 Hello everyone and welcome back to enter the ether of the podcast all about the upcoming third-person mobile ethereal clash of souls I am your host the mangoes joining me as always is my friend and co-host jelly knees. How you doing jelly? I am doing fantastic mangoes. Your hair looks fantastic. I just don't now notice that. I don't know why We've been talking for like 10 minutes and I just looked up. I was like damn jelly's hair looks good We're off of the laptop camera and laptop microphone this week We're back in the actual good camera good microphone space, which feels good for me Right on it sounds a lot better. I'll tell you that right meow I feel that because listening back to what I was like dear god Hey, you got to do what you got to do sometimes Oh So at the time of this recording gets what three days until the or at the time of this releases for technically Four days four days depending on how you count days. Yes for yeah Yeah, so oh, it's so close the stress test is so close dude It's it's exciting and terrifying at the same time internally because we're sitting there going like it'll be great But what if it's terrible like oh? Man, I hope it's great. I hope it's great. Yeah, absolutely. We need to What are the things I stress best? So if you haven't signed up yet still have a chance to do that Emails won't start going out until that morning to get you access get into the whole thing So it'll be exciting for that and it's all random except of course for patrons get Booted up to the front of the line, which is appropriate. Yep Absolutely, we've seen an influx of patrons as well, which is nice to see and even we had a post that went out today as of recording and Even a bunch of people like this is the best patreon post yet And so it's exciting to see that kind of stuff be it be said man. Yeah that post I haven't looked at it yet Man, you know you literally There's a post you're gonna want to see it you know what and didn't read it You know what I've been doing This has nothing a theory related, but the over primes competition with their Uploading the thing I've been going through and like anybody who has done like any amount of work on their submission I've been giving them a like if you didn't do anything if you just recorded it You get no like but if there's like music in the background or you put some words in there You get a like you get a like for me like I love the bar is it Good there you go pretty much that's what I said I was like if they put any effort whatsoever in I'm giving them a like My gosh, mr. Maga grucks over here and those make a Gora great again. Oh, it doesn't work with Elysium though It does not it does not Shit Well what we're gonna be talking about tonight is with the influx of people that are gonna be playing There's gonna be people playing some wild builds. They're gonna play and be playing some Roles in lanes that we've never seen them being played before I'm sure we're gonna see stuff like Marina jungle and Noxus jungle and Marina mid lane and Talos support which I love to do but we're gonna talk a little bit about That kind of thing I specifically wanted to talk about some builds that I found were a little off-kilter But actually worked out for me as well as roles that are a little off-kilter that Worked out really well for me And you know me I'm all about those kind of off-meta weird kind of picks or builds that work So I love it the troll builds are that's the most fun part of any mobile thing when you can figure out some wacky build That actually ends up working out for you That's there's a thing in other movies called ultimate bravery where it randomizes the items and just gives you a random seven items What have an ethereal case so we we should do that. We'll just get some ultimate bravery going mangoes We can set it up somehow so it just randomly picks off of the web page or Absolutely set up an ultimate bravery competition. Oh my god. I'm so down. I'm so down for that if we can get 10 more people To come in come in with us In a stop we want to deal with my bravery I'll build something out over the next week before it happens to make sure that we have we have Oh my god, this is gonna be great Just right it's the most random ever instead of a ram. That's just all random items. I like that. I like that a lot But speaking of these sort of troll builds One that I didn't think would work out and ended up working out Fantastic is light magical life steal Iran Holy shit. Oh, is that just brutal? Like it's the kind of thing that I wouldn't think on the surface would be any good There's only two real magical life steal items in the game, but just with those two items. You're constantly radiating that damage So you're just constant. It's like having like chimera stacks just constantly Yeah, you're just endlessly sapping if you're doing damage, you're getting health back like it's just all it is It is so much sustained. There's a reason it got swiftly nerfed after it was discovered It was one of those things of like magical life steal is strong on everybody, but especially Iran like Just absolutely one of our testers Fumo Decided to just start building it and it was just like, oh, oh, yeah, that's a problem. That's not okay Like I'm a fed Malaya that can do zero damage to Iran because it's just healing it all back over time crazy I'm pretty sure I played it post nerf like after it was nerfed and it was still Really strong. Yeah, I mean it's we didn't want to absolutely get rid of it Yeah, but we wanted to bring it more in a state that it was actually something you could combat if you were doing well in all these things Yeah, because you could build We put it in a state that if Iran is going magical life seal You build the anti-heal items feeding quarterings edge scorch phantom or forbidden book If you build any of those three items