 So what I want to do is, I want to get you all's take on street preaching in general, but then also this situation that, and this is old, this is not something that just happened yesterday, but it's making its rounds again, and I'm just now seeing it, and I want to get your, you all's feedback on the way this particular street preacher gets approached by Kirk Franklin. I don't know, obviously he doesn't know that Kirk Franklin is going to be there, but he's outside of where Kirk Franklin is or going into, and he is preaching, and lo and behold, Kirk Franklin shows up. Now let me just say this, I think that some street preachers go about things the wrong way. Now I can't say if, I can't say if their methods are right all the time or wrong, I certainly can't judge their heart, but I do know that there are some that kind of come across as being a little bit antagonistic, is there a right way, is there a wrong way to do it? Well, the wrong way to do it would be, obviously would be to do it out of condemnation, out of spite, without love. If you are preaching the gospel and there's no love behind it, then you're not preaching the gospel. Now you might be saying some words, and it might be that the gospel that you're giving out, or the words you're giving out, God might empower that person, regenerate that person, but as far as you getting any credit, no. If you're doing it for the wrong reason, there are some people that I've seen before, they'll just go out there and they're just, it's like they're slamming and attacking everybody. Can I give you the wrong way to do so? The wrong way to do it is you all are going to hell, you're going to hell, you sinner, look at you, and you're judging really everything about the person, and that's not how that works. That doesn't typically work well. Now I have tried it different ways. I have gone out and I have gotten on a little post, a little corner, and started shouting. Matter of fact, I'll never forget that one of the first times I did it was in college, and there's a little section where you're allowed to get up and say whatever you want to in college. Even back in the 90s, there was a kind of a free speech area, and this is at Texas Tech, and it's right in between the little student center and the library. If you know anything about Texas Tech, anyway, there's a little spot there, and so you're preaching to people, and it's a good spot because people have to go to the library. They have to go to the, they don't have to, but they do, make their way over to the student center. You go in there and you eat all this stuff like that. Matter of fact, that's where I first discovered Chick-fil-A. Never heard of Chick-fil-A in Indiana at that time, but I founded it at Texas Tech. But we're preaching, and college students, 18, 19, 20-year-olds, some 25-year-olds, walking by. They don't really care. They're trying to get to where they want to be. They don't want to hear anything having to do with getting themselves right. So what was my bright idea? Well, my bright idea was, if this message is so wonderful, let's go inside where everyone is. And so I could, this was probably, probably took about five minutes, probably five good minutes to clear the place out, five good minutes once I got up, and I mean the people, they vacated. So that didn't really work. That didn't really work at all. There's a right way to do it and there's a wrong way to do it, and my approach that way was the wrong way. Now, for some people, they might get some results, and I have no problem with that. As a matter of fact, some people have a way of presenting themselves in a way to where it's inviting, where you're asking questions, you're trying to elicit responses, rather than saying that you are, because I think what people confuse themselves with is John the Baptist. Let me just, let me help you guys out. For anyone that's out there street preaching, you are not John the Baptist. John the Baptist is, hey, repent or you're going to hell. Repent or you're going to hell. Let's just be honest, it's a difficult message to get someone to accept. Now, where I have had success was just simply just going to somebody one-on-one. Every now and then, two people, because sometimes they're with somebody. But a lot of times when there's two, three, or four people, it's hard to kind of get through. It's really hard to get through now. Is there a certain way that you have to do it? There is no certain way. The Bible doesn't say you've got to get out and speak to a bunch of people. The Bible doesn't say you have to do a one-on-one, one-on-two. There is no biblical mandate for you have to do it this way. Well, you have to go out two by two. Well, again, those are disciples. You know what you're not? You're not one of his first disciples. As often as you get the opportunity to share the gospel, do so. And there's different ways to go about doing it. So let's just make sure you all understand that. That needs to be stressed up front. But whenever I would say to speak to someone, I would ask a couple of different questions, and there was never a set way if you were to die today. If I couldn't think of anything clever, if you were to die today, where would you spend eternity? Do you know for a fact if you die, if you go to be with God forever? What is your belief in God? It can be different ways I might start the conversation now. And so looking at this, there were some things that, as I'm looking at this conversation that he has with Kirk Franklin, some things I understood, some things I wasn't really feeling, some things I understood where Kirk was coming from, some things, no, Kirk, you're wrong. And so without further ado, let's go ahead. By the way, by the way, how many of you all have ever actually gone out and just witnessed to a group of people? You versus five people, you versus 20 people. Have any of you guys ever done that? Have any of you guys ever gone out and just shared the gospel on the street corner with a bunch of strangers? That can be, it can be intimidating, but then what ends up happening as you get going, even if the little bit of passive aggressiveness, and you kind of get empowered, and you feel like you people are going to hell for not stopping to listen to me, and you kind of, there's a way that you shouldn't do it, and that way where you feel like you're being more emboldened as you go, so now you want to be a little bit more forceful, that's not quite the way that you want to go, that's not the attitude and the heart that you want to have. Now, again, one plants, one waters, but God gives the increase. So let's go ahead and listen to this, and I want to get, this is where I want to get you all's opinion. I want to see, as it stated, what would you have said to Kirk Franklin if this were you? Now, by the way, it's kind of cool, Kirk jumps, he's come and listened to him. He's got his camera. The man's preaching against Kirk Franklin, and he's got his phone out, and so he's speaking, I mean, he's recording this on, I don't know if he's going to make a video about it or what have you, but anyway, let's go back to it. Now, let's stop there. Kirk Franklin is at the BET Awards. Two things, two questions that have to be asked. One, if you were in Kirk's position, would you have taken the moment at the BET Awards to share the gospel, or would you have just said, you know what? I'm not going to the BET Awards. I'm not going to participate in any of this. What would have been your tag? Would you have, let's say, if you're in the position of Kirk Franklin, now granted, none of us are in the position of Kirk Franklin, none of us have any Grammy award-winning albums or anything like that, but what would you, now, again, it is a lot easier for us to say what we would or wouldn't do because it's not as, there's, I can promise you that there's a lot of pressure when you are successful. There's a lot of pressure when people are patting you on your back and pushing you and so forth or whatever, maybe your album, what do you call it, the company that's promoting your album, whatever, they're saying, hey, you need to go there, you need to do this, what have you. I get all that, but what would you do? A lot of folks said, I wouldn't go. Stay at home. Now, Kirk don't have time for that, he hasn't been walking, and listen, Kirk is, Kirk is, I have met him a couple of times before, now, do I know him? No, he doesn't know me, absolutely not, we don't, we have no idea. No idea of who each other, well, he knows, I know who he is, but then again, who knows? Maybe, maybe Kirk is actually at home, maybe Kirk is a subscriber and we just don't know, he's just kind of laying low. So, hey, what's up, Kirk? But what would you have done if you're, if you're Kirk? Now, there's two texts. You know what? I'm not going around them at all, I'm not going to hop, not because there's a present for that in the scriptures. The Bible says, do not be bound together with unbeliever for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness or what fellowship has light with darkness. So we should not be yoked up or bound up with, with these people. And so that's one side of looking at it, but the other side is, well, wait a second. I could also go there