 Hello everyone. Welcome once again. I hope you had a lovely evening and today we're having the language diversity panel will have presentations from three different Wikimedians. So firstly, I'll invite Mia. She's an Indonesian language teacher for partners. She joined Japanese Wikipedia in 2017. And now she's a contact person for the joke Jakarta Wikimedia community. She's currently interested in dictionary and Wikisource. So Mia, I would like to invite you for your presentation. Good morning everyone. Okay, I hope you're healthy now. Because of this dinner curse last night. But I'm okay. Okay, so good morning. So I'm Mia from Indonesia and I live in Jakarta. Later I will show you my island. Okay. So this is my project, my personal project. So it's called Wikiswara. So basically it's just simple audio documentation in Japanese dictionary. So my name is Mia and my username is Kunir Asam. So actually Kunir means Kurkuma and Asam is Tamarin. So it's just like beverage. Okay, so yeah, this is the island of Java Island. So I live here in Jakarta. So it's quite far from Jakarta in eight hours by train or car. And Wikiswara comes from Wiki and Swara. Swara means voice in Japanese. And this is a Wikimedia Indonesia online scholarship in April and May last year because I was caught locked in my flat. So I couldn't go out and I couldn't go to my house. So I decided to take this grant to personal project. So Didi Kampot was a singer in Indonesia in 25 months. He sings Japanese language. But I just realized that one of his popular song is called Chidro, the title. But I just realized that Chidro T-I-N-D-R-O, this is not standard word. When I check in select library Japanese, yes, so Chidro using O doesn't appear. So actually Chidro using A is the standard word. So that is a common mistake in Japanese people. So mostly people just write not in standard word because the sound O is just like flexible. So in Japanese it doesn't have any particular rules which were using O in written or using something like that. So it's just common mistake. But because I'm a teacher, so I'm teaching Japanese language for foreigners too. So when foreigner learn Japanese, so maybe they will be confused. So I think dictionary is very important. This is just example. The meaning and the written word is very important. For the first sentence, it's bojoguro, okay. So it makes that my husband is sick. And then for the second one, it's bojoguro means my husband is true. So I have two husbands. Okay. So it must be, should be careful to write something. So maybe if we speak it's Loro and Loro, like it's very clear to be heard. But when it's come to return, so be careful. I don't have two husbands. I just only have one. Okay. And just a review when I was in university, so I know the Swedish workplace. So I decided to check the Swedish workplace in Japanese dictionary. And then this is the basic steps in my project. The first one is the preparation, recording and publication. So the first one is about the research and check and the template and pages and then recording my voice. But don't expect I will go to the record. I'll do like fancy things. No, I will show you. And then uploading to comments and then attach them in dictionary. So the first one. I checked the Swedish workplace. And I found, and I realized that not all vocabularies in Japanese, it's available in our language. And then I decided to add some vocabularies in taste topic is like a spicy sweet something like that. And then I use this dictionary. So this website is very awesome. If you visit, it's very awesome. Yes, so one of the popular dictionary is written by. So it's very old dictionary, but I think in many people in Japanese volunteers also using this dictionary. Yes, and also I was signing up the templates because actually there's no rules or maybe there's no convention, which template is standard in Japanese dictionary. So I asked my style, so just use stuff in the community in Asia and he helped me so much for this project. And he proposed to use this template. It would be same. And then moving pages because actually the government who work for the language thing in my city, it has, they change the role of the diacritic, like the alphabet, the alphabet sound, sorry, the vocal sound. So I moved to use the new roles. Pages and then maybe this is you expect for me like using the fancy headphone and proceed microphone and I go to the sound proof room. Yeah, or maybe this is me when I was teaching so I use my headphone that just the standard thing. But I tried many microphone for that. And this met reality. So my phone actually is the best microphone that I've ever tried. Even I, I wear my husband's headphone like the gaming headphone and the microphone is not good. So I use my Samsung first recorder and then this is just my bedroom when I live alone. So it's not sound proof. So you know, the houses in Indonesia it's very close. So maybe my neighbor has chicken. So I should wait. Or maybe someone sells food. And yeah, it's very easy. So I should be patient. And then after that, I edit the, oh, this is, yeah, this is our DCT software. So this is free and it's very simple, even for me like as a beginner. So I dream the voice like to pay attention to the silent process and the beginning and in the end and at the time I learned so much from Google translate. Yeah, the sound. So I know which one maybe it's proper, but I just have a feeling so no rules. Yeah, no at all just use feeling. Okay, maybe it's good. Okay, I just get it. And then I realized that the result of Samsung first recorder is not that loud when we play it on laptop. So