 For all your NRG innovation product needs, make sure you check out DriveNRG.com. That's D-R-I-V-E-N-R-G.com. What's up everybody? Welcome back to the channel. I'm EpilRabbit here on Forza Horizon 4. So again, a lot of people asked me recently on the channel for tips and tricks on drifting here in Forza Horizon 4. So I figured I would do basically a little bit of a tutorial session on the basics of trying to get the car to be stable and transition. For that purpose, we are in this little figure 8 parking lot on the map. I will show you guys exactly where it is if you don't know where it is. And for the purpose for cars today, we are rocking a... Basically it's 399 horsepower stock tires, drift suspension, 3050Z wide body. I will show basically the exact suspension settings and everything I have as well as I will leave this tuned up. You guys want to give it a try. So we are going to go through some of the basic things that I found helped when I first started getting on the wheel and being able to control it from preventing from spitting out, from it over-oscillating and rotating under transition or not being able to transition. Some basic things to start off with on a wheel to try and get more comfortable with it and stuff like that. So like I said, for the purpose of this, we are going to get out of drone mode and show you where we are on the map. We are the top left corner of the map up here right above where the game stuff is. Actually up the street from my lake lodge house. So it is in this parking lot area right here. So that's for the purpose we are going to be doing that starting here today. So like I said, this is a very basic tune like about 400 horsepower, 350Z wide body. Like I said, I will leave the tune up for you guys as well. So what I have noticed a lot of people are having a problem with is they are spitting out really quick. So one thing I found to help practice with that is to just do, instead of worrying about transitioning first, worry about just actually getting into it and getting the wheel countered and throttle control. So this is basically built on 400 horsepower. So for the purpose that you are almost going to be able to stay full throttle for most of this, we are going to get our wheel cam turned down. We are on our Logitech G920. We are on full 900 or 870 degrees of rotation. We do whatever handbrake. We will be using it a little bit today as well. But so basically, first and easiest thing I found to do, other than bog your car and second gear. I don't always start in second, but it is to pretty much just go slow about 25 miles an hour to this post, clutch kick it and throw the car and get used to how much you are going to have to counter steer. So pretty much the way, you can pretty much throw the wheel and catch it like I just did, and it will be pretty much right where you need it to be. And if you can do that, then you can pretty much be able to hold the drift. So one of the biggest things that people are not doing is they are not counter steering enough. So I am counter steering a lot. So what I notice a lot of people are doing is they are going like this, too much power, not counter steering fast enough just like that. And they are spitting out. You have to anticipate the motion of the car and what the car is going to do. And counter steer accordingly just like that. You have to be able to kind of anticipate where the car is going to go. But with the wheel settings, the car has somewhat of a little bit of a self steer. This 350Z actually has pretty much a good amount of self steer the way it is set up and the way I have my wheel settings. So you can pretty much go and if you notice, I really didn't touch it. It kind of just counter steered itself in a sense. So if you get it right and you are smooth on your throttle, you can almost let go of the wheel and kind of let it do its thing. And then there are other times where if you give too much throttle like that, it will rotate a little bit more. So the easiest thing to do I found, got somebody creeping up here, is pretty much just start doing circles. Find yourself a spot like this. Give it throttle and just try and keep yourself in a nice basically drift circle because it will get you the idea of how much power you can give the car and how much you are going to have to change your steering angle. And then once you do that, you will be able to throw it in transitions. But so like the biggest thing I think people is don't get frustrated with your wheels. If you are just starting on a wheel, don't like, Oh God I can't drift and like get rid of the wheel and stop. The worst thing to do is actually to get frustrated with the wheels. So clutch kicking is probably the easiest way to learn how to get the angle of rotation because the car is not going to kick around as fast. Just like that. It kicks around pretty easily on a clutch kick compared to if you were going to throw it in with a handbrake. Then you have to, you know, anticipate it a lot sooner like that. And then once you're able to get basically you can get yourself into a circle and kind of flutter the throttle a little bit, get your steering angle and feel pretty comfortable with it is then when you can let off the gas transition the car back the other way and get back on it. So another thing that I noticed people doing especially on transition they'll try and just stay full throttle and it'll do that. You kind of, when you're transitioning if you're not using your e-brake it helps to kind of get off and get back on real quick because it changes the weight of the car. So you can pretty much just feather the throttle go this way let off the gas, transition it, get