and share the gospel. I can go there and let folks know, forget about the fact of me winning this award. What about all of you guys? Because you can do that too. Maybe you get a golden opportunity to go and speak to all of these people and share the gospel. So what would you have done? What would you guys have done? I'd like to see, now let me, let me go and look at some of you all's comments. I wouldn't look at your comments. I'm sorry. Now I'm, now I'm looking at your comments. She said Kirk is not a Christian, but assuming he is, I can't, now let me say this, by the way, let me, let me just say this, let me say this. Some people are just, matter of fact, can I, can I, can I say it? Can I use the prophet? Let me just use the prophet to say, say it better than I could say it. The good prophet, Mike Todd. You can be saved and stupid, tweet that. You can be saved and stupid. Now the reason why I said that is because you can be saved and be stupid or do stupid things or just not quite get it, not, you know, you're not grown, you're not mature. Let me just say this side note, y'all remember about a month or so ago, folks were asking me, Hey, what about young Don? What about young Don? And I said, well, listen, I'm not going to say what he is or what he isn't. He is off the rails at that moment. And so he's young. He's trying to figure things out. He ought to figure things out away from the camera, but, but it might be, it might be that he's just working some things through. And so you can be saved, say some dumb stuff, be stupid, act stupid, not know anything. And then as God, the spirit is working in you, you end up, yeah, you know what? Here's the truth. You, how many of y'all have gone a thousand miles to get one feet? We've all done that. We can, we can go all the way around because we've done a grown up go all the way around. Parents said, don't do this. Don't do this. And we ended up coming back to where mom and daddy said not to go. That happens. Somebody gets, somebody places their faith in Christ at a kingdom hall. That's Jehovah's Witnesses or it places faith at a Mormon temple. They place legitimate faith, but they don't know very much. Well, but if the Lord is really working in them, then eventually they'll come out of that. And so sometimes you do want to offer some grace, but there are sometimes where you have to give a stern rebuke. The question is, when do you do so? You have to be mature, but also be wise, but at the same time be loving. So would you, let me ask you guys a question. If you have the opportunity, if you have the opportunity, let me answer it this way. If you have the opportunity to go before not just those thousands of people that are there in the auditorium at the BT Awards, but for the millions of folks that are going to watch it and you get an opportunity to share the gospel, would you do it? I think I would. Now, if it were me and I won an award for, I don't know, singing or what have you, you know what? I'm going. Remember, I told you I'm the guy that if you invite me to a gay wedding, if you, if you messed around, you slipped up and invited me to a gay wedding, I'm there. Man, listen, get my shoes on, get my, I'm Johnny on the spot. I am Johnny on the spot. However, you're probably going to kick me out once I get through speaking. Well, Corey, we didn't invite you to speak. Yeah, listen, if you invited me, you invited me to speak. I'm going to be there and I'm going to, because somebody I think needs, now there's a way that you have to do it. Am I going to get up and say, is there anyone that gives just calls why this man and this man, this woman, this woman shouldn't be married? I won't wait to that moment. I'll be kicked out by that time. I'll be kicked out by that time, but, but if there's an opportunity, I told you guys about the time a couple of times, but the last, the last time the Muslims, this is in prison. This is when I was on, I was on a federal tour. This is when the Muslims invited me to come and speak. They invited me to speak because if you all didn't notice, I'm black. And so they were having, this is a nationwide Muslims, not the, not the Sunni Muslims, but in prison, the Nation of Islam Muslims. And they invited me to speak for what they call their Savior's Day. Now, wait a minute, Corey. And the church was like, wait, it's Corey. You're going to speak at the Savior's Day program with the Muslims? Yep. Can't wait. I can't wait. Why are you Corey? That's not Godly. What are you doing with them? Come watch. Come watch and come support me. So because it's Savior's Day, I've got 50, 60, 70, 80, I don't know how many people there in this little room with the opportunity to share the gospel with them. It's called Savior's Day. Let me give you who the actual Savior is. Let me tell you, it's not about being black. It's about being blessed in Christ. Some of the notes from my sermon. They didn't invite me back. As a matter of fact, a couple of them were upset. Brother, you should have, that wasn't an opportunity. Yes, it was. You told me to share my heart and I did. So sometimes you get an opportunity. So if it were me and I were Kirk, I'm going there. Now, we'll talk about the effectiveness of this meeting, but I would go there. I would go to share the gospel. But now what I would not do is you would not see me hobnobbing and hanging out and this and that with all the people that are ungodly now. If you saw me talking to, I don't know, who's famous? You know what? I'm out of the loop. I'm out of the loop. So maybe some of you younger folk can tell me. Let me just scroll and see some of you younger folks. CG, Jermaine, you could tell me. Darrell, who are some of the people that are kind of, you know, I use the word hip, but I was told the word hip is out of style. Sierra, you're young. Who's in there? Who's in style? Jay-Z? Okay, Jay, I know that name Jay-Z. So if I say Jay-Z, we need to have a talk about this hove thing. Do you understand how little dirt, little dirt? I heard it now. If little dirt walked by me, I wouldn't know who he is. But let me share with you who the actual Jehovah is. Let's talk about why that's wrong. And so now I enjoy, Jermaine said, I'm 42, you still young. I don't worry about I'm 42, you still young. I wish not kid. Well, you look young. How about that? You look younger than 42. But I would have a conversation with them on the side. You know why? Because what I do know for a fact, people act a certain way. Look, I wish I could speak with Lil Nas X. People act a certain way in public. They just do. They act a certain way in public, or let me just tell you this, and I've spoken to a few guys on YouTube. They act a certain way on YouTube too, because you've got all these folks, there's an expectation of how you're supposed to be. But then when you talk to these people behind the scenes on the phone, different. Just different, not all, but there's some, many of them, most, not all, many or most of the people that I've spoken to on YouTube, that are on YouTube that you guys see, they're demeanor is different, just different. They're not as, because you can come across as bold and this and that and so forth as strong, but oftentimes face to face, you're not. You're not. And so one of the things you wanna do is give, pull them to the side and just share the gospel, talk to them. Hey, let me talk for a second. And you wanna be real. I like talking to the, me personally, I like talking to the young thugs, to the young misguided folks. Let's talk and be real. Let's just see if your theory, your worldview even makes sense. So I would probably go. I would go to Kirk Franklin. Now, aside from that point, let's just look at this particular street preacher's style as he is speaking to Kirk. Because the blood of the sinners and no one's warning people, the Bible says your prophets were false because they did not warn you of the sin that leads you to calamity. Now you didn't believe that I said Jesus is Lord at the BTW? That's not enough, sir. The Bible says. He's, and he's right. You didn't believe that I said Jesus is Lord at the BTW wars? Well, it's not enough in the, because, because when you juxtapose, it's a big word guys, when you juxtapose Jesus is Lord versus the other stuff, the lion and the lamb will bow down to the goat. Well, we got a problem. And so your message needs to be consistent. Your style, your words, all of that needs to be consistent. So no, I agree yet, that's not enough. No, it's not enough. You cannot, you cannot counteract your own words with your words because it comes across as though, hey, something's wrong with this person. This person has double-minded. The Bible says, if you, if I say to the wicked, you shall surely die and you don't warn them their blood is on your hands. You got a lot of people at the BTW awards that have, you got a lot of blood on your hands, sir. Now, let's say this, hold on, hold up, back up, wait a minute. He said, Kirk, you got blood on your hands. What do y'all think? Do y'all think that Kirk Franklin has blood on his hands? Those are harsh words. Those are harsh words. You got blood on your hands. And should Kirk, or should anyone else take that literally or, what do you think? Cairo said, being at