 In this episode of Mind Pump, the guys talk about a piece of equipment you're probably not using in the gym that can really help you improve your gains. Also they discuss a toothpaste that can rebuild your teeth, as well as many other topics. In the second half of the episode they answer four questions from Instagram, such as, Hey, I'm having a hard time getting through my maps program, is it the right program for me? And also, what is the difference between discipline and motivation? Discipline increases the amount of times you get motivated. So if you like motivation, one of the best ways to get that feeling of motivation to occur more often is to be disciplined. Finally, if you want short clips from the show, go to our YouTube channel, Mind Pump Clips, and subscribe. Alright, here comes the show. One of the most valuable pieces of technology that can dramatically improve the success of your workouts is also easily one of the most underutilized. Here's the kicker. It's been around forever. You guys want to guess what it is? It's a piece of tech and it's been around forever. It's been around for a long time. Long time meaning like 50 plus years, not like 100 years. Long time. Is it a trick question or real? I got it. No, it's real. The mirror. No, it's not really tech. Well, I mean, it depends on how far it could be considered tech hundreds of years ago. Everything's tech. The wheel. Yeah, exactly. Fire. Are we going 50 plus years? 100 plus years? No, no, no. How about just, let's go in our careers. It was used before that, but on our careers. Okay, so okay. I'll give you a clue. You guys have figured out. We trainers used them all the time when we were trainers. You always had one of these on you when you train clients. Clipboard. Stopwatch. Thank you. Yeah, stopwatch. So, you know, here's what's interesting and I'm telling you, try this out. And I did it this morning while I was working out. So I've been trying to be consistent with rest periods, whether it's 30 seconds, a minute, three minutes, and I'm also trying to stay present in my workout because I have a tendency to want to go on my phone, either text or read or do stuff like that. And I noticed when I'm present in the workout, I have much better workouts. And I also noticed when I can pay attention to the rest periods, I either A, if it's a long rest period, sometimes I'll rest too short. So if I know I'm doing a strength cycle, I'm doing three minutes. Sometimes I'll probably rest two minutes or a minute and a half because I feel like I'm ready. Or especially if I'm doing a 30 second rest, I think I rested 30 seconds. It was more like a minute or a minute and a half. So I brought my stopwatch today and I said, I'm going to do 30 second rest in between sets. I'm going light and trying to go for a pump. And that stopwatch hit it, watch the time, 30 seconds do my set, hit it, watch the time. I'm so present in the workout and my sets are consistently 30 seconds apart. And I can see the value of this for people who have trouble resting enough time. Like we've all had those clients where it's like, no, we're going to rest two minutes in between sets. And they're like, what do I do in between? Do I do jumping jacks? It's like, no, no, you got to rest. Let your... It's good for people with ADD. It's good for... And a lot of people have ADD. This used to be my favorite hack when I would get a client who had been training for extended period of time, right? So years of experience already. And they're hiring me because they were in a plateau. One of my favorite things to do is to just assess... We talk a lot about this and we just talked recently on the show about how people identify with a type of modality, right? So are you the circuit training person? Are you the crossfit person? Are you the power lifter, the bodybuilder? And typically when you identify with that type of a person the way you lift, you also tend to keep the rest periods like that all the time. So and then my favorite thing to do to show them quick results would be to take them on the opposite extreme. So if I got the soccer mom who loves all the circuit classes and there's like no rest periods, it's like nonstop lifting, like the body pump type of classes, the orange theories, I love to take her through a powerlifting cycle where I'm making her rest for three minutes. And how hard is it for her? So hard. If you didn't have a stopwatch, if she didn't have a stopwatch, would she even rest three minutes? No, no. And then you also have to teach them how to like lift heavier because they're so used to lifting light weight all the time. And then the opposite is true, right? I get somebody who is a power lifter and just loves to lift super heavy, but then now wants to change body composition, wants to get leaner. And, you know, it's been training consistently for a long time. Again, it says they're training. Oh, look, they've rest three minutes plus all time. Put them on a 30 second rest period and be consistent with it and watch how their body changes. Easy hack. It's one of the best factors within programming that you can change. It's very simple. That changes the whole workout. Why? Well, let me break it down. Number one, obviously changing rest periods changes how your body adapts, changes the focus of the exercise, changes the feel, you know, you either get more strength stamina or you get more just grinding strength. You get a better pump, whatever, right? But besides that, shortening or lengthening rest periods also changes how you do the exercise and the amount of weight that you use. Oh, yeah. Like today I was doing 30 second rest and to give you guys some examples. So I go do incline barbell press, which if I'm doing my, my heavy work sets, I'm going anywhere between, I don't know, around 225 is probably what I'm going to stick to low reps, right? Like five reps, something like that. Today I'm like, I'm going to do 30 second rest in between 135 is what I had to work with because with that 30 second after I did, like once I got to the fourth or fifth set, like 30 seconds was a good rest period. And I was getting good, uh, you know, my reps weren't super high at that particular point, right? So the shortening of the rest periods forced me to go lighter, forced me to feel the muscle, forced me to focus on the pump. The long rest periods is the opposite. All of a sudden, but like those clients that you're talking about, Adam, the ones that just are so used to circuits, so used to hit training. When I'd have them rest longer, they couldn't, they had to readjust the weight because it had to use more. I mean, I'd say that that's the biggest challenge of this tip. And I think why so many people don't do it is because it also messes with their, their, their weight, like what they choose to put on the bar. Right. And what it, okay. If I, again, we're just, we're picking on a specific avatar, but there's plenty of people that fit in these categories. So, you know, the soccer mom, one of the greatest challenges, aside from getting her to rest longer, would be also to convince her she can do more, you can do more. I promise you, I'm watching your form. I'm watching how you're moving this way. We can do, so that's also that part. And vice versa, the meathead guy who loves, you know, bench pressing, 275 plus. And now all of a sudden he's going to put 135 on the bar. It's a mental fuck on both sides. And so it's not just, oh, let's switch your rest periods. Because what I would see when you would tell someone that is they do it and they never stick with it because it messes with their ego because they're so used to training also await a certain way that they would, they would abandon the tip. So you have to, you have to stick with it. It's phenomenal. Literally in a stop, I bought one on Amazon for less than 10 bucks. I mean, they're cheap and I got it in the mail yesterday. And so I brought it to work and literally is what you do. You say, okay, today's workout, I'm going to go for a 60 second rest in between sets, which by the way, 30, 60 seconds is faster than you think. So I go, I'm going to do, for me, it was 30 seconds. So I'm, I said, okay, I'm going to do 30 second rest. I literally hit the stopwatch when it was time to rest, hit it when it was 30 and did my set. If I didn't do that, and I'm feeling how I'm feeling, like throughout the workout, if I didn't do that, it would have easily stretched to 60 and 90 seconds without me realizing it because time, part of, part of the thing with time and being accurate with time is we perceive it differently. The more tired you are or I get distracted, time moves faster or slower. Look, I think Einstein has a famous quote where he says, you know, about the theory of relativity made a joke and he said, yeah, you want to see how fast time goes sit next to a beautiful woman and have a conversation with her and time flies by, right? Or do something that you hate and you can see how slow time. So our perception of time gets very easily distorted. So whatever you time period of rest you want to set, bring it, stopwatch your workout, set it, do your thing, set it, do your thing and stay consistent with the workout and tell me at the end of the workout that you don't feel a difference. Did Einstein really say that about a hot chick? He did. He didn't say hot chick though. He said a beautiful woman or something like that. I didn't even know that. Maybe Doug could find that. I was actually pretty funny. I never heard that. I've never heard that before. Kevin, you know, this is all so sorry, Justin. No, I won't just let you guys talk. No, no, it's fine. Keep going. Remember when we talked off arrow? We're going to do that one day. Is this the day you guys are just trying to single me out and be like, yeah, see you later. We got an hour later just as it got worded. No, I just wanted to finish on the close the loop on what Sal was saying, because you've heard me on the podcast before talk. Well, I've got a lot of flak for the group, the group X thing, which should die. The second thing I got a lot of flak for was a workout partners terrible to have a workout partner. And a lot of people disagree with that for the motivation and the spot and all this bullshit consistency to get there. But this is one of the reasons why I didn't like a workout partner and why I think they can be, they can be detrimental to a lot of people is because when you have somebody else, it's really difficult to do the time thing. Have you ever tried to do a time thing with them? You can't. The only way it works is you three minute rest. That's right. And the only way it works is if you're both like in the same rest period in that time, that phase of your training during that month or whatever like that, and you don't talk and you don't talk and you just take turns and then that matches the time. It's like, but like, who does that? Anybody who works out with someone, bullshits in between gets distracted. It's like, you're not sticking to your programming that way, which is another one of the main reasons why I never liked a workout partners because I did manipulate this and I do know what a big difference it makes when you're consistent with it. You stick to it. Yeah, I haven't messed. So the stop clock, I mean, that makes perfect sense for rest periods. The cool part is now that they have those gym digital clocks that have the second hand. So I tend to use that for rest periods, but also to if you have one, you know, available to look and refer to that when you're doing isometric holds. I'll do 15 to 30 second holds and like just real dialed in on that instead of just trying to count it in my head, but totally changes the entire feel of the work out. Yeah, and then the other part of it, which this may sound weird to some people until you try it and then you'll be like, oh, OK, I can see a difference is it keeps you in the workout. Yeah, it keeps you present. Now, one of the things I love about strength training is it's the most present form of one of the most present forms of exercise that you could possibly do when you're doing the exercise. So when you're doing a set with strength training, you got to be very, you got to be there, especially if you're going heavy, unlike other forms of exercise, where if you're just doing the same thing over and over, you're running our treadmill or on elliptical and you can kind of get lost in your thoughts because it's repetitive. With strength training, it's harder to do, especially if you lift heavy. So I love that about it, but the part where it gets screwed up is in between the sets. This is where we start to go off and we're not present. And with the invent of smartphones, that really messes the whole thing up. And I never really thought about it because I have my smartphone. I'm on there, I'm working, I'm doing stuff in between, I'm