 Okay guys, welcome. So Yeah, we're here today the things this conference and we are present gonna present the thing that was Madrid community So we're gonna tell you what this is First of all let us present ourselves so I'm Mario I work at the moment a Sweeper to start up on we're working on providing customer service contextualize customer service for the connected home and also I'm a part for the the network Madrid. It's called TTN Madrid community here in Madrid when we are trying to build a public own IoT network here in Madrid, and here is TTM a dream member core team member and also you have owner of our camp of our company stirrup and actually are Very very focused on the TTN project here in Spain and we are talking about this project What is about TTN network and where's all that things involved on that community project, right? Wait, so that's us and this is the thing that was so To get your kick started. I'm gonna give you a quick Deep that I'm not deep but a quick dive about wireless technologies that what are people using in IoT and why This approach from the thing that was is a approach that we believe is a valid one and And the most appropriate one for the community network. So Yeah, you know, it couldn't be an IoT event without the typical hype slide here So, you know billions and trillions and cillians of connected devices and applications Smart cities and those tell you the blah blah blah So basically we have we're gonna have tons of devices at home or in the city to get connected and we have many options actually to achieve this Here are the technologies that are actually enabling this these scenarios the wireless ones. Okay, so here Let me explain you a bit. We are Just Picturing here these technologies comparing their bandwidth back by bandwidth. We meant how much data we can transmit And here is the range the coverage for this communication. So here I We are gonna be classifying these technologies in several groups this first group here. We are in a We are putting inside the Wi-Fi technologies and the 3d communications. So As you can see here For me with looking at the range the Wi-Fi is just on the left. So the range is short kind of 30 meters kind of stuff Then we have the 3d like it's a cellular communication. We have it everywhere here in our in our cities So the range can be but the bandwidth is actually quite parallel so we can do Netflix streaming Spotify We have very low latency. So it's really useful for some scenarios when we want some latency I don't know if we were for instance using this to track a race. I don't know deep racer race We have there in the in the hall or whatever race. We will need low. We will need low latency. So But what the thing with if we have great bang with a low latency the problem is the power but our consumption is really really high and We will need like a big battery to do this for instance typical connected vehicle connected cars solutions they're using this m2m solution the 2d 3d and Well, the battery for a car is a big one But if you don't manage it properly, you can leave the car Right there dead and you will not we don't want to be able to to actually get the car running So that's the problem with this a technology the the power here at the beginning we have the shortest range and Really low bang with this is the RFID NFC all these things you're having now in your in your wallet with your Apple pay or Google pay They are called contactless sometimes. There's some contact actually so it will be contact with or I don't know the The name but yeah, they think he is minimum range very limited data That's my car number or whatever ID also this running Stuff with the with the artist in there in the in the in the races are using this technology The good thing for this is you don't need any battery the car is just powered by itself with the radio So that's a good thing, but the use cases here are very limited Then we have something in the middle right there Is called is the sick be bluetooth and all these technologies bluetooth has quite some traction at the moment for IOT So technology I like really a lot But again, right here is a limit is a limit and factor if we are using a Bluetooth 5 for instance now is the technology of use in the blue today like the top Specification for Bluetooth. I have tested like ranges about 300 meters or so, which is pretty cool Power consumption is okay for bluetooth as well. So it's quite useful. But again this range Could maybe I don't know I can maybe track things here in the in the cinema and all in the venue here But no in a city or a bigger scenario. So that's the limiting factor here And then we have the our Now the technologies we're going to talk here. This is the long range. I Mean long range and low bandwidth here so here is the sick folks Laura and and narrow ban IOT and LTM that they are long range so we can achieve Kilometers range low power we can achieve several years of battery and Then we have the one problem because these things Don't come like a chip So in order to have this you have to compromise something and we compromises here is the limited bandwidth So we wouldn't be able to use this technology to Stream an Netflix video or watching YouTube or whatever. We're just gonna be able to send some events data I