 This meeting was held in exciting Las Vegas, Nevada from July 9th through the 11th, 1999. This is meeting to take number 42, Walker County, California. Today, yeah, I'm your DJ virus. Alright, this is a lock picking demonstration. We're going to go over a couple of things. I think we're still going to try to get something set up here. Fortunately, I currently showed up because we've been trying to find each other all weekend and I was going to panic mode. County is going to go over how different locks work and different types of picking demonstrations on different types of locks. I'm going to be talking about these. No, we'll go over this a little bit. Actually, who in the audience right now has a pair of police regulation handcuffs? Police regulation handcuffs. Bring them up. Here. Who here? Goddamn script kiddies. Nobody here has police regulation handcuffs here. Negative. What's up with you guys? Where's the fence? Are there any federal officers here with police regulation handcuffs? I need another t-shirt. Nope. Okay, that's okay. I got these from security. Don't ask. These are not police regulation handcuffs. Police regulation handcuffs actually have a small hole on the back here for doing the double lock. These have like a little monkey little bar and these are also really, really stiff. I love my crew. My crew rocks. This.org. Right on. Alright, a couple disclaimers. Yeah, you knew this was coming, right? First of all, the demonstration is specifically for you in case a, a loved one locks you in and you lose your key. Or, you really want to impress your friends. Are you trying to sell an LCD projector? That too. Yeah, he locked his bag up and he can't get it unlocked. I'm just going to pick that lock for you guys later. This one? Yeah, I'm going to pick that. One thing I'd like to stress right now. We're going to show you or actually tell you how to actually open up handcuffs. Don't be stupid. I mean, really do not be stupid. If anyone, you know, any representative of law enforcement puts you in handcuffs, do not do what I'm about to show you. That's monumentally stupid. I mean, really, really stupid. The problem is, I gave this demonstration a little bit over a year ago, actually after I picked the beer lock last year. Who was here and saw me actually pick the beer lock in 30 seconds? Cool. Yeah, that was kind of a hard lock too. I should have had it in 15. No, sir? That bastard, no. Okay. What's the need to get a pair of police regulation handcuffs from somebody? We have one. We need that. Anyone have a set of police regulations? I've already went through this. It's a big pop in here somewhere. No, we already went through this. I gave this demonstration about a year ago and then I found out that someone thought it was going to be cute when he was being bought in for questioning that he was going to hand the handcuffs back to the police officer. And although he was clear of original charges, he was now put up on a felony for attempted escape. Okay? Don't be stupid. All right, enough of that. So, you're going to be launching these handcuffs and you can't find the keys. Old boyfriend, hey, I don't know, you know? Well, there's some lovely women out in the audience and they've got boyfriends who are like, you know, curious. Hey, you know, baby, if I handcuff you to the bed, well, shit, then you can't cook me dinner. I'm going to pay for that. And it could be the other way around. Gee, honey, if I lock you in handcuffs, then you can't clean the house for me. Like all men should. I got that from my wife, okay? I was like, sure, trying to clean the house. Here's a try, okay? All right, the handcuff mechanisms are actually very simple. There's not a lot to them. Part of the demonstration that I wanted to give are going to be very, very difficult with these specific set. We got these from security. These are also very, very, very stiff. I'm going to tell you right now, while I'm enforcement handcuffs, aren't this stiff. Okay? Police officers actually take care of their gear real, real well. The whole mechanism is nothing but a little spring pressure lock. But you can hear the little click, you know, right? And, boy, this is going to be fun. Let's see if I can actually do this. I'm going to have to get down into the audience here, hold on. Audience participation. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Follow me. All of the neighbors. One of the... Yeah, we're going to answer in here. Here. It's not my beer. Okay, I'm going to kind of walk through the audience and go over some of this with y'all. All y'all. I'm actually out in Illinois right now for like six months and I'm going to want to say all y'all. I have no idea why. Man, this is going to be fun. Inside here, the black on black that you can't see. Can you hold the microphone? I'm going to. Okay, inside here are a set of teeth. Three teeth that look like this. Okay? What happens is... I'm just going to project and hope that the mic picks it up. Just keep the mic there for the camera thingy. What happens is when the handcuffs come down, kind of like this, these springy clips drop as they come down and then they relatch. Okay? All this is, is a spring mechanism. That's all it is. Now unless it's double locked, the whole process is you need to bring the spring down. It's a lot faster than picking. I was a 15-year professional magician and I didn't get out handcuffs in about a second by doing this process. If they're double locked, then you have to pick. Okay? In the process, as it comes down, the little spring mechanism keeps it from going back up. Duh. All you really need is a really small thin piece of metal. Where do you get these? Who here has seen a street sweeper? Who here has never seen a street sweeper? The guy from Iowa. You need to get out more. This is nothing more than a bristle of a street sweeper and they're actually perfect sized. It comes in where the mechanism is. And you're going to force it over the springs and it's going to push them down and then this will open right back up. Nothing to it. The question is is where'd you all go? Oh, one big blue dot now. Morning. Morning would be good. Hey, if you really like my talking about your own money, remember chain charts that wrapped them during the 10s and 20s. So did the cushion the blow? It really was. Yeah, it was. I'm such a whore. The problem I had when I was a magician was where do I hide the picks? That's going to be a good chunk of my talk. If you double lock the handcuffs or someone double locks the handcuffs with you, you actually have to do a picking process. Get yourself a pair of police regulation handcuffs and you'll find out where the first lock is and where the second lock is. And that's all you need to know. Handcuffs are very, very cool designs because it's a small little bump in the center here surrounded by a very, very small slot for the key to fit into. Most picks you're not going to be able to get in there. What I used to do is I used to get very, very thin paper clips and I used to carry paper clips with me. And it's just a process of just taking a piece of paper clip in there and bending it real quick and then putting it in and running around the little circle and it opens up the lock picks quite well. Lots of practice. Let's go over where you're going to hide the picks. Sure, hide something. So how many of you have seen a handcuff key for one reason or another up close and personal? There's not much to it. It's one little bump on top of this cylinder. The cylinder goes in, you rotate it around, that little