 It's so stupid it's positively bruised The end of the day bro, I'm I'm in hip-hop. I'm a white guy and I'm talking a whole lot. Are you white? I didn't know you was white bruh. Yeah, well, I'm sorry. I feel like you were white at the end of 2019. Cecillian. Yeah, that's what I am. You're the blackest white. I agree. But this is the off-white of off-whites. I don't even like to be called white. Bro, but the Cecillians, they got a little black in them. Well, if you go back to the Moors and the Moors were out there not asking permission. Yeah, that's a real like it's when you do the Ancestry on it's like the Moors came to Sicily Look over that's why Italians went from blonde hair blue eyes to dark hair and dark eyes. But the perception I get what you think. Yeah, but white guy long hair. Yeah, and that's what it is And so I understand it's like yo, like let's just call it what it is. Culture is a euphemism for black. Urban is a euphemism for black. So when you have a white guy coming into the culture of black space trying to speak on black things, it's like bro shut up You might be right, but we don't want to hear from you, which I absolutely understand and I get so that's why I've seen you post post that I've commented on like yeah, I'm glad Russ. I can't remember the exact post what it was. It was something about Everybody should say the n-word or something. No, shut up Yeah, Nigerian, that's what White artists in culture was something I can't remember exactly what it was. Everybody gave you props for that though probably about how I was talking about Just label owners are these white guys That's what it was who sign black kids that they wouldn't even want their kids hanging out exactly. They just do it to make the money Um, which is true. And that's why it's like, you know, white people historically steal from black culture Right, that's a fact. So America was founded off of terrorism and thief So it's like that's that's all cultures, right? I don't think there's any culture Well, no, but you got to like you got to look at the Roman Empire, right? They didn't do that But you got to look at like even you got to look at even how what the 2020 White girl wants to look like Yeah, she wants to look cool. No, she wants to look black. Well, that's the fine cool That's that's what we're attracted to cool like no, but like the problem is that the same thing That black women will get Uh hindered from which are just natural beautiful black features. It won't be accepted It's the same thing white people will use to sprinkle on to their Whiteness to just look right cooler 100% I guess I guess what I think it we get lost in the uh In the idea that black people are monolith, right? Because not all black people are going to dress the same or look the same, etc But cool is cool regardless, right? So like if you go to korea, you can see a bunch of korean kids Dressed like black kids dressing black kids doing fucking. What is it break dancing? Sure. You know, I mean got corn roast So it's like, oh, that's the cool culture. That's what we're drawn to I think I think now i'm probably speaking a little bit out of turn But I don't think black people have a problem with y'all doing that I think it's more about They have a problem with if y'all are doing that and being accepted then why when we do that we get chastised for that I think that's part of it. Also, um, not wanting people to revise history. You know what I'm saying? Like yo, this was the genesis of this culture. This was the genesis of this music It was rooted in blackness and a lot of times we all know they like to rewrite history And that's what it is and that's why it's like I understand that you know And that when I said like historically white people steal from black culture like when you look at hip hop hip hop was You know for us bias it was black created in black owned and it was created for black people And so when you have somebody white coming into it, right? It's kind of like here we go again You know and so I understand that it's delicate and it's and and until and if you're white in hip hop you have to contribute to Black culture in some sort of fashion. Otherwise, you are simply Repeating history by coming in to black culture using that as a medium to steal and profit for self Yeah, I think it's like anything else. You just got a you got a point where the originators Point where your inspiration came from like your inspiration came from This black artist that black artist. That's just to me. It's just like by paying homage to be honest No, that's cool. But you also I think it's also about the music You can't come into this from the vessel of hip hop And use the clothes and the language and the music and then go off and start doing something It's weird. Are you talking about post Malone? Uh, no, I mean I think sounds very posty. No, but I think that's like I think that's a fair example because I do think that that's It's an interesting thing to look at from that lens of where you know You come in with braids and golds to the point people are thinking you're mixed and now, you know You drink bud light and wear cowboy boots Which is like like your music's phenomenal. I think post