 Yeah, I'm here. Thank you so much. What number one, can you do a video and audio check for me? Hello. Great. Thank you so much. I can hear and see you. Thank you. And share me sir. It looks like all board members are on at this point. Okay. Thank you. I might need. Okay. Right now, I'm not saying the board, all the board members on my screen on my iPad. Is that because we haven't started or do I need to do something that will be kind of important to be able to. I believe it's because I'm sharing my screen. So once everyone turns their cameras on and I stopped sharing, I'm going to turn it off. Okay. And do it. Do we have a forum? So we can start. We do. Everyone is on so we can start whenever you are. Okay. And I'm sorry. Can I, can I get your name again? It's Michelle. Or your last name. Montoya. Montoya. Okay. That's right. All right. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Let's go ahead and we'll get rolling. Chair Muser. We have a Kimberly Hopwood acting as our recording secretary tonight. With Mike here to guide her just to give you a heads up. Okay. Thank you very much. Okay. There's ever. There's everybody. Okay. Welcome everyone to the March 2nd city of Santa Rosa. I'd like to call this meeting to order. And that's Montoya. If we could have a roll call. Let the record reflect that all board members are present. Okay. Fantastic. Due to the provisions of the governor's executive order in 25, 20 and in 29, 20, which suspend certain requirements of the Brown act. And the order of the health officer of the county of Sonoma to shelter in place minimize spread of COVID-19. The cultural heritage board is conducting today's meeting in a virtual setting using zoom webinar. Board members and staff are participating from remote locations and or practicing appropriate social distancing. Members of the public may view and listen to the meeting as noted on the city's website and as noted on the agenda. Members of the public wishing to speak during item three public comment or during our public caring items will be able to do so by raising their hand and will be given the opportunity to address the board. And moving on to item number two approval of the minutes. We have several minutes to approve tonight. So we'll just go one by one. Do any of our board members have any changes or additions to the minutes from September 1st, 2021? Okay. We'll approve the September 1st, 2021 minutes. The November 3rd, 2021 draft minutes. Seeing no changes will approve the November 3rd, 2021 draft minutes. November 17th, 2021 draft minutes. And the January 5th, 2022 draft minutes. Any changes? We'll approve the January 5th, 2022 draft minutes. All right. Moving to item three, public comment. Okay. We are now open for public comment for any item not included in this meeting's agenda. If you wish to make a comment via zoom, please select the raise hand button. If you are dialing via telephone, please dial star nine to raise your hand. Each speaker has three minutes. A countdown timer will appear for the convenience of the speaker and viewers. Please make sure to unmute yourself when you are invited to do so. Your microphone will be muted at the end of that countdown. Ms. Montoya, do we have any questions? Ms. Montoya, do we have anyone requesting to make public comment? We do not have any hands raised at this time. Chair Meezer, just to clarify, this is Mike. Ms. Hopwood is going to be the one that you want to direct your questions to. She's taking minutes tonight. Say that again. I'm sorry. I just wanted to inform you that Ms. Hopwood is going to be the one taking minutes. If you can direct your questions to her, she'll be the one answering it. I'm going to direct questions to Ms. Meezer. If anyone is raising their hand or not, it's Kimberly Hopwood. She's the recording secretary tonight. Speller, last name for me, please. H-O-P-W-O-O-T. Hopwood. Okay. Thank you. No problem. Okay. Great. Okay. So we'll close public comment period then. Moving on to item four, board business. I'm going to go ahead and read the cultural heritage board statement of purpose. The principal duties of the board include undertaking and updating historic inventories or surveys, recommending designation of landmarks and preservation districts, reviewing proposed alterations to historic buildings and promoting public awareness of preservation issues. If you are in a historic district or would like more information regarding historic districts, please see the processing review procedures for owners of historic properties. Okay. Moving on to item 4.2, board member reports. We have any board members who would like to make a report at this time? Raise your hand. So, okay. Seeing none, well, I have one. And hopefully Ms. Murray may jump in and help me as I muddle through this because this is kind of a first-time issue for me and we'll see if we can do it properly. I basically have been reviewing the master planning process for Fremont Park. And through the process it's kind of become apparent to me of the historic elements that are really in that park. And I would like to introduce to the board the possibility of pursuing a landmark designation for the park. Let me just give you a quick history. The property was purchased by Settler Hammond and it was initially used for the Fremont Grammar