a strip club and saying that Jesus is Lord. Interesting enough though, they, there were some guys that were saying they were going out sharing the gospel and they were going to places like strip clubs and bar and like, don't do that. And sure enough, they found themselves enjoying themselves a little too much there. And so they got in trouble with the church. But you say, you think that's a stretch? CG to say that Kirk's got blood on his hands. What do y'all, went too far? What do y'all think? Y'all think Kirk, does Kirk Franklin have blood on his hands? Not blood, but surely he's missed that. Don't go on to think he's moving, but surely miss that on, on some deliverance that could have. Yeah. Yeah. See, what we do sometimes is, and you know here, we want to make sure that we keep the, keep the context of the passages that we read. Ezekiel 28, not nice, Ezekiel 28, don't go on where, I think it's Ezekiel 18. I'm not sure. Ezekiel, God tells him that if you don't, you mister, you mister, Ezekiel, Zeke, you don't warn these people, their blood will be on your hands. Now, what if he's warning them, but he's warning them in a, just not a wise way. What if he's warning in a way that's kind of fighting against what you're warning them for? What if you're presenting, you're warning against them, you're saying Jesus is Lord, but you're not telling them that the way that they're living is going to lead them to hell. He says, I like that. Kirk is burning the candles at both ends. He kind of is. He kind of, I know what you mean. I think he kind of is. I think he kind of is, if, if you tell somebody, Jesus is Lord, but you don't tell them why that's important. Think about it. Is it really the, is it, is it really the gospel? Is it an incomplete gospel? If you say, Jesus is Lord, is it, is it almost like, what's the guy in Houston? Smiling Joe? Is it like him? Cause at Lakewood church, with Joe Lo's team, they'll say Jesus is Lord. Jesus Christ died for your sins. And God wants you to have the best thing that you could ever have in life. And he just loves you and by golly gee willikers, you're so wonderful. You are swell and you are dancing for great things. Sin, we don't talk about sin. We don't, what's the move? We don't talk about Bruno and we don't talk about sin. We don't talk about sin. Should Kirk Franklin talk about sin? Because you, Kirk Franklin, listen, Kirk Franklin, let's just keep it a hundred or as they say in the street, a hundred. Kirk Franklin has had some songs that can minister to you, that can speak to you if you're going through some things. He absolutely has. He's made all his money and sold it because there's something about what he's saying that does resonate. Tell the truth, shame the devil. There's some talent there. Without a question, there is some, listen, Kirk Franklin has some talent. Now, being talented did not mean that you're godly. So I'm not trying to sell it like that, though he's talented that that means that he is on the same team as the Lord. He may or may not be. We'll deal with that, but Kirk Franklin could, while he's ministering to hurt and what someone's gone through, he could also warn. The Bible says because of the terror of the Lord, we warn, we persuade, we need people to know why they need a savior. You have no need of a savior if you don't think that you need saving. Saving from what? Well, from hell, why am I going to hell? Well, I'm going to hell because of sin. And then all you simply have to do, but yeah, but Kirk, I keep messing up. Yeah, I just wanna be happy. What is some of Kirk Franklin's song? I just wanna be, I can't think of all of the songs, but if you tell them that if you place your faith in Christ, you can let him work in you. And so the things you show, there's a way that he can do it. Listen, he can do it with beats. He can do it with a nice hook with people singing. He can do all that stuff. Far better than the average person kids because a person is more readily willing to listen to a message with some music and a hook than they are to actually listen to a sermon. That's just, it is what it is. So I think Kirk Franklin needs to be, he said, did Kirk Franklin really proclaim Jesus at the BET Awards? To be honest with you, I have no idea. I have not seen the BET Awards and I don't know how long. Matter of fact, I've kind of boycotted, I started boycotting BET some time ago. I think BET is antithetical to black people. That's a whole nother rant. That's a whole nother rant. I'll never forget BET had a special about being, promoting positive images in the black community. I'll never forget this. You couldn't write this. Promoting positive images in the black community. And then after that special went off, they started showing some little video show and everybody was shaking their butt and this and that and what is like, wow, are you serious? So I have, boycott, now this back in, I grew up with BET. You know, I remember when BET first came out on cable. Yeah, when you had, this back in the day when you had 40 channels maybe, half of them were horrible. Most of them were horrible. So I had an affinity of BET. So I don't know what BET talks about now. I really have no idea. I don't know if Kurt Franklin mentioned anything about Jesus. We see the clips and the dancing and this and that and what's like, Kurt. First of all, you need to be flogged for some of the pants that you wear, these little tight pants and yeah. You need to be flogged for that. But that's another story. But is Kurt guilty of, yeah, I had hair then. Matter of fact, matter of fact, Alton, when that BET came out, and I had a little more in here, let's see, I had waves for a time. Another part of time I had a little bit of a tiny fro. Another time I told you guys, this was Michael Jackson in the 80s, early 80s, the curl, yeah. And some of you guys don't, some of you old enough don't lie. You had a curl too. I had one too for a few months. But it was hot during the summer and then my mama said, no, I'm not wasting curl juice on you just so your curl can get dried out. That was back then. I wanted to be Michael Jackson. Never had a perm though. Never had a perm. Had corn rolls one time. My daddy saw it. Thank God for my daddy. He said, nope, get those out of my baby's hair. My son is a boy, he ain't a girl. We not doing transgender stuff at that point in time. But Jerry curl, carefree curl, S curl, all that. Anyway, Kurt Franklin does seem to present a light gospel, a light gospel. And so maybe Kurt has decided I'm now, it could be that Kurt has just totally compromised. And so I don't have a problem with what the man is saying just yet. You got a lot of blood on your hands. That's what I'm here to tell you. You got a lot of blood on your hands. Like now, do you think that this is the right way to share with me that I'm not? Kirk says, do you think this is the right way to, now by the way, let me just, let me just give Kirk his flowers on this. Kurt Franklin is handling this in a respectable fashion. If you're gonna listen, could you imagine somebody preaching to you? Two things that are happening here that's just a person can take a lot of disrespect from this. One, you're calling me all of these different names. You're doing all this stuff. So that could be a little bit bothersome. And Kurt Franklin said there, listen, he's engaged in a guy and he's talking to him. Now the one thing that I would say to this guy that I think he's wrong on is if you're having a conversation with this person and you really care about having the conversation, put the dog on bullhorn down and stop speaking so loud in the man's face. That part, let me just say it, that's disrespectful because I can promise you if I'm talking to you and you got a bullhorn in my face, I'm not listening to you. I wouldn't care what you're talking about because first of all, it comes across as though you're trying to, it comes across as though you're trying to create a stage. You're trying to get some points. You're trying to draw an audience. But if you really have a concern for me, put the bullhorn down and talk to me. Or at least turn the volume down. You're gonna see this pop up again. Now, we are to be wise. We are to be wise in what we do now. Jesus says this, behold, I send you out of sheep in the midst of wolves. So be true or wise, this word here is wise as serpent and innocent as dove. So you don't wanna come across as antagonistic. You wanna be harmless, but you wanna be wise in everything, even in your approach. Even if Kirk is a messenger of Satan and he may very well be. But can I say this though, Kirk, listen, Kirk Franklin might be the worst ever or Kirk might appear to be the worst ever. Kirk, there's really three possibilities. I guess four, but I'm gonna deny the fourth one. The fourth one is that Kirk is saved and he's doing everything right. That's a possibility, but I don't think so. I think we could probably all agree that he probably done the right thing. But he could be saved and just be doing things the wrong way. That's a possibility. Another possibility is Kirk ain't saved, feels he's saved, and his intentions are honest, he's just doing it the wrong way, but he's still unsaved. Or Kirk is unsaved, knows he's