 Hello and welcome everyone. We are in the first webinar of eNews Next where we are about to discuss how the dynamics of newsrooms across the country are changing. So as we are switched on and logged on to television news almost round the clock, especially at this time, we have reporters out in the field who are covering stories from the field and working as stylistically as any health worker or a police person. So, we have very senior journalists with us who are running newsrooms. I'll just quickly welcome our guests. We have Rajini Shahooja who's the senior vice president news and programming at AVP nukes. And we have senior journalists and former executive editor, Bhupen Chaubey of CNN News 18. Bhupen is currently doing his own shows from hashtag top to Bhupen. Before throwing in the questions to our guests, I'll quickly want to mention to all our guests that you can tweet about this webinar as you log in and listen to us at hashtag eForum webinar. And you can also ask questions which we will take over to our guests. So welcome Rajini Shah, welcome Bhupen. It would be great if you could start about your experiences of working from home or working during times of this pandemic. Yeah, sure. Thanks very much for doing this. And let me first explain to you where I am just in case if Rajini Shah and you must be wondering where is all this lovely sound and all this coming from. So I have taken what I think is the best step that I've taken in a long time and this is where I am. I'm bang in the middle of some love issues and just to make Rajini Shah feel slightly jealous of me. So I'm at Uttarakhand right now. And I must share my own personal story with you. This is this is the first time since I left and forgetting that that we're doing. And you know a lot of people have been asking me on social media as to why did I take this decision suddenly. Truth is this was partially sudden, but it was not so sudden as well. And I say it was not so sudden because it had been on my mind for a while that that I thought conventional media and conventional use media, whether it's a business model, whether it's a conventional approach. All that was was being tested, you know, and will be challenged in various forms. And I really wanted to branch out and I wanted to do something on my own. I want to do a book as well and it's just that the rigor of the television just doesn't need any scope frankly for any kind of experimentation. I actually came to this place on the 16th of March. And then after doing some broadcasting, I was I was doing my program viewpoint from here on the board for 10 to 12 days. And then well, because I was still there, I had to go back since I couldn't have managed to do broadcasting, say in the month of March in perpetuity by being here itself. So I had to go back to Delhi. But in that one week that I stayed back in Delhi, I got absolutely convinced that media, the way we have seen so far and the way we have consumed it so far, I think is in for a massive change for a tectonic change. This entire scenario that was built of 10 windows and 20 windows, everybody having a quick cut on and well all of us were part of it. I think that model has done its course. And the kind of the kind of feedback that I have started to get now for this program talk to Bhupi that I do, which I do like this, like we're doing this on Zoom. The simulcast is across all digital platforms on YouTube, on LinkedIn, on Periscope, on Instagram, on Facebook, on Twitter. It is exposing me to a kind of world in a kind of universe, which I never knew existed. I've spent my whole life in English television and basically she comes from the world of video television, but I have kind of dabbled between both for a while. And while the audience sizes on both sides are vastly different, I think the challenges before both these languages and before both these platforms are pretty identical in nature. I think the era of doing TV news, the way we used to think it would be done, which would be largely new century where you would send your hobbies and you'd send your live units. I think all that is changing completely. If we can do this program sitting right here where I'm on my mobile phone and you're at your residence and the DJ is at his location. I mean, is this the new normal? Is this a new norm which we must accept? I think the first steps post COVID have certainly been taken that this is the new normal world that we must accept and then try and adapt ourselves in terms of what are the changes we wish to bring in our day to day life. Newsrooms across the country are working at 50% of the capacity. If 50% of the capacity can still deliver a product, I don't see any reason why this should not become the new normal. So going over to Rajneesh, Bhupin clearly has a background and a setting to do stories which is worth envy. So we go over to Rajneesh and you are in the newsroom and I'm told that you're doing the live also from the newsroom. Rajneesh, if you can fill us a little in about how different is the newsroom in terms of functioning, in terms of how people are attending office every day. How different is it compared to pre-COVID times, Rajneesh? Rajneesh, you need to unmute yourself. Sorry, we have been in the newsroom since the beginning of this crisis. We have not left the newsroom, although we had challenges of the staff and we are short of not 50% but 25% staff. They are working from