bump does something. So simulating this with a pick is just not a hard thing as a general rule. The hardest part is getting something that's thin in there because if you look at how much metal there is there, there's not much at all. It's just barely there. So you need to have something that's very, very small that can fit in between because you'll find, hey, I can get into this side and then you can't go any further. So if you just think about the lock as an electrical process, there's just not much to it. They're relying on tight tolerances more than anything to keep you from picking it. Karen, can I borrow you for a second? I need a woman volunteer because I actually have to go near the back of the pants here. And Karen's my best friend, so it'll be okay. Karen is our lovely assistant, not a volunteer, our lovely assistant. Okay, I'm going to get over where you hide picks and the different types of picks you can hide. When I was doing professional magic show, I could hide over 100 picks on my possession and you'd be lucky if you could find five of them. I'm not going to go over all 100. I'm going to go over the basics there. Remember, this is for your convenience because I'm just helping you. Remember what I said about being stupid? Don't be stupid. What you should do is let you actually get away and you're not going to be doing that stuff and the last time you go home you have to watch this. I know you're not going to watch this. I'm going to be cool. This thing is meant to be actually here in the neighborhood of California. The G-30 has a lot of contours in them, in the pockets and in the back here. Federally and... Oh, yeah, a microphone. That's okay. No, it was for the camera. I need a wireless mic. Just keep it close. All right, like I said, the different contours, try to pay attention to that story at the back. The contours of the pants are great hiding places. Jeans are wonderful. The back belt loop right here, you can actually sew in a second pocket and haul it out the top here and actually stick the pick right down in here. Right? You see what I'm saying? Because if you look at how thin this piece of metal is, it'll fit right in there and you don't need much more than that. You just need to let the hold and actually let that spring. Also, right in here, right in here, right in here. Anywhere where there's a contour is perfect. Also, in the back of the pants here, I would actually sew a pocket here and just sew an actual key right there. Now, in all the years I did magic shows, no one ever found that key. I had just a ton of metal on me and all I ever used was that stupid key. I had it very, you know, I mean, I thought, well, I had all the other things in case people actually looked and found them. And nobody ever found that stupid key because nobody does this. Okay? Two things? Yeah. Down the sides of the pants, I would actually put a whole series of different picks in here. If you bend over the top here, it becomes a little wedge and all you end up doing is having a small little piece of metal and you just pull straight up and there's the pick. Okay? Another type of pick that you can do, reach into my pocket. Everybody's got credit cards. No. All right, everybody has credit card type things. Yeah. Okay, not everybody has credit cards. Who's seen like the little membership cards sometimes you get that are really super thin plastic credit card type things. I mean, they're like really super thin. Like a hotel key? Like a hotel key. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to borrow you a hotel key. Yeah, I know what you're saying. One thing I'd also do is I took one of those credit cards and I would actually just cut a small slot in it about halfway through about the width of where my pry bar would normally be and I would just stick that in my back pocket and all I had to do was pull that up bend that out a little bit and drop it right into the handcuffs and that also worked really, really well. I took it one time when it snapped off inside. And then even the key couldn't get me out of those suckers. Any questions on handcuffs right now? Are you supposed to reach the thing down in the seats in your handcuffs? Yeah, because when you get handcuffed you're like this. You just bring it down. You grab all the stuff in your shoes. You're doing straight? Yeah. Now there are a type of handcuffs that if you get put into these you're totally screwed. There's a type that has not the swivel chain in the middle to the series of like three, like bicycle chains in the middle and they don't twist. And what happens is when someone puts you in them they put the locks on the inside, like this. If they know what they're doing. Yeah, and kick back and enjoy the ride because they're not coming off. Also some law enforcement when they put handcuffs on you they'll put a plastic covering over them so it covers up the holes here, holes here and the keys. I actually had a girlfriend who had a little plastic thing and thought it would be cute to put them in and I actually had to cut the plastic off because they actually have to cut the plastic off to get to the locking mechanism and there you can't really get off really easily either. They'll do that in very odd situations so odds are really good that if they put that plastic cover on leaving is just a really bad idea. Leaving is almost always just a bad idea. Yeah, that's a good one. And just sort of as a side note one of the other things that they do is in like riot situations where they're picking up a significant number of people they don't use handcuffs at all. They use tibeties with a wire cord. The only way they can get them off is with wire cutters. I was going to get to actually that because one thing that will happen to you if you actually get put in handcuffs from law enforcement and if you think it's cute to hand them back they will take those tibeties and they'll put them on very tight and your fingers will turn nice and purple and you're up for a felony and you're very unhappy now. Pretty cute. I've actually had those tibeties put on me once. This was for fun. I wasn't actually arrested. Yeah, no good stories there. And I said, put them on me like you normally put them on because being a magician I actually had a lot of law enforcement friends who I would sit there and say, hey, you got anything new that I can try to get out of? They said, yeah, here, we're using these a lot. And threw them on them. I said, put them on. Just like we're going to put them on to somebody who you're going to take away and my fingers are turning purple. Hey, my hands are swelling up and I'm going, this hurts really, really bad. I'm not getting out of these. There's no way because they put them on like that. And I mean, they're just, you just know, it just has to cut them off. So, you know what I said, don't be stupid. I've had almost exactly the same experience. I also did magic for many years. I would say the cable ties were the second most annoying thing that I've ever been bound by in that situation. The first was fishing line. And that was, that was bad. Don't do that. I had four pound test tied and they said, here, step out of that and it went poof and it filleted my skin. Yes. Right. Yeah, it is. Actually, in police regulations, the back of the handcuffs on the other side, there's a small little hole here. And what the handcuff key does, see the little dot right here? No, throw the handcuffs on, like that. And then right in the back here is a small little indentation and now press in with the indentation. And what it