 Hello, and welcome to Wikimaniya 2022, the festival of addition. Preview to see Evitaya Vasna festival in Wikimaniya 2022. My name is Anton, I am from Ukraine, and I am part of the core organizing team for Wikimaniya 2022. Thanks to everyone for joining this event, and of course huge thanks to the volunteers of the core organizing team, folks from the Wikimedia Foundation, and everyone else who have made this event possible. Wikimaniya has been taking place for almost every year since 2005, and this year it is a festival. What does it mean? It means that Wikimaniya 2022 will be most of all fun and vibrant. It is also regional in nature, it has a goal to shine a light on different communities from across our global movement. And Wikimaniya 2022 welcomes newcomers, it welcomes people who have never attended Wikimaniya before, people who are new to our movement. This year we have an original approach to scheduling, so Wikimaniya will last four days since today until Sunday, and each day schedule is optimized for a different region of the globe. So the first day is optimized for Asia and Oceania, the second day is for the Americas, the third day is for Europe, Africa and the Middle East, and finally the fourth and final day will be global. You can find the full schedule on Wikimaniya Wiki, and it is also available in FeedWalk, which is the workshop platform where Wikimaniya is taking place primarily. Really happy to see all of you here, and enjoy Wikimaniya 2022. Welcome to Wikimaniya, and welcome to the Wikimaniya Festival. Hello, I'm Nanor from the Arabic community, and I'm part of 2022 COT. The festival edition of Wikimaniya increases the number of languages supported from 7 in 2021 to 13 this year, and our original approach boosts life interpretation too. So in addition to the UN six languages, Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian and Spanish offered all days. We have Hindi, Indonesian, Japanese for day one, Brazilian Portuguese for day two, and Swahili, Turkish and Ukrainian for day three. So on the last day, the global day, we will have all the 13 languages I mentioned will be available through life interpretation. So welcome to Wikimaniya 2022. Greetings from Germany. I'm Venus, originally from Hong Kong, and I'm part of the Wikimaniya 2022 COT organizing team. I would like to introduce the Arts, Culture and Entertainment session to all of you. This session is regionally curated and is made especially by and for our communities. The Arts, Culture and Entertainment program is to highlight the diversity of cultures we have within our global movements. We will enjoy some content from a different region every day. This song, poetry, safari tours, coppulons and other exciting weeks. We can't wait to see you there. Let's enjoy the Arts, Culture and Entertainment session together and embrace the diversity in our global movements. Hope you all will enjoy Wikimaniya 2022. Welcome to Wikimaniya 2022. Welcome to Wikimaniya 2022 edition festival. Greetings to the Wikimaniya volunteers all over the world. I am from Semide in Turkey. I am from Tunisia, and I am a member of the Wikimaniya COT with a special interest in programming and capacity building. The most important aim of this edition is to emphasize what everyone has done and literally everyone has done for the benefit of the Wikimaniya movement for years. Effectively, many communities from all the continents have contributed to transform the Wikimaniya project into a better space of collaboration and social good. We believe that this is worth celebrating and that's why we adopted a hybrid combined online conferencing with in-person events covering 63 locations in 39 countries. To allow people to discover communities from every continent, we incorporated several sessions from the in-person events into our programs through live streams. Every day, a different community will be featured through a different event showing us what is happening on the ground, the so-called local event integrations. We look forward to having you as attendees of such spaces and to learn more about the customs of Wikimaniya people from different cultures and civilizations. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening from wherever you're joining us from for the first ever edition of Wikimaniya. Sandra Acheng is my name from Uganda and I'm part of the CoA Organizing Team for Wikimaniya 2022. This year, there are very many fun and exciting Wikimaniya sessions happening throughout the four days. But I would like to specifically highlight sessions on the last day. That is day four, which is happening on Sunday, August 14th, starting at 8 a.m. UTC. Some of the sessions include the future of Wikimaniya, where we'll have lively discussions, plus the award show of Wikimaniya of the year. You don't have to think of missing out on these amazing sessions, which I must attend. But also, there are exciting announcements of Wikimaniya 2023, and you will not want to miss out on where Wikimaniya will be held next year. See you all on day four and happy Wikimaniya. Hello everyone from wherever you're joining from. My name is Antonium Tavango. I'm attending Wikimaniya 2022, the first ever edition from Tanzania, East Africa. And I'm part of Wikimaniya 2022 CoA Organizing Team. Wikimaniya 2022 is quite unique, since after all it takes for all of us to contribute to the ecosystem of free knowledge, it's a year that we come together to celebrate all roles played by each of us to make access to free knowledge possible. Interestingly, we are particularly excited and happy to have newcomers to join this conference because no prior experience is needed. Come, invite your friend, have fun and enjoy Wikimaniya 2022. To make that possible, there will be many chances for networking. There is networking room on Fidlo, and also there are Telegram groups where you can connect with the participants with other experienced editors with other experienced occupants and so on. So, in this way, we say, Karibusana, you are warmly welcome to Wikimaniya 2022. Good morning from the beautiful city of Lagos. My name is Karibusana, and I'm a member of the Wikimaniya 2022 CoA Organizing Team. During Wikimaniya 2022, we will have support for all attendees. If you need any help throughout the days of this event, you can join the appdex on Telegram. To join the appdex, you simply look on the Fidlo page. Just on the left-hand corner, you'll see Help. If you click on that, it takes you straight to the helpdex, to the Telegram page. We have Wikimaniya volunteers and staff members who are going to be there waiting to help you. Last year, we had a whole lot of newcomers. This year will be the same. So, we have a newcomer appdex in the networking space. This is a place where newcomers can come, ask questions to more experienced occupants, and, more importantly, connect with people. We look forward to an exciting Wikimaniya 2022. See you there. Thank you. Hola, buenas noches, buenos dias, o buenos paros, dependiendo de donde ir con nos vean. Bienvenidos y bienvenidos a la Wikimaniya 2022 Televisión Festival. My name is Omar Abib Sandoval Sida. My username in Wikimaniya is Omar Samsi. I am from Mexico, also a member of CLT. I'm a computer science engineer. I've been organizing free software events for 12 years. I'm a board member of Wikimaniya Mexico, and I was the co-organizer of Wikimaniya in 2015, and we've confirmed North America Science 2020. In recent years, there have been a series of events, and in this event we have the virtual context, but we have as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic, which has led to be resilient. One would think that is easier for the tools we have allowed us to overcarry this period, but it's necessary to have better tools, so within the program of Wikimaniya 2022. We consider having an important space for hackathon. This year, I'm proud to present the Wikimaniya 2022 hackathon, previously, and as a part of Wikimaniya 2015 organizing team. I was also part of the inaugural Wikimaniya 2015 hackathon in Mexico City. This year, it will take place on August 12th and 13th, and it's open to everyone to work together on technical projects, learn new skills, and meet other technical contributors. Check out the hackathon page on the Wikimaniya Wiki for more interesting information. Hola a todos y todas, bienvenidos y bienvenidas a la edición 2022 de Wikimaniya a la edición festival. Hello everyone, my name is Evelyn, and I'm part of the COT of this year's Wikimaniya. And I'm here to speak to you about some trust and safety issues. So please remember that the friendly space policy is being applied throughout the event, and there are trust and safety volunteers throughout the event that can help you with any trust and safety issues that you might experience with the event. So remember that if you see anything, say something. If you see any type of harassment happening in any of the platforms or in the telegram channel, or whatever space related to the event, please reach out to a trust and safety volunteer. You can identify the trust and safety volunteers because they have the safety tag next to their name. And so if you see anything, please, please reach out to any of the trust and safety volunteers. Or in the telegram channels, you can also reach out to them and explain any issue that might be happening to you. So remember, if you see something, please say something. Other than that, try to have a good event as possible and please enjoy yourselves and have a lot of fun. We have a great Wikimaniya waiting for you, so please, please have fun and be nice to each other. Bye. Hello. Are we all set? Yeah, Ufemia, we are live. Probably you can already go ahead. Hi and welcome to today's section on showcasing youth diversity and inclusion through storytelling in the Wikimedia movement. My name is Ufemia Owando, one of the 14 members of the Wikivibrant Project. And with me here today are some of the members of the 14 members and the personnel, Douglas, James, and Frances, who will also be speaking during this section. We also have an amazing group of speakers, young speakers from different parts of the world, who will be joining us today to join us today as well on this section. We'll talk about what we are doing in the community and that of the other young people, how they are building communities in different parts of the world contributing to the Wikimedia project. Beyond this, we are also going to be looking at our new look today. We'll be unveiling our logo today with the rest of the audience. And at this point, I would like to pass the mic to Frances, who will be jumping in to tell us a little bit about the Wikivibrant Project and her work in some regions. Thanks, Ufemia, for this kind introduction. I will start with a little of a personal story. I was one day, one year ago, I was in my town, like, you know, it was holidays. And that girl here, Ufemia, she had an idea. Her idea was to celebrate the International Jout Day in the Wikimedia movement. I mean, it wasn't an idea that started in August that year, but it was August that year when we started. We tried to, well, she asked me some collaboration in this project and I was very kind to participate, just as my partners here in the core team. And we started with that adventure, which was to make an event and a campaign to celebrate the International Jout Day. The celebration of the International Jout Day, I have here some notes. We held it the 12th and the 13th of August. It was online via Zoom, of course. And we have 71 registered participants, which is, which are very good numbers for being the first time that, and even if it's agraristic, it was made in our movement. And everyone edited an article on agriculture, food, water, plus climate change. Those were the topics that were related to the International Jout Day in 2021. And of course, we must add that we had some logistic help with using Zoom and, you know, with the event coming from Wikimedia Austria, Wikimedia Austria, which, well, we are very grateful for everything that they did that very first year. As we can see in this slide, so far we've celebrated the local events. The first one was the African Jouth Month, which was celebrated between the 5th of November and the 14th of December. That event, it worked as just as everything in the Wikivibrand works. I mean, there are some local events, there are some formation from experimental Wikimedians to people who are coming to our community. And the African Jouth Month last year was centered on the four EAS, Education, Employment, Entrepreneurship and Engagement. We had six countries participating, Rwanda, Uganda, Tanzania, Nigeria, Kenya and Ghana. And well, it was the first step that we as Wikivibrans team made and it was a success. The last event so far that we have celebrated was the European Jouth Day. We celebrated the 2nd of April. We celebrated in Valencia in partnership with the IBAC, the Valencian Institute of the Jouth. And in this case, we had a format. It was going to be an important event. Unfortunately, the war in Ukraine made that we had to make some changes and switch into virtuality. And it was more focused in a conference format focused on education. We had experiences from five different countries and we can say that it was also a success for both the committees participating and the organizers, the institutional organizers that we have. So basically so far, this is everything that we have done with the International Jouth Day. And of course, there are too many things that we still have to do and that we hope that all our local organizers that we have and all the wonderful local organizers and communities participating and I'm sure that will join us after knowing of this project. We hope that we can do many great things in the future. Recording in progress. Now we should give our voice to Euphemia and Douglas who will talk us about international events that are already being prepared. Thank you, Francis, for passing the mic back to me. And I'm going to talk briefly about the International Jouth Day in 2021, just like Francis previously mentioned, where we had about seven something people who were trying to learn different parts of the world from Africa, from Europe, from the US and from Asia. And because we were starting out as a first time, we are focused on trying to understand some of the challenges that young media face in the Wikimedia movement and how they can be better supported in doing the work they do. So we had some panel discussions with some young people in the movement who have notable achievements having these discussions and it was really fruitful and also understanding that the project was something that young people were very excited to have. And this year we are even doing it bigger and better, but Douglas here is going to step in to tell us how we are doing it this year. Over to you, Douglas. Okay, thanks so much Euphemia and thanks Francis. And all viewers out there, thank you for joining this session. I'll first start with a brief story as well, just like Francis. So Wikivibrance, just like Francis mentioned last year is when I came across Wikivibrance, it was actually via the African Telegram mailing list where Euphemia had posted about events happening for the International Youth Day and I really saw a vision for Wikivibrance because it was something that was quite unique that didn't happen or that was not happening within the movement. And then if it was happening, we didn't actually know details about that within the Wikimedia movement. So that's when my journey started and I'm quite new to the core team for Wikivibrance. I just joined in May this year officially, but we have held activities since 2021. And for this year, 2022, the International Youth Day is being celebrated under the theme of creating a world for all ages. It was officially commemorated yesterday on 12th August and it really is something that links to what we do as Wikimedians and what we want to do in the future. Because young people are the driving force for change and we really need to celebrate them on such events and also celebrate their achievements. So this year we've had a drive for Wikimedians to celebrate their own local events with the support of the Wikimedia Foundation. Some of the communities that have participated have applied for support from the foundation of the community resources team. And like we have a meta page that will share probably in the etherpad. But yeah, there are very many communities that are doing activities in regards to youths this year. And I'll write ahead. I'll showcase some of them that are going to share with us what young people are doing within their communities. So we cannot disintegrate the community because we are one people with a common vision. And by that, I mean like connecting this to the theme, we are creating a world for all ages. Be it young people, be it those that are beyond their youths. We cannot disintegrate the community, but we can collaborate and work together. And that is also one of the reasons why we are coupling young people and also experienced Wikimedians to support activities and initiatives of youths. Because if you