 Hi board member Garrett. Can you test your microphone and camera real quick for us please? I thought my camera was working. There you go. We can see you. Great. Can you hear me okay? I can hear you. I can't see you but I'll try. Oh yeah so staff the host and the recording secretary don't have their cameras on. Oh okay. So am I the first person? No there are a few other board members already gone. Oh good. Okay. Thanks. Hello. Thank you for joining us and it looks like you got your video and audio already worked. Thank you very much. We'll be starting here shortly. Jam user just so you're aware we are still awaiting one board member. Okay thank you. Could there be any confusion with the start time with that board member? We've sent emails and we've contacted them by phone so hopefully they'll be joining soon. Yeah we also posted a notice saying that we'd be starting at 2.30 so even if he had logged on at 2.30 he would have seen that so we'll just give maybe another another couple minutes and we've got a quorum so we can go ahead and start. Actually before we do start we're getting noticing notification that we are not broadcasting right now so I'm going to check with our media team and make sure everything's running before we start. Thanks. Can you pass update? Okay thank you once again. I thank everybody we are live now everything seems to be working so we're able to start when you are we are waiting for board member Gail but we do have a quorum. I'm not getting any response from board member Gail so I'm going to say let's go ahead and start the meeting and hopefully he'll join in. All right board members if you can all start your cameras. Jam user feel free to start whenever you're ready. It doesn't want to let me start my video. I was unable to start you can't start your video because the host has stopped it. Should be good now. There we go shall we begin? One moment. I'm board member Garrett are you able to start your camera? Board member Garrett are you able to hear me? We need you to turn on your camera. Well Jam user we still do have a quorum so if you want to proceed at your leisure. Okay well welcome all to the world of Zoom board meetings and we'll get we'll get through it. So some of you might be more experienced at this than others but we'll all manage. So I'd like to call the the meeting to order for the city of Santa Rosa Cultural Heritage Board. I have a couple of statements that I'll read perhaps that due to the provisions of the governor's executive order in 2520 and in 2920 which dispends certain requirements of the Brown Act and the order of the health officer of the county of Sonoma to shelter in place to minimize the spread of COVID-19. The cultural heritage board will be conducting today's meeting in a virtual setting using Zoom webinar. Board members and staff are participating from remote locations and or practicing appropriate social distancing. Members of the public may view and listen to the meeting as noted on the city's website and as noted on the agenda. Members of the public wishing to speak during item for public comment or during a public hearing item will be able to do so by raising their hand and will be given the ability to address the commission. At this time I'd like to ask for a roll call. Like the record reflect that all board members are present except Commissioner Gail and Commissioner sorry Board Member Gail and Board Member Fennell has has rejoined the meeting so only Board Member Gail is absent at this time. Next item business is approval of previous minutes. I don't believe we have any minutes that need to be approved. It's kind of a while since we had a meeting am I correct with that? That is correct we did not have any minutes needing approval. Okay at this time I'd like to open up public comments. This is a time when a person may address matters not listed on the agenda but which are within the subject matter of the jurisdiction. The public may comment on agenda items when the item is called. So if you want to comment if you're a member of the public listening in now and you want to call on an item that is going to be on the agenda later just hold your comment you'll get an opportunity and this is for non-agenda items. We will now open public comment for any item not included in this meeting's agenda. If you wish to make a comment via zoom please select the raise your hand button. If you are dialing in via telephone please dial star nine to raise your hand. Each speaker has three minutes a countdown timer will appear for the convenience of the speaker and viewers. Please make sure to unmute yourself when you are invited to do so your microphone will be muted at the end of that countdown. Recording secretary do we have any public comments? Thank you chair minister. No one is raising their hands at this time unless you know that we have three members of the public currently in attendance. Okay just a couple more minutes here for technology reasons. And while we did I did want to fix I misspoke currently Gail and Garrett are both absent but we've heard from Garrett there she's having computer issues will hopefully be on shortly and I'll adjust the roll call when she arrives. Okay okay I'll close public comment saying no public comment. Okay at this time we're going to move into board business. I will read our statement of purpose the cultural heritage board shall consider the following matters standards guidelines and criteria to the extent applicable in determining whether to grant or deny a permit whether the proposed change is consistent or incompatible with architectural period of the building whether the proposed change is compatible with any adjacent or nearby landmark