reading. Never really thought about it until not that long ago. I thought, man, I remember, oh, you know what it was? I was watching old bodybuilding videos and as I'm watching them, I realized something like there's no music in the gym when they're working out. Like back in the day when Arnold used to work out in the 70s, they didn't play music. That was until like a little later. It was like the 90s. Yeah. All you hear was. Yeah. They're just, people are just. I'm good with music. They're just, I'm not saying I'm against music, but they're just training. I remember thinking like, man, they had nothing but the workout, like how present they must have had to be. And as I'm watching the video. They're very focused. And as I'm watching, because I'm watching in the background because I love old exercise equipment. So I pause the video and I'm looking at it. I'm like, man, look at all that old equipment. And I'm like, nobody's talking to each other. They're all just trained. They're all super present. I'm like, you know, I used to do that when I'd work out. There wasn't anything for me to focus on other than my workout. So let me try that. So I did it with my phone where I put it in my pocket and I'm like, I'm not touching it. Made a huge difference. Stopwatch does it to another level. Cause I'm literally there. You know, I'm focused on the rest or I'm focused on the lift. And I mean that 45 minute to hour workout is like so present. And you're, and that's going to reflect on your, on the psychology around the workouts and how you feel. Oh boy, we're back. Here's the giveaway for today. Maps Power Lift. This is a power lifter program. Get you strong at the bench press, the deadlift and the squat. And you can get it for free. Here's how you can win. Leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop this video. Subscribe to this channel, turn on notifications, do all of those things. If we like your comment, we'll notify you in the comment section that you won free access to math power lift. Also, we got a sale going on right now that ends in 48 hours. Two days left for the following sale. Skinny guy bundle 50% off. Look at all those amazing programs. Half off. And the fit mom bundle. That's also 50% off. Again, remember they're all ending in 20, excuse me, in 48 hours. So take advantage right now. If you want to learn more or sign up, click on the link at the top of the description below to get the discount and to get signed up. All right. Here comes the show. I wish they still made iPods. I used to have this one that was just loaded with like workout songs. And so it was like, there was no distraction of the phone to kind of interrupt that. And then you had like your hood and everything. Like you'd go in like on those heavy days and you just were just all about business. And I haven't got back to that in a long time. But that was like the biggest hack for me was like making sure like I had that all loaded up and it was ready to go. And there was nothing else that was going to interrupt it. Did they get rid of iPods completely or they don't have like a little show? You can get an MP3 player. The little show, do they? You can get an MP3 player. Like not on Amazon, that's old. Like new. No, like a new, like they're cheap. Just get, I know, cause that's what I did. I looked online cause that's what I was going to do. That's the move. I feel like that's the hack. Yeah, the reason why I didn't do it is because I have a pregnant wife and a baby. I'm like, ugh, something happens. You know, I know me. I'm gonna start like. That stuff is making a comeback right now, right? So I just saw our friend Max Lugavere actually post. He, I think he's either partnered with or maybe he was just doing a shout out. I don't know if he was, if he's officially partnered but there's like these iPads or notes that he has this digital notepad. That just does that. That just does that. Has no apps. I think that's the future. I do too. I think more and more. Cause we were too distracted. I think more and more people are recognizing that they are. And yes, for convenience, it's nice to have everything on your phone but then for distraction, it's not. No, it's not. Look how cheap it is. 19 bucks, you could get one. No way. Yeah. Now those are all old though, Sal, right? No, they're not iPads. Those used Doug or brand new? No, brand new. They're just, they're just like the new headphones. It's like, good luck connecting them. Yeah. Like unless they have like ports for the new. Now what sucks about this dough is, so like, I wonder if they, do they make any that like have like Spotify built into them? Do we're like, cause. Yes. Oh, they do. Yeah. So you could get on and have a screening music. Oh, that's all for sure. Getting one now. Yeah. That's a lot. I think the really cheap ones are just music you upload. Yeah. Which that would be a pain in the ass for me cause I don't even have, I don't even have any. I don't even know how to do that. I don't. How do I do this? You never did Napster or anything? Dude, Napster? It was huge. Okay. So college camps, we would spend in between every class we'd go into one of my friend's like common areas and we had a computer set up and every single guy would just think of like bands and download. We got up to thousands. It was like over 5,000 bands, just their entire catalog. Just stealing. Just stealing. Yes. Putting it on a little. I mean, we did all that, so we don't have to say. But we all lost it now. It's like, you know, irrelevant now. My son knows how to get to all those sites cause now they do that with movies. Yeah, they do with movies. He's like, dude, he goes, I'm like, oh, movies out, let's go to the movies. Like, well, we can watch it online. I'm like, huh? Yeah. And he says the first version is always someone recording it. It sucks. But then he says, very quickly, within a week, they have a digital version. It's still degraded. At least, yes, I have. I have. In fact, when we first started this podcast, and he was you who got one of us on trying to do that. And I remember like going home and like all excited. And then we watched them. Was it the fire stick or something? Yeah, some bullshit. Yeah, those stuff, my sister and them are all into that. I'm like, dude, that's, I, so. It's like unprotected sex. I'm one of those guys who pays the extra amount of money for your TV to be like the best, right? Like you can go get my same TV, same size, same brand even for half the price. But I'm paying for, I want the purest quality. Same here. I don't give a shit. I'll pay for it. Yeah, yeah. So I thought, you know, the stealing, you guys just reminded me. So there wasn't even my notes to talk about it. But I watched this documentary last night and I can't give the name. It's a Netflix documentary that's trending right now, so maybe it can help me or Andrew can help me. Oh, he found the quote for Mind's Time right now, also. Oh, well, yeah, what is it? It says, sit with a pretty girl for an hour and something like it feels like. It feels like a minute, sit on a hot stove for a minute and it feels like an hour. That's a funny. That's how he explained the relativity. That's so great. So this documentary is about these two kids that basically, and they were the ones that like really started. So everyone knows now and that I'm sure that it's because of these two kids. Like about posting online, like when you're leaving your house for a week or doing stuff like that, like how stupid that is. Because they are the ones that made this popular and they actually did this to all famous people first. So this was a really popular. This happened in Hollywood. What do you mean they did this first? They were like, this was my space. My space hit the scene. But like in beginning of Facebook era, Paris Hilton's, I forget all the other all the people they hit, they hit Paris Hilton's house like 18 times. Broke into it? Yes. And she had so much shit in her room, so much money in her purses and shit laying around that they were smart. They didn't like rob like a million dollars with a jewelry out of their safe. They would just take all this like a couple thousand dollars. Yeah, that she wouldn't even realize wouldn't even realize and wouldn't even report. And they kept coming back and kept coming back. And all they would all they would do is they'd watch these celebrities. She's so stupid. Where's my bag? They would they would watch these celebrities when they would and they started with like reality star celebrities and they worked their way up to like A list celebrities. And they would wait until they were, you know, posting about being in Miami for the week or like that. They would go to their house and then and then here's a crazy part. They wouldn't even break in. They would just they would do this to so many houses in this rich neighborhood that so so many people would leave their their doors unlocked, a slider open. Just one key under the mat. Yeah, just walk in. They got away with this for, okay, 13 years. What's it called? The bling ring, bling ring. Yes, bling ring. Fascinating story. I thought I had seven thousand dollars. They were they were getting away for this for for 13 years. This would never work for my dad's house. They were. Hey, listen, my dad, literally, my dad would be like, there was seven dimes here. Yeah, there was still they were still from the rich. That's why they got away with it six dimes. One dime is missing. Where'd it go? They did this. This they started this in high school. They were doing this in high school. These these kids were doing smart. They're missing this. Dime their way. They would go down the neighborhood. One of the the girl would hang or he would drive and they go down like, you know, Hollywood Hills. Yeah. And they would drive along all these freaking sick cars and a Porsche's. Be of the and she would just reach her hand out and just keep trying a door handle until finally a door handle would open. And they would just go in there, rifle through all the stuff, steal whatever's in the glove box. And then I mean, they were doing this forever eventually hit a Porsche that had left the keys in there. She stills the Porsche. They got the smarts to go and put like the dealer plates when you buy a new car on there. They drove it to high school all year. All year. Roll up to with their fucking stolen Porsche to high school every day with their dealer plates. Wow. The balls. Bro, it's a crazy. Did they get caught? Obviously. I so I actually don't remember how the ending. I don't know what I was doing. Why I don't remember how they got. Oh, no, it's a series. That's why I didn't finish it. I think I'm on like the second episode or third episode right now of it. And it's super fascinating that these kids got away with this. Have you seen so long? I don't know what country it's in because this wouldn't fly here, but it was somewhere where there's a lot of theft and especially wealthy people will get like robbed or whatever where they they literally installed flamethrowers the car where someone's trying to. What? Yeah. Flamethrowers. Yeah, like somebody trying to break in or carry a whole car down. No, you push a button and flames come out the bottom and we'll just just flame someone up. Doug, look it up. What are you talking about? I swear to God. It's not it's not like it's not like you watch too many superhero movies, bro. That's how to come from one year super hero. It's not kryptonite. It's fire. We've no what fires. No, this is it's like an emerging economy. So it's like in a country where you've got some really rich people, but then there's lots of potential crime and stuff. Like Puerto Rico or something like that. Yeah, I don't remember what country it was, but and it was perfectly legal that you could do this. It looks like South Africa is a place. Is it? Yeah, did you find it? Yeah, I'm gonna pull it up here. Oh, yeah. No, this is real, bro. Now, as I watch this, I'm like, huh, I wouldn't mind having the ultimate deterrent, right? Look at it. So this actually happened here, right? Somebody, is this an actual video of someone trying to break into his car? I believe, I believe so. Or that or demoing it, right? This reminds me of that one with the bike video, the guy that sets up anybody stealing his bike and like puts like an ejection seat on it, launches it. It's for South Africa and it's to combat carjacking. