 So when you look at people like TD Jakes or Todd White, Benny Hinn, Paul White, Michael Todd, when you look at some of the prosperity gospels, such as the Kenneth Copeland, the Creflo Dollars, people like TD Jakes. So when you look at the deliverance ministries like Isaiah Saldivar, even Pagani, when you look at some of these apostles, any apostle, apostle, Geno Jennings, Catherine Creek, any one of that ilk, something ought to stick out. When you look at them, something should just stand out. And so I want you guys to keep that in mind as we move forward. Declare the spirit of fear to get out. I deliver you, I free you. Me, tell me if you guys noticed something. Tell me what did you notice? There should have been something that stuck out. And maybe you weren't paying attention to it. At first I wouldn't, but after a while I started noticing something kind of peculiar, similar and troubling. When you pan the audience of a lot of these places, a lot of these, I'm using the word ministry loosely, when you pan the audience, what do you tend to see? Now obviously if you guys just looked at the thumbnail, you can tell what I'm getting at. You see a lot of blacks, a lot of Hispanics, a lot of minorities and a lot of women. Why is that? Now obviously it can't be that blacks, Hispanics, other minorities and women that we don't know how to think and that we don't understand what sound doctrine is and that we don't know how to study the Bible. It can't be that. So why is it that so many of us seem to fall in line with them? Now, don't get me wrong. There are plenty of white people, white men who also fall in line with this. But what is it that causes, by and large, the majority of their audience to be minorities and women? So why don't you think about that for a second? Now I said yesterday that on the video that I put up, covering, what's his name? Apostle, I should remember his name. Jonathan Ferguson, I believe his name, as he was anointing Marcus Ryder's as the next Jesus Christ, so to speak. What did he say? He was the new Samson of this age or something like that. And I wanted to cover that, not from Marcus Ryder's point of view, but from his and the things that he says, but in doing so I wanted to look at the audience. Now, what I want to do is I want to bring on a couple of guests, because it's not just me. There was going to be a third guest who could probably approach this from a Hispanic point of view, but that person is not feeling well right now. And so I want to say his name, but if he decides to, that he's feeling better and wants to come on, then he'll know how to reach me. But anyway, I want to bring on a couple of people. First of all, I want to bring on my brother, some of you all know who this guy is, brother Rick Caldwell, Rick, how you doing, brother? Doing well, brother, yourself. I'm doing awesome. I'm doing awesome. As a matter of fact, I say I'm doing awesome, but the truth is I'm still dealing with this flu or whatever it is, my son-in-law tested positive for COVID. So it may be that I have COVID, which is fine. I have consulted Marcus Rogers and Pagani, and so we're going to be casting this COVID demon out real shortly. So I should be okay by tomorrow, right? Tomorrow you should be 100% tomorrow. That's the route you're going to take. We know you need good hands. I also want to, before Rick tells you a little bit about himself, I also want to bring on my sister because we're talking about women as well. And so I want to bring on my sister, April Chapman. April, how are you? Okay, April's doing well, but her mic didn't. All right, I need two seconds. I am just getting home. That's fine. Two more seconds, okay, like 10. We're going to go ahead and move on, but I want everyone to know that you guys are here. But while you're getting yourself straight, I want to go ahead and look at this video with this apostle and Marcus Rogers. So April, go ahead and take care of what you're doing. And then we'll go ahead and keep going. And then when you're ready, we'll bring you back in. Okay, no worries. That's the presence of the visitation coming on you. Jesus Christ is going to come to you like he came to Paul. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. You will not be capped off at the prophetic. There is an apostolic call. What I want to do, we'll kind of just stop as we go. And Rick, if you want to jump in, go ahead and just say, hold on for a second, you want to jump in. But again, guys, notice the hue of skin of the people that are around them. And when the audience pans, you'll see a lot of people of color. You'll see a lot of women. And we're going to talk about why in just a little bit, but I want to look at the nonsense first and just look at some of the things that he is, that this so-called apostle, which again, he's not what he's saying. And we want to talk about what is it about these things that seem to be hidden to them that aren't so hidden as they are in the Bible. And so he's just told Marcus that he won't be capped off by the prophetic. I guess there's going to be more for this person, Marcus, to be engaged in. Yay! And when this man speak, I need you to push him in the spirit. Things will shake in the heavens. Things will shake in the earth. Ah, here those saints again shake the heavens. So again, when they show glimpses of the audience, look at the audience, but he's saying that God is saying that he is going to shake the heavens and the earth. I would love for somebody to find that passage for me because if there is a pre coming to a second coming to either the rapture or whatever your eschatological views are, that I don't know, maybe it's in between Matthew and Mark, a missing book. Somebody let us know, please. I'll do it through to get in the spirit. Yay! Dindiela by Eleon. Notice the audience. We move the confusion. So now, Rick, he just said that he's silencing, they're silencing the naysayer. Do you feel silenced? I feel the opposite of silence. Okay. Outrage and righteous indignation. Right, that was exactly the word that was coming to my mouth. That's the feeling I have about the whole situation. But you know what? He said he's going to silence the naysayers and I'm having this bout of sickness, so maybe that's what it is. Maybe he's cast a COVID demon on me. I don't know, we'll see. You can call us right there, but just kind of as an observation, they talk about we're going to close every demonic gateway. One of the observations that you consider these guys, it's all about them reaching for territory. It's a battle for territory. And it really demonstrates that they have an insufficient understanding of the finished work of Christ. Yeah. Fundamentally, they have an insufficient understanding of the finished work of Christ. Because what they're saying they're doing is what Christ has already accomplished and what will be part of the culmination when all enemies will be under his feet, right? Then the culmination, when the full justice of the lamb will be displayed in this world. So what they are attributing to themselves should always be attributed to Christ. And this is the thing, this is the debate and switch that you will see over and over with the rhetoric that a lot of these guys like to use. Yeah. One of the things that as you were saying, it was that every time you see these people, what you will notice guys is this. And this is kind of what Rick was alluding to. Ask yourself, who's being promoted here? It's not Christ, is it? It's what the closest thing that comes to Christ being promoted is they'll promote a move of the Holy Spirit but it's in order to promote you. And we're in this case, it's promote this anointing of this other man. And it's not just this issue here with the person that they are claiming to be the next Samson, but keep watching and notice who is conspicuously absent every time when they're lifting somebody up. Fast through him. No, by the way, I also want you to catch what he's saying now. He's talking about new gifts, closing these gateways. But he also said new heavens. I just want to sit down with them and just put my little notebook pad and just ask questions, not even to debate them. I just want to get a full understanding because it sounds so crazy and so weird. It must be us that's missing something. So I just want to ask some questions of them with what they're talking about. Do all calls on his head. Down with no, and his cup running. Someone shout all over. Stretch your hands to him again. Pray loud as you can. I see a movement in Chicago through this man of God. And the Lord would say by his spirit that he will raise this man to shape even the government of this city. He will extend his authority, his metron, his measure of rule. It will reach. Okay, so he's going to extend Marcus's rule is going to be extended. Not just Chicago, but also D.C., which kind of explains why Marcus was in D.C. on January 6th of last year. He's setting things up, right? So I want you guys to catch what these people are saying. Shall be given to him and the key of David and the government on his shoulder and doors in politics. Calls, calls. Yeah, I know. I'm waiting for you. I'm waiting for you. The key of David and the government will be on his shoulders. Sounds like Isaiah nine. And there's only one person that has the key of David and that's Jesus. Yeah, I mean, see what's going on ladies and gentlemen. Everything that's supposed to be attributed to the uniqueness of the person of Christ is now being attributed to a man, a mere man, right? Marcus Rogers. Yeah, how these people, again, it doesn't take a scholar. It doesn't take a fifth year, a fourth year, a third year Bible college student to realize that, wait a second, the government should be appointed shoulders. Wait a second, that sounds like Jesus. And you don't think that that should resonate and there should be some sort of little blasphemous nerve in your body that's just tingling that this doesn't sound right. And so guys, I want you guys to be thinking at home, why are the people, because they're shouting, they're in this, there's this euphoria in the audience. So just, I want you guys to be thinking, ask yourself, why are these people go, because now I know that, well, you know what, I don't want to get ahead of myself. Let's go ahead and finish playing this. What opened to him, doors and media journalism shall open to him. We speak to the everlasting doors. We speak to the ancient gates. We command them to open wide. Come on, command it in the spirit. We command it to open wide. He will no longer feel blocked. He will no longer feel isolated. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Mary, the monster, I'm pushing in the spirit. It was stopping no man, we went to a cursive. There's a great mentor, I see Samson's mentor. I hear the launch, they have been waiting on a strong man that showed no tendencies. Hey, I've been waiting on someone that I can raise up with the strength of Samson. You're looking at our modern day Samson's. So God is saying that God was looking for somebody like Marcus Rogers to raise up. First of all, heaven help us if he's the one that God is choosing, but that being said, so here's the question. Rick, April, why is it that it seems to be, and I say us, not just us people of color, but also women, white women, Hispanic women, Asian women. Why is it oftentimes that we see a lot of black men, Hispanic, be they Puerto Rican or from Mexico or what have you, what is it that makes us more of the victims? And I say victims of these little shenanigans. Why do you guys think? And I've got some reasons why myself, but I want to hear what you guys think. Well, I would say we've got a couple of things that work here, but if we look historically, and I'm using this term, I know how offensive it is, and people don't understand what I mean when I say it. But historically, when we look back at the roots of the black church, and I'm using that word just so I can make distinctions from an ethnicity standpoint, we were theologically sound, meaning the men who were educated in the historic Christian tradition went to some of the finest seminaries and scripture was always our final authority. And then something happened at the turn of the century, we had these new movements spring up, these new revelatory things that started to come about. And what we saw was we saw a shift away from biblical fidelity in lieu or in favor of feelings, emotions, experiences when my forefathers, the ones who came up from slavery, yes, we were emotional people, but all we had were the scriptures. That was it. Fast forward to today, if you look at a lot of our, if we look at a lot of our clergymen within the minority context, a lot of those seminaries are just completely as far removed from scripture as one can be. And so they're cranked and then add to it, a lot of these pastors, they're not trained in biblical hermeneutics. They're not, I mean, they're trained in homiletics. Like they know how to rise and fall with their voice and get you engaged from an emotional standpoint, but they don't have any sort of biblical training. And I would offer, I would say that a lot of these people are not Christian, at least what I just witnessed, that is distinctively pagan. There's nothing Christian about that. First of all, we have a man who completely mangled and took scripture out of context, applied prophecy, speaking of Jesus, to Marcus Rogers. If that doesn't bother you, I don't know what does, but