then it brings it down to a state where it's not just oppressive Right, right, and that's those are also those same three items are direct counters to Malaya for the same reason Right is her healing is really strong if she gets ahead. Oh god But if you build these items, I've had people that I'll go from destroying them one second To running away in fear just because this item turned on and I'm not healing nearly as much as I was anymore. I Start fighting them halfway through. I'm like, why am I? Oh, they have that item by That's another one that I that I enjoyed playing but Really wasn't all that great was off lane Malaya Like she's really just better in the jungle, but it was fun to try her out at least in in off lane just Talos is much stronger early game Until she gets some items and some levels and stuff and that's usually you're up against in the off lane Yeah, I just got shredded by Talos trying to use her I got I was hoping my life steal would sustain me through it and everything I've seen I think that eventually Malaya off lane could work if there were different off lane heroes I think the current I think her big issue right now is the matchups in off lane are just always against her Oh, yeah in a straight one to one-to-one fight in the early game Whereas if you if once we get more characters added to the game and you have different off laners There's the potential she could be good in some matchups there, but yeah, the current matchups just absolutely dominate against her So what are some troll bills that you've tried that either worked or didn't work So I the big two that come to mind is building 80 carry Noxus and Basically you just build all on hit items Specifically the one you go first is called ring of enchantment ring of enchantment gives you a tax feed Magical power and then every basic that you hit deals additional magic damage So you build that first you get a little bit of everything that you want on Noxus If you're going this 80 carry build because you want that attack speed Then you start building those bows and some other on hit items and you will just shred whoever you want Because you drop your roots you throw your R on them hits everybody that's rooted and while they're rooted You just spam basic attacks on them like nobody's business. What are they gonna do about it? Nothing, they're rooted and you just destroy people with that sometimes and she has the longest basic attack range Out of anybody right now doesn't she Either between her and Dante, but it's pretty close. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I can see that working great. That would be so much fun So much fun Now and in lane with Marina where Marina charms Noxus roots, and then it's just over Oh, there's just there's just nothing you can do about it. That's nasty Now how does it deal with towers though? Can you this is is it still like slapping a tower with a wet noodle or do you destroy towers? You you do more damage to towers because of ring of enchantment the the passive on it gives you extra damage to towers as well So that helps clear some towers down But until you get that item you struggle a little bit because it's just it's hard to get those that damage going You really have to manipulate those waves in order to get a good crash onto a tower I've been working on one, you know, I did those stupid little paragon animations I've been working on one for ethereal and that was that was part of it was Noxus like a minion wave comes in and she's like Like the minion wave blows up, but then she just runs up to the tower so Tell bar isn't moving at all. Yes. I can't wait to see that's what it feels like to play Noxus just Destroying everything except for towers That build I love right that's it against a Dante it can go relatively even he has the advantage early game Because you're really dependent on that item for basic attack Noxus But the other one that I've tried which went horribly and I mean like the worst thing I have ever done in a game and I mentioned it before is play try to play ability power Malaya No, no, no, do not if I start seeing you people build the ability power Malaya. I will be so angry Because I'll tell you I tried it myself No, it you would think that it would work great It doesn't know does she just not scale well like what is like what's going on there? Her only so the two things that scale with ability power in terms of effectiveness are her passive So her passive damage you know ability power So every six hits she does extra damage and her shield so she gets a bigger shield with her ability power The problem is that that doesn't give her any damage. Yeah past her passive and so her clear Slows down so her first item slows down and for that you also need that ring of enchantment because you want a tax feed on her still and so Needing to wait to even longer to get that first item on her is just it just doesn't do it If you got super ahead and then the first couple minutes got a handful of stack where you're right-click your special ability stacks Yeah, maybe you could do it But you'd have to be so far ahead and it would still put you in a relatively like even state to everybody else It wouldn't give you that lead that you have built up because of it Whereas if you get a couple special ability stacks on her and go normal damage You will just win the game because that's how she's built. That's how she's supposed to be played Right is the ultimate feast or famine myth I I do love ring ring of the void on her. I know that one that was not one of her recommended But the ring of void what it does is it gives you a seven seven percent Um true health burn over like what five seconds. I think it is I think some more around there Yeah, but then that's applied with ability hit and man That chunks and people down like That's an item. Yeah, you're playing