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My friend and brother, Frank Shaibu, Dr. Frank Shaibu, which should not be a stranger to you because I want to believe that you played your dues in this game well enough to know those who work for the reds and who work for the blues. It is claiming in a recent publication that President Bola Metinumbu's lawyers are trying to forestall a pronouncement of court to the effect that the CIA and the FBI should release the dozer that they have on him. I hope you must have read the piece. What is your take? I am very afraid of a movement that is making all attempts to hand over this sovereignty of our country to another country. All attempts being made by President Bola Metinumbu and all his followers is a clear show of desperation. All in all, that intends to preside over Nigeria as a president. Such character is not expected from him. If it is our winning election, there is a limit to which you should go. Attempt that is being made by I think it is over the bar. As a patriotic Nigeria, I will sincerely advise him to have a rethink. I think we have a work of Salam, Yakumu Gwong, Baba Gidan and Jonathan. They have a very impressive compulsion and that is why every part of Africa calls on us to give us a model. Once it is nineteen, sixty-first, we have never had another incident that we want to destroy Nigeria. What I am saying is that our country is the heavy of another country. And if there is an individual because of our expedition, you are trying to inspire Nigeria against Nigeria. I don't think it is a good thing. Now addressing the issue in particular, the integrity of our presidents, we should look at this qualification. But there are acceptable standards of ascertaining of the qualification of Mr. Bola Oba if you are our president. There is a limit because Mr. Oba has a life to live beyond his life as a four-year president or eight-year president as the case may be. So in the name of trying to ascertain my qualification, you must not rupture the rest of my life for me. What is the attempt being made on Chinubu? Here is a life to live and there is a limit to which you can push such a conjecture that it is not qualified. There is a limit to it. How is that? The direction? Hello, Razzak. Without wanting to debunk the veracity of the argument that speaks to the desperation of Attiku as you have submitted, without wanting to debunk that one cannot but also look at the argument, one of the arguments of Attiku's spokespersons and indeed Attiku himself in the last world conference he held that he was doing it for the public good of Nigeria. Would you as a Nigerian not be happy that we have somebody that asked the resources to unravel the old essence of the person who is the iconic person of the country that we call us? Is that to change a fact to accept by you? In the rest of the world we must adopt the method. There is a limit to which an aspiration must push you. The people of that country will interject you. And that is what we are telling Attiku that this is the right moment for us to interject you. That if it is in the rest of Nigeria, that interest is not well protected. And that is why you cannot submit the interview of Nigeria to CIE, to FIB in the name of us who established the qualification of the president. When last did anybody come to Nigeria to submit the vote out of their president to us, to appeal for them? Just because it is put in America. So this is not right for us? Razak, I must for the sake of our viewers, I must put some facts straight. The action that led to a court of competent jurisdiction pronouncing that the desires that FBI and CIA have on Bola Metinumbu was not actually initiated by Attiku. Attiku is just playing on Attiku's side. He is similarly playing the first one now. It was actually originated by Undei, the young journalist now in self-exile and some of his American friends. As it is now, maybe as a result of your submission that I am not trying to fault about the desperation of Attiku. Attiku is like giving it a form of amplification within our polity maybe because he thinks he is going to be useful for what he wants to achieve with the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court accepting extra or more evidence that were not initially used in the proceedings at this juncture. So I need to put that straight. But I have been said that I also need to be at least ask you that as a Nigerian beyond the fact that you feel a bit diminished that some of our compatriots are now going beyond our jurisdiction to use malicious listening to seek legal advantage. Beyond that, do you personally as a Nigerian, do you feel there is a need for a more pronounced degree of transparency to be established about the people who are governors? The point is very important. And that is why if you don't ask me certain questions, you don't expect me to answer it. And that goes why next. If you don't ask me questions, I believe certain things about myself as an umpire that presides over who wins and declare a loss for a candidate in an election. I won't answer it. And that is why it's very important that in sports, we are recommended to INAG that. INAG ask the responsibility of screening every political party to act to align the limits every candidate for your position