if you notice in that context, in that service, it was a lot of people that looked like me. And it's because I come from this context. I feel like I can speak on it. I wasn't looking for what does the Bible say and how does it apply to me? I was looking for, how can I live my best life now? How can you make me feel comfortable in my sin but make me feel still a little bit connected to Christianity without making me feel so bad? Don't bring up repentance. Don't bring up a contrite heart. I don't have to give up anything. I can stay just the way that I am. I can come to church, be emotionally worked up and go on and live my life, no accountability. The last time we saw something like that, we saw a bishop long elevated and you see how that ended up. I am just waiting, I am sitting back waiting to see how this is gonna play out because typically a fall is not too far behind. I'm no prophet, I'm not speaking prophetically. I'm just looking at observable reality and based on history, based on what we know, when you elevate a man like that, he's invincible at this point. No one can tell him anything and the people that follow him, you can't, it takes a supernatural work of the spirit to pull somebody out. It really does. Yeah, what do you say, Rick? Yeah, so I actually echo a lot of the sentiments that April has, if you look at back of the early American history, right? In the advent of the black church experience, I agree with April 100%. You had emphasis on biblical fidelity. You had emphasis on the sufficiency of scripture. You had emphasis on orthodoxy. Those were the bedrocks and cornerstones of the Christian faith. And then you had certain movements throughout this, throughout American history. I was thinking, even thinking about the Azusa street, for example, where you had the emphasis on the phenomenological became front and center and that was like the kind of the wellspring for a lot of other things that came out of that. And then what you also had is you also had the emphasis on the social gospel as well. So the emphasis of the social gospel focused more on how can I meet felt needs? How can I deal with my circumstances? So the emphasis was less on the scriptures and more on my circumstances. So as that became more and more prominent in a lot of quote unquote black churches, now I'm only using the term black church so we have some sense of structure. We understand that not all churches that have people that are melanated, there are churches that are publicly sound, but I'm speaking generalities here is that that pursuit for a social gospel coupled with liberalism, that is one of the things that April even mentions that if you look at the trajectory of seminaries, how things like the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ is thrown out, I mean, all kinds of cardinal doctrines that we would never question decades ago are now just optional that you can just take them or leave them. And now the emphasis is really on about self-serving, doctrines that are self-serving. So it's no wonder that when people use things like Christ or even God or even Jesus, those words may be used, but the emphasis is not really about serving Christ, it's really about serving self. And so that's really what you're seeing is the manifestation of that. One thing I would like to add is that even though we're talking about specifically the audience with Marcus Rogers, and I know that's gonna be the primary emphasis, this is a problem that is across every demographic. It's just this is the specific manifestation of it that we see that's impacting minorities and people of color. Yeah, I did a video about apostles. And what I kept running into, and I didn't make this a point, I kind of mentioned it in passing, was that how many self-proclaimed apostles are black and or are women? They don't get me wrong, there are some whites. And so I don't wanna make it seem as though white men don't have this issue or that Asian men don't have this issue or Asian people know it's not what I'm saying, but just here in America, and then it really truth be told, all throughout Western civilization, be it in England and so forth, and certainly in Africa. And the issue, I think the issue goes back, we look at how we came up in the black church and some of these Pentecostal and charismatic movements. But even before then, guys, when you think about, Satan doesn't have a whole lot of different tactics that he uses, he didn't need to. He's so good at what he's doing, he's been Satan longer than you've been you, right? And so think about the tactic that he used with Eve. He went to Eve and he said to her, did God really say this? That's not really what he meant. And so what he did was he appealed to her or tried to get her to not say that or think that the word of God was either correct or sufficient. Well, that's what's happening now. And so we don't rely on the word of God. Then also, what did he do? He appealed to her desire because it says that the fruit was desiring her eyes. And so it wasn't hard. And so when you're going through something, you've got some desires. If you had any sort of struggles and you've got some desires, best believe that some false prophet, some demon-supported preacher, is going to use these emotionally charged words to try to move you. You see a person like a T.D. Jakes will say words that are, and if you go to the Potters' House, you'll see that an overwhelming majority of people that go to his church are women. And so he uses language that women can get on board with. When he'll say that God has birthed something in you and these birth pains. And so there's going to be something sweet on the other end. And so women can kind of, okay, I can jive with that. And he talks about their, Satan's always going to talk about your pain, talk about where you are and then give you this rose-colored glasses view as to where you're going to go. And you're going to bypass all the things that you need to go through. You're going to bypass scripture. You're going to bypass real prayer. You're going to bypass studying and go right to the benefits. And as Rick said, it's all about pleasing yourself. And so what's funny is this, I want to go through these clips and I want you all to notice one is really funny how all of these bad teachers, how they know each other. Guys, just so you know, me and Marcus go way back, okay? We've been friends for about three years now. We've done events together in person. We've done streams together. A prophet prophesied to me when I went to a conference, you are called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ. That God would use us to serve you. And so help fulfill your vision. We plant this seed at your feet, daddy, for God to have our way with us to serve you. We want the world to know you. We want you to be famous so that the real Jesus, who is full of love and power, may be known. They will not know the real Jesus unless they know you. He's choosing to use you for the world to see him. Asante, son of Baba, we love you so much. Asante, son for being our father. We love you. Okay, so now I want to ask this question of you, April. I want to ask this question of you. The one thing I thought about, and yeah, she did call him daddy twice, father. The one thing that made me just kind of just, wait a second, now this is the world renowned Catherine Crick who is a charlatan through and through. But she seems to be really emotional. It's the same thing that causes women to get in, in leagues with bad men, no good dead beat guys and so forth. Is that the same thing that's at play when a woman goes into these unorthodox, and I'm using that just being nice. Is it the same reason why they go into these demonic so-called ministries while they get up under these men like that? Is it the same mechanism at play? I mean, scriptures tell us that the reason why men are to be the head over us is not because men are better and that we're just dumb, but because Eve was deceived, right? Women are very, we're in tune with our emotions we feel before we think. And that's not slight on women. Hello, I'm a woman, right? But I can say that because there are times when my husband has to come in and he has to be the logical one and kind of gotta be like, okay, wait, calm down. You're freaking out about something that hasn't even happened yet. Let's just take one, like he's the logical one and God designed it that way for a reason. I'll say this, I didn't even know who she was. So I've been so far removed from these wonky spaces that this is the first time I'm actually even knowing who this woman is. And that was incredibly disturbing. I will say this, women, we are more apt to shell out money than men are because we're impulsive, we're a little bit more emotional. And so in these types of Christian-like pseudo-Christian environments, you'll see a lot of women and this is a big money grab. Like grifting is a thing. I don't know if you noticed, but grifting is a thing. And grifting in the Christian context is not new. A lot of these apostles and prophets, they all run in the same circles and they have these agreements like listen, you come preach a revival at my church because I know you raised big offerings, right? So you're gonna come preach and you're going to, the spirit's gonna hit you, right? And the Lord's gonna speak to you and he's gonna direct you to call a money line. But at the end of the day, there's a certain dollar amount of money is the target goal for them to raise. And what people don't know, like if you've been in these spaces and if you've ever gotten into these inner circles, you end up finding out real quick, wait a minute, this is about money. God is not in any of this. One hand is washing the other. I can guarantee you that it's happening. Brian Karn is doing it. All these so-called prophets and warlocks and witches who are hearing from the Lord, this is a money grab. They pay these people to come in because their names attract large crowds and they know that their name raises big offerings. Yeah, I can say this. I can say this and then I'll let you, I know Rick's trying to get in, but when I started off in ministry, I was under a bishop and church of God in Christ. He was a little different than most bishops because he was church of God in Christ, Texas Northwest. Good man guys, good man now. I have an issue now with this doctrine, but then I didn't really know doctrine that well, but in terms of his heart, the kind of person he was, he wasn't like the other bishops. And here's how I know, because I got to be around him all the time and kind of intimately know some things. And I remember hearing him and other bishops talk about what others are doing and how much money they're raising and so forth. And I'm young, I'm kind of discouraged and so forth. When I come to Dallas and I'm an associate pastor at another church, I'm hearing the other pastors talk about it. Hey, you know, what was your offering like? They doc, this and that. And let me just say this. And some of you women, some of you guys who haven't been in ministry don't know this, but this is true. First of all, it doesn't mean, that's how I have to do it with ministry, but anytime someone strokes your ego, pats you on the back, tell you how wonderful you are. Oh, you sure preach that, you did this or whatever. I don't care who you are, it does go to your head. There's no mistake about it, which is why you need somebody there to kind of pull you back. Remember, God gives Paul a thorn in the flesh. Why? So he doesn't get too big headed because it's going to happen, right? Well, what happens if women start patting you on the back? If women start saying nice things about you? Because unfortunately, when you go to church a lot of times, sometimes women don't dress, you know, as good as they are to, you know, listen, I'll never forget this one time. And guys, I was 100% innocent on this one, but we had just went to this church to visit. And a young lady in front of us bent over, you know, into her purse, and she was like right in between my line of sight between me and the pastor preaching. And, you know, her shirt was kind of hanging and so you kind of look down. And so it's almost like she didn't, I think she wanted to punch me for looking. I wasn't trying to look and I said, why are you saying? I said, because she knew what she was doing. Well, coming to find out, there are a lot of women in churches who will do these things who they know what they're doing. They will wear the shortest of skirts and sit on the first row and they will give you like these little looks. And so when a man is preaching, he's getting accolades and getting at a boy and all this from men and women, guess what he wants? He wants more of that. And he's gonna use what he's got. The Bible, this church, this ministry as a means to get more sexual gratification, to get more financial gratification, to get his ego stroke and so forth. So that does happen. So it's almost like he prays on them and then they in turn fuel his desire to continue to pray. Anyway, but Rick, I know you wanna go ahead and jump in. Oh, that was good. That was good. Your last comment I was thinking, Cory, I remember a pastor, he said he loved that when the seasons changed from fall to winter, because it required women to cover up in church. So just a side note there, I thought that was, it's sad that a pastor has to say that, but in many cases it's so true. But back to the whole, what I call the