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's no joke. Yeah, I told you. What? Like, what? He's like, look at my product. It could be a shish kebab by the time. Yeah, dude. I mean, because I think carjacking there was such a big problem. Wow. People were getting killed, getting their stuff stolen. So it's in, it's, look, it's right there. So it looks like you're turning your car off. That's a problem though. I would have like, yeah. I just did this this morning. I want you to go grab, I left my wallet in my other car, right? I go to grab the door handle and it was locked. And what, you're doing fucking light myself? No, no, no, no, no. No, you have to be in the car and you have to turn it on. Oh. This is for carjacking. Like someone's in the car. Yes, it's carjacking. So people, this was a big problem where people are in the car, they pull up to their house, someone's waiting, then they sneak up with a gun and either get you out of your car, rob you, kill you, kidnap you or whatever. So when you're in your car, it looks like you're turning your car on. It looks like there's a switch there and then it just fucking lights up. See, I like those armored vehicles for that. You showed me a bunch of bulletproof windows and tires and rims and all that. And then they have like this, like, almost like a Gatling gun on the top. Did we show him that new? Did I show you that SUV? I did. Yeah, I think it's, yeah. Things like a little mini tank though, right? It's like 400, yeah, but it's kind of, it's kind of like a V12,000 horsepower engine in it. Yeah, it's still moving. He's like, give me your money. You're on fire, motherfucker. I mean, at one point, do people start buying stuff like this downtown LA, you know? Well, and I wonder if this, that is in there. Is that more feasible than just having bulletproof windows? Yeah, that's a good question. I feel like bulletproof windows would solve the same problem. It would, except you don't get to kill the guy. He's trying to kidnap the cinema. You don't get to set him on fire. If I got my kids in the car and I'm in there and some dude pulls a gun, I would rather light them on fire. Oh, not me. I would waver that bulletproof. That's crazy, bro. If you, cause if that guy's on fire, he could be on fire highway. You're right. I doubt both. Oh, you can't shoot me when you're on fire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That's true. Now your defense, the funny part is the video is showing us in this like 1980s BMW that you're protecting inside your fucking, that your defense mechanism is more expensive than your car. I know. Yeah, exactly. Along those lines, Justin, you talked about those guys that made those videos with bikes. Yeah. There's one where the bike seat, if you sat on it, there was like a small diameter pipe that would come through the seat. So you'd sit on it. So this guy, he put this bike out and then videotape from far away. People trying to steal his bike. So they'd look around and you can see these fuckers are looking around like, oh. Then they jump on the bike, they sit on the seat, that it plays this music. They get it bailed. I love it, dude. That's good stuff. Hey, I'm excited. Well, I'm excited and also frustrated at the same time that we have, it's been a while I feel like since we have partnered with a brand that typically what happens, right? One guy brings a brand that he really likes. Oh, this is amazing, right? And all it takes is at least one other guy to go like, oh yeah, I like it too. That's really cool for us to go like, okay, this is cool. This is a potential partnership. Someone that'd be cool to introduce the audience, right? It's not that often that we get a brand that we partner with that everybody is like all about it. Not just all about it, but like we're fighting over the stuff all the time. So I'm getting the scraps. Yeah, well, I had that we just recently signed with Creatures of Habit, the oatmeal product, which we- Protagonist. Yeah, all of us, which by the way, I think he's changing that really soon here. I think the name is gonna be changed like in the next month or so. This is high protein oatmeal with omega-3 fatty acids, vitamin D. Probiotic. Probiotics in there, tastes good, so. And I just, you know, I mean, I brought it to the guys going like, okay, I love this. I think they're gonna like it. Everybody, oh yeah, I like it. But then you can't even cut, we had case already here that was sent here, it's gone. Because when do you fuckers take some home? No. You didn't take it home? No, I actually, I'm bringing more from my house. So I had them, so I have a case now being shipped to my house. I have a case being shipped here. We went through all the case here. What you see me bringing is mine. Like you don't get it. It's always a quiet one, dude. It's probably Dylan. Yeah. You know what I mean? He just sits there like. No, it don't happen yesterday. I go. We were talking about shrink. No, no, I go back there. Before we start the podcast and I see a box of the, of the protagonist. I'm like, oh good. There's, there's some oatmeal. I'll have that right after the podcast. Then we're doing our podcasts and stuff. And then I look at Doug and he's got like a mug and he's eating something out of it. And I'm like, son of a bitch. I go back there, it's gone. Did you eat it, Doug? I sure did. Yes, I did. Have you guys had all the flavors yet? Or no, are there some of the flavors yet? I've tried maybe three or four. I've tried the banana. What is it? Banana, something, chocolate, vanilla. The maple is good. I've tried them all. Yeah. Apple cinnamon is my favorite. Apple cinnamon is good too. Apple cinnamon is really good. The maple one's on it. The peanut butter banana is on it. The blueberry is probably my second favorite. You're just doing water. Right? I go macadamia nut milk or almond milk. So unbelievable. So do you heat that first? What do you mean you heat it first? You're mixing with the macadamia nut milk. Yeah. So are you heating the milk? Yeah, I put it in there and I microwave it. Oh, OK. Yeah. Yeah, no. We get read a cookbook. For Adam, step one. You're at page one, how to make ice cubes. No, I just pour it in there and warm it up and it's really good with almond milk. Oh, you pour it in and you warm it all together. All of it, yeah. Yeah, that's not how you do it, no. I don't know why it's weird. It comes out the same, Adam. I don't think so. Yeah, it does. Yeah, I don't think so. Exactly the same. No, I don't think so, Doug. I'm not sure if one of them matters that much. Thank you for that. No, actually, you thought he was backing you up, but in fact, he just didn't listen to the whole thing. Well, it's instant oatmeal, right? Considered instant oatmeal. Yeah, the one thing I did, so. Oh, is anybody making oatmeal cookies with it? Yeah, we made muffins out of it. You did? Yeah, we made muffins out of it. You already did. Bomb. OK, bomb. I want to do the cookies. I think Savannah's doing that. She said she was going to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, that's what I want to try, really, really bad. All right, some bad news. What? Did you guys see that there was a report came out of the UK that unexpected deaths, they're trying to figure out why sudden unexpected deaths are on the rise? What kind of deaths? Heart related? Unexpected. What does that mean? Is that include car accidents? What does that include? I was supposed to figure this out. No, I think it's like heart attack, blood clots, sudden death, like. Oh, I see what you mean. Now, hold on. No, no, everybody calm down. I'm calm. Yes. So there's a lot of controversy around it, right? Because some people are like, aha, it's the long term effects of the vaccines you forced everybody. But what we don't have, and I want to be always cautious with this kind of stuff. First off, unexpected deaths are not a huge number. It is higher, but it's still not a huge number. But in comparison, it's 10% higher. But still, you want to be like, what's going on? There's a few likely culprits. One is during the pandemic, when things were shut down, a lot of people didn't get regular medical care who don't have great health. So there's lots of deaths that are prevented because they go to the doctor and the doctor's like, oh crap, we got to put you on blood thinner. So shit, you need blood pressure medication or whatever. And that didn't happen. Nobody went to the doctor. Yeah, nobody was making appointments unless it was like, you know, like, I absolutely have to go. That's right. So nobody was going. So that's number one. The second potential likely culprit is obesity rose at twice the rate of normal during that period of time. Lots of stress eating. Which is probably the biggest reason. Yeah, so lots of stress eating, lots of unhealthy habits. And then combine that with mental health, went terrible, depression increased. So general health was worse and got worse faster during the pandemic than before. Plus not seeing doctors. And then you could potentially add in whether there's some maybe unintended or unforeseen side effects of some of these vaccines. Who knows? But there's going to be more data. One of the many factors going into it, yeah. Yeah, but there's a lot of people, they're looking into it. And it's actually becoming mainstream news over there in the UK. I'm interested in seeing what that looks like in other places. If we're seeing similar trends here in the US. Isn't it going to be so hard, though, to pinpoint that? Correct. It's going to be like impossible. I mean, there's other things too. You know what I think had to have been so bad for people? Was it last year? The last year or year before when we had all those crazy fires? Like imagine breathing that in for like three, four months. You want to know something crazy? So I thought about that. So you remember when Chernobyl happened? Yeah. Well, we don't remember because we were whatever. But when Chernobyl happened, there was this big toxic radioactive cloud that kind of circled the globe. They estimate that there was something like, I don't remember what number it was, but it was pretty big. There was a certain percentage more cancers that happened because of that worldwide. So you got to think with the smoke and stuff that we've now had that one year where it was just crazy. That's got to have some effects on people who are susceptible long term, right? It's got to be. Yeah, I know. And you're talking, we were seeing it here in the Bay Area. And if you were living up towards up north, I mean, it was. Apocalyptic. Yeah, apocalyptic. Totally not to go outside and stuff like that. You're breathing that in all day, every day, for weeks and months for a while. Are we ever going to be able to analyze it like that, though? With how politicized and still is the talk about? No, I don't think so. I had this discussion with them. Yeah, it's like, how are we ever going to get real scientists to even go through all the data and really give us real numbers? Well, first off, you'd have to separate everything. And you can't. And you can't. Which is me almost impossible. At best, you're making a good guess. That's all you're doing. Right. And number two. That's why the answer is freedom. The answer is to just allow people to do what they want to do. Yes, but now that's really what it is. The second part, and this is the part I had this conversation with my family, was if indeed they find out, hey, crap, there are some long-term effects from these vaccines for some people. And it's causing this, this, and this. Would they even want to admit it because they went through a whole period of massive coercion, people getting forced to do this? Right. Could you imagine if they came out and admitted? Not to say that this is true or not, but let's say it was. And they came out and said that would cause massive social upheaval. So it would almost be like a national security issue where they'd say, hey, we can't let this out because it's going to cause some crazy worldwide problems. So I don't think we'll ever get answers on some of that stuff. Well, it's a lot easier to shuffle it off. Since you opened the door for controversial stuff, did you send over the article that I sent that came out about the gays against grooming? Oh, I did. That's crazy. And they shut them down on PayPal and shut them down on, I think, cash app or something. So this was a page that's run by people from the LGBT community, so gays, lesbians, bisexual, and trans individuals. And the whole page is about the, they're against the sexualization of children. They're against some stuff that they're seeing that's out there right now. Like a good example is- Well, they're gays because they're using their community to justify what's going on. That's what they say, right? That's what their point is. Like- And they're growing fast. Yes, like an example would be like those, these drag shows that parents are bringing their kids to, and they're obviously sexualized. Some of them even have topless dancers or this teacher, by the way, the teacher's in Canada and in Texas. You said Texas on the other side. The teacher who comes to school to teach with massive prosthetic boobs with huge nipples and a tiny shear shirt. You know what, I was- Sure. I'm glad you brought that. And didn't get fired or anything for it, right? I'm glad you brought that back up because I don't know how, and this is why I'm so skeptical even of what we read and see in media, is do you think it's possible that could be a massive troll on his part? Like, maybe he's actually more on your side and he's actually just proving a point. Like, this is how ridiculous this is. I could come here with these massive titties with hard nipples and put a wig on and they're gonna protect me. Well, no, because he's, apparently, she was been transitioning for a while. Oh, really? Yeah, okay. So the school was like, oh, that's for sure. We've been notified, yeah. Because after a while, I thought about it, we were going back and forth. I'm like, you know what, this is so ridiculous that this could be just a massive- What a great troll job that would be. It would be a great troll job, wouldn't it? I mean- Because it's so absurd- I'd like to see someone show up with a massive prosthetic dick and just show up in class with it coming through the pants and be like, yeah, this is just that way. You would, except for if it wasn't your kid's school. No, I'm talking about as a troll, like to troll. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Troll job. But anyway, that page, that's their goal. And they got shut down and wiped off social media- Not all social media, they're still on Instagram and stuff like that. They have like 170,000 followers. It was the, for them to take donations, they were basically shutting it down. They're shutting it down. I don't remember it was PayPal, Venmo. Do you have the article, Doug, by chance? I'll pull it up. Yeah, I think it was, I just want to make sure I get it right. Because if- Social media companies are in a really bad position. That's just straight up. The second they started editing content, they opened themselves up for litigation and they opened themselves up for legislation. Well, they're feeding right into rumble. I wish I would have bought that stock sooner. I know. I'm so mad that I didn't do that. Yeah. It's so obvious that they're gonna explode because of that. I know. So they are on social media right there. That's on Instagram. Well, this is actually not their page, but they do have a page, yes. They're banned from PayPal and Venmo. Look at that. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Is there any response from any of these platforms in terms of like the rationale and the why? Well, it's actually Doug, if you go back, they'll tell you, it says why they got banned. Yeah, so they have a couple of letters that they've received. It's in violation of PayPal's acceptable use policy regarding your use of PayPal products. It's so vague. So vague. It's so vague. I wish they were honest and they just said, we don't like you. So we can kick you off and we can do that. We're a private company. Why? I mean, I don't understand. Like an organization like that, you should be uplifting. They're trying to say they're hateful because they ridiculing, I think rumors. That term now has been banned on some social media. If you use that, so in fact, on Twitter, they have to black out the like three or four letters in the middle of rumors because that particular phrase has been now deemed a slur, right? Yeah, I gotta look out for them. Weird. Weird. It's so strange. All right, let's go back to health and stuff. There's this compound that I just learned about for Max Lugavir. That's really interesting. Hope I'm saying it right. It's hydroxyapatite. Hydroxyapatite, I think it's called. And you can find it in toothpaste and it remineralizes your teeth. It's totally natural. Have you guys heard of this? So it fights cavities. It's not fluoride. It's not a chemical. It's actually part of what your bones are made of. So they put it in some toothpaste and they show that if you use this, it can help heal. It'll grow it and help you kinda get thicker teeth. It'll help you heal cavities and strengthen your teeth. Is alkaline water supposed to be good for that too? I have no idea. I thought I heard that. Really? Yeah, yeah, actually, my dentist told me that. Alkaline water? Yeah, well, you know what she, when I, cause I have, I'd actually go next week to go get four cavities handled. So... You get cavities easy, huh? No, this is, I've never had a cavity. I've never had to do anything in my life. Oh, is that one time you... Remember I told you I'm fucking so skeptical because I've had it, then it's gone. So here's what happened last time. Here's, here's how, here's me admitting how bad I am right now. Okay, so the rock star does it. I feel like Adam's a undercover conspiracy theorist. Totally. You guys are out to get you guys. You guys are out to get you guys. Slowly. Dentistry isn't real. Dentistry is a hustle, dude. It's real, it is a fucking hustle. I know I'm a fitting hella dentist that are listening right now, but I'm sorry. Half your profession's a hustle, dude. Half of it's a hustle, so sorry. I know you're saving some lives and some mouths, 100% you're needed, okay? I'm gonna get my friend on the phone. But let's be honest, half of it's a hustle, dude. Here's, so I... It's cause you got one bad guy, that's why. No, that's not true. It's not just one. This has happened to me multiple times where I go in, I'm told, I've been told before I like 12, when I was younger, I was told I was like 12 cavities. My family couldn't afford to fucking fix that. So they're just like, deal with it, right? Your mom, hey, we're gonna have to give you soft food. Rub some testing on it. It was like 12 cavities, oh my God. What's the price of a fixed one? Yeah, which one's the worst? Half of that, it was kind of payment plan you guys have. So payment plan. I didn't, we didn't fix anything. We didn't do anything. Years go by, right? See another dentist like four years later like that. Oh, no cavities, no cavities all of a sudden, right? So from having 12 to having none, right? Same thing happens when I get into my 20s. I get into my 20s, I actually have a dentist who, she's, I train her and she's asked me how long you've been. I'm already skeptical and I'm like, oh, I should probably go. So I go get a cleaning and she's like, oh, I have a few cavities, right? Oh, you have a few cavities, like what are, and she's asking me, now what was great, she's a client of mine, a friend, she was asking me about my diet and stuff. And I'm telling her all things I do. And at that time I was drinking like two rock stars a day and she's like, oh yeah, she goes, that's eating away at the enamel on your teeth. She goes, you really should stop that. I go, really? And I'm like, okay. So before I decide to go do the cavities, I go, you know, let me first see, because it was starting to hurt. That's actually what, that was the first time actually like my teeth hurt, like you're hurt and that's why I went in, right? So then I go, okay, I'm gonna cut it out. So I cut out the rock stars, cut them out. And it took about, I want to say like six months, the pain went away completely. And then like, I think I waited a few more months before I went in and saw her again, cavities are gone again. Well, cavities can, you know, they can heal. Right, that's part of the, they don't fucking tell, most dentists don't tell you. They don't go like, hey, if you've changed your diet and stop this or this, like, you may not need it. Well, that's because nobody does that, bro. It's like, it's like a doctor telling client, oh, your blood pressure's high. Do not defend them in this right now, bro. No, I mean, cause they don't do that. It's just like my psoriasis with the fricking, with them, with the same thing they don't ask me about. I was asking them probably the question, is there something I could do on my diet? Could I be lacking something? Oh no, no, here's the steroid, here's the cream. It's like, they don't even want to address the root cause of it. They just want to give you the medication and the prescription. The same thing goes with the dentists. They don't have an issue like that. They're not asking me about my diet. Yeah, but I wonder if that wasn't common knowledge to them at that point. I think it might be. Well, I'm not 90, bro. It's only fricking a few years ago. What are you talking about? How long ago was it? Well, the first time, the very first time. No, no, no, the last time, you went with the female. Well, it's been 12 years now. Okay. Yeah, 12 years. I don't know. That's a good question. You know what? I will back you up because I do know, I did have a client that was an oral surgeon and he always told me, if a dentist ever tells you need something, come see me and I'll confirm if it's. Yeah, if it wasn't for me having the client, I would have never learned this. Yeah. Like I just, I thought it was a mystery. Like how do the cavities come and go like that? And then she was the first person to ask me about my diet because she's, I'm teaching her about diet. So she's like quizzing me back. Like, well, what are you eating? Or what are you drinking? You know, it's all about the microbiome in your mouth. Yeah. That's why you will or won't get cavities. Which is also back to the original thing with the alkaline water. So the big test of your health. She would tell me, if you're going to continue to do them, then what you need to do as soon as you're done is to wrench your mouth with alkaline water. Oh. And she goes in and regular water wouldn't do the trick. So I needed alkaline water to kind of rinse, to rinse the teeth off. Have you heard of that? There's this, I don't know if he's an oral surgeon or not, but he's like basically applying this technique where you press your tongue up to the roof of your mouth and like you can like slowly manipulate, I guess like the space in your mouth like over time, like through, you know, kind of strengthening your jaw and like doing these like exercises to kind of avoid oral surgery. Yeah. Well, I mean, Jessica has read a lot of stuff and she brought this to me. She said, you know, when little kids, babies, chew on tough things, when they chew on tough things and they work their jaw, it spreads their palate. We're atrophying it over time. It spreads their palate and they're less likely to need like wisdom teeth. Like why is everybody getting a wisdom teeth pulled out, right? So that's kind of what she told me. Yeah, it's Katrina's family did this. They had it for Max. You give him a piece of leather and they just chew on the leather. Really? Yeah. Like just a leather strap. A leather strap and let him chew on it. He used to do it. And also things that fuck it up are like pacifiers. Yeah. The pacifier will mess it, will mess up that, will end up getting like an overbite from sucking on it for too long. Yeah, it'll change the palate. Did you guys know, I learned this from Max Lugovir also. You know that mouthwash? Mouthwash increases your risk of heart attacks, not heart attacks, high blood pressure and heart disease in the future. Well, isn't it like, is it good a comparison? It's like a doing mouthwash is like antibiotics. It is. For the mouth. So what happens is- Goes in there and just fucking kills everything. It does. So in some cases it's good. Like it can actually reduce viral load if you're like around sick people. If you have an infection, I guess that's probably better than nothing. But using it regularly, it destroys the bacteria in your mouth, which are responsible for producing what are called nitrites. And these nitrites, they help produce nitric oxide. So they did a study where people use mouthwash post-workout. Yeah. And they compared them to people who didn't. The people that used it post-workout had worse results. Worse blood sugar levels, worse adaptations, everything because they affected their body's ability to produce nitric oxide. Isn't this same theory is very similar to to like all the products and stuff that you hear using your hair? Like doesn't it kill that? Like you, by using certain shampoos and stuff that have certain chemicals in it, like you're killing all that off. Like there's the oils that your body naturally produce in your hair. There's like, there's a lot. It's like, you shouldn't basically, if you have one of those like strong chemical like shampoos, you shouldn't do it like every day. Well, I mean, well, toothpaste too is kind of funny. You know, toothpaste is all bullshit, right? Yeah, yeah. I remember first learning about that. Yeah. You just use like the activated charcoal, right? Activated charcoal or nothing. You could just use water and it works the same. Just, yes. The difference is that the toothpaste foams up and it, you know, makes you feel like it. Does it really, is it really? The acid should still play. It's still conditioned to like it though. I know, okay. So now, is it really like just the same? Like using just water, brushing