don't know Mike like a temperature has gone over a threshold or whatever Triggering an alarm things like that. So this is what this technology is for So hopefully now you have all these pictures of technologies together and you have a good understanding Sorry if I got to the technical, but I think it was necessary and now Angel is gonna ask you a question to Get started. Thank you So we are talking about Laura. Okay, Laura means long range the logic, but anybody here knows what is Laura exactly? Okay Two people. Yeah, two people only. Okay Laura once means long range and also I want to apply the name of low power consumption, right, but also is a kind of Radio frequency technology, right? So as Mario says we can send an amount of minimal Packets or very very little packets at least that 150 bytes this time and depends on this Okay, we cannot do or use that technology for for streaming video or streaming audio or whatever But we can use it for okay Send a little amount of data of remote sensors, right using this technology I'm going to kill in the next slide that about this technology of low of radio and Okay exactly Laura is Based on that thing. So first of them the range is here, right? It depends on the areas and maybe in European areas, maybe you can reach at least One or two kilometers depends of the places of the gateways and also of the of the nodes, right? But if you go to a rural environment, maybe you can go more further. Maybe okay 14 kilometers Sorry, 40 kilometers or more Normally a very less light of sight you can see where you are you can put it out with in inside the Gateway, right? This is one of best the most important things of this technology The other one is the low power the low power that That kind of devices. I'm going to explain the three kind Devices type ATP and tapes in the next slide, but normally the low power means that imagine a note That need to send a temperature maybe and this note wake up sense the temperature Data and then comes down to sleep for I don't know 20 meters half an hour or whatever so This kind of the knowledge to sleep the the nose helps too much to to get low power to use that batteries for four years, right? also, we can use Talking about gateways and getting the idea that the gateway is like a okay like Wi-Fi router that is not a Wi-Fi because using a technology lot of lot of technology he can receive and huge amount of data of different Thousands of devices maybe using a magical number of 65,000 whatever. I don't remember But yeah, more or less a can he can can manage that huge information for many different Sensors in the same time not not in the same time in different channels, right? But in the same in the same gateway, right? So this is an important thing Also is based on an open expectation on an open frequency that frequency depends of the areas in in Europe you are using 868 in the United States are using 1915 I think 433 yeah 433 in in Asia depends on the other places, but are little and narrow bands Specifications of frequency that you can use for free. We don't need to pay any any kind of royalty or any any anything's like a huge Operator, right? So this is a very very good thing also we can use for it, but We use that frequency Using maybe not not Okay, you you know that maybe there are another technologies using the same frequency to you are You need to use it Coleman right with without without all for you and the only thing on the log question to To the that just say that the thing is not good is also for the bandwidth. Okay. We don't try we don't we kind of send Brockless radio broadcast Video whatever but it's using for in this case maximum 15 kilobyte per second You can use it depends of the the the more that you are transmitting the data You maybe use more long packets, but at least I think no more than 150 or whatever, right depends of the if you use Maybe one packet of 150. Maybe is using Less time to send that data and maybe is not Getting far away that you're using 15 kilobytes and using more time in the in the in the time, right? so depends of the Decide of the packets go more for it or not. I'm talking about Laura one What we apply this one? Sophics to this word to Laura because Laura is a radio technology and Laura one is a kind of Protocols that network environment architecture based of a network layer, right when The part of the Laura that is a great the great one We have this different frequencies and the the regional ISM band and we can use depend of the place That this is the Laura and then we can select the kind of different type nodes The network capacity the battery consumption of this one and also the application to my data is going to do or is going to put it on in a in a in a panel or whatever, right? So Laura one is for key set to a network based upon Laura radio and butter, okay? So inside Laura one Some things to do to say one of them is there no association between another and again going Laura one Okay I have my sensor here and I got gateway over there and my sensor It can talk with that in sense Sorry with that gateway and send the data because I go to another place that a another Gateway using the same Laura one to knowledge and the same Laura one network server my data comes to data That gateway so it's not that you think that to