money scheme. For many of these guys, it's really a confidence scheme. And the confidence scheme is on all the suckers who are giving their money to these individuals. And it's big business. For them, you may hear all the spiritual terms, you may hear Jesus, you may hear all the emotion. And here's the thing, we got a lot of Oscar worthy actors in these roles. I mean, let's just face it. I mean, they could give your top Hollywood performers a run for their money. And they're very good at saying what they need to say and how they need to say it to get you to the part of your funds. I mean, think about the classic thing that I hear a lot recently is where, well, you just need to sow a seed because I've got this prophetic word. And I'm not saying that you're gonna be blessed, but because I got this prophetic word, you ought to sow the seed. So it's kind of like they're get out of the, I'm not promise you anything, but at the very same time I'm asking you for that money. So you got a lot of slick characters like that, that use, here's the thing about it. We gotta understand using the name of God, right? Are saying, are doing the very same thing that Yahweh said in Jeremiah. Hey, these prophets, they're not speaking, these dreamer of dreams. I didn't give them that prophecy. This is the same thing these guys are doing and we know how God feels about that. Matter of fact, again, money, let me just say this guys, cause I don't want you guys to think that some of these churches that money should not be an issue, because again, everyone in this chat, everyone's gonna watch later, you ought to be going to a local church. You ought to be part of a local church. And unfortunately, the light company, the gas company, the mortgage company, they're not Christian, right? They're not Christian organizations. And they don't take prayer in exchange for their bills. And so the lights need to get paid and the people that labor in these ministries ought to be able to feed their families as a result of their dedication. And so there does come a need for money. But what I will say that is this, and I remember saying this too, to our pastor, we had these little ministry meetings and inevitably if offerings up this week and then it's up, down, which happens, my statement was this, let's just go out and share the gospel if you think money's an issue, bring more people in. You're not gonna guilt someone into giving more. So let's just go out and do our job because I bet I've got this inkling that if we do our job, then God will bless us. But if we're not, if all we're about is just keeping the status quo on each Sunday, then I think God might turn his attention elsewhere. And so that's a church that he doesn't need to be blessing because we're not doing what we're required to do. And so while there should be some emphasis on money, what's happening is it's become the main thing for, and of course, Paul tells us how this has become a means of gain. So I won't even just look at a few other people. Let's go to this next clip so we can kind of just see what it's about. And again, look who's running to the altar to give up money. Welcome to the night home of Jesus. You are to receive your money tonight in Jesus. Listen to the Holy Ghost. Listen to the Holy Ghost. He gonna set you free tonight. This is your night. Listen to the Holy Ghost. Move with the Holy Ghost. Jesus. The Holy Ghost's trained you to ask for the right thing. Lord, I want a two-story house. What is that? My house is almost 25,000s of graffiti. You can get laws in there. I had to get some speakers in there so I can find my wife. I live in it. I drive it. I live in it. I drove a Maybach last night. Phantom this morning. And I'm in a ghost tonight. The kingdom of God can do more if it's got more to work with. And what God let me know, it wasn't about me. So what I see happening a lot of times is the way that I can keep you guys giving, the way that I can get you to stop even watching your Bible and paying attention is that you focus on your needs, kind of like what Satan had for Eve, though they weren't really needs, but they were perceived needs. And so if you have bills that need paying, if you've got some issues, I want you to see how I've been blessed because I want you to partner with us in this ministry and partner with God and give him something that when you sow, that he can reign on. And so when you see this, now they're not giving scriptures or when they do, they'll find a passage and twist it. Let me give you all, some of you all are old enough. I'm looking at Doug and the chat's Doug, looks like he's definitely old enough to know this. There was a guy, and I think Rick, we talked about this, a guy by the name of Carlton Sheets back in the early 90s, late age, early 90s. And he had his No Money Down real estate program. Now, I'm young, married with kids and broke. So, and I'm a Christian. God wants me to be blessed, right? And second, is it second, is it third John, three, two, a second John, three, two? I can't, beloved, I wish above all things that you be a prosperer and be in health, even as your sole prosperer. So I'm thinking, well, yeah, he wants me to be financially prosperous. And what better way to do it within this real estate? I don't have any money. I don't have any credit. I don't have any investments, any collateral. So this is the right thing for me to do, right? So what did I do? I bought the program. Now, I understand that he made his money, Carlton Sheets made his millions off of not real estate, but off of selling the program, off of selling the drink. And so what we have guys is there's this dream industry that Satan is the CEO of. Here's what I mean. When you sell a dream, a thought, a fantasy to somebody, people are gonna be in, it just depends on what it is. Porn is a big industry, why? Because it sells fantasy. We live, a lot of men and women live vicariously through these actors. They think about these people. And same thing when it comes to football or basketball. There's fantasy football, fantasy basketball. We gamble on those things. Same thing when it comes to finances and so forth. And so the same thing also it should become, it should come as no surprise that the same trick shows up in church. Let's show them how they can make money, how they can be prosperous and wealthy because the Lord wants you to be prosperous and wealthy. Let's show them how they can do it through the church. Now we don't care about them actually getting rich. That's not the issue. What we really care about is that we get rich. If they get something, well then so be it. Well, that's when you guys come in. You know, I was gonna say it's kind of like a Ponzi scheme because you always have a few people within this scheme that they can lift up and show, look this person gave a seed and they're being blessed as a way to draw all the other suckers in. You know what I mean? So it's like a big Ponzi scheme. But at the end of the day, there's only one winner and that's the one that set the system up to begin with. And you see that, you saw like that clip you showed earlier, what did he say? The Holy Spirit is telling you. What, where is the Holy Spirit saying anything? You know, so he's speaking on behalf of the Holy Spirit. And then someone else said in other clips that God told me to tell you that you ought to do X, Y and Z. So you see that, that they're putting it all on God, right? You know, either it's saying it's a God, the Holy Spirit to basically give credence to their scheme. And so it's really sad because as you said, Brother Corey, it is really about selling a dream. It's a pipe dream. And at the end of that pipe, there's absolutely nothing but disappointment. Think about, like when you think about the demographic, now we're talking about minorities and people of color. I mean, let's think of places like world changers and places like that. Where is that church located, right? Oh, that's so interesting. Who is the demographic? Who's coming there? You know, think of the economic situation, right? I mean, so you have people who are basically, he's exploiting the greed. And we can actually look at some verses later, exploiting the greed of people, but only one person's are ultimately being ingratiated in the end. And you see this time and time and time again. What they do. So it's funny that you mentioned world changers because world changers is here in Atlanta. I mean, it's back then in the hood. I mean, that gold gold is surrounded by nothing but strict club, hood, rat, oh, it's just, and the same, I mean, new birth wasn't any, it was slightly better, but not really. But what people don't understand is that at the root of all of this is covetousness. And what these charlatans do every now and again, just to prove and demonstrate that they're not as greedy as they appear, they'll do something really philanthropic, right? So like new verse thing was every now and again, they'd give away a car to a single mom, right? They'd give away a car. And it was always, it was always someone that would pull on your heartstrings, right? So it had to be a single mom, no man in the house, bunch of kids and she legitimately have a need, right? And then they would do it, not in secret, like, hey, sister Smith, we've been seeing you walk to church every week and we just want to bless you with this car, don't tell nobody, like, we just want you to know that this is for you. No, no, no, they gotta put a show on. They gotta stop the service during the worship of their God, because it's not the one true God. And they gotta put it on a public display for everyone to see. And what does that do to the other single moms in the audience? They're gonna keep coming. They're gonna keep sawing their scene because they think, you know what, next time it could be me. It could be me next time. And so you'll gladly empty your wallet, right? On the hope that it's gonna be you next time. And it's never you. It's always somebody else. And then you start to wonder, well, do I just not have enough faith? Like what, we never searched the scriptures to say, hmm, am I living and stewarding my life using godly principles? I don't know, do I have a job? Am I gainfully employed? Am I saving? Am I working on my credit? Am I just doing what regular people would do in order to achieve the things that I need? Or am I looking for another get quick rich scheme at the hands of some pimp prophet who told me, if I just give him money, the Lord will bless me. Yeah, yeah, I think, go ahead. I think what April brought up is the classic advertisement, right? You take somebody of a certain demographic, single mother, falling on hard times, you lift her up, you kind of celebrate this person. And then everybody else that fits into that demographic feels a sense of hope and feels like, hey, this could be me. This could be me next time. And so they feel encouraged and it's really just a form of advertising. That's all I look at. That's why I call it big business. It's just really a form of advertising designed to keep you connected so that you continue to give your money up. You continue to believe in the dream. And here's the thing, you know. Yeah, go ahead. No, you go. You finish. No, I'm done. Don't do it. I'm serious, you go ahead. All I was gonna, the reason why we see so many women flocking to this is because if you look historically, when our families were intact, even if the man didn't go to church and the wife did, what you did not see was the woman abjugate or just completely giving away her husband's authority for the pastor. Like, at least at minimum, she understood, I still have a husband at home. And if he finds out that I just emptied our bank account and gave it to the church, it's gonna be some problem, right? You didn't see that. And then when you had the advent of the baby mama syndrome where it was less intact families, more single parent homes, the men is gone, right? We have no protection. We have nobody to say, well, wait a minute now, you just did what? Why are you giving this money? Where is that? He will tell you, he was unconverted, but he had sent enough to see a snake and to sniff out a charlatan when he saw one. And he could not understand. He was like, what is it that attracts you to this church? You don't see this? He was like, this is a fraud. You can't see it until he continued to talk to me about it and point out little things. And then I started saying, you know what? He's right. But before then, as a young single woman, oh, I was there front and center on the front row. I mean, I was the one just laying it on the, he didn't even have to call an offering. I was throwing my money up on the steps before the offering even hit. Cause I wanted to make sure I was gonna get my blessing. I never got it. Well, you know what's funny though? The crazy part is though, that though April is out of that game, there's a thousand more just like the way you were out there. And the problem is though, and this is where my black pride comes in, right? Where's Black Lives Matter in a moment like this? And where are the feminists in a moment like this? The theological feminists, the theological Black Lives Matter people or the Hispanic Lives Matter movement. Where's the theological Hispanic Lives Matter? Because what the problem is, none of this stuff that these people are getting over on people is in the Bible. It's not like they are, it's well hidden and no one can figure this stuff out. And so the issue is that