 Scrat you're gonna try to crop a shot. I'd like to but I don't think I'll be able to Because it'd be better if it was mean you can do it in webcam settings if you had that Yeah, and that's not gonna happen. Whoa stop that you're making us all Stop stop hamming it up stop it with the physical comedy All right Yeah, let's get an audio program underway. Shall we let's do it here? We go Hey, this is Chet Page and you are listening to the Daily Tech News show This show is entirely sponsored by listeners like you if you would like to help contribute to the show head on over to patreon.com Slash ace detect. That's patreon.com slash a CEDT ECT give this man some more chairs This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, August 6th 2015 on time married joining me today mr. Justin Robert young on the campaign trail in Ohio. I am yeah The Republican debates are the first Republican debates of this primary season are this evening in Cleveland So to deploy to deploy our best resources me and John Teesdale one of the co-creators of the brand new game The contender available on Kickstarter a game of political debate. It's cards against humanity meets politics Are here in Cincinnati which? Real geographical screw up by us. Well, they both begin with C. It's understandable I mean we were about as far away from the actual debates as the actual debates are from any kind of relevancy to our lives So I think there's there might be a poetic justice there. Well said well said we got tech news to talk about Including a very provocative keynote speech from the black hat conference. Let's start off with some headlines And gadget reports that HBO now works with Google's Chromecast stick for iOS and Android It's also expected to update today for Android I think it already is there for iOS travel channel and food network also join the Chromecast team next up for HBO now They say Amazon Fire TV devices What we still don't know about is Roku although an HBO spokesperson said the company wants to bring HBO now to all Services that currently support HBO go so if you wanted to go buy a Chromecast, but we're waiting on HBO now is the time You know, do you kind of worry that that Roku just might be a little too? It seems like this is this is such a Rapidly maturing space and Roku doesn't seem to have a Major person at the wheel to make these kind of deals happen Does that make you do you get that feeling like like maybe they're just not quite there My honest reaction is it might seem like that I get where you're coming from But things like that sometimes seem like it and aren't true. You know I'm saying like sure I is there is it really just cuz like oh well HBO now isn't on there But I mean they've got Hulu they got Netflix they get Netflix updates pretty much along with the other boxes I don't know well. They were wrong. I just don't know are they they were spun out from Netflix Weren't they initially like way when Netflix was the original partner when they launched Okay, the Roku Netflix player cuz they didn't have any other apps. Yes, they weren't part of Netflix Well, you know, I love it cuz I love my Roku But I really just hope that they continue to thrive. Well, you know, I'll Gigantic players are also in the space and if it gets more important every day If Roku ends up being the last on the block to get this actually usually Apple TV is the later one to get stuff HBO now is an exception because Apple got in there and struck a good deal but then I guess that's the thing is now as We see these over the air or start over the top services become more and more of the norm and you see things like You know Disney begin to have its stock price affected by the mother of all cable subscribe cable subscription fee Per the cash cows ESPN start to suffer a little bit that this is going to be a rapidly You know that this is gonna go from from old West shantytown to Metropolis really quick And if I'm gonna play Roku fanboy for a moment, we have Thousands more apps than any other set top box out there. We were one of the first to get sling TV We are one of the first to get fill in the blank five other things that I had my PR department research We are well positioned. In fact, we are best positioned for that frontier of which you Justin Yeah, I mean there's that if you want to be a Homer like that's definitely anything you could say Speaking of rapidly developing areas of internet content Apple said Thursday that Apple music has more than a hundred Sorry 11 million members during its free trial period two million people have chosen the free Family a trial plan for comparison Spotify has more than 20 million paid subscribers worldwide Apple also announced a new high for its app store with 1.7 billion transactions That's not a lot. I'm gonna be honest with you That's not a lot for a lot of subscribers for a free trial period. I mean You got Spotify over there with 20 million and granted Apple's not gonna come with 20 million right out of the gate But they should be closer to that I think because you figure a lot of these trial people are as soon as they get charged For the first time are just gonna drop right off Yes, and no, I mean this is you know with the evolving over the top kind of eco space It's been interesting to watch what that You know that that burn and return rate kind of is especially on on free trials You know 11 million compared to I mean if Spotify is the industry leader at 20 and they have half that in free trials right