the same gateway. Okay. Okay, imagine that we have One gateway here in Spain. I have another gateway in another place. Maybe you came the same the same Note will send data in both gatequests, right? Okay, all the network is able to control duplicate data security notifications, whatever Okay, so we are not worried about that and also no handover we're running we can move with this with this note and Actually depends of the in the new notes also can switch to different frequencies the new ones, right? But you can move around the round around the globe and with the new ones know we can select a TCA so 1915 or whatever Okay, talking about the notes. We have three types of notes no a and no B and no C Most important thing is the note 8 is more focused on battery efficiency, right? So this is a kind of know that wake ups send it out and go to sleep for the next time a You similar one also is useful to send that and also to receive data, but it's more focused to send that so imagine that We can change the the time it's time that No need to send the temperature imagine that the no temperature is sending one hour, and I want to change to send at 15 minutes, okay, and mode a when the node send the temperature Before go to sleep. He gets maybe two seconds listening for something and this listening for something It may be something packaged to me and this space is when that data comes to me and they say hey Change your mind and the next one time try to send the temperature. It's 15 Minutes times, right? So this is the the this is the focus of the functionality of that notes Then in mode a more B is the same But the listening time is in in different in in timetables and in pretty fine in timetables between the gateways and the node so start maybe to wake up not to say nothing but maybe to wake up to listen something and then go to sleep, right? and the note C is the worst in the cases of Energy efficiency because it's always sent is listen to continuously imagine a Balbona to actor or whatever, okay? This must be always wake up to know if it's any kind of of data to Open the bubble or not. So this may be a classy node, right? I'm talking about a little bit about the network We have here on that side the end note and we have for petrifying water meters stress containers vending machines gas monitoring temperature whatever Those nodes talks with different Concentrators or the gateways, but baby can be put in Around the an area or around your country or whatever Those concentrator get we send that data and here it starts a dual K per change Encrypted one of that K per change is to encrypt the communication with never server and the other K per change is to Encrypt the communication with the application server Okay, so I do dual encryption to to know to that to that packet, right? What are the things network? Okay, the fish network is an internet of things network For all by all is like an open network like an upper network for the cities and that you can use that network for our own projects, right? and it's made it for this so this starts in Amsterdam in the year two and fifteen i'm going to show you a video for the For the guys that started the things the things network listen, please message imagine an internet of things data network that's created by the people and free and open for everyone to use That's our mission at the things network. We are a group of people that is building a global crowdsourced open Free internet of things data network new technologies allow for things to connect to the internet without bluetooth 3g or wi-fi this technology is called laura one It's very battery efficient. So devices can last up to three years It's long range. It has a reach of around 10 kilometers and slow bandwidth ideal for the internet of things The good thing is that this network can be built at a fraction of the cost of traditional mobile data networks The bandwidth used by laura one is open and the network equipment is low cost In the old world building such a network was up to large corporations We built the network ground up funded by its users So with a small group of people it's possible to provide data connectivity for entire city It's our mission to support that globally The city of amsterdam was covered in four weeks and use cases were built on top of that starting from the first day We believe the abundance in internet of things data connectivity We're providing result in exponential innovation in the internet of things. You are the network. Let's build this thing together Thank you So, uh, it's everything starts in absurden with that guy and another another guy with him together and in a few weeks They have coverage all the central laster around with that gateways to start meeting community projects, right? So We are the network. Let's going to build the things together. This is the main message of of this of this of this The things network, right? Yeah, here the vision is The idea to create a decentralized network an independent in internet of things network Where the people are the owners at the own operator at the same time. So you buy Getaway you put it on your gateway with internet connection and you are the owner of that gateway and you are the property and property of that gateway and you uh Maintain that gateway that