does is it locks the spring in the up position because right now what you're doing is you're forcing the spring down with the pick. What that does is that locks in. There's no way to force it down. And then it's a picking process. And yes, that is actually very, very, very common. And what you get in that position, which is actually, to some extent, a benefit is you can't actually tighten the handcuffs anymore, which, if they put them on kind of loose, these can cut off circulation, these can really suck. If they put them on loose and they put the stud on, it's actually kind of nice for you because it's not accidentally going to get tighter and they're not going to fuck around with you in that way. Yeah. Now, I mean, if you get really, really into this and want to do some cool things, what you can do is actually dislocate your thumb and get your hand out like that. And don't do that, it's painful. I had to do that about 20 minutes ago when I came in here. Yeah. We put them on there without the key and realized it was too tight to actually use the pick and we're going, uh-oh. And he actually had to, you know, do the little thumb thing. It's totally possible you're actually dislocating up the joint here and up here as a double dislocation and you kind of like push the thumb back into the palm and it gets you a nice little- Thinner hand. Thinner hand about the same thickness of your wrist and it hurts. Yeah. And you're sore for like a week later. What was that? I'm sorry. I thought that was fucking nasty. Oh, hey. There are most things that you can do when you like get double jointed where you can just like, you know, joints around. Oh, hey, use my favorite. Oh! You've done three jackets. Yeah, three jackets. Forty-five seconds. Oh, yeah, you want me to do that again? Land turn. There's shit at you from my arm. Okay. At this point, I want to turn this over to Gurney here. He's going to talk about different locks. There's some long introduction, but let the guy work it. Hand cooking. Want to bring the board up? Yeah, let's bring the board up. I was hoping to have overhead because I've got slides, but I'll just have to talk about it. Yeah, talk about it. Yeah, I know. We're planning on having cameras in here to show you the inside of the handcuffs on the big screen, but you're going to want to talk to me afterwards and then go over the process with you again. And look, we should have a couple easier pairs of cups here, and we can actually like show you just how quick and easy it is. But wait. Okay, I'm just going to briefly talk about picking pin tumbler locks and bi-association wafer locks. Let's see. It is remarkably simple, actually. The mechanism is not that complicated. And basically what you have in the plug here is a row of maybe or it could be as little as four to maybe six or seven sets of pins which in a relaxed state block the core here from turning, and that's actually what happens when you turn it that moves the bolt in or out. We've got on the bottom there's key pins, which are the pins that the key actually engages into, and then there's drive pins up top. I brought a cutaway with me, and you can I've got the cutaway in my pocket. I don't think it uses springs. Okay, I'm trying. Don't break it. So you have some springs that are pressing down on the drive pins and those interfere with the rotation of the plug. When you put the key in the different levels on the key lift the pins and the key pins are of all different lengths and this corresponds with the grooves in the key and when you put the key in all the way it lifts all the pins up to a shooter line position which is actually, maybe with a picture. When you set the shooter line position you have a nice line with the drive pins up above the key pins below and it's completely clear for the plug to rotate so you can open the lock. Now that's with the normal key. When you're picking what you do is you exploit a minor defects in every lock the higher security locks and maybe built with higher manufacturing tolerances but even then it's impossible to be absolutely perfect. You're going to have some skew on the holes where the pins go in. What you do initially is you use a torsion bar to put some torque on the plug. Then you go in with a pick and in a true picking situation you go in and individually lift up each pin you put pressure on it, push it up feel the pressure on the pick and then as the pin sets you're going to feel that pressure go away and actually you can feel the pin pop and then you may also feel a minute rotation of the plug as you set that pin and then you just continue that process lifting each pin up to the shooter line the rotation and the torque that you're putting on the plug will hold the drive pin and the upper pin in the top portion and you sequentially go through and set each of the pins and then open up In most cases you don't even have to do that much work especially this is a quick set door set with identical keys quick set is I'd almost say pervasive in new home builders um and maybe partially because I think they do contractor keys I don't know what all the issues are but every new home that I've seen has it's almost 100% chance they'll have quick set on it um they're like the easiest locks to fit oh yeah, they're easy easy um yeah not too hungover, I'll try to demonstrate um in a normal situation especially with cheap set of locks, you do a method called scrubbing which is you use your torsion bar, put some torque on the plug lightly use a well any pick you particularly like I happen to like using a snake-shaped pick and you basically scrub the pins you insert the pick and the rake out towards you and as you rake it bounces the pins and you're going to set a couple you may set on a single rake you may set all of them yeah I mean I've literally opened some of these on one rake you set all the pins and it opens up it's hard to see but I don't even know if you can see it there it's a squiggly shaped piece of metal really nice things about the snake pick I particularly like also is the fact that not only is it great for raking, but the tip can also be used for setting each individual pinup I have to, it can be a little bit more difficult but if I'm set up with only one pick then sometimes this is my pick of choice what type of pinup is spring steel yeah, hard-pulled spring steel and you know, it's got flexibility to it it's flexible but it won't bend or break and it won't come back to the same position it's a tension bar like this yeah, it's a torque wrench or tension bar okay, I'll get to that no, I will talk about getting picks um, no, it's really not that hard oh, can I go to the internet? get them on the internet why go to the internet? we can get them down the street yeah, get them down the street when you can make them yeah, I mean my favorite picks first of all, you can get in trouble for carrying lock picks with you okay, and you need to check your local laws in some places if you're not a licensed locksmith it's a misdemeanor and you'll get taken away, you'll get fined and then they'll say to me why did you have them my favorite pick I usually carry a paperclip and my Leatherman and I can open up any lock I just used the screwdriver portion of a Leatherman, or Leatherman rock I used this not yesterday, last year I picked the beer lock beer lock with my Leatherman and yes, he's Leatherman because I didn't have mine and I used this specific lock pick because I was going to do a rake and he said the rakes didn't work on this lock and I said okay, fine and I just used this