marina and you build ring of void Oh, you dropped that pool on an enemy team and just all of them get hit by all burning that y'all that is so much damage I mean, it doesn't happen immediately And like you're just refreshing it whenever you're not stacking it You're just refreshing it when you up hit hit more abilities, but man It's enough just one one hit of it is enough, especially coming out of marina. You're not expecting Seven percent of your health bar to be taken away from Yeah And something if you want to sustain your own health as marina without needing to spam cues If you build epic hats epic hat is one of the starting items It's passive is it gives you omni vamp. So it's just general healing against for any damage you do She drops that on a minion wave every tick of damage is giving her one health from every minion in the wave Well, so she can sustain herself hardcore. I did that the other day and I was like, this is amazing I love just dropping one ability and being full health again. Right like go everywhere together Maybe that'll be part of my off lane marina build Oh, there you go That kind of takes us into um Sort of the the weird sort of picks. I really love iran support I'm going to put the iran's my iran support footage in in uh over top of us as as we're talking but Magically but um And I didn't fare very well that game at all that's because his grab was disabled for The um for the streamer event the extra life event But even without That even without his grab My my adc was pretty much ungankable every time they would try and dive in on him I would just fear and it was done gank over Everybody's feared and running away. It was so easy. Just right click and and you end a gank and then Like I have played iran support before before that when they had his grab enabled and holy shit Anybody comes past that mid lane midway point of the lane. You just grab them fling them under your tower and they're screwed Yep, iran is a stupid good support. He doesn't get his stacks Like you don't get the stacks of damage And health for him, but his utility in cc is just through the roof So he can definitely be played as a support Similarly to talos if someone steps up too far you just kick knock them up and what are they going to do about it? You got so you lane so much consistent damage on them Just because they stepped out of line, right? And I think that's the big thing kind of the reason we're okay with talos and iran being played as supports Even though I wouldn't do it right, but it we're okay with them existing that way is because they're not just They're not free wins being supports Right. It still requires the enemy team to step out of line that still requires It requires some kind of other force to be able to utilize that combo Just like marina just like the actual support we have in the game right to use her charm They have to get close to her to deal damage with r. They have to be there Like there there's still these conditions that have to be met to land those strong abilities But when they are landed they are then really rewarded at the same time. Oh, yeah I I'll often say that I like the the playmaking supports more than a healing type support marina is a healing type support She can make plays of course, but I think talos and iran are far more of a playmaking sort of all in style support but um I did I did pick talos to support against that iran support and that was half absolute hell That was a nightmare. That was just like straight up hard counter because as talos to get To get anything done I got to be able to get close to the enemy as soon as I get close to the enemy iran grabs me and Chucks me under the tower And that that's exactly the that's the rock paper scissors We want in the game right is great talos supports strong play iran Oh iran is really strong play marina where you can sit back and just hang out and just deal damage from afar Like there are answers to each of the things as they go through And like again, you can't really save people with talos and iran as well as you can with marina Like if iran grabs somebody checks them under her tower marina can shield that person enough that they can get away Another kind of off meta pick has been that we've seen recently is the lia off lane Yeah, and I've heard about that Dominating in the off lane and part of it Part of that's because the matchup is new to people right so they're not used to playing against lia directly But lia because of the way she was set up she was able to sit at range clear minions effectively stacker passive and heal all at the same time Just using her abilities and then if her jungler showed up She jumps in the air jumps down lands on the person free gank like she sets up the ganks for herself right essentially Which has been really interesting to see and we actually had to alter her slightly to make her more balanced in a lane and in the jungle at the same time because it was beginning It was getting to the point where lia in lane Was a hundred times better than lia in the jungle Right, you don't want that so we had to adjust her ranges and adjust her damages in certain ways to bring her more So that you could play her in lane But there she's slightly better in the jungle, which is where she's intended for lack of a better way to put it I could also see like When you're off lane a lot of times with your tower if your if your lanes are pushed up or whatever You want to just go grab a camp real quick So much easier with lia because you just fly over to it The other person's got to walk Well, we just flies over to the camp clears it flies on back to lane like nothing happened big deal right there, dude Yeah, no, she's she's crazy But honestly, I mean, I know skifter has played daunte jungle and performs decently with it Oh, really with his with his grenade. He can clear