 Welcome to Toffy TV, it is the final word joined by John Blaine to discuss last night's victory over Huddersfield Sound. This video is sponsored by One Football One Football's app, makes it easier to keep up with all the latest news, scores and stats in one place to download the One Football app. Click the link in the description. A victory! Yes! Wonderful! In his? In his wonderful! The performance was wonderful, the victory is wonderful! The victory is wonderful! And a clean sheet, away from home! It was last time we got one in there, which one's Laurel and which one's Hardy? There's no Laurel's and there's no Hardy's here. No Yanni's or Laurel's or whatever there is. I thought, you know what? Is that the first clean sheet we've had away from home this season? I don't know. Chelsea? Is it the first win? That's just amazing. Is it the first win? I can't imagine why the Reds are so happy. I don't know. It was Crystal Palace last time we got a clean sheet away from home. I'm okay. So now it's the stats out. Probably answer time. We should have all the results. With the games we won, obviously Leicester, we won 2-1 didn't we? And Berni, we won 5-1. So it probably is going back. Now under all of the ice, we won 2-0 at Huddersfield. So we've had the odd one. But it's few and five between, John. You go to every minute of every game. I'll try to. So if you look on it that way to keep a clean sheet, it's looking almost what? A nine months since we last kept a clean sheet. I mean, Miami was the way it worked last night. So she couldn't go. And the first thing she said to me when I was supposed to after the game was, and Pickford had a clean sheet. And I think that's part of it. I mean, it doesn't really matter sometimes how these things come about. But it's a messaging that can be a rare firm. If you've had a clean sheet, you've had a clean sheet. I think that's part of it. I mean, it doesn't really matter sometimes how these things come about. It's a messaging that can be a rare firm. If you've had a clean sheet, you know, the defensive had a clean sheet. And last night was all about the result, really. And you've just been talking off camera. I mean, about the dug in a bit, you know. And actually, again, when we're walking away from the ground, you're talking to your mates. And the plus is that you'll take from a pretty crap performance. But the right outcome is you kept a clean sheet. Well, so we won. Yeah, kept a clean sheet. And we did it with 10 men for half an hour, wherever it was, 25 minutes or something. And that, again, becomes something to build upon, doesn't it? Well, I think that for me, the biggest thing you take from it is they were embarrassed on the weekend. They were embarrassed and rightly so. And they've been giving pelters and rightly so by all angles. They've got it from all angles. And last night was a test of character. You've got to go out and listen, they had a new manager. The crowd would be eyeing him. We know they're very limited, but Millwall were even more limited than what they were. And they've gone out and dug in and threw themselves in the way it's shot and edited a lot away. And that, to me, is something to build on. I wouldn't look at it and go, oh, we're back now, that's it. But you look and go, we've won the game and that's what we had to do for the manager, for the fans, for the players themselves. I think it's though. 10 times a season, that kind of result. Forget about everything else. You should be getting results like that. 13 other teams in the Premier League that are not capable of beating home and away as far as I'm concerned. So you should be doing that. Well, at least 10 times a season you should be going and playing those kind of teams and getting a clean sheet and getting a comfortable win. And if you want to finish seven dothwards, that's whatever you've got to do. And it's not always going to be pretty, of course it's not, but as long as you've got an element of control in the game where you're just sort of keeping them at arm's length, almost like what we did when we went down to 10 men last night, maybe before, and we weren't, because the game was far too open for me when it was 11. When I say open, we were comfortable. I didn't think we were though, no, because of the amount of times we just kept on giving the ball away. That's the point, isn't it? You talk about the symptoms and the causes, but the symptoms over the last however many games it's been is that unforced errors and they were still there last night. That's what I'm saying. I'm not disputing where we went because they had no goal threat. But it's the fact that how many times we just needlessly give the ball away. Trying something clever when something simple was on and that's what I'm saying. That's what I know he's made more than anything and won't jump too far ahead, but descending off was symptomatic of that. We had the ball at the pitch and I think it was Bernard and he tries to do something clever when he should just be doing something simple and this was spoke about when we played Bailey when we were born with in the first half when first half it was five yards, second half we just took a nice little extra touch everyone kept it simple and we waved our way up the pitch and that's what frustrates this team. We've said it loads of times it's this idea that we can jump to nine when we need to go through all the other numbers first before we get there and when we went down to ten minutes I thought we had to do it then. We started the game really well. We were on the front immediately we scored as a good goal lovely little round. Within 30 seconds we cut them out and Richard Ellison showed a shot to play him one-two. Lovely little round the corner from Bernard and David just put it back into the game. Richard Ellison, like you said before coming in from that left hand a centre four would have been looking for the link ball from Bernard because he's able to come in from the wing but he stayed a late so as he broke back he smashed it in and he was ready for the second one and