everything every time it go ups without Interventions, right to to to serve to the other guys that are the things network to use his own notes in joke gateway or across your gateway Well, this is the idea the basic idea and very important thing here on these three things One of them that is the data is your data so I can send from here my temperature to Get it at a strata data to to to put it on my database and do what would you draw in on grafana or whatever And my data is my data if I don't collect that data that data lose the data goes out nobody Do nothing with my data and also the encryption Is only for me all for my applications. So I am the own responsible of the my data, right? This is a very good thing nobody Plays with your data now if you don't get that data you lose that data It doesn't matter that you're using a gateway that you set up yourself or using a gateway from the community It's all the all your information is going through the cloud from the end to the the network community infrastructure And then you consume it in your application You don't you don't have access to even though even you if you own a gateway and you can see the traffic You won't you won't be able to this be encrypted Yeah, because it's encrypted by another guy without keys, right Also the network neutrality No companies are changing them the way to to made or to to create or to maintain that network, right? And it's because this is open source to open source that to Base it also in software open source software To to get everything open to maintain and to make changes with no with no privacy Right and to collaborating together to make this project alive Okay There was a kick started in 2015 and They can he can reach at at least 300 Thousand euros and with that money he just start to create a basic ttn That gateway at ttn nodes. This is the The first ttn node that they create and also the the things in gateway and also In a in an Arduino format on an Arduino platform It's also creating with a radio base it on Lara one to start to make some Okay to start Learning platforms or whatever to start to work with this with this with this The things that work right and also with all the community infrastructure for the network servers and whatever And also the global impact this is starting after them but So much communities like our community here in Madrid and in another country in another cities are starting The things networks in a the things network Madrid France, Paris, whatever new york in around the world And that's very good Because you can use your own nodes in every world As as you are closer. Yeah worldwide. Are you close to a the things network gateway? Your device will work, right? And now we are going to use to talk about some use cases. Mario Yeah, just to give you a quick video about possible use cases that people are building with this technology For instance these pretty birds here. They were part of the initial deployment in Amsterdam So basically what we are doing here is they were measuring the air quality They were with an air quality management project and why why did they choose lower one for this? One because the temperature does not vary Very quickly. So you don't need to start to keep measuring this This magnitude all the time. You don't need you don't need latency for this. So this is perfect for for lower one But the lifetime is also key You won't be able to get up there in the traffic lights or wherever they're pretty placed to change batteries every week That will be feasible Also, it's very specific. This is cases only an uplink going up to the platform sending the temperature You don't need to change anything to download. So this is a perfect scenario for lower one Another one kind of the same same scenario as up linking messages. This was doing in Oxford Oxford area in the United Kingdom So you in using an ultrasound sensor in the river zones They were measuring Detecting overflow or the rivers when they were Having some storms and some running and they are we are saving this data and this within the thinnest world infrastructure They were building this dashboard for people to send alerts and stuff Here is a use case. We are very devoted here in the communities our our use case here in Spain is the Not in Europe, but in Spain we normally live in condos and communities. So It would be a perfect scenario for deployment having a gateway for the community and then having the smart communities Like a mini mini smart city here. Actually, you can sense the pool the lighting the security and stuff again long battery lifetime and really cost efficient project like I don't know 200 euros for a gateway then communications are free as we said no SIM card no no taxes Smart parking solutions again. Even three were important. I have very long back low bandwidth I need to send us an event. It's a car over me. There's no a car. There's a park place available Long battery lifetime same again Pet finder here. We can also do some stuff as Angel told you with no C for instance, we can we can just embed a GPS inside the The sensor and we can whenever we detect that my dog is apart from me I can trigger I can just enable GPS On demand and it can start sending GPS positions so I can locate them I can understand even this this use