that's why I use in fact amplify and set the number of the number bigger. So, when user will play it on laptop and maybe the speaker on the laptop is low is still be heard. Yeah, so it's the amplification. And then tell me that I should change the extension. So the sound is should be on comments. So I should export all the file. And then uploading the comments in the comments. So, yeah, I want to present you my song. I don't expect much of my voice because I'm not voice over. Okay, so maybe I will try to present the difference of a sound. Yeah, so it's a. And how about this? Okay, and then the last one I will present very like this one. This is my son. See, so it has, it has three E here and the sound is very different. So many. Yeah, so that's very different. Yeah, that's all you can visit the pages to hear my voices. Okay, go back to presentation. Okay. And then this is just using the code, like to make it same. Yeah, this is the challenge. So the focus is like, not all, not all available in Japanese, and one of them is frozen. And because maybe there's no snow, that there's no winter in, in Java, so there's no focus of frozen and then the day critics and tempest is not same so I have to moving up and I should tidy up and then of course the tools, the recorder and the recording is very important. Okay, so this is just suggestion so I hope there will be a meeting or consensus in Japanese dictionary so we can do together, like, same template. Yeah, if you have any suggestion for me, maybe if you work in some documentation, you can contact me. Thank you. Thank you so much. Noor. We have. That's a beautiful presentation by the way really amazing project will. Can you just wait here maybe we can we have any questions we'll just take one or two questions. Anyone. Thank you. Yeah, it sounds totally amazing. I'm just wondering if you've experimented with using lingua libre. Yeah, yeah, I heard about them but I haven't tried. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Okay, then. Thank you so much for the amazing presentation. Thank you all. And next, I would like to invite Weenus. She's a longtime Wikimedia has been in the movement for more than 10 years. And she's interested in open education glam and open data. And today she's going to talk about language diversity with us. Weenus. I'm just awful. I want to say that I'm not that old. I am experienced, but I'm not that old. So, I'm Venus originally from Hong Kong. So today I will be talking about wiki language and how we can speak to those outside the community. Like said, it said I have been like, like in the community for more than 10 years. So I was also working a bit for the outreach in Hong Kong. So, I want to ask you guys one question before I start the whole presentation. Have any of you never added on Wikipedia, like here so I want to know if there are like any newcomers among us here. Okay, so we've got one. So have you heard of like Wikipedia before or like all the system projects before. Yes, okay. So, let's start with the presentation. Have you ever been asked one of these following questions like these are my favorites one like in the last 10 or like even 12 years. So for example, people would ask like, what is this like wiki media or what is wiki media foundation. I've never heard of it. All right. Oh, wiki. So are you related to wiki leads. And I'm like, no. All right, it was saying something like, Oh, what do you need to work for Wikipedia so you get paid to edit all those articles there. Oh, they were saying something like, Oh, wiki media foundation is organization behind Wikipedia. So they create everything there. And that's why we can read online. Or something like, Oh, you edit on Wikipedia. So can you create an article about me I want to be there. So this, these are real questions I didn't make it up for this presentation but really I got asked. So what exactly like the wiki language that I'm talking about here. Actually, it can be everything that we are talking about at this particular conference, because we are so experienced now we are so used to everything in the community. We talk about Wikipedia, we get data, we keep base on everything. So we are so used to the name, but imagine you have never heard of like wiki data, and someone just come to USA. Hey, I'm working for wiki data. How would you feel or like, how does it sound like to you. I like sometimes like vocabulary that like we are so used to with our own interpretation that might not be like for those who are not from our community to understand so one example that I would like to talk about is the word scholarship. So I assume that like some of us like who are here now for this conference we got the scholarship to come here. So how we understand the word scholarship here is some kind of sponsorship or money that we can apply to attend some wiki conference or wiki event, which covers our like travel like flights accommodation or registration fee. But when we talk about the word scholarship in general, I think that like most like for most people in all over the world they would think about something related to this study to something related to academia so maybe you can get a scholarship to go to university. So it would cover like your tuition or like some kind of like expenses, like, when you're like a student. So I would say that like it actually like shows some kind of gaps between us like Wikipedia and also outside of when we talk about like language, like from from this perspective. So it's a question like people would come and high scholarship because they think that Oh, this is for my study. I'm saying this because