we just have, we have decided that experience trumps the scriptures. And so let's just forget that. But one thing you'll always notice is the one thing that all these shaltons, these biblical creeps have in common is, there is no doctrine. And so what I wanna do is I wanna put up this next video, but what I'm gonna have to do on the fly is put April in, I've got your little space set up for you to be in here. And so I'm gonna put you in on the fly. So, but I want us to go ahead and listen to this next clip. They could have called Jesus God a thousand times. Elite, masperate, elite, masperacep. They could have called Jesus God a thousand times. Jesus has never been called God any scripture in the Bible, never. It's in the Bible, I can't give you all the scriptures right now. You don't know the scriptures? I do know them, but I can't give you pointing verse. I gotta go through the concordance and show you where they are. So now if you're a pastor, you're a preacher, you're a leader. Now the first obviously Brandon Tatum is not a pastor, but he's got 1.7 million followers. And so when he starts talking about the word and if you don't know the word, you might say, you know what it kind of makes, because guess who makes sense a lot of times? Satan makes sense. Now he's not true, but if you haven't checked up on your word, he can twist it in such a way that, okay, that kind of makes sense like what they do with the Trinity. I can kind of see what you're talking about. Yeah, how could he be praying to the Father if he's God? And so I might be with you there. So people aren't checking their scriptures just like this guy who in his legal deposition, this apostle who, she's asked me a basic question and he's like, well, I can't have to check the concordance with you and get back with you. So, and then this guy right here. He's never reached his potential. Now I know this is messed with a lot of people theology. Jesus never reached his potential. Since I've been young, every... The audience should have got up. Now there's always with me, go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead Rick. Yeah, you know the tactic that a lot of these guys will do, they will say something that they know is unbiblical. But then what they will do is that they will always say a statement. Now I know this sounds strange. Yeah, because if you read your Bible and you know scripture, yeah, because that's not biblical at all. So they'll throw, they'll say, it's like the move now is I need to say something as ridiculous as possible. And then before you kick me out, I'm gonna pull you back, bring you back to terra forma and then be somehow clever to show you how somehow this magically fits what doesn't actually fit in the scripture. I've gotta say something. I've gotta say something that is so outlandish because God is doing a new thing and I'm gonna preach a new thing. I need to keep you coming because God has always given me this new revelation. Everyone should have got up and just walked out of this audience. You need to reach your potential. Everything that God said and put inside of you, it needs to happen. But when I studied the scriptures, he never reached his potential. Again, when I studied the scriptures. You can't read God, you fool. When he died up on the cross, he said three words. He said, it is finished. What was finished? Not his potential because he had the potential to overthrow Caesar. He had the potential to be a Roman guard. He had the potential to do all kinds of stuff. The thing that was finished was his purpose. Go ahead, Rick. Awful. When Jesus said at the end of John, it is finished. He had accomplished the very purpose by which he came, fulfilled everything that he had to do, obey perfectly, perfect obedience. That's the grounds in which we rest. What he's doing, he's coming with a humanistic view of Jesus. This is the edited version of Jesus. This is more of the kind of the social gospel where Jesus is a revolutionary. Jesus, he came to overthrow political powers and that kind of thing. No, Jesus came to save us from our sins. That's what Jesus came to do. And so when he said, I read the scriptures and then I came to the conclusion, my thing is what Bible are you reading? Because Jesus perfectly fulfilled. And the way we know that, he was vindicated in the resurrection and he's exalted, seated at the right hand of the Father, demonstrated that he perfectly completed everything he was tasked to do. What you notice about a lot of these men, these Michael Todd's, a lot of these men when I had this, they didn't have some man who was well-schooled and seasoned to kind of bring them along. And you cannot discount that. That it is vitally important that if your pastor's a person who just hung out a shingle and decided, I love the Lord, I got a Bible. Let me go ahead and preach. If that's his background, no training, no seasoning, he's fairly young. See, me personally, it'd be hard for me to go to a church where the pastor's under 30. Matter of fact, that's hard. I'm not doing it. One, because my kids are older than him and so I'm not gonna do it. But two, wisdom doesn't come just because you are nice looking or you got or you know the word. No, wisdom comes by time. And if you haven't had any time in the world and in time in the word and ministry, I don't trust your wisdom how to apply it and you'll start looking for something new. You'll become a new age preacher. So, but anyway, let's go ahead and continue. Nobody ever really answers me on this and Alan Parr didn't either. So, when I brought up Mark 16, his answer was that's not supposed to be in the Bible. Like Mark 16, these signs shall follow them that believe. If it said these signs shall follow, that believe. Mark 16 was not in the original transcripts. Follow the things that believe, right? And it says one of them is they'll speak in tongues. And then Acts 10, Acts 2, everybody did it. Every instance in the Bible where somebody was receiving the Holy Spirit they all spoke in tongues. And so what was crazy is, not get it now, there's a little panel there. These aren't pastors that he's on. But again, and I made this statement when he spoke to Alan Parr, Alan, you went to Dallas Elastic Seminary. You got years and years of some of the best minds there. How easy it was to go through Acts and find six or seven examples of someone believing and receiving the Holy Spirit and not speaking in tongues. But you didn't do it. And you led them up a hook. But here's a guy though, who demonstrates his lack of understanding. Now this guy right here, I want you guys to listen. This is Apostle Alexander Pagani. And what is just amazing, what floored me is a statement that he's gonna say about what he's discovered after being in ministry for so long. I learned today, listening to you. Alan, I have to give this to you. You exegeted Romans eight in such a profound way that I actually learned something. Now I understood dialect and I understood glossary. No, you didn't. I understood those concepts. But the fact that you was able to break down Romans eight that it says the Holy Spirit speaks without words that can't be uttered. Oh, that was revolutionary for me. This Apostle charismatic tongue talking, whatever, Christian. Even I was like, oh, oh, my spirit leaked. My spirit said, bang. I was like, oh, that's so good. I've been in ministry since 1995. It's been quite a minute since I've read Romans eight and to have you exegete that text in a way. That caused me to, what? My spirit said, boom. I was like, Jesus. So in Romans eight, 26 is not a difficult passage. As a matter of fact, I'm thinking of it all. I have a Holy Spirit with groanings that cannot be uttered. The English is crystal clear. How's that you don't know that? But now you're using that passage to promote tongues. That just floored me. So guys, go. The pastor and hadn't visited Romans eight in a minute. Because the emphasis with Pagani and a lot of these guys is not the scripture. Scripture is a prop. Like they'll maybe quote a few phrases from the book, but it's a prop in order to get to their objective. So actually that was actually a moment of clarity and honesty in that moment as he's talking that really demonstrates that scripture is not central in these guys, quote, unquote ministries. Just demonstrating. I always say with these guys, scripture is an accessory. It's not the main events. And that's exactly how they treat it. They don't know the scriptures. Like the little young man with the little skinny jeans trampled all on the atonement, which concerns me because I'm like, how do you give the gospel in its pure unadulterated form if you can utter out your mouth that Jesus didn't reach his potential and that you just didn't understand what that meant. And that when he said it is finished, I don't want to misrepresent, but it sounded as if he didn't understand the implications of what that meant. How are you giving people the gospel if you can't articulate why Jesus needed to come, why he needed to be born of a virgin, live under the law? Like, what is wrong with you? Do you even Bible, bro? Yeah, this is how I feel. Every time that I step behind the pulpit, every time I grab a mic, every time I walk into a room, every time I'm gonna leave the study, I want someone to see somebody who, one, can respect for handling the work, not because I can tickle the ears because I can make you feel good and warm when he inside that God is getting ready to bless me. No, I want you to feel good about the storm that you're going through and that you might not live through. I want you to feel good about that. I want you to feel good about Christ. I want you to feel good about his scriptures and that being all that you really need, all that you need is him. But what they're offering, what they're selling is, no, we'll get to Jesus later. But what I really want you to do is see me and then possibly see your potential. But I want you to see your potential through me. And the problem that's sorely missing is that they don't understand scriptures. So with that being said, guess what we gotta do? We're gonna go ahead and go through scripts. I wanna go over a few of them in April. If you got some scriptures you wanna toss in here as well, these might be some of the same scriptures that you are thinking about as well. And so if there's one to come to mind, just go ahead and blur it out and I'll put it up here. I'm getting better at this software. So let's see. But the one that first one I wanna look at is Second Timothy 2.15. It says, do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed. Look what it says, rightly handling the word of truth. And the issue is, and it's applicable here, Paul is talking to Timothy who is a young pastor, a younger pastor training him. Well, these pastors don't get that. They don't rightly handle the word. I'm gonna let you guys in just one second. We'll go to another passage real quick and bring you guys in. And that is these two back to back, really it's Second Timothy 3.16. All scriptures breathe out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training and righteousness why that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. But these men of God and these women are not complete but he says, let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in 3.16 teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs with thankfulness in your heart. And so I think it's the problem is that what's sort of lacking in churches today and in ministries today is the word. Every currency, every problem throughout church history can always have its root back to the lack of sufficiency of scripture. You can always trace it through that. About every problem in the deity of Jesus. Yeah. They all attack. I was thinking of since we're in Second Timothy, Second Timothy 4, obviously 3, for the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching but having itching ears, they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions. And that's kind of how what I was talking about saying, these pimps are offering these women in particular, everything that their carnal heart already wants, right? But then the scripture goes on to say, and they'll turn away from listening to the truth and they'll wander off into myths as for you always be sober minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist fulfill your ministry. The endure suffering part, no one wants to do that part. You never will go in one of these services and they will teach on how to endure suffering or how suffering is a part of the Christian experience and how we're suffering for righteousness. Not some simple suffering, but suffering for the sake and for the cause of Christ. They're not teaching that because that's not popular. Cause they're like, well, you may not gonna have my suffering alleviated. No. In fact, it's promised it's going to happen. That message is not popular and therefore it doesn't fill the seats. April said something so profound there is that if you look through the epistles, every, all of the Christian ethic, all of our, all of the exhortations for obedient and Christian ethic is all grounded and in evangelical motivation. That is, it's a gospel centered motivation, which means gospel, the gospel has to be central. So April was just talking about suffering. What is the basis of our suffering? We suffer because Christ also suffered. So, so that's also the, you know, it becomes the very foundation, becomes the