case to elderly care or whatever. So it's another use case I'm basically anything so As we say here a public network owned by citizens will be able to deliver high impact and high value use cases So this is a network built by citizens for citizens. So wherever you can imagine We are open to you because we are really starving for use cases here. We know about technology We are missing some use cases. So I invite you guys to come to us come to us with your use case So let's see. Let's see what we can build together You've already cool to monitor in Mobile gateways, maybe in the city if we get an agreement with a council we can get I don't know gateways in buses in waste trucks, whatever So we can get like dynamic coverage maps in the city. That would be awesome Also in remote areas and rural spaces touch the best for Laura one if I go in the middle of the desert I don't have any any communication there. I don't have an oil and gas plant over there I don't have any communication. Maybe a satellite backhaul. I can go there. Just put my gateway in the middle I can get 100 kilometers because there's nothing in the desert and then I can have a satellite satellite Backhaul or whatever. So it's I'm actually your your own case. I'll be here So I invite you guys to come on to us. We will give you some of our some of the places you can find us So, yeah, I'm gonna speed things up. We are getting running out of time. So I want to tell you about the things conference 2018 This is happening yearly in Amsterdam These guys the guys you saw in the video are conducting this conference where all people are talking about Laura one and you know funny stuff This is the current status. They started in 2015 at San Jose covering city of Amsterdam in four weeks. Now they have 91,000 members Almost 10,000 gateways and they are they have presence in these countries. This is the community network built at the moment Okay, I just may see there Europe is pretty crowded in Spain. We are still getting there, but It's it's it's quite amazing. I think And yeah, the I will show you a quick video about the conference and what this has become in four years time Okay, please We need to rethink security And we're super super excited about this product And so imagine the use cases you can drive with this single piece of artwork And a lot of fun as well. It's good to see lots of solutions. Whereas I think in in prior conferences. There's been lots of technology And we're super excited for launching these gateways around the world It's even more exciting is that we're gonna do this as an extremely disruptively low price rate And that's why we are going to help you by providing lower vent connectivity of satellite We're standing on the shoulders of giant All the things conference has been amazing We've really enjoyed a lot and very inspiring conversations with a lot of the community. We're really looking forward to next year There's one more thing we're giving away 800 of these gateways to everybody here Yeah, you can see now what the This movement has become so it's quite amazing what people can do when they get together and they agree to something So here it was the content of the last year's conference the conference This year's happening in january as you may see So, yeah, they released a new stack open source again with some cool features of technology I'm not gonna bore you bore you with that at the moment I'm gonna tell you about what what for me for us was the more Most interesting topics here in the conference. There was this guy appearing on the video Thomas telcom from lacuna space. That's a startup doing a satellite deployment for lower communications It's quite amazing. As I said actually what our tests show that if you can actually see The gateway from here Maybe you can you won't see because of your eyes But if it's there and it's nothing in the middle you have line outside you can you get communication. So This guy is telling us that Normally our our iot applications are being deployed here in the cities This where we live is all this color area Like we have 2g 3g 4g wi-fi 6-force lora, whatever That's easy, but their their their mission is to get coverage in the white space in the map I think that it is on purpose because everything is quite white Yeah, that's that's the objective. So How what are you doing here that you seen low Earth orbit satellites that are this a big big hype on this at the moment They are very cheap to launch like I don't know 50 000 euros maybe a bit more And yeah, they just put a gateway there. They just So these satellites to the space and then you get coverage. It's amazing. It's like 600 kilometers And you still get coverage You may see this typing machine there They were receiving data from the space and actually doing the the printing the message quite impressive the For a day a satellite in these orbits that Does two times a cycle on the on earth So that means you can you may be able to deliver two packets. I mean two transmissions per day With only one satellite. That's quite impressive. I think Actually, it's getting really busy this orbit because everyone is now launching satellites Forgetting, but I think it's a really interesting use case. So basically they are doing They're putting that you have to hear their