you're up that's exactly what we needed but if I had any criticism if it was that front end we didn't go for the kill we were in total games we had something like 68% of the ball we were stroking it round they were all effort which you'd expect from a team. The periodically unforced errors putting us under pressure and one was never enough but you know that when you scored that really and it's funny you mentioned Crystal Palace before because in that day we scored that three minute round score when we won a palace step not the call one month you scored that and you're like this is a long way to hang on you're looking for that second goal you write it here on the ball you get into good positions and then someone takes another touch there's a sloppy forward ball there's opportunities there's a daff question because you never know the answer do you the real had we finished the game with 11 men would we have won? I think we would have finished I think we would have but there's a daff question you don't know do you because there's a daff question because I think we sort of got a organisational lift from going down to 10 men because if you had to make some changes they could look down to 10 men what's better to have won the way we did or to have played with 11 and just won 1-0 emotionally it's because when you go down to 10 men and ironically the few times I'll tell you when I say who's playing left back no no but the three times we've gone down to 10 men away we haven't lost have we so it shows that there is that at times you've got to be able to dig in that means that the motivation to be disciplined comes from only having 10 men because they're talking to each other and they can it's like the old thing when all about losing their heads all those speeches and the like or you fall back on process when things are going wrong some of those players have to fall back on what they know particularly the defenders and sometimes they give the impression that when the pressure's on they don't know to fall back now whether the brains are getting befuddled by a manager who wants to play out from the back and all that sort of stuff but sometimes even the best teams they just put the foot through the ball to be fair I don't think we've got centre backs who actually shoot necessarily playing a high line or such and they Michael King does like defending from the 12 edge of the box that's where he feels comfortable and that's where you get criticism then of the manager because he's got that central defender whether he wants it or not he's playing him and King himself again this is the loop isn't it feedback loop thing King himself can say to the manager she'll be able to say I'm comfortable doing that I've got one out bone which is my little clippy thing that I do but I don't want to be told off Mr manager when I put my foot through it I really don't that's where your allidises of this world the presenters say it's safer he didn't like King though he would have sold King if he stayed I think King he played very well last night at the bar almost giving the penalty away unnecessarily at the end getting lucky but he's the one who passes the ball out from the back he's our best defender at doing that and Zoom is able to recover because he's quicker but you're right we probably get caught between too high a line as we did for the sending off maybe it's just somewhere in between where we can recover and it's about awareness but I like the fact that we did some people won't be for some people but I like the fact that we did smash it away from our goal I don't mind that bar back for doing that because we've got another six plays you should be able to do all the silty stuff so I've got no issues especially when we've got runners like the charlers and you can get in behind or like Towson camp when we have Dom up there or Welcot at times when you're going tell you what 10 make them have to clear the ball and we don't it's pass and then like you said people making and before you know it you can see that they go leave give a free kick and it's like but everything's you know if you've got a system and you've got a structure and organisation and all that good stuff and you're under stress you're under pressure but plays have been moved about that had a position whatever whatever you height them all into row triple Z or whatever it is or up the field or whatever there's got to be one of these leaders be set back into shape and so on they don't do it do you think it's just a make up of the team you know when you look at the team because the individual has said this I think it's the formation it's always going to come down to players but how you fit them into a formation and I just don't think we fit them all so when the man has got interviewed and sometimes you have to listen to what they say rather than what the words are don't you know so what I took from his last interview was he didn't use these words certainly but was they know what to do, I told them what to do they've accepted they know what to do and then they don't do it and if that's what's happening it can't be what you just said because until they do as they're told we don't know whether can they do what they're told it's a tiered conversation isn't it until they do as they're told we don't know whether doing as they're told would give us better outcomes and when you say well why are they not doing as they're told is it because they can't and that's what you have to get to and if the manager sort of responding to questions by saying they're not doing as they're told someone should ask the question is that because they can't if you've got to ask them to do things they can't do or they're not capable of or for whatever other reason they won't do if you say to Wolcott you've got to track your man and he just doesn't do it is that because he can't do it he hasn't got the awareness to even know where the man is he's too long he is what he is or can't he be off you know what I mean you find out the reason why he's not doing it that's what I'm saying probably the best