unsaved, don't care, sold out to the enemy. One of those three I think are probably the likely. The last one, if he's sold out to the enemy, then you can really do. But the other two, if he is unsaved but thinks he is or is just honestly mistaken or what have you, just doesn't know any better, or he is saved and just off the reservation, well, what are we supposed to do? There is a passage. There's a passage that guides us when dealing with believers and not, and I would even say nonbelievers. Brethren, Galatians 6, now this is for us. This is written to the Christian. If, first of all, someone said in the chat, it's 666, that's confirmation. Well, first of all, it's not. There's 671. Thank you very much, Antichrist superstar. Wow, that is a name. Anyway, I just happened to see that. Brethren, this is speaking to us as Christian. If anyone teased a certain person, I'm sorry, any person, anthropos, if a man is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, each one looking to yourself so that you too will not be tempted, bear one mother's burden and thereby fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. But each must examine his own work and then will have a reason for boasting in regard to himself and not in regard to another one, for each one will bear his own load. Now, you might, you need to consider where you were. You need to consider how you were living. You need to consider your own lifestyle. How you were living, how bad you have, how just, right, how messed up you were. And so when you talk about someone or talk to someone, you need to have them. Now there are some people who know better, who often know better. And I think Kirk is in the category of often know better. However, what Kirk did is far better than what most people who ought to know better or who do know better. Kirk stopped and engaged the person. And his question was, do you think this is the best way of you sharing this to me? Should you, should you cut? Now, what would you guys do? If Kirk is willing to engage you, what would you guys do? That's my question. Matter of fact, let me. Let me pull this back a little bit because someone is stating that we might be going a little bit too fast. I know you guys aren't gonna like it. I know you guys are gonna like it, but I have to do it. Sorry. I have to enable slow mode. So let me ask you guys a question. That way it can help me also see the chat a little bit better. If you could, if it were up to you, what would you do? Some of our IFX says, I would engage him. I would too. Soften your heart toward him. I would too. I would ask questions. I would too. Seeing your cut or anything. I, you know what? Let me get a selfie too, Kirk. I, you know what? Can I also be honest with you? Yeah, let's take a picture, Kirk. Take a picture with Kirk. Let's go ahead and do it. Take a picture with Kirk. You're going to hell, by the way. There's a funny video I saw. A guy is literally taking a selfie with, what's his name? With smiling Joe with Joe Losti. And he just, he says you're a piece of blank and blank. That's not godly, but it was funny. But yeah, I would engage him. I would ask questions. Because maybe what if Kirk Franklin, what if Kirk Franklin repents of all this? What if he changes his not repenting heart? Or maybe he's not saved and repents, changes his heart. What if all of this Kirk just changes? What, you've never heard of Kirk Franklin? Kirk Franklin is one of the leading gospel artists in America. Matter of fact, one of the leading Christian artists in America, he just, he's at the top of the game when it comes to the Christian music industry, which says a lot about the Christian music industry. But what if Kirk Franklin, in 10 years, you see a different Kirk Franklin? He's a repentant Kirk Franklin. He's ashamed of how he's behaved, his dancing, his antics and so forth. What if that's Kirk Franklin in 10 years? And then we fast forward, we go back in time and realize that, wait a second, you had an opportunity to be a part of that and you didn't. His change is not a result of you, but really someone else. Then what? How would you feel if God worked in his heart and then he comes around, but it wasn't because of you? You had an opportunity. So I would, now nothing's gonna happen and there is a time where you do, listen, you need to be strong in a lot of cases, but when a person is listening, when a person's listening to you, then you also listen to them because we want to win them. Can I give you, can I break some news for you here? Kirk Franklin, his soul matters to the Lord. Kirk Franklin's soul matters to the Lord. Can I tell you what else? A lot of these guys in prison, these murderers, some of the sex offenders and so forth, their soul matters to the Lord. Joel Osteen, his soul matters to the Lord. T.D. Jakes, his soul matters to the Lord. Now are all of these people gonna be saved? No, no, but we should make every effort to try to get them safe. If it's up to me, I know it's not up to me or you, but make every effort, if it's up to you, you know what, if I have anything to say about it, you getting saved. Now, obviously it's not, we know better, but that's kind of the attitude, the approach. For example, let me ask you guys a question. And this is a serious question, one thing about this. If it was your son or daughter who was Kirk Franklin and you feel like they're not doing things the right way, how would you treat him? How would you do them? How would you respond to Kirk Franklin if he's your family member, your son, your brother? Would it be the same vitriol that sometimes we have towards these people? Yeah, so, but then and then now, let's make it even more personal. What about the same vitriol that's come at you when you were in the sin, when you were living a certain way, when you were behaving a certain way? So we want to have, we want to have some firmness. You guys haven't seen it, there's some people who, let me see, do I see one of them here? I'm not sure if I saw him. But if you got a chance to meet me on the streets or especially in prison, I'm gonna talk to you, firm and direct, but also with some love. I believe you matter and I believe there's a possibility for God to work in your heart and I have no idea what God intends to do with you. You might be as lost as they come. You might leave this place, leave my presence, go out and just kill a bunch of people. I don't know. But I'm gonna talk to you as though there's a moment. I told you guys this story, listen to this story. Brother named Gerwin Christie, he was a missionary. And when I say missionary, I mean a real missionary, not one of those guys who shows up at your church and takes an offering to talk about the same thing that your pastor could have talked about. No, he goes, he went all over the world sharing the gospel, trying to get people to come to Christ and also teaching churches how to grow. Now, the reason why I give this man his flowers even about teaching churches how to grow, because this method was different. This method was not a marketing campaign. No, his method was the way you get churches to grow is by teaching a church how to share the gospel, which is what they're supposed to do. And so he told a story. I may have shared this story with you before. I think it's a wonderful story. He said he was in Pittsburgh one day. I think it was Pittsburgh or outside of Pittsburgh. I think no Pittsburgh. He said he was downtown, walking the streets and he ran across a guy. Guy walks up to him, no, he walked to the guy. The guy looked disheveled, looked bothered, looked angry, all these different things. And he said, excuse me, brother, may I ask you a question? He said, what's up, man, what? He didn't want to have any time with me. He said, I won't take up too much time, but if you were to die today, where would you spend eternity? I don't know, man. And so he shared the gospel with him. He shared about sin, even about defeats and failures and so forth. And he said, all you have to do is place your faith in Christ. That moment, that man did not place faith in Christ. He said, well, I'll think about it. Brother Chris said, thank you. As long as you promise you think about it, then I'm okay. So shook his hand and walked away. Several years later, I can remember how many years a man said, Brother Chris said, he was back in that area. He was at a church. He was in the back, greetings people. So when they called him up to come and preach, he was walking from the back of the front and a man got up out of the pulpit area. You know, some of the churches have chairs or benches or whatever seats up in the pulpit, ran down and Brother Chris, Brother Chris, it's me, it's me, it's me. Like, now he meets a lot of people. So there's no way that he could recognize this guy. He says, you don't remember me? He says, no, take a good look. You don't remember me? You've got to remember me. No, I don't, no, I don't. He says, well, let me tell you something. You witnessed to me several years back, I was walking down the street in Pittsburgh. You came up and shared the gospel with me. And I can see why you probably don't remember because I did not accept Christ as he said, place his faith in Christ at that time. But let me tell