I have been working with a scholarship committee for wiki mania since 2016, and almost every year, we will get some kind of application like, Oh, I need the money to support my study so that I can have a bright future but this is not what our scholarship is for of course I appreciate that people are fighting for every opportunity to support their study but this is not what like wiki media scholarship is for. And also there will be no other program because we use the word scholarship so imagine there will be, let's say a potential partner who is interested in open data and he or she can be like a perfect contact that we can make like we can connect with. And then he or she see the word scholarship it must be something about like study it must be something about like academia so why should I care about it so they just don't wait about it. And especially this person will be eligible for this scholarship and come to like our meetings or like conference or events to share like their expertise. So this is like something that I realized that we have in our community now especially when we try to like do our rich and try to make new connections. And especially when we talk about in the east region, a lot of people are not seeing like here, like we people but also about like the outsider that they don't really understand wiki media itself and imagine like all the wordings that I was using like so far with wiki data wiki base wiki both. And it's really difficult to approach like that because like they don't understand the idea of community they don't understand the idea of like all the projects. And also like people are not like familiar with like our language when we talk about sister project and then people will ask me like what do you mean sister project so women can come like only women can come. So this is true like people are asking like question like this, imagine like yesterday we had our first day of the conference we kept talking about like sister projects wiki data. And still, there are people who have no idea what we are talking about, like here. So, um, when we talk about the language itself, I would say that it's not just about language is also about our value and our mission. We keep talking about free knowledge we keep talking about everyone can edit can we actually convince people like to do this while they don't really understand what we are talking about when we keep using all this type of technical terms or jargons that we have been using so far. So we're not seeing that like now we should like abandon all the wordings that we are using in the community because we also have to take care of the existing Wikipedia and so I assume by almost like 90% of like attendees here we are very familiar with all these jargons like I said maybe like the idea of scholarship like I was talking about, but it doesn't mean that we have to change the whole thing completely. But I feel like it's necessary that we have to elaborate more to the newcomers to explain to them like in a clear way so that they can understand what exactly we are doing so that we can recruit more new people to join us. So what can we do. I actually don't have like a perfect solution here I'm not like coming here say like hey I have the best solution here just listen to me know this is not like what I'm trying to do, but I would like to take this opportunity, like to share with you guys some possible questions that we can explore this topic together. So maybe one of the things that we can do is to start with our education program, because so far like the Wikipedia education program. I feel like it focuses a lot and using Wikipedia and assistive projects at education tools for both educators and students, but how about like creating a sense of community sharing like the truth behind our, like, our community like Wikipedia but also like the community like behind this website they are using every day with our next generation. Would that be also possible that like it's not just about editing, but also teaching them like the value, the people behind the project. And of course, like at the same time we have to be patient and take this opportunity to explain to people who are interested in our project. I know that sometimes it can be very frustrated when you try to make new connections and then you talk about like Wikipedia and then people what are you talking about I've never heard of this or like Wikipedia so it's about Wikileaks. I know it sounds very funny but also it's very frustrated when you try to do all this type of outreach, and then people just don't understand like what you're doing. But I would say that like be patient and take this as an opportunity to share like what you have been doing in a community with people, we can see this as like a starting point of new connections. Thank you everyone for being here and please feel free to call me if you would like to explore this topic together. Thank you. Thank you so much Venus. Any questions for Venus we have time for a couple of questions or any comments. Thank you Monday. Rachel. Hi Venus. Presentations and also inside totally resonated with me I feel like you really voice out what's inside my thinking. And the global advocacy team also has been struggle to explaining our model without dilating it to the external stakeholders especially parliaments decision maker. So I'm actually thinking to make like a two pages very basic human language explanatory on what we are doing because you know these kind of questions also come to me and one thing that really affecting security of our users are usually decisions maker. Always asking. Okay so