example of that is Guilfri Sigarton he keeps on playing him in this position that he seems to be getting worse and worse in and yet last night looking like he played slightly deeper people say he didn't have a very good game but he made more tackles in one game than he had in the previous four and it was the best ever game the best completion was higher it was the best ever performance in terms of defence tackling because he's deeper and you have to dig in last night so it's it's those little factors isn't it if we're playing one off front we need a midfield player to break forward don't we Tom did that last night and that's why people said he had a good game but he wasn't brilliant he just had a good game and he did something that we're not used to seeing which is a midfielder getting into the box and that shows to me that ok maybe the formation is right for the manager but the players don't isn't it funny though when we talk about we're talking about this manager from a defensive point of view sorry defensive players point of view and they split and quote play out from the back and everything and yet if during open play Zuma or Nino is playing or Keane get on the ball it's like Gomez comes to me to you so they don't come out with the ball right and so particularly when Zuma does it because he's a big unit just carry the ball those 15-20 yards but that's like a confident no one's naturally going to fill in behind and in our team the only fan who by default covers players is Gannett who just steps in behind he'll end up at left back or right back or one of the central positions and so we're too predictable it's a formula that's on paper because it's supposed to work and this is why we pass it out from the back and this is what winds people up with when we do that thing where we pass it outwards and then we play another pass and then it ends up at the goalkeeper and the goalkeeper just kicks in and goes well why didn't you do that in the first place it's that idea that those three passers draw three players in and you create that space and that's why the centre back won't go forward with the ball because he's almost just waiting and trying to pull players out and that's great he'll have a goalkeeper who can knock 30 out passes but he doesn't do it he never does it the only place he does it is for England being saying this for the centre figure in the season he never does it for us he ends up hitting it out it does go out to the wide out to play after time but on paper these things all go that works, that works and then you put them into practice and you go I've got the players I want to pick for going I want to put it in there but no one keeps on dropping into space but if I put it, if it bounces off his leg because he hasn't got a good enough touch that plays again that's what I'm saying the manager's got a formula it's too simplistic but that's what management is it's too simplistic because I'm the opposition and I go that's going to zoom it's going to go to Gomez now so I'm just going to stand there and wait but that's what they keep doing zoom is running at me it's mixing it up I always say it about Colman the amount of times when James is getting behind him he plays the same ball the little clip every single time so on the second time he goes through and does it, you centre back so he's going to this away because he's going to think it now if he throws one in front of you centre back on the next one he cuts it back as a defender you're thinking what's he going to do now same with the Charles have you heard Pep talking about what they do or what he coaches generally not recently he fundamentally seems to talk about that when he's coaching around structure clearly he's got his three zones then defends the midfield the last third last third you're on your own once do what you like because then it's unpredictable it's not a bloody man with a white board clearly when they get the ball you've got to reset, you've got to do whatever it is his three second rule or whatever it might be but the structure that wears me mate and all that sort of stuff it's all about defensive actions going forward it's got to be spontaneous it's got to be spontaneous, it's got to be unpredictable it makes it difficult for the opposition to prepare for it because they really just you don't know what you're going to do but you've got to have a mix up and we're so predictable I mean it fell next to me last night when we got a free kick I think it was about 10 or 15 yards inside the half and he went this is going back to bloody pick for this is and you've seen it countless times and I just said nah it's not it does, it does but then it's the whole problem people talk about the derby and say it's the mental thing it's the mental thing I don't have that for a start I just think we're just John's just nailed it we've been playing exactly the same system all season with the same players coaches work hard all week they have fellas who watch video all week if you're playing the same way and you've got the same players doing the same thing they're just going to go this is how they play and this is how we stop it we're not very good at actually what we do play that way then it would work for us wouldn't it because most scenes play the same way because of that but we're just not very good at it that's the difference I don't think you can underestimate that you can do your comfort you're the coach or whatever on Friday you can tell Everton's squad all about Man City let's do it next Monday you can tell them what you like and know what they're going to do doesn't mean you can stop it but if you lack predictability and people don't know that you might change if we start doing whatever we're doing and they've got themselves organised and they can counter that quite comfortably they're the old artists keep doing the same thing and expect a different outcome you've got to change something now what this manager seems to do and other managers do is they think the change is just to change the personnel I'll take a right winger off