look at the landscape of the movement, you realize that there's a mixture of young people, people who are in their young ages, those who are in the middle ages and those who are at the peak of their youths. Even when you look at most affiliates, like 50% are composed of youths. Like already from the example of the COA team for Wikivibrants, we have a mixture of people who are in their early stages of youths and people who are in their late stages of youths. So we can only work together and we can't disintegrate the community because we are one people. And then lastly, usually there's a traditional connection to youths to the sustainable development goals, which is fine. But also what we'd like to do as Wikimedians is connect the activities of the young people to the future of Wikimedia. And most of us might be aware about Wikimedia 2030. And if you look at the vision that we have as Wikimedians by 2030, there will be definitely a large number of youths within the movement. And also by 2030, the basis for the future that we want to create would have been created by the current youths that we have today. So that is the reason as to why we are celebrating the International Youth Day and looking at intergenerational solidarity. So youths today will be adults in the future and we can only collaborate and work together. In the next slide, I would like to introduce some of the members that have been spotlighted to share with us the work that they are doing within their communities. Yes, so next slide when you see your name, I'll invite Romeo. Romeo, if you're there, please go ahead and share with us the work that is being done within your community. Thank you so much. Alright, thank you so much. I'm super excited. I don't know, can you get me? Alright, amazing. So thank you so much. I am from the South Sudan, the Wikimedia user group community here in South Sudan. And on this day, we're super excited that actually we are being part of this amazing Wikibibrance program, which is going to be able to showcase what the youth independently are able to do as far as it comes into what the youth are doing in solving local community problems or even community issues and how they're using Wikimedia as a whole to be able to cover up issues concerning like the content gap and issues concerning a lot of stuff. I come from a country that has had a very serious history of war and a history of instability and hence giving us a very large gap of a lot of things in terms of its own infrastructure, even data itself, even content online. When you come inside stuff about South Sudan, really there is little about it. But this kind of a spotlight where we bring in youths to come together and I'm excited right now as a Yambra, I would really love to show you the number of youth that are right now in the room watching this and ready to be part of this amazing movement to just write and fill in the content gap that is missing about South Sudan. So, super excited, man. I don't know that we could even have such kind of energy from a history whereby we have been within war right now. We have an economic crisis and all that, but we have a lot of youth that are ready to create impactful change by doing this. So, tell me to just train people and right now we have people sitting here wanting to know more about what is Wikimedia? What is Wikimedia? How can we contribute? How can we do that? So, super excited for the support from the Wikimedia Foundation as well and every other partner who is there to support us. Together with my colleagues Douglas and the others. Thank you so much. I guess who wants to hear what to say a lot, but we're excited to be part of the team and yeah. Yeah, anyway, thank you. Alright, that's great to hear. So that is actually the essence of Wikimedia, like bringing on board new and underrepresented communities and good enough like youths. I'm very excited. Thanks. Thank you for the story, Romeo. So Terry, go ahead. You can use maybe try to use like around two or three minutes and then when you're done, the next person will be able to present over to you Terry. Hello everyone. My name is Teresia Bokeh. I am from the Wikimedia community as a group in Kenya. And this is my second Wikimedia to attend Wikimedia to attend. And it's been so exciting for me for the last two years when I joined the Wikimedia community as a group in Kenya. Previously, I really never used to interact so much with Wikipedia. Until recently. I can hear some echo. I don't know if my sound is okay. Now it's working. Please go ahead. Thank you. So what I'm doing in the Wikimedia community as a group in Kenya is that I am a Wikipedian, first of all, and then also in the social media space. I am the one who is curating content for our Twitter page and also managing the page. And through the collaboration of, you know, my community members, we are trying to do different activities in the Wikispace. For instance, my community has tapped into the creativity of young people in Kenya to mobilize for change in shrinking the gender gaps in Wikipedia. And in the spirit of leaving no one behind, I mean, getting everyone on board, we are trying to put more focus in growing Swahili Wikipedia in Kenya. And in January, actually, we had a capacity building session down in Kilifi at the cost where we trained guys on how to edit in Swahili. And also we are trying to enhance digital literacy skills through the Wikipedia editing trainings. For instance, in April, we had sessions with about 100 young girls who are techies with an organization called Akira Chicks that is leading in female tech talent in Africa. And we empowered them on how to, you know, not just consume Wikipedia content, but also to create and contribute towards growing this movement. We have taken part also in photo works, for instance, Wikiland monuments. We've done workshops in person and virtually. And this year, big for us was the Wiki for Human Rights workshop, which we launched. And we had a great stand up of young people who are very charged and geared towards creating a society in which every person's rights are respected and upheld. And that was very big for us. And then we have had community meetups for capacity building, both in person and virtual as well. And key also to mention is that we have been taking part in the months of African cinema through the editor points, which majority of us from the user group have been part of. And Wikiland Africa because Africa is our, you know, is our motherland Africa is home so we can't we can't fail to take part in that. And one live one ref and we have been part of that Wikiland women through the she said campaign women are very, very integral in in our community. And so we are keen on building that and the Wikimania conference this is the second one for majority of us from the user group and we are so excited. Despite the challenges that some of us have been experiencing for the last two days. You know, we are finding solutions for that and most of us are actually watching on YouTube. And we also participated in wiki in the bar and the movement strategy. And for me to join wiki media movement, it was because somebody inspired me, I mean somebody was there to make me like think and be part wants to be part of this community. My son is none other than our team lead in the Kenya user group Miss Winnie Habiti, who is actually the female co founder and female lead for the wiki media community user group in Kenya. And she is under 35. And at this point is where you allow me to actually celebrate her again and congratulate her for, you know, the recent appointment into the wiki media into the wiki media foundation as a senior global movement communication specialist in Africa we knew we are so proud of you as a user group. And thank you for always inspiring us each and every day and pushing us to dream bigger to go out there and volunteer and be change makers in our community in our different ways. Also, I cannot end this without realizing or rather recognizing the efforts of Carol Maura, who is also a part of the community user group in Kenya. And Carol, together with Winnie, really came in at a time when the wiki media community user group in Kenya was, I think it was dead, I will say. But through their magic through their collaboration, they have brought us together. And nowadays, you know, our community is vibrant our community is more involved and engaged in activities in the wiki media movement. So thank you, Carol and Winnie. Please keep on inspiring us, keep on motivating us through different incentives that you know you keep pushing our way. For example, today you can see I'm wearing my wiki mania hoodie. It's called in Nairobi. Yeah. And I know most of us in the user group here are wearing our hoodies and we are warm. Thank you to wiki media. Thank you so much. And just to close, I would like to say that our user group has tapped into the creativity and innovation of young people in Kenya, you know, to mobilize and shrink again the content gaps in Wikipedia. To speak, 85% of our user group members are young people under 35. So congratulations young people, you're doing a great, great change to this society. We are proud of empowering you in Kenya to be champions of free knowledge. And I do believe that it's very crucial that young Africans take the prominent role in pushing for knowledge equity and contributing towards the sustainable development goals. So thank you everyone. May you keep contributing through different skills at your capacity. You don't have to just be an editor. You can be a photographer. You can be a graphic designer. You can be a videographer. You can be, you know, an event organizer. So keep going. Thank you guys. Thank you so much, Terry. That's really inspiring. And I know there are very many, a lot of great, great minds, great truths in Kenya. Faith Moanyolo, one of them as well. So and a lot of other youths that are doing great work. So thank you so much. Valentin, I'm not sure if you have Valentin, but maybe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, very good. Very good vibes. Sign around here. Yeah, I'm great to be speaking here. So yeah, hi, I'm Raina Voj in Viki Projects. Yeah, and mainly editing Ukrainian projects. Also, I'm globally, globally involved in some cross-viki petroleum and so on. And I'm a member of Viki Media Ukraine and Viki Media Poland. And so, yeah, great, great to be here. Yeah, generally this is an interesting initiative, yeah, because I personally think that young editors and young members of our communities are really, once being a very, very young editor is quite, I'd say, a step forward for community being relying on young editors. And yeah, generally it's good to highlight some action that is being done, that are being done in Ukraine and in Poland to that regards. Yeah, for example, we have a lot of, for me, yes, like once being as a young, very young editor, it's nice to know that there could be real support from community. But on the other hand, it's really good to understand that at least what we need to do to have inflow of young editors. So it's not to demotivate them from, I know this, this is very rare actions, but sometimes they happen and yeah, we need to look maybe a little bit closer into that and to try to like, eliminate even the most this rare examples of such because yeah, many prominent members of communities are real of young age. For in Ukrainian community, I can highlight the recently very active user that is Vitaly 1500, that is being crashing, that has been crashing their good articles project, he's very, very good editor of very young age. In Polish community, we have, for example, user Jamnik Starnovo, that is being very at young age, he's all of the administrator and leading member of community that is dealing with organizing of all editors of all contests and yeah, it's really inspiring to see such examples. And know that regional chapters of Wikimedia Foundation can really promote and inspire such young editors to know that yeah, we have a good movement and good experience ahead of us. Because although young editors may seem not experienced enough, not having enough just life experience, we have multiple examples when, for example, all technical stuff in communities, all technical stuff on projects were done by very editors of very young age. And yeah, really that is very nice to see when young editors are being leaders of a community. I think generally I'm done. Thanks everyone for nice comments. And generally thanks for such a session. Wonderful, thanks Valentin. I think we'll continue with the flow since we are almost left with less than 20 minutes to wrap up, so Nader, please take it away. Hello everyone, my name is Nader Farra, I'm a doctor from Palestine, I'm a member of the Wikimedia 11 user group and we work heritage. Well, I started my Wikimedia journey back in 2018, I had some interruptions in this journey, but the only constant thing was that I want to continue, I want to improve as a Wikimedia and I want to spend more time to spread and share this improvement. I was just an editor when I started this year and now I am on the leadership development working group where I get to participate in the actual implication of the sex recommendation of the movement strategy that endorses investing in skills and leadership development. I have invested in my skills and other colleagues, other Wikimedia and colleagues' skills by coordinating multiple workshops to document Levantine authors works and featured lists on Arabic Wikipedia. Each list has exceeded 80 published books and articles. I have also guided members to translate pictures and photos and uploading them to Wikimedia Commons. I have co-organized interweek women collaboration in 2020 workshop with my Wikimedia friend Anur. We actually co-organized a lot of workshops together that was directed to newcomers and build capacity and fill gap in Wikipedia content about women. What I most admire about my journey is that it made my free time eventful. It expanded my comfort zone and helped me encounter young promising people in each edit I made and made me want to contribute more and have more people from my community in the movement as it's a place for everyone. So that's basically my journey and I hope everyone have an eventful journey in their Wikimedia journey and in this Wikimedia and have the inspiration to follow their own path and as I said it's a place for everyone and everyone should give it a shot. Thanks. Wonderful work Neda and it's great that you mentioned being part of the leadership development working group. So already enough action like for youths being involved in women's strategy implementation. So let's hear from Proteh on what is being done. Proteh over to you. Thank you. My name is Poyezu Proteh, Wikimedia from Rwanda and a member of Wikimedia community of Rwanda. I'm happy to speak with you, everyone. I'm also the local organizer of the Wikivibrain this year. So I remember when I was training Wikimedia, it is my friend who taught me about my friend also who is young, who is a youth like me, who taught me about the Wikimedia and his target, then I get interested. When I was joining in my community there were a majority of youth in the Rwanda. In the community there was a majority of young people, which I can address as my main motivation which made me more curious about knowing that learning strategies of movement. Because most of participants were young, I also aimed to contribute high then so I can be more useful in that community of my age group. So I have started like in July 2020, it's like two years ago, then I started by editing, by contributing in some of the context of time. After I get to maximise my knowledge on editing hints and started training others as also mentoring other young people, this leads me to contributing and attending more international context where I joined Wikivibrain last year in August I think. Wikivibrain was the African context which was aiming for the youth people to learn about the culture, then I participated in that opportunity, then I managed to be the winner, the top contributor. I remember it become the second. So after winning that drive, my community also recognised me to be in the main group of Wikivibrain which was taken place in the February. Which also that opportunity gave me another chance to join the Afrosinema which was the continental context which aimed to cover the knowledge gap about African cinema where I also managed to be in a top contributor. I remember he started the crisis. Also I become the motivation and the motivator to those other young people in my community where they have a lot, I can teach them, where I have a lot they can learn from me and also still running and aiming to be more and active. So in my community young people praise many parts in every angle, whether in volunteer retention, in participating like in YouTube projects and also I remember like last few months we hosted the movement strategy it was a research but also the young volunteers that worked in that project and we have been doing that for like two years ago. So in sharing ideas with other volunteers they have increased the disability