your teeth? Yeah. Baking soda, I think. So you mean to tell me we've created like a billion dollar market on something that just doesn't even, isn't completely not necessary? Yes, it does. Really? Yep. Now the only difference is if you use products... Fact checking that, Doug? Plus there's like sugar in there. There's sugar. No, not sugar. There's artificial sweetener, but yeah. Artificial sweetener. Not all though, right? Like I mean companies like Tom's and stuff like that. They, that's what they, that's what I mean. That's what we use or if we're using public goods. But most of them are like, the reason that has flavor, it's like, you know, they're adding some kind of sweetener. Right. Now, unless you use, like I just said, hydroxyapatite, that's been shown to help remineralize fluoride. There's studies that show helps with cavities, but there's also controversy around that. What does that say? Toothpaste is not necessary to make your clean, your teeth clean or healthy. Yeah. Without toothpaste is just as effective in removing plaque. In some cases, it's more effective. Shut the fuck up. Fuck, we're gonna hustle one fucking left and right. Just take it left and right. Literally created, they, whoever, what's the first toothpaste? What a brilliant son of a bitch. He invented... Arm and hammer. He invented an entire market. Yeah. And he's just like soap for your mouth. How much, yeah, how much, how much, how much do we spend a year in toothpaste? Come on, give me some numbers here. I mean, it's crazy. You ever seen the kid's toothpaste? It's like candy. Strawberry flavor. Yeah. I remember when I was little, my brother, my mom used to have to watch it because he would eat. Yeah. Like, no, no, no, don't eat it, spit it out. Cause he used to like to taste it. So in 2018, the U.S. oral care market size was $8.2 billion. Wow. I don't know if that's all toothpaste. Well, I mean, mouthwash and toothpaste, two like the biggest freaking scams ever. Well, flossing actually makes the biggest difference. And that's the thing that nobody does. Yeah, flossing. I'm a water pick guy now. Yeah, I'm a water pick guy. Those things are strong, dude. Yeah, now I do the floss. Yeah, I have them in my bag and I use them all the time. Anyway, very interesting. I'd like to know about the chupacabra, Justin. I know you have some facts on that. I did put that up there. And I'm so interested in it. So here's the thing, you've heard of the chupacabra. Andrew knows all about, right, Andrew? Chupacabra? Come on, man, just shake his head. Yeah, he is. He's not the chupacabra, you imagine? So apparently some lady had not only, okay. So on her ranch, the typical signs of like the chupacabra are that their livestock somehow get like their blood sucked out of them. Drained. Just drained. Like it's a weird predatory habit that they've noticed this in a couple of different years. And so they've all kind of described it as this kind of hairless creature that kind of looks like a mangy kind of a dog or whatever with long teeth. But it walks on hind legs, right? Well, I don't know. That's again, this is where everybody kind of creates their own version of it. But so she actually caught this creature and like somebody hit it with a car. And so then they finally like were able to take it in and get some DNA samples on it. And so what they found was it's a hybrid mix between a American coyote and then a Mexican wolf. So it's a real animal? So it's a real animal, but they can't attribute its behaviors of like why it feeds on blood specifically like has like vampire like qualities to it. So they can't they can't like pin it down to that because there's no like real video evidence of it doing that specifically, but they found it on the ranch and they've noticed it's it's coming in and out. Is that the official name of the animal now, Chupacabra, or did they give it a different name? I don't know if it's that's just like a recent development in the cryptozoology world. Wow. It's a real real science. I'm still I'm still I still hold out. I think they're gonna find Bigfoot at some point. That's just. I've no way, bro. The evidence is crazy. Really? Kinda. No, not really. It's kinda. It's crazy absent. Yeah. All these shows about it, nobody catches. They found hair. Yeah. Boop. Smells. Footprints. Lots of lots of knocking trees. Yeah. I mean, it would be so wild to even find something like this at this point in our evolution. Oh yeah. So they yeah. So they that that right there. They stuffed it. She put it on display now, but it's a real real animal. No. But you think about that in terms of mutations and like hybrids, like I'm sure like there's some messed up looking creatures out there and they were going further. I was like I was like reading about this like how I don't know they they were talking about scientists were talking about in terms of like what they actually think is still out there that we've never even discovered. It's like it's it's a lot like the percentage is really high of creatures they think are still, you know, in parts of the world that haven't been explored. Don't we learn like every day a certain amount of new, right? Yeah. There was one I think it was a Tasmanian something that we thought was extinct. It was not that long ago. And then we saw one of them. I mean, wouldn't it be so simple just to breed those tiger? I think it's a Tasmanian tiger. Maybe Doug could look at it. Yeah. So it looks kind of like I guess they said that's a marsupial. Yeah. Which is weird because it looks kind of like a tiger stripes on its back. Sometimes I love Justin. Yeah. I get into this stuff too. Yeah. Because he's just he's as weird as I am with some stuff. Yeah. It's jaw. It's jaw opens like a weird like an absurd length like it almost like it unhinges like a snake. Yep. Yep. There it is. It's creepy. Look at that thing. It's jaw opens. Look at that. Bite you right in the butt. That is wild. It's a trip. Hey, so I got a cool. I got something that's really interesting article. I just I just read this morning. So this is this is actually kind of fascinating. So you guys familiar with these? What do they call the 4D ultrasounds they do on on babies now? Yeah, yeah. They look all weird. What's the fourth dimension? I mean, that's what they call it, right? But did you get one? Did they have them when you had your boys? We just had it was like a 3D. I don't know if it was the 4D where you can like see their face and what it looks like. Yeah, you can. I think we did that forever. Yeah. We did. Yeah. Really cool. Right. So we did one for a radius. And it's interesting because you can see features and stuff. So they're using this technology and what they did is they they're watching the baby's face in real time in the womb and then they're having the mom eat or take a capsule with strong flavors like kale or carrots or beef to see if there's a reaction on the baby's face. Oh, wow. And you guys want to hear something crazy? Yeah. The babies react. Babies make a disgusting face after eating kale. That's one of the things that they found. How wild is that? Oh, they determine what a disgusting face is. Like the baby would literally make a face like it's bitter or they like it in the womb while the mom's eating the thing or taking the capsule. Yeah. How crazy is that? I mean, it's not actually that crazy when you think about it. I mean, we've talked about we know already that you're what the mother eats is already affecting. Look at this scans conducted shortly after ingestion revealed that fetuses were more likely to make laughter faces when exposed to the taste of carrot and cry faces after encouraging kale or after encountering kale. Excuse me. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? That's wild. So I mean, this, so the study helps shed light on the development of human tastes and smell receptors and it could facilitate the development of healthy eating habits by familiarizing babies with certain foods. So you know what's going to happen with this, right? Now logically, you would think, well, mom's going to eat healthy then when she's pregnant so that the baby can develop tastes for healthy foods. But of course, that would take too much work and they're not going to do that. So what do you think is going to happen? Pills. Correct. There's going to be a home market for capsules. Supplements. Yes. Where mom is going to be like, all right, honey, time for your kale, time for your whatever. And just take the capsules to kind of get the baby. Oh man, that'd be funny if they could have like that monitor, like as you're doing that real time and see that. Isn't that weird? I'm convinced that Max is such a good eater because of Katrina and her diet during her pregnancy. She eats like so dialed the entire pregnancy. And I think that that's why, I mean, he eats everything. He eats everything. Yeah. Anything we put in front of him. There's nothing he didn't like? Nothing. There's nothing that kid does not like. Really? Yeah, he'll eat. You know what, I take that back. Eggs. Eggs don't sit well with him. Oh, weird. Oh, do they bother his gut? Yeah. So he would get like red blotches on his face. Interesting. Did you try just yolks? I don't think Katrina did that. I think she just tried to introduce eggs a few times and then actually saw. So Aurelius was getting this kind of weird rash and we thought we're trying to figure out what it was. We're still not 100% what it is, but we removed egg whites because that's a very common one. So he just eats egg yolks. So I mean, that's where all the nutrients are anyway. So in the morning we make them two or three egg yolks every morning. Yeah. That's actually the only thing that he's thrown up on it before. So I think that's why too. So he's thrown up on them and stuff. She's tried to introduce them multiple times. That is the only thing. Everything else. And I think she just hasn't really worried too much about it because the rest of his diet is so dialed. It's like if the kid doesn't end up liking eggs, it doesn't like eggs. So she tried enough times where she was kind of like whatever about it, but everything else. I mean, he'll eat raw fish. He'll eat damn near anything, dude. So it's wild. Oh, cool. And I really think that has a lot to do with just, I mean, Katrina was so dialed in when she was pregnant. Yeah. Aurelius, just anything meat loves meat and will eat the hell out of me. She made him liver yesterday. Liver. By itself. There was nothing in it. It was liver and salt. Oh, not even mixed, huh? No. Cure on liver. And he just, he crushed chicken liver, a whole thing. Wow. So she's going to give him like a liver once a month or something like that. Because you know, it's so nutrient dense. You want to give a kid liver on too much iron or whatever. But once a month, he'll throw down a liver now. All right. Get on him, dude. Is that great? Yeah. Anyway, so Justin, are those, those are fury. Yeah. They make camo. I didn't realize they had camo pants. No. I didn't know that. Yeah, dude. They're awesome. It's a ripstop. Yeah. So that's the one. I've had a few pairs of these, but yeah, the camo was cool. It's interesting. Let me see the bottom zone. Or are they tapered? Why don't you stand up and show everybody what's going on here? Look at this. Oh, yeah. Don't make it weird. Just show the pants. I like the ripstop. I work out in the ripstop, and then I wear the, I don't remember what these are called. I'm not a good model. Are you two X in those? I think I'm XL. Oh, you're XL. Yeah. I, so I'm two X in those, and then I X in the butt. And then a little comparison things you just did. Yeah, I see. Yeah. I'm double X. Oh, I'm bigger than them. I'm the bigger guy. Wonderful boys. Were you, I knew you're not on IG. No, I knew you last week. No, you didn't. What did you say? I had the university shirts that Doug's wearing right now, the new one. Okay. And I was wearing it. I'm like, for all of you big guys that are my size, this is what an XL looks like. If you guys are smaller like Sal, it's a large. Oh, I got to get back on Instagram. I miss all that stuff. Yeah, it's fire. That's you. That was bastard. It's more fun when I know you're watching. I toyed with the idea of getting back on Instagram for a second. Yeah, why don't you do it? Do the real thing I want you to do. Because I know. Maybe Shmine pumps out like something. Just there's a piece of me that just so annoyed. You know what I mean? Like I got to play your stupid game. I know, but it makes it's no fun for me. Now I feel like all I'm doing is picking on Justin all the time. I get over it. Yeah. He's less mad. He's less fun to make fun of. Because I don't give a shit. He's a fire back. I don't do that. No. Sometimes. Did you see the last video that I made fun of Justin? Did you? I don't think you saw that either. Did you? Yeah. There's