and put a different right winger on well that's just the same degree of predictability and we've got within our squad the ability to actually change formations haven't we, we could go through it at the back we could do this, we could do that and do the other well as Bernard never tried as a proper number 10 you know he was for seven minutes against Schumann he doesn't get on the ball enough when he's on the ball he's a quick feet all that sort of stuff or give him free reign to move about a bit drop the wingers over oh look 20 minutes go on all those things are predictable and if we want to actually mix it up a bit just find something we've never done before and do it it's like rocky films isn't it keep it and then work your right hand after 12 rounds of getting beaten 10 bells out of it's in with the other one and you can condition everybody can be conditioned to expect things and then you do something different it's why we're all it's why we've all got super licences for me it's that the lack of shots we have on target makes me think that we play up to a certain point and then you've just said that last day that's the bit where the inventedness and that's where players we have the target mode and we have six on target and ten shots which is unbelievable for us because it's normally 20 shots and two on target but you're right it's still the same would you rather us take ten shots in a game and have 75% on target or take 20% shots and have 60% on target 20 because there was a stat the other day I don't know if someone can do that but the principle was there was a thing that CIS came out with about the most efficient teams in Europe in other words how many shots do they have to score a goal no sign of mancy in the top part of that because they shoot so much the arrow is goals per shot it's awful but it doesn't really matter because it does have 30 goals a season and so therefore are we not shooting when we can that's what I think you decided that though was confidence because if you have more shots on target you're shot in a game even if you have less on target that means as a player you feel like you're going to get a chance where as we what we do is we get to the edge of the box and we're not sure when we'll be back down there next this is going to be perfect lad where as we're childhood and so on just have a dig look at when you're playing against a team who's raining shots in that now they might be going wide over or to keep us comfortably catching them football is such a psychological game so when you're playing in a game and you're against a team and they having shots in your mind the perception is we're getting back to the edge and one of these shots are going in your confidence starts getting anything can do your confidence starts getting on the back foot you rack up a good of some night as an away team and evidently just going and after half an hour they've had two shots a goal this is easy and that's essentially what Lester did so most of the other week just like Lester tried everything in the opening 20 minutes to give us a goal twice Harry McGuire just give the ball to us on the edge and we couldn't take it and after like an hour they were like these don't want to win if you shoot on sight who gets discomforted in the opposition first the goalie why are the shots coming in so he starts having to go his defenders must lower their confidence and they have to put bends and they get closer you can lay it off and all that sort of stuff I'd love to believe and I don't know but everything is just you guys have been talking about for half an hour I suggest that the game management and the confidence isn't necessarily there so Richard Lawson's scoring was good the middle one thing but when in the away end thinking their goalies for some reason he's a bit nervous here and then the nervousness shows and we score you'd love to think when there was a player on our pitch let's shoot this guy's arse are you talking about Millwall this is not his arse we're playing at Millwall the pitch has got surface water on the ball is skidding the charlison shoots he drops it if you were playing get shot in it's skidding this keeper doesn't look confident that should have been the message get a chance get a message on the field someone to watch and say let's do this and again that comes down to the leadership someone who understands that it weighs both ways last night kept on trying to get on the ball and beat people making themselves look stupid because he ended up running down but at least he's got the confidence no one else is doing it there was one in the second half he broke into the area he just lost it but what happened was he broke and he's at pace and he's going because you could see no one was near him and he ends up trying to step over it and he just took the ball off and broke and you're like why didn't you get a shot because you know if you lost it and it goes into the Evertonians doesn't matter like you said but given the ball away when people are trying to commit that's where we've been caught and again that's the end there often we've got the ball up high up there and we're messing around and it was Bernadir and he's not losing the ball I thought Keane played like a Bernad's running across he's got the ball, the lad takes it off takes a couple of touches, strides forward just knocks one over the top and that's us in possession of the ball no one's got their heads up looking for the ball and no one's showing for the ball Bernad loses it poor management again he's got a couple pass laying off and that was the point he was trying to do something cute but it's that idea if you're chasing the same thing you lose the ball with those five players up front so he knocks it over the top Dean doesn't step up properly but I think Zuma was online as well and the lad's completely gone and what I would say is fair play to Dean for just taking them out because a lot of players there would have gone to self-preservation and would have either gone oh I better leave them and then took them out while they