very basis for the very Christian experience. All you have to do is read, for example, Philippians chapter three is a perfect example where Paul sought to experience the sufferings of Christ in his own walk as he was living out his Christian faith. And in first Peter actually talked a lot about suffering and how not if you suffer, but when you suffer, it is a reality for the believer. So, but what is all that grounded in? What is that all that grounded in? In an evangelical gospel centered foundation, which means Christ must be the focus. Christ must be central in all that we say, think and do. We're not talking about moralism because a lot of organizations and groups can teach you moralism. We're talking about the very grounds by which we live. What did Paul say in Galatians two? He said, the life I now live, I live by faith in the one who loved me and gave himself up for me, right? So that is directly tied to the atonement, directly tied to the gospel. It must be a gospel centered foundation. I'm gonna give you another verse to read about false prophets and false teachers. We're gonna go to second Peter chapter two, beginning at verse one. Okay. Second Peter chapter two. Now listen to this. It says, but false prophets also rose among the people just as there will be false teachers among you. And so the emphasis here is where do these false teachers come from? Are they're irreligious people or religious people? Very religious people. They're not coming, they're not someone that may not talk about the name of Christ or use Christian terminology. They're gonna be right at home with that. Who will what? Secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the master who bought them, bringing up on themselves swift destruction. And here's the problem verse two. And many will follow their centrality. There it is. And we see that it's about what I feel, what I desire, what I want. Many will follow their centrality and because of them, this is why, what is all of the emphasis? Why do you guys keep talking about Marcus Rogers? Why do you guys keep talking about Pagani? Why do you guys keep talking about a quote unquote apostle Ferguson and all these other guys? Why? Because of them, the way of the truth will be blasphemed. This is the problem because with a false gospel, there is no salvation. With a false Christ, there's no salvation, ladies and gentlemen. That there's only one way to the father, right? And we know that. And in their greed, here's the thing, they will exploit you. They will exploit you with what? With false words. That's the key. It may be sweet sounding words. It may be music to your ears to many, but they're false words. Their condemnation from long ago was not idle and their destruction is not asleep. And I think when we see the danger that the danger of false teachers is oftentimes, they will use a vocabulary that's similar to what we will use but that apply different definitions, different meanings, different emphasis to it that's ultimately unbiblical. So the debate and switch is, oh, this is quote unquote a man of God because look, he's talking about doing Christian ministry. He's talking about building the kingdom. Doesn't that sound biblical? But when you look at the substance of what they're doing, if you look at the emphasis on Christ or rather the lack of emphasis on Christ in the gospel, if you look at what do they mean by God, right? The nature of God and the character of God. We're talking about two different beings all together. If you think about that, that is how they're able to introduce destructive heresies because they're disguising the heresies and language that's similar to the language that we're using, but that's where we need to use discernment. And that's a big word that every believer needs to grab hold to and never let go of because there's a lack of discernment, especially on some of these online YouTube channels from some people that didn't know what to do. Someone mentioned this and it always comes up. For some reason, people want to knock seminary and the demographic that has the least amount of people or preachers that have been in seminary, black folks were at the bottom. Now I'm not sure if we're the worst or the second worst, but the issue is we have not placed a strong enough emphasis or value on training. Doesn't mean that everybody that goes to seminary is gonna come out perfect or knowing everything or have a godly heart. No, well, guess what? Judas was with Jesus and that didn't stop him from being who he was. And so it doesn't matter where you go to, but the issue is that a seminary or some sort of training is like a guide. When you drive on the highway, many of you are in these larger cities and like in Dallas, there is this 75 overpass where you go up and kind of go around. Now, I don't know anybody, anybody that's ever hit those guardrails, but I promise you, you're happy that those guardrails are there. Why? Because they're there to protect you and to kind of keep you from going over. Well, what biblical training will do is to kind of give you some guardrails to keep you from going over. Now, if you go over, it won't be because you weren't told that, you weren't taught that. You need to intentionally, you were trying to be deceptive. And so that's why it is necessary that you find someone with some biblical training. It is vitally important. Again, it's not 100% guaranteed that the person won't go off the rails because guess what? Steven Burdick went to seminary. So it doesn't, but that's an issue of the heart and not the head. But what has to happen is you need to be at a church, at a place, especially, and I'm speaking mainly to minorities and women because you ought to have some pride to say, you know what? I'm going to stop falling prey and victim to the stupidity that's being hoisted on me when the scriptures are there. Because what's happening is a lot of men, a lot of women, and particularly to what's to remain in this conversation, a lot of minorities and women, we are simply ignoring what's there in front of us because we want to have our, as April mentioned and what Paul said in Timothy, that we want to have our ears tick. We want to have someone preach to our needs. But the fact of the matter is, listen guys, you're going to go through something. That's just, and if wisdom hadn't taught you this, it's just a fact of life. You are going to go through something. You're going to suffer through something. I don't, that's whether you're a believer or not. The issue is who you're going to suffer with, who you're going to go through the storm with. And if you've got someone telling you that you won't or you can make it easy or you can come out of Adam, that's not going to, name the most godly people that you can think of in the Bible and tell me what they went through. Then you see if you're going to escape. If you are, it's only because you're not a child of his because as Rachel, as April was alluding to, all of us who are in Christ, we shall suffer persecution. That's going to happen. We're not going to have some new heavenly mantle bestowed upon us. We're not going to have some new kingdom rule. We're not going to be able to command the gates of, how do you command the gates of heaven to open? Who are you talking to? Is your arrogant? Who you commanding? That's the part I don't get. And so this very same person who is now going to have this rule over us, who is now going to command something over us, whose words are going to be, who are going to even move the government and how he's going to shut up even the mouths of his enemies. First of all, that's the wrong person. I can see if it was somebody who had a little bit more spotless reputation, somebody whose personal life was a little bit more intact. But these things matter and we are just blinded to it and it should not be that way. Go ahead guys, I'm sorry, I'm monopolizing the time. Here's what I would, I would just like to make two points, one about seminary. I don't believe that a man needs to go to seminary, but I would argue that the reason why we don't see more people in seminary and this may not be popular and y'all challenge me, I'm fine on that. I'm not afraid. But it's cost prohibitive for one and two, if we look at the caliber of our seminaries now, many of them can't be trusted. All we gotta do is look at, I mean, look at Southern seminary. Look at, I mean, Midwestern might still be okay. The DTS is like, it's so much happening. There's just an assault on our institutions and they're not even being guarded and protected from this foolishness. So one, this is why the local church is important because I know so many of my brothers that would love to go to seminary, but because of the cost, it's almost like they're barred entry and the local church is not supporting them in that effort. Like if you've got young men in your church and they're saying, hey, I believe I'm called, I have a desire to preach. I fit all these other qualifications I'd like to go and be trained. The local church should be supporting that effort, saying, hey, we have one of our own that we've discipled him. We've known him since he was yay high. Let's offset some of these expenses so that he can go off. Let's vet the school first. Let's say, hey brother, and you know, some of the elders come along. We've vetted these schools. Let's see what we can get you into and then let's help financially support that effort so that when you come out, the goal is for you to come back and serve here. Or we send you out and plant other biblically sound churches somewhere else. So. Well, let me say this real quick. Again, it's not a statement that everyone needs to go to seminary or every passion needs to go to seminary. The reason why there is a need for more, I mean to go to seminaries because there's not a lot of ways to know what the person who's leading this church knows. At least you can say, hey, this guy went through something. Now what he does with it, that's on him. And sometimes seminary gets a bad rap because there's somebody that went to seminary that also did something. I can promise you this. I can promise you this. When you start adding up the false teachers and the good ones, the ones that you like, I promise you guys, start doing, matter of fact, let's do this. Start rattling off the false teachers, rattle them off and start rattling off the ones that you trust. I promise you the ones that you trust the most have gone to seminary. It's not a, and granted, you can study and get all that you need from the Bible. I'm not, again, I'm not saying go to this seminary, that's me, and there are some very good ones. There are some ones that have just gone by the wayside. Just, it is what it is. And that's always gonna be the case. You can't find anything in our world that has not been corrupted by sin and selfishness and pride, that's what I'm saying, right? Even marriages, so the point is, though, you want to make sure that the person that you're listening to is trained. And so sometimes you can get that from seminary, maybe you can get it on your own, maybe the guy is having their own intensive study, which is fine, but if a person cannot break down scriptures, I think, this is me, I think everybody behind the pulpit, everybody, I don't say this for just the regular lay person. I don't say this for the deacons if that's how your structure is set up. I think that every pastor, this is me, every pastor ought to have at least a decent, a modicum of understanding of the languages. Why, because it opens up, it settles a lot of issues, it really does, but also be able to go through systematic theology, understand what was God doing with Israel under the law, and what does he say he's gonna do with Israel, understand these prophecies and so forth, instead of just getting everything off of what somebody said on YouTube or what someone said on Google. And so that can be the benefit of it. Again, I'm not advocating that everyone go to seminary, but I'm just saying that's my point in highlighting seminary is the fact that we have devalued education and instead replaced education and learning and knowledge with our experiences. And so if we got a good civil rights leader out there and he knows how to get a good march going with him, he can be a good pastor, right? Yeah, let me jump in and say a thing. I think there's a lot of good comments that have been made. The church should always be the very foundation for Christian education. And over time, what's happened is that a lot of that has been moved to the seminary and this is not a slap against seminaries. But what I think what it does is that I think there's an opportunity here. For example, when you look at 2 Timothy 2, verse one, it says, you've been my child be strengthened by the grace that is in Christ and what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses and trust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. So this is happening, not in isolation, this is happening within community. And so one of the things, as I was hearing April and Corey talk, one of the things I wanted to reflect on is the fact that there's a growing movement I think in many churches now to get back to the church, to local church being the foundation for training up the pastors, right? Part of the reason is, yes, you can get the education. And then I think Stephen Furtig example is like, well, are they vetted? You can have all of the theological knowledge, but what is your character