and this specific lock pick I'll let him talk about it is used for pushing up every individual pin but Leathermans are awesome because all you have to do is if you have a paperclip you just pull out a little piece there you bend up the tip that you really want for your pick, it's not great for raking but raking is faster individual pins are just as good to take a little bit longer and then you can heat it up with a lighter throw it in some water, do a quick forge on it it makes it nice and stiff and hard okay, don't worry and then grab your Leatherman use the screwdriver's attention bar and I just go there with the paperclip do whatever I want and I can actually bend that paperclip back up put it back in my pocket and no one knows anything what was the beer lock? I was missing all of it here the beer lock the beer lock it's just a freak as far as I'm concerned I think it's a master beer lock I picked it up at Home Depot I didn't expect to have any problems with it but it's just been consistently a bitched pick and means that I'm positive in your training yes, yes, yes, I love it I truly do I won't say any sexist remarks but I think it's got, I think the very last 10 and the far back is really deep for some reason and it's just very difficult to rig so you can't rig it Hobbit I'm sorry folks it would be an evil corporate master here they're giving away the Larry shirt somebody wants to enter more apple last minute we've got the time and faith in Olivia keep laughing more than ever oh well there's one kill him kill him my minions we're working for the National Security Agency please, I'm seeking a link in the information you need please there you are thanks priest after the convention last year I took this home and I worked on it and I was able to pick it so I feel redeemed it just takes a long time tell me why it wasn't given out though Well, I made it to be a lock because I couldn't pick it originally. We did it in 25 minutes. Hobbit took about 15 minutes to pick it. Now, Hobbit, if you don't know, he's a good lock pick. He's hidden in the room, but I can't find him. No, I know where he is. I'll get by this bottom. And he's made his own picksets. He's written some good articles on lock picking. Is there usually a problem when you can't break a lock? It could be. It could also be the pins themselves. Sometimes the pins are designed not to be rigged. It's got to come to a lock that has double-sand on each side. Let me hold up the... I guess I don't have a picture of that. Those are even easier to pick because you've got more shear lines. They do some funky things to some of the pins to make them more secure. They put grooves in them. They make them mushroom-shaped so that when you lift the pins... I want to point out a specific thing. I actually saw this on the Discovery Channel. No, hey, don't laugh. Discovery Channel rocks, man. You can learn a lot from that damn thing. They were talking about the Alcatraz Island. They had an escape attempt. The main door that goes to the outside has a special lock on it. This was way, way back in the 30s or something like that when Alcatraz was being used a lot more. I mean, think about it, way back into the 30s. This lock was very interesting. What inmates did is the overpowered guards grabbed every key on the thing and went over to the door and tried every single key. The lock was designed that if they didn't have the right key, they would disable the lock. It destroyed the lock by putting the wrong key in the first time. So even if they had the right key with them, by putting the wrong key in there the first time, it destroyed the lock completely. The lock was unrecoverable. They had to rebuild the lock from scratch. It was designed to completely destroy it and destroy the lock. And there's actually, if you think that it's not being used today and certain things, you're for yourself. I actually got a hold of a padlock that was designed like that was a prototype where if you put the wrong key in there and turned it, it destroyed the lock and you had to have the lock completely cut off. The way... Don't pick those. I've never seen a discovery special though. I'd love to. The way a lot of those tend to work... The way a lot of those tend to work is with this... This being your standard pin cylinder, you have the chamber that holds the pins and the springs up here. A lot of times, actually probably not in the case of the Alcatraz lock, but I'd have to know more about it, they have another chamber over here such that when you put the key in and rotate it, it will insert some pins up, insert some pins down. Things will move around. And then when you take that key out, it will no longer work because it's got an entirely set, a different set of driver pins. And this is used a lot of times in hotels and various construction sites, so they can have a key that works for all of the maintenance people. And then when the maintenance people leave, they go through with another key, rotate it, and it automatically resets the lock. For the Alcatraz, it actually destroyed the pins. The Alcatraz was actually called the Big House on the Discovery Channel. So if you ever get a chance to see it, it was called the Big House. And I recommend it, it was actually pretty fascinating. There have been a couple of discovery specials on Alcatraz, and everyone I've seen thus far has been really good. Yeah. What about medical locks? I'm sorry, I can't hear you. Medical locks. Okay, I'll probably have other people to know. They're difficult to pick because I believe you have to lift and rotate the pins. There are commercial picks that allow you to do that, to lift and rotate the pins. So they are pickable, but you're probably going to spend a lot of time doing it and probably spend a lot of time practicing to get them. I've done a five pin medico. I know at least two people, maybe three people that have done six pin medicos. It takes a long time, and you need to think about the problem differently. If you've gone through Gordney's talk last year or the MIT Guide to Lockpicking or any of the Eddie the Water Books, the basic approach is the same, but you need to change how you think about it a little bit and come up with a way to rotate the pin. I don't know the math, but with a six pin lock you've got so many different combinations if you've got nine different heights per pin, assuming no mastering. When you add to that that each pin can be either centered or rotated left or right by 15 degrees, I think, then it just increases the number of permutations you have. Pardon? And there are fewer feedback mechanisms to know whether you've got the right rotation or not. So it's a little trickier. I want to point out something. Locks are just like computer security. Nothing is foolproof. There's no rule such thing as computer security and there's no rule such thing as a pickable lock. Any lock that disables itself is like a security system that actually removes itself from the network. You can get through anything, period. I mean security in computers is designed to actually slow somebody down more than it is to actually prevent them from getting in. Same thing with locks. All it is is a slow down process. Did you hear? Sort of adding on to that. Locks really do keep honest people honest. If you want to get through the lock, the lock is nothing more than an annoyance. A lot of people fairly regularly ask me, you know, what's the best lock to put on my front door? And I would not say quick set, but I would... Yeah, Doberman would be a great thing because you can