home because of some reason or the other, but we have been working around 75% strength. From the beginning itself, we decided not to bring our reporters back into the newsroom. Reporters and cameraman were told to work from outside, from their home and travel outside. We reduced the reporter's strength. We told reporters to work for three days, one batch, three days, other batch. We gave software to our newsroom software to people who were working from home so that they can do the stories from their home. And from the very beginning, we decided not to bring in the guest into the studio. We had stopped at, as Bhupen was saying that this is the new beginning of the newsroom, of the media. The big guests are quite easily available and we don't have to send anywhere anything. People are ready to do it on FaceTime, people are ready to do it on Skype. So you call them, they are available. Absolutely. So the best thing for TV journalism is that you get a big guest. People you never think of coming on television are coming on television. Yes. So we had such big guests and people from US, a lot of doctors have joined us from US. And who are available even if it's a night time in US, they are still available because they think that India needs to know what is happening with vaccine, any information. So people who have joined us from even China. So we have done a lot of things. Absolutely. But our newsroom is still buzzing. Right. And we have taken precautions. The people like, there are few colleagues of mine who have, society had some positive cases there. We told them to stay home for at least 3 to 14 days. Every day this is a challenge. Absolutely. So, but this challenge has made us very good. We have, like Bopen was saying that we are working with 75% strength. Absolutely. So it has been a great experience. We are doing journalism with a different thing. Before I go to my next question, I'll just quickly mention that we are live on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube. So anybody who's tuned in, you can tweet us at hashtag e4m webinar or you can throw in your questions to any of our guests. So the next question is to each one of you, since both of you are at very different work settings that you know, for newspapers and digital setups, you know, walk from mode, transition has happened almost seamlessly. But for TV, it is a different ballgame altogether. So, Rajneesh, first I'll go over to you as to how is TV coping up with this staggered workforce. You already covered quite a lot of it in the first answer. And Bopen, if you can tell us, you know, how is this whole work from home experience, you know, how different is it from your studio experience. So I'll go over to Rajneesh first. Did I miss anything? I just asked a question about this transition from, you know, being on the field and in office to walk from home. It's easy for digital and newspapers to a certain extent, but TV is quite different. So TV, like I told you earlier also that for a production people, for producers, they have to be in office. But for the input and the report reporting staff, as I told you, we had already told them that you work on 50% strength. They have to work for long hours. We made it 12 hours shift. We are both reporters and cameraman. We made a one team so that every day there's no change. We gave the camera kits, everything to home. Three days, one 11 set of people work, three days, other set of people work. So that thing was made possible from the beginning itself. Absolutely. So also we made sure that our newsroom is sanitized properly every day. People coming in were provided all the kits and everything we provided kits to our reporters so that they have the proper kits to wear them on the field. So this is the changes we have done. Sure. If you can fill us in a little bit about, you know, how different is it to work from home than the studio apart from the chopping birds and the beautiful weather out there. What's the difference when you do your videos, when you reach out to your listeners, what's the difference between pre-COVID times and now? You know, that's why I think that we must take the bull by its horns. And let me state this absolutely clearly that where we are today in terms of what we are really managing to achieve as professionals, I think is something that needs to be firstly understood for one's own sake. Sure. When you say that, you know, that well, you need to, what is the, what is the difference in my work approach? First things first, you know, you have to realize that what's the philosophical bent of mind that you have adopted for your own sake. From being on a treadmill, which newsrooms are ultimately becoming, I think this corona pandemic is making a lot of people in our profession just sit back and take notice. That what is it that we were doing so far? What is the kind of effort that you've been putting in? And am I really enjoying what I'm doing? I mean, at the end of the day, you know, if you're enjoying what you're doing, then it's not worth it. Absolutely. I think that as far as I'm concerned, I certainly took that decision that I needed to do something which I was enjoying most. And I just, just look at what Rajanish is telling you today. And I believe that at this stage, while this is being done out of compulsion, imagine if you were to be in a scenario where you don't require Obi-Wan. If you don't require Obi-Wan, you