structures or preservation district structures whether the colors texture materials uh fenstration decorative features and details proposed are consistent with the period and or are compatible with adjacent structures whether proposed change destroys her adversely effects an important architectural feature or features the sectarian the interior standards for rehabilitation and guidelines for rehabilitation rehabilitating historic buildings such other matters criterion standards as may be adopted by resolution by the cultural heritage board. Before I ask for board member reports I think I'm going to jump into um introducing our new board members we do have three actually four new board members and I'd like to give them an opportunity to tell us and the public a little bit about themselves and why they're interested in being on the cultural heritage board any thoughts that they might have so in no particular order I'm actually going to ask all of our board members to do this since that way it'll give new board members an opportunity to hear from existing board members um and and it is so um Henry if Henry Wang if if it's okay I'd like to start with you you'll need to unmute thank you hi yes um thank you my name is Henry Wang I am an attorney and also CPA and Realtor in town and I own properties in four of the eight historical districts and originally I am from Chicago and I moved here to Santa Rosa about 15 years ago and right before moving here I lived in Hong Kong and Shanghai for three years um and what what made me what made me interested in the cultural heritage board is I grew up in Oak Park which is kind of famous for Frank Lloyd Wright and so from a very young age I've been exposed to historical architecture and the preservation of it so I would like to contribute to this community um hopefully with you know based on my interests in you know preserving uh old buildings anything do you have any other questions chairman no thank you Henry and I I promise I I will try to pronounce your last name correctly next time I apologize and um and Maria let's go with it Maria Pretzelis it's a hard one uh Pretzelis uh so yeah my name is Maria Pretzelis and uh I actually grew up in the western neighborhood um if you know that neighborhood well um I grew up on it on 705 Madison street there's two enormous palm trees that you can see from all over the neighborhood and I planted them when I was two for a Mother's Day present um apparently they cause a lot of problems as things drop from them now so I feel bad about that um both my parents actually were historical archaeologists they did a lot of work uh in Sonoma County and in northern California so I kind of grew up immersed in that world um and then um as I was you know ready to start a career I kind of followed in their footsteps a bit and went into archives I have a graduate degree in history and I have been a professional archivist for 18 years now I work mostly in digital archives so I've done work in academic institutions business archives um non-profits and geos and I currently work for the University of California um Office of the President so we do kind of system-wide library work um around um data practices uh so you know obviously like historic preservation is kind of in my bones it's always been my passion um but I also have a sort of flip side balance to that is that you know a lot of my friends who grew up here are having a hard time affording housing and so I think affordable housing is really crucial to continue to really develop our wonderful city so I think balancing those two uh interests and is really important so I bring that to this group thanks thank you so much um uh Kathy Garrett we're gonna put you on the spot next you're muted Kathy sorry I'm Kathy Garrett and I know almost all of you um except for the new board member um Prate Solace um hi Bonnie hi Henry um and hi fellow board members from the past um I've been on and off the cultural heritage board um for a number of years this is my I think my fourth term um and I I sort of got my arm twisted to come back on but I've been involved in in um cultural heritage for I don't know a very long time I helped write a book about the um the um historic buildings of San Francisco many many years ago and when we moved to Santa Rosa in 1974 I immediately got involved in um trying to save the downtown of Santa Rosa and um and was involved in I don't know probably 20 committees either by the city or um independent committees to save various buildings and various um historical districts I lived in the mcdonald district for a very long time I still do I'm no longer in an historic home but um but I'm on I'm but I'm still in the neighborhood and I really care I care about all the neighborhoods in Santa Rosa they're all really the old neighborhoods the historic neighborhoods are really important to the fabric of our community and to um to tourism to um so much of what Santa Rosa has to offer today and if we lose these we will never get them back and um so I think I appreciate that time that everyone on this board is giving um to help protect and save um those historic districts intact and to try and make the historic districts work with um um current projects that need to be accomplished my background is in interior architecture and design which I did for I think 40 years um um I grew up in San Francisco in an historic home and um so that's it but and and thank you all for being here thanks chair muser sorry I have trouble with my mouse here thank you Kathy and uh Bonnie foreign thank you um I grew up back east in Rhode Island in New Jersey and always had kind of a really strong interest in historic buildings and homes so I