camps fairly quickly if you max his grenade first Or you line You can line up the camp to get a solid Q off and then hit all three of the minions or four however many are in that camp Yeah, and so he's able to do not the best clear but a decent clear And then having that roll helps him initiate ganks a little bit better Or line up ganks a little bit better and so it was it was decent I wouldn't say it was like the best jungler in the game But it by it wasn't any ap malaya So I guess we just can put it the higher slightly higher on the tier list than that You mean a ap marina, right? No, no, I mean ap malaya jungle daunte jungle is better than ap malaya jungle. There's no question No question That's how bad ap malaya jungle is Does she her abilities don't really do a lot of damage just her it's just her her right click her. I mean her r her Her speed boost thing What do you want to dash dash her dash does damage Her bleed does damage. Yep Everything else is basically tech base and her passive Yeah Yeah, yeah, I could totally see that then Like if the only thing you're boosting really is your dash then In a little bit of bleed. Yeah, no, it does it doesn't work Um, but honestly there I'm sure there's plenty of matchups. We haven't seen I heard no, is it you that was saying you wanted to play talos marina Somebody's been wanting to play talos. Yes. That was my bad. I forced bearded into that. I thought bearded had more Experience with talos. I kind of wish I would have had him go marina and I would have gone talos for that I think it would work really well. I think having talos as the carry and marina supporting. I think that would work really well, but Yeah, I'm sure bearded had zero clue how to play talos. So it kind of backfired on us a bit Um, we've seen some talos jungle coming through recently Which is the nice because I love talos jungle. I think it's fun It's not as quick to start as the other junglers But it is still doable and if you can get going being able to have a run and talos on your team effectively Is really useful. Yeah Hmm. Oh, here's one thing I keep meaning to ask and it's completely off topic Is there a field of view slider in the game? There's not currently okay Because bearded's bearded's footage it looked like he was closer Like his camera was closer to daunte than My camera was closer to marina. Maybe it was just the way his stream was set up or something. I don't know Maybe I'll have to look into it and see I haven't I actually haven't seen that So it's have to look and see what it is and what was different That's one complaint. I've seen a few times though. Is that The uh, the myths look a little too small on screen Interesting, okay That's that I kind of agree with it. I mean the view that you see Like the view I'm seeing from marina. That's the view I want to see whenever I cast an ability I want it to be in when I go to cast ability it zooms out And then comes back in all right Yeah, I mean that's one of the things we're working on is Getting that camera positioned a little bit more and then having those abilities move the camera depending on what's going on And all that stuff as well cool And then I want x-ray kills Which you guys could do that Yeah, exactly If we do some bullet time whenever I dodge something bullet time. Yeah, you want some uh What is it? You want some uh aim assist right there? Thank you Where you just left click and the bullet spins around to make sure and hit whoever you're aiming at Yeah, yeah Oh, yeah every 10 minutes. I want the lanes to shift Altitude. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Let me let me get right on that for you Oh, you know the idea that I did think of that I think is really cool There's no river in fire or ice, right? Right. Well Correct. Okay. Now I say this with all love But the caves the fire and the ice cave look like shit sticking out the side of fire and ice lane Turn that into a dragon dragon's head like a wyvern's head And have the river flow from one side and then out the mouth And then down to void Okay, I could see it That's not a lot of work. So you should be able to do it Oh, yeah, no, not at all. You know, I'll just I'll just call the bar map designers You're like, hey, you know what mangoes have this great idea. I would love to see it on my desk tomorrow Thanks. Would that be cool though? If there was waterfalls going off the side lanes from like a river coming off the side lanes I mean, maybe not do our dragon's head coming out of the dragon's mouth, but if you do No, you heard it here level designers But I share the 10% of anything you guys get for that idea Um I always have to get my 10% everybody No, no, no, not everybody just you and me Not sock up. That's right. Who was that? Was that stunt? Stunt or bearded. I don't remember if one of them, but yeah, it might have been bearded It sounds like something I would say to bearded that he's not gonna get shit Oh Cool, but yeah, I mean, I can't think of any other crazy. I'm sure there's one I'm missing Uh a ron jungle has actually proven proven to be Ridiculously strong. Yeah, I figured he would be a jungler I I thought he would be a jungler from the beginning because it was berserker status Man, that's going to change things a lot too now that The reaper and the berserker passives are going to be in the game Like it's gonna be a whole new game Those two classes can open up Almost infinite possibilities of ganks potential for each other Yeah Right and so if you're pushed up by any means you could think okay. I have all the way back to my tower. I'm clear No, you're not because they can come up and over the wall or bust the wall down and you're just not safe anymore Yeah, it's it's gonna change the game A lot. I'm sure I think stunt said it best Like the time absolutely flies when you're playing ethereal And I think it's