you what I was gonna do. He said, I was so upset, so bothered, just lost my job and so forth. I was on my way home. I was gonna take my gun. I was gonna kill my wife and my kids and myself. And I was sitting there with the gun in my hand, sitting on the bed crying in tears, hurting. And my wife and I started talking and I think she knew what was gonna happen. And I just told her, I said, now I did meet a man and he shared with me the gospel. And she said, well, let's try that. Let's try that. And they placed their faith in Christ, him and the wife that night. So what could have been a tragedy ends up being more people added to the kingdom. You never know how God is going to use you. You just never do, or to the people, because I think this guy's gonna go home and commit a mass murder, murder, suicide, him, his wife and his kids, but just a timely word to share the gospel. So you don't get very many opportunities like that. And when you do, you never know, take advantage of it. Take advantage of the time that you had. Amen. I'm not doing what you believe is Jesus. You're not listening in the churches. The Bible says wisdom cries aloud in the open streets. How do you know I'm not listening to preachers? And how do you know that I'm not accountable? The preachers are drunk with wine of Babylon. Haven't you read to the book of Revelation? They're drunk with the wine. So you're saying that every preacher I talk to is drunk with wine. Well, if the preachers that you talk to were not drunk with wine, you know what they would tell you? What would they tell you? When you go to the BET Awards, rebuke, reprove and correct all scripture. Now, what he can't say is the preachers that he listens to, they're drunk with wine. You can't say that they're not doing their job or what have you. How do I know? If what you're doing is the right thing. Now, this was a couple of years back. So if what you're saying is the right thing and Kirk didn't change, well, what can we say about you? Are you with me? You cannot impugn someone else because that person is not following the other person's words. You can't say, well, you go to this church or you heard this pastor, you heard that. And so therefore that pastor, that church, they're no good either. You can't do that. The church is not guilty of all the people that go to that church. They're not guilty of that person's sin. Now, if your church is known by a large number of people sinning, now we got a problem. We got to work on a shepherd. The shepherd's not doing a good job of shepherding the sheep. If he's just too big, didn't have enough time and so forth, well, that's a problem. But you cannot go and we do this sometimes. Hey, this guy goes to that church. So what's wrong with that church? Man, I'd be anything wrong with that church. It might just be that person. Remember, remember, Judas, who was Judas' immediate mentor? Who was shepherding Judas? That is Jesus. Are we now going to impugn Jesus because of Judas? No. No. Remember, God is leading the children of Israel. How do they behave? So let's be careful about that. Or how about this? Let's go look at your children. Let us go look at your children. How are all of your children behaving? So my point is, while you, and I understand, you got Kirk Frank in there talking to you. And so there's a desire, you know, I want to go ahead. I want to go ahead and just give it to you. You got to be wise with how you do that. Now, again, I like what he's trying to get across to Kirk. I really do. But some of the things, again, the tone and so forth, that can be a problem again and again. As they say for the love of Pete, put the dog on bullhorn down. Scripture is useful. And I'm supposed to do that at an award show. Oh, yes, the Bible says if you don't reward them, their blood is on your hands. Now, the man is right. He's saying, Kirk, Kirk's like, and I'm supposed to do that at an award. So yeah, that's your opportunity. Otherwise, Kirk, why did you go? If you went there to just accept the award and hobnob and beat with him, now we've got a problem. Now we've got a person who is hanging out with the unclean, who is reeling in it, who wants to be a part of the world. Remember, you cannot be friends with the world. You cannot do that. Now, you can call out. You can go to them and call them out. What did, what did, where is it? Here it is. Paul makes a statement in 1 Corinthians 919. He says, for though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all so that I might win more. To the Jews, I became a Jew, so that I might win the Jews. Well, now I become all things to all that I might win them. That doesn't mean that you also partake in them. In other words, you don't, if you're talking to a Jew, you know how you're gonna speak to them? Concerning Jewish things. But that doesn't mean that you have to yourself become a Jew. It doesn't mean that if you're talking to a drug addict that you all of a sudden, you know what, let me go ahead and shoot up with you so I can sympathize with you. So I can feel where you're coming from. No, that is not what we're gonna do. It's not, we're not gonna do that. But I can speak to you as best I can in a way that you can understand without, without compromise. That's the key, without compromise. And so yeah, Kurt, you got three minutes of all the people. They'll listen to you for three minutes. Matter of fact, Kurt, if you went over three minutes, if you went four minutes, or how about this, Kurt, when you're up performing, make your songs center around Jesus so that your songs are not centered around you dancing and gyrating and then you bringing up worldly rappers to sing with you. That might be the better route. So no, Kurt, you're wrong. The guy with the bullhorn in your face, he's right. In three minutes, if I had three minutes in front of the world, I would tell them that wrath is coming, they better repent. That's what I would tell them. Okay, so. Because what you did is just say to them, keep on singing the lullaby, everybody. See you later, go to hell. That's what it was. Maybe. And I agree with that. That's exactly what Kurt did. That's exactly what Kurt did. So I agree with that. That part, I do have to, the man is right. That's what it was. You didn't watch the same show. Maybe you didn't watch the same show. No, no, I watched it. I want to let nobody but you with your nice little Michael Jackson moves. Sir, sir, you need a. They are, they really are Michael Jackson moves. They really are. Kurt is the same age as me. He might be a year older. So we grew up watching Michael Jackson and a lot of us wanted to grow up and be Michael Jackson. So I can understand you, you, you on stage and you kind of, you know, any of you all ever been in a band or a choir or any sort of performance. And then once the lights come on you and you get an opportunity to do something, you kind of want to, you know, let it, let it hang out, right? If I am, I used to play the drums. And so I would like to, you know what? Can y'all give me a little spot right here? Let me, let me see if I can get a little, a little run in here. Let me get a, let me get a nice little feel right here so I can kind of show off my chops. That's, no, that's not what we're here. Now I know Kurt is the star. And so maybe he does like people have come to, to see him dance. But there's somebody else watching Kurt. That's Lord. To repent. Those moves will send people to hell, sir. My dance moves will send people to hell. Not your dance moves, but because you're not doing the right thing with your lips. You honor God with your lips but your heart is for fun, sir. If you love Jesus, you would hate what is evil. The Bible says love must be sincere. Yeah, see that, that, that ring put that dog on bullhorn down. Let the man know that you are sincerely interested in talking to him and that it's not for cameras or for the, just do that. Now you're right in what you're saying. You are so right in what you're saying. Say he can't, he can't dance. Well, you can't tell Kurt that. Kurt believes he can dance. Kurt, listen, Kurt knows for a fact he's the best dancer ever. And he's gonna, you know what he's gonna do? You might disagree. He's gonna take every opportunity he can to prove you're wrong. He is gonna, that's what he wants to do. So, let's go back to it. See, you're hating what is evil and clinging to what is good. Well, I tell you what. You know how many kids are getting shot up in the streets because of what's at the BET Awards and what's being promoted there? They're being shot because of the BET Awards? No, because of the people that are being promoted at the BET Awards. People are being shot in the streets because of the BET Awards. Yeah, you see these people talking about, I took nine bullets and I did this and look at how cool I am. I got all the honeys and I got all the, that's what's creating. All the greed in the streets. Why don't you and I do this? Why don't you? Now, how Kurt Franklin doesn't get that? It's like he was dumbfounded and shocked at that for a minute. Yeah, Kurt, listen to some of this stuff. Promote the idea in their mind that this is cool. This is, all right, this is, you don't know whatever the word, whatever the word of the week