note. You have the satellite you get the lower wonder Then they have some relay relays here in the on earth and then you have a platform connected to the thinner course Or under another one provider So this was pretty interesting another thing they were doing is geolocation in in holand in netherlands. They have this kpm in one of the first telcos worldwide and deploying a national wide Lora one network. They have all of these gateways And they are using trilateration technologies to I mean measuring the time differential for rival of this for the signal They are doing this trilateration operation just to determine location for the node without using gps Which is which has some really huge impact on battery lifetime and net and node cost So this is the results to me. They are really optimistic I think in the netherlands. They don't have many buildings as here. So amstradam is quite flat and So they have these Percentes of our success, which is they are able to locate 95 percent of the nodes With an accuracy of 100 meters or less, which is quite impressive here This is for for high rise of building environments This would be more or less our measures here in madrid. Maybe more I think this is very optimistic But it's a way to go just to provide you with a course geolocation without gps using just lora one radio So yeah, you can get a an accuracy between 500 meters and 500 meters with SSI levels You know the quality of signal strength the longer the weakest and then when you are getting closer You can use the you have many gateways as they have in the network. You can just compute The time the the signal takes to reach the gateway and then subtract it and then they do this trilateration measurement And then the last one is this guy Paul McManus Is he started MEST IoT? It's a company there in in australia based entirely on the thin networks and the thin industry That is the business branch of the thin networks. They are working with australian councils Basically the business model is building a poc using open source and the community environment They are also running on partners for nodes and then he's just going crazy and selling stuff in australia And if they like it, they are building You know a service with slas and stuff over the thin industries So they're doing really really amazing things in these councils in australia. They are promoting stem skills for for kids They are engaging communities raising awareness level on technology same thing we do here as well in the ttn madrid community they have packs counter and tools with for for councils and they have for some agriculture city Applications, etc So this is what the world is doing and the community is doing in the world worldwide With a big growth and avangel is gonna tell you what they're doing here also in spain And because we are really proud of we have achieved in these four years as well Okay, thanks mario. Yeah in the things that were here in ttn connected community here in madrid Actually, we are approaching reaching to 140 contributors here in madrid and with a proxies madrid 38 40 Get quiz also here in madrid and the community area of madrid And very very huge and very very active community Uh, or our main things actually are okay. One of them. This is priest avoid to try to Talk with this and get all the knowledge of all people to know. What is this? Also trainings also helping consultants and companies and also Doing and helping little deployments to uh, to people that start to use that Network here in in madrid and different projects, right? Uh, our community is a reference now here in spain. We I think is we are the big one right here in spain, right? Yes, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, and uh, okay. We'll show that our ranking worldwide. Yes, of course And also, okay doing work work jobs by mating nodes also workshops for mating get ways We thought we reached Actually close into 900 followers on twitter and okay mario here talking in google In google campus last year. I remember a few months ago. Yeah, too much. Yeah, I don't I don't I don't remember And in the middle one of the above thing was the first record Interestial lower one here in spain one of our very active guys in galileo Comes to la bola el mundo here in madrid with uh with a note and he could reach a gateway that is in the salamanca city across more or less Near of 140 kilometers directly connecting Using 20 millibots. Imagine that you can open your Garage door with you with your remote in 100 in 100 kilometers. It's the same thing, right? It's also amazing and that guy He he launched an elium Balloon to the stratosphere up to 30 kilometers Yeah, 33 300 000 kilometers stop and reach the world Level the world record level reaching Distance of closing 800 kilometers to From the area from the area from the saragossa from saragossa are reaching a gateway in lisbon in portugal Yeah It's awesome. Okay. We are actually the fourth contribution City in in in the top in the top 10, right? Um And we participate in some summer events here in 19 in the in the 2019 We are based in a medial up rado here in madrid close to It's not in that ocean and we have in spain and we meet weekly every every friday talking of use cases installations Whatever We can share with this with you. So