don't require Obi-Engineers, you don't require cameraman. Today, using Mojo Kids, I myself am a great believer in X-Pone and I covered the entire how-do-you-movie trip of the Prime Minister when he went to America with a simple mobile phone and a Wi-Fi. I think these are the new age realities which modern day newsrooms will have to adopt. I think those days of an anchor going into the field would say with four, five camera setups and all that. I think I would really struggle to believe that those days are going to come back. For some time, those days are going to come back. Technology will only increase. Technology will only increase, you know? Like, look at the virtual background which LGG has. If you want on a simple click, you know, you can get yourself a better background. And I'm sure that there will be better vendors who will come. So people will, in half an hour's time from now, the biggest educated minds in this country are going to be in a conversation with me and talk to Bhupen. And we're going to look at how the education world is going to completely move from an offline to an online model. On television channels, the gap that used to exist between this is my virtual stream or my digital stream and this is my TV feed. I think that gap very soon, that's why it is going to be a thing of the past. I think that there is now just going to be two screens. And you will end up supplying feed which will be agnostic of the screen that you are really consuming on. Like this broadcast right now, I may be on my mobile phone. The similar broadcast with similar quality could actually be taking place on TV as well. To my mind, that is the biggest change which newsrooms are now going to adapt to. But the good thing about it is that even our digital has done really well. Absolutely. When the TV is doing well, people are watching us on digital in a big way. Our digital numbers have really gone up. I'll tell you the Prime Minister's 14th April speech. There were 16 lakh views on YouTube on our channel. Which is a record. It has never happened. So people are consuming wherever they are in whatever form, whether it's TV, whether it's mobile phone. But it is actually the news channels which are providing the digital platform also. True. You know, picking up from just that we have one of our team members who is saying that yesterday from a popular channel, an anchor couldn't reach the studio on time or start a show on time because he had a police interrogation to attend. So meanwhile, some junior colleagues managed the show while he wasn't around. So Rajneesh, I'll ask you that, you know, is this also a time when a lot of other talents are coming to the forefront? There are journalists who are doing videos from where they are and shooting small stories and uploading it themselves. There's a lot of work that people are doing that they haven't done before. So what's your take on that Rajneesh? Yeah, a lot of my colleagues are doing explainers for digital sitting at home which they never used to get time earlier. Absolutely. Since we have divided our reporters into two groups. So people who are sitting at home, whatever they are, they are writing for digital, they are writing, making video explainers for digital. Plus, they are doing the things live from home only. True. A lot of reporters who are living at off day, like three days off, we are giving them. But whenever they get a story, we are doing live from them, from their home. So they may be at home but they are on the job. They may not be going on the field but as the information is coming to them, they are feeding it to us. Actually, it's the information which is coming, which way it comes. That's not the issue right now. Absolutely. I think what will happen and Rajneesh was briefly eluding today. See, all TV channels in this time when you are going to lockdown, everybody is consuming news on any device that you can get hold of. But I think that what is really happening and that's the attempt that I'm trying to make, which is that instead of creating content specifically for TV screen and therefore use similar production styles and simply put that content on a mobile screen. I think you put whatever scenario where you may just end up completely reversing the cycle. Which is it may be far more effective for you to produce content for a mobile screen. And if you can succeed in that using technology, then all you have to do is to put that same content which you are producing for a mobile device. You have to put that content on a TV device. Absolutely. And I think that is where the biggest opportunity I think for any media house, like for any working professional really exists. If you get the technology right and if you can create an environment where you produce for mobile devices and you simply put that feed on a TV channel, on a TV screen I should say, that I think will be the real game changer so to say in our industry. True, true. So next what we would like to touch upon is the concept of infotainment also coming into news. We are seeing a lot of news channels, a lot of journalists going live with singers, going live with artists so that you know there's a little bit of cheering up for the viewers who are always listening to this grim news or death tolls and COVID spreading from one state to one city to the other. So is infotainment a trend that is here to stay or is it going to stop post the lockdown rules