now Before you know you gotta figure Apple also has the built-in advantage that every year They're gonna release a new iPhone and every year there's going to be new people that get it and on that screen that that when they first launch It will say hey, would you like to start a free trial of Apple music? Or if they continue to do it past that so I don't know I mean I guess I don't know enough about that space to say whether or not it's good or bad But it certainly means they are a player and if right now they are the clear number two to Spotify Then it's better than being you know the clear number three behind Spotify and title or Google music Are they number two? I didn't say anything about that and I definitely would call them number two with these are all trial period still at this point Well, I mean But how many so so Spotify is 20 million paid 21 million paid Yeah, Apple has 11 million total and they're all free right now right now. They're all free. Yeah, we'll see See net reports Microsoft's latest version of Outlook for iOS supports the Apple watch Users can glance at email get notifications of new messages and use preset replies Even emojis and dictation as you can with most things to respond and ours technical notes that Microsoft also announced today It is open sourcing large parts of project Island would its set of libraries and development tools that make it easy to port iOS apps to Windows the first code release is available on github under the MIT license So, you know if you're an Outlook user and you're an Apple watch user I don't know how big that Venn diagram is but this is great news And it's you know more of satcham and out there making sure that as much Microsoft product works with as many different things as possible Yeah Had to change the impression because the last one got political Yeah, we officially dropped the IA off of satcham and no, yeah, he's the satcham and yeah Reuters reports that HTC said it will cut jobs and discontinue models as part of its strategy to focus on high-end Devices and developing markets like India CFO Shailen Chang said the cuts will be across the board and that they will be significant Cost reductions would extend to the first quarter of 2016 But no further details were given man the piece of this that caught my eye Is HTC saying we're gonna send sell high-end phones to India as our big bet That's not to say there's not a lot of folks willing to spend some money on high-end phones in India but That's not where the big growth market is And there are a lot of competition for high-end phones in the world So I don't know that I would stake the future of my company on that particular strategy It certainly is counterintuitive, you know, and so crazy just my work factor Is that what you're saying the hope for HTC is that they are not too clever by half and they You know really shoot themselves in the foot But I can understand where they're coming from when you look at the fact that you know Apple sells whatever Amount of smartphones they do and yet make like upwards of 75% of the profit in the market You know the dream of selling the high-end phone is certainly something that I can understand to be appealing But I agree with you the the emerging market I don't know if that's gonna be the place that they're going to you know stake their claim I mean I get the logic which is like well everybody's trying to sell the mid-range phones in India So we'll just jump head to the high-end phones. They don't have a terrible brand for that though No, they don't they make really good high-end phones. That's the really sad part is the HTC one has been universally praised as a great phone Yeah It's just you know, where do you go from here? Almost a third of Britain's access the web using a smartphone according to the next web That number is a full 10 percentage points higher than the previous year according to data provided to the Guardian by Ofcom Demand for video and availability of higher mobile connection speeds are cited as a couple of the reasons to see that increase Other highlights from the report show 19% of Britain's use tablets to access the web Two-thirds of adults have a smartphone and the average time spent online with a smartphone is one hour and 54 minutes You know it Have we really appreciated like in in our tech space because I feel like we were we are just the the proverbial boiling frog that the great democratization of mobile data and and and smartphones has just Really been like that the defining characteristic of our age, you know It's kind of what Scott and I were talking about yesterday except in reverse We were talking about is this a problem that it has become the defining piece of technology of our age But you're absolutely right like this is the great equalizer people who would never in a million years Pick up a laptop for themselves Definitely have smart phones and if you look at what it's done to the debate about the digital divide that before it was like All right, we got a wire of the Ozarks, you know, we had we had to have our own Ohio Valley You know your project to make sure that we get internet to everybody who can or to disenfranchise or poor communities and Now it's like well, let's just see if we can get a you know some sort of a repeater out there So the phones that they already have can just get better and faster internet Yeah, it was the first way that my sister had living out in the country Was able to get reliable decent internet