is, whatever the word of the month, whatever the new hip words and the new words that are in style. No one get, there's no email chain list saying, hey, this is the word of the day. This is the word. We're using this word. We're using that word. All right, no, we're not using that word anymore. That word is all we're using this word. No, you get that from this kind of stuff, from music. You see this kind of stuff and it gets promoted. The worst of the worst gets promoted before the people. So Kurt, you have to know. You mean tell me when you listen to, Kurt, if you listen to this music and you don't get that what they're doing is one, the antithesis of the Bible. Matter of fact, even non-Christians up whore was being sung about in some of these, and it's not even rapping anymore. That's the sad part. It's not even rapping anymore. It's just regular old scene. Everybody wants that there's a race to the bottom when it comes to music. There's a race to the bottom with the best beat. And you can't see that. Yeah, so come on, Kurt, that part you can't play down. You can't plead the fifth on that. You can't play even on that part, Kurt. Do this, when the concert is over, why don't you and I sit down and open up the word of God and break bread? Sure. I can't, I won't break bread. I'm sure, I'm sure you'll repent, sir. Well, no, no, I'm saying let's open up the word of God. But I can talk to you, I'm okay with that. Yeah, let's open up the word of God together and let's break the word, like the word is just iron, sharp, and siren. Okay. And let's open up the text. Okay. Fair? I can agree with that, but I'm not gonna shake your hand, sir. This is where, okay, you're not gonna shake his hand. And I want you all to listen to his rationale. And at this part, I like what the guy was saying. I feel as hard with passion, but at this part, yeah, no. Second John, no, you're a Bible. Second John, people, the Bible says whoever doesn't preach the same gospel do not even wish them God's speed. Okay, so now, sometimes when you get in such of a hurry or such of a desired, I wanna call these folks out, I'll take a passage to mean that I can't even deal with them, because I can promise you this, I can promise you this, without, I don't know this guy, don't know this fellow at all. But I can promise you he's shaking hands with other people that are non-Christians. I can almost guarantee that he has shook hands, give a fist pound or whatever, to people who are not believers, and he knew they weren't Christians. So let's go to this passage in, what do you say? Second John. In Second John, let's read this. Let's start in, where do we wanna start at? Let's start in verse seven, verse seven. For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. That is a deceiver and the anti-Christ. Watch yourselves that you do not lose what you have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward. Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching, now this is important, who does not abide in the teaching of Christ does not have God. The one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring in this word, Ferre, this is holding, this is actually putting forth this word, this teaching, do not receive him into your house and do not give him a greeting. Now, this is not speaking about just your regular old Joe Blow, this is someone that is intentionally trying to preach a gospel that goes against. Now is that what, I don't think that Kurt fits that category, for the one who gives, now look what it says, for the one who gives him a greeting, participates in his evil deeds. No, this is a person who wants to take part in what this person is doing. No, you're inviting this person, you're having a conversation with this person to talk about this, so shaking his hand is not an issue. I'm preaching, a lot of times you buy a car, you buy a house, you buy this, and you shake hands. That, no, you're not transferring spirits, you're not, you're just shaking hands. What you're doing is not against the word of God. This is not what that, what Second John is explaining and speaking about is not what's happened with Kurt. So I think you ought to know again, I think Kurt is handling it, I think Kurt is handling it well. Now he's not taking, he's not gonna take this, he's not gonna change his life because of this, but who knows, at this point in time, maybe there was a possibility, I don't know. And so I wouldn't have said that with him, because again, if Kurt, think about this. Now I want you guys to think about this, Kurt Franklin has a lot of money, has a lot of followers, doesn't have a lot of time and do all the things that he would like to do properly. I mean, he's a man that's in demand. He is a bona fide star, which you probably shouldn't be if you are singing the gospel, but he's a bona fide star. And so if the man says, you know what? Yeah, let's you and I have a conversation. Let's you and I have a conversation. This is Corey shaking hands means you are in agreement with someone, hold on. Is that preacher wrong for not shaking the man's hand? Well, he'd be hypocritical if he's shaking other people's hand. If he's shaking people who he knows aren't Christian, so if he buys a car and shakes hands with a dealer. Okay, like I said, it'd be hard to imagine him never shaking anyone else's hands who's not a Christian and he knows that they weren't a Christian. That's the only issue. Now, the fact that Kurt Franklin is willing to have this conversation with you because he didn't have to give you the time of day. What you don't wanna do is you don't wanna miss out on an opportunity. You don't wanna be the reason why God didn't glorify it. So I would say this. I would say this. If a person, no, you're not taking in his God, you're not, let me ask you guys a question. Have you ever shaken hands or said something nice or dapped up or whatever, you know, this, but what have you? Whatever to someone who is of an opposite faith, you ever shaken hands with a Muslim? Have you ever greeted a person who you know is not, the likelihood is yes. And in doing so, did you violate Second John? Seven through 10 or 11? No, you did not. No, you did not. But that being the case, remember, take advantage of the opportunity that you have to win this person again. I'm not saying you don't compromise because for the most part, everything the guy has said, I agree with him. I agree with the rebuke of Kirk Franklin. I agree with all that stuff. I agree with the message. I agree with all of that stuff. I think Kirk is in serious error. And I think he's for the people who, for the people who might like his song, who he has their attention and he doesn't do anything with it, I think that God is gonna hold him accountable for it. I think he's gonna hold him accountable for it because what did you do with the opportunity that you had? Well, you said you were Christian, but what are you promoting? It's, you're promoting a Christian light. You're promoting a half a gospel, which is no gospel. And so again, I agree with this brother, but when you have the opportunity to win a brother or win a non-brother, a non-believer, you take that opportunity. Otherwise I'm a partaker in your evil deeds, sir. What you did at the BET Awards was nothing but a sham before God. Now I'll sit down and talk with you, but I can't agree with you, sir, because I ain't. Again, you're not agreeing with him. You're literally not agreeing. Matter of fact, you're talking to him because you don't agree with him. And this is what can happen sometimes. Guys, I've seen it over and over again where you're in, because what happens is, it's almost like whenever you ever walk down a hill, you're walking down a hill, you cannot speed up. If you speed up, if you're walking down a hill in one mile an hour and you speed up to two miles an hour, you can't, you know how hard it is to go back from two miles an hour to one mile an hour? You pick up speed, next thing you know, you're galloping down the hill and you can't stop. The only thing that's gonna stop you is a tree or the bottom of that hill. So you get this momentum going and you get emboldened. And then what happens, in this case, you got all these people walking around you looking and listening, and then it becomes a spectacle. And what you won't do is you won't retreat from your stance. You won't soften your stance and that becomes a problem. Right? So, it's just my take. I agree with you, I'm saying you are in Christ and I don't believe that's the truth. Shaking my hand is a grin, shaking my hand. Yeah, the Bible says don't even wish them Godspeed. Okay. I'm just obeying scriptures, sir. I'm not trying to be disrespectful. No, no, no, no, no. You understand? Well, coming to the concert, yelling that I'm going to hell. Well, guess what? You wouldn't let me come up into the concert and say, hey, Kirk, how you doing? I wanna talk to you about something, man, you know? What am I doing right now? Trust me, man, I've been to many places with many, many high ups. They don't, they don't come out. Have you ever met me? Have you ever met me? I met you now. Okay. And I'm telling you what the Bible says. So after the concert, let's sit down and open the door to God. I'm fine. Okay. And