School. Hammond also owned the property where the rural cemetery is located. The park was named after John C. Fremont in 1926 that was sold to the city of Santa Rosa. The park was designed by architect Howard Gilkey and Howard Gilkey is a pre-notable figure himself. He grew up in Santa Rosa. He worked for Luther Burbank. He attended school in Berkeley. He designed both Juilliard and Fremont Park. He worked at a time for the WPA. I think that's where he got a lot of his experience with regards to a lot of the WPA work that was done especially at Juilliard Park. He worked for the city of Oakland as a city park and planning engineer and then in 2000 the cancer survivor Plaza was installed at the park. My belief is the notable features of the park include basically the original design features. If you look at the original blueprint it's pretty much hasn't been changed that much. It's a nice and original architectural design. The fountain, the concrete arbors, the light standards, the U trees as well as there are 70 trees on the park, 20 different varieties and a significant number of those are protected trees. So I know some of you probably also been following the master planning process. I do have some concerns that the comments that we made don't seem to be reflected too much in the alternatives that are being given and one of the alternatives that isn't listed is restoring the park as it is. So all the alternatives are basically significant changes to the park. My understanding the way we would proceed is we would need a motion and a second to be able to put this on the agenda at our next meeting. We can't discuss it tonight. I'm just making a presentation but if we got a motion and a second to agendize it at the next meeting that would then allow a discussion period that would also allow us to open it for public comment as well. At that time we would probably start discussing what would be needed for the documentation-wise for justification for landmark status. There is potential funding issues. Basically city staff would act as our agents to prepare the documentation and for them to do that they would probably need an allocation of funds for that to happen. But my thinking is we'll just kind of cross that road when we come to it. Should the board feel that landmark status is appropriate for the park? So I think that's about all I have to say. Ms. Murray did I get that right? Just do a motion and a second. If we receive a second then we can agendize it. Yes. It's start with a motion and it's a motion, a second, and a vote and it gets agendized to talk about the scope. So we do take a vote as well? Yes on this. On this one we do. Okay. Board Member Garrett. Well first I'd like to thank you Chair Muzaff for bringing this to the board. I also have been following it. I know there are a number of others on our board who have and I agree this should be a landmark a stark landmark designation and so I would move that we bring this to a vote meeting to discuss. Thank you Board Member Garrett. Board Member Bourne. I would second that motion. Okay so we have a motion and a second. We can't really discuss it so I'm just going to call for a vote and Ms. Hopwood if you could call for a vote on the motion second. Board Member Bourne I'm sorry could you please say aye. Thank you. Board Member Garrett. Aye. Board Member Wong. Aye. Board Member Prate-Zellis. Aye. Vice Chair Fennell. Aye. Chair Muzaff. Aye. Okay well thank you and I'll be doing I'll be working with Ms. Murray doing trying to make sure we we do this process properly and get Board Members the information that they need so that at the next meeting we can we can move it into a discussion period. Okay any other Board Member reports. Okay moving then on to item 4.3 Vice Chair elections so this is an annual thing that happens with Vice Chair I wish they did it with the Chair but anyway you're stuck with me for a while and so at this time I'd like to see if anyone would like to nominate a Board Member for the position of Vice Chair. I don't know if it's okay to self-dominate but I'm willing to do it if nobody else is interested and I will happily be Vice Chair. Thank you Board Member Pretzelis and Board Member Garrett. I was actually going to nominate Board Member Pretzelis so you don't have to or you don't have to nominate yourself I will do that for you. Okay any other nominations this time seeing none I'm going to call for a vote. Chair Muser I think we need to get a second for that Do we have a second for the nomination? Board Member Boren I second that nomination. Okay thank you Board Member Boren. And the next one I think it probably goes without saying at this point but we also need for Board Member Pretzelis to accept the nomination just to be official here. Okay. I accept thank you. Okay. I would call for a vote then. Board Member Boren I vote I. Board Member Garrett Board Member Blum I Board Member Pretzelis I Vice Chair Fennell I Chair Muser I'd like to thank Vice Chair Fennell for her time being Vice Chair. You know one of the difficulties that we've had is we all love historic districts and we tend to live in historic districts Vice Chair Fennell and I both live in the same one and even though I hate to see Vice Chair Fennell go it kind of solves an issue where sometimes we don't get a quorum in