are relaxed? What are you? Can I point out, can you see my friend Subit Alasthi? You know, Subit is also there. Yes, he has, he's also live. I can see him. I'm open. I'm really jealous of you now. Hi, hi, hi. You are the only person doing the lockdown. I am boss. I am. Unashamedly, I am enjoying it. No problem at all. Hi, Tarsmi, I'm sorry. Hi, hi. Thank you so much for joining us. Infotainment, yes, it's going to stay. Data analysis is yes, it's going to stay. Right. This is a new, new taste. That's it. And it's going to stay. If I say it in a foreign language. The public is enjoying it. The public is enjoying the data analysis. Because all the feedbacks and reviews are coming. They are very positive. They want to see the numbers. Right. Right. You said that there are music concerts on the web. And all these things are going on. This is a real challenge for us. We, the news anchors, tie ourselves in that category. That we are show stoppers. And we do nothing. Nothing like that. Like Bhupendra was saying, my friend. Like in the industry, everyone is on mobile right now. Everyone is connected. And everyone is contributing in their own way. The way the public likes it will be accepted. The one who doesn't like it will be rejected. That's going to be the future now. You don't have to wait for anything. There will be acceptance and rejection immediately. But one thing I should point out here is that people are not watching entertainment on news TV. Absolutely. So people just want to come for information. Infotainment. No entertainment. Right. Somebody from our audience is throwing us a question that you know is consumption pattern also changing. You know, from the, we have no fresh content on GC channels. It's only news that is providing fresh up to date contents all the content all the time. So, you know, is the consumption pattern also likely to change? And is it going to change from now on? Yeah, I mean, if you're asking me, I do believe that consumption patterns, what people want to see. I'll tell you a nutshell where I think, and this is only again on the basis of the feedback which I'm getting. For a very limited experiment that I have started to do with Dr Bhupendra. I mean, imagine it's on a website, it's just a hashtag. It's a YouTube platform. It's a Zoom platform, which then gets broadcast across all these platforms. But I've got all big names, whether it's, whether it's, you know, top politicians or it's top corporate voices or top, you know, people. Yes, I mean, you know, people may want to talk to me because I'm brand equity. But I think that what is happening is that there was a certain cycle of news television which got accepted. Post the Mumbai terror strikes into the public aid. I think in these last 12 years, what is happening is that that cycle of a particular brand of television, I think it could well have run out of steam. You know, you were talking about what's going on with the, in the case of, in the case of the public television. I mean, I'm not aware of the facts exactly. But on the face of it, I, and I did read about it as well that at a time when the country is facing the biggest story of our time. You know, for the media to obfuscate about what one anchor said or didn't say. And for that particular anchor, you know, to use all kinds of well statements to show up his own standing. I think it's bizarre. I would like to know that what is the impact of this lockdown on people? I would like to know. I ask a simple question, you know, if I had 100 rupees in my bank. If say three months back, the value of my 100 rupees was 6% interest, 7% interest, 107 rupees. I would just like to know what is the value of my 100 rupees today? Instead of giving me an answer to these kind of questions, if you keep taking me into trivialities, then, then I'm not sure, you know, how I'm benefiting. And I'm very happy to note that just a short while back I realized and maybe Rajneesh, you could also be aware of this. There are now demands being made that we should completely change the market structure, the manner in which TRP ratings have been, you know, have been accumulated so far. I think if this corona business, if it ends up putting pressure on all industry stakeholders to work out some new metric, I think it will be the most positive impact, frankly, of this corona lockdown. Yeah, the TRI just issued a paper saying that how the rating should be done and how the structure should be changed. But I am saying that in coming months, economy will be a big story because it will affect everybody's, everybody's pocket is going to get affected. So what you were saying, will it stay for longer? Yes, it is going to stay for longer. So at least an year and a half, I think the economy coming months will be economic story. Once we are out of this three, four months, I don't know how much time, but economy will be the big story which never happened in so many years. So how the government will handle the economy, issues, unemployment, a lot of issues will come up in next few months that people are worried about right now. And new channels will have a greater role to play in that, to tell people what is happening. Right. So picking up from that Rajneesh, if you can just brief us a little bit about the kind of content you are planning for the days ahead, then we will go over to Bhupen and also ask him what are the kind of stories we are going to see from him. So if