 Ladies and gentlemen, Salomaiq here at Untamed Strength with Dr. J. Ciropractor? Yes. I guess you're in the powerlifting world, cool, trained with the one and only. Dan Green? Yes. I don't, because he's not going to listen to this, so it's okay, but if he does it'll go straight to his hair. You're in that area. You're in the bossa barbell world. Yes. You were recently up in Canada, although you're from there, with Mr. Omar Isoff. Sadly. Yeah. I apologize. I guess basics. What's a chiropractor do and maybe believe, and then what's a physical therapist do and believe? Because I feel like a lot of times, and even myself, people come to me with injury issues and I'm like, my, this hurts. I said, well, you should probably just go to a doctor and I say a chirophysical, and I just kind of throw that out there because they're somewhere in the region. Maybe just generally state what they believe and then maybe what you believe. Okay. I mean, it's like I think this is good and bad. I think on the spectrum for athletics, honestly, I think, you know, it's not maybe blend more the physical therapy side. And that's kind of how I practice. Overlapped. It's like a Venn diagram. There's overlapping scopes of practice. So by and large, a chiropractor and a physical therapist are legally allowed to do the same thing. Okay. Know what they choose to do, depending on their influence or their motivation, whether it's money, whether it's their philosophy, what actual philosophy is going to be, it's going to dictate kind of how they operate on a day to day, right? Like spending the time going through like physical therapy exercises takes that just time. Time is money and you want to make more of it than you're going to have to see a lot more people. So like the average chiropractor by and large is more like, rack, crack, how are the kids as a wife? Yeah. Send you on your way. But that being said, there are a lot of chiropractors that work in the athletics spectrum realm. Yeah. Um, I mean, it all depends. And just the same thing on the other side of that, it's like physical therapists maybe lend themselves further right of the spectrum towards like conventional medicine. Like your MDs will work one on one with the physical therapist, but they get dogmatic in how they kind of implement their stimulus, right? So in the powerlifting world, it's really kind of, it's hard because either end of either, either end of either spectrum is going to be ineffective, right? Like, oh, my back hurts. Crack, crack, crack. See you later. Yeah. Not going to do anything. Oh, my back hurts. Well, here we're going to do these geriatric banded exercise. Yeah. Probably not going to work either. So, um, yeah, physical therapy more like usually rehabilitation movement based chiropractic, I guess active or passive might be the easiest way to like differentiate. Even just go like stereotypical, if you want, not, you know, because we don't want to group everybody, but chiropros often deal with spine and they think everything roots back to the spine, which obviously physically it does. But when we're talking movement, tissue, whatever, they think, they think bone spine structure, physical therapist thinks soft tissue movement. Sure. Kind of. And then like you said, the good ones are down the middle. And yeah, you're seeing an overlap where physical therapists will adjust and chiropractors will do soft tissue and then there's a happy medium. But I think at either end of the spectrum, there's a population that will benefit from pollers. But I think in this, in the power of the world, the lifting world, finding someone that that can assess what you need and then kind of implement accordingly is probably the way to go. Yeah. And that's why, you know, I've had a lot of people reach out do videos or lend me advice on backs and things like that. You guys know my backs a little tweaked up. I've talked a lot. Also, we can go in a rant later about being injured and being hurt. Yeah. My back hurts. I'm not injured. I don't need surgery. I don't need an MRI. But I decided to work hang out with you today. One, because my buddy Omar, who I trust, put good words in. Sterling recommendation. Two, you do what I do. You work with people of my nature. I've been powerlifting, you know, eight years, playing basketball, 15 years before that, wear and tear is a little different than, yeah, like you said, like, oh, you know, you're sitting at your desk wrong. Let me crack your back and on your way, honey, where my shit is just beat up and messed up. The other thing too is I think from talking to you a little bit in text and hearing from Omar, you like to stay up to date on things. Yeah, I like to people. I like people that, you know, science-based or whatever you want to call it. That you do read the research, but you practice, you know, talk the talk, walk the walk, kind of read the reeds. So you kind of see all scopes and then make your own judgment like that. Read the reeds. So we're going to play recovery mythbusters. Oh, goodness. So I'm going to throw some things out and you can lie the guy with the mustache. So I have things that are like recovery or like popular. Shout out to somebody totally left field. This guy, Jason Phillips, a nutritionist that I recently watched a video and he kind of like did this with nutrition. People were just throwing stuff at him