put a really high security lock on your front door and people who know what they're doing are going to look at that and say, oh wow, he's got a high security lock. I'll just throw a brick through the window. And you know, that obviates the lock. There's now another path into the house. And you've wasted 50 bucks on it. Exactly. And remember too that a high security lock does you no good if you put it on like a wood hollow door, hollow core door. Or even a metal door with an unreinforced frame. They're just going to kick it down or go through the window. So if you're thinking about secure applications, you've got to think about all the other methods of entry. You've got to steel reinforce the frame with extra long bolts. You've got to cover all the other areas. So they really do, it keeps honest people honest. And that's about it. One thing? Yeah, one thing. I'm a security consultant by day and sometimes by night. And I've got a customer that is a small but growing financial institution and at the main offices for their technical center they've got a very sophisticated card key access system with an electronic latch and a big glass door. And it turns out that to get in there with my Swiss Army knife takes seven seconds at most to get in and retract the lock. And if that doesn't work, I throw a brick through the glass window. Because whoever installed all that just didn't think about things. And it's more just thinking about the problem and really dealing with it in a proper way. Okay, I did find a slide that shows various types of picks. This top one is your classic diamond, half diamond pick. It's got a short point on it so you can find the pins and lift them individually. The second shape down here which is a rake shape. You can use it for raking and scrubbing or setting pins individually. It has more of a rounded top. And then the snake shaped rake is this guy here and that's the one I prefer for scrubbing. And down here is some of the torque wrenches either straight or with a 90 degree twist on a handle. Most of the sets come with the least set I have comes with one of each of these. The straight ones are a little bit heavier steel. The one with the twist is a little bit lighter steel so you can bend it and adjust the torque a little bit more. Let's see. Buying pick sets. I wanted to hear about buying pick sets. You can go down to flip open your yellow pages and look for spy stores. You'll probably find one in any large city or town. There's one here in Vegas. They're probably sold out of pick sets now. But they usually sell out pretty fast. The biggest to get picks is the spy shop. Look it up. It's pretty easy to find. It's down near Sahara in the strip. It's not exactly on the strip. It's a little west of the strip I guess. But it's down to the north end of the strip. But they're out. So you can go down to the spy store. Cash, cash and carry buy pick set. They'll ask you to sign a waiver that I won't do bad stuff and you sign Joe Blow. And you can walk out with a pick set. You can also go on to the internet. There's probably hundreds of vendors on the internet. I know there's lockpick.com or lockpicks.com. You can get them up there. And then you always have the option of making your own. Making your own, you can do it custom. Have it exactly the way you want it. If you're starting, I just go out and buy a commercial pick set that's the smallest, cheapest that you can find. And because I've got a 15, I believe it's a 15 piece majestic pick set here. And he stopped showing off. I just showed those to you. Yeah, these are speculation handcuffs. You can see the little dock there on the back. And these are really, really nice. If that dock gets in there, there's more of a world of trouble. But as you can see, the process here for getting those done is pretty damn fast. So just cross in. Cross out. You're going to... Okay, back to a pick set. They said that we're not going to interrupt any more. 15 piece pick set. Maybe $30 a spice store. Less if you mail order. Yeah, probably. You get this 15 piece set and what it's going to come down to is two pieces. Your snake rake, if you like that or whichever pick you prefer and one torque wrench torsion bar, whatever you want to call it. And this is your basic set. There's also a nice pocket switchblade style set that I've been seeing and I've been wanting to get. Very small, thin. It's got like three picks that fold out and a torque wrench. And that's... $34.95 at the spice shop. Okay, so you can get those there. This is on my Christmas list. Little teeny tiny confetti in your wallet if you want. This part slides off. You pull the torsion wrench out and then I think it's got a snake and a... It's got like five... Oh, that many, okay. Four. Four. Slide that back up to lock it in. And you're ready to go. The thing I don't like about these is it goes on anywhere and you find a little bit of play there that can just kind of annoy you. You can deal with it but if you're just starting out that might be sort of more than you need. You'll find out that a lot of sets have duplicate picks and duplicate you will break that. There's another option you can... Some places will sell picks individually so you could buy just this if you want. Just some commentary. Well, I actually kind of covered it already. The myth that criminals pick locks. No. They're going to smash a window. Why would you spend the time to ruin a skill when you can take a baseball bat or a brick, go through a window, grab what you want and be out of there faster probably than just picking a lock? So I put my personal opinion is that it's a myth. And certainly with the security that we have on this, it's non-existent so it's not an issue. Before I try to pick some locks and embarrass myself. Some references. MIT Guide to Lockpicking. There's a very good reference. There was Ted... Ted T-Tool. Ted T-Tool and then there was another one. There's someone in the wire. The wire? Eddie the wire? Which I think you can probably get at the... Yes. Yeah. And the Spice Shop will do too. Yes, and the Spice Shop will carry several books on lockpicking. The MIT Guide is... And the MIT Guide you can find on the internet in various formats. PDF, PostScript. I mean, just assemble. Just assemble. Just assemble. That's against your license and agreement. On the better locks, you can pull the whole unit out and you can unscrew the pin holes and dump those out and take it all apart. Actually, on this side here, maybe... I'll hold this. Yeah. I've taken a lock apart. This is a real cheap probably file cabinet or desk drawer lock. It just had a small silver of metal over the top to hold the pins and strings in. I just pulled that out. Everything just falls apart. And you can get a good idea of all the parts in here and an idea of how they look. You know, I've lined the key up to the key pins here so you can see how they're raised up. What about the fire locks? The fire locks. Depends on the car. I've seen some cars that have truly double-sided locks. All your keys are going to be double-sided. You'll take a look at the key and it's going to have ridges on one side and on the other side. Yeah. There's various ways to get into a car, too. Some of the cars only truly have single-sided locks on them. The double-sided key is just for your convenience so you don't have to think of which way to put it in. So on the single-sided locks, they're really no more difficult to pick than any other lock, although the little QA guard flap is kind of a pain in the ass to move out of the way when you do it. On