grew up with that um I in the thought about going to architecture school but ended up going to art art school both undergraduate and graduate moved to New York City and our teacher and one of the things in my curriculum was to take my kids on walking tours of their neighborhood particularly in Harlem which has some incredible historic buildings and moved to San Francisco in 78 a completely different set of architectural standards um but interesting nonetheless I've been living in Santa Rosa for 25 years and um my interest in in as Kathy said in the neighborhoods has developed over those years so I'm very excited about joining this board and working to help preserve and also develop when necessary what we have in Santa Rosa thank you board member warm warm member fennel hi my name is laura fennel and I um this is my second term um I'm chris rogers uh uh representative on the board and I previously served as vice chair and I love these historic districts I live in the bourbon gardens and um I'm a real estate broker and I see the changes that are happening in our neighborhoods and the lack of knowledge that's given to people in real estate with regards to the rules and regulations and the responsibilities that come with these historic properties and also doing our best to protect them people pay more money for these homes and they they come with responsibilities and they also should come with some of the protections that we haven't seen as much of in the last few years with new development in in bill so that's about it thank you board member fennel recording secretary was steven gale was was he available or doing how anything we have not been able to get a hold of him at this time and he is not in the meeting right then okay um I'll introduce myself I'm I'm bram you sir I'm currently the the chair of the cultural heritage board um this is my first term I was appointed by tom schlechel and um I actually served on the cultural heritage board probably what it was probably 20 years ago for a time so it's kind of my second second round um my interest is is primarily in residential historic structures I've restored a a queen and victorian and the cherry street historic district also a bungalow in the cherry street historic district and currently restoring a craftsman bungalow and the bourbon gardens uh district so I've personally been through the landmark alteration process all the city permitting process all the uh steps that we often you know ask our applicants to go through so um having kind of that background I think really really helps it if nothing else it gives me some empathy for uh some of the applicants um and um uh I do have a real interest in historic architecture and uh primarily in residential and so for those reasons um um I asked to be able to serve on the cultural heritage board uh as well you know so that's about all I have so I think we're did I did I catch everybody make sure that's present um I want to take a moment before we move on um um Recording secretary is um past board member mark debaker is he with us yes um one one one one moment um if you don't mind can we take a quick recess absolutely thank you and um board members who are new when we go into a recess you're welcome to please turn off your cameras we're gonna put up a slide that says we're going into a recess and we'll um get back to you as soon as possible and uh if I can just chime in Mike or do you want 10 minutes would that be sufficient oh no go ahead if you have to know how long for the recess oh sorry um five minutes would be fine five minutes all right thank you thank you chair and user staff is ready when you are okay if we get cameras turned back on and then um um board member Garrett is back with us so you're aware and I've updated the minister if like that and um so I was I I I see um our previous board member mark debaker is is he um available and is it possible to turn his video on yes he's being promoted one moment okay uh uh mark yeah there he is I just mark I just wanted to take a minute um and and I know a lot of a lot of your fellow board members aren't aren't here with us anymore but some of some of them are and I just wanted to acknowledge and and if I haven't right 12 years to service on the cultural heritage board is that correct I think you're you're muted mark count can we unmute mark for now unmuted mark there we go is that better there he is okay is my mic turned all the way off okay is that is 12 years correct mark yes it is I'm pretty sure it's 12 it's been three terms uh so it's it's been a good good long run I I just I want to acknowledge um that tremendous service to the cultural heritage board and I I know when I started that my first meeting you pulled me off to the side and you gave me some great advice you gave me some great information of literature that I should get I'll have you know I have all those books that's that's that you recommended and uh and I'm hoping that uh you know I can kind of follow in your footsteps and and and keep holding the the torch for uh preserving our our neighborhoods you've definitely been the torch bearer for that thank you very much chair mozer I really appreciate your efforts this as well I formed some past board board member going to miss the regular meetings that we have done together uh over all those years cappy it's been a long time worth with cappy uh and pretty much appreciated working with her um it's a great support we've had from staff all these years some two board members if you've got questions please uh go ahead and take them to step very much encourage the new board members to take a look at those guidelines that have been made available to you make sure you