and he was just fucking karate chopping it. And I like that. So I thought we'd do that here. Small sentence, if you want, you could just say, no, that sucks. Or you could go into it. Yeah, you know, like the my tag line is long answers to short questions. So then this might be a series. If you guys dig it, thumbs up, subscribe. His info is in the description. Let's go first. We'll just start out foam rolling. Yeah, maybe maybe foam rollers, myofascial release thoughts. Yes. No, it works. It sucks. I feel like a lot of my answers are going to be that depends. I think that depends. I think the biggest thing it depends on is the mechanism of correction. Okay. If you think you're breaking up tissue, that has gone the way of the Dodo bird, like that's antiquated. Why is that? So, no, I 100% agree and know that's true. But why is it that people won't accept that? Like, no, no, no, no, you got to rub out the fascia. I'm like, if you rub out the fascia, like you bump your knee and then your shin would be. Or if you put a bar on your back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have an indent. And like, yeah, you get a callus, but it's not like an indent. No, I think so. There's like a really good quote from Neil deGrasse Tyson about the universe. It's like the universe is of no obligation to make sense to you. True. So, and I think your human body is the exact same way. It doesn't have to make sense to you. And I think that's kind of where the misnomer came from is that physical therapists, whether they believe it or not, or kind of practice, whatever, they just needed a way to get buy-in. And the best way to get buy-in, I'm sure, is, you know, with clients. They just get them more of a cue, you think, get them to understand it or believe in it, so that they'll do it. So, I mean, I think there is maybe more of a neurological and I don't think myofascial is a good word, even though myo has is more muscle fascia. So it's like, it's a little more structure based in the way it's worded. I like maybe like neuromuscular or something like that. I like that. Applying more of like correction to the nervous system. But again, it's like, you don't pay a plumber to bang on the pipes. You pay him to know which pipes to bang on. So it's like how you use the phone. These are Canadian terms. I could tell that no one in California. Yeah, it's big. It's because our pipes freeze. Yeah, I don't even know what to fuck that meant. But yeah, so for me, it's like phone wall or it's, it's, I mean, it's, it's how you apply it. Yeah. And again, that comes down to frequency, intensity, duration, location. So it's, it is useful. Is it as useful as the bash and mash type will make you think? No. It's a misinterpreted misinterpreted. Yeah, I think something to go along with that is you're right. Like maybe physical therapists are the edumacated. Yes. Just use it. Yeah, the reader, the translator or use it as a cue to get people to do it. Sure. But then personal trainers take it like, oh, yeah. No, no, no. I've, I've read this one physical therapist forever. He said we're rubbing out some fashion. Yeah. Come here little Timmy. We've got to rub out fashion. And then I mean, Timmy's 18. Run Timmy's 18, Timmy's 18, side this waiver, will you? Yeah. So then the telephone game happens and then the personal trainers, the idiot that's passing on, which happened in the bodybuilding world and the nutrition world happens. It's the few that make the most noise. There's always the case. Bastards. So I guess then what you're saying, I'm going to put this in the dumb terms. I have a knot. Yes. And so instead of rubbing a foam roller on it and kneading it like dough, yes, what I'm doing is putting pressure on it and letting my brain know like, hey, this is an exploding chill out, maybe. Yeah. I mean, muscle relaxation kind of works like a lock with a lot of different keys. Like you get, you could do like biochemical. I give you a value and you don't feel shit, right? Hey, you are not one of those. Oh, you can't write a volume. Dude, do you think we'd be standing right now? No, but we just a child party. So I mean, biochemical heat, heat to do it, right? Or like maybe some like a vascular component or something like that. Acupuncture is shown. Electric or some shit. Yeah, exactly. So I think there's understanding what key that you're going to use to turn the lock. So there's different and there's different just within the realm of of like stretch reflexes, right? Like deep pressure stimulus will elicit a response, heatolose response, but, you know, and range of motion. Like that's what static stretching is, right? Like Golgi tendon organs, muscle spindles, things like that. So it has its purpose, along with like lacrosse balls and other or much you want to spend your money on. More application issues than. Yeah, then the user error. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another one, which you sent me a picture of saying kind of that you didn't like it, that I randomly put on Instagram just messing around. I saw it. Yeah, inversion tables or or distraction. Yeah, I guess technically you're trying to distract the spine or decompress the spine by hanging upside hanging upside down. Self made sex swing in the gym by a large band. Yeah, there's the boots over there. Actually, we're going to shoot an intro. Should we shoot the intro? We'll shoot. We're going to shoot the intro of me. I'm going to be hanging upside down or something. I'm going to look at something. I'm going to look disappointed. Yeah, yeah, that could be a good. Lumbar distraction. Yeah. OK. So hanging upside down because of gravity, my spine is crushed itself. So I'm going to hang upside down so my spine doesn't crush itself anymore. Again, the body is of no obligation to make sense to you. So I think just like the breaking up tissue, it gives like it gives people mental clarity that, oh, I get it now. Yeah. The way we compress our spine with weight on our back when we squat will decompress and then things will be good. Right? Yeah, it's I mean, people like dualistic and kind of live in a dualistic universe, right? Up has down left, right, black as white as cold. But with the compression of the lower back is not meant to move, right? It's built in a way where hips are mobile, low back stays stable, right? Core stabilization. So of that stability of the lower back, of the lumbar spine, we need to look at structure and function, right? Where muscles play a role in the functional stability of the lower back. And you're not kicking a soccer ball with your fucking pelvis. Incredible if you could do that. But so muscles play a role in function and then you have annulus fibrosis. So your your lumbar discs basically break up into two subsections of your annulus fibrosis and your nucleus propulsus. That's like the fluidity stuff that ends up our cushions cushions. Yeah. Then you have ligaments. There's massive network of ligaments between the bones that connect like the pelvis into the into the lower back joint capsules, like little facet joints that keep vertebra aligned with adjacent vertebra in the lower back. Now, there is going to be that stretch reflex on the muscles that feel tight. That's what you're feeling. These muscles are of an interesting nature because they're not neurologically wired like the rest of our muscles are. They're reactive to their position, but we can't contract. Like when guys get low back pumps, yeah, they couldn't really do an exercise. You can't flex like your bike. Exactly. It's not under conscious control. It's all relative position, kind of an internal safety mechanism. So one bone doesn't move too far to the other in the midst of these bones is a spinal cord that's kind of important. Is this so as and QL and all weird things like that? What these muscles? You're talking. No, these are like transversal spinals. Multifidus is the common one. You'll hear rotatories, inner transversal. Throw more of these out because in three months, I'm going to get more messages that they're munteller or serri eyes. Yeah, no. So they're just like their muscles that basically control relative position of the vertebra and all three planes of movement. OK, OK. So if they're tight, they're tight because some they're reacting and having to move or resist movement in an eccentric load. So, yeah, the people are right if it feels and that's kind of the hard wire thought process, something feels tight. I'm going to stretch it, right? So if you're a pound on it or a pound on it, right? So the band of distraction, what it does is, yeah, in the shortest term, it'll have an effect on the neurological perception of that muscle of feeling tight. But when you're hanging from the squat rack for 20 minutes, after that initial transient release of the muscle, now we're getting into actual plastic deformity, which is like your muscle has an elastic property to it. You can kind of shut it shut it down and it'll come back to more or less the same length over time, whatever. But the discs and the joint capsules and the ligaments, these are things that we can't regain their elasticity, regain the tension. So you end up kind of in this vicious cycle where your low back is tight for any number of reasons. You have poor hip mobility. You have anti-public tilt. Ship posture, your fat, your fat. And that's the ones I see. It's always the fat guys who are hanging upside down. So instead of fix all of them. I hung upside down last weekend. So what happens is they release the muscle, but in doing so they actually, they degrade some of that structural stability that's also a contributing factor. Now we've got to think stability is a value of 100%. In regardless, shoulder, hip, knee, whatever. And it's at what position we're getting contributions from function and what positions we're getting contributions from structure, right? Between those two, they need to equal 100%. Otherwise you're going to end up with damage, pathology, brakes, disc herniations, whatever. So if we're diminishing the function's ability to contribute to that stability, sorry, the structure stability, or structure's ability to contribute to that stability, then the muscles need to work that much harder. So if we're adding length over time to these ligaments and tendons and discs and joint capsules, then the muscle's going to reflexively have to take on more of the load over time. So it's kind of weird imbalances and not. Weird imbalances or just you have to feel like, just be normal. You have to hang yourself upside down every day. Yeah. That's what I feel like with general foam roll and going back to foam roll. Is all these guys like, oh, I didn't foam roll my legs are so tight so I was