 I'm very pleased that we now have two European commissioners or two former European commissioners around the table because I'm sure that at least both of you can explain to us why Philip is absolutely right and why the European Union and European Commission in particular completely failed in even making an attempt to have a common European identity. Well can I say that one of the eight basic skills that we're supposed to give our youngsters by the time of completion of compulsory education is cultural sensitivity and cultural expression. But of course curricula is up to the education ministers, the national education ministers to decide and I wonder how many have included that in the curricula. I really doubt it. How do you include cultural awareness in the curricula? I mean languages would be one very important thing. We have it. No English person speaks a foreign language, I mean it's just one of those. They simply ignore the other languages. Whereas Europeans, I mean continental Europeans are very good at languages. There's one exception of course. I lived in Paris for a while and people told me if you speak three languages you're tri-lingual, if you speak two languages you're bilingual, and if you speak one language you're French. But anyway Frits you have been in the European Commission for whatever four years, six years? Five years. Five years, right. What have you done there, you know, to help us to have a European identity? Very little. Both culture, both the concept of culture and the concept of European Federation do not help me as a practical politician in confronting the three problems that I had mentioned, but perhaps we still have 45 minutes. It will come to us in the remaining five. Frits if I may ask you are you a European? I am a Dutch citizen and therefore I am a European because all this nonsense about feeling European is nothing compared to reality. European is a person who is a legitimate subject of a country that belongs to the European Union. I find that admirable in your pragmaticism, but I simply don't agree. You're thinking of the Norwegians. No, but if I didn't have your European passport, if by some ghastly historical occurrence I was exiled to Papua New Guinea, I would still feel European and I would feel that because of the way I'd grown up, whether that is a particularly good thing. I think it has many good aspects. I think it also has very many highly problematic aspects, but I don't think it just resides in a passport. That is politically an impractical approach. A totally impractical approach. And it is what cannot hand feelings like that. Politics deals with facts and you're being exiled to Venezuela and still feeling European is not a fact that can be handled in European politics.