Malone's music is phenomenal But I think I think the caricature of how it came in Compared to where it is now seems a little seems a little it's a little White Iverson white again. Yeah, just you know saying white Iverson was his first song Yeah, but he makes smart the thing is the thing is he he makes great music, you know Makes great music and he's super talented But yeah, I just think certain things like that, you know, those are fair critiques as far as like yo It feels like you came in And used hip hop because it's the coolest genre and the coolest Look and aesthetic you used it to propel yourself to the forefront and then you revert it back to who you really were You know, which I and shit on hip hop in the process. Yeah, so I think that's a fair critique, but Um, that's why I feel like for me. I just think it's going to be time And as far as like man russia's been putting out quality hip hop like I feel like I do hip hop justice. I don't um I don't make a mockery of it. I don't Portray any negative stereotypes. I don't feed into it like I could go and put post myself in the gucci store spending 30k Because even though gucci's racist, I'm white they're not racist to me so I could do it But at the same time if I'm in hip hop culture, which is black culture and gucci's being racist I can't be in the gucci store blowing 30k I do because otherwise it's just like Oh, so you get to eat off of hip hop culture But when someone is being disrespectful towards it, you're like no that they're not being just respectful towards me I'm white. Yeah, so even when you see other black artists still wearing gucci and stuff You'll still say nope. I'm not gonna do it. I can't because then it just looks like it looks like it's all pros and no cons for you You know, so I just think you got to just be aware of what's going on. I just feel like I do hip hop justice by speaking Uh about the ownership of what needs to happen because I also think that the solution to young Disadvantaged black kids getting taken advantage of by white label owners Black information is lack of information and the solution is ownership the solution is is Owning your music putting it out the internet having your fans shooting the videos that are going on Talk like you don't have to deal with them, but the solution is ownership Um, so I just think I just think that I do do hip hop justice I have a message like and I've said it before like y'all talk about you know Which is fine spending $13,000 in the gucci store I brag about 13,000 hard tickets And I feel like if that makes me arrogant then I suggest you move the goalposts because why is $13,000 in a gucci store Towards a company who doesn't like black people. Why is that received so much better than somebody saying you should be bragging about something 13,000 tickets Do you guys think question? Do you guys think in the future? Like rap music will just become so synonymous with American culture That someone like you won't feel like an outsider in it in the same way that like I think is there no basketball Is so synonymous with american culture. I don't think it's a bad thing to feel like an outsider I think that's white people's problem. Here's the problem with white people right like everything about Everything white people are included in everything hip-hop's the one thing Insane the n-word is the thing that they're not included in and they feel just like disgusted stupid hill to dial and it's like It's like yo for once, you know what? Yeah, this isn't for you It's not by you and that's what it is and it's okay to feel like an outsider like minorities have been the outsider to everything forever So, you know what if hip-hop is the one thing where white people are the outsiders in I don't know if that balance should shift I'm fine with being the outsider. I just want to contribute in a positive way and I do want my credit For contributing in a positive way now. I would understand right If I came into this face-tatted rock like wearing the hip-hop costume great You know face-tatted and I'm talking about this type of Shit and I'm doing this just you know if I was on that type of aesthetic, but uh, I'm not A gimmick. I'm not making a mockery of hip-hop or black culture. I'm trying to do it justice by Uh, you know staying true to the message of hip-hop Which I think is is underdog and freedom and ownership And I just think that you know, I'm cool with being an outsider as long as it's acknowledged that I am trying to help If you if you want to grant me Say it wasn't the best What is the hip-hop rap category? Whatever. Yeah, if you wanted the one Tyler one, would you be upset? No, because I feel like the music that I make is hip-hop music. Yeah. Um, did you see what Tyler said? I do, but Tyler's spot-on and I've talked to me I've always said too that I just said in this interview too that culture in urban is a euphemism So that like white corporate people when you go to the label meetings And it's all these white guys who play softball on Sundays and they're like, you know our urban department It's like say what you really mean, you know urban is just another word I think they used to and then people were like, stop saying that