our own historic neighborhood because both Board Member Fennell and myself have to abstain and so having it spread out a little bit jurisdictionally I think will help in making sure that you either have a chair or a Vice Chair to coordinate but thank you for serving as Vice Chair Board Member Fennell and we'll see what rolls around next year. Okay moving on then to department reports so Miss Murray do you have a department report for us? I do I have some housekeeping things but the first thing that I wanted to start with is to let you all know that April we're not going to have any meetings in April or at least we're going to try not to have meetings in April unless there's an absolute emergency if there's something urgent we will figure it out but the council chambers is being updated to to make our hybrid meetings a little bit easier and so which is good news it looks like we're also getting closer to that starting up the hybrid meetings soon so I don't know about all of you but I am certainly looking forward to that and then I have a couple of housekeeping things I have that old reminder if you guys can please just make a point to check your emails I'd love it if you do it twice a month or twice a week but once a week would probably suffice we've as far as getting those quorums we're still we're having a hard time with that and important to note too when we're asking for the quorums it doesn't it's not a commitment yet it's just saying that you're available as of that time and we'll get back to you as soon as possible to confirm that that date is ago and I am relying on memory here which is not good I had a couple other notes the brown act that a reminder to everybody you'll see emails coming in from members of the public and what have you city staff will generally put that big header at the top that says please don't reply to all but regardless of that little alert is there please don't reply to all because that's a violation of the brown act so if you can if there's something that you want to forward to me and ask me to send to people I'm happy to do that and assist you that's part of my job and yeah if you could just make sure you don't reply to all it's a housekeeping measure that we're reminding all of our board members don't worry nobody's in trouble and I think that does it for me okay thank you Ms. Murray okay just a quick question do you think we'll have a second meeting in March very good question we don't have it set yet we're thinking about a special meeting or a second meeting on March 30th there was some discussion about it I don't expect that will happen I think that's going to wait until May because it's not something that we have the staff time to really think about but yeah as it stands there was some discussion I don't anticipate a second meeting in March okay thank you okay moving on to item number six statement of extensions by board members so we do have an item tonight 1122 McDonald Avenue do we have any board members from that board member I I have a conflict I live two doors down from the applicant okay let me ask Ms. Murray I don't believe we're taking action on this tonight if I'm correct I think this is a concept item you are correct and board member called me earlier and I checked with city attorney's office and confirmed that he does need to recuse himself regardless if action is being taken or not because of his proximity to the subject site okay thank you thought that was the case but I thought I'd just double check okay any other members board member Wong I think you can go ahead and excuse yourself at this point this is the only item that we have tonight so we'll be adjourning after this item so can I listen in as a participant you certainly can you'll just have to turn your video off I think I'll exit and then get back in as a participant okay board member Wong I can make you an attendee so that you don't have to log off and then log back on perfect thank you there you go and the old days when we used to meet and they said they just send you into the next room they had a nice big TV screen you could watch that there people will be back to that one of these days soon okay item 7 we're not saying none so we're going to move on to item 8 our schedules items before we get to that we check in with the ex parte communication disclosure so I'll kind of start it off I went by the site and reviewed the site did not speak to anyone but I did stop by and look at the site anyone else board member Warren you know if you'd like to go forward you know let me go ahead and repeat Mike we're having a real hard time hearing you so what he said is that we're not taking any action so no ex parte disclosure is involved here since it's required here since it's a concept item and Mike again we're having a real hard time hearing you here I go remember to do ex parte and that now it's not required this time so I learned something every single meeting so board member Garrett although it's not required in light of being totally transparent I used to live two doors down from the beans and I know them well and consider them friends and I've also discussed this with them over the last year so I just think I should be upfront about that okay thank you very much board member Garrett we're going to move on to item 8.1 this is a concept item