of our media in Africa, our community in Africa that we have set some strategies and also aimed to shape the future of our community. So this leads to our community Rwanda is organized as the official media group in Rwanda and we are happy to achieve that. So that's why I can say the youth volunteers are the more active and are the more important in our community. That's why we aim to spread them a lot and I am sure the Vibrance project is what they really do. So thank you very much. I'm happy to share you my story. Wonderful. Thanks so much for today and like good to see the budding community in Rwanda. You mentioned something interesting on when you started activities 2020 that was during the COVID-19 lockdown and very many youths had out of time on their plates. So I think we saw a lot of increased contributions. We are like behind schedule behind time but then we have two more slides and probably Rafi could use his time like three minutes we can probably borrow more time from the Q&A sessions and then we can maybe play one video. So after Rafi will play one video I request the technical team to take note of that. So after Rafi we can play maybe one video then go to that Q&A session. Thank you so much. Over to you Rafi. Rafi are you with us? Are you there? Okay. So probably we can have one video played over to you technical team. Thank you. You can be part of this growing movement. Thank you Vicky for your project. Yeah okay so we I think we only I only had the last part of the video there was some interference but no worries like we'll share this we'll upload this to the Meta page and we'll probably link it in the ether part. So sorry about that in case you didn't hear the video very well but I would like to now hand over to Francesc to take over the Q&A and then Ophemia will wrap up. Thank you so much. Over to you Francesc. Thanks Douglas. Well we are a little bit short on time but I know that there are some questions in the chat. So if anyone wants to make those questions let's say by voice now is the moment so please make a comment in the chat and we can invite you to make your questions. Yes Caroline do you want to do you want to make your question publicly or should I? Sure hi can you hear me? Yes we can. I just wanted to ask two questions one what are the challenges like the user groups are facing around all those who have presented then again what how are they keeping the young people to continue being on Wikipedia. You know sometimes we face the issue of people will come one day do something then they leave how do you keep them going in the in the community. Thank you. Thanks to you for your question. I believe that it will be better if our local organizers so perhaps somebody else can answer your question. Just to give some time to somebody to step in I will share my thoughts. When it comes to the challenges for the communities I believe that I mean one challenge there are several challenges one is you know very related to leadership development of capacity building etc. And in order to you know to mind a little bit on the gap we must say that there are there are I mean this year we have already put that in practice we have implemented some grants for local organizers so we can help them to you know to to prepare things with time and without worrying or not etc. That's not one hand. And the other hand when it comes to engaging young Wikimedians. Well, as we say here in Valencia, every person is a world. So, I mean, this is something that can change a lot from a person to another. I can say that, you know, especially that there are one specific kind of Wikimedians which are the natural born Wikimedians according to a to research that was done by the foundation a couple years ago. And let's say that the people who are born Wikimedians that people who are very, very passionate on free knowledge etc. We, because this is an event of the movement, we are a very specific breed of person of people. And, and I believe that that's difficult because sometimes it's very difficult to find a specific person, the appropriate person to to be into Wikipedia and to to enjoy this passionate platform. But as I said at the very beginning, I believe that to give a more specific and non philosophical answer I believe it's better to bring it to anybody else. So I don't know if you can add something as she was the person who started with all this initiative if she can, if she can provide a more specific answer. Thank you, Francis. Just to add to what Francis said, and about the questions around what our plans are, our thoughts and getting younger editors to join the movement. So one of the things that was really worrisome to us when we started was acknowledging that there are some Wikimedia communities that you know have any young person in it at all at the moment. For example, from Francis community is about the only person in his community and that is not good for us. That is not good for movement sustainability. So one of the things we did this year was to launch that European youth in this region working with youth institutions with the reading Wikipedia in the classroom program that attracted a lot of young people during the program. Because of short of time, I think I will have to end it there, but know that there are still plans or we are happy to unveil that will definitely have more young people in the movement. Thank you. Thank you Fimi for your answer. Well, we've reached almost the end of our time. So I will invite you again so you can say your final statements and to close this session for everyone. Okay, thank you Francesca again and thank you everyone for joining. I just want to speak about our new look today, which is our new logo that was designed by an international artist by name Jordan Becka as well. We speak so much to our youthfulness, our stamina and our faith and then also coming that this thing is happening in a community that is full of love us. This is the new logo haven't felt today and we'll be working with. Thank you everyone who have joined the section to listen to the work of young people. Thank you to our amazing speakers. Thank you to the core team members. You guys are the best the technical team. Thank you for your great work and enjoy the rest of your day. Thank you. Thank you everyone. Bye bye. Bye bye. Recording stopped. Thank you to our amazing speakers. Thank you to the core team members. Nigerian Jalov. I love Nigerian Jalov. Ah, Nigerian Jalov. Ah, no, no, no, no, no. It's not comparable with any dish. Nigeria is a country blessed with diverse cultures, traditions, people and history. One of the most important factors that make Nigeria unique is the diversity in culture, especially cuisines. One of the most important cuisines Nigeria has given to the world is Nigerian Jalov. Hello everyone. My name is Ayodele. People call me Chef Ayodele. And together today we are cooking Nigerian Jalov rice. Nigerian Jalov rice is very tasty and popular and it is a classic cuisine. It is enjoyed by all Nigerians. And now, these are the ingredients we are using to prepare Nigerian Jalov rice. This is my rice. Tomato paste, full seasoning, pepper. This is my onion. Garlic and ginger, vegetable oil and salt to taste. Alright, we first boil our rice, then we slice our onions. Well, I love to cook Nigerian Jalov rice because it's so tasty and nutritious. It's enjoyed by everybody and it is very popular. Now, the rice is perfect. Now, we pour our vegetable oil. We wait for the vegetable oil to eat before we pour our onions. We add our tomato paste. The next thing is to add our blended pepper. And this is thyme. This is full seasoning. This is salt to taste. And now we add our chicken broth. Now, we want to add our boiled rice. I love Nigerian Jalov because first of all, the taste, the aroma, the smell, even the kitchen process. You'll be salivating and you'll be expectant. And serving Nigerian Jalov, it's in Nigerian Jalov. The experience, you know, you can't compare it with white rice or older rice. And the nutritional value that is attached to Nigerian Jalov is different from other Jalov. We have some other country Jalov. When Nigerian Jalov, you still cannot compare it with any other dish. It's different. I love Nigerian Jalov rice because it's very tasty and delicious. Nigerian Jalov rice is a very common dish in Nigeria. Nigeria is blessed with multiple taste dishes. But Nigerian Jalov rice is one dish that unites Nigerians from the east, to the south, to the north, to every other part of Nigeria. You know, there's this special thing about Nigerian Jalov rice. You know, in any occasion or festive season that you don't see Nigerian Jalov, you should know there's a problem. Because it's something that you must find in any pattern. You always see it. You always see them serving it. Even if you go to a party that they will ask you for, the first dish that will be mentioned to you is Nigerian Jalov rice. We have Nigerian Jalov rice. That's the first thing they will mention, they'll put to you before they even bring any other dish along. I remember then growing up and the only time we usually eat Nigerian Jalov is, you know, maybe Christmas or New Year or if there's any festive. But now, you know, the narrative has changed, but now we can't eat Nigerian Jalov anytime anyway. But because of this uniqueness of this dish, you know, it gives us that speciality, set apart from every other dish. What I can say now is Nigerian Jalov is my favourite food. Hmm, this food is wow. It's really good. I love Nigerian Jalov. I love to eat it with salad, muay muay or chicken. Nigerian Jalov. I love Nigerian Jalov. Ah, Nigerian Jalov. Oh, no, no, no, no. It's non-comparable with any dish. Nigeria is a country blessed with diverse cultures, traditions, people and history. One of the most important factors that make Nigeria unique is the diversity in culture, especially kuisines. One of the most important kuisines Nigeria has given to the world is Nigerian Jalov. Hello, everyone. My name is Ayodele. People call me Chef Ayodele. And together today we are cooking Nigerian Jalov rice. Nigerian Jalov rice is very tasty and popular and it is a classic cuisine. It is enjoyed by all Nigerians. And now, these are the ingredients we are using to prepare Nigerian Jalov rice. This is my rice, tomato paste, full seasoning, pepper. This is my onion, garlic and ginger, vegetable oil and salt to taste. Alright, we first boil our rice, then we slice our onions. Well, I love to cook Nigerian Jalov rice because it's so tasty and nutritious. It's enjoyed by everybody and it is very popular. Now, the rice is perfectly boiled. Now, we pour our vegetable oil. Wait for the vegetable oil to eat before we pour our onions. We add our tomato paste. The next thing is to add our blended pepper. And this is thyme, this is full seasoning, this is salt to taste. And now, we add our chicken broth. Now, we want to add our boiled rice. I love Nigerian Jalov because first of all, the taste, the aroma, the smell, even the kitchen process. You'll be salivating and you'll be expectant and serving Nigerian Jalov. It's a Nigerian Jalov. The experience, you know, you can't compare it with white rice or other rice. And the nutritional value that is attached to Nigerian Jalov is different from other Jalov. You have some other country Jalov. When Nigerian Jalov, you still cannot compare it with any other dish. It's different. I love Nigerian Jalov rice because it's very tasty and delicious. Nigerian Jalov rice is a very common dish in Nigeria. Nigeria is blessed with multiple tasted dishes but Nigerian Jalov rice is one dish that unites Nigerians from the east, to the south, to the north, to every other part of Nigeria. It's this special thing about Nigerian Jalov rice. In any occasion or festive season that you don't see Nigerian Jalov, you should know there's a problem. Because it's something that you must find in any pattern. You always see it. You always see them serving it. Even if you go to a party and they will ask you for the first dish that will be mentioned to you is a Nigerian Jalov rice. We have Nigerian Jalov rice. That's the first thing they will mention, they'll put to you before they even bring any other dish along. I remember then growing up and the only time we usually eat Nigerian Jalov is, you know, maybe Christmas or New Year or if there's any festive. But now, you know, the narrative has changed but now we can't, Nigerian Jalov anytime anyway. But because of this uniqueness of this dish, you know, it gives us that speciality set apart from every other dish. What I can say now is Nigerian Jalov is my favourite food. Hmm, this food is wow. It's really good. I love Nigerian Jalov. I love to eat it with salad, muay muay or chicken. Wikimania Conference. And first of all, I would like to thank everybody who was involved in organising this year's conference and the challenges of all the online organisation of the different aspects of this annual meeting. So, we are from Wikimedia Heritage Group and today we will share our story in building partnerships with different heritage views in different countries. So, greetings from India and Morocco. I am Naseema Shalboun. I am an architect and Wikimedean from Morocco and I am the chair co-founder of Wikimedia Heritage. Hello everyone. I am Khushi Shah. I am a conservation engineer by profession and I recently joined Wikivolt Heritage as the Wikivolt Heritage coordinator. So, first of all, let us introduce Wikivolt Heritage User Group. We are a thematic user group of the Wikimedia Foundation that was recognised in October 2020. Our aim is especially in countries with no Wikimedia affiliates. And how we are doing it is proceeding through a key strategy which is building partnerships with heritage NGOs in these countries. So, how do we work in order to build these partnerships and implement our activities in countries without affiliates? First of all, we start by organising thematic projects. Among our projects, there is a whole city for cities listed as word heritage. We have wind danger that tends to document word heritage sites listed by UNESCO on the danger zone for incendiable word heritage, etc. And these projects have several relevant countries at once. Therefore, we identify the target countries of our projects. And in countries without Wikimedia communities or without Wikimedia affiliates, we identify heritage NGOs. And of course we get in contact with these NGOs in order to present the project, present what the movement is, and try to discuss the different details of these projects in order to adapt it to the local context. So, once the collaboration is agreed with the heritage NGO, we try to work through building capacity in the country in order to enable the local population to document its own heritage and to lead the activities themselves in their country. So, along with the local NGO, we identify volunteer organisers of our activities. And we conduct extensive training of trainers for these volunteers. For example, last year, we conducted Wikimedia training of trainers in Yemen and Libya. And this year, we are conducting trainings in Ethiopia, Senegal and Guatemala. Either it is in person or online. And the event is led by these volunteers and not by the members of the keyword heritage. And also, we organise the photography campaigns and sometimes Wikidata editings through the same process. We always try to build capacity for local volunteers in order to enable them to lead the activities themselves and to document their heritage by their own. So, after the completion of the project and after the conducting of different training of trainers and the organisation of the different editings and campaigns, we try to sustain this collaboration through proposing further collaborations with the NGO and also with the interested volunteers. We can propose other activities, follow-up editings or complete new projects. And here, I'm going to give some overview of the heritage we are working on and to speak more about some positive stories and some challenge stories. So, we are currently working with NGOs from Ethiopia, Guatemala and Senegal. And actually, the most successful partnership was with CNP for Culture and Heritage NGO in Libya where we started last year a project-based collaboration in order to document the heritage sites in Libya that are listed by UNESCO as endangered. So, we conducted training of trainers about Wikipedia and we also organised a photography campaign. And through building capacity for the members of the NGO and also for volunteer organisers, we tried to build also community. So, all the participants discovered what the Wikimedia movement is and were interested in the different options and possibilities offered by the movement. So, they were very interested in continuing this collaboration and continuing their participation in the movement. So, after this Wikipedia training, we conducted a Wikidata training that was not initially part of the project. So, some of the members of the NGO learned how to use Wikidata and they are actually involving Wikidata in one of their projects about heritage sites and climate change in Libya. For the challenge story, I'm