chapter is basically your branch in country level and they can change the content or block and I'm block user so we want to demystify that, make me sure that chapters affiliates volunteers are able to work safely in their country so definitely will be in touch with you and hopefully can get feedback from other community members as well about the big the one two pages that we will be created thank you. Thank you so much Rachel. Any closing comment on that Venus. First of all thank you Rachel for your comments and then I want to ask you the question so are you related to wiki leaks. I'm sorry that this is like a very common question, but also I feel like again like there is another example why you were talking I another example popping up in my mind is like the word chapter that we are using a lot because we are using it to refer to like the local Wikimedia organization. But actually, when I talk about Wikimedia chapter, a lot of people think that chapter so you mean like book chapter, like you guys writing a book or what so I feel like there are lots of words that we are using now. Like we put wiki in it but still like it sounds like a normal English vocabulary but still we have to explain to people so maybe we can work on something together like vocabulary list so that people can really understand what it means like in our community so that's. Thank you. Thank you so much. I would like to invite Jesse user whisper to me. He's a coordinator for the Wikimedia Hong Kong user group. He has an affinity for computers and world cultures and he has traveled throughout the world, especially Asia, and he lived for four years in Shenzhen. And that's when he collaborated a lot with the Hong Kong community. And he's going to talk about the language diversity in Hong Kong and Chinese communities today. Jesse. Thank you sir. He set up a little bit. My notes. Sorry. I didn't prepare a PPT so I apologize but it was a long flight from Houston to Sydney and really appreciate the really appreciate the Sydney and I'm sorry I appreciate being here in Sydney and I appreciate the opportunity to be here so. Let's talk about the China region. So, what is the language of China so when you get an idea please raise your hand. What is the language of China. Of course, highest marks right so there is not just one Chinese. So you talk to a person on the street in the United States and they may go it's Chinese. But when you really look into the situation you have to think, which Chinese Chinese can mean so many different things and Chinese has many varieties or in actuality separate languages. So, if you look at mainland China, the language and media and education is standard written Chinese and standard spoken Chinese. Also know it could be put on or you or why you depending upon what part of the Chinese speaking world you're in. But when you look at what languages people use in day to day life. They use a variety of spoken languages very similar to the linguistic breakdown in Europe. They are often not mutually in the you, you often cannot understand each other if you put two guys in a room, and they speak together. Now things have changed because now that standard Mandarin is in the schools, increasingly generation after generation of school children are speaking Mandarin. And to later how it's starting to affect the traditional native languages within China. So, in addition to Mandarin one of the other major varieties of Chinese is known as Cantonese, and is spoken mainly around the area of Guangzhou, also known as Canton hence Cantonese, but it is also the de facto major Chinese in Hong Kong and Macau. Those are the two special administrative regions that used to be dependencies of European countries. So, in Hong Kong, the official, one of the official languages are Chinese and English, but the law doesn't specify which Chinese, but in practice, people speak Cantonese the news broadcasts aren't Cantonese the spoken language in schools is Cantonese. So, if one compares Hong Kong and mainland China, they have very different linguistic situations. And one thing that has become clear is that Cantonese has become a defining sense of identity for Hong Kong people because unlike mainland China, their main variety is not spoken Mandarin it is spoken Cantonese. They write formal documents in standard Chinese people have started having written Cantonese and their day to day life. And one thing is clear is a language is part of who you are language is our culture is our identity. So with that out of the way it is a complex situation so forgive me if some things some things are unclear, but with that out of the way, I lived in Shenzhen which is predominantly Mandarin speaking but I communicated collaborated with Wikipedia users in Hong Kong across the border where the primary language is Cantonese and further complicating this I'm an international I'm not like a Chinese citizen I'm not a permanent resident of Hong Kong I was an American working abroad in mainland China. So, how does a user group accommodate linguistic variety. How does it accommodate not only different people in the Chinese speaking world but also people from other languages and backgrounds. So, the Hong Kong user group has English and Cantonese as its official languages. And so when you look at the official paperwork filed by the Hong Kong user group. The English version is the primary version of record so if there are differences between written English and written Chinese versions the written English is the authoritative version that makes sense because it collaborates internationally. So, English is probably the best language