this is the bean front yard brick and walkway landmark alteration at 1122 Donald avenue I'll read the quick background concept landmark alteration permit to obtain guidance from the cultural heritage board on the following proposed changes at brick steps from brick walkway to the porch replace rotten wood steps from driveway to porch with bricks at brick skirt to front of house to cover foundation at porch height replace existing brick concrete driveway with brick install brick walkways in the front install small fountain on brick walkway to front door replace existing rotten porch deck with brick and landscape hardscape brick so with that I'm going to kind of do like we've done in the past we'll get back to the staff report from miss tomah two means say your last name again I'm sorry two means two means yes you got it right that was that right okay and then I don't know is the applicant going to be saying anything tonight okay then we'll hear from the applicant then I'll let the board of staff and the applicant for clarification and do we need to open this up for public hearing since it's a concept not public hearing but public comment yeah open it up then we'll open up for public comment we'll close public comment and then give board members an opportunity for questions again then introduce the resolution and go from there then have our discussion after the resolutions discussed are open so miss two means it's all yours thank you let me share my screen so this is a concept landmark concept review for 1122 mcdonald avenue and a concept review by the cultural heritage board is a complimentary service for homeowners within historic preservation districts and it's actually encouraged that they visit the cultural heritage board for a concept review prior to embarking on a project so they can get some guidance from the board and you already went through this list but the project description includes eight items that would alter the front facade and most of them involve landscaping and hardscape in the front of the house brick walkways to the porch rotten wooden steps from driveway to the porch adding a brick skirt to front of house replacing existing brick concrete driveway with brick installing brick walkways installing a small fountain replacing rotten porch deck with brick and various other landscape modifications to the front that would affect the front facade so this is an aerial of the project site it's near the corner of McDonald Avenue in Spencer and here is the applicant site plan showing the planned landscape configuration and here is the original street elevation of the front front of the house here are the proposed changes to the front of the house you can see the brick along the bottom 16 inches of the house and a little bit of the brick walkway here is a the type of brick that the applicant has chosen to use and I will let him, I'll let the home owner discuss this a little bit more in detail but here are some original site photos of the home before any alterations took place and here are current site photos as you can see the front yard is divided into four quadrants with brick I don't believe the porch has been altered but I'll let the home owner go through that he's also he has a photo presentation after my PowerPoint concludes this is not a project this is a request for the CHB to provide comments and direction for a concept review item and it's exempt from CEQA because there's no action being taken tonight and with that here is my contact information in case anyone from the public has any follow-up questions or comments I can be reached at srcity.org and my work number is 7707-543-4692 and with that the home owner would like to share some photos and describe his proposed changes in greater detail with you all. Thank you Ms. Tumas until we have the homeowner coming on there he is we can hear you Jeff you need to turn your video back to me how do I do that we're only able to control permissions to speak for our applicants cameras are not enabled I'm not sure how to turn on the camera I'm sorry this is Susie Murray and you don't need to turn on your camera I don't think you are able to do that we'll just need your volume we just need to hear you can you hear me I'm Jeff Spien at 1122 McDonald Avenue representing me and my wife Shelly we purchased this house a year ago and began work on the outside landscaping and would like to make these changes listed in our project this house is a craftsman bungalow style meaning that it's got a low profile low to the ground usually these bungalows have one or two steps to a front porch as this one does I think that adding brick steps and brick skirt would be an appropriate alteration to the to the building site do you guys have questions of me I could go on Mr. Bean I do have the photos that you provided would you like me to share those now sure that would be great so this is a photo of the original wood steps which were off the north side of the porch to the driveway there were no steps off the west side of the porch facing the street as you can see the steps are very deteriorated and as was the porch the porch was like the steps made out of two by six I think Doug Fur and was rotten and was actually falling in in parts the previous owner had a mat over the part with the hole so that someone wouldn't