back on the gas and you can do a very smooth easy transition. So like I said, biggest thing don't get frustrated just kind of keep with it, do circles and do as many circles as you can because it gives you the idea of being able to know when you're giving too much throttle like that when you're not giving enough throttle. Because if you're not giving enough throttle the car is going to start gripping up on you and then you're going to straighten up. So if I were to kick this in, not giving enough throttle it's just going to go straight and then it's going to do that. If I give it too much throttle when I don't need it to it's going to do that and it's just going to completely lose it. So you kind of have to be conscious of how much throttle that's why doing these, essentially doing little circles I'm going to transition this way doing little circles kind of gives you that feel of you can mess around with, see right now I'm full throttle I'm easing off a little bit because I don't want to go too wide I know what I can do when steering inputs I can mess around with what happens if I do this what happens if I do that I can see how the car reacts So once you know how the car reacts then you can pretty much just be able to kick it in run your nice lines and be able to get off the gas, use the brake, transition you don't even really have to use a handbrake because if you use the weight of the car and just tap the brakes a little bit and just get off the feather of the gas you can actually transition pretty much without an ebrake now there's certain times where like if you're going at a high rate of speed and clutch kicking it's not really going to get you sideways enough and that's where the handbrake comes into play or you can upset the weight of the car one way get the brakes and upset it back the other way do a faint initiation but if you're just first starting out on a wheel don't get frustrated with it it does take a little bit of time to get used to especially in this game it took me a few to get used to physics the car also makes a big big impact on how the wheel reacts so like I said this is a 400 horsepower 350Z wide body kit stock tires stock pretty much a lot so as for the tuning of it we are running about 28 pounds and 28 and a half in the front 26 in the rear gearing is stock transmission we do have a clutch and a two stage rear diff as for linements we are running 3 degrees of camber in the front 1 degree in the rear 1 degree at toe 0.5 and 7 in caster any wheelbars we are not running anywhere on the stocks and as for spring rates I left the spring rates all the same all I did was bump the front up by one now that's so that when you hit the brakes or you're in transition it will actually dive the nose of the car so then you also have rebound and stuff which are all the same arrow if we do have front arrow but I left it braking I did turn down braking force 50% for the ability to stay on the brakes and throttle at the same time and not lose angle it's more of a tandem brake but it's also good for if you're sliding you can slow yourself down without stopping the drift or rotating you too much and then of course the diff 775 it's just settings I found work nicely for me especially on transition with the deceleration so we're going to leave those so back to basically what we were here today so like I said the biggest thing is just knowing what the car is going to do before it does it so if you can figure out what the car is going to do before it does it because you put the car to do it you're going to be fine clutch kick we'll throw a flick of the wheel and we're there so and then I can stay there got off throttle lost angle stay more throttle more angle feather off throttle straighten up the other thing is if you want to come out of a drift you know sometimes getting off the gas immediately is not always the best because the car could oscillate one way or another yes getting off the gas right away is good too because it could help but what I found if you want to come out ease yourself off the gas not fully completely just like slowly ease yourself off throttle and you'll be able to come out of it without snapping back the other way because if you're still on throttle you're going to snap back and that's the biggest thing when it comes to transitioning so kicking in this way transitioning you kind of can't just stay on the gas and that's why when people transition to the handbrake the reason it works so easy is because you've got to push the clutch when you pull the handbrake you know slowing down the wheel rotation with the handbrake but you're also stopping and getting that lip of throttle to help transition the car the other way so with a transition it's pretty much you kind of got to just feather like full throttle full throttle off get back on have the brakes a little bit to change the way to the car and flick it back in so the biggest thing I can say to help people if you're just learning how to get sideways on a wheel especially in here come to a place like this or any other place in the airports and just get yourself into a drift donut I know it may seem remedial and it may seem very amateur to do a drift donut but the thing is that drift donut is the basics of everything that drifting is it's learning throttle control it's learning steering control it's learning everything that you need to be able to put together say a perfect line in a street situation so we're going to see if we can't rip this in here and see if we can't do some transitions and just throw this car around a little bit and see if we can have a little fun with it you break in throw it in really hard short kick it back this