 just in from Tom Peller Cerro of NFL Network. The New England Patriots are hiring Alex van Pelt as their offensive coordinator for sources. Former NFL quarterback longtime respected assistant Van Pelt spent the past four seasons. The Cleveland Browns OC now filling a big spot at your Rod Mayo staff in New England. Okay How do you feel about this now? Not Nick Kaley on the surface. I know I'm not a fan of Perry's term a year abroad with LA, so Nick Kelly to me was always underwhelming but a real OC and if you just do a quick search, you know of Alex Van Pelt I remember when we played for the bills like 20 years ago quarterback, but he's got a lot of quarterback experience as a coach. He was a QB's coach in Green Bay, not too long ago. Buffalo for a minute in the last like 15 years or so, so he's worked with quarterbacks to me. That's the most important thing. Okay he worked in Green Bay from 2014 to 2017 the Aaron Rodgers run there. I'm trying to think when the floor took over. I don't know if that was with the floor or not. I might have been with McCarthy. Then in 2018, he went to the Bengals for two years, 2018, 2019. So pre burrow, that's pre burrow, pre burrow, pre. I'm just trying to figure out what offense he runs. Cleveland this last four years, which is, why is he available? Kevin Stefanski, right? Which is Stefanski, which is something keep talking. Stefanski was in Minnesota when it was Zimmer. So I don't know like what system you really call that. But what was your question, man? My question is why is he available? Again, he was with Cleveland. They were a playoff team. They finished. I was just looking at up 10th in the league and scoring, I believe. So like, why did he get fired? Why is he available? I don't know. So like, I didn't like Kaley because he never touched the quarterback never called plays. And he was just with McVeigh for one year. So what he was going to come back and run the McVeigh system after just doing again the semester abroad. It's not, you know, it's not the McVeigh thing isn't in his DNA. It's Josh McDaniel system is in his DNA. So I didn't love Nick Kaley. So I didn't like, but one of the reasons was he had never touched the quarterback and never called plays. Well, Alex van Pelt has worked with quarterbacks his entire career and called plays. I presume I would assume he called plays, but who knows? Maybe it was to fans key and probably someone maybe had to be the fall guy this year. I mean, how many quarterbacks? But what I'm saying is did did the fans key calls own plays in Cleveland or did Alex van Pelt? I'm not too sure. Let me see if I could do a search. But anyway, how many quarterbacks did Cleveland alone work with just this season after Deshaun Watson went down? It was like five, six, whatever the hell it was. So does, you know, how does Alex? How does Joe Flacco go there? Surprise everybody. Them get good quarterback play from a guy you never thought they'd get good quarterback play from and they fire the the quarterbacks coach. Yeah, and offensive coordinator. Exactly. So I don't like it makes me wonder whether there was some issue with him and Deshaun Watson. Like is that, you know, they got a crap ton of money invested in Watson. The offense took a while to get going when Watson was healthy. And then, you know, he got a little bit better and then he got hurt again. And so they did well with Flacco. So to me, I'm guessing there's some sort of issue there with how it worked with Watson. Well, so I'm just reading from an SI article here after they fired Van Peltman at a hiring Ken Dorsey as the new OC. Kevin Stefansky has a decision to make ahead of the 2024 season during his four years at the helm, calling the offensive plays has been his responsibility and his alone. So right. So Stefansky is the play caller. Van Pelt didn't call plays. Apparently he called plays for a week when Stefansky was out with something. Again, I'm just reading on the fly here too. That might have been during the COVID year, maybe whatever. Okay. He called the team's wildcard playoff game against the Steelers. Oh, yeah. In 2021. And then Pelt took over his offensive play caller for the game when Stefansky missed that game. So be that as it may. So you've gone from someone who's never touched a quarterback or called plays to a guy who's a quarterback coach, but not a lot of experience calling plays. I know I've been bitching about Nick Kelly's lack of experience all these guys lack of experience. I think I got a guy who's experienced and you know what I'm going to say? It feels like a retry. Yeah. Well, so again, like I heard the name and I didn't get excited. I can tell you that I mean you guys got to be happy about something. It's not Nick Kelly. How about that? It's a guy who's worked with quarterbacks better than Nick Kelly as Alex Barth also points out Barth here at the Sports Hub. There were 11 reported interviews for this OC job. Alex Van Pelt wasn't one of them. So I don't know a little bit more clandestine behind the scenes. Like this is our guy. Maybe we've targeted on the whole time. There could be that going on. I don't know. I need to find out more. No, again, I need to find out more. Murray, I'm sorry. No, I know, but it's just this guy, but even I'm surprised I've been working on this show close to 10 years. Here's a bag of money. I don't like it. Well, how much money? Jim, where did it