fall in I did remove that old porch and these steps and made a new porch base I'm still waiting to put in brick steps you can advance to the next photo this is just the current view next photo please this this is the house next door located at 1128 mcdonald avenue originally this house and my house at 1122 were both built at the same time in 1922 these houses were built as mirror images for two sisters who were going to live there as I have heard next photo please this is the house next door in greater detail obviously some changes have been made to that house as if no longer looks like a mirror image of my house could you go back to the previous photo please I just want to note that this house has a brick porch and two brick steps to the porch same as I'm proposing next photo next photo this is my house at 1120 mcdonald avenue in 19 sorry in 2018 we went before the cultural heritage board to change existing wood steps and wood skirt to brick steps brick skirt we were approved by the cultural heritage board to do that and this is the result of our changes to the porch and steps next photo just a schematic showing in red where the brick would be next I did include photos of nearby houses in the neighborhood I walked around the block and took photos of other houses most of them also craftsmen with a couple steps to the front porch showing to give an idea of how many houses in one block area also have brick steps to a brick porch do we have those photos available it's called photos of nearby houses I didn't realize you sent me additional photos photos I thought they were the same ones no I sent them because they weren't included in the photos when I stepped on the computer Ms. Murray do you have those photos I can get them I don't know that we can introduce those photos at this point but it's a concept item so I think that maybe we could save those photos when it comes back and it's because of the brownhawk because we should post those photos in advance of the meeting but I think just explaining what's in the photos it would be adequate for the board members to hear and we will certainly share them with them in the future the point of those photos was to show that most of the craftsmen bungalows with wood steps are those that are a story and a half most of them the ground level starts six or eight steps above the ground the first floor level and my thought in the pictures is to show how common it is for these craftsmen bungalows to have brick to a brick porch and I I've got a whole slew of them in the one block radius just to point out that I'm in keeping with the historic neighborhood are there any questions of me okay do any more for board member Garrett I always have questions hi Mr. Bean I'm going to call you Mr. Bean for some public meeting I do have two questions you have an original photo of the house and where it shows the stairs to the porch on the north side and no front stairs it appears that there is a wall which would be typical on these craftsmen cottages to the front facing the McDonald Avenue a side of the house it was that removed that wall at the front of the house it looks like there's planting in front of it or maybe Ivy on it what you're talking about is common in craftsmen homes this is a craftsman bungalow and it did not have that wall oh was that a hedge there yes box with hedge okay thank you and then I have one other question how many rows of the original siding are you removing to put the brick is the basically apply the brick to the foundation I'm hoping to not remove any and just put a waterproof barrier over it with a piece of angled metal that will divert the water out from the siding onto the top of the brick skirt so you would protect and divert and then cover it looks like it would be maybe five rows of that siding on the front side of the house that you would have to cover to add the brick is that correct I believe it's only three or four but I was planning to maintain that okay and then one other quick question when I walked by the other day I noticed there's a big concrete pad at the south end of the is that going to be a little patio there or yes okay okay then it will be covered with brick right it is okay is it already or well yeah it is okay you move quickly okay thanks Jeff yeah the board members have any questions Mr. Bean yes board member I was just curious where in this I see the quadrants where would your fountain be in the middle of in between the four right in the center on the path to the front door ah okay the board member sorry I'm still looking at this old photo um there it looks like there was a beam at the below the roof there that connected to a post and then to the house um and that's no longer there so what is what's holding what went in its place at the corner where at the house there were there were two beams holding up to the roof above the force they were rotten and were replaced those are posts not beams posts the beams is there the posts I gotta go because my mom those are posts the beam is still there yes okay right underneath the roof okay thank you yeah any other questions go ahead with me I know you're not able to make action any action on this uh this evening but I just want to point out that I submitted my request for this uh in early September nearly nine uh six months ago and