understand what they're trying to say as well as the secretary of interior standards for rehabilitation are very good to use when these projects are to you uh and uh they will help you make this possible will serve our community so again thank you very much it's been a wonderful time on the board please look up for our neighborhoods there's a lot of pressure uh it started out uh 12 years ago with mostly minor modifications to uh uh residences in historic districts and is we have major battles with preserving historic windows and now you're seeing more and more of the large infill rates in historic districts so i wish you all the best thank you again i'd do any other board members i'd like to speak uh to mark i could raise hand cappy i'd just like to say mark you have been invaluable on the board and invaluable to the city and you will be sorely sorely missed and i hope you don't mind i will continue phoning you for um advice and information in the future even if you think you can escape in that beautiful vehicle you're in miss you any other comments mark i i've got a few oh for member fennel please go ahead no i i'm i'm you i absolutely love mark thank you so much for everything you've been there for me for my first meeting and i too will feel free to contact you in the future as i have in the past thank you for everything and deputy director rose yeah i just wanted to say mark thank you so much for your service it's been a pleasure working with you you've been a cornerstone stone to this board uh i think it's safe to say that many of your passport members that you've worked with have really deferred to you you're truly an expert uh but i think more importantly you're passionate about what you do and so it shows and we've had the pleasure to work on projects as well and uh and i felt the same thing so and cappy forgive me i'm going to disclose just a little something i know you said your arm was twisted and it was i might have been part of that arm twisting i think and i think part of the deal was that you were interested in coming back as long as mark was still here and i think the two of you have been a wonderful team so so thank you as well but mark best of luck and i hope you uh stay stay in touch with us as well and liason uh susie murray would like to yeah i'd like to chime in as well so mark i have worked with you both to both as the board liason and as a planner and i'd like to thank you that for the education that you've given me sometimes it might have been a little rough lesson but but i got it in fact i'll tell you i have a craftsman knockoff house that was built in 1992 and one by one i've gone around and replaced all of my aluminum or vinyl windows whatever they were with wood so that is um your influence i'm gonna put a sign out there and say mark was here anyway thank you very much for your time on the board it's so appreciated yeah mark you need to come by my house sometime and see my lit address sign uh let it glass in the post too so anyway okay well thank you again and and we'll uh we'll continue on unless anybody else has anything to say okay i think i i believe our next um item of business is to we need to select a vice chair for the cultural heritage board so at this time i'd like to open up uh nominations from anyone for the position of vice chair and it's actually the way it works best if you have an interest in being vice chair feel free to speak up because it might make the process work a little bit better so if you're interested in being vice chair or if you'd like to nominate someone to be vice chair let's hear from you now and maybe chair muser if i might just describe the role of the vice chair it's uh essentially it's to step in when the chair is either absent or must recuse him or herself and so largely it's an administrative function it's making sure we stay on on track with the agenda um it's interacting with the liaison ahead of time to make sure there's no surprises um so it's it's mostly that we definitely need a vice chair because there are occasions where the the chair will not be available and we need somebody in that function so um chair muser has done a wonderful job for those of you uh that have been on the board for a while i think you agree with that and for those of you that are new i think you're seeing it here tonight as he's conducting a great meeting so that's largely the role of the the vice chairs to step in when needed yeah and oftentimes too what will happen is in the case of like tonight if if one of us has to review ourselves from an item then the vice chair will run the meeting and then if the chair and the vice chair have to review themselves then then the staff will select someone to to chair the meeting so that can happen to especially since a lot of us live in historic neighborhoods where a lot of our items come from so nominations are interest uh kappy i um ordinarily would be interested in doing this but right now i'm having health issues and i have to be down at stanford to see the doctor i'm seeing on wednesdays it's kind of rare that i'm even here for this meeting um and i know that i have i'm scheduled out through june at least and i tell they figure out what's wrong with me um i'm uh i'm probably not gonna be available very often so anyway i'm taking my name out of the but that's my reason i would be happy to serve as vice chair again um i know that mark chair muser and i live in the same district and that can be difficult but it sounds like there's a lot of people in historic districts that are going to have issues um but i am i i will acquiesce if there's someone else i would second laurus staying on as vice chair she did a great job okay so we have a