I follow Ed, he said, let's, you can call me all these different things, whatever you got, the bullhorn in my face and so forth, you let it ring in my ear. But even still, after concert, let's sit down. Let's talk. Again, Kirk is doing things the wrong way, but he's handling this, I think, in a pretty good way. We'll do it. Let's do it. Okay. All right. Still gotta repent. The Bible says that friendship with the world is- Now that part right there, his buddy to the side, still gotta repent. Most people would have walked away and said, you know what? I'm not, no, I'm not, no, forget them. Forget them. I'm literally trying to meet you. Maybe there's something tugging at my heart. And there's something that we tell people in sales. Because in sales, you can talk someone into a sale and then talk them right back out of it. They've agreed and then you wanna give some more points. And now you're just frustrated. You know what? All right. All right. Would you say Kirk Franklin? Hold on. My favorite Kirk Franklin songs, you know what? Anybody play the drums? There is a baseline from the bass drum on that song that is hard to hear. It's off time. I told myself, I'm gonna learn how to play that. It took me years to get this little thing down. It's just hard. But again, I just saw that comment and made me think about that. If you have the opportunity to get this person, if the Lord is tugging at his heart, don't you turn around and cut the string that the Lord is using to tug at his heart. Don't, don't, don't, don't. Cameras should have been a drummer for 25 years. Can you play that bass line on that, Hosanna? It's a hard one. It's a hard one and it's off timing. It's not off time, I should say that, but it's just a weird timing as you're going through. It's just weird. So, drummers of the world unite. So, go listen to a camera. But there's a lot that I saw right with them. There's some things, sometimes it's got to be the approach. And why this is important is because it's never the same. When you're talking to somebody, it's never the same, it's never the same approach. You cannot have a one size fits all approach when it comes to giving the gospel. Because again, that's not how you were saying. Somebody, this person heard this message, you heard the same message, he placed his faith in Christ, you didn't. Well, what happened? Same message, well, God might be working in you differently or it might be the person that never comes to Christ. But you want to remember, you want to act as though this, let me give you one piece of advice when it comes to sharing the gospel. This is the one piece of advice that I would give you when we'll be the first annual smart Christian conference. And never. But let me give you guys one piece of advice when sharing the gospel. I would, listen, this part that I'm gonna tell you is so important. I would say, write this down. And I really do mean, right? I'm not saying write this down, just, no, really. Write this down. This one piece of advice when it comes to sharing the gospel. This one piece of advice, I promise you, will benefit you but more importantly will benefit the person that you're speaking to. I don't care even how you share the gospel. If you're the kind of person that wants to get up on the street corner and share the gospel, if you're the kind of person that goes one-on-one, if you want to share with a co-worker, if I remember, there's one piece of advice that you need. Corey, shut up in here and give it to us. Shut up and tell it to us. There's one piece, I'm trying to build this thing out. There's one piece of advice and this is the most important thing. When you share the gospel, act as if the person is getting ready to accept Christ and it's up to you. You are the last line. God is getting ready to use you to share the gospel. And I'm sorry, getting ready to use you and that person's gonna place their faith in Christ. Look at it that way. Assume that person is getting ready to accept Christ. Now, don't get offended when they don't do it in front of your face but that's gotta be the approach. The approach has to be that this person is this close, is getting ready to share Christ. They're this close. Your co-worker is this close to placing their faith in Christ. This person is strange, what you just met is this close. They've been going through some things, they've been struggling inwardly, on the outside they have not been, they look fine but on the inside everything's a mess. The big crowd, there's somebody there, this close getting ready to place their faith in Christ. Now, if you think about that, think about it that way, now what's your approach like? Now it's gonna vary from person to person. It's gonna vary from person to person, situation to situation but that's the idea, that's the mentality, that's the mindset, that's the heart that you have to have. That somebody that you're speaking to is this close because literally that's what it is. There are, how many people have you walked by that was just ready for one person because they were this close? Unless we believe that Jesus is a liar, he's not a liar. Unless we believe that Jesus is a liar, what did he say? Jesus said, the harvest is plentiful. But you all can finish this for me. You tell me, Jesus says the harvest is plentiful meaning that there's a lot of ripen, there's a lot of ripe fruit out there. The harvest is plentiful, but what the laborers or the workers are few? So what does he say? Pray ye therefore that the Lord sends laborers. Who are the laborers? You, me, all of us, everybody. The laborers are few. So pray now, if you pray, Lord, please send laborers to reap this harvest. Well, if that's not you, then it's a goofy prayer, isn't it? That's the point of Jesus' message. You pray that the Lord will send harvest, I mean laborers, but aren't you a laborer? Yeah. Now, the problem with laborers, can I show you something that's actually kind of interesting? Let me type this in. This is interesting when you think about laborers. And think about the laborers shortage. Y'all know there, every now and then we're gonna have a labor strike or shortage of laborers. This is, the workers are lazy, that's true too. This is the problem. What happens when there's a shortage of laborers? And I mean true, blue, honest to goodness, bloodbought, sanctified, holy ghost filled laborers. Well, what's God gonna do? What's God gonna allow to happen? Well, let's go to Matthew seven and let's look and see what happens. Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven. But he who does the will of my father was in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, Lord, did we not prophesy your name and cast out your name and done many perform many miracles in your name? And what does the Lord say? I never knew you. Huh, you mean tell me the Lord will actually use non-Christians to do the work? Yeah, he will. He will actually use non-Christians to do the work. Why? Because regular Christians just had, like she said, too busy, lazy. Now, the interesting thing about this whole meeting, the two actually met. They met. Now, what was the result? Nothing, because this was a year or so ago. Nothing happened for two years ago, I think. Maybe I'm not sure how long ago this was. Again, it's making its way around the internet and YouTube and so forth. And that just happens to be like, oh, that's pretty cool. So nothing happened. Now, I don't know because I didn't hear the whole approach or whatever, but maybe, maybe it could be the approach. You mean I'm Tony? Now, I'll never forget this. I was there in the service when Tony Evans was talking about when Kirk Franklin first came to the church. Now, and can we just be honest? Kirk Franklin is not at the church every Sunday. Kirk Franklin is, I'm not impugning Kirk. And Kirk goes and visits a lot of different churches. So, he's not your regular church member, if any. But, I'll never forget, and this was 2006 or seven. He's telling a story about Kirk. Kirk pulls up to the church and he expects the people in the parking lot to actually, you know, him to park his car up at the front and them to go and put his car back and like, well, we don't do that here. Yeah, but you know, basically, you know who I am. I'm Kirk Franklin and I'm like, okay, well, and yeah, what? There are other people there that have just as much money, if not more money than Kirk Franklin, go to that church. And Kirk did tell the story like, yeah, I thought I was at the base. They quickly put me in my place. Y'all know who I am. And so, at the time, I could say at the time now some folks may have an issue with some things that may have been said later, but he was getting at least solid teaching. I don't know what was happening behind the scene, but if a person is bound and determined to live their life the way they want to, then what are you gonna do? All you can do is all you can do. Jesus could do more, but he didn't do more when it came to Judas. And are we gonna impugn Judas? I mean, Jesus, for how Judas behave? Are we gonna impugn God for the way the children of Israel behave? No, you can be the best of situations and still mess it up. Ask Adam and Eve. It's not a knock against God. So, I think what we ought to