going to speak about our partnership with Harmony Development Foundation in Yemen. We started also with Windanger projects in order to document the word heritage sites in danger in the country and the completion of our activities including the training of trainers was very challenging due to connection issues in the country. The internet situation was very bad and also due to the political situation and this resulted in a loss of motivation of the volunteers. So, they couldn't continue contributing to the different Wikidata projects after the completion of Windanger. So, what we learned from this experience? First of all, we should try to find partners with a similar vision. There are many heritage NGOs that are interested in different parts of heritage preservation but it was important to find NGOs that are interested in heritage documentation so they can be motivated. Then we use relevant examples to introduce the wiki movement to them. For example, through trying to shed lights on how wiki data or other projects can improve their ongoing projects. For example, how they can use wiki data for interactive mapping of their heritage sites. And of course, we think about incentives like certificates, prizes and acknowledgement through publishing articles on our website about these activities. And then in person meetings are very important in order to create some friendly relationship with people and increase their interest in participation. Then this year we talked about involving more heritage professionals in the group and I will let Gushi speak about this part. Hello all. So, since aim of the wiki world heritage is to promote various kinds of heritage it is important to involve people from heritage background to stimulate better conversations and approach towards the future of the project. Next slide please. Involving emerging heritage professionals from diverse backgrounds helps raise important dialogues as well as increase the global reach of the project. It opens up the space to collaborate with various organizations as well as include more and more volunteers into it and giving a platform for emerging professionals to express their views and document their own heritage. Next please. So involving people from heritage background also allows more on-ground reach and better documentation. One of the example could be taken as the recent photo heritage work that was conducted in the Amdabad which is also the world heritage city. So as a part of the collaboration between wiki world heritage and Indian heritage we had conducted this work where we had documented several historic sites of the city. This allowed more people from diverse background as well as heritage background to connect with wiki media, understand what we do and document the city in a better format. Next slide please. We also launched a new project called wiki heritage R on May 2022. The aim of the project is to reach out to emerging professionals, local NGOs, established institutes as well as export professionals and create a platform for open discussions with them. This project has allowed us to reach out to various people across the globe working in different kinds of heritage, conservation and promotion. Next please. The project has allowed us to collaborate with people across different geographic areas such as Africa, various countries of Africa, United Kingdom and various countries from Asia. Next please. So from our different experiences we had one major learning is that wiki media is a potent tool for heritage NGOs in order to document the different aspects of their culture and we should always emphasize on this part wiki media is a tool and not a net for them. And in the same time understanding wiki media and how wiki media movement works was very complicated for these NGOs coming from different backgrounds and who previously didn't have any clue about the movement and the sister project of Wikipedia. So what we need is to create some interactive and appealing material like short video sequences that really explain what is the movement and what supports can the movement have to different communities in order to encourage the different NGOs especially in countries with no affiliates to join the movement and create their own wiki media community. So if anybody has any question before the end of the session so from our previous experiences we would like to invite and encourage the wiki medians from different countries and also the foundation to think about how to explain in a very simple, practical and appealing way what the wiki media movement is and what is its contribution and what support it can give to the different NGOs. So we have a question how many heritage and non-profits organization exist? Actually we don't have the exact number of heritage NGOs as we have an international scope so we don't have a limited geographic scope but what we can say is that in every country there is at least one heritage NGOs that is interested by the documentation aspect and the involvement of the local community. So it will be good to think about catalyzing partnerships with these NGOs in order to catalyze the creation of wiki media communities in these countries. Recording stopped. We are at the historic ivory burning site at the Nairobi National Park and some will be telling us more about this place. It's a memorial site to commemorate elephants and rhinos that have been killed by poachers because of the ivory and horns. And here is just a chart indicating how the order of ivory burning has happened. It started in 1989 by Daniel Arab Moi. He burned a pile of 12 tons of ivory which was estimated to be worth a million dollars and then followed again in 2011 by President Kibaki who burned five tons of ivory. In 2015, President Kenyatta burned 15 tons of ivory and then 2016 again he burned along with the Alibongo of Gabon he burned one of five tons of ivory and 1.35 tons of rhino horns. One nice thing about getting a game drive at the Nairobi National Park is that you can have a few minutes to sit down and just chill and get to feel good about the environment. There are three places where you can get to chill out and sit. So currently we are at the Impala picnic site where we just want to have a few meals here, get to talk, get to bond, play a few games. After that we will be going back to the entrance where we will get to have a Maasai dance which is very popular in Kenya. So I just want to ask maybe from the team if anyone would share what their highlight has been for this day. It has been amazing, the great team, the amazing glavers, what can I say, the weather, the chillium on them and the beauty of seeing the animals around us. For me my biggest highlight was seeing or rather coming to the park for the first time in I think about 10 years. The last time I was here at the Nairobi National Park I think I was still in, I was 19. Yeah and now I'm still 19 plus some 10 years experience. Yeah I saw my highlight was just seeing how vast this park is because when you talk about it you don't realize how big it is and especially since we are always within the city, sky scrapers all over but I'm here in the middle, I can't see, I'm like oh yeah, okay interesting. Yeah and then I also go to see lions and it's amazing even how the tour guides can tell this lion is a brother to that one. I found that fascinating, I don't know about you guys. You can also how they get to tell if this is a male impala, this is a female one, if this other one is pregnant. Yeah and also maybe something that we also need to mention about this park it has an historical ivory burning site. So this was just to show Kenya's commitment in wildlife conservation and also like you know the ban against ivory. So that has been great and also if you guys can see we don't have like plastic bottles. Single-use plastic bottles are not allowed in national parks in Kenya. Kenya has one of the toughest plastic vans. Yeah Shalom, one of our newcomers what has been your highlight of their whole experience not just about the national park but also being like a community member. My highlight of today is seeing the whole team here together seeing wildlife together, spending this Sunday morning together and seeing very, I don't say cute but scary lions but yeah that has been the highlight of my day. It's a nice beginning of the week. How do you feel being part of this wiki community in Kenya because you're our baby, you're our last born newcomer. How do you feel about this? And especially because this is the first social gathering she's always come to editathons before but this is your first wiki mania at a social event. How do you feel about this? I did not expect this and I love it so much and thank you guys for having me and I'm looking forward to more. I'm also very excited to see the Maasai dancers very soon. Music playing Yes, that's what we did. Team Leaderavutu, I'm Team Leader. Coffee and mumsajik. Leader, you have cosmos? Yes. Team Leader, wear mask and the glove. Do you know what it is? Wear your mask and the glove. No. Cosmas wear a mask. Wear mask and the glove. The mask that is wearing you, you are too. Team Leader, where I'm placing this bottle? Ok. Team 2, you direct your team leader. Wiki, tell your team leader where this bottle is. Wiki, you tell your team leader. This one is for Wiki. This one is for Manya. And you'll be discontinued with your education. And then you come and you'll be discontinued with your education. And you'll be discontinued with your education. And you'll be discontinued with your education. string it again. No momentum here. No momentum here. No momentum here. I can imagine that some people will trickle in so I will start slowly with a bit of an introduction. My name is Sandra Fokunyei and one of the heads I have on is I work part-time as a product strategist for Wikimedia Sweden on a project which I will explain in a bit more length in a few minutes in the project that is related to the Wikimedia movement strategy in which Wikimedia Sweden experiments to start building up a thematic hub for support of content partnerships in the Wikimedia movement. And my side of the work is looking at how we can improve the situation of software in that area, software which is often written and made by volunteers and how we can support this better and make sure that the software becomes more sustainable. And that is also the topic of this session. Just for and I welcome everyone who is joining now, welcome, welcome, join us. Just for housekeeping reasons I am going to put in the chat here in Zoom the link to our Etherpad. The Etherpad is really central to this session in the sense that I really hope that as a group here we will have a lively conversation with each other and also shy people are triggered to put their opinion in there. And so I would really like to use the Etherpad for group discussion, a bit of typing of IDs and then we can have a discussion afterwards. I will actually start sharing my screen for a short introduction while everyone joins and I really welcome everyone who is joining here. Hi everyone. Let me see for sharing my screen, please bear with me. Okay, there we go. And I'm just going to shuffle around that I still see your face because I like to have that to feel to have a bit of a group feeling. Yes, that's better. All right. So for all the people who just arrived I'm not sure if you see the previous chats messages here on Zoom. We have an Etherpad and I would like all of us to use this Etherpad for active discussion. In the Etherpad you also see some information about the program about what we will do together here the next 30 minutes. And so I in the Etherpad you will see a short like overview of what the session will be about. I will introduce this session while people trickle in with some context about why we are having this conversation. And then we will have a bit of a group discussion inside the Etherpad and also with invited people here in the group. Hi Navi, welcome here and good to see you as well. And yeah, as I want to emphasize that this conversation is only the start of a much longer process. So I'm aware that not everyone who should be in this conversation can be here. So we would really like to follow up. I would actually like to encourage everyone who is interested in this conversation who is here and things like oh I'm really interested in this conversation. I want to stay in touch. Please the first thing you can do in the Etherpad is type your name here. If you're comfortable doing that of course. So let's say I have an I am just a participant I'm typing my name here. And if you want you can also add your email address. And if you are affiliated with a piece of software or if you are working on a specific project that is relevant then you can also enter the name of that project. So that's a way we can start together. Just type your name here. Of course I am already listed. If you are uncomfortable leaving your email address you can after the session also email me and just get in touch with me in private and then I will also have your contact information. I will now jump to a few short slides just to give some introduction and to warm up the group while people are coming in. In this session I am as I said a few minutes earlier I am representing Wikimedia Sweden. Wikimedia Sweden is at this moment experimenting with how what can a content partnership hub in the Wikimedia movement look like. And I am here with a specific hat on looking at how we how can we support software for content partnerships better. I have a few slides with some context. So some years ago and I know that some people in this group have been really a big part of these conversations or have at least followed them along. We've been having conversations as the Wikimedia movement about where do we want to be in 2030. What is you know where what are we striving for as a Wikimedia movement. And various lots of recommendations and lots of ideas came out of those conversations are a movement strategy for 2030. And one of the recommendations has been that we will ensure equity in decision making that we will make our decision making about the crucial things we want to do more equitable that we will also establish a global council that is one of the things that is going on but also start thinking about a more decentralized way of organizing our movements. For instance with also besides the organizations that we already have with the chapters the affiliates also the establishment of regional anti-medicaps. And one of the themes that I am very passionate about personally that's why I'm here that's why I'm working with Wikimedia Sweden is Wikimedia content partnerships. Glam wiki partnerships but much broader than that's Wikimedians collaborating with organizations around the world. And how can we make that work more effective more sustainable how can we help people do their work better. And yeah that's why I'm here and I think that's why you all are also here because you're interested in that topic. Wikimedia Sweden is actually stepping forward to experiment with doing a thematic up in this area and there are really some core values that we want to emphasize that it is an experiment what we are doing here. We are really open to and it's really important for us to answer to the needs of the Wikimedia movement to help others not replace the work that others are doing because we know that people in the Wikimedia movement are already doing a lot of content partnerships it's more looking at what is missing where can we help make do people do their jobs better and not step into on people's feet but really help people where there are gaps. And so support can be in many different areas this session focuses on one specific one which is the technical area software. So various things are going on in the hub and at Wikimedia there are other sessions also about some other aspects of that work but in this session we are focusing on software development. What does that mean software? All of this has been a little bit fake for me software for Wikimedia content partnerships to make it a bit more concrete that's things like you know Patti Pan that is things like software that we use for batch uploading data to Wikidata batch uploading images to Wikimedia Commons to keep track of statistics of the impact of our work in this area visualizing things and all the infrastructure around it. How can we make that software better? We know of cases you know where the software it is this kind of software is very often developed by volunteer developers which is amazing passionate people develop in really crucial things and we actually want to make sure that volunteer developers can and are you know encouraged to continue doing this because there's a lot of yeah like innovation going on in that area but how can we make this software also sustainable over the long term? How can we make sure that software stays maintained that people can keep using it if they find it important if it's valuable for them? And that has various questions and in this session in this discussion we will only touch upon it's very very superficially and our intention is really to continue talking about this over time and