like? So part of pastoring is also modeling, right? You can have all of the systematic theology, but how are you treating your wife? How are you taking care of your home? All of those are essential and people don't know you because you got shift off somewhere and then you got hired at a church, but they don't know your track record. That's a problem, right? So I think- That's where the training from the men come in where you have these, when I spoke earlier about how we don't have people who they have no wisdom, they have no time in the ministry. They're just there, right? They can preach real well or maybe they can sing, they've got these different gifts, but no older man has brought them along. And so yeah, you're right. It can't just be head knowledge because having that, I've seen some men who know the word forwards and backwards, but their heart is just as bad as well. So yeah, to your point, you're actually right. Listen, if I as one, a woman and a lady person can get me deep up in this, there is no excuse. We all are without excuse. We invest in things that matter. Ladies, we invest in our hair. We invest in our nails. Get your Bible weight up. You have to because one, if you're not training in righteousness and what the scriptures teach, you'll be deceived. And two, if you're in an environment where you can't question, you need to find you enough. Like I can go to any of my elders and say, hey, this week I was reading such a search and I walked away with this. Am I along the right lines? Am I thinking clearly? Am I the first person through antiquity to come up with this? Cause if so, I need to know. Like you should be able to go to your elder or your pastor and have these types of conversations. But if he got to check the concordance cause he's not sure where, like even if he doesn't know the address or book chapter and verse, does at least know what testament is in. I mean, we've got to get to a point where, and I find this is an issue, particularly amongst women. And I want to challenge the women to stop being this way. Stop relegating your Bible knowledge to someone else or that's just something the experts do. Why? Because if you look in the book when Paul was writing to Timothy, he admonished and praised the fact that Timothy got his teeth cut from his mama and his grand mama. Those women were the ones teaching him the scriptures, training him in righteousness before Paul even came into the picture. And so if the women weren't responsible for teaching the children, if we don't have a good grasp of the word and we're just like, oh, well when they go to church, they'll like learn it. And next thing you know, you're confused as to why your kid is coming home thinking Stephen Ferdick is the hottest thing since sliced bread. How does that happen? It's because you abandoned the wheel and you let someone else be in charge of training in righteousness. So just because you're a female that you don't need to be how to pull pen, you do need to sit down and be quiet. But you need to be well versed in the scriptures so that one, you're not deceived and two, that you take the responsibility along with you. If your husband said work, who's training the children? Granted, yes, the husband is shepherding the home and he's making sure that the children and the wife is discipled, but we can't just empty out our heads, right? Yeah. Me and my husband, he's my head, but he's also my brother in Christ, which means he holds me accountable and I have to hold him accountable. It's, I don't know, that's just one issue that I see why women get so deceived because we are lazy and we don't wanna study the scriptures for ourselves. We just want someone to just spoon feed it to me. Let me say this, because I'm also kind of paying attention to some of the chats and so forth. And so one of the questions keeps coming up about the systematic theology that you have with Wayne Grudem. And most people in here, honestly, would not agree with Wayne Grudem's theology, but the reason why that systematic theology book is so well is because he covers, when he asks, well, what if I don't agree with Wayne Grudem? What he does, he positions it in a way to where he shows other people's views. Matter of fact, you might even not even look at the book and know what his theological stance is. That's why, to me, it's one of the better systematic theology because he covers what other people think as well. Plus, himself also, and you don't see him really leaning to one side of the other. And that's the whole point about getting an understanding because sometimes this person has it or that person has it, but it's just helpful to seek out what other people see, what other people think. And the problem with, and of course, this is a big problem in a lot of seminaries is that they want to challenge you so much. So they almost wanna challenge you, in some seminaries, out of even being a Christian. Well, wait a second. Every first year seminarian is not that well-versed in the scriptures. And so you wanna frighten the poor guy, or poor gal, out of even being a Christian. How do you know Jesus is down on the cross? Prove it. Prove that Mark wrote Mark. Prove that, you know, wait a second. And so that's the problem with some of these men and these women. And so if a person wants to take that route, but again, if you just wanna make this- Isn't there concern with his continuationism? Is that the issue? Or I'm just curious. I can multitask, but I can't read the comments and listen and participate. So I'm just curious as to, I mean, because even if you knew his position, he's not a continuationist in the sense that he's about to just bust out. You're gonna weigh and groove him? Yeah, yeah. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm saying, well, I'm saying his book is an excellent book. As a matter of fact, it's so excellent that I went and bought it for this software. It doesn't come with it. And so it is my favorite book because irrespective of what his views are, you don't see that because he positions other views equally. And so that's kind of how it ought to be done. Here, this is what this says, this is why they believe this. This is why they believe this is about apostles. This is why they believe this about baptism, why I believe this and so forth. And so it is a wonderful book. But even if you don't, again, it should be everyone's desire to grow deeper in the Lord. Whether that's going to the seminary, whether that's getting a book, whether that's getting a software, you should desire to grow deeper in the Lord in two ways. Two ways, guys, I want you to pay attention. Well, three ways, I'm sorry, three ways. One, by what you know up here. Paul said, therefore grow in the grace and in the knowledge. So you wanna grow in knowledge that is important. Teach what a course would sound doctrine. So we want to know what is sound teaching. So you gotta have this. But you also need to have this, the heart. I see people talking about the Holy Spirit and Jesus. They're my seminary, but the problem is, what if someone says, I got the Holy Spirit and I got the Holy Spirit and we differ? Well, then how do you come to a conclusion? So you want to, the way that works is by spending obviously more time on your knees, by praying, by fellowship with other believers. So you wanna get as close to God as possible. But then the third thing, the third page that goes with this is experience. Sometimes you guys have been hurt by bad ministries and turn around and trade that bad ministry in for another bad ministry. I went to a apostle so-and-so over here. Now I'm going to prophet so-and-so church. They did me wrong or it wouldn't know. Maybe it's this and this that's messing you up and your experience didn't kick it in. And so all of those things matter. And I'm saying is we have a huge problem, a huge problem, not just with people of color and with women, but obviously with white folks as well, white men because that's kind of the demographic that's sort of left out. But obviously it's a problem all over and you see white men leading some of these ministries. But if more and more people understood how to study for themselves and you could hold your pastor or the person is teaching accountable, we wouldn't have the Marcus Rogers of the world. We wouldn't have the Benny Hens of the world. We wouldn't have the Creflo Dollars and TJs. We wouldn't have people who are praying on people's bad experiences. There's always gonna be somebody that's going on. What did P.T. Barnum say? There's a sucker born every minute. And there's also gonna be somebody who's hurt born every minute where they can go and take advantage of that. But just because you've been hurt does not absolve you of responsibility to read the Bible for yourself. I agree. I was reading where someone had made a comment that we're in the Bible, does it say? Where people have to go to seminary. I would obviously just like Bible and Trinity is not in the Bible. What we do see, right? If we look at the apostle Paul, Paul was a Pharisee of Pharisees. Like when I say he was well studied, he was well studied. And even after his conversion, he didn't just come out, get up off the ground after being knocked off his beast and say, well, you know, I'm about to go proclaim the good news. I don't know. He took some time away, right? One, Jesus trained him, right? Two, the apostles had to vet him, be like, listen, we remember you and your reputation ain't so hot out in these streets. We need to make sure that you weren't really, like you converted, converted. Like what we need to know. So we have examples in scripture. They're theological training. Well, one scripture was being written, right? But they had the Old Testament. You didn't mess with the Old Testament just in a cursory manner. They searched the scriptures. The Bereans searched the scriptures to make sure what they were being told was sold. And so I'm not making a case that says if a man does not go to seminary, he's not qualified. What I'm arguing is that if he is not trained in the scriptures, and that training is not vetted, it's irresponsible to just get up and just say, well, I've been called. So therefore, preach. Don't come away thinking that this is an advertisement for seminary. I'm just as an example. Let me just, I'll bring you back in in just a second, Rick. Let me just pull this passage up for you guys to see. Because I want you to remember that everybody that we see in the Bible leading didn't just, you know, get saved, get the Holy Spirit in and let me go preach. You know, each of them had some time in it. So let's just read what Paul gives as Timothy as a qualification of anyone who wants to be. If you desire this, it's a good thing. But look at the qualification he says. He says, is a trustworthy saying in 1 Timothy 3.1, if anyone aspires to be in the office of an overseer that we call a pastor, he desires a noble task. Therefore, an overseer must be, look, be above reproach, that's his character, the husband of one wife. I ain't got a whole bunch of them out there. Soberminded, self-control, respectful. This is character stuff right here, guys. Hospital, and look at this right here. Able to teach. Three, not a drunkard, not violent, but gentle, not corrosive, that's wisdom, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well with all dignity, keeping his children submissive. For if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? He must not, look at this. He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into condemnation. Moreover, look at this, look at this. He must be well thought of by outsiders so that he may not fall into disgrace into the snare of the devil. Guys, those last two parts are actually pretty important. One, you see the people like these guys who just, their fame just skyrocketed and they get these accolades. Now, it's hard for a man who's been in ministry for a long time to deal with that, much less a person who, at a younger age or young in the ministry, gets all these accolades and so forth, and people pat him on the back and they just, the head swells and they feel good. They, I mean, they start, they start to read their own press clippings and they smell themselves, and so, that's because he says unless he becomes puffed up. And then look at verse 70, he says, moreover he must be well thought of by outsiders. That means non-Christian should also think of this guy. You know what, I don't believe in this Jesus stuff, but that's a pretty good guy right there, why? Because who is he hopefully going to end up converting? If I don't like you, if I think you're a crummy person, I'm not gonna hear the gospel that you're preaching and so it matters. And so Paul goes through this and so those are the things that you ought to see in the person that you see on YouTube or on Google or one of the other social platforms, but then also when you go to church, that's who you ought to see. Unfortunately, when you go to the apostle so-and-so, the bishop so-and-so, the prophet so-and-so, you're not seeing that. Notice he did say a man, guys, and so I know somebody might be bothered by that, but I didn't say it, God said, I'm just reporting it. And so it's not hard to figure out what God's standards are and those are his standards. It should be the same thing as you apply equally to the person you listen to. I'm sorry, go ahead, Rick, I didn't mean to cut you off. No, this is really good because we live in an age of anti-intellectualism