do, if you got the opportunity to share the gospel with somebody, with some superstar, what would you do? You were told your approach is too uptight. Well, listen, now there are gonna be times where you're uptightness or being too straightforward or being this sometimes it works. I think we have to understand that it's different. Paul employed, what am I talking about Paul? Paul employed different tactics as well. I share the gospel from the mindset of have you no wish for others to be saved? Then you're not saved yourself. You can be sure of that. Charles, hey man, that's Charles Spurgeon. The goal is to bring people in. And I still like that. I still like what Penn Gillette said. I even use a little video of him saying to the people, if you believe that your gospel is true and you don't share the gospel, he said, what did he say? How much do you have to hate a person to not tell them? Not to proselytize them. How much do you have to hate a person not to share the gospel as far as we're concerned? If you know that what's happening is true and as you use the example, there's a truck coming and you don't wanna tell a person because you don't wanna offend them, what have you. How much do you have to hate a person or disregard a person? And this is your job. You're a firefighter. Go put the fire out. Yeah, I don't feel like it. What should be the result? What should be your punishment? Well, Jesus says you're good for nothing to be thrown out and trampled on the foot. So maybe you gotta go. Maybe your time here on earth has passed. Maybe your usefulness has ran its course. Not saying it has. But my Lord, somebody should see your light shine. At some point, now, again, it doesn't have to be you on the street every day. If you share the gospel once a year, okay, fine. Share the gospel to somebody. Even if you gotta write a little letter, listen, the Lord loves you. Let me pray for you. That's good. You see someone going through something? Can I just pray for you? I need that. You mean tell me you don't pass anybody throughout the course of your life, throughout the course of the day, the course of the week that you know needs prayer? Just ask me, would you mind if I prayed for you? It's non-invasive. Maybe you can pray actually with them. People say, can you pray for me? No, I'm not praying. I'm not praying for you. Nope. I'm never gonna pray for you. Well, I shouldn't say that. I'm not gonna pray for you. Nope. Do not ask me to pray for you. Instead, I'll pray with you. People like that. People like it when you pray with them. Cause you leave me, I'll pray for you and that's that. No, but did you pray with me? Anything gotta be long to be? 30 seconds. A minute, two minutes. It gotta be special. Oh, Father, thou art a wonderful vine all the way. No, just Lord, would you please? I don't know what the issue is. Would you just speak to this person's life? Would you give me the strength to say what I need to say? Would you touch their heart? Whatever, whatever. But there's too much going on for us not to be involved. That's the point. And like I said before, Kirk Franklin matters to God. His soul matters. Just like Stevie, his soul matters. Sheila, you matter to God. Tyrone matters to God. I don't know if y'all knew that or not. Lisa matters to God. Dutch matters to God. Cameron, you matter to God. Cephas, silver died. The Potters Clay, you matter. Layla, you matter to God. You matter to God. Adrienne, you matter to God. I don't know if you guys know that or not. I don't know if anyone's told you. Jenae, have they told you lately that you matter to God. Miss Ashley, both Ashley's, you matter to God. There's a concern, there's a burning desire for you about you in God's heart. Spider monkey, be grand. The Lord loves you. Devon, the Lord really truly loves you. Altam, God has a love and abiding love for you. Did you know you matter? Ken Griff, the Lord loves you with a, he's even willing to die for you. Did you know that jail? Loves you that much, Jermaine. God loves you so much so that he carried this big old gigantic, heavy cross up a hill. After being beaten like no one's ever been beaten, loved you that much, TT, to do that. So much so that he can even think about you, had your face in mind, had your name in mind, had your life in mind, as the nails are being driven into his hand. Each beating that he took, each, each whip, each striking of that whip, the pain, the tearing away of flesh, that was nothing to him. Bring it on, bring it on. For CG, bring some more. For monkey moves, bring it more. For Patricia, give it, is that all you got? Yeah, I can take a whole lot more than that. Non-con, you can't beat the love that I got for him out of me, sorry. And so you remember that even when you talking to or about a Kirk Franklin. Yeah, they might be going to hell, but it won't be for my lack of trying to save a person. So I have to season what I'm saying with love, but at the same time, I do want to, I do want to, I have to rebuke sometimes. Paul says that we have to preach the word, he says, reprove, so prove a person wrong, if need be, rebuke that person, exhort that person, how often? With great patience and instruction. Why? Because that's exactly how God did you. God did the exact, the exact, so here's the thing. Could you imagine someone preaching to you when you weren't saved the way you're preaching to other people? That's the problem. Now you labor with someone until you see that they're not gonna, because all you can do is all you can do. There's some people you have to say, you know what, all right, fine. I've done my best. I did my best, but I guess my best wasn't good enough. James Ingram, I did what I could. And so now listen, because Paul did say one plants another water, but it's ultimately, it's gonna be God that gives the increase if there's gonna be any increase given. I can't regenerate a person's heart, you can't, but I can be used, I can be used. So, no, listen, I don't think, well, I can't say, I can't say, I was gonna say no, I don't think that he's gay, but I can't, I have no idea what he is or what he didn't. I know he could be used a little bit better than he could be a better witness than what he is. And so, yeah, there's some things that I probably would have said differently. Praise God for this young man being there to preach the gospel before Kirk. Praise God and praise God that he didn't back down. And maybe some other folks heard that. I thank God for that. So, but it's just interesting just to see that. They did have, I mean, I saw the meeting, nothing really came about. He literally did sit down with the man and so I don't know what this room was, but he sat down with the man, had a security team, couple of big brothers right there beside him just in case anything jumped off. Big 400 pound, 350 pound dudes beside him. So, but you know what? When you're sharing the gospel, Kirk, those other guys could be hearing as well. Those other guys could be doing it as well. Now, I don't want you to think that the man did wrong. No, I'm not saying the man did wrong. No, I think the man did well. I think the man did well. He wasn't perfect, but then again, who is? None of us would do it perfectly. So stepping back in hindsight, I think that again, what you do when you share the gospel is to don't, do not forget the most important ingredient when it comes to sharing the gospel. Love, share that person some love. It's the love of God that compels us. The love, now it's the terror of the Lord and the love. Both of those compel us to share the gospel. Amen. So, I wanted to get an idea of what you guys think. I'm pretty sure there gonna be even more comments. Once this is all over, you said the word will never go out of the way. No, no. Although, although I'll say this, I have seen some people share the gospel. What they said was the gospel was inside that, but they shared it in such a way that's like, wow. And you all have seen that. You all have seen somebody almost, I'm not saying they did, but almost cuss a person out when giving the gospel. Styles Brown, send me an email. I mean, send me, well, send me an email or a comment, and I can cover that, no problem. That'll be a good one, as a matter of fact. So, all right guys, thank you so much. I just, I wanted to, I wanted to curve in. I thought that was really, really interesting. His approach, praise, again, praise God for that brother. He's out there on the front lines. I pray that the Lord is touching him, using him to bring more people to him. And who knows, maybe some point in time, Hurt might see, revisit this video, or the video that he had with him, the meeting they had with him, and then turn around and say, you know what? I might. I might need to change some things. Sometimes it might be, something might happen to happen in his life, and he's like, you know what, I need to fix this. I need to fix this. I need to change my approach. How about them cowboys? You knew one of them were gonna show up. You knew one of them, and that's what they always do. Every year they win one game, and it's, yeah, we're going to Super Bowl. Again, I always say, wait till the winter comes. All right, guys, I love you so much, and I will see you all tomorrow. Be blessed.