nomination um by board member garret for board member fennel for the position of vice vice chair do we have any other nominations or interest okay recording secretary if you can help me out with this so um at this point i'd like to close nominations for vice chair and um we have a single nomination of board member fennel um do we need to take a vote or can you please um restate the mover and seconder okay yeah you're right we didn't get a second we have uh the um nomination board member garret um do we have a second looks like board member boran is seconding the nomination i will second i also will say that i don't live in a historic neighborhood so if there's ever once i get the hang of this if there's ever a need i would certainly step in okay so we have a nomination and a second um seeing no further nominations i'll close a nomination for vice chair and um are we ready to take a vote sounds good thank you chair music so typically with all of our votes for our new members we go in alphabetical order followed by the vice chair and chair in this case i will start with um commissioner boran and when we call your name if you can unmute yourself and say yay or nay yay thank you board member fennel whoa board member gail is absent board member garret yay board member huang yay board member pretzelis yay chair muser yay okay congratulations laura add add it again so now we all get to say yay yay congratulations vice chair fennel okay and i i know that uh a lot of us are new to the board but at this time i'd like to open up uh board member reports do any board members have any reports they'd like to make they'd sing no hands and sing none i'll close board member reports um department reports blaze on murray i have a couple actually um the first thing i want to uh mention is that there will be a meeting on june second um so go ahead and mark your calendars accordingly good news is i'm getting texts but the bad news is everybody can hear um so we will have a meeting on june second um as far as i know that meeting will begin at 230 our regular start time uh we have the council chambers reserved and we are etched in stone there i also want to let you know that we are working on a few training sessions um hopefully the first one will be on june second um if not it will be on on the next the next agenda and that meeting is is that training is very important it's it's the brown act um where we'll talk about um you know conflicts of interest and what have you so it can be a dry subject but an important one for all board members um we're also working on a training for the downtown station area plan which has come before all the boards before but they are um this time it'll be really focused more on how that plan affects the cultural heritage board and some considerations for you guys so staff is busily working on that we're hoping for either late june or early july for that and stay tuned it'll be on the agenda as soon as as soon as we have that date and the materials ready so and then uh i think yeah i think that's i think that's it for me um you know what i want i do want to say thank you all for being on the board though um welcome to all of our new members i apologize for the confusion with the the meeting today we have conflict with the city council chambers and the city council meeting um so uh i very much very much appreciate your flexibility and your willing to serve and i'm looking forward to the time over the next couple of years and capi i was one of the people that also twisted your arm i know that and i've pleaded with you to stay on the board as well so thank you brian i couldn't do it without you so thanks all and congratulations laura and i'll shut up now yeah i i also want to congratulate all the new members and and just looking at our board what what a group of talented people that we have so i'm just really looking forward to having some very productive and successful meetings and in in the future um okay so and recording secretary if you can help me item 7.1 uh coming up it's my understanding that that has been pulled that that's going to be come to a later date am i correct if we can move to item six first statements of abstention okay i i just um wanted to make sure that the statements of abstention were for just item 7.2 since 7.1 um it isn't going to be before us tonight am i correct with that chair muser i think that the the opportunity you know item five with our item six with statements of abstention that anybody should report any go around the board and ask who everybody who needs to abstain from what projects okay okay i can do that um so under statements of abstention basically if you feel that you have a conflict with an item that's coming before us today if you could um uh basically um tell us you have a conflict and give us the reason why you have that conflict um so laura i'm going to start start with you since you've been down this road before uh yes um seven uh excuse me uh 7.2 on today's agenda is um within uh close proximity to my my house so 7.2 is um is something that i may have to be exempt from depending upon whether we need to have me in per susie murray so we'll go ahead and finish finish the um the statements of abstention and then i'll address that comment okay um henry huang yes i also need to um abstain from 7.2 as well because i own property that is under within 500 feet of 659 pine street thank you member wong um and board member pretzelis am i saying that right well it's not sorry about it um i don't need to abstain from anything board member karin i don't need to abstain either board member boran i also don't need to abstain and board member gail is not with us correct so um i need to abstain