like, well that's because you foam roll for three hours every single day. Your body's used to that stimulus and so you don't feel normal without it. But if you just do it when you need it, maybe you don't fucking. I think just in conjunction, the idea is to always scale stimulus from external to internal. If we can move our, change the perception using external stimulus so we can use our body's own internal stimulus to create that motion, create that motion, create that stability, create that mobility within ourselves. We're talking cues, motor pattern, moving correctly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, moving into more unstable positions. So by and large, the people that use the inversion tables and low back and lumbar distraction stuff, your time better spent I think elsewhere. Yeah. So long answer to a short question. No, I liked it. We'll just go still a little general here. I guess along the lines, a little bit of those two, like body tempering, it's become popular to lay really heavy things on you. Kind of like just a weighted foam roller. I liked the idea of it because I think I've thrown it on my quad. And I'm like, Oh, that feels good. Like massage. Sure. What do I know? But you look like an idiot. Yeah. So how do you, when, why, how, and are they going for the same mechanism kind of as the foam roller you're talking about? Yeah. I mean, to me, it doesn't make sense because again, it's a larger population. Like you've been in power lifting warmup rooms before. Yeah. But without fail, the super heavies get off the squat and they have their super heavier friend put one of these large tempering devices on their lower back. So your lower back is an extended curve. The lordosis, right? Lumbar lordosis. So it's basically an extended curve. Thoracic spine is a kyphosis. S-type shape going. Exactly. So when you're face down and you're applying that pressure load, you're actually increasing the extension of the curve. So thinking of why those muscles are getting tight in the first place. They're usually drawn into too much lordosis, tight hips, again, like we mentioned before, have, play a big role. The show has attaches in to the anterior body. You're tugging on it. Exactly, pulling that forward. So why would I want to put something on my lower back that's increasing that extension moment of the lumbar spine? Yeah, yeah. Right? Maybe better allocated to the front of the hip, stretching out of the hip flexors. But I mean, there is benefit to that deep pressure stimulus. That's why massage therapists and carburetors and active release stuff all exist. But again, it's, you know, you can have the tool, but if you're not applying it on the right place. So I just think the idea of, oh, if it hurts here, put it there. It's like, there's a difference between a symptom and a cause. It's a different tool. You can't put a wrench on a screw. Exactly. So maybe put that thing on your quad. Yeah. Maybe put it on a hip flexor. Maybe, maybe just put it on the shelf. Yeah, yeah. For me, that's a tough one, just because with a foam roller, we can actually create motion on it. Like we can do dynamic foam rolling where under that point pressure of the roller, we can flex and extend the quad, create that internal stimulus that we're trying to scale to, right? That's gonna be what makes a lasting change over time to the function and the structure of the muscle. So not a big fan, and again, a lot of times I see it, it's the heavy weight lifters. And it's like, if you put your own body weight on a PVC pipe that didn't have any resistance and you're not gonna taco like your mom's foam roller or whatever, I think they would have just the same, if not more of an actual deep pressure stimulus and give you the ability to start moving around on a create that internal stimulus that's actually gonna make a correction. Yeah, and I guess even just logically, that's not the only way I can think because I'm no fucking schooled guy. But you start to think like, all right, well like that guy squats six, seven, eight, nine, a thousand pounds and that stimulus is going on as a rector's or whatever's tight anyway. Why would less weight than that fix that? Sure, right? I mean, that's just logic, right? Like if I don't have a metaphor in my head, but just doesn't make sense if you're, if it's getting tight, like you said it, and then you're getting it tighter in the wrong position, overextending. And it's less stimulus than you put on your back two or three times a week where we hit it. Exactly. Where can people find you? Website, Instagram? Yeah, best place to find me nowadays, www.pre-script.com, P-R-E dash, S-C-R-I-P-T. Instagram, the underscore muscle underscore doc. In person, not really. In person, Boss Barbell Club of practice in Mountain View, California. There you go, near San Jose, near San Francisco if you guys ever visiting, check it out. Drop it. And he's gonna go work on me and then we're gonna eat food and then we're gonna podcast. Where can they find the podcast? Oh yeah, shit. I'm too many places. iTunes. iTunes, RxRadio. RxApocVD Radio. Yeah, I think that's it. Oh, and YouTube. And the YouTube. And the YouTube. Muscle doc? Yeah, that's it. Muscle doc. Yeah, I'm just shy of giving out my home address. Yes, it might as well. 11 hours, my wife killed it. Yeah, that's it. All right, cool. Here we go.