this is only a starting point but what can a thematic hub do in this area? What should a thematic hub do and not do? And we will talk about it already a bit in a few minutes. How can we organize this? Who helps to decide make decisions like which software do we really want to support for the future? Do we need new things? Which software do we also want to sunset? Things like that. How do we decide? What to follow? Volunteer developers themselves want and also who pays for things if there's money involved? How does the money flow in? Who is being paid? Who is not being paid? How do we organize all of this? We are really at the beginning and as a movement let's talk about this and that's why we are together. And I just want to flag I saw that Jean Fred is in the room. Hi Jean Fred. We already have some people who are thinking about this area and that is something I want to encourage further. We have this wonderful blog post by Jean Friedrich Bertelot who has already been thinking about it from his perspective as a volunteer developer contributing to things and we actually want to encourage more IDs like that and more conversations about all the IDs that are floating. Cool. Let's actually jump to a brainstorm. I want to stop talking myself and I want to give the floor to you, to everyone invited in this group, everyone present here. Let us go back to the Etherpads and in the Etherpads I have actually put some questions and I thank those who are taking notes. That's awesome. So we have, I will also switch to the slides. I hope that the slides will help a little bit. So listening to my introduction like okay with the Wikimedia 2020 strategic direction we want to establish thematic hubs that support certain aspects of our work in the Wikimedia movement. If you, yes I will do that. Thank you. I probably mispronouncing your name but I appreciate the ping. Yes. If we think about a situation where the essential software that we use for content partnerships batch upload software, software for statistics, software for reconciliation, all sorts of things that people want to do for partnerships. What are the essential things, what is the one essential thing that an organization helping it like Wikimedia Sweden or another thematic hub can do, should do and what should they absolutely not do? I invite everyone to think about that for a few seconds and just type your IDs in here. So I see that someone is already doing, a few people are already typing and I will give the group the opportunity to do that for a few minutes. I will keep an eye on the Etherpads, what people are typing and if I see that our IDs are falling a little bit silent, then I will actually come back and we can discuss it as a group. If there are things that other people are saying that you totally agree with, you can just say plus one. So I will do that here as well. I totally agree with keep engaging, growing the community by plus one. That also gives us a way to see, oh, these are the IDs that people like a lot and I see that people are already typing and let's do that together for a few minutes. I forgot to think about waiting music. Oh well. I will not sing because that's terrible. Let's just imagine that there is the music that you like inspiring you to type here. People are a little bit blocked in thinking about this. I also have put some more specific questions below. If you like, you can have a quick read of those questions and see if they are inspiring for more specific answers as well. There is still a lot of activity here, which is great. I see that most people have very positive IDs, which is good. But also, let me remind you, if you think about things that a thematic hub should definitely not do when they support content partnership software, please also put them there. Let's also be negative. It's really good for everyone to know what are definitely definite don'ts. I am also seeing that some people are putting plus ones behind IDs, which is great. That helps us to see which things are most important to this group here. So please do that as well. I think we will go on a few more minutes until I see that the typing stops a little bit and then we will regroup and talk together. I see things that I find really interesting. This is great. Also, IDs that I didn't have before. It's really nice. I'm sure maybe some people have arrived quite late, so I will post a link to it again. Oh, people are even adding answers to the specific questions. Wow, excellent. You're awesome. You're fantastic, all of you. Thank you. This is cool. Thank you very much. I see that people are still typing. I would say also in the interest of time, we now have 13 minutes left for this session. Let's continue typing for three minutes for people who will watch this recording afterwards. It will be like people are typing in an etherbed. Oh, interesting. Let's type for three minutes more and then I'd suggest we finish the typing session and we go back to a group discussion. In that group discussion, there are some people in this session who I explicitly invited to be part of the conversation. We have Revital from Wikimedia Israel. Wikimedia Israel works on the Glam Wiki dashboard, which is a tool for statistics for Glam collaborations. We have Navino Evans and we have Eugene Egbe, who have been working on a very nice tool called the ESA tool for tagging images on Wikimedia Commons. Let me see. We have Jean Frideric Bertelot, who is a very active thinker in this area, also a volunteer developer who helps us think through things and has blocked about this topic. I would like especially to ask these people to also maybe give some comments on what has been said here, but I also want to say, yeah, everyone who wants to comment upon something, feel free to unmute yourself and speak up. If you have a question or a comment you want to make, let's use also the raise hands feature of Zoom so that I am aware and the other people in the room here are also aware that people want to speak up. Don't be shy. Feel free to speak up everyone. In the meanwhile, I see a call. I already see two questions in the chat. How many paid developers are currently working at the tools you collected in the tool web list or in general at Wikimedia Projects related tools? That is a really excellent question and I actually do not know and that is probably something we should be counting as well. I think looking at the list and just eyeballing it very quickly, I do think if you would count all the paid developers for all these projects and some I don't know, maybe POS is also some paid people. I have no idea. Actually, I don't know it. Maybe three, four, FTEs totally. Most of them are really volunteer tools or have been built just through a grant for a few months on a paid basis and then afterwards, yeah, there has been no payment anymore and there has been some low maintenance of the tools. Patty, in that situation, it has been built by a paid grant but then no more paid support. Some of these are really, really hardcore volunteer tools so no one is working on them on a paid basis like all the Magnus tools etc. But that's an excellent question and I think it's a really good one. When I continue building these tool lists to make sure that everyone is clear about it, it's not a finalist. I think that's one of the things to keep track of like are there people being paid or have people being paid to do these things or are they purely volunteer based. I see that there is a question from Butch who put up his hand in the chat. Butch, if you want to speak up and ask your question, feel free to do so. Hello. Hi. Just sharing my experience before because during the movement strategy recommendations process, during our meeting in Bangkok, I believe it was 2019, we are asked about how do we do it with partnerships and one we can need and told us why don't we have a central location wherein people can suggest ideas and or probably post something there that they're looking for a resource tool or person who could help them with their particular need. For instance, they need to automate statistical data probably and rather than relying on meta which is a jungle, probably we should have some sort of some automation like a marketplace like an Amazon sort of or an Alibaba sort of a place wherein people can just using their phones or their computers just use it and someone will reply with that matches on their needs. I'm hoping that there will be some party or group who will develop this web interface. And you are specifically talking about something online, a place online like a forum where it feels a bit like a marketplace that's where people ask questions and get help doing the things they want to do. Yes, some sort of like that or a combination of both wherein there is someone who is offering help like I'm offering my my Saturday time to teach you about quick statements then and then people will sign in with that with that tool. Yes, I'm actually going to type your suggestion. I have the impression that that is this suggestion here that we have in the Etherbed rights, a marketplace where people post requests and offer capacity building and I will add to your comments there also a tool where people can offer their knowledge help etc. I want to add to that that Wikimedia Sweden is already also thinking in that direction. They are building a help desk for content partnerships. It's not sure if there's already ideas on doing that online in some sort of forum or marketplace setting but it is definitely good to keep track of that and see if that fills your needs and if you have ideas about that. I'm very, very certain that Wikimedia Sweden the people who are working on the help desk will be super happy to hear your feedback and comments. Thanks for that. Thank you for adding that comment and it is actually also an addition to one of the suggestions here. When I look at for our last six minutes at the various things that have been suggested let me look at the ones that are plus plus ones a lot. We see keep engaging and growing the community. Does someone want to answer to that or did someone suggest that specific one or do they feel very strongly and want to say a few words about that? I think also what are you specifically meaning by community is that specifically the developer community helping the community to stay lively or is it more broad like the community of users? If no one speaks up that's also totally fine but I just wanted to draw attention to the fact that that is highlighted. Another highlighted I see and I actually see it. Oh but there's Eugene who raised his hand. Eugene go ahead. All right I just wanted to share more light on engaging the growing communities. Yes particularly from Africa I think that more and more responsibility is given to African developers. I think that if there is a lot of work done around GLAM in Africa then the developers in those communities should be engaged more because I think most of the tools we use are not specific to the realities that we face in Africa. So if we can concentrate this energy around the specificities or the realities in Africa to be tools that are specific to these partners or these organizations implementing these GLAMs then you'll be really good. Excellent I am just quickly making a note of your comments here. So I hear you say that you would like both I think engagement for the community help for growing the community for the GLAM partnerships themselves but also for the developers working on it. Am I correct in hearing that or? Sure. Excellent thank you. Okay I will leave it to others to respond because I'm also moderating here. Another thing that I see coming back and I totally agree with that. I went closer a little bit. I see here that we want better documentation, learning resources, master classes, trainer-trainer certificates. I totally agree with that. I know myself that someone already sat here like the master this meta. I think one of the recommendations or at least we've talked a lot about in the movement strategy about better documentation in general for the movement and maybe more centralized, maybe documentation that is easier to find, easier to translate and that is definitely something I can imagine that a hub like this would play a role in. I see a hand from Alicia. Alicia go ahead take the phone. Yeah thank you. A lot of the work that I do at Wikimedia Sphere is working with GLAMs who want to have content partnerships with the Wikimedia movement and we are really seeing this shift in that GLAMs don't just want to get their stuff uploaded to commons and so on but they actually want to develop in-house expertise and they want to develop their own long-term strategies and continue contributing to the platforms on their own and this has really been quite a big threshold with working with GLAMs like explaining here are all the different tools, here are all the different user scripts, here is meta, here are people discuss and here are all the different pages that you have to read up on and here's all the pages with documentation that a lot of people have developed in parallel or not at all and I often get the impression that GLAM people expect a nicer package to learn from because they want to invest their time into it. I recognize that very much. I see in the group that we also have Michel from Wikimedia Netherlands and Wikimedia Netherlands for instance is also working on documentation specifically for GLAMs so I made a note of that. If people want to add things there then please do. We are almost running out of time but the Etherpad I think is a fantastic resource that we can come back to later. I just want to quickly say we will follow up on this so as I said in the beginning if you want to stay in touch please leave your email address or email me because this is just a start. This Etherpad is gold and we will follow up on it. I want to focus on getting the most out of this group so I see that Navino has raised the hand and I want to give you the floor Nav. Thank you. Yeah it's just a quick thing really just to say like from my perspective the major major thing that is a bit problematic is this idea that it's really really fun to develop the tools in the first place and volunteers love to do that and they maybe like to add a new core feature and make it do something really fancy but then the really boring bit comes afterwards which is like maintaining it coming to fix it when there's a problem in the future maybe some stuff changes technically and you have to go and update the security and all of this stuff is just not there's not time to do it and there's not the energy to do it and even Magnus you know like you know he responds to what he can but he has this huge list of outstanding requests for really important features for different people and he doesn't have the time to do it and if he does have time he wants to do something that's fun for him obviously so for me it feels like particularly supporting obviously Magnus but anyone who's who develops these tools and really highlighting the most important tools and the ones that are really used by everyone and the things that everyone really wants them to have and to just come on board and support them with some ongoing sort of paid work you know like the you know quick statements and these really essential tools that so many people use so I feel like that's the major thing that's maybe maybe missing and would be really nice to see more of yeah yeah absolutely I mean we have seen this quite recently with Patti Pan developed by volunteers volunteers have their own lives they have their own priorities and when stopped working it turned out that a lot of glams depended on it to do their uploads and like fortunately we were able to have one of our colleagues to help out and bring it back up but that really made it very very clear that this is a weakness in the tools ecosystem yeah thanks for that and I am actually also curious to hear what volunteer developers more volunteer developers find about that I I've often heard Magnus himself say I love creating tools from scratch and thinking you know like inventing new tools and then I'm totally fine with others picking it up he does not want to be paid himself at all not because he hates being paid but just because he has a different job in his life I I actually want to hear more in the future about other volunteer developers as well like what do you find acceptable and not where at what point when a tool is seen as really important what's form of collaboration do you appreciate how do you feel about being paid or not because that's also a sensitive thing in our movement like some people do things for pay and that's in my personal opinion totally fine some of our best tools have been created also in a paid position I think that's also for me part of the conversations we need to have after this I don't hear anyone from the organization telling us that we need to stop so I just continue in here until someone says you need to stop this session if people want to go of course feel free to go but I quickly just want to go to some other comments that have gotten the pluses we do not want to depend on Magnus Monskis free time to fix problems no that's