you can brief us. Like I told you, we are planning shows related to people's, how people are going to, whether there will be a reverse migration happening or not happening. People who have gone back to their states, whether they'll be coming back or not, will there be a problem for the labor in North India? Because of the Hindi channel, whether the factories will come back. One of the CEOs of a big company told me that once I start production again, I am not aware whether the people who are coming into the factory, are they medically checked, COVID certificate, will my assembly line get affected? If one of them is found positive, it will affect my entire factory. So these kinds of stories, economic stories which are related to people on the ground will be our main focus in coming months. Right. We did an interview with earlier vice chairman of Niti IO. He said to us that India has the best opportunity to go ahead, last 20 years were for China, next 20 years for India. So it's a, now if India does well, how the government does on economic front, that story will be unfolded in next few months. Right. How the elections are going to be held, how the realities will happen, Bihar is the election going state this year. Yes. That will be also a big story. Absolutely. Sumit, would you want to add something straight from the newsroom about your plans for coverage and what are the interesting stories that the viewers are going to see in the coming days? That's my, me and Rajni share the same newsroom. Rajni just opened up our cards, what are we going to plan for the next six months or eight months. But no doubt, yes, that's the focus, economics, economics and economics, people centric economics. Will there be jobs or not? Yes. The biggest problem is going to come as soon as we get out of covid cases, whether or not there are two meals per day or not. Whether or not there are two meals per day or not. There has been such a massive mass migration. The entire economy, the entire sphere has become a disturbing atmosphere. The people who came from the villages, came to the cities and finished their jobs in the villages, they have gone back to the villages. So what are they going to do? These are the stories of small towns, typical Hindi channel stories. And for us, the most important thing is the entire plan, the entire focus. And as Rajni just talked about Bihar election, I would also like to underline that it will be the first time that there will be a state campaign, correct me if I am wrong, that there will be an e-campaign. This time, Tejasvi and Chirag Paswan, the boys of 21st century, will be more trusted in the e-campaign or will there be a mass rally? There will be a public rally. That is why I would like to say that what we are seeing today and what is happening in the mobile screen, I feel that this mobile screen and through the internet is going to be more visible in the coming time. We have seen that in the past few years, the online spending, the political parties, the social media campaigns, the internet campaigns, the whatsapp campaigns, I feel that if we want to stay with COVID, and this is the first time that we want to stay with it, it has a very big impact. In our country, how elections are being held, how elections are being held, it will have a very big impact. For example, if we had told you earlier that someone who is a leader, the helicopter doesn't have the permission to get off the plane, then you would have given the breaking news. People would have said that politics is being used. Now think about it, you might not need it. Yesterday I was talking to a guy from the government. He told me that if you were the 12 ministers of the country, then you would have to come here and then come to Vigyan Dhawan or somewhere else. That was an industry in itself. Because they used to come to Hawaii, Jazz Karcha, California, bureaucracy. If you were one of the ministers, then you would have come to the government. You don't need to do anything on your own. The whole thing is happening on video calls. Look at the Congress Party. The meetings of all the leaders are being held by the government. The Prime Minister is meeting all the CMs. He has met them four times on video calls. So, you think that when the government is being held on video calls, then of course, it will have a very big impact on the election process. I am looking at whether we are ready to accept such big changes. We are not ready to accept such big changes. We are not ready to accept such big changes. We are ready to accept such big changes. I think every day is a new learning. Because every day we are seeing the challenges which technology can bring to you. As you are saying, you are from India. You have a massive audience. You are not from India, but from India. You have a huge audience. You have a huge audience. There was a huge of trouble in India. When you will send a reporter to tomorrow. I think you will not get to shoot the video on the camera. I think you will get a mojo pit and the internet dongle. You go and you travel around the whole country and take out your hat on camera. You think that you will be a big change. The reporters are talking about their nature. Aviskar is right. Aviskar's birth is just coming. It has been 5 weeks since the last 40 days. We have interviewed a lot of people. We didn't have much time or time to do interviews. The leaders also have time. They are