I'm anxious to get this done so I'm hoping that at your next meeting March 16th that you'd be able to take action on this project so I can get moving along okay I'm sorry I have another question in light of that are you putting in a fence in that looks like a planting space between the sidewalk and where the brick um yeah yes that's my plan it would be a really great idea if you put that on your next set of plants so you don't have to get a separate permit for that I was told by the city staff that any fence less than I think it was four feet tall does not require a permit is that true um planner uh two names okay so it may not require a building permit but um most alterations to a uh an historic district require some level of review let me double check and I will get you an answer thanks because it seems as if it would be a giant hassle for them to have to come back for another permit hmm for member fennel when I put my um picket fence in my um front yard it wasn't a major landmark alteration um so it wasn't required to come before the board but the I think the height requirement was three feet um and it had to be get in style and was definitely limited the three feet we had one that came before us last year it came before us solely because it was a four foot fence on Tupper Street so I have the code open right now and for a minor um uh fences walkways and decks and as a list of things would require a minor landmark alteration of any fence that also requires a use permit so fences that exceed the height limit in a setback so um anything above three feet in the in the front setback would require a major landmark alteration permit so um but if this item is already going forward for a major landmark alteration permit and it can be the fence can be included along with it okay I'll draw that up and submit well as as as chair I probably have a stupid question um I'm curious what in this project specifically triggered the major landmark alteration permit was it the facade on the building I'm just wondering if we're getting into the weeds on landscaping well as I was informed by city staff it's that brick skirt that um triggered it if I wanted to attach it to the building the city said that if I left a little space between the building and that brick skirt and built the same brick skirt looks exactly the same from the street um then it's a landscape feature and I don't need to go through all this um which I I think is really ridiculous that if there's a tiny space I don't need to do this at all if it touches the house then all of a sudden it's a major landmark alteration so um so I missed Mr. Bean it might also be the change of the porch to the brick as well and the brick steps going up to the porch that change but I just wanted to clarify that as far as the the driveway the sidewalks and that type of stuff and correct me if I'm wrong but that is something that we need to really and time and consideration that our focus is really on those elements that affect the structure of the house and that's a lot of approval for the driveway walkways through the city on it on another thing okay okay and my wife would actually like to have a wood porch so if I can't have a brick porch then maybe I'll stay with wood okay okay I'm going to go ahead and just take a minute and open this up for just public comment if we have any members of the public that are out there um and Miss Hopwood do you see anybody who would like to comment we don't see any raised hands at this time okay we're going to go ahead and close the public comment I think because Mr. Bean is looking for direction from the board at this point and the project I'd like to see if we have board members that could give some specifics to him that will help him with having a positive experience in his remodel so I'll open that up okay board member Gatt seems to be my role to start it off that's okay I want to say something but then I'm going to suggest well anyway our processing review procedures say that wood steps and porches should not be replaced by any other material other than wood however having had a very large wood redwood porch that has been used in the house that constantly the steps and the porch rotted out because they get wet in a rain I have no issue with the brick with replacing that porch and the steps with brick steps mainly because it's makes more sense from a material point of view I took photos as well that I gave to Mr. Bean and his wife of all the brick porches and most of them were replacement porches on Mcdonald avenue and nearly half of all the porches are brick and there are smattering of concrete porches and then the rest are wood but as you all are probably aware redwood is no longer a hardwood and it doesn't hold up and so for that reason I would be fine with there changing it to brick I do however have a problem and I've already spoken with the beans about this in the past so but I do have a problem with changing the siding of the house and cladding it with a faux brick a narrow or flat brick basically because it will still be proud of the siding itself and it is not an architectural feature of a historic house historic houses typically overhang their foundation by a couple inches and this is a contributor to the neighborhood so I do have a problem with that part I don't know if