and it should not be part of the Christian faith. I'm gonna tell you why, because scripture militates against that. We're told to love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. Man. Our mind has to be engaged in loving God. This is not about ooey gooey feelings, right? This is not about sentimentalism. Our mind, the mind that God created and gave us is engaged in the worship and understanding of God's revelation. Here's the other thing I wanna bring out, is that at all the examples that were April and Corey mentioned before, is that every person that God or Christ tasked to proclaim his word, they were trained up, they were equipped to do the job. They weren't just thrown out there to do the job. And if you even think about the 12 apostles, they had better than a seminary education. Remember how the scribes and Pharisees, when they saw Peter, they said these are unlearned men and look, they're speaking boldly, an act. So you can see the transformation just being in the midst of Christ, even in those few years of what that did to them. The impact it had in their very lives and their very boldness of faith. The other thing we have to remember is we're 2,000 years removed from Christ. We're in a different hemisphere, in a different culture. And because of that, we have to be painstaking in our determination to understand the scriptures, everything from idioms and uses of language, just like how we would learn any other form of literature. It's amazing how people will spend time learning different genres and things of this nature, but when it comes to the Bible and we seek to do that, now we're called not being spiritual because we're seeking to understand the culture, the history and all the things you have to do in order to have a proper understanding of the text. What Brother Rick said, it's amazing because I just started rereading through the gospel of John, but this time I told myself, I'm gonna read this gospel as if I was a first century Jew. And when I tell you, I couldn't even get to chapter two because just simple statements when John the Baptist says, behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the work. Like if I'm a first century Jew and I heard that, I'd be like, wait, wait, what? Did he sacrifice the slaying bulls and goats and grain offerings and did he just say the, like when you read the scriptures, like you said, getting in touch with the culture, and we're 2000 plus years removed, it changes the way you understand scripture because you're like, I'm not gonna put my American, you know, rose color lenses on it, but rather I'm trying to understand it the way the first century when they received it understood it, it changes the way you view the script. One, it humbles you because you're like, wait a minute, before if I wasn't a Jew, I was just cut off and now I'm grafted in, I have to be circumcised by faith, I can come in, like that is amazing. And so I would, I know the topic of this live is, you know, why is it that minorities and women, we seem to be so easily deceived and dumbed down, it's a lot of it has to do with the anti-intellectualism, the laziness and vigorous study in the scriptures. There's so many other reasons, I would encourage Brother Corey to have your listeners start looking at the Bible from the vantage point of when this was written, what would this have meant to them? Right? When they use the spirit, what did that mean to them? All these languages are being spoken in a book of acts. Why was that necessary? Let me use this as a commercial. Remember guys, beginning, and I'll put it out this weekend, but starting the first weekend of February, we're gonna start having the Bible study classes. I'll have the workbook for you guys to download, which is guys, this is a bit of an undertaking to kind of get this straight. As a matter of fact, let me give a plug. Guys, this is one of my buddies here. He probably don't want me to even do this, but that's one of my buddies. And so he knows kind of how it was for me back when I was having my federally induced hiatus. But we get, as a matter of fact, what was funny, how he and I began to talk was, you know, in prison, you know, you go out and you work out and you got time on your hand sometimes. So we walked the trackers. We just came to ask you some questions. And I wasn't really sure how he was coming at me. You know, if I was, you know, what's this guy up to? Cause, you know, that's how I can be there. You know, you never know what kind of English guy is on, right? And this guy had a, you know, came from the streets, but he had a hunger and a desire for the word. And you know what? He didn't want, he didn't want you to give him that fluff that kind of feel good. He wanted you, man, tell me what the word to say. I want to be able to kind of go through this. And so what we do, even what we did there is we're gonna start not from John or not from Acts of the Gospel, because when certain things are being stated, what are they referring to? And should I apply what was said to Israel? No weapon formed against Michelle Prosper. Does that, does that apply to me or what it says in second chronicles? Does that apply to me or does that apply to if my people are called by my name? We use these passages all the time. Does that apply to me? Well, no. Why was it said, who was it said to? And now is there a benefit? And so we want to look at that as well. So just a little quick little plug. Now, guys, we've been on here for about an hour and 40-something minutes. And so what I want to do, Is it in the hall? Yeah, yeah. Time flies when you are having fun. What is that? Mine is a handful though. I almost want to start talking about the workouts because one day I thought he wanted to fight me over a workout that we did, but anyway, that has nothing to do with this. But anyway, guys, if you have any questions, if you guys want to take some questions, we'll take a few. I did neglect to tell some of you guys that I don't know what I'm dealing with. If it's a flu, if it's COVID, if it's COVID, that's no big deal. I can handle it. It'd be my third time with COVID. But I am feeling a little bit under the weather. And so once I get off of this, I am getting in the bed, pulling the covers up over my head. I'm gonna watch Indiana basketball. And that'll be that. There will be a video tomorrow. I'm not sure if it won't be live though. But anyway, if you guys want to take some questions, stick around for a few minutes. I would love for you. And they're gonna ask some questions. They're cool? Sure. And caught me off of the call. Yesterday, I wasn't feeling sick sick, but I felt like my throat was starting to hurt. Took some supplements. The sore throat went away. And now today is the call. But I feel like myself. So I may have got hit with the wrong again. I don't know. But I feel fine. I just can't stop this call. Well, it's going around. I don't know if this thing is gonna be here for us. But you know, the good thing guys is that this stuff happens. And no matter what it is, if we all came down with COVID, we still have a God in heaven who is our father. So let that be the main thing, right? We've got a question from BeGreatBME says, even if one is not going for pastor, how important is it to look for some biblical education? Let me jump in and say this. Every believer is a theologian. Because our main objective is to know the God who is revealed in scripture. From the time we are converted, to the time we come to the Lord, from the time we take our last breath, that is our mission. Remember, that is what Paul prayed in Ephesians 3 to know the love of Christ, right? Which, you know, you can't even, you can't put it in the box to paraphrase, right? To know that love, right? Which surpasses knowledge, right? To know that, right? And that, how do you know that? Well, you can't know that unless you get into the word. So every person, regardless of your education level, should be a student of God's word. Every person's a theologian. Every believer is a theologian by nature. Because we are brought into fellowship with God. We are reconciled to God through Christ Jesus. And we spend our entire Christian lives learning to love and grow the knowledge of that God who redeemed us. Amen. I'm gonna give you this next question, April, says, how can I serve my people who are under the wrong or false teaching? Love them enough to tell the truth. There you go. I've had to do it. When the Lord saved me and pulled the scales off of my eyes, I mean, my evangelism game was like on 10 because just to be free and know the truth, I couldn't help but to share it, right? So I had family members still caught up in deception, co-workers, friends. You can lovingly do like my husband did me. He challenged what I believed and asked questions. He just was like, where is that in the Bible? I'm just, at first I thought he was trying to be funny but he asked me, where is that? Can you show me where we just left, where that is in the Bible? And I couldn't do it. And he was like, well, that should let you know that if all we need for life and godliness is supposed to be in here and we can't find or see any of what we're seeing done in the scriptures, it's probably not biblical. Not probably, it's not. And so I would just encourage you one, you get into your word so that you know the God of the Bible, that you can adequately defend your faith, right? The way of the book of, I can't remember if it's first Peter or second Peter. First, you need to sanctify Christ's Lord in your heart first and once you do that, you can't help but to give a reasoned defense for the hope that's within you. But you have to do it with gentleness and respect. That's my April paraphrase but that's essentially what the text is saying. One of you guys can pull it up if you wanna read it but that's basically how we do apologetics. We sanctify Christ's Lord in our hearts. Basically, he's primary. Because he's primary, he died for us and purchased us with his blood. We are able to spread the gospel and educate and tell others about who Jesus is, why they need a savior with the understanding that it is not even your responsibility to change people. All you're doing is sowing seeds, right? The Lord, he's Lord of the harvest. He is going to bring his sheep to him but we're charged with the awesome responsibility of disseminating his gospel freely and without distinction. Okay, let me go ahead and go to a couple of these. One, I need a system Caleb or whatever, I'm not sure if that's how you pronounce your name but I want you to go back and look at that passage Isaiah 43.9. Here's why you're asking how long is forever in Isaiah 43.9, let me put up on the screen. It says, all the nations gathered together and the people assemble, who among them can declare this and show us former things. Let them bring their witnesses to prove them right and let them hear and say it is true. The word forever is not there so I'm not sure if you've got the right passage so I want you to go and find that passage that you're looking for. It might not be the right passage and so I'll come back to you guys. Let me know if you see that person again. Let me answer, let's see. Okay, let me answer this question. He says, Christ is the- Did you just mean, I was thinking maybe not, it couldn't mean 43.10 because it's not there either. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. So Christ is the end of the law. Does that mean not to follow the law and can you follow Jesus and follow? Let me say this, Jesus Christ said, I did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill the law. The word that's used there is he brings it to a completion. How does that done? Well, under the old covenant, the law requires that people need, the whole purpose of the law is just to bring people close to God. They cannot do that and not be in a right standing. The way that's done for them under the old covenant law was that there was this atonement done for them. What does Christ do? One, he's perfect so he has no need to be, have this atonement for it and though he completes it by atoning for not only just their sin for that one year but forever but not just Israel but everyone else as well. And so this is why John says, look, the lamb who takes away sin, he's referring to the old covenant where there was a scapegoat that took away sin and he plays a part of the high priest as well as a sacrificial offering where his blood is shed on the altar. And so no, we don't have to follow the law. Again, Paul says this in Galatians 5.4, that you who want to be justified by keeping the law, you're already cut off. So do not try to keep the law. However, if you have Christ in you and the Holy Spirit is working in you, you will fulfill everything that God wants you to do. So do not go looking for the law to keep, okay? Let me go to this next one. Oh, for this one to you, Rick. This says, when and how should we pay tithes? Well, tithes are part of the mosaic legal economy. We're not under that economy. So, and then the question is, which ties, there were multiple ties in the New Testament as well. So some people think 10%, but if you look, it's gonna be a lot more than that. If you start looking at all the different various ties that you see in the scripture. So I think this question, what we have to take in consideration as the background of this question are the purposes and the differences of the covenants. And that's why I think understanding