with somebody beam and Ymax out in the out in the rural areas Tech crunch reports that IBM announced it will pay a billion dollars for merge health care a medical imaging company IBM plans to fold the technology in to the Watson health unit, which has been focusing on natural language procession or processing IBM wants the Watson supercomputer to start learning pictures and video and what better way than with billions of images of bodily organs For its future human slay the peaceful human counterparts Ah Yes, Watson use your powers for good But seriously the amount of imaging data that's available to medical practitioners today, especially radiologists apparently is Overwhelming it's not that they can't look at an image and be able to tell what's there It's that there's too much image the images are too high resolution. There's too many of them And not too many of them in a bad way It's that it's really hard to wrap your head around all the data that can be done And so something like Watson which is already proven to be very helpful in diagnostics if it can actually analyze images and point doctors in the right Direction say look here first. Yeah, it's not trying to do the job of the doctors for them But it's could provide a great assistance in cutting down the tediousness of having to sort through all of the images You know in it is yet another great example of us kind of And we're just so close we are we are so close to big data being big Relevancy to us on a more on a more retail and understandable level that you look at this And it's not far from from you know us just seeing major breakthroughs with a lot of this computing power Yeah, absolutely. No, this is really exciting stuff And this is the kind of medical technology that that does get me excited where it's actually helping doctors do their jobs Better not that I don't get excited about You know some biotech stuff or or even though the robotics and everything But but just just making people smarter is what this feels like We have a great subreddit at daily tech news show dot reddit comm in fact today Scotty Rowland One of the folks who manages that subred he's got started the subreddit is gonna kick off an AMA series I'm gonna be the first one on there So if you're around at 6 p.m. Eastern time 3 p.m. Pacific and want to jump in there with some questions Please do but every day we ask for people 24 hours a day to get in there and vote on Stories being submitted or even submit some of your own Abituella condolce he Again, I want to thank him for submitting so many Good good links because he's a he yeah, I'm like what I said yesterday on the show Sorry Sweet Yeah, well, you know wrong with that No writers has a report of the financial time story that Kevin Mahaffey CTO of lookout and Mark Rogers Principal security researcher at Cloudflare will detail how they hacked a Tesla at Defconn on Friday The researchers had to connect a laptop from inside the car So it's not a remote hack But they were able to shut the car down at low speed of around five miles per hour screens went black music turned off The handbrake came on they gave Tesla credit for having some pretty good firewalls Tesla, for instance Does not connect its entertainment system to its drive system? They said that there was a pretty graceful way that the car came to a stop once it actually had been hacked Recode reports Tesla says they have patched the flaw in an over-the-air update man, and we are gonna talk a lot more about Defconn, but Do you get the sense that especially this year and it has been increasing every year since the Prism leaks that Defconn is kind of becoming this major newsmaking event year-on-year No, no, I don't I Really don't I'm not even playing. I'm not even playing devil's advocate here Like I feel like exactly the same number of stories are coming out of Defconn and black hat has always come out The difference is if I'm CNN a browser got hacked a Car got hacked. Whoa, so I guess in that sense Their bigger stories that feel more relevant to people because yeah, we're getting a lot more car hacks now So and I guess that but that's my point. Okay, it's not that black They're not a Defconn has changed Defconn in many ways that the big boy never left, you know They've been providing these same great news at low prices for years don't come back The difference is we're ready to hear what's happening at Defconn And we understand it and is relevant to us in a way that it really really hasn't been before Yeah, I think that's fair to say for sure a lot more people are in tune not just because it's about cars Right that that makes it easier for people to identify Also because of what you said about prism and Snowden revelations where people are thinking about these issues more I think that's a good point and you were able to rope in big bold face buzz feed click bait names like Google Apple Yahoo face Yeah that kind of stuff But here we go Star Fury Zeta submitted a ZD net article from black hat that fire I researchers tau way and you long Zhang have four methods to remotely steal fingerprints from Android phones the hack works on the HTC one max Sorry India and Samsung Galaxy s5 phones because the fingerprint sensors are guarded by system privilege rather than root Affected vendors have issued patches for their vulnerabilities That's that's another trend that I'm noticing which I think is different is a lot more of these vulnerabilities have already been patched There's a lot