there's a way it can be changed I don't if it goes up to the porch and covers the foundation that part doesn't bother me but it's going on to the house where the house is forward a little bit forward so I'm not using faux brick or thin brick I'm using I'm not sure what you're talking about well I would assume that if you're putting Tyvek or whatever over the siding then adding brick that foundation will appear to be will appear to be deeper than the house itself and it will appear that the house is sitting two inches back or whatever on the brick on the foundation do you see what I mean and most houses sit forward a little bit of the foundation and there's no precedence for this other than your own home which is next door which may have some of that but it doesn't show at all because of planting in front of it how are the bricks as my house was approved by the cultural heritage board so the planting as we put in later and it was it was a wood single skirt before Mr. Spade I have just a question the brick that will be the facade on the house how tall will that be 16 inches height of the porch yeah so basically basically you're going from the ground to pretty much interior floor height and so the area that you're covering is actually probably like your crawl space under the house I'm going to take kind of a different view than Board Member Garrett in that I would probably prefer if you did the brick to remove that section of lap siding that siding material that's on that house isn't unique it's a pretty standard there's probably a thousand houses or more in Santa Rosa that have that siding there's nothing really special about you can still buy that siding and I would like to see probably the brick applied like it would have been applied if it was done originally and that would have been just up tight against the shear wall and with a moisture barrier and then a flashing across the top that flashed between the horizontal siding and the top of the brick so that it looked like it would have been done originally the idea of leaving a space or putting it over the top I think it's going to visually not be very appealing as Board Member Garrett said and if we're going to have the brick there I think to apply it appropriately like it would have been done I had a Queen Anne Victorian for over 20 years and I replaced the wood porch three times so because you just can't get good material anymore and it just gets wet and it rots so I totally understand and being low to the ground as that wood porch is that just lends itself even more to be in contact with moisture so personally I don't have any problem with your project if it was coming before us tonight I would probably vote in favor of it so but other Board Members any other comments for Vice Chair Presalis? Thank you just a quick thank you for coming to us with this and I'm sorry that it took a while I know that you're eager to get it through I don't have any specific suggestions but just if it came to me I wouldn't have any problem with it I think it looks good so thank you Board Member Fennel I can just speak to the fact that with real estate I sell most of the homes I sell are in the historic districts and the majority of homes that have come before in the last two years have had so much dry rot and so much rot down near that skirting where the wood would be that I just actually had one in the Bervent Gardens that had a wood or had a brick facade on the front of the house that did overlap the front and that was the only place on the whole house that didn't have dry rot that needed to be treated so I think that I like the brick I think that brick is an important facade in the McDonnell District and I would like to be see them be able to protect their house with the brick in a way that the wood siding won't be able to that's it Thank you Board Member Fennel Board Member Warren I just have a drawing where you've put the red brick and then I'm going back to the photograph and it looks like the brick is going higher where you've drawn it than just even with the porch just curious about that even with the porch was the idea so with all that's been said is there any reason why wouldn't be able to move forward with putting in the brick steps at this point and brick start I'm going to jump in and interject the project scope does include the landscaping if the landscaping were on its own it would go to the zoning administrator but because it's not on its own it's part of the project scope I'd like to bring that back and no Board Members have comments about the landscaping and then I'm happy to address Mr. Bean's question about moving forward with work right now if you would like me to I just wanted to make one point again about the siding the siding does not come down to the ground it's six or eight inches above the ground there is a concrete foundation that's the way all the houses on McDonald Avenue are built with a concrete foundation and then historic houses on top this will have no contact with the ground it will certainly where the porch is I don't have an issue with that I have an issue with bringing the brick up the face of the siding it will only be in the front or go all the way around the house and so it changes the character of the building itself by going several courses of that clear heart redwood siding