the double-sided locks, you're getting into different territory. You've got to pick one side and then go back and pick the other side or you can get special pick sets that are double-sided. Also, with a lot more of the common locks, with a lot more of the common auto locks these days, which I haven't actually played with that much, they incorporated a feature that is common in medicos, whoever asked the medical question, that we didn't actually get into. It's a feature called the sidebar. Starting in 1984 and a half, midway through 1984, a lot of, I think it was GM cars started using a sidebar on their higher-end cars and that just makes picking them a real pain in the butt. One more quick comment. Ask me later. I know a guy who was sitting at some place and someone locked their keys to their trunk and the guy said, you know, I can get your trunk open for five bucks and the lady sat there and said, okay, sure, and he grabbed a big old screwdriver, slammed it in and turned it and opened the trunk up and it goes, I'll be five bucks and she goes, you ruined my lock. He goes, you didn't say I couldn't ruin your lock. He said, you wanted to get in your trunk. It's very easy. You could also, of course, go and buy, I think they also sell for makes and models key sets. There's only, you know, maybe 15, 20, I don't know how many variations on the lock and you can go down in the store and that key ring has all the keys on it. One set that you can't buy and I forgot which model, but one auto model you can't buy unless you're actually a licensed locksmith. But they also have those down at the spy stores. They'll have key sets also down there. Well, let's, let me endorse myself and try to pick some of these locks. Just in case. Just in case. I was actually, the last night I was severely impaired and I was picking this guy in about five seconds with no impairment. My general, when I teach people how to pick locks, I'm very big on Zen in the art of lock picking because it's really incredibly easy to overthink the picking and if you are doing something else like giving a presentation or really drunk or really stoned or I had somebody that... We're never stoned here. We're never stoned here. I had somebody who would recite Kubla Khan to somebody else in Xanadu did Kubla Khan while picking the lock and when you're not thinking about it you can go through it in no time. If you're thinking about picking the lock nine times out of ten, you'll put too much tension in, you'll lift things too high, you'll just overthink it. See, I'm the other way around. I focus completely on the lock and I think I visualize every individual pin and that's how I pick the lock so you've got to find out what works for you. I don't do as well when I'm not thinking about it as is if I'm concentrating. Because when you're underwater and you're holding your breath you really need to concentrate. For whatever it's worth, he went through this lock in 30 seconds last year. I've yet to go through it so you pick which thing works. It's going to be 15 seconds, but I lost that last pin. I did say the guys at hackseq.org gave me a really cool lock and I think I'll bring that next year and I think that's going to have to be the tequila lock. It is a huge piece of brass that has three tubular locks on it. Oh my God. You have to, two of the tubular locks have to be rotated to get out of the way of the bolt. The third one pulls the bolt back. Each tubular lock is keyed differently. I saw it. So that would be the tequila lock. Next year. Basic question. How do you know which stretch the tubular lock is? Which way do you put the pressure? 50-50. It didn't go one way? Try it. It is. Sometimes it depends on the lock. This one will rotate both ways. It is happy and dumb and happy to rotate either way. Only one way will actually pull the bolt back. I know which way. But if you come across lock you have no idea. It is a guess. Some of the locks are designed only to go one way. You can feel by just putting the torsion ball in and turning it. The right way will be squishy because it is pressing against the pins. The wrong way will be a hard stop because there is a physical hard stop there so you can feel which way it is supposed to go. But on this one, which will go both ways, it is 50-50. I will try that. If you screw up, when you get the pins, you just put a row of tension and you pop that down. I will try that. I am out of the work. I am out of the work. I want you guys to be here. I am out of the work. I want you guys to be here. I am out of the work. This is exactly the same. The pins are going to be different. The pins are going to be different. Thank you. That is the best I can say. It is going to be different. It is going to be manufactured. It has several different events. Even though it is the same key, different days for you. It is going to be better on different days than other days. How much you practice before that. It is very, like you said, very different. There. No, wait. You are up a lot. This one is kind of stiff. It is also in tumble. Just like these. I know how this will go. I know this one is a little stiff. I graphed it this one yesterday. Oh, did you? Yeah. Graphed it to a friend. Just as a religious side note, if you have a lock and it is sticking, go buy a tube of graphite. Never, ever, ever use WD-40. If you use WD-40 and I hear about it, I am going to come and kick your butt. Yeah, that. A lot of hardware stores will sell a tube of graphite. This little tube is a buck and a half. It has lasted me about six years. Professional locksmiths that are doing it on a day-to-day basis will go through much larger things in three months. But I have been carrying this one around forever just to loosen up annoying locks. Like this one. Like this one. It will last a long time. Proper lubrication is your friend in many different situations. In many different situations. Graphite is, in essence, the industry standard. A lot of people use it to lubricate locks. WD-40 is liquid and will basically get in there and mix with graphite and then cause a really nice big sludge that causes the lock basically to be totally unusable. So, you know, in theory you could just use WD-40, but you never know when somebody is going to come along later and graphite it. And since graphite is the industry standard and actually works much better than WD-40, then if you use WD-40 you are just setting up to screw yourself later. So, if you didn't do it immediately when you used WD-40. And when you do graphite a lock, just squirt it in there and then take the key and insert it several times, which works the graphite up into the cylinder chambers and in between the pins, et cetera. How about just took off? He had to catch a plane. I wish he was here to talk about it because I've only just experimented a little bit with it. These are simplex push button locks. Hobbit has a great paper. It's complicated because the lock itself is complicated, but if you read through the paper and you have a lock in front of you, it makes a lot of sense. Basically, what you've got is a series of buttons. Each button can be pressed once. You can also press buttons two at a time. As you turn the knob, you feel that it breaks out. It'll break out at a certain point. What you're going to do on this is you're going to torque the knob to as much torque as you can give it just prior to the breakout. You're going to feel the buttons. You're going to feel for tension on the buttons. Each of the buttons is spring loaded. You're going to feel for extra tension. You're