easily available on Skype. All the CMs are easily available. They have to send the entire infrastructure for this. They call and sit on Skype and give interviews. There are a lot of headlines. There are a lot of headlines on very low prices. If this is happening with the TV channel, then when the elections will come, then obviously the expenses will be saved. This is the beginning of Digital India and this is a big challenge for us through this digital medium. We have so many questions coming in from the audience. There is Pratyush Ranjan from Jabran News Media who is asking that Entertainment has shifted from TV to mobile. Do you think the same has already been done for hyper-local news content as well? Any of you can take the question. If you are asking that is hyper-local news consumption happening on mobile devices, then there is no doubt about it. I will tell you something. I was going to meet Haryana's elections with Bindar Huda. She was talking to him. She said that she thinks that you have a big channel and a big anchor. She said that there are a lot of YouTubers in the country. I was talking to someone during the presidential election. There is a whole list of 25-30 YouTubers and influencers in the country. The YouTubers and influencers in the restricted community are more influential than us. It is possible that the data in the studio should be publicly accessible to the public. People think that the style of a TV is to be a mode head. They think that the concept of a fight is now subject to the law initiative. I think it may very well put more focus and more pressure on content creators. You should create content through which the public discourse is based on the data. Because when it is based on the data, if you campaign, then it can only be done on a daily basis. Then you have to tell the data point. I have done this in 5 years or I will do this in the next 5 years. Then what does it affect me? I check the facts. Fact checking and data interpretation. I think they are going to explore this in a very large scale. Somebody else from our audience is also asking about what do you all think about OOH business? How will it take off from here? It is a question from Eric Nagaraj. Any of you can take the question. It is slightly off our topic but Nagaraj wants to know about it. We have no idea actually whether this business will survive or not. I will take your leave because I had another engagement. Stay safe friends. Thank you so much for joining us. Hopefully we will meet in physical world again. Thank you so much for joining us. Bye. I was about to ask about viewerships now which is very important part of the news business. All the barc numbers that we have been seeing, it is unprecedented growth for news. Just trying to understand is this kind of spike or growth in viewership is this sustainable? If it is sustainable, then how will its consistency maintain? What is the plan to keep the numbers consistent? I think Renishi is right. Because it may not stay for that long but right now people are sitting at home and consuming a lot of news television. But when people start working again becomes a normal life, it may not be sustainable. But people will continue to consume news at a much higher level. That is not going to go away for at least one and a half year. Absolutely. Even I am telling you the entertainment channel will not have the news shows or anything coming next three months. The way the Bombay thing is happening, I don't think entertainment channel will be there or even movies. People may not be going to cinema halls to watch a movie for a long time. So whether people will continue to consume news in a bigger way, that is true. Whether they watch it on mobile or on news television, the viewership is going to stay higher as compared to earlier times. True. We have more questions. Veibhav Shah is trying to understand that is the credibility of news going to change during this difficult time? I think credibility has increased in these difficult times. The people are only trusting news only because the right number, the right data is available only on TV or digital platforms. Newspapers' leadership has gone down. We know this because of various reasons. TV, digital, internet is the only platform where all the right and the correct news numbers are flashing 24 hours. Am I right Rajesh? Yeah, completely. And it is also the credibility of the news group which is bringing in the numbers. People trust the channels. That is why those channels are getting the numbers. Even Bark has to look at it. The credible channels are only getting the numbers. Right. Yes, please go. I am saying the viewership is coming to those channels which have credibility. Which don't have credibility, they are not getting the numbers. By creating drama you can get numbers for a while. But ultimately people go with the credible channels only. Right. We have another question from Srinath Sakshi who is asking that viewership has also increased on digital. Do you think Bark will consider this? That's the question from Srinath Sakshi. I have been told that from July onwards that is up to Bark's confirmation that they will be merging the digital and the TV viewership together. And they will be providing jointly the viewership practice. Right. Bark is working towards it. Right. So as we come towards the close of this interesting panel, we have few more questions coming in. Archana