that's on there above the airspace the crawl space under the house it's just on the street side and it wraps around where the porch is where there's going to be steps on the other side not the entire house and I'm happy with all the landscaping I mean I think it looks fine and it looks very nice thank you very much okay miss vena so what I'm hearing so far is with regards to your project that everything looks to be approved with the exception of the brick over the lap siding on the house so you may have an issue with the board there also I think you should really talk to us regarding fencing so I think board member Garrett brought up a really good point that we don't want to surprise you and find out that when you go to put a fence up that you got to come back under a separate permit so if landscaping and is all part of this then gets your fence set set as well so that we can look at all of it at one point so any final comments or suggestions for Mr. Bean from our board members I have planned a white picket fence about three feet tall with pickets that are square and point at the top or similar to the fencing that was existing originally it's white not that heavy not that tall I think that's all you need to say when you submit it I really don't want to go over the siding with the brick that was my alternative if I didn't get the approval as suggested by city staff to leave a little space and go over the top of it but I'm more than happy to remove the bottom couple rows and put in a flashing and not put the brick against the siding that's my preferred way yeah could you keep the siding so that it could be replaced at a later time the siding I take off right it's readily available I checked it Golden State Lumber they have clear heart redwood siding yeah okay they have the same pattern it's not old growth but it's clear heart it's young heart redwood okay any final comments chair muser so could I proceed with my brick steps I'm happy to respond to that chair muser before I do I'm going to ask you if I don't need to catch you off guard but I'm wondering if you might be able to provide a summary of the board comments in terms of any direction that the beans would have going forward and hear a lot of comments but if you did I want to make sure they don't miss them and we'll put them into our minutes and then to address Mr. Bean's question no you cannot start your work there is no action being taken tonight and this needs to be come back to the board and get approval before you do the work okay well so I recall and I heard correctly board member Garrett is doesn't have any issue with the landscaping or with the brick porch or with the brick steps going up to the porch but would prefer to not see the lap siding on the house replaced with brick am I correct with that okay board member board member Prats Ellis thank Mr. Bean for his patience and understanding of taking so long and did not indicate to have any issues with the project am I correct by sure okay and board member Boren did not indicate to have any issues with the current project is that correct board member Boren and board member Fennell supported the concrete I mean the brick porch and the brick steps and also acknowledge that the brick on the replacing the siding on the house would serve to help reduce dry rot and those issues that she has experienced and seen anything else board member Fennell okay and my comments were that that I support the project as it stands but with not a big deal but just would prefer to see if there was going to be brick replacing the lap siding that it be done in a manner that it would have been done originally that the brick would have a proper footing foundation under it and that it would be properly flashed and done like it would have been done if the building was being built new and that would be limited to just the 16 inches which is basically your crawl space in the house okay we capture that okay with that unless any board members have any further comments unless Mr. Bain do you have any further comments okay we can put Mr. Bain on, I see a hand could I request to be on the agenda for the March 16 meeting to hopefully get a vote and proceed Mr. Bain you're going to need to work with Kristin Aitoumian your planner to schedule that and it's too late to get on the March 16th meeting that meeting has been officially cancelled at this point or well it's yeah we'll be officially cancelled because we're past all deadlines so but work with Kristin Aitoumian she'll be able to help you get on the next available agenda or on the soonest available agenda maybe not the next one and there's no meetings in April correct okay my apologies Mr. Bain for the delays being the personal restorer of three different that is hard and I know that living in a historic district and the additional regulations make it tough in the end though you just have to believe that it's worth it anyway I know you're going to have another substantial delay but we hope to see you back in April or as soon as possible thank you all for having me and your attention to my project appreciate it okay thank you okay with that I don't see any other business thank Mr. Bain thank you staff city staff and thank all the board members for joining in and being here today and we'll see you at the next one bye bye