more responsible disclosure and a lot more vendors actually responding to responsible disclosure In fact, there's probably the same amount of responsible disclosure just more response to it than in the past And that's a good thing you want to hear about these kinds of hacks They're like hey we found this thing it was really bad, but you know what there's a patch for it So you can go protect yourself about it just points out how important it is to keep your system up to date and That just shows you what that increased relevancy and news media attention can do for you because now if you are HTC or Samsung You are not just guarding against you like oh whatever make your noise in your nerd conferences You know kids whatever this is major news and especially on the heels of some of the other Android vulnerabilities Can be dangerously looked at as a trend if you want it is quite hard enough and and pulling back to two things You said before one is you know the rising tide of mobile device usage Makes these sorts of things become more relevant to people because instead of saying oh, that's my nerdy friends problem because he uses computers It's my problem because I I use a phone and my phone has a fingerprint sensor. Wait a minute. I thought that was safe Yeah Yeah, Kevin Kipper sent us the torrent freak post updating citizens of the United Kingdom What is and is not legal after the High Court overturned the legalization of copying for private use remember the High Court said no You cannot pass legislation making it legal for you to copy something for a private use So the UK Intellectual Property Office specifically has issued some guidance saying that a CD Ripped to an mp3 player is not permitted that makes itunes essentially illegal Also creating backups without permission from a copyright holder is precluded which makes Backing up your computer or using things like Dropbox essentially illegal In fact any use of a computer which regularly makes copies of its own data into RAM Probably could be considered illegal. So subjects of the crown legally should just stop using computers you know UK this is why we had to break up 200 plus years ago, you know, we saw this coming He has a giant American flag behind him. Yeah, I know I'm just gonna start chaining USA at some point Of course, this is great bait for us the the tech nerds set to you know wave our fists Angrily and say look at the dummies over there looking are you catching the UK Intellectual Property Office like trolling here? Intellectual Property Office was the one implementing the new legislation said yeah You have the right to do backups the High Court steps in and says no, that's all right UK Property Office like fine Then y'all are illegal. Yeah, they made me say it Yeah, well, I mean and they should I mean this if you are going to make this a kitchen table issue And this is going to be this is a sillier Element of this that we're going to get to a more serious side in our discussion topic But if you want to make these issues Relevant you need to make them what is referred to in politics as kitchen table issues and so Whether or not there is a minutiae of you know What the High Court will decide in terms of copyright law boring snooze wake me up when you're done talking iTunes is illegal What I have iTunes am I a criminal now all of a sudden it's a kitchen table issue So I I appreciate that this is being talked about in these kind of terms because if they're not then we just Continue to get things like like the DMCA that are overreaching and don't make a whole lot of sense and stifle You know productivity even for people like me who are very very very Focused on copyright holders keeping the rights to make money on their on their material Yeah, this is this is absolutely beyond the pale believe that they might be called tea service tables in Sorry They're not I just made that all right, so at Did black hat which we black hat and Def Con kind of run right into each other black hat is more of the industrial Government related you'll get a lot more employees of government at black hat So they have had government people speaking, you know famously and Defending the government surveillance programs this year They invited Jennifer Granick director of civil liberties at the Stanford Center for Internet and Society former EFF Lawyer she gave the keynote and talked about the danger of the Centralization of the internet in the name of security and convenience. She said it increasingly facilitates surveillance Censorship and control she talked about how we have level three for fiber Google for search engines and Android there's a choke points for regulation everywhere whether they're governmental or not and She says we need to get rid of secret law We have secret law in this country and it's an abomination in the face of democracy and those are those are laws most famously usually it's like some kind of You can't travel TSA law and they say and you say well show me the regulation that says that and and they won't yeah That that famously happened to John Gilmore an engineer and and civil liberties fighter on the internet so If I were to summarize this what she's saying is that Bad actors pull off bad things and we all want to fight that y'all hack on the office of personnel management hack on Sony But then the government comes in and cracks down with tough laws Somebody else gets prosecuted as a result of those laws and those laws are things like the digital