Mukherjee asked that how do you suggest that people recognize fake news? We have been doing on a daily basis a show, Sachaika Sensex, every day at 8.13 on our morning before show Namaste Bharat. Where we tell every day that what is fake, what is not. We have been doing this. Earlier we were doing viral search. We were the first pioneering this thing about fake news. What is right? What is wrong? And we have been doing it for last almost 4-5 years. The viral videos which are fake, we verify them. Our team verifies and we tell every morning at 8.30 people must watch it on Namaste Bharat, Sachaika Sensex. Right. We have an elaborate question from Sneha Valke. She is asking in a comforting move for the journalistic community in Orissa. The Navin Patnaik government has announced a 15 lakhs express for any working journalist who succumbs to COVID-19. Many journalists have been put under quarantine after they were diagnosed with the disease. The numbers are increasing. Are journalistic bodies or federations doing something similar to their peers? Is there enough pressure on the government for special health insurance schemes, etc. for media first responders during their daily jobs risking their lives? That's a long question if you would like to take it. Every media organization or different media or general associations have been doing what is there possible for them. So we are in a business where government doesn't help too much about it. Different state governments are doing something or other. But as a media organization, all media organizations are trying their best to help out people who have become positive. Our organization or other organizations are taking all precautions to do that. Right. There is another question from Devomita Dev who is asking that our newsrooms finally looking into engaging educators to help module up online subject classes for students, especially those who are in the rural sector. Our channel, Bengali channel, ABP Ananda, they are doing, the state government has given one hour program every day on TV where we have different subjects being taught about to various children of various classes on a daily basis. It's a gaya between the state government and our channel there, ABP Ananda on the same. Right. Awesome. There is one more question coming from your ABP Ananda audience, perhaps Deep Sikha Ghosh is asking thanks to mobile phones, people are not only relying on news channels and newspapers for information, a lot of content is consumed via videos and write ups posted and shared on social media. This has particularly risen during this COVID phase and that has even led to a number of major controversies. However, people are using the news to verify whether information is correct that is coming across. What is your take on it? I didn't get the question, I'm really sorry. It's a long question that says that, you know, people are relying on mobile phones and not only on news channels and newspapers for information, a lot of content consumed via videos and write ups posted on social media is being consumed, especially during this time. So people are using the news channels to verify whether these information that they are coming across is correct. So I think Deep Sikha wants to know that how are news channels helping in, you know, letting the audience know that whether a particular news being circulated on social media is correct or not correct. Yeah, I got it. It's the same similar thing that Rajesh has told you just now that the viral news or the viral messages which are up on various social platforms, it could be anything from WhatsApp to Facebook to Twitter to anything. We have a show called Satya Aika Sinsik. It's a fact checker. It's a fact checker and whatever is viral on TV or on social media. We, our team, our reporters, our correspondents go out, reach out to them, verify them by the authentic authorities and let them know, let them know our viewers that whatever you are watching or consuming is right or not is a fake item or is a genuine item. That's what we are doing it and we are getting very good viewership also for the same show. It's 8.30 in the morning and we got this 12.30 in the afternoon and we have a weekly show also on this. It's 8.30 on Saturdays and Sundays. Yeah, we are doing this. It's a good viewership show. It shows that people have interest now. They want to know what is right, what is wrong, whatever they are receiving on their WhatsApp is right or not. As a channel, as a responsible channel media house, that's our duty to educate, to make them learn what is right or what is not. We are trying our best to do that and that's the show. It's called Satya Aika Sinsik. We have another viewer who is asking, Shrinath Sakshi is asking if any desk journalist turns out to be corona positive, what will be the position of the newsroom? I think Shrinath wants to understand what is the backup plan that newsrooms have if a journalist calls sick in the newsroom. Yeah, we had made a backup plan. If something happens in the newsroom, we had the backup plan. We have a studio ready in Chandigarh and in four hours we can ship there. We had the entire backup plan. Meanwhile, it takes six hours to resanitize the newsroom and the studio and we could be back in six hours from this place also. Great. So there is somebody who is also asking about the recent outbreak of the pandemic amongst journalists in Bombay. What have you