come from? Okay. I'm just saying it I like it better than Kaylee. If they actually had a minute in their back pocket and they knew this was their guy and they were just talking to guys to like, I don't know why you need to talk to Nick Kaylee to mine someone for information like that's just silly. But okay, if that's what they were doing and this was their guy all along and they had a plan, I'll give them credit for it. I will unlike you. I'm fair. So I'm looking at you, Maz and you Murray. I'm fair. I embrace being unfair. He's more experienced. He checks more the boxes that I wanted. And if it this constitutes a plan that they actually had and they're not just fine by the seat of their pants, then I'll give them credit for it. And I like those things about it. There you go. Okay, I don't know enough. I don't know. I don't know why it was fired in Cleveland. I do have some yeah, but Jimmy first. So two things. One is Bill Callahan, who is a name that Bedard mentioned about an offensive line coach. Maybe this is a path to him. The other thing is apparently Cleveland ran a West Coast scheme, which is what we've all wanted the Patriots to do a faster moving offense. So this could be a good hire. Yeah, I could be sure. I can also suck. I'm sorry. I don't know enough about this guy. I want to know why he was fired in Cleveland. So if West. Callahan for the offensive line and this is a path to make the offensive line better than good hire Patriots. Good job. Super Bowl. Here we come. Why can't you just hire Bill Callahan and not have Van Pelt here? I don't know. Like I don't I don't understand that. I want to know more. I'm sorry. I'm not being a dick about it. You are. You both are. No, I'm not. I've given them their due for the things that I like about it. It just was I was expecting period. If you told me that they would get as this guy ever been considered a hot young hot up and coming offensive figure in the league, not that I can remember. No, he hasn't. And he is not what you would say is like the Zach Robinson, who has been Sean McVeigh's quarterback coach, pass game coordinator taken with Raheem Morris to a land like that feels like someone who's in that pipeline is the next guy was a hot name like that guy. This isn't Mike McDaniel. This isn't that Zach Robinson. It's not. That's something different. He's a little bit more of a journeyman a little bit. I mean, he's again, I don't ever recall. Alex Van Pelt is being talked about as one of the bright innovative minds in the NFL. I mean, moved around a lot. Exactly. He was the Tampa Bay quarterback coach in 2010 and 2011. Then he was the Packers running back coach in 2012 and 2013. You got to get a check. Then he became the quarterbacks coach in 2014 and 2017. We're basically what you're doing there is carrying Aaron Rodgers shoulder pads out to the practice field. Then he became that was a shot and unnecessary. Yes, you're right. But really, do you think that a hole was being coached at that point in his career? He had won his Super Bowl. He had won his MVP's Aaron Rodgers had gone full a hole by that point. He then he became so then that he was done after 2017. In 2018, he went to be the quarterback coach in Cincinnati 2018 and 2019. Who was their quarterback to 2018 and 2019? That's a good question. So who drove the thing into the ground? Was it the red rocket there? Yeah, Dalton. Yeah, good. There we go. Andy Dalton. He did a decent job with Andy Dalton probably got the most out of that guy that you could get. There's some positive commentary, Jimmy. Thank you. And then he went to Cleveland from 2020 to 2023 and just got his ass fired. Even though they made the playoffs with a backup quarterback, a couple backup quarterbacks with you would have thought he would have done a good job there and would have been rewarded or promoted on that. And now he's your offensive coordinator. I'll take it over, Nick Kelly. How's that? Okay, but again, I'm not looking for the least sucky coach at this point. I am like so again, I don't tell me what the what the upside is. You wanted real experience. A guy that has been an offensive coordinator, right? Has worked with quarterbacks. And so okay, but saying the West Coast is not like Mike McCarthy runs a West Coast offense that is like antiquated the old West Coast offense. It's not what Shanahan is done with it or McVeigh is done with it and sort of move that thing forward. It's McCarthy still run something that's from 20 years ago and frankly is it blows. So is that what Van Pelt runs? That's what he did. That's according to his pro football reference. I just think like here's somebody who's touched a lot of quarterbacks. He's called plays. He played in the league checks all the boxes. Go Pats. It seems to me like he's only called game called the place once. That's more than Nick Kelly who probably didn't want the job. True. So you know, here's the story I want to read to and true what I'm hearing is behind Brown's changes as Alex Van Pelt is fired by Terry Pluto, who's been in Cleveland forever. I think since he might have covered Bill. He's been there so long, but I can't access the story because I have to subscribe. Oh, just assume it's negative because he hates everything. I got to work around with that. That avoid Murray. Okay. That's the one you want more information on the Patriots new and it's negative towards Alex Van Pelt.