millennium copyright actor the computer fraud and abuse act So you get weave Convicted because he was incrementing URLs He was just changing URLs pretty innocent behavior You get a 14-year-old charge with a felony for changing a background image on a teacher's computer the inspiration for the crackdowns However aren't touched those bad actors overseas those bad actors that we don't know where they're coming from They aren't subject to our law and in the same time these new laws make it more difficult for security researchers and as she called it tinkerers To find new vulnerabilities, which is just what we're talking about finding these vulnerabilities This is what makes products safer and secret law that says well you better not do that because it's against the law But we're not gonna tell you why Just has a huge chilling effect where security researchers like well I'm not gonna I'm not gonna bother with it and we find fewer problems with our code Which makes it less secure which makes it more vulnerable to the bad actors who aren't subject to our laws in the first place I mean beautifully stated We have two major problems there are two two issues with with this this speech in particular one is a system problem She lays out very credibly where there are choke points in which you can put big gigantic regulations And you can effectively clamp down on the internet which was designed to be a decentralized rooting around You know inefficient or a hampered path so we can continue to run wild and free through the grassy meadow of amazing digital awesomeness and then There is the law element and and this and this secret law stuff and everything you said is so prescient and so true and It I'm going to I'm just gonna go out there on a limb and and say that a lot of this is Stuff that was made secret because people didn't want to pay attention to it initially And we could and the government could get away with not having to explain it because again There were only so many people who were going to ask and they did not have much power This is the point This is the time and this is the rallying cry that we need to hear so more and more we can say wait a minute Why are these things happening? Why are these CEOs of? Major companies like Google and Apple and Facebook not allowed to talk about the what they have done for the prism You know the prism system although by you know, whatever indications they would very much like to be as transparent as possible These are things that are not clear We don't know and it is a very I think a poignant that today We are going to have a bunch of people that are running for the presidency of the United States up on stage answering questions And I would love on both sides of the aisle for there to be a Yes, or no question. Is this something that you think is necessary and why? Because you need to justify and I think that there are arguments that some of these have good rule that there is good ruling, but why? When it comes to something that is so invaluable to the economy and the freedom of Of not only American citizenry, but the world are we not being clear and can you know clear with? What our regulations are, you know that is insane. We're not talking about black helicopters. We're not talking about secret governments We're talking about mostly policy papers and and and interpretations So most famously during president Bush's administration There was an interpretation of the Patriot Act that said you will prosecute people under these particular Interpretation we believe this is our legal access and they wouldn't let anybody see what that access was So it was tantamount to a secret law and I think that's mostly the kind of thing She's talking about was in the technology community the computer fraud and abuse act has very similar aspects to it where it's very vague it's a very wide-ranging most people say overreaching and It can be used as a weapon to say well, you know, you do that. We'll go after you with computer fraud and abuse act Which it there should be a computer fraud and abuse act But it shouldn't be so wide-ranging and so overreaching that people who are just trying to test systems Yeah, the good of those systems Are either hauled into jail Scared into not doing their work or just get out of the business altogether and that has in fact happened Now she has three really relevant quotes here. John Gilmore as I mentioned before Famously has said the net interpret censorship as damage and routes around it You know, that's the source of me always talking about the internet routes around, right? She points out Tim Wu in his book the master switch talks about the historical progression of information technology as hobby to industry free to controlled open to closed and that we are at that transition point with the internet right now and She says we need to either work very hard to fight against that kind of centralization Both privately with companies like Google but also publicly with with the government and we here's a quote from her We need to be ready to smash it apart and make something new and better and and That is what I have always taken from from like that that that master switch quote Is that it goes from open to closed because oftentimes it becomes less relevant that that the most relevant is the most open Because that is what we like because that oftentimes breeds the greatest efficiency What I I think is something that that needs to be understood in this topic is something