to use to informal communication and collaboration. But when it comes down to actually discussing meat and potato issues among the user group members. And it makes sense because as a mother tongue people know how best to express themselves. They know there's a rich variety of like jokes and social situations and humor and I've heard Cantonese is very, very rich in wordplay. So, in a way, you know break the ice between people who are from the same cultural background. And I think it's also a matter of comfort because when you are around your native language you feel comfortable you feel at home. And as an international you have to think what is your role. I, I am a one of the directors of the Hong Kong group but at the same time I do not know the primary spoken language. So, the user group was very generous and kind what the members decided with this. So they discuss in Cantonese they have lengthy discussions in Cantonese and I sit back. Then one of the user says in English a summary. They accommodate internationals by some right a reasonable accommodation I must add by summarizing the various developments that they discussed and so both parties when the people that the Hong Kong people get to use the language they're most comfortable with with the language that they may feel limited in or overly formal or uncomfortable with, and yet at the same time I get an idea of what the major developments are. And I can use that in my planning, and I feel and they don't have to expend so much energy to accommodate me so I feel and I must add I'm very grateful and is, I'm very happy that this arrangement was made. So, on top of that, the Hong Kong user group accommodated different audiences depending upon the occasion so if almost everybody in the room was a local of Hong Kong, Cantonese was used as the language of language of presentations and discussions. But there was another time where I took students from the university I taught at Southern University of Science and Technology. And I took I traveled with them across the border to Hong Kong and they came to learn about how Wikipedia how to edit Wikipedia, why Wikipedia is important and the culture of Wikipedia. They were accommodated with Mandarin so they had a special presentation done in Mandarin. And I was also involved in the women in art editathons and in those editathons. The participants were made were heavily internationals with some Hong Kong locals and some Chinese mixed in so English was the medium of discussion in those groups. So the user group was very flexible in how they use language to accommodate different parties depending upon who was participating what the mission of what the mission of the presentation was about. And so, if you have a mixed company of mainland and Hong Kong editors English was also used as kind of a neutral language because if you use one language the other party may feel hey you know I feel like I'm being left out. And Mandarin is mainland Chinese feel very strongly about Mandarin Hong Kong, people feel very strongly about Cantonese but English is a neutral medium that both parties can accommodate. And said that there are mainland Chinese who do know Cantonese. So I took a mainland student who was in my English class at Sus Tech that's the short form of the university's name. I took her to a Hong Kong meetup and it was the Asian month presentation. And so they asked her in English. Do you know Cantonese. And I said yes. And I could tell that she really enjoyed the presentation she understood, even though I didn't know Cantonese. She knew and I could see her like laugh along the jokes and she really enjoyed it. So there are situations where you may have somebody who's an international or from a different background, but they do know the predominant native language and so you can just use the native language to accommodate them. And so that we have linguistic situation out of the day. I'm sorry out of the way. Let's talk about Cantonese. So, can't as I've said before Cantonese is very important to the identity of the Hong Kong people. And it's not only is an entertainment is using their culture of food items are known. So there is an unfortunate change that is happening. So as many of you may know the government of the PRC government the mainland government is starting to pressure Hong Kong authorities into making Mandarin and not Cantonese, the language of Mandarin. So, previously in schools, children use Cantonese as a language they grow up with the language or teacher speak the language they they speak in the language they think in, because I remember growing up in the United States I had a classmate who said he thought in Spanish. So he was in an English medium school but his thought processes were in Spanish. Otherwise the thought processes of Hong Kongers are in Cantonese, but now the Chinese government is trying to change that change their language. And so in doing so it's, it takes away a part of our humanity or culture by losing language you're losing your culture, you are losing a part of yourself. So I met a Hong Kong colleague at Sus Tech and I, she was saying, Well, our language will survive for a little while longer but I can hear kind of a sadness in her voice and I think I knew and she knew that, you know, language was in danger. So we at the, you know, in the Wikipedia movement need to find a way to stop language loss we need to find a way to preserve languages so they are actively used and remain viable in the future. And that's one reason why the Wikimedia foundation the Wikimedia movement promotes the use of native languages, and this goes beyond Hong