going to feel the mechanism inside binding. It's going to feel hard. That will give you an idea of which buttons are going to be in the combination. You can then press in the hardest button. Feel which buttons have hardened up since then. You go through that process and through some good deductive guessing, you can get the combination. Also, it's just a matter of practice. What is the paper? Aden.org. It's there. If you do a search for Hobbit and Simplex locks at your favorite search engine, it'll probably turn up. I'm glad these guys are having problems with this. There's one other lock over here. This is a disc wafer style lock. You're going to find this a lot on cheap desk drawers, file cabinets, any cheap kind of locking mechanism. They're in through the same as a pin tumbler. They use disc wafers of different heights. Oh, he's done. They basically work like a pin tumbler. It's the same method. The pins feel a little different, but the picking method is exactly the same. Honestly, I may or may not have just picked that. It's incredible. It's loose. I didn't put it in there. Let me try. I rotated it, but it may have been the entire lock cylinder rotating, so I don't want to take credit for something I didn't do. There's a pin joint in here, so there's just a file opening up. I'd open that, but there's a pin. Vibrators can be your friend, but really just do it yourself. In many different situations. Well, this one's easy to do. I'm not going to mess with anyone else. It's too loose. Yeah, it's mounted in a really loose. I did a shitty job of mounting it. Yeah, you can buy electric pin vibrators, little squeeze trigger picks. They work on the same premise. Basically, when you're raking, it's vibrating and popping the pins as you put a little torque on it and setting the pins for you. You can get them, but what do you learn? You don't learn much. Pick it yourself. Get a pick set. Going back to the whole pick issue, my really strong recommendation is that you go to a hardware store, get a quick set or something, learn how to take it apart, put it back together, see how it works, understand how it works. From there, get the MIT Guide to Lock picking, figure out how to make a pick that works for you. The commercial picks, many people like. Personally, I don't like them. I find the handles kind of annoying. The feedback isn't as good. There are problems with them. I like making my own, which end up looking kind of like that out of 14 gauge DT stainless steel bike spoke. Many people use street cleaner bristle. Basically, if you know the problem, then you know how to attack it. If you just buy tools, you know, what's the difference between that and being a script kitty? It's sort of the whole same thing. I strongly advocate understanding how the lock works and what it's trying to do because this quick set here is a pretty standard thing. We don't actually have anything terribly special here. But that gives you the concepts. And then when you run into something like a medico, you can see how it differs from the norm and figure out how to adjust your technique to be able to deal. And I think that's really valuable. What was the thing with the lock you were having a problem with? Oh, this one? This one? Yeah. It's just a single bit. It was a master. It's a die coke. Actually, yeah, it ended up being a die coke. It's just a master lock. It's not any more secure than any other lock. It just happened to be. That one was a freak. That's all. So it's not advocating at any secure than any other ones. You go down the Home Depot. Any door set there is a cinch to pick. So you're not going to find a high security door set at Home Depot or home base or any of your home stores. You've got to go to a locksmith or somebody who knows about secure locks. One other thing. This was a master, he said. What happens a lot is a lot of various locks are difficult to pick because they're made high quality, good machine tolerances, et cetera. It has generally been the case that the standard master padlock is a real pain in the butt to pick because they're so sloppy and they do such a poor job that it's very easy to overthink them if you know how to pick locks. But looking on the laminated masters is not necessarily the best thing to do because you'll probably actually find it harder to deal with if you're thinking about it too much. There have been relatively well-known stories about a common master padlock that a number of people who knew how to pick locks couldn't get through. They went and explained how to pick locks to somebody that had never done it and that guy went through it in two minutes because he didn't know how to overthink it. So there is such a thing as too good a lock, there's also such a thing as too bad a lock and they both offer different levels of security. Question? Two below locks? Two below locks. Yeah, they... like do you see on Coke machines? Not that you would ever try to get into a Coke machine, right? Yeah, they actually require special types of picks. You can pick those up. I've seen people who have made them but I don't know how effective homemade tubulars are. Homemade tubular picks do work. They take a lot longer. There are semi-automated picks that can do it in, you know, 10 seconds and they're pretty cool in design. The actual picking process is exactly the same as any of these but you actually have to approach it a little bit differently. So when you go off and you learn what is necessary and what you're actually doing when you're picking one of these locks you can sort of take that approach and apply it to a tubular lock and at the very least know what you need to do. Okay. Well, we're going to wrap it up. The presentation material that I had which is actually the presentation from last year is up on digitaltrash.org and you can go get that from up there. On our side note, we actually have some t-shirts to give away. These are digitaltrash.org t-shirts and what we're going to do is we're going to ask you questions and people who answer the questions correctly will get t-shirts and feel a nice hard lock picking thing that we covered and ask a question. Name the types of pins in the pin tumbler and which parts they touch. I mean, which engage... Tell me the difference between the two of them. That's right. Do I have the pins that are up on top? Extra. Driver pins are up on top being pressed down by the springs. Keep pins around the bottom. They're the ones of different lengths and they're the ones that engage in the lucky. All right, we're going to do an easy one. What was my time for picking the beer lock? Keep going, too. Large or extra large? Extra. We have a Dante question for you. This is the whole point of having a degree in English so you can ask a room full of geeks questions and have them give you blank stares. In the Divine Comedy, in the Inferno, circle two, canto five. Who are the lovers in the circle of lust? Come on, it's really easy. That is not the correct answer. Anyone? Anyone? Me? No, I'm lying. No. Okay, you get a shirt just for being smart-ass. Large or extra large? Joni loves chatty, but chatty shows some other things. Chatty has issues. Yes. Okay, well, the correct answer is Paola and Francesca. What are you going to say? No. Another question? What's the important thing to remember when you're picking handcuffs? Give that man a T-shirt. Large. Here's a nifty, here's another one. What's the nifty thing I can do with my shoulders? Jesus Christ. Give it to the guy in the red hat there. Only once. I can do that. I've got a slightly difficult