way use the brakes to transition I wanted to try to run that whole thing but I couldn't so this thing is too wide to run the long straight so you can run some really nice figure 8s in this place so you can learn to transition and you can learn about throttle transitioning handbrake transitioning however you want to transition handbrake that way kick it back with the wheel but it's all about knowing how much throttle and how much steering input you need to put for the car so a good set up car that you stay with and you stick with for a long time helps out because you become familiar with the car and you become familiar with how the car reacts so how much throttle and play so then when you're not in a situation where you're on a set small area where you know the turn you can gauge the turn and you can pretty much just go I know what's going to happen right here I know how much I got to give the car I know how much steering I got to go and you can throw yourself a nice little line down the street so it's really all about knowing how much throttle and steering input so doing the drift donuts I can't stress enough is a very good way to learn that and figure out what you need to do and how much you can give the car because then you can just do that and just know how much you got to give the car pull the handbrakes and you know know what you're doing but that's where I started off I started figuring this game out when I was trying to get wheelsetting I pretty much just found myself in the donut section at the festival area just doing some donuts and figuring it all out so I was going to overshoot that so that's how I figured it out I just was doing the donuts figuring out how much throttle the cars can get how much reaction the car got when I did certain things and that's how I was able to do what I was doing in the game so this 3 to Z handles really well a fun little car and I'm probably going to keep using this car for a while so I hope this helps a lot of you guys out with basically a little glimpse into I need that oh did I miss that get wrecked into you know a little help you know to kind of get used to the wheel and how it reacts so a lot of people get frustrated where they're just trying to throw themselves into a drift turn or say into those hairpins up in the mountains by the by the festival which we'll head to just so we can rip this car they'll throw themselves into those they don't understand how much steering input they should be giving and they're like oh man I can't drift I keep spinning out because they're not used to how much input they need drifting on a like on a mountain road or something where you don't know a set takes a little time and a little practice once you know the basics of car control and how much throttle input and how much steering input you can do then you'll be able to do whatever you really feel like doing that's why I know it seems probably remedial a lot of people are going to be like oh that's stupid I you know don't knock until you try give it a shot you know see if it helps out because you may be surprised at doing a couple donuts and then switching into figure 8 how quickly you are able to do all that without you know spinning out so we got to throw this in here and a little wider than I wanted to and I did not have enough power because I forgot to clutch kick the car there we go little more clutch kicks keeps the power going so like I said this thing handles so nice I think I'm going to throw a lot more power into this car for myself but it's a good basic if you put the car around 400 horsepower with a diff and a drift suspension so I will leave this tune up if you guys want to give it a shot for basically just you know a beginning drift car it's a very stable beginning drift car so not too overpowered but still has power because another thing is you don't want to start off with a car that has 1000 horsepower or so much power that you know you just spin out so if you can learn on a lower horsepower car it's easier because you can pretty much stay full throttle and drift your turns whereas on a higher horsepower car you really have to be able to modulate your throttle like this is a flat out turn that was just full flat out no lifts, fourth gear just flat through the turn so start off with a lower horsepower car don't start off with an FD car it's also something that has 900 some horsepower because once you can drift on a lower horsepower car you understand throttle control to defensive you understand how much throttle you need so then you can start modulating your throttle in other aspects and then you'll be able to start really drifting the way you want to so I hope this guy helps you guys a little bit I think I'm going to do this live for the time so as always you guys know all that's found in the description box below if you guys have any other questions please let me know down in the comment section down below if you guys tried this and you think it helped out please let me know because if you guys are enjoying these little tutorials on drifting with these cars and stuff I'll continue to bring more tutorials to the channel getting a little more into like runs or a certain thing so like let me know what you guys think how you guys feel about this I do enjoy helping everybody out as much as I can I feel like I need my Kona's egg or something very powerful for this for the time so as always I like thank you guys for watching let me know in the comment section down below what you guys think of this and ooh never mind I will take my uh skills boost of Vendedor so as always I thank you guys for watching and until next time I'm EvilRabbit I'll see you guys on the next one