a video of, it's like I don't know. I want to say it's in the Winslady Gagas. Oh yeah. Like the super fan gets up and dances with her. Super fan. And you know how many people really thought that was you? No way. It looked like me. I mean. Not even close. I didn't think so either, but I got a hell of people going like Justin really did that. Like oh my God. Oh yeah. I wish. Those kind of skills. You are a good dancer, Justin. Don't pretend. I am. I got to get a few points. The best one of the group for sure. Adam, what's this thing about the Patagonia founder? Did we talk about this? Because I think this is pretty interesting. Oh no, we didn't. And you know what? Okay, that's, it's a little old news. It's a week old now. The Patagonia founder came out and just said that he is 100% donating all proceeds when he passes of Patagonia to fighting climate change. So all his money. Yes. When he dies. So he's going to give all his money to Greta Thumber. All of it. How dare you? Yeah. So really? Yes. So what are your thoughts on it? Because I actually. It's his money. So, you know. I mean, of course, that's such the political answer. That's so vague though, like where specifically does that end up? Yeah. So that's a big one. Okay. So also, okay. Somebody who is that talented to build something that big and create that much wealth. I feel like you could do so much more with it that will impact the environment positively than just coming out and saying something like that. Well, who knows? Who knows what's under what they're going to do? I mean, I hate criticizing stuff like that. It's definitely, I tell you what, it's definitely getting all, people are all, I mean, I even saw in our forum. I saw some people say, oh, that's stupid. Like they're stoked on it? Yeah. Yeah. People are stoked on it. I saw some people say, yeah, but I saw some people criticize and say, he's avoiding taxes somehow, which I don't understand. If you're dead. Well, for some, for maybe for his kids, I don't know. It was someone made some weird and really pay attention. Okay. So, I mean, look, here's the deal. Stuff like this, it's your money. Okay. Do what you want. Now, if it was me and I wanted to fight climate change and I don't know if he's doing this or not, but I would take my money and I would invest heavily in energy technology. Innovation. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Somebody with that much power, that much money, that much talent to build something like that, you would be better. I mean, that's why I like Elon Musk so much, right? So somebody who doesn't know, he could also say like, hey, Tesla's all goes to climate change. Or he could take his brain and his skills and build a company that actually does something that could potentially really change the world, right? So, you know, to me, it's a massive virtue signal. That's what it is. I mean, that's the read I get on something like that. Do you have kids and stuff? I don't know. Look him up, Doug. That's why we have a producer. I was actually deep into the Patagonia stuff. What was your question on that? So he's asking if the kids, what are you getting to the bottom of right now? Oh, well, I mean, one of the things I'd heard too is Patagonia's clothing is largely a lot of petroleum based products. So I heard that too. So I thought that was an interesting thing. I was just doing some research on that. So his kids, I do believe he has children. So that's the irony too. I heard the same that Doug just said is that. So it's like you, you have this largely based petroleum based like clothing line. Like, how about you do a different clothing line that's actually this could be a good, this actually started to spark a good conversation. Let's say you guys had a billion dollars when you died. Yeah. Would you leave all of it to your family? Or would you take, or would you leave some of it? I wouldn't leave any just to my family. I would set my family up with things, but I would not just give money to my family. What do you mean? How would you set them up? Like either through other businesses, right? So ideally, even what we're building right now, right? Like my son would hopefully, you know, manage the real estate portfolio and be, and like have to be in the business working it, scaling it, growing it. Like he wouldn't just get, and like he would get the proceeds of while he's alive and from it, but he couldn't just go take, I wouldn't, I would set it up like a trust or he couldn't go and just sell it and just walk away with, you know, a hundred million dollars and then like no way, there's no way I would do that. I get torn, like I think to myself, like how would it, because I almost feel like that could ruin their ability to like take care for themselves and to find, well it depends. If you do a good job, I feel like as a, as fathers of raising them on some of the principles of hard work and finding their way. And here's the reality, I forget the stats on this, but it's actually unfortunately unlikely that my son will even want to do any of the things that are ours. So, and that's kind of it, is like, I hope I can provide an opportunity and good lessons while he's raising that he has an opportunity to step in the family business and take it to the next level or do more with it. But I'm also not going to not be supportive of him if he's like, Dad, I want to do my own thing. Like that's you, like that's your legacy, that's your thing, you build stuff like that. I would respect that. Yeah, I would respect that too. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's, because was it Warren Buffett? Like he doesn't, His kids don't get like, nothing. They get like some kind of safety. Is that what it is, like a million? I think they get a million. It's like a safety net. Yeah, and I kind of like that in terms of like them being able to find their own purpose but like to, for me to provide, you know, all of this, like just access, I would have, I don't know, man. I wouldn't think that I'm setting them up. No, you turn them into a spoil brat. You'd be like a one in a million chance they don't turn into like a spoil. I like the million thing. It feels like trust fund babies. A million is not bad because you know, like fund a business venture of some sort. So, but there has to be some kind of like stipulations behind it. Yeah, I like something like that. Like you, you know, I could give you a loan and but you'd have to come to me with a good business plan. I'd also position it like a real, you know, loan and a real potential partnership. That's a cool quote right there. Yeah. Warren Buffett is quoted by saying the perfect inheritance is enough money so that children, children feel they can do anything but not so much that they could do nothing. That's brilliant. I love that. That's why I said, I was just getting ready to say a million is a good number because a million is, you're not living off of a million dollars for the rest of your life at all. And it's also enough to potentially wipe out any student loans, get you out of any sort of like that, also put down a nice down payment on a really nice house or pay a house off completely. So at least you're like, you are safe and you're starting with a good head start but you're not set, you know what I'm saying? So I like that. I mean, I could see myself doing something like that where I leave a piece of money like that to where I'm giving them a head start but I'm not setting them up so much that they literally could do nothing, you know. Interesting. Like one of those like movies where the guy dies and then he leaves like riddles and shit for their kids to get to. Well, isn't there another stat that's out there for like the, how many generations it takes to like squander wealth like that? Have you heard that Doug before? I've heard that. Like by like the third generation they say? They get rid of it. Yeah. So it's like our sons will have been a part of seeing what we've done and built and so they tend to carry it on a little bit but the third generation is so disconnected from grandpa that they don't value it the same way and they tend to spoil it and fuck it off and just destroy it or whatever. I can't remember what I read. Yeah. So there's a staggering 70% of wealthy families lose their wealth by the next generation with 90% losing it the generation after that. Wow. Man. So you're doing them a huge disservice by giving them a lot of wealth. Yeah. That's essentially what you're doing. Yeah, basically. Yeah. Because they just, they don't learn how to handle themselves. 90% by the third generation and 70 by the second generation. No, no, no. 70 for the first, 90 by the second. As I just said. Oh, I thought you said 70 by the third generation. Yeah, yeah. So like our son, our son has a 70% chance of blowing our shit. Yeah. 70%, that's crazy. Yeah. And 90 his kid. Yep. Maybe, maybe I thought about this that I would say something like, hey kids, you get a million dollars after you make your first million or something like that. You can do that. Yeah. You can make a trust and put rules in there. They'll say you get this money after you do this or this. So you can kind of prove yourself. Yeah. The only problem with that is then you, then you, you're basically telling them they have to go into entrepreneurship. Like what if your kid ends up wanting to be an, you know, artist or a teacher or something that's never going to make that kind of money. They don't get the money. They never get the money. You found that money's not important. Well, the other thing, the other thing is a cool way would be to just provide, which I think probably a lot of really wealthy people do is just provide the shelter, right? So like they inherit a sick house. It's like you just get a house, you know, you get, you get your house, your house is free. I don't know. I go back and forth on this, you know, what I would do because I don't want to, I don't want, you know, my family to be, to just not find that meaning, not build anything themselves, to not get that, the value of that. But of course, at the same time, there's really strong desire to take care of my family. Right? That's, that's a whole inside, you know, struggle. So I go back and forth on what that would look like. I think the secret, and I really like, remember when we interviewed Ben Greenfield and he, you know, they had like the family, the legacy sort of set up. I think that's so, and if you're going to, if you're going to be that small 5% that make it 3, 4, 5 generations, I think that there's got to be someone in the family as a leader. I really want to be this in my family, right? I really want to be the person in my family that kind of sets this going forward that like, you're proud of your last, you're very proud to be a Schaefer. This is what Schaefer's do. We act like this. We have integrity. We work hard. We don't make it. It's very national. I got a lot of that too. The people that I've met that are, that are from families like this are the ones that I see that have this generational success is because somebody in the family has created this for their family. And it gets passed down and there's tremendous pride in that name. Dude, I hear. Caring that, and that caring that legacy. I hear stories from my aunt. She does estate planning and she, you know, when people die, Where is the money going of money go and stuff. She said you would be blown away by when somebody dies and has millions to leave the fighting and the shit that goes on between even when there's a row. She's told me stories. I'm like, I can't believe it's not clearly defined. It's sort of. Oh, no, even if it is clearly, oh, yeah. If it's clearly defined, they still get crazy. Yeah. If it's not, you're guaranteed it's going to get guaranteed. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Dude, did you guys see so I don't know did you send this article to me as one about China being able to get some kind of mineral from the moon and trying to use that to usher in the fusion. Yeah. Yeah. That's the race. This is a big energy race going on right now. People don't realize this, but we had like the big nuclear race we had. This is this is the next frontier. The first country to create energy cheaply, effectively and cleanly, which fusion has that promise. The first country to do that will be the superpower of the world. Yeah, they will be. So this is a big deal. That's crazy going on right now. No wonder we created Space Force. Yeah. Dude, did you see Space Force? Don't they have like, there's a cart in the cart. Hold on. Don't they have like camo? Like like why are you here in space? Is that true? Is it true? Is it true? Yeah, I think so. Like blue camo or something. Yeah, something like that. Like what do you what are you hiding from? That's kind of funny. That's a bit that is a bit comical, right? Yeah. Emblem looks like Star Trek. You see it? Yeah. Yeah. Whatever happened that show that was like a knockout, like it is terrible, dude. Like I was I was hoping for that. I was Steve Corell. I thought was Steve Corell. And I thought the story would be so I don't know. I think Space Force will be seen. It didn't hook me. It didn't hook me. It was it had all of the makings of a hilarious sitcom didn't happen. That's that Space Force right there. That is Space Force. Looks like they got a camo. Yeah. There's jungles in space apparently. Yeah, I don't know if they're going to be in space. We don't know what Space Force going to do. Obviously they're gonna be on the ground too. So maybe that's what's going on. Yeah, who knows. This is on the ground space for it. This is interesting. I'm paying attention. Check this out. You're not what you eat. You're what you digest. So we lose enzymes as we age. 