that you just brought up This makes for weak systems. We are lesser We are weaker when we keep too much under wraps when we keep too much in the darkness This is the reason why you know, you know when when the wiki leaks of Issue happened and this is not the same thing specifically, but I think the same philosophically There were people inside the Pentagon that we're saying yeah We knew we were gonna get burnt by this because we just classify too much There's too much that we put in to classification And therefore more people have to have classified access and therefore we put ourselves at risk to have things fall out into the public eye that there is a Toll there is a damage to not being transparent on everything that we can and that is I think What is legitimately there to be argued is are we keeping in in a in a tide of rising? Technological technological literacy Are we doing ourselves a great disservice by not putting these rules and regulations out in the sunshine? Where they where they effectively belong and and that was the promise of the internet right is it will bring more transparency? It will decentralize things and it has to a point But what I think Granik and several other people Consistently are pointing out is we're letting it slip away. We're letting it be centralized and we're participating in that By saying you know what? I'm gonna put all my data with Google You know what I'm gonna do all my postings on Facebook You know what when the government passes these laws on surveillance? I'm gonna covetch about it, but I'm really not gonna do much to to fight it And I'm not gonna do much to protect myself And I'm not gonna worry about encryption and I'm not gonna you know and she goes on and on some of the points I think she makes her a little a little more extreme than others I think people are actually are very concerned with privacy and security But where she has a point is that they want someone to provide that solution and though Someone's maybe the very people they shouldn't be trusting to provide those solutions So it it's a fair point. She brings up and I don't think she has an answer in her keynote But I don't think she meant to I think what she's saying is hey wake up call Ladies and gentlemen, this this is something we are going to lose a huge advantage that we have gained if we don't pay attention And and I think there is and I mean this metaphorically and not literally a bit of a political grandstanding here I mean that this was like you said a conference that by all accounts is a little bit more Tilted toward a favorable idea of some of the government You know regulations that the head of the NSA was the keynote speaker there last year and got a favorable response So I think that there was a reason why this came out as fire and brimstone as as as it did And it was as dire of a warning as it was but There are some really legitimate points here and and and it's if we're not going to make it something that we talk about Then then these laws they it doesn't matter whether they're secret or not, you know Like they're they're they're just going to be irrelevant to people because that you know, it's just a Ghost in the wind. Yeah, and while accounts. She's getting Amazing response. She packed the room people were cheering One great quote I saw a tweet from Neil Rubin king on this dark reading calm story People are more afraid of sharks than cows, but cows kill ten times more be afraid of the right things And I think that's where I want to leave this is you know a lot of times We're afraid of sharks right and the government does this over and over like look out for that, you know Threat over there in this case, so you know cyber attacks We need to defend against that threat over there And those are sharks meanwhile We've got all kinds of cows around that could totally gore us and kill us if we're not careful with them They're not dangerous in and of themselves, but we're not being careful with them So we need to take care of our cows Not to mention, you know, they're they're farts that, you know, erode the ozone layer Yeah, absolutely just by existing although they're tasty All right, let's move on to our pick of the day dual pick of the day podcasting apps One from Corey and one from Nate Corey says I found a podcasting service that gives you more social and discovery options for podcasts than I've ever seen before called Knomad K-N-O-M-A-D At K-N-O-M-A-D.com. It's currently only on iOS, but it's making its way cataloging and indexing shows best part It is I finally have a large play pause button to use in my car. The interface is really great DTS frogpads diamond club shows are on there as well And then Nate wants to recommend podcast attic he says created by an independent not a big company Every feature is available with the free version They only charge if you want to remove advertising And we got a link to the google play store if you want to check out podcast addict as well Man that is you know trying to discuss somebody's method for listening to podcast because it is such a personal medium You know is is like trying to discuss religion sometimes like so just Take that as you will if you like what you do There's no need to write in an email or send back on twitter that you love what you love We all love what we love and we can enjoy it as long as we are all listening to daily tech news show You're cool by us. Yeah, just a couple other ideas. That's all But do send your picks for