covenants, you talked about systematic theology earlier, things that's why things like that are so critical because there was a purpose for the covenant and the covenant was for a certain group of people, the mosaic of covenant. We are under the new covenant. And I think one of the best books that really shows you the contrast between the old covenant or the mosaic legal economy and the new covenant is the epistle to the Hebrews. I think if you go through the epistles of Hebrews, you will see the stark contrast and the memory of the emphasis here is how Christ is better. And every respect, better priesthood, better promises, better revelation, even the first chapter begins with the fact that he's the greater revelation, right? Then what came through the prophets, right? So that's my short answer to that. And if you're not careful, Rick, somebody's gonna mess around and start thinking that you are a bit of a dispensationalist. Anyway, what they would think wrong. Dispensationalism won't bone in my body. Let me give this to you, April. I would answer that. So in 2nd Corinthians 9... Hold on, April. Oh, there's a new question. Yes, a new question because we got to... I want to get as many as possible. Have you ever been in a service? The person giving the message, my old pastor actually said that Adam didn't send, he disobeyed. Well, I would take issue with that because you don't wanna disrupt, right? You don't wanna be a distraction. Me, because heresy makes me itch, I probably would do something afterwards in private, but for me, I'm just not gonna get up and rebuke a person giving a message. I just don't wanna be out of order like that, but that's just me. And then it just depends on the type of church. Like the type of church I go to, we have participatory worship. So our sermons is a two-way street. Like it's just not one pastor up there giving a diatrimon. We're just sitting there listening. Like it's participatory, it will not for women, but I mean, the men in the church, if they have a question or they're just like, hmm, you know, that's how we do it in my church. I don't know. I would caution just against that. You don't wanna be accused of being rebellious and being out of order. I would wait maybe, this is why I think smaller churches matter because you could pick up the phone and call the pastor or if he has office hours, request a meeting, be respectful, be gracious, but you bring that book chapter and verse. Be like, I don't see that no way in the scriptures, I need you to clarify that. Okay, let me give this one to you. I'm sorry, let me give this to you. Now, it would walk out. I'd do that. It says, I got this thing here in the way where I can't, let me move this out of the way, it's in my way where I can re-okay. The Bible says, work out your salvation with fear and trembling, but also says there is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out. How do you answer that, Rick? Yeah, so the thing is a lot of times that people think that fear in the Bible only means about awe and reverence. It's a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God. I mean, we can think of, understand the fear of God, we persuade men. Paul said those very words, right? So we got to understand that even though, and I brought this up earlier in our conversation, the motivation for Christian to primary, let me say it this way, this is probably a better clarifying way to say it, the primary motivation for Christian ethic and obedience is evangelical, but it's not the only motivation. You got to be very careful of you. If you read a lot of things, they make it sound like the only thing, only motivation for the Christian is purely evangelical, but we also understand who God is, right? God is still God, God is still holy. And so let's not mince any words about that. So when you read scriptures that talk about with fear and trembling, we have a right view of who God is in his holiness. And because of that, we respond in like fashion. That's what that means. That's why Paul can go understanding the fear of God, we persuade men. What did he understand? It's a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God, as the Hebrew writer says. And so we have to have a balanced view of when we use the word fear. Of course, as a believer looking at that second passage, which I believe came from 1 John 4, I believe, that passage deals with the fact that we are, as someone who is redeemed in Christ, we are secure in our position and our status. We, there's peace, it's not a ceasefire. We have perfect peace because of the finished work of Christ Jesus. And because of that, we don't fear. In fact, you will never see a passage of scripture for the believer, whether the believer is ever in a situation where they can be under any wrath or any judgment, that always falls under the unbeliever who never puts their faith and trust in Jesus Christ. That's what you will always see in scripture. So that's the way you have to balance. Sometimes, and here's the thing. I think this is a perfect lesson in allowing the context to drive the meaning because those were two different texts using the word fear, but describing two different scenarios. Yeah, and I see that, as a matter of fact, I brought it up with the Hebrew Israelites. You can't just look for a word and do a word search and find this word and think that that word is a, first of all, in many cases, it's not even the same word that's being used. It may be translated in English in the same word, but also not even the same context. So a very important point. We're gonna end on this question. Yes, right. And this is gonna kind of bring this full circle right here. He says, Corey, can someone be a sincere preacher, but just be missing it in certain doctrines? How do we arrive at calling someone a false prophet for certain? Well, let's just go to a couple of passages and let's see what the text has to say about it. Matter of fact, I don't know why I deleted that particular part of the passage. Let's go to one. Jeremiah 2316. He says, us as a Lord of hosts, do not listen to the words of prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. That's the key. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord. They say, continually to those who despise the word of the Lord, it shall be well with you. And to everyone who suddenly follows his own heart, they say, no disaster to come upon you. And so one of the things that we see oftentimes is they fill you with this hope of everything's gonna be all right. One, if you just follow them, if anyone speaks counter to them and wants to uphold scripture, they have a problem with that. Because what is one of the key words that some of these people will say? Well, you guys are Pharisees. You don't have the spirit of God and it's not manifested like that. And so if you don't see these people trying to teach you how to exegete scriptures, if you don't see them doing it themselves, if they look for a hidden meaning and this is indicative, because guess what? There are people who aren't false teachers who have a false teaching. That's every one of us. All of us have something false about our teaching. Maybe that shouldn't be indicative of all of our teaching, of all of our beliefs. But if you don't have, if you have a heart to where you can't be trained, you can't see anything different from how you see it. If you feel like you are the be all the end all and it's all about you. And here's gonna sound strange, guys. If you are the kind of person or you had a ministry where they promote the Holy Spirit kind of in an unbalanced fashion, they're not really promoting the Holy Spirit. They're talking about getting filled with the Spirit and using the Spirit and walking in the Spirit, but you don't hear what the Spirit gave us, which is the Bible. You don't hear them touting that. You don't hear them talking because what did Jesus say the Spirit's gonna do when it comes in you? It's gonna testify of who? The Holy Spirit? No, testify of Jesus. And so a clear, one, I won't say clear, but a good indication of whether person is actually a false prophet, even if the person's a Christian, is if they're not speaking about Jesus. And what I mean by that is by preaching the gospel about what he's done for us. And so when you get this lopsided view of things are gonna be all right, especially if you do it the way that I do it, I can cast out demons, I can do all these miraculous things that you can't see, I can tell you about, then that's one good way. If their lifestyle is indicative of just falsehoods, then yeah, that's a false teacher. You guys have anything to add to that? I would agree with what you said that, no pastor's doctrine is 100%, because we're all fallible men, fallen sons of Adam, who by God's grace are redeemed. I would say look for a pattern of life. If someone is claiming to be a pastor, and if you're in a context where he's prophesying and it doesn't come to pass, it only takes one time for me. I'm holding you to the standard of scripture. I don't wanna hear, oh, I was just off that day, no. You spoke presumptuously on behalf of the God of the universe and I'm not listening to you, because that is, we need, if we all understood how holy God was and that his name matters and what you say on behalf of him matters, we treat it so flippantly that God is just speaking and downloading his personal revelation to us every five minutes. If people had more reverence for the God of the Bible, they wouldn't even utter out their mouths that the Lord told me. They would be more respectful and more reverent and they would say, if the Lord wills, I'm gonna do this or that, or I'm feeling led to do this, but you need to put that on yourself. Don't say God told me. So if there's a pastor who's always talking about the Lord said, the Lord said, the Lord said, nine times out of 10, he's probably a false teacher, but I would listen closely to his words and see if what he's saying can be found in the text. If you can't find it, and then if he says something and it doesn't happen exactly the way he said it, I'm out, like I'm deuceus, I can't, I can't do it. Okay, what do you say, Rick? Well, I think what April said was kind of where I wanna land with this is that ultimately what the false teacher, false prophet, ultimately does is turns people away from the God of Scripture. And so the person that was already stated before is like they avoid correction because their goal is not to be corrected. Their goal is to speak their own mind and not the words of God. And so if you see someone who's resolute on that, that like we said, they can dress it up in all of the biblical language. We already know the game. They can dress it up. But ultimately they're directing people away from God, directing people away from Christ as he has revealed himself in the word. That's the key. Not how you want him to be, but as he's revealed himself in the scriptures. That's the key point. Because they will say, I'm directing you to Christ. I'm directing you to spirit. I'm directing you to the Father, but is it according to the scriptures? And if they're not doing that, then that's really the heart and soul of a false teacher. Yeah, let me say this guy. First of all, let me pull this person. Sism Caleb, let me give you the passage that you brought up. You said Ezekiel 43.9. It says, now let them put away their whoring and the dead bodies of their kings far from me. And I will dwell in their midst forever. And so the word that you're looking up for this word forever is this word here, which is the word. It is le, which is two or four in Hebrew. And then olam, which is forever into eternity. And so it literally means what you think it means in English. Olam, which is two or four into the 80s or forever. It's the same in Greek as well. It just means forever, forever and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever. So I just wanted to, I said, once you found the right scripture, we'll put it back up there. But now let me say this about April and about Rick. I haven't figured out the time yet how we're gonna do this, and we're gonna have April back on with a couple of other ladies who also have channels and we're gonna talk about, or they're gonna talk about, I'll just kind of be just in the back running the software, but talking about things that pertain to ladies. And then Rick is going to come on and probably sometime next week, we're gonna talk about, you guys ready? We're gonna talk about election. Ready? So we're gonna talk about election, we're gonna hit it. And so anyone who disagrees with it, anyone who's a big free will person, whatever your stance is, I'll let you guys know exactly when. And so these guys are coming back on again. That being said, guys, I really do appreciate your time on here with me and for you guys in the chat, I really do also appreciate you. Hopefully whatever's going on with me, if it's COVID, no biggie, if it's a flu, no biggie. I'm actually gonna watch some basketball. I'll take it back. Go watch some basketball and do a slight little workout, get my little body moving because maybe my body is just not, you know, working the way it's supposed to because I've been laying around. And so I'm gonna get up and do a workout. If my buddy LT is still in the chat room, you still can't beat me in working out. As long as you know that buddy, I'll still drop you off on the workout. So anyway, for the rest of you guys, stay blessed and we shall see you later.