correct yeah he's Magnus is fantastic and he is extremely helpful and he has been really crucial to the Wikimedia movement and yeah let him do whatever he likes to do and let other people help to do whatever he does not like to do and same goes for other volunteer developers let me see do we have a really good thing to finish this session I have absolutely not been able to read all the input here so if someone has a last comment here I would encourage you to say so maybe one thing I am now on the on the spot thinking about um we of course I also have a very mixed situation we have tools like the ones created by by Magnus Monskis himself that have been totally volunteer driven but then we also have tools like the one that Wikimedia Israel is working on that is basically supported by an affiliate or Wikimedia affiliate is building it or several affiliates are building it and are maintaining it it is in a paid position done by paid developers and also there Wikimedia Sweden does not want to get in the way it is great that you know also affiliates organizations take initiative in doing things and I think it's really good that we find also a way where we stay in touch very well about these things and we help each other but if affiliates if groups are really willing to do things then they should be able to do that and we should support each other and find a way to do that as well um I see the message that we need to wrap up I there was a last hand from I think Alicia again if you still have your famous last words yeah I was looking at the tasks that would be good to be taken over by a formal organization such as and I see documentation documentation long term maintenance and prioritizing what should be developed these are the things that are not as glamorous to do if you are a developer and you like developing co-tools but then to actually write good documentation that requires a different set of skills to make it all cohesive and and available to different target groups so that is a very good point that I will be taking away from this totally thank you cool last hand from Eugene or was that still your old hand up in the air sorry we're gonna have to finish oh I'm sorry it's the next session thank you everyone but let's be in touch um please leave your contact info and uh we will talk about this more thank you very much organizers uh technical team thank you 22 welcome to the world according to wikipedia the podcast that explores the weird wonderful and baffling world of wikipedia the people who write it and what makes them tick with me for nula and me rebecca and in this episode we are live at wikamania 2022 which is very exciting um so yay and we have a guest we do we do Derek do you want to introduce yourself i'm dara crochet um i i've run the irish for twitter account and i wrote the book mother fucker dispatches of not so dead language and i used to present the mother fucker podcast on headstuff podcast network for former stable mates with uh with the world according to wikamedia so i'm very delighted to be here and an old hand i believe at live streams when you had um patreon and other things so yes uh yeah well so we i'm not sure if i ever got completely used to it i think you're you're still learning it's one of those things that takes a moment to learn and a long long time to master so this is a little bit different from our usual podcast we're going to mix up the format a little bit because we have darik with us for the entire show um rather than me going off and you know having a zoom huddle with one wikamedia of my choice and then i deliver the interview back to fenula not too long not too short just right like a goldilocks interview um so this is a little bit different so we're we're mixing it up so if you have any questions uh for darik some of you who attended Celtic knot in 2020 might be familiar with um who and his work already um but equally if you have any questions for us about the podcast or about podcasting in general uh do add them to the chat i'm also keeping an eye on the ether pad as well and i'm attempting also to keep another eye an additional eye on our time to make sure that we don't we don't rush ourselves or go too far over um this is as i said our very first live episode so a little bit of a learning curve uh for both myself and fenula a little bit of experimentation but we're very excited uh to be part of wikamania and also as we said our our irish twitter celebrity darik in the room as well um so do do add your questions oh yes well it's your fault we have a podcast so you know we have to make you work for it at some point yes way back in the annals of time darik said to rebecca uh you should do a podcast and and then she wrote me in um so yeah yes it's a it's a dangerous conversation though when people just meet up and it starts suggesting podcast ideas to each other and uh i mean it opens a opens a terrifying trap door but i did think and i'm still i'm still glad to think so uh that i um i i i i thought that something the idea of wikipedia is so scalable in addition to having the community of wikam unions around the world and people who are curious about getting into it and having having that as the first step for people want to try that as well as the fact that wikipedia is ultimately about everything i mean is it nothing as off-topic in the conversation with the media as we've seen and um very true and yeah yan our previous guest yan and ali has just in the tech and the chat has said he did a session earlier today about podcasting and he did a lightning talk specifically about podcasting in your own language as well so wiki pardon uh which is the podcast that he does so it doesn't you know much like with wikipedia english does not have to dominate um um all times and i'm delighted that i've been able to talk to lots of people with whom the projects that they engage with or the work that they do isn't just about the english language um and of course you know you've always had an interest darik in in the irish language yes especially uh so and it was something i mean when i started doing the podcast right about the irish language i mean there was obviously there's a there's a wealth broadcasting in irish and which is accessible for people with the high standard of irish which is which is great and there should be community radio for irish speaking communities as well as um thanks for learners but there's also i guess i was aware that something like the irish language touches so many things like technology like law like um like um like literature literature and and and people's names baby names there's so many things that can be so i thought that having irish language as a as the central theme of the general interest show it became a keyhole through which you saw the world and that's kind of shows i liked like um like reply all around nine percent invisible took similar out to your structure or through technology and they found it basically you could do a podcast everything like when your your central theme is like is a keyhole which can see the world and that's that's how i took the irish language approach for mother before i did pretty well i was very i was very happy with the um the positive response the very nice things said and uh unfortunately gave me the bad habit of telling other people that should definitely start throwing podcasts but i will say from my point of view because i'm not involved in wikipedia i am a novice and not even a novice i think i've edited a few lists like i've i've maybe put commas and things like that in what i found very interesting about about wikipedia about this particular podcast is i've learned so much about the world through like through the interviews that rebecca is doing with people with the with the contributors to wikipedia around the world which i find particularly fascinating like there is every every person that she's interviewed has been excellent and say hi we're going to have a cameo they're gone they're going back sorry for that i apologize for the terrible disruption but yes so um and i've i've just been i've been glued to world according according to wikipedia since it started uh just think it's a formal idea and cover some of the fascinating things which i have never thought about wikipedia is the classic example of something that's people take for granted people refer to it every day and just just assume it there and don't realize the amount of of uh worker bees going on background and if it's fascinating to me more about it like with parenting uh it's a lot of frantic swan legs going on in the background i didn't mean to two seconds in the meantime we could discuss this this is what live episodes are all about um so yes uh from my point of view like i've i've enjoyed uh sort of speaking on from what dark was saying like things like the medical editing of wikipedia particularly around the early days of covid-19 that was fascinating to me because it didn't even occur to me until we had the interview that there would be um particular things that we needed that were needed care that needed to be taken over making sure that everything that's on wikipedia is correct and not prone to misinformation um so that was yeah i learned so much and and i trust wikipedia a lot more to be honest with you now but i know exactly how much care and attention goes into it i think when you've added a few pages you realize how scrupulous the kind of volunteer and community actually is about of making sure that there is no misinformation it's a it's a it could be a little disheartening kind of it's when you believe that yes i believe that's correct thing i refer to as sourcing to that i said immediately shut down but that's part of the experience for the fun and i was like i didn't consider this to be misinformation but yes i didn't realize the irish currency turned in a reliable source but uh that's hoping uh highly reliable yeah that's the kind of worms right there that's interesting there are some papers and stuff and obviously if there's yes something might be a respectable publication but the it might be an opinion column or something like that or you know and these are things you learn as you go along well that's a very good um beautiful segway it's always good when you point out a segway isn't it makes it even better and for we always have a section on our podcast about rules and of course most wikipedia's know technically there are no rules we have our five pillars yes have lots of guidelines and policies and writing guides and style guides and everything else um and what i'd like to if there's anybody in the chat that has a particular one that is their favorite uh one that they think is particularly obtuse or particularly funny or particularly useful um you know one of my favorites is is wp not which is you know what wikipedia is not and we've covered that before so it's on a new source it's not a manual it's not a it's not trying to be anything other than an encyclopedia so if anybody wants to add one please i did task poor old eric didn't have time to look up his favorite one but i think that's an interesting one like thinking about we think about those acronyms like the wp not and and all those g n g for uh kind of you know good notability guidelines and things like that but there's nuance in all of them like they're not and that's why they are guidelines and not strict rules because there's they're always opened interpretation and there's always a case to be made so even if you have an opinion piece from the Irish Times perhaps if you're writing about that particular person and their particular stance on something then if they have a wikipedia article perhaps it should be added so there's always a little bit of wiggle room there have there been any other things so you've started i think so yeah i would have started out and go up and be some time back and then initially i found that the that the actual app the beta app on the on android phone was really good in terms of being as suggesting it at the start to require captions and photographs and tagging and things of fashion and i found i was like an easy way of um slightly more productive sense of being on the bus then maybe playing angry birds and something like that and i picked out a certain set of satisfaction then after feeling s that we'd be able to have made a thousand data so didn't make it to take my toe and to maybe try and add an paragraph to an article or something like that and it would have gone from there and i thought yes there's um there are certain gaps uh in in certain things which i felt i had a reasonable knowledge of and having a subscription to certain um certain newspapers and the Irish newspaper archive and the British newspaper archive which i would use for in my research my writing i was in a position to actually look at things um which maybe had uh where were those gaps before where you might might be able to find an actual an article from the time or or a reference maybe that was missing because i was able to add references for citations were needed and things of that and yes there was a section before going on to actually doing something as drastic as starting my own article and that that was an adventure and you know things people are supportive people did leave bowl of strawberries and things like that in my uh in as my replies which i wasn't expecting i don't know the uh i was still learning the etiquette but don't tell anyone don't tell i was still learning the etiquette of kind of how we comedians um refer to each other as compared to say social media or some other way but people have people to communicate online so that was a learning experience too there was a kind of a culture of thanking people and acknowledging and constructive criticism which is wonderful that is one of the things that i'm sorry just good like one of the things i really like about Wikipedia that i find out is that there are these little things that you give to people you know the the cute the cute side of Wikipedia like as you said the bowl of strawberries or things like that you know like that that's nice you know acknowledgement they're good it has been shown that even the simple thank button does encourage people to stick around because they a bit like you know i suppose having a twitter or or a twitch stream or whatever it is that you feel perhaps very few people are paying attention to you actually somebody going and taking the time to say thank you for doing a particular thing especially if it's on a low you know kind of a low traffic article so you know an irish backwater you know i've been surprised at the things that i've been thanked for over the years yeah it does admit it's especially if it could be possible without that kind of culture of of niceness you may want to find the only time you interact with anybody would be somebody correcting or reversing you know a change you made and that would be very disheartening so it's nice to actually get that you know somebody noticing that you're new and kind of suggesting things and and then this as well as the uh with the island project and things without seeing there's a list of stubs that just need to be fixed and that somebody that's um it's a great gateway in for someone who are not sure where to start a good shout out to the the fellow editors of wikipedia ireland the wiki project and they're doing a huge amount of work with that three or four of them re-rating all they're going through all of the articles tagged as being related to ireland and they're re-rating them to make sure that that stub start see upwards is correct we've had two really interesting suggestions in the chat so from Jan it was like systematic bias is a good reminder and even better on language versions strongly connected to one country so yeah that there are biases you know that appear in literature that they're mirrored so a lot of the criticism that wikipedia gets is it's not necessarily inherent to wikipedia it's reflecting the world back onto itself and to remind ourselves of that so there's so much fixing we can do with what material we have but um yeah don't template anyone so it's that thing it's like the acronym thing of like barraging a brand new editor with a load of acronyms a load of templates a load a load of basically um you know I suppose jargon for one to a better word which is just outputting it's not friendly it's not welcoming that really it's that humanity piece that we've been talking about that's really important yeah so yeah and I think one of the my first thought that there was that that there was a gap in the market for a wikipedia podcast probably was when Claire Murray came on to the show it was the first time one of what we've done a several a number of um we had done a number of wikipedia adjacent uh episodes but that was Claire's one about wikipedia it was the first one the controversial v yes indeed oh there's our highly controversial v and in the Irish languages it's it's strange how all these kind of running gags turned up in the podcast and people can still kind of repeat them but then they obviously they they filled in the between the letter v and peg and things like that we found it's because there's