all kinds of things to feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Uh, so yesterday kind of related to today's topic We were talking about computer literacy and we got a lot of great feedback from this Comey says when I help people with computer issues if they say something like I don't know I touched something and it died Then I can't help them He says if they say when I dragged the icon instead of clicking and it showed an error dialogue Then I know I can help them knowing the very basic basic terminology and how to describe what you experienced Is an important communication skill in any field of knowledge and comey says I think that's the literacy part of computer literacy Yeah, you know It's I I I agree with half of that more than I agree with the second half I think that there is a need to understand some of the specific dialogue But more than that I think that there is a need for people to understand that very often what they think happened Did not happen with with with technology It is so easy to get lost in the woods and I found myself to be immediately 75% made of stat uh You know a more computer literate them the the second that I realized that I did not know what I was doing And to try to explain it to somebody Uh beyond just the most basic I did x and then why uh terms was going to Only further confuse the situation rich from lovely cleveland compares it to where cars were in the 50s and 60s. He says Uh, you need shop class. You don't need to be able to completely rebuild an engine But you should be able to do basic maintenance and he says as devices become more sophisticated I think they'll require more specialized knowledges and tools Putting it into the purview of commodified specialists, but that implies an inherent reliability So we you know progressing to the point where we don't need to be able to understand how computers Work in every aspect of them, uh, could be a good thing. He says Paul said I was listening to that email that spawned the fascinating discussion yesterday's episode And there was mention of rotary dialed telephones. I can speak directly to that I was giving an intro to technical writing presentation at the local writers conference in may Rotary telephones was part of the example roughly half of my attendees had no experience with a rotary dialed telephone Two of which had never even seen one in their lifetime suffice to say I felt old Yeah, dude Uh, and then finally yaru in rainy melasia, uh talking about touch devices says Usage in the working world is only going to increase for touch devices But i'm not convinced that they'll replace the traditional mouse and keyboard altogether This is because strangely enough physical keyboards and mice Are and can be more efficient in many cases for a lot of people just by the nature of their shape Very interesting. I you know, I have to say The only thing that would replace a keyboard for me like I hate touch screen keyboards I much prefer physical keyboard because I can feel where I'm going and I you know, I just type faster on it Uh, the only thing that would replace it for me would be sub vocalization If I don't have to say anything out loud I can just make the movements so i'm not bothering anybody nobody can hear what i'm saying But it makes the word show up or moves the cursor around I could see that that's a maybe a longer way down the road But that's the only thing I could think of anyway. Yeah, I just always think with that kind of stuff that you know You know, it's like the the quickest way to make god laugh is enhancing your plans out loud Like, you know, the the quickest way to look like an idiot in 10 years is to announce what you believe the near future is going to be Especially in this climate Totally no, it's going to be something entirely different than what I just described but yeah It's going to take something that really makes it easy For me to enter that text without anyone else being easily able to see what i'm doing and me You know Bothering them uh Dwayne from germany again wrote in and said you and veronica asked and microsoft delivered Translation for ios and android at the correlating watches. I says it looks pretty cool on the watches too Uh, that is awesome Yeah, so thanks microsoft. Uh, veronica and I will come up with another list of things we would like you to create And that is it to the top Folks, if you haven't checked out the contender card game You haven't fully entered This current election cycle and if you are saying good, I don't want to be part of this election cycle The contender is the only thing that will actually help you bear the next couple years Uh, oh dude. Yeah, listen, we are just again This is the very very very very tip of the iceberg not one but two political debates happening tonight With the a field of 47 000 republican candidates all arguing at once They the the contender you know and i've talked about it a little bit on the show It is it is now live go ahead and check it out the contender Dot us slash kickstarter is the short link that you need to See everything and if you are watching live Then go ahead and check us out right after we are done We will be on diamond club dot tv and we will be watching both debates There is an undercard and a main event for the debates today And we're going to be watching both of them and creating new cards that we will release to everybody For free this uh this evening once everything is all done so We got a bunch of really fun