were in the box tweeted this morning didn't he sorry about the red but three points no that's the thing at least he took them out on the edge of the box where some people would have said I fancy pick for the A1 on 1 or these haven't got it in them or something and they go oh sorry lad it's better to be 1-1 then be 1-0 with 10 minutes you're just playing your pez style on that just kick them off what did you think Zuma ni'n sruch o mhw were you in the camp of what the fuck he's had to do with the lad's clean the lad's clean when you're watching the game like it's happened hasn't it but you see because we were right behind the goal lying a site right the way down ok we'll never know whether pickford would have come and done but the next likeliest thing would have been pickford brings him down more importantly though it's the fact that you've won them up in a game you've got control over the game you've got control over the game this is why I don't think we've ever got control because we do these stupid things and a ball over the top you centre-backs are sitting on the halfway line I know the top but come on that's what I'm saying it was why we were so high if it was so high then you let the lad just wander off site you go lad just step all the way up there if there's no trouble then let him go it's that idea again we were somewhere the other day we had that idea of not having to trust in the man next year you know that you used to do when you were playing as a kid you played some of the game you'd have a clarity about what to play off site and everyone would step off bar the lad on the other side of the pit didn't realise and it's that trust that our Premier League teams did to be fair the reason he done that last night was as soon as he come on Dean he'd put your tongue up the ass straight away on the halfway line straight away he'd never give himself time to get settled into the game he got in and he could straight away that's the symptom from Saturday that Saturday still playing on the course of the day where the Bains are just being like cool and calm and playing himself through the game he'd come on and straight away I've got a tone I've got a tone but Leighton wouldn't have got close enough to pull him down with it Bains would have just done the old he wouldn't have cos he does it all the time he knows to step up to step up and you're offside cos he's got all that experience but he was a rabbit rabbit in the headline you can't have that you've got to just be again relaxed it should be fair to him it was only that Bains oh no but I mean what I'm saying is you're coming on off the you play the cup side where you've when you're struggling you get all the crap that comes out of training camps all the Portuguese all the foreign language speakers are over here and all the old boys who aren't getting a game Jags and Bains they get over here you've got the same DMs as me this week yeah probably but those players at least two in Jags and Bains who've been there, done that, read the books, seen a movie all that sort of stuff and they're sitting in the stand often one assumes, seeing stuff so they need to start giving advice and guidance they become like associate coaches don't they you know Bains could take Dean under his wing and say that Premier League should do this I mean why Jags could be talking to Zuma or Mina or even Keane and saying I don't even know well you'd like to think they are Johnnar are they I don't know well if they are that's good see what I do like, if there's anything I do like is the fact that you look at someone like Tom Davies and you look at someone like Leighton Bains and there's no one's been spitting the dummy out that they haven't been playing two captains this season no one's been spitting because they both know Bains actually was a mate with Tom they both know that in football something will happen and they have to be ready to play in the game of football like they did here last night that's the point because you haven't been playing you've just got to take it on the chain because your opportunity will always arise in football always you could have no left back Saturday you've had the same left back all season and then is up lose both of them in the game are you there cucko my mate who is at we were at the middle war game Chris Chris was watching the theatre the guy who was a coach he told me he might be playing left back the weekend because he pulls Tom's leg about oh Tom should be playing right back in a younger age group so he was a full back wasn't he I think he should be right back Tom's a right back but then we had to dig in John Joe comes on at left back and I thought he was fantastic everything up to Peter and he got blockchain from wide areas which is the only one he didn't was a bit of a miss it anyway but Jordan Pickford you'll have to mention it he had he made I just thought in general there was one where he come for it either in the first half or you've never come for Keen don't just enough because he bladded the better than it was a goal but other than that I thought he looked a lot more like he did when he first started but the save from the free kick the first one that's an important save because if he scores there and we've just gone down it's like walls isn't it first day in the season it completely swings the game around so he was a big save that because the way I go they go on they get two because they were strong crosses but the fans were really quite vocal they're having the fun of dinner they're getting relegated so I don't enjoy myself but then it saved them the other way to get but they were celebrating that goal and then this arm hand pops out and he doesn't just touch it it was a really big save and that was what he done for us quite a lot last season I don't think it's happened as much this season not because it's anything to do with it but just the way games have gone some games he's been erratic and you've looked and gone to Jordan you can do better like Southampton away the Dean goal how he didn't save that it's wild but often