a there's a whole world of online offline people who don't realize that these things are are a part of um Irish internet humor but but yes the wikipedia page was um I think because I was doing a live show in London and Claire was going to be there and she basically said you know we should you should definitely do an episode in this and I hadn't really given wikipedia any thought up to that point and I didn't realize there's all this whole that there was so much too much which I hadn't even considered before and the actual and the idea that yes wikipedia is the first place people go for things and having an actual a co-op of Irish language content there is so important for people who are you know if you want to look up something about climate change in Irish you you should be able to go to a climate change related page and on the page and it should be there and that's why it's so important that it's supported and it's it's brought to attention and there are people who I mean for four Irish speakers online who want to you know help in a positive way and that's something that anyone can do or anyone anyone but what's Irish can do for context on that at this point when we had that conversation with Claire you'd written a book about coming back to Irish you'd started a podcast about I suppose you know living through Irish or having access to Irish and it was only then that you were like hmm online encyclopedia that is that is also perhaps a useful thing exactly yes and it's it's I mean it's it's something supposed that I was surprised at how I guess I was surprised at how little they did how it wasn't being as widely championed or not compared to I suppose there was I mean there's a certain amount of Irish language publications which are and people people do know each other to a bit there's only a few to be separation but I just thought that there was a if more people knew about this more people participated in it and I believe that maybe that there has been a little a little bump I'm not sure how measurable these things are but I'd like to think there's been a little bump I was great after that a few months after that maybe in the year or so to have Gabriel Beecham on yes so this is a plug for the archives of Mother Folklore so for those who don't know Gabriel Beecham he was one of the founders or is arguably the founder of pick a page and he did it like me and this one is ridiculously accomplished for him people and like some of the people who are that brilliant he's enragingly modest about how very good he is at how smart he is the fact that for the crack he created the Irish language Wikipedia while he was like he's a teenager in school I'm waiting for his man to come home or something just messing around the computer and and that's basically and that's it'll emerge from there I think and so it's and he's a doctor now as well so as everything else he's worked on the Irish language kind of content into a lingo as well as being as well as fighting COVID and doing all those things so to show you Mark woman and it was it was great to be able to bring more people's attention to that that was that that it was that at least some somebody starts these things that somebody takes the first step and and I'll take in the community you can join in amazing things can happen so it's um I mean it's because I think and I suppose I was inevitably just going to compare Wikipedia to other minority languages particularly European minority languages to see if I mean without without wanting to get into it into try comparisons about which one's bigger or things like that but it is um I thought I've given now I mean how I in some ways people like a lot of people in speaking other minority languages would consider Irish to be a role model in terms of how widely spoken it is and in Ireland how well supported it is by the state but then I still found there was some I surprised at which minority languages had larger kind of bodies of articles in Wikipedia and I think Bretton was in France was was was much bigger than expected considering that it would be like I understand this feels quite imperiled or the Russian speakers consider it to be in the interstate peril I don't think there's any I don't believe there's any compulsion to teach Bretton at schools to the same extent there isn't like an Irish or doesn't have that uh so it was interesting to see that how housing never compares of course our interpreters bless them are coming up against the phenomenon of Irish people talking very fast and yeah we apologize uh for that whole heartedly um it's one of the things that's happened to me at every single I think uh international wikimedia account uh conference that I've attended is that it usually takes me about a day to slow down and stop using quite as many Irish idioms and terms of phrase that just tend to the rest of the world are a little bit baffling so thank you so much for that reminder I appreciate that um it's interesting when you talk about because one of the reasons that obviously we brought you in for for the Celtic Knot conference in 2020 and the Bretton community have been an active active contributors to that since the beginning of it in in Edinburgh in 2017 um and you were reflecting kind of on perhaps kind of the and you kind of alluded to it there like the politics of language and and how you know some languages do definitely feel like they are and it just happened all around the world where they have been actively suppressed or kind of benignly neglected probably in the in the nicer in the nicer ways um and that you know the power of wikipedia's for people who are active within those languages to kind of circumvent or you know kind of um I suppose move away from the usual systems of power that meant that languages got got priority or got resources or whatever it is and do you think even in a context like Ireland that it's still very important to have that there yeah I think I mean it is and it is interesting how I'm going to talk very slowly there um it is I suppose certain minority languages are maybe adjacent to one very large language and then often it seems sometimes that a minority language is adjacent to two or more languages and maybe has a better chance of survival because it's not being pressed in the same direction I think because you've got a Basque region of France and the Basque region of Spain it's not the Basque language isn't as um it doesn't doesn't have a single point of threat which is pushing it whereas if you consider maybe because in the parallel with the Irish languages that everybody speaks Irish also speaks English and if people are struggling with their Irish or if one person's Irish is better than the others there's a the dangers they will fall back into English speaking English instead whereas that may not necessarily be the case with certain other minority languages like the one in Luxembourg, Luxembourgish and things like that where you might find to see it has it has the advantage of being something unifying and you might find there's um there are certain certain languages which have that advantage and then there are certain languages which have a relationship to the state like the Flemish and where it maybe it gives our speakers a big work speaking the language gives you access to a certain certain certain professionals our friend of mine in Belgium was talking about how he recently applied for a mortgage in the Flemish bank and he does not already signed it did not uh they don't entertain his his uh his requirement for English yeah I mean it he's in a different country there's no need you know and so yeah that was the idea we were very far from having an all Irish language bank in Ireland yeah and I think that would it's interesting it surprises some international people because a lot of international people when they think that Irish has or Ireland has its own language then of course and that's the the lingua franca and that's that's the um that's the premise of a very famous film that a lot of Irish students now have to study um which is the premise of which is that you know somebody who wants to emigrate to Ireland learns Irish to then move here and then discovers that nobody actually speaks it uh until he bumps into somebody in in a uh and I will find the link the Wikipedia article to the to the um movie um uming is Adam dumb that's it which is my name is uming and he discovers um somebody some people will recognize some of the actors that then appear from a lot of channel four and other and other items um I was interested I do wonder though actually just to come in on that one I do wonder if he'd have the same reaction now because there are a lot more people particularly young people speaking Irish out and about if you know what I mean it's not like when that film was made there wasn't the kind of the the resurgence in the language so to speak but I do think that was at the cusp of it you know yeah and I think that yeah it's having tg car and and more Irish language broadcasting and those kind of resources and has meant that there there is a resurgence now if you think about um for for young people who've grown up and have never known a world prior to tg car and uh and ready and all of that and those kinds of things it's it was a very different learning Irish was a very different experience in the in the 1980s and even the early 90s and and it it is much more welcome now yes I do believe if there was a you mean too um was it um you know you fast mean furious or or as some sort of you mean sequel yes would find some Irish speakers he would stumble upon a pop of guilt or something along those lines yeah just impact those yeah for some so tg car is the so tg4 as it would would be is the Irish language television channel here in Ireland which was only launched in the 1990s by our current the man who is our current president and but there's also radio Nilefa which is a local Dublin radio station which is kind of somewhat in contrast to radio Nilefa which is the state Irish language broadcaster which is probably seen as a little bit more serious um whereas radio Nilefa has you know it's all about contemporary music and and contemporary culture so it's really about that kind of living through Irish and what's nice some of the new articles that I've seen created on Vika paid have been around things like that so around advocacy groups like Mishnok talking about kind of the state of of Irish kind of but in very contemporary terms opposed to this feeling of that you always have to write about the language in kind of very serious heritage historical type terms which is you know all very worthy and important one thing that I was interested Derek when you were saying that you started you started kind of edging Wikipedia because you had you know you were researching and you were thinking about writing writing your next book um has editing Wikipedia and kind of that kind of workflow or that sort of state of mind changed how you approach writing has this has made it easier harder I think it's it's probably I'd like to think it's kind of race maybe uh has made me conscious of my standards and in some regards and if this isn't good enough for Wikipedia why should you be writing anywhere else yes which is probably maybe no harm I think it's it's I think it does edit me it does give you a little discipline you can particularly with certain topics the kind of stuff that I tend to find myself writing about you get corrected quite very quickly or it's um you get corrected very quickly if you dare um and it's something that hasn't been you know kind of the triple triple supported by with the references and support so I think it's in that sense I'm not sure if it's changed the actual the nature of my text think of of the text itself but it probably has made me very conscious of if I'm writing something factual something nonfiction to uh to be more airtight in my reference interesting I do notice that sometimes on twitter you kind of reveal a little bit about what you've been writing about and it's it's things like when when pizza appeared in Ireland yes for the first time and and yeah so I find sometimes I've been very interested more recently I think possibly ever since for people who for people who are unfamiliar with Irish Twitter you the idea of something coddle which is a kind of a broth made with poached sausages it's um it's a traditional Dublin uh um possibly what it's just it's I was fascinated by how in an age of kind of increased homogeneity in so many things and with supermarkets and so forth the idea that you can still have a regional dish and that's maintained a certain regional character in Ireland and what does it reveal where it is where does does the coddle line reveal where Dublin stops and starts is there it reveals that the Dubliners are wrong and bad and should be like you know but yeah for international listeners it is it is astute with but with boiled sausages boiled sausages critically the sausages are not browned and so they're pale sausages and this is this is the I think when you brown them with a big comes like a castle layer or something that's um but yes the so I guess I've been reading more about our own food history and our own food heritage like the serving Zanya with coleslaw and the when when pizzas were produced when this people stopped using inverted commas around the word pizza it's it struck me as there is there is a story of our own food culture when you actually look into it when you look into why um why pizza took long to adapt to why um when you when you realize that this tells a story about kind of european european integration but also about the introduction of frozen food and how houses are in fridges and things like that and I don't know the suburban conveniences and how how late they happened in our own compared to the other parts of the world I didn't know why we still refer to like those fancy fridge freezers as American fridges I didn't realize this was seen as one of the huge differences between our own in America was the the convenience of a fridge of a fridge freezer and that we and this was something that was seen as so highly America and this is why when uh when delicatessen started and you pick up some refrigerator food and that's why people put lasagna was next to the coleslaw and that's why people decided to serve them together and this is and this is the sort of thing that that we all know doesn't appear necessarily on wikipedia because it's that kind of very intangible I mean to call it intangible heritage is probably overstating it slightly but it's the kind of thing that you you know yourself having lived in a particular culture or experienced something firsthand but it's not something that you necessarily find a citation for and it feels very trivial in comparison to say intangible heritage as it goes you know as as pertains to large parts of the world but at the same time I was I was recently engaged in an edit war on the crisp sandwich and whether or not it's an American or a UK Ireland invention so it's not having my citation thing I'm sorry it's an island it can become very you know very kind of heated because there is no definitive answer because it is soft and malleable in in history that's why it was so important for to find like I actually found that social diarists and in newspapers in the 70s actually get gave some they were their first people to stay with they would know just something like a you wouldn't get a news article about so lasagna is now available in this shop in Dublin but you might get like an ad and and then maybe social diarists saying oh yes we were we had a lasagna and for the commas they're recently in the very nice and and then and then so those kinds of things after it happens and this is it's linked in some ways to the Irish language and that people contested why if a word really comes from Irish if it's if it was added after the fact and I did find then there was a huge there was a debate with the origin of the word crack C or AIC at a spelt in Irish and and there was a widespread view that this was invented in the early 90s to to sell kind of Ireland as a fun destination instead of a hard and intensely religious country and that's I mean then that may have been a motto but if they were definitely existed prior to that and and then you find yes something was no I never heard of you didn't hear a lot of things make and again yeah anecdote does not equal data also the other side of that and that's why I I suppose it felt that it was it was great to actually when you mean go back and you look into these this these food heritage things because at what point you say where is a local area where where does where do blaster it stop exactly at the end edge of water for a door does coddle stuff does there is a there is a house which is the last house to serve coddle and Dublin that is a border between rural Ireland and the city do you feel very sorry for our interpreters with probably uninterpretable words like coddle blah and not b l a a a and and a crisp sandwich because obviously a crisp is not a crisp everywhere in the world so crisp is not and a chip and a potato chip doesn't like do people have