things that we're going to do So go ahead and check us out But the contender kickstarter has been a gigantic success and I got to thank So many of the listeners for dt and 2 dtns for that You know the diamond club and frog pants community came out in a major way when this thing launched So thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much to everybody who backed and if you didn't check us out The contender dot us slash kickstarter as raved about by fast company daily dot and and so many more It's uh, you know, I don't know. I think it's fun, but I made it. So yeah, it is fun. I didn't make it I could still say that Thank you to all of our bosses That's not most of you But those of you who actually do pitch in and help create the show so that the others can enjoy it You guys are amazing. Uh, those of you who can't pitch in or don't pitch in It's fine. Here's what I want you to do. That's the that's the a big chunk of you out there that are that are like, you know What I'll let somebody else carry me for a while totally fine All I want you to do is go tell one other person today that you think might enjoy this show To check out daily tech news show somebody who doesn't know about it. Just do that and you're clean. You're good You're fine Your consciousness is totally clear Just just go tell one other person like hey go check out daily tech news show dot com I think you'd really like it and then understand that's why there was only one set of footprints in the sand Go check out our uh, ask me anything that i'll be doing this afternoon in the subreddit daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com. Give us call 51259 daily That's 5932459 listen to the show live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m Eastern player dot alpha gig radio dot com and visit our website daily tech news show dot com back tomorrow with Lamar wilson and len parolton talk to you then The show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this brover And that bosses Is what you just made happen. You're the best. Oh my god. Uh, all right. Well, I hate to drop out here But uh, I got a I got a rock and roll live. You got an election to run I understand we got we got to turn on fox news and get get get a cranking. So uh, Ram and rick perry are probably already You know spit and hot fire. Uh, we're we're gonna have to go check it out. All right, man Go do good work amiclub.tv as soon as tom is over Excellent Bye That was a good show. What should we call it? Uh, well, I think we should call it um Ibe m medical is the top vote getter right now with ibe medical ibe medical ibe medical Uh, I want to cast hbo now that one's good too. I like that HTC later. Uh, sad but true That one's pretty good. Yeah Pull my fingerprint I like that DRM deranged rights management. Yeah, it's true enough Uh Legal loopholes lack logical legislation get in there on showbot.tv do some voting. Let us know which one you like The such a man. He's the such a man. This is why we broke up in 1776 Car hacks have a knack to pack black hat flak. Wow Poetic oh my gosh, that was uh, I see well played. I see you. Yeah. Yeah Yeah Don't let the cows kill the internet I like that one too that one's main topic. Whoo Um theater monkey Don't let the cows kill the internet a lot of things about android's finger The internet is full of cows I kind of like that one That's what I got the internet is full of cows Showbot.tv if you're watching live or listening live go click on a cow or something you like Do it right now We had a story about a cow and a potato gun We had a story about a cow and a potato gun and tell it anyway this week I heard the uh, I heard the potato gun Yeah, yeah, and I heard bio cow story Uh, which then I realized I had heard a similar story on nine attack. I know that was our one repeater That's okay. We don't totally overlap out of that. That's fine Um But my story my bio cow story was the actual accurate one As opposed to the one that was allowed to be ginned up to keep the right right You he had no fear of being brodyed while he was doing tell it anyway So you can get the uh, you can get the story behind the story story behind the story Which is involves less guns. Yeah Yeah, I thought there were parts of that missing. Oh, I never revealed to Justin that I was wearing the uh The jacket for his wedding. Oh, right. I don't know if he realized that All right time it's it's go time. It's time to pick a title Um Well, I think I like the one about the cows The internet is full of cows Or don't let the cows kill the internet. I like don't let the cows kill the internet Because that explains it Yep done Sorry, don't pull my fingerprint Sorry cows And cows Don't let the cows heard down on you Pull my fingerprint pull my fingerprint Snacked all the keys I'm so excited to get chet page to do today's uh, pre-roll amazing. Yeah That was a good one Floored up I'm just exporting. You know what though? I think I'm gonna uh, jump out of here a little earlier Even though I'm still editing so that we can make room for jury To get going with the election coverage on diamondclub.tv and also To get prepped for the subreddit AMA So if you're watching live go check that out daily tech news show at reddit.com. I'll tweet out a direct link and If not, you can still jump in there and see things. Who knows? Maybe I'll swing back through and answer questions even after the main period So Maybe I'll learn how to see an AMA You will you will you will be