there's too big a gap between the goal and the defenders as well but that saved, the two saves last night it was just miss yeah and he was back to the he's someone for me who's vocal again well he's someone for me who's played in non-league because he did and he's gone on loan all he's one of them he'll move the ball when he's about like never never taught me that basically and I watched that a goal he had remember being at Amfield and the veins an extra poppin me with Royal Nill Nill and the ball goes off he got the goal kick and he back he'll get back to the cut and then it's all gone and the veins were bulging and you know we drew Nill Nill he winked and walked off he'd moved the ball and gone left all of that arlasness of like basically what Ben Foster does to us every time he comes and it winds you up as a fan but you know what it kills the game and Pickford's got that little bit of he will go like that if they give him he doesn't mind getting involved with the crowd last night what I thought he'd done better was he calmed down a little bit with most of his kicking he's being erratic like you said I don't know whether it was a little bit of arrogance in the world cup or just generally getting built up because people were saying it's the best goal in the world and so this he come back with a bit of bravado I can do these kicks and he just hasn't been at his level what I thought last night and I'm not saying listen could have a harler on Saturday but I just thought last night he looked a little bit like when he faced or when he was a bit more in the moment so you're getting all hopeful now aren't you no I'm just saying I just think at times you've got that credit worth where it's due and I think from the Liverpool game rightly so he's looked like a shadow of what he was like anything in these circumstances I mean we've said it before the symptoms were still there of what's been causing the problems wasn't perfect by any means but they have to turn up again at the weekend and build on that and there'll be a tough game there flying and we've got city after that sort of thing city city isn't it it'll take care of it you'll have a programme for that well I've watched the last 15 minutes of their game last night they were horrendous we've got six of the top seven in our next home games aren't you yeah yeah so that's it though isn't it we've got to beat a couple of them otherwise we are going to be in free form they like to have arsenal you can get into it they haven't really improved under them they were hanging on my card so the managers got to for each of those so-called bigger teams remind the players of what happened in the away games because all those games were game-a-game we had chances you know different outcomes and with the crowd at home you know when I did I think I tweeted about it the other day last week or whenever it was it used me software and predicted all the games and you end up with us but we didn't lose any of the games by more than a goal so they're all they can all swing backwards and forwards just on a goal in my software's prediction for last night was too well so it's also right but they were close games so if they're close let's come out the other side with it's close and we will rather than it's close and we lose it's face goals a lot of the time in the Premier League and then it's face goal and then with Everton it's been able to get through the next five minutes because too often we do score and within minutes we've conceded that's up to Manatee let these through lads it's also confident though isn't it because it's the idea now that they know that the first five minutes oh god you've got to get through these and that makes you a little bit jittery last night I know people will criticize and people will be going it's fucking hard it's fail lads stop it but as it's player this goes out after the water it goes out that you look and go as players you look and go we've defended for 93 minutes after we score because you played 96-20 even though we put 4 minutes we've defended a goal lead and kept a clean sheet and we've dug in with 10 men so we know that we can get clean sheets and that's what you have to try Saturday will pose different problems because they're better offensively the mobile hymn is up front to hand full but they'll also leave you loads of gaps West Ham could have had 4 or 5 last night but they give gaps the first day of the season we should have won the game 6 or 7 but the chance to be passed up so it's a diff but these will cause more problems in Wothersfield and if we come out of Saturday with a clean sheet then they will have done that but like you said before that was a good close there you go see me won and I'm just happy before so there you go another thing about Saturdays is there'll be no meaner as well which isn't the worst thing in the world and I like meaner but I just think the fact that these two lads playing together and now in the playing together in their heads weren't they the partnership when we got on the winning runway weren't they for a few games yeah me and only came in a Chelsea didn't he although we did very well I think with meaner you have to just play you have to put them in and go you're not getting dropped until the end of the season and then you'll get into it I don't think it helps them coming in for three and going back out and it doesn't help any of them actually because Keane's got meaner then meaner's got zoomer then Keane and it's fair for two from three but play three at the back then yeah we've won three points that's all we care about everything else is just noise that we talk for an hour let us know your thoughts in the comments you want to discuss anything let us know if you haven't already subscribe please do click the bell for alerts and if you want more great videos and I need more loads more journeys on page and the link is in the description for that as well if you want to meet podcast form as well then on there as well get over there keep us in Jaffa cakes we'll see you later gotcha see you next time