because you're constantly engaged. There's never a time when you're like, oh Just over here farming minions. No, you're always like, you know, was that lia shadow? Did I see lia shadow? No, no, that was something else. That was something else, you know, dude The panic that sets in when you see lia shadow overhead You see like the slightest feather fly by on your screen. Was that lia? Like like a ptsd almost of lia's jumping in on you. Oh my god Yeah, it is scary. I think it's awesome that you guys do have her shadow in there because you can't see her coming sometime You see the shadow on the ground. It's like, oh, shit Let's get ready Unless you're playing a ron support, then you're just like, yeah, come on in. I'll just right click and then do it Yeah, no big deal. You know, bye everybody So for all of you that are going into the stress test because now I know a bunch of people are going to be playing a ron support Bane of my existence. It's because it's bad lia's shield is immune to cc until it's destroyed So she can't get grabbed and she can't get feared. I'm just putting that out there for you junglers Please god Don't just run in and not use your shield And don't just use your shield to absorb damage and only and only that I see that a lot I see that a lot No, you gotta use that whenever I go into a fight with a chalice. I'm just like, and nope, you can't kick me Thank you Does if he kicks the shield, is he allowed to use the knockup afterwards? Yes, so it still does count as him connecting the ability Because damage is still dealt But just the cc is not applied to malaya. So he can still use the knockup then thereafter The what I've seen a lot is you'll get a kick He'll use his q twice which usually breaks down the shield And then he'll uppercut so he can land that actual second part of the cc on malaya Oh, okay, right. There you go. Talos means the counter to the thing. I just said counters Iran I got you that's what I'm here for I'm gonna tell you guys right now too if you're playing talos if you do play talos on the stress test You have stamina. You don't have mana use that shit Like whether there's a midian wave don't sit there just killing them one by one Go r sweet through with your with your bleed Q the front part of the wave Turn the fuck around q the other part of the wave wave clear Yep, and you get all that gold you didn't have to sit there Wait for last hits Absolutely That was a mistake. I saw a lot of talos people making as they didn't They seem to be afraid to use their abilities and it's like you're you're not gonna run out of mana like yeah Back up for a couple seconds regen. You're back in the fight. No big deal Yeah, super good. I I can't wait to see what people do during this stress test I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of malaya play that I see that I just die a little bit inside But it's fine. I'll be fine, you know That kind of ties into our weird builds thing I discovered that mana regen items of work on talos splendidly Like his stamina regen is pretty quick anyway, if you get just one mana regen item on talos it's like You use all your stamina here it comes. Is it all here? It comes it's You can just queue forever. You can just Walk around queuing across the map and it's like nothing ever happens. All right. I'm gonna tell skip through to remove that right now No, don't don't tell If man goose mana regen doesn't work on talos. Okay done There we go. There we go. I can deal with that. Just don't take that happiness away from others I will try not to Oh crap. Do you have anything else to talk about jelly? I think that's it for me man goose I'm just excited for the stress test to see what other people think get as many people in as possible the whole nine Same here and I hope after that stress test. We're breaking out the kazoo's and Not not and not the tissues the wipe away tears Agreed. Yeah. Well, I will go out and buy kazoo's and just to celebrate if Wait, why would you I thought you just had bags and bags of kazoo's just I mean I do But that doesn't mean that I know where they are since I moved I Imagine this giant box that just labeled kazoo's I mean we're approaching national kazoo days. So, you know, it's possible. I gotta break them out So I was like, what's in this box? Holy shit. It's actually kazoo's like just all kazoo's Just mark h on there for hornet I feel like anybody that knows me knows that that's just a possibility opening boxes would just be like, yeah That tracks All right Okay. All right, jill. You got anything to plug Just that I'm starting streaming again tonight as a woman recording. I'm doing marvelous monday. Oh nice So, yeah, we'll be doing that again. So I'll be doing that. It's the minimum every monday Being marvelous monday and all those things but angus, what about you? What are you up to? I'm gonna go watch you play marvelous monday Yay I was going to go play some fault, but uh, no, I'm gonna go watch marvelous monday. Yeah Geez Get a real get a real game now. Go read the patreon post. We're gonna god. Yeah. Okay. I'll read that first. All right Do it jill. He's gonna beat me up. He's gonna somehow sabotage my marvel. I know it and the box the kazoo's to your house Well, that would just be a reward I can always use it though. Is it though? Yeah, it is it is All right, folks that's going to do it for this week. Um If you get to the stress test, you try some weird shit out Let us know about it. Let us know how it goes for you so that we can start using your build too If it's incredibly successful If you use somebody, you know, if you go dante jungle if you go marina jungle or something like that Let us know how it worked out. But uh until then I hope you all join us as we enter the ether man Shout out to channel members foolish blood hunter jelly knees meow mix for men stunt and ferret