Kong. In Taiwan, the language of education and the media is historically Mandarin Chinese just like it is across the Taiwan Strait in the mainland, but the mother tongue of many Taiwanese as mean non. It used to be that the government in Taiwan under Chiang Kai-shek suppressed the use of the local native and indigenous languages in Taiwan, but since the late 1980s things have changed and now in Taiwan they promote linguistic diversity. We have announcements in mean non in the subways and so now, as many of us know there are accommodations for mean non and different projects promoting the use of not only mean non but also indigenous Taiwanese languages. And I'm very, you know, I'm very excited to see a commitment to linguistic diversity. But we have to educate users that you know this is important that their languages are a method of communicating information. So, it I'll tell you another story. The Hong Kong mean ups I had a student, he was from Hunan province in inland Chinese province and he spoke Mandarin and what they call who not what the local spoken variety of language in who not. And so, a Hong Kong user suggested hey let's work on the Miss Hong Kong article. So I said to the student, why don't you write Miss Hong Kong in who not what right in your local language, but he told me. That's not an appropriate language to use to write an article in you should write only in standard Chinese not in who not want. Now, do we all agree with that. Raise our hand. I thought so. So, we realize that, you know, for example, Egyptian Arabic Balinese, the languages are all valid, they're all, they're all valid they're all important. They're all equal, and I'll get to that equal. And so, we need to educate educate people and say, yes, it is appropriate to write encyclopedia article in your native language, yes, you, you should, you should not see it as beneath or below another as all satan used to be seen beneath French or not what used to be seen beneath Spanish or nowadays like who not why our Cantonese were seen below standard Chinese, all languages are equal here in this movement. So I want to close off with some recommendations. So first recommendations to the WMF in the movement. Make sure all linguistic backgrounds are accommodated reasonably as much as possible and if you look in the back of the wall right there. The various topics are in multiple languages, Indonesian, Korean, Chinese, etc. And so I think we're doing a very good job in accommodating the various languages that we all not only speak but also think and read and write and live in. So for other user groups, you need to take stock of your participants to ensure which languages are accommodated. So you may run a group in Indonesia and then suddenly somebody from Japan shows up, and he knows some English Japanese is his mother tongue, and he doesn't know Bahasa Indonesia how are you going to accommodate him and help him get, you know, help him like become involved in your user group and participate, or it could be somebody from another part of Indonesia. And if English is not the majority language and some international participants are present present you could use some like summaries you can summarize major developments or you could ask them to do a particular part of a presentation in English. And after ECAP in Bangkok, the one Hong Kong user did presentation of his part in Cantonese but then I did the presentation of my part English. And so that way, both languages were accommodated depending upon who was speaking, which languages the other participants spoke about how you can best express yourself in. And user groups could also advertise their activities in multiple languages so you could advertise, not only in Chinese, you could advertise in English, and in Hong Kong there are other languages spoken by inhabitants you could advertise in Punjabi you could advertise in Thai or Vietnamese. And so you can get a broad range of people from various backgrounds who are saying oh I saw this, I saw the ad for this this looks really cool. And so by using multiple languages you can get a diverse base of people and get many ways of thinking and expressing themselves. And I will re emphasize all languages are equal. International such as myself, one of the most important recommendations for international participants, please respect the use of native and mother languages, not everything needs to be in English. You don't you don't want to overly stress the people you work with and have them translate everything or do everything at the expense of you know their resources and their well being and their right to self determination in their own language. And if that's why why it's important for internationals to, you know, take stock and figure out what is a reasonable accommodation for me, and try to learn some aspects of the native languages so you kind of understand some of the thought processes, you don't need to be totally fluent but you do need to think you need to get the basis how is the language structure, how do people think. So in many of my classes in Shenzhen I noticed people mix up the words he and she. But if you under an understanding of Mandarin shows why because the words for he and she are written differently, but they are pronounced the same time. It's not lausher, taught your fun, whether it male or female. And so that's why in speech a lot of Mandarin speakers mix up the words he and she. And so in knowing that I, you know, I say, oh, it's okay, I forgive you, you know, you get a sense of sympathy and you kind of understand how and why linguistic mistakes happen. And lastly but not leastly it's