please you can Work on everything everybody to come with us Also working with companies and preparing hack days Starting with and in this case with picon using their notes and configuring with the things network also in at first intelligence international forum of citizenship and tiencia ciudadana A workshop of of of Doing no sensors, right? Also, that's a chamber. I have at least Eight to ten paths. Okay The same thing is playing the system and doing different labs with nodes with with gateways Etc Also helping to present the first nascent a lot of one operator here in spain that this redxia network is a A company based to offer a Lot of one a network in a in a in a In a yeah, like like a things network exactly. Okay Okay, also helping enforce a set that is very variation because That guy julian is one of the companies to start up a little Micro satellite The next in five days I don't think to to launch from new Zealand in five days to launch this handmade Micro satellite to this Okay, to the space to starting to send data in lora in lora Frequencies, right? We had the pleasure to be with him in a conference. Yes, when you need him live to our conference in In the media lab prado and this guy julian is amazing. He is like he's 17 years He's a brilliant man and it's amazing to see all this all this power here in the in the community in spain So you want to join with us? Please you can follow us on twitter. Also, we have a slack to you can contact with us on the slack Also, we have a meetup. This is the url for meetup and We are open to everybody to start to Make that community more bigger and and and from from everybody, right? Yes, so I think we are in time Do you want to okay? Do you have any kind of any questions or whatever? Thank you. Also. Thank you for your coming for your patience. Yeah, also for your patience No Yes Okay, thank you Thanks Thank you very much How do you see the development of the narrow band iot? Like do you see it like a competitor like an opportunity? Yeah, good question It's a complication because no one iot is is working in another different band and it's more maybe focus on offer Business case a case of use, right? Because a narrow band iot is used by big telcos and you see the frequency of the big telcos and this is uh Using another technology that is not narrow band that is a lot of one and is using another different Frequency so I think it's a complication It's not a competitor. It's my opinion. Yeah, I agree with you depending on the use case Yeah, you may use one on the order you can combine both also also depends on your Service level agreement what you want to achieve Normally narrow band iot networks are going to be backed by huge telcos and businesses So this is more like what we are doing here is a community effort And and a community and raising the the knowledge also these guys from radexia. They are building this Lera one operator. They are the drivers from the narrow band iot I will say I will add also that narrow band iot deployment is going a bit slow But actually that's that's expected. That's to be expected because they are building something like professor Really professional. Yeah, I think it's a mobile is growing on them and right. Yeah, I think basically in demand. Yes. It's on basic on them and right More questions Okay Yes, please distance okay As you said, um lora is designed for to work with long range. Yeah Very low But they need it exactly so but I guess the gateway is a different thing. You need a power chain Exactly and you need that exactly So my question is pretty simple. Is there any way to A kind of hardware hardware to repeat the signal to to the final gateway. Imagine you are talking about cities So the power of electricity is accommodated Yeah, but thinking in a rural in in a rural environment. Is there any way from A Lora device to send the signal to another Another lora device that works like a repeater to send the signal to a final gateway very very good question You are talking like a mesh network do it but lora, right? Yeah a kind of right? Yes, you can do it but with lora not with lora one You were just on point in your question using lora and lora one exactly this network is lora one and this is this You couldn't be able to do that with the thin network. This is lora one if you remember this Network graphic we sold over here with the nodes here and the gateways There is no communication between nodes. That's what you're proposing But you can use lora as a physical layer. Yes, of course And build as any any protocol on top maybe doing a repeater for example this company We mentioned the picon one. They have a this called pymes. Yeah, and they are doing Kind of the same you're proposing as using like a like a network transport You can use lora only lora to make an a mesh network I mean one of them repeat all that traffic too directly a lora one Gateway or whatever, you know, maybe it's I don't know if we We start to your question, right? Yeah, thank you. Also, if these guys with the satellites are Are actually doing their work you will be able to just use the satellite More questions No, anyone of you is coming to our Weekly meetings. Yeah, we are now going outside taking a beer if you want to discuss with us anything Thank you for much for coming here