from both 7.1 and 7.2 i live kind of right in the middle of the uh of the district's farm within 500 feet of both of them and also um 7.1 the owner of that property is my cowl green inspector on my project that i have so i won't be able to um participate in either of these items so with that i'm going to hand it over to um ways on murray to give us direction what we need to do so i think uh chair muser i think it's time for you to leave the meeting because we're going to be moving into the public hearings let's see um i the statement of extensions extensions um for item for item let me explain something first for item 7.2 where there are not enough members to reach quorum due to conflicts of interest the fppc um or the or the fair political practices act and state law provide that a board member with a conflict of interest may participate in an item if his or her participation is determined to be legally required this is known as the rule of necessity and allows the board to reach a quorum by random means of selection the city's selection selection process is to have the recording secretary place the names of those conflicted board members into a hat and select a random name unfortunately today because we we don't have a board member gail with us we will not be able to do that process so 7 7.2 we will have to continue that item unless board member gail does join in in the next few minutes and um yeah we'll have to continue that to a date certain june 2nd and this item will be added to the next agenda as far as uh item 7.1 we've also requested our event we have received a request from the applicant um for a continuance to a date uncertain that because of that that that item will have to be renoticed when before it comes back to the board so it looks like both of our public hearing items will be continued public hearing items will be continued but i want to say that we had a very successful meeting in that we did get our vice chair elected okay well that's unfortunate i know that i know the applicant has been bumped down it can't spend kick down the road because the lack of quorum quite a while i do feel for the applicant and i apologize to the applicant i'm hoping that we will have a quorum um at our june meeting first part of june so with that i don't believe we have any other i can our uh chair muser can i interrupt again i'm i'm actually going to ask you to leave the meeting now and i'm going to ask vice chair fennel to take over we need to do a formal vote on item seven point one and you have recused yourself so i think from this point on she she can take over there and vice chair fennel i will i'll help coach i'll coach you through as much as i can on this i think uh once brian once chair muser leaves um we'll go ahead and have that vote call the vote okay we'll do well thank you all we'll see you at the next one so okay we need to just uh we'll need to take a formal vote um you can go ahead and call the vote and uh mr meloni will take care of that okay so i'm calling for a vote on tabling one second if we can do a point of order we first need to call seven and seven point one okay and then you can go ahead and do okay so seven point one is a public hearing on the cherry garage replacement landmark alteration 66 score charles street lma20-013 continued from april 7th 2021 and do you want me to read the background no that's not necessary i think what you do now vice chair fennel is just simply ask for a motion to second a vote on the continuous to a date uncertain and then as stated i'll read it for the record this will be uh needing a new public notice uh and do that accordingly okay so we're going to be uh taking a vote on uh sending item 7.1 to the future date uncertain and um they're going to read uh re notification of neighbors um so i need a second we need a motion i need a motion in a second any motions i so move perfect we need a seconded perfect and vice chair fennel sorry you're muted if you can repeat the motion in the second and then okay so we have a motion um for the item 7.1 public hearing on the cherry garage replacement to a date uncertain with a new public notification uh motion by capi garret and seconded by uh board member pretzels all right thank you with that we will go um in alphabetical order again starting with board member borne i board member gail wing absent board member garret hi hi board member wong hi board member pretzels hi i'm the chair muser recusing himself going to vice chair fennel hi so that item did pass continue the date uncertain thank you anything else susie i think i i'm i'm gonna ask for some assistance on this from mr rhodes well i think we can state simply for the record that we do not have a quorum so we really don't have an agenda item at this point so it will be continued just as it has in the past now it'll be continued to the next scheduled meeting next a regularly scheduled meeting okay and we don't need to vote on that because it's no reason to yeah there's technically no board if there's no board for that you don't have a quorum you can't act as as a okay we just are stating for the record it will be continued to the the next regularly scheduled meeting and i do we have a matt susie excuse me do you have a date for the next regularly the date is june second june second so this will be continued to june second perfect and then laura you can go ahead i'm sorry vice chair fennel it's very it's difficult isn't that vice chair fennel you can go ahead and adjourn the meeting anytime but you need to turn your mic on on congratulations to you all and completing your first meeting with the cultural heritage board and we are adjourned thank you so much thank you thank you