question here that if you heard me ask this question Friday in the other room, you're immediately disqualified because I eventually told you the answer. If you have a door with three knobs, how do you open it? You only have two hands. How do you open it? Nope. Nope, no blue force. Give the man a shirt. Large or extra large? Large. The general answer is if you read any of the texts on picking locks, what you're going to do is you're going to take advantage of mistakes in machining. So you're going to pull on the door or push on the door, depending on which way it opens. Find the first door knob that binds, turn it, push more, and then address the next knob. And if you do that in theory, you can do it with three knobs, five knobs, a whole bunch of knobs. And 4.2 BSD, the seminal configuration, came to the wizard's password. What is the wizard's password? Where's the suite then? Where's the door and the next one? Come on. You guys are hackers. This got you shell on almost any unix machine on the internet back then. Yeah, they're back there. D-Mail sucks. Nope. The next one begins with Wiz. The answer is Wizzy was. Can anyone tell us what response back when you typed the wrong password was? Okay, the rest of first... You asked me to write it longer than wizard's number ring. Keep it safe. Okay, another one. What's process zero and one under BSD Unix? Close enough. Officially it'd be Swapper, but that's a current process. Yeah, good size. First time you picked a lock. All right. Witness the declowering. Give my shirt just for picking a lock. Large extra large. Come on, Large. Okay, I got one. You can do it. Okay, since we've determined that y'all can't read, I have a movie question. Okay, you have all seen The Godfather? Yes. Okay. In the baptism scene, you know, where Sonny Corleone is getting his inner cut with Michael Corleone doing the baptism thing, who is the baby? Who plays the baby? No! Yes, give that man's shirt. Sophia Coppola, and it was the highlight of acting career so far. What do you think of DOC? All right. This is a very, very difficult question here. What's your opinion of DOC? Right there. They will give him a shirt. Large extra large. I got it. Okay. Here's another one. What's the one thing you never put into a lock? What? It will make sludge when you get to the graphite. Correct. Give him a shirt. That's exactly right. All locks already have graphite in there. If you just spray WD-40 in there, it will make sludge. You will not open that lock. That is real crunching. That is real crunching. It's good with milk. Large, large, large. Okay. What are two of the picks I normally carry with me at all times? Raise hands only. Two hands off. You actually bring the keys for that. No. What do I normally carry with me at all times? That's fine. All right. Green shirt. Tacky thing. Correct. Give him a shirt. Name two materials that you use to make your own picks. Back there. You got it. Bicycle spoke and street cleaner bristle. This person has to be answered by a large person. Okay. This person has to be answered by a large person. We need an extra large person to answer this next question. Just a large person. A large person will be good. Not an extra person. What's the matter with you? Are we out of axels? No. Okay. Oh, wait. I got one. What is the fastest land animal? Raise your hand. Oh, I'm leading this one. I'm leading this one. She had it wrong. No. I'm leading this one. Right here. What? The gazelle. Correct. Questions. Oh, okay. All right. Now, now because me and Shipley have actually done some research on this. All right. What species of fireflies in the United States? More than 1. 37. No. You're actually close. It's 127 different species. Okay. Here's a good one. What medical group has a bounty on fireflies and is paying by the pound? No. It's a specific research group. Actually, there's two of them. So either one of them will get... I'll get it for you. Anybody? One of them is cancer research and the other one would be... No. AIDS. AIDS. Correct. Give them a short. They're actually using the chemicals that they use in fireflies and they're finding out that it attacks the different cells. Okay. Here's a good one. Why would a female firefly mimic the flashing pattern of a different firefly? What? Male. Yes. They're other species of males. Well, we have firefly people. It's a whole security question. All right. Here's a loaded one. Who here is willing to buy us all a beer for a T-shirt? Right there in the back row. Back row. You're obligated. All right. Get down in a shirt. Keep going. Let's do it. Whoo! Let's bring this guy up next. Look at it. Security question. Security question here. Okay. Under sonnass, three, two, name at least one unpassworded account that's defaulted a system without a root password. Four. All zinc. All zinc. All zinc. All zinc. All zinc. All zinc. All zinc. All zinc. All zinc. Assisted act. Come on, these guys. Okay. Okay. Here's another loaded question. What is Lady Macbant's first name? Lady, Lady. And推ամ不用. Nope. I'm a man of language. No. No. I don't read. Aww Aww. Do you hear shit? I have no accent. No, we don't read. No, we don't read. It's never mentioned anywhere in the play. Okay. Anyone actually make my virus talk yesterday? Yeah. Okay. What is my favorite virus? Get that man a shirt. Okay, why is it my favorite virus? Raise your hand. No, not because it's cold. You should know this. Virus is more fun. What do you do? We close. I close. It's my favorite because it encrypts the partition and fat information of the drive which means that if you remove the virus incorrectly you lose everything. Get that man a shirt. You lose everything. All right, what is the nastiest virus? the type, the nastiest type of virus between a stealth polymorphic or encrypting polymorphic give them a shirt okay why are polymorphic viruses so damn nasty raise your hand in the back that's correct they change the code every time they replicate the give them in a shirt true or false question raise your hand last shirt last shirt all right that's a large this is a true or false question raise your hand I'm gonna make this really cool if you get it wrong you owe us a beer all of us yeah double jeopardy for the last shirt here if you answer wrong you owe us all a beer if you get it right you get a t-shirt and you don't know us a beer except for the guy back there already owes us all beers we're having lots of beer today I'm gonna have breakfast but damn I'm gonna have a beer now remember what I was gonna say that got me that sidetracked true or false it is impossible to be infected with more than one boot sector virus at a time actually you know what I'm gonna make it difficult true or false when there's an team with an anti-vest partition cannot get a boot sector virus why is it false you have to answer the full question now why is it false that's not the answer when you were these are not the George Lee for this that's close enough and I'll actually explain the answer go ahead and give him a shirt that was very close with an NTFS partition drive it is impossible to infect the drive with a boot sector virus because you it requires real mode access and then to use with real mode access with NTFS partition but if you build a boot floppy in case of emergency so you can actually recover data off an NTFS partition drive that floppy is not NTFS it's fat so if you infect the boot floppy with a boot sector virus you will infect the drive for the boot sector virus and you still won't get your data everything's dead so who is his beers thank you very much