potato chip sandwiches in America today that that is a question that is I would imagine just as fraught as the crisp sandwich debate but it's it's interesting and that's one of the things where I suppose that's the difference between our a minority or a small language Wikipedia where to a certain extent if we write the article on a crisp sandwich in Irish we can kind of centre it within that language and perhaps centre it within that experience but when you're talking about you're talking about the the English language then you're having to deal with the whole Anglophone world and then also the experiences of other languages as they manifest in English then as well yeah so trying to kind of marry there's a there's I suppose there's a niceness to the kind of small community language Wikipedia that allows for perhaps a little bit more kind of cohesion or something around certain topics and assume knowledge I think we it's very hard to find the point of assume knowledge in an article if you think that if you're going to write an article about John Charles McQuaid and how much assume knowledge about Irish Catholicism do you bring and how much do you just say well actually you know you could reasonably expect a person who's never went around before to pick it up because if I was going to somewhere you just stumble upon an article about a a major kind of theological figure in another country and out of no some knowledge I would like to think Wikipedia would be able to cater for me that's a that's a that's a topic we've never and it's probably a massive one and we might have to have me back on to talk about but yeah assumed knowledge is yeah and and as Jan is saying like systematic bias um that if you're translating and I think this is a really interesting point for small language Wikipedia's the the kind of the the chasing of translating from a dominant language say like English or French um or Portuguese or Spanish into another language Wikipedia can import all of those things in with it and I yeah I think it's something that the Wikipedia community not that they just not that they discourage translations but perhaps it's not seen as the most effective way to build an encyclopedia. I do sometimes from from my limited French and German school I sometimes look at articles in Ireland and articles about Irish language topics in those languages and I think that the French uh the French article on uh on quark has a lot of uh kind of uh popes a lot of fun at the monster rugby team and the quark accidents in ways which which I wasn't expected to see and that none these things can don't get mentioned at all German and the German article that quote it's um it is interesting because obviously I mean the France quark connection as much will inevitably mean monster rugby is going to be always going to be a huge part of that and whereas there wouldn't be that that wouldn't be the first thing for a German person to think of when they make a quark or a Swedish person to think of when they think of quark. That's really interesting. Do you have anything there for me? I wonder what the Wikipedia uh sorry the Wikipedia article on Thierry Henry might say. I'm going to check that name. Yes that's the Thierry Henry in Ireland is kind of our version of of don't mention the war and I think sometimes um Irish football players we are we are coming up to time and I wanted to just um I don't I don't want to wind us up too quickly but at the same time don't want to get cut off unceremoniously as it has as happens with these things but I really wanted to thank you Derek so much for for all of your support over the years um you have allowed me to be the curator of the motherfucker lore um Twitter account over the years which is a massive following um and to tweet both myself and Claire have tweeted about the page and and Wikipedia editing um over the years so thank you very much for that. Was there anything kind of you wanted to to say to kind of conclude? No just to uh congratulate you on the continued success of the world of war and Wikipedia. I can't wait to get stuff back in and I see what you have next. Fantastic. 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One particular um and the name is falling out of my head right now but does it's all about food it's all about spice bags spice bags so yes look up the phenomena of the spice bag uh as well if we've peaked your interest but thank you so much for for joining us today really appreciate it we know we're a little bit kind of a little bit different in the wikimanias setup this this year but uh thank you all for joining us and for all of your comments we really appreciate it thank you so much thank you um Sloan from Ireland Sloan and I work as a project leader at Wikimedia Sverige so I'm based in Stockholm Sweden and I work mainly with education and learning uh but also capacity building um in other ways as well as communication and also community support in our organization organizational development uh so a lot of these issues uh or topics um are included in what we call the grand tour of Wikimedia of which I will talk today so the first thing I would like to uh address is that Wikimedia Sverige is aiming at creating a content partnerships hub uh which is uh a thematic hub um that will hopefully establish a way of supporting the Wikimedia movement with uh within content partnerships um and we currently work we have identified five different areas or six maybe um in how we will establish this hub and uh where work is being carried out and the grand tour that I will be talking about today is in the area of capacity building strengthening the movement around different aspects one being how do we achieve good and lasting partnerships with partners that have their own um that have their own content that can be brought onto our platforms so this is um yeah the the grand tour is is coming from this hub work so then what is the grand tour of Wikimedia well it is as I said capacity building for the Wikimedia movement as well as for the individual because our idea is that small groups of travelers about maybe three to five people in a small group travel to several maybe two to four affiliates um that can be chapters or user groups or a group of volunteers uh connected to the Wikimedia movement to gain and share knowledge so that's where the capacity exchange is going on our plan is that each grand tour follows a theme and that could be GLAM that could be education for volunteer involvement or organizational development um open source open data maybe open street math uh well it follows the theme um as I said uh oh have we have a question here and I will answer them as we go by a basic question is this real physical travel or virtual travel and our plan is that it will be an actual physical travel and we started this planning a couple of years ago and well as you know we haven't been able to start the tours yet because of the global situation with the pandemic but our hope is that next year we will have the first tour I've been running and yeah the idea might even go back to 2014 you were you were here then I wasn't um and uh well yeah it's supposed to be a actual an actual physical tour oh I'm glad to see that Abin you would like to be a part of the tour I'm very glad to hear that our idea is that each participant have their own goals as well within that theme so it's you you make maybe an individual plan what you would like to achieve as well as what you're presented with of course and our idea is that the receiving parties plan the stay they create an interesting program they book the accommodation etc they also decide on the level of what they would like either help with like solving a problem for example versus showing examples of their work which might be more giving something to the participants so we see it as an opportunity also for a user group or a chapter an affiliate to gain help with something maybe they would like to establish something and have a kickoff and then a group of people coming from the movement can help them in doing so so it's not only going to study visits for example that could also be a part of the program of course but it's up to the receiving end our thought is that this is both staff and volunteers and this is some this is an issue where we would like you to give us your opinions if the the tours should be joined and that both staff and volunteers are part of the same groups because it's the same theme that they are working with or if it's easier to organize it in a way that volunteers go with other volunteers and staff go with staff so that's something that we will have to find out together what's working and what might not be working in that context someone has someone put on their microphone and would like to say something and maybe it was just an echo yeah so this is the basic the basic tour as we see it um and oh sorry um we also have some core values that we see from the from the tour which are sustainability of course and then we mean all aspects of sustainability we want this to be as environmentally sustainable as possible we want it to be as economically sustainable as possible and as socially sustainable as possible and what we mean by that it is for example environmental sustainability um maybe the tours will have more of a regional um a regional perspective maybe because of shorter travels for example if that's possible also going by um by for example train rather than flying if that's possible but also thinking about what kind of environmental impact we would do to the world that's something that we will have to consider when planning the different tours economic sustainability we would like this to be something that several people can actually take part in and we are thinking about a model right now where um at least to begin with making me this value are the ones that are coordinating at least the first tour and maybe the first tours trying to create a model and um and then our idea is that it is the receiving organization or poor party that pay for the the stay when people come to those countries the the receiving party are the ones that that pay for that and also sending them on to the next stop on the journey so that the cost won't be on the individual but rather on the receiver of course there will come costs around that as well and we will try to find external finances for the participants maybe if they need to take some time off work if there's volunteers or putting aside time for this or whatever so we'll try to find economic solutions for that but also social sustainability we will be we we want people to get energy from traveling rather than that it costs them too much so we'll try to find good ways so that people feel well equity is another is another core value and what we mean by that is um often that we have prejudice on who can teach someone else something that it might be the larger chapters for example that can teach the smaller ones to do something but here or that it that it is the receivers that will teach the traveler something but here we think that the travelers will bear a lot of knowledge and even require acquire even more as they take the tour and they can share that to other parts of the movement as well as maybe it's good for someone from a large chapter to go to a smaller one to discover their their daily work and and their circumstances so that's something where we will try to achieve as well of course openness and transparency we will try to for example document all the journeys as as good as possible as well as maybe showing program and sharing sharing material etc and using our platforms for that but we also put in the point of personal development because we want people to see this as an opportunity within the Wikimedia movement this is something that you might not be able to achieve in other parts of society so that's why we want to try to give that to as many people as possible as possible and that they will also grow as as persons from that I see some of your comments and I like that you like the idea and the focus and that is a great idea and we do hope so too now we I thought we would I would like to invite you to to participate as well and as I don't know who are participating I look forward to to hearing your thoughts and I have prepared a few questions and here you can take the perspective that you have or that you would like to have so I've divided this into two topics to travel or to receive and if you take the perspective of traveling then what would you like to experience as a traveler what goals would you like to reach through such a grant or such a tour and what would you require in order to be able to participate is it time is it money is it knowledge is it a mentor is it support of any kind well what would you like to what would you require that's what I mean by that question and if you are a part of a user group or a chapter or any other group that could imagine imagining receiving people then what would you like to give to or receive from the travelers what ideas do you have there and what support would you need in order to to receive a participant so I thought we would split up into into breakout rooms and now that we are almost 50 people maybe we should do several groups if that's possible maybe three or or so and no let's see I was going to send the link to the ether pad yeah maybe that was it Lisa had posted it already what would be the average time a grant tour takes I would say maybe three or four weeks depending on how we do the planning and if it's possible for people are people seeing the breakout room invites now I see them staying here right now almost done some will go perfect great I stop sharing for now and I think I will post the or maybe you could do that Lisa if I post them in the chat maybe you could post them to the breakout rooms I think that's a possibility right I think I can broadcast to all of them yes oh yeah now they are in the chat and I look forward to also reading answers in the ether pad so please join the breakout rooms to discuss and Josephine I think you're in room three we'll be joining room three I'm happy to see there are a lot of you people participating um we are in breakout rooms or have been in breakout rooms answering these different questions and replying to them in this ether pad and I would very much like to encourage you to to give your answers to those questions as well that would be very nice to to think about and and incorporate into the planning and I see that there are some people writing currently and soon we will ask everyone to come back to the the main space does anyone have a question for me then please ask them in the chat and I will try to answer them it seems we have an issue that people cannot click or copy the link that's very unfortunate and it's just the link as an arrow you can maybe find it through through this wikimania page the program or the session page on top just underneath the green box it says sessions note note ether pad maybe you can click through that can you click Lisa can I ask you to close the the breakout rooms yep they should all be closed and everybody should be in the middle so everyone is back here now great um then um I'm looking at the ether pad even though I see that there are some issues I can still see that there has come a lot of interesting ideas uh and that people for example would like to experience hearing about uh projects um that um let's see uh about projects that uh did or did not work and why or so they would like to participate in a wiki event and they would like to network uh and expand the network uh and visiting others to see how they do maybe larger affiliates and also experience different cultures while learning from them and knowledge sharing uh and discuss the issues that arise and see if there are joint solutions but that's something that's a variety of things and it's very interesting to see the differences uh we also see that people would like to learn technical skills for tool use for example and also um learn the different skills of creating open source knowledge which is at the foundation of what we do actually um also find out what strategies they are adopting in solving the challenges the wiki media movement is facing uh and learn more about community building and acquire more skills and knowledge and what people would require in order to being able to participate is for example a babysitter uh travel support and grant or funding um and a babysitter isn't a bad idea actually um how do we as a movement also provide solutions for for parents to participate um and as receivers we see that there are several aspects here as well that they would like to share um hospitality for example and show a basic idea of how how a small wiki media chapter is run or receiving that that kind of information and also partnerships between different chapters of user groups and showing local part or local partners also taking part which is interesting and this etherpad will be open even after this session so please continue writing things and then I would like to thank all of you for participating here today the time has run out and uh well thank you so so much for uh being with us today