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And good mornings. Yeah, I think you got to go. Okay. So when people say bulk the legs, they're usually talking about the quads. I almost, I don't think I've ever encountered, and this is probably a female. I've almost never encountered, I don't think I ever have encountered a woman that said my hamstrings are getting good point, good point. So all deadlifts would be in there too. Yeah. So deadlifts, stiff legged deadlifts, Romanian, Romanian, stiff legged, single leg, hip thrust, like all of those don't really hit the quads. Yeah. They work the posterior chain, the hamstrings and the glutes. And you could do all those exercises and not get lots of development, if any, in the quads, but lots of development in the hamstrings or the glutes. But also keep in mind, you're going to want to do some kind of split stance squatting and squatting, just to maintain that technique and that skill, because it's a fundamental skill. Doesn't mean you train it hard, or you need to go super heavy. But just enough to maintain that skill, that strength, protect the knees, keep your body moving well. But, but that's pretty much it. I've never had, have you guys ever had a female client be like, my hamstrings are getting too good? No, I think that's a really good, that's a great point you're making to that. That's so true. Not only that, but I would make the case that so what I used to tell bikini competitors that I, that I would train was that the the hamstring glute tie-in is like, is like what wind shows for women. Yeah. If you and a lot of that is just most people have very underdeveloped hamstrings. There's just it's not a lot of people know what to do very few people deadlift. And so there's just not a lot of exercises in the gym. And so I think for the most part hamstrings are neglected in comparison to like quad exercises. So you're right. I don't I don't think I've ever met anybody who has had overdeveloped hamstrings. It's just such a good look to develop that more anyway. So I mean, I guess that that order for me would be, you know, traditional deadlifts, sumo deadlifts, and hip thrust and good mornings, you can rotate those four big movements. And you post your hip hinging movement at that point that avoids, yeah, like the, you know, the anterior. So we this was actually a challenge for my ex. She was a competitor. Before Katrina Wright, she was she had these just crazy dominant legs and like the her coach had her completely eliminate all loaded barbell dumbbell anything for her quad. She what she did do to maintain was she had sprints and she had body weight walking lunges. So body weight, maybe sled, maybe dread sled drives to interchange heel sprints with sled drives. Yeah. So that'd be enough to keep that that some stimulus. Yeah, that pattern. Although I would do light because you could build on sled drives. You can definitely build especially if you're demanding, but especially if you're like genetically, you know, you respond very quickly in the quads. But I mean, the thing that was running heel sprints and or walking lunges is that's so functional. You know what I'm saying? Like that's like your that that that coordination to do that the stability component that goes in there. You're getting enough stimulation on the quads that they're not gonna especially that's a muscle you already think is overdeveloped. You're not going to lose much from that. You're and you're definitely not going to gain a lot of mass doing that. So I think those are really good movements. But you know, I will say this to the just a comment on this, the and this definitely can exist. But it's usually not the case. When I've had a female client worry about bulking the legs is just because her body fat was was too high. And when she got leaner, she was very happy. Women tend to store body fat in the lower body, right? And in the legs in particular hips and legs. And once they got lean, they were very happy because developed quads on a woman who's at a healthy body fat percentage looks phenomenal. It's a really nice look to the legs as well. It's not like it looks bad. But if you store body fat, and you've got muscle, you can definitely feel like you're too big. You're too bottom heavy or my quads are looking too big. So probably suppose a lot out of balance. Yeah, the women that I know that didn't like this. And I mean, I mean, it's usually not the case that their quads are actually too big. Well, you know, I mean, I usually I don't know if I agree with that. I mean, I think that there's a lot of women that are very quad dominant. And they and when they do things like squatting and stuff like that, they the quads are just blowing up. And then they have kind of a small butt or a flat butt. And then they have these massive legs. I mean, I trained a lot of women that that was their that was their thing was they had a hard time. I mean, that's why it wasn't that the legs were too big. It was the imbalance is what I'm trying to say the same difference, right? Well, not necessarily like, you know, people who are like, Oh, my God, it's my legs are so big. It's like, Well, once we balance your body out, that size you already have is fine. So that you shrink them. You know, because I think the answer to them is like, I want to make them smaller. Oh, I don't know. I don't think they necessarily want to go smaller per se. I think they just want to reap the benefits of all their squatting and Bulgarian splits quads and all their exercise they're doing into their butt and see it there and not so much in their quads. And so I think that's that, or at least that's my experience with training this type of a person. And the movements that we just said is the move, you know, is is to pretty much eliminate I mean, definitely eliminate all leg pressing front squats, even barbell back squats, hack squats, like you don't need done that stuff for just do some body weight, walking lunges, and then the rest is all post here chain. The rest is deadlifts, sumo deadlifts, Romanian deadlifts, your conventional deadlifts, your good mornings and your hip thrust. You build your entire lower body routine around that and you're gonna have some good looking legs and you're gonna build some glutes. Next question is from Jake Housel. One I have the maps aesthetic program. It's great, but I have a hard time getting through all the workouts on foundational days. I get tired and still have three workouts left usually. Do I have the wrong program? So I'm assuming three exercises. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's probably wrong for you. Look, if you're doing if you're doing a program, I don't care if it's our program or another program, and you're like struggling to get through it, not not appropriately struggling workouts should be hard. But I mean, you're like, you're trudging yourself through it, and you're starting to feel fried throughout the day from it, you feel exhausted the day after you really sore. It's not right for you. It's just too much and maps aesthetic, you know, here's the deal. We wrote maps aesthetic. It's a high volume. It's volume city. It is too much volume for me often, even. So people need to realize that with maps aesthetic. Maps and Ebola is more appropriate for most people. This happens. This I see this happening in our community when we have somebody who, let's say, comes on, starts listening to Mind Pump, and maybe he's only been listening to the show for a short period of time. And then they go looking for a program, you know, and then they go to the program that that they go, Oh, they identify with. Oh, like I want to scold my person. So I go to aesthetic, right? Versus and it's not their fault. We don't I don't think we communicate this enough. And we don't definitely don't have it on the website. But when we wrote, you know, anabolic performance and aesthetic, they were designed to go in that order. Right. No matter what, even if you are a competitor and you want to be and you want to be a physique guy or girl, like we I still think you should go through anabolic performance and then move into aesthetic. It's we designed it to slowly ramp the volume up and to be ready for that when you get into aesthetic. And it's not like doing performance and anabolic is going to hinder your aesthetics. So if you think that you identify with, you know, the aesthetic program, but you've never done any of our programs, I highly recommend you go anabolic performance. And then I'm going to say this right now, 85% of the people who watch and listen to the show, including fitness enthusiasts, the volume in maps, anabolic is appropriate. 20 to 25% aesthetic in split would be appropriate. Okay, everybody else aesthetics too much volume. That's just straight up. I followed aesthetic. And when I have everything dialed in and I feel really good, I can get through it and it works. If anything's off for me, and I have a lot of training experience, I've been doing this for a long time. So my body's got pretty damn good recovery compared to the average person. It's too much, it's too much volume. Now, so let's say you go maps, anabolic mass performance maps aesthetic, and you get to aesthetic, and you feel like shit, you feel too sore. Yes, same is true. Cut the yeah, cut the volume. That's all you get to do. Take the program. And instead of doing three sets or four sets on an exercise, do two sets or one set. And just cut the volume down and see how you feel like this person right here doing maps aesthetic, cut the volume down by a third. And if that doesn't help cut it down by another third. See how you feel. But if you feel this way, it's just not appropriate regardless of what program you're following, even if it's a program that we created. Next question is from Potto F Blanc. I hate crunches. What are some good choices for athletic and functional core exercises? So athletic and functional. You know, my favorite one of my my favorite types of core exercises for just function involve rotation. Yep. I think rotation is one of the most functional athletic, I guess, movement patterns at the core, aside from stabilizing, right, that it's involved in. So cable chops, band chops, lots of different directions, counter, you know, counter rotation is really good for stabilization. So that's like where you have like a cable arms close to your body. And then you pull it out this way. So the pill of press. Yeah, what's that called? The pale pal or pale of press, but yeah, I agree. It's really hard to program in rotation for most exercises. And it's this is an area for core. I'm always like trying to make sure that this is going to be an area where I'm going to add in rotational movements like cable chops, or I'm going to add in like a landmine rotation, trunk rotations. I'm going to do stuff with the medicine ball where I'm I'm doing a side toss of the medicine ball to make sure I get some power in there as well as some core rotation. So that's honestly, for me, it that's usually where I end up going for the most part for core to begin with because I hate crunches as well. But I'd rather do probably decline sit ups or something like that where I can focus. I mean, I agreed with you, Justin, and I'm like this person too, like I'm not a big fan of Sal's by far the most you know, the biggest cruncher in here. So very crunchy. Yeah. You know what when you didn't say that I really like doing it's less athletic per se, although I still think it has tremendous athletic benefits. Because that's medicine to all ball toss to me is that is I think we all agree rotational stuff for your foreign abs is if you for athletic endeavors is probably one of the best things you do medicine ball toss and or wood chops, I think are both great examples that I really like what I enjoy because I don't like doing this this type of stuff was getting strong at windmills. Yeah, windmills are great. Yeah. So because it has an anti rotation component to it that it has a regular rotation and strength component to it, like you have to get some right. It's mostly mostly QL, but that's all core stabilization. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, you still get a you start getting heavier and heavier and heavier, you'll definitely get oblique in there for sure. Yeah. No, you'll get I mean, it's it's a that's why I really I did not do it thinking that I would get good core ab work that was not my thought process when I was went into getting good at the windmills. That was something that I found I the benefits I got from it, though, was that. So I think that's a fun one to like, you know, get good at that and add into it. You know, it's interesting when you look at people's core workouts, there's a over emphasis and over development on abs and a complete under under emphasis on both the external internal obliques. And here's now it's all important. Okay. So I want to be clear all the muscles that stabilize the core and right now we're focusing on the front side of the core because there's also muscles that wrap around and there's even the lats are involved in core stability to some extent. But let's just talk about the front when people talk about core, they're talking about abs and obliques, right? In athletic endeavors and for stabilization and protecting the spine, the internal external believe obliques are arguably more important. Really, really effective athletes tend to have really well developed obliques. Obliques are super important. When you look at most people's workouts, they involve an ab exercise and nothing for the obliques usually or two or three ab exercise and maybe one afterthought for the obliques. I think that's a mistake. I know why they do it. They do it that way because people think the obliques are on the side of the body. It's going to make my waist hella big. Not going to happen. You're lucky if you add a fraction of an inch to the size of your waist because you've built your obliques. But now you've got these really nice looking strong obliques which really add to the aesthetics of the body. So really, I think if you're going to do a core workout and you're going to program it, I think you should have more of a two to one oblique to ab ratio with your exercise. It's not the other way around. That's just my personal belief, but I think there's much more function in having really strong stable obliques than just having abs. Next question is from Live and Breathe. Do you believe in discipline or motivation? And what is your definition of each one? Of course, I feel like we've been believing anything. Do we believe in them? I mean, this person is that no, I just think that this person's chimed in late because I mean, for the longest time, we used to shit all over the motivation stuff. I just think that's a I mean, they exist in terms of it being overrated. Well, I mean, it's it's so heavy in our so we came out early and talked a lot about all the hype, you know, the the beast mode, the all out the videos with the music behind it. I mean, there's a reason why you don't see us do all that stuff. Get inspired. Yeah, motivate. First off, motivation, the feeling of motivation is intoxicating and it's amazing. And I've never leading. I've never had to, you know, talk a client into a workout. I've never had to convince a client to work out harder or to eat better when they were motivated. Yeah, a motivated client is a amazing client. They just do everything and they want to and in fact, you have to pull them away or pull them back from doing too much because that feeling so amazing. So I understand why people rely on that feeling because when you do what it's effort when you're motivated, it's effortless. The you just do all this great stuff for yourself because you're so motivated. But it goes away. It's it's it doesn't exist all the time. It's nitrous for an engine. It's nitrous for an engine. It's it's really nice. I mean, because I wouldn't I would not deny that there's not moments where I'm like, oh, man, I've watched you, you know, workout video that gets me hyped and motivated to go to the gym. You watch me and Justin work out. Yeah. So yeah. But what I what I what I'm very aware of what I'm doing it, how I'm using it, and I'm also very aware that I never want to rely on that to get me to do those things. And and that's why it's what you got to you got to build the engine. You got to through discipline and hard work and consistency and getting up when I don't want to do those things. Doesn't mean that I don't see value in getting yourself fired up and hyped up. The problem is is so many people rely on that and they need that in order to get them up to do things. And then when that's not present or when a hard day comes or a challenge happens, which is inevitable, they fold, they fold like a lawn chair. They don't have any sort of they don't have any sort of discipline that they've built in their life to get them through those moments. So that's my opinion on the whole motivation versus the discipline thing is that you absolutely need discipline to be successful in your life. In anything. Yeah. And you yeah. In all pursuits, you build that first and then OK, the motivation can be the nitrous on it that you you add, you know, man, I'm getting ready to get to work out and I want to I want to push extra hard day. So I'm going to fire up the catalyst for you. Right. Like maybe the motivations, the thing that sort of tips you over and then but in order to sustain anything, you have to create and build these disciplines that'll carry you through all the times that you're not going to have that that energy source, that motivation that just drives you like it did initially. It's just not going to be there. So what do you do on those days? You got to think about that. Yeah. Discipline is what gets you to do what you need to do every single day. Motivation, when it pops up, that's when you get breakthroughs. That's when you do you have new achievements faster than you could have before. So when motivation occurs, it's amazing. Grab on to it. Have a good time. When it goes away, what's left is discipline. Discipline is what's left over. And here's the here's the kicker. Here's what's great about this. Discipline increases the amount of times you get motivated. Yeah. OK. So if you like motivation, creates freedom, one of the best ways to get that feeling of motivation to occur more often is to be disciplined. Now, if you just wait for this for motivation and you act upon it and you love it and then it goes away and you stop, you're less likely actually less likely to feel those periods of motivation. That's the irony of the whole thing. Well, I like how you said that it's and I think it's important to point it out is that it's intoxicating. And that's the part I think I don't like. It's one of my favorite besides falling in love. Can you think of a feeling that is that is more incredible than that extreme feeling of inspiration and motivation? I'm charged to go. There's nothing better than that's why we love those movies. And that's why we all gravitate to those those Instagram pages and everyone follows them. It's but I mean, you're you're falling into a trap if you if you use that stuff all the time to try to get you to do now. Now here now here's where it gets where it gets interesting, right? Why is motivation then so why do we revolve around it so much in the fitness, health, fat loss, wellness space? Why is motivation talked about? Why do we advertise to it? Why do we sell products around it? Well, here's why it is easy as hell to sell you something when you're when I get when I make you feel that feeling of motivation. That's the bottom line. If I get somebody who wants to lose 40 pounds and then whatever something happens, they get that spark of inspiration, that spark of motivation and then they walk into my gym and I can sense it and I can feel it. Man, I could sell you anything. I can make you buy all the five year membership, supplements, personal training, you know, access to all the gym, all that stuff. I could do that. So the fitness space just like any market knows the most effective way to sell you something is to give you that feeling of inspiration, that feeling of motivation because you're going to act emotionally. It gets better than that. It gets better than that because we know and this is why again, I don't like it, especially in our space is this statistic show that 80 percent chance you're going to fail, especially if you don't have the real tools, especially if you don't get to the root cause of how you got there. That's right. And so if I am a company, a fitness company and I use motivation to get you going, I know that you're that eight out of 10 people are going to fail and then you'll come right back to me again because you'll be motivated again. And I just keep making money off of you, selling you bullshit and not ever really helping you get to the root cause of how did you get to this place and then how do you now fix that? Instead, I just need to hype you up and get you excited. If I get you excited, then you're going to buy my supplement and you're going to buy my program, we're going to buy my thing and you're going to do it and then you're going to fall off, not do it again. You're going to be unmotivated. Then I'm going to hype you up again and I'm going to say it's just it's a brilliant business model that the fitness space makes so much more. It's like 85% fail rate after a year. Yeah, that's why it's a brilliant model and that's why so many fitness people adopt it as a way of selling. So, you know, it's interesting because this applies to everything. It applies to workouts. It applies to business. It applies to relationships. We often get asked how the hell you guys can all work is for four of you guys are all kind of different. How do you guys all work together and how have you guys been able to work together for so long? I'll tell you right now, motivation is like the feeling that you get when you really like someone and you want to hang out with them or you get that feeling of love with that partner. Discipline is like you're married. Look, I don't like we don't like each other right now but we're going to do the work anyway because I value this relationship and this is lifelong, right? So, how do we all get along? I'll tell you why because I love how disciplined you guys are. So, I mean, truth be told I don't like you guys sometimes. I know you guys don't like me sometimes. Guess what we do? We show up to work and we do what we need to do and we respect each other over it. You know what I'm saying? Could you imagine if this business was run off of motivation and liking everything? I mean, come on. Adam and I would have broken up 15 times by now. I know. So, I mean... Yeah, it's just funny to listen because you brought up relationships and the whole time listening and I had this really terrible analogy the whole time. I didn't launch it but I was like literally like motivation to me is like being horny. Disciplines are... That's love, right? So, it's... Oh my God, it's so hard. Are you horny? Are you horny? You need that hornyness. Don't ever hold your analogies in. Don't ever. Don't ever hold your analogies in. Never again. I'm sorry. You have the best analogies of all time. Just think about that. If you want long... Look, here's the deal. If you want long-term success in anything but especially in health and fitness build habits and build discipline and then when the motivation comes welcome it with open arms. Enjoy it while it's there and be okay and accept the fact that it's going to be gone at some point but what's left with you is the skill of discipline that nobody could take away from you. So, stick with that. Motivation is bullshit. Self-belief is everything. That's it. Look, if you love the show head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our free stuff. We made a lot of free guides for all of our listeners that can help with them with all kinds of fitness and health goals. You can also find all of us on social media. So, Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin. Adam is on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam and you can find me on Twitter at Mind Pump Sal. This one's really important and that is to phase your training. If somebody trains for a full year doing a bench press and they're always aiming for five reps if you compared that person to a person who did a bench press where they did three or four weeks of five reps but then they did three or four weeks of 12 reps and then three or four weeks of let's say 15 to 20 reps and then they'll throw on some supersets at the end of that year you're going to see more consistent progress from the person who's moving in and out and less injury.