done to ensure your journalists are safe, which is what you have already answered? Is there anything else that you would want to add in terms of ensuring that the reporters who are there out on the field, the camera persons, they are all safe? We have given the PPE kits to our people, masks. We have made a mandatory that no reporter will go on air without masks on it. We do not take any PDCs, no live coverage without masks. Plus, as I told you, we have made a team of a cameraman and reporter who work together. There is no change in the team. And what else? Sumit, you can add something. Our cars, the cabs are sanitized regularly. The driver, the camera person and the reporter, there is a team that are moving together. And those who are going on in the field reporting, they are not coming to the building, the main premises. They are staying out. Structurally, it has two teams, indoor team and outdoor team. Outdoor team doesn't come to indoors and indoor team doesn't go to outdoors. It's like this. There is no, there is no mixtation of the three teams. It's basically we are taking all the necessary precautions that anybody who's going out reporting, especially the reporters and the VJs, they should not get affected with this COVID. They have all the gloves, PPE kits, the face masks, the shoes, all the three persons, including the driver and the cabs. That's what we are trying our best to do that. In office also, if somebody visits our office, visitors first thing are not allowed inside the premises. It's only the employees who are working here. They only allowed here in the building. And those who came in, they have to sanitize their hands. There is a special provision of, you put a special tap on the main gate where they can wash their hands, face, then they enter, then there is a sanitizer. We have sanitizers in almost all the desks of New Zealand so that nobody, nobody, it's basically more of a mind game. People should feel that they are secure and they are working in a secure atmosphere. That's what the ABB New Zealand is trying to evolve inside the office. We have another question from Deep Shikha Ghosh who is saying, if we are saying that digital platforms are the future at least for the coming months, what is the future of technicians who are essential only for ground reporting? I think that's a very interesting question. Yes, if you'd like to take that. Please come again, sorry. Deep Shikha says that if we are seeing that digital platforms are the future at least for the coming months, what is the future of technicians who are essential for a ground reporting? Camera person. Camera person who are essential. As we told you, it's the same for the reporters and for the technicians, we are following the same pattern. Right. There is no change. They are equally important for us. So what we, precautions we are taking for our reporter, we are taking for the technician also. Right, right. So coming to change, you know, I was talking to a lot of people who run newspapers, offices, you know, and they were saying that post-COVID reporting and running the newspaper business will not be the same as it was before COVID. So, you know, there are some changes that at least the newspaper industry will be permanent after COVID. So is there anything about broadcasters as well? You know, any change that you have taken to, will that be adopted on a more permanent basis post the lockdown rules are relaxed? We haven't thought about that as of now, but we'll see how things move, how things are and we'll take it as we go along. Right now, the issue is that we should be safe and the team which is working should continue to work the way we were working earlier. So we'll see how what changes to be done in times to come. Absolutely. So Rajneesh and Sumit, I would request each one of you to sum it up for us that, you know, how the dynamics of newsrooms have changed during this crisis time. How is it different for you guys, you know, functioning on a normal day and during this time of the pandemic? I'll only say that consumers want more news from news channels. So, and we have stepped up our understanding for the need of the R and we have added a lot of new programming, we'll continue to do that. We'll get a lot of experts from medical field and we'll continue to aim to guide our viewers that we are just not just a news channel but we'll give you entire information. Absolutely. Over to you, Sumit. Yes, just last line, last two lines. I think that's right. The people who were working in the office are doing it now. We have to work from home as well. And after that we have to work in the office as well. That's good, that's good. It's been a lot of work but it's fun. It was never a challenging time. It's really a tough, tough, very tough time for all of us. And though we are not the frontliners, we are staying in newsrooms but yes, we are not less than any frontliners because we know our responsibility is too, too much. We can't slash the wrong slash at this time. So huge pressure, huge timelines matching. And yes, we are trying our best to address our viewers' need and their demands. Thank you. That was such an interesting and insightful chat with both of you. Thank you so much for joining. And we would request our audience to keep tweeting about the same and if you have more questions, keep asking, keep tweeting. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, thank you.