important to learn more about the culture in the environment that you operate in. Learn about the history, the politics and the current developments, wherever you are. So, thank you, I really apologize for the. Thank you so much Jesse. Thank you so much. Anyone have any questions or comment on this, we've been. Thank you, Jesse, Vivian from the movement sharing government team from foundation here. I can only say really appreciate your presentation and I can really resonate with a lot of part of it, because one of my, I see as my daily struggle is in terms of finding the wall, the Chinese language itself to various different people, because I find it difficult to actually find the balance that as a native Mandarin speaker that I find it insensitive myself to say, Oh, Chinese when I speak in Mandarin, because it feels like knowing language diversity itself, and could also potentially indicate some colonial baggage in that sense. At the same time, I find it like for other people who doesn't seem Mandarin to be able to actually understand what I'm talking about. I kind of have to tell people, yeah, Chinese that yeah Chinese interpretation is what we're doing for this time right. So that is a question has been on my mind and I'm also thinking about because in our communication I was also I got asked like how do we do we actually use Mandarin the Chinese in like, you know, foundation communication and so on. And to be honest, I, I don't know I'm into minds and I actually would really love to know more about your thoughts because I it is to me is a balance of being respectful to language diversity at the same time for people outside of who who speak this language to understand. And I just want to really like thank you for raising awareness on language diversity here, because like, yeah, as you share like, and as growing up in Taiwan like my parents go through a generation that they suffer from not able to, they get punished for their mother tongue and my generation suffer from, I mean actually feel ashamed to say that I, I don't actually write one of my mother tongue, and I just happy to see that for the younger generation that they get a chance to learn that in school system. I feel a bit emotional, but yeah I think this topic really resonated with me. Thank you. Thank you so much. Yes. Yep, so two things so first of all I really like that this makes a point that yesterday we had a presentation in the old languages. I think it's in the New Zealand Indonesian and the traditional Taiwanese. And the Chinese who was the other Korean, like participant he's an honor session probably but like the, he was intended to do English because we, I, we thought like that we have to force to do something in English, but like the what I, and I advise and helping them to just prepare the session I give some advice but like the what I learned from this is we don't need to seriously. It's actually just like, even like the we can provide the translations in the presentation or I can just helping assisting him, while I was at other session probably because of the, I was important honestly but yes, so I think so this is very important things to do in the future because we have a lot of companies, wikimania, and the other events. So, I thinking so there was the most communications are doing the volunteer translations network, we are to attempt, and I'm part of it after I left left the foundation. So, what we attempt to do is we try to translate like the try to let the local peoples who are not understanding English can understand everything without like the annoying knowledge about English so that's could be should be improved and that should be that's very very huge important part so I want to point out that so the thank you presentation. There's no question but yeah I want to really raise this point. Thank you so much. Yeah, I'm Johnny from the Philippines. I'm not Chinese, but I have, I have Spanish extraction and the Spanish community and the Chinese have always been culturally side by side, even geographically in the settlements. Anyway, I'm trying to say this because a present the two, we have a 2% population of Chinese in our country and 45% of the billionaires in the Philippines are Chinese, but the language they speak is Hokkien. I am not aware whether there is a Hokkien language Wikipedia project. Is there one because that would that would be a very, very good avenue for people in my country to express themselves and to, and to share their legacy. Sorry to return to your issue that Hokkien language, maybe there might be a little minor difference, but it's the Minnan language, the Huanying, I was standing on the stage to say and Minnan language. Yes, we have Wikipedia and they currently are many people writing on this. It's in using the Taiwan. So, how do you say Taiwan? He is, he is just Bayway Lee. They are very writing methods and yeah, so you can try to find the Minnan language, link language Wikipedia and you'll find it. Thank you so much. Thank you so much Jesse. left before closing the session. I would just like to share that there is a language diversity hub in the making, along with ECF hub, which is why we're gathered here. And I invite you to have a look at the Metawiki page for the language diversity hub. I'm a part of that. We have user Yumu from Taiwan, also a part of that hub. And we've recently conducted and finished a research on the needs of small language Wikipedia's. And one of them was Bayonese Wikipedia, for instance, and Kashmiri Wikipedia from India. And with that, I would like to close. I would like to present some souvenirs to the presenters today.