can pursue his aspiration. Now, if that has happened, I think we will have known that he has gone beyond what is permissible as a candidate trying to fight for his candidate and me for his mandate. And that is the question you are asking. Saying that it is very, very appropriate for INAG to also not limit the question and the findings and information about someone who wants to become a president, the governor, only to wear a date of birth and a few other things. And if that has messed up, I mean the most question of debate of whether to move when she does who would have a rising. And even at the end of the issue of whether to move and finished in CSU, it's not beginning to be. So we are bringing that up to win the time of the engineers or bringing the ever ACI reports. What if I tell you that you are not quite fair to INAG. And the reason why I'm saying you are not quite fair to INAG is that if anybody should know, you are one of the most ranking members of the world of social activism that I know since I came back from the diaspora. And I know that you should know that INAG in many respects too has been castrated through plethora of litigations and pronouncement of cuts that INAG can barely do perfunctory task of just getting basic information from candidates. Because INAG was once going in the direction that you just submitted body cuts, slapped INAG back that INAG could not disqualify candidates. It has to be the cuts. INAG, whatever information that the candidates give to INAG should suffice if opponents in the party or outside the party want to use that information against the candidate, they should go to the court. So I'm quite surprised that you of all people who should know you are not slapping INAG back on what INAG had attempted before and the cuts slapped INAG on the list. INAG is completely free and the end of INAG badges through the rank and file of that institution. Limitations from judiciary will not arise because of being a lot established. There will be legislation that applies it out to responsibility. And why it is a legislation that creates a context for what INAG should do. It's not going to be a matter of judiciary gain or go to court again. So I believe we do that there's more to be done to assist INAG to be able to perform its duty and responsibility, which is what INAG have been doing all these years. So I'm just reiterating it now that INAG should be empowered more in terms of legislation that they should have more dependency. If you want or have our country contesting as a politically advanced nation, a rocket should have the rest of the world. INAG is one of the institutions that will get all day. And what I mean in essence is that while recognizing the good that INAG have done, the registration of 100 million voters is impressive. The conduct of officials of INAG in the last election is impressive and there are a lot of other things. INAG was the major reason why their candidate did not emerge as the victor. You said the conduct of INAG in the last election is impressive but there are some out there who really believe that INAG was the major reason why their candidate did not emerge as the victor in the last presidential contestation, electoral contestation. Yes, if I know that this matter will have come up, I will have furnishing with the tabulation of an incident since 1999 to 2003 serving up on the last election. You will have put aside by side violence recorded and a lot of incident. The election that held in February this year recorded in this incident. But because when the era of social media which has the capacity of representing issues, it appears as if this election is filled with violence, unprecedented. But that is not correct. People have that kind of a session to do a bit of more research. And the lazy aspect of today's intellectual course will be concerned because this matter has been opened, debated and closed. Why if we open it again, it will look to me that people have that kind of a position and people don't do their research correctly. Because in the face of the parties and data, you cannot contest that. We all know very well the era of elections where the president said that it will not appear. And that election of that year recorded about the highest level of intelligence and isolation. So for me as available in the record that we have to do the tabulator, not only by me, by local and international institution. The last election, the bad most peaceful election in the history of Nigeria since 1989. That's not contest. The record is there for us to do. So INEC needs a lot of intelligence, they need a lot of support in terms of how Alex will operate. It is important for every political party. It should be mandatory for political parties to train whoever is going to become the president and the governor and senator and chairman. Electric policy position in Nigeria. That there should be a level of engagement during an after election. And immediately imagine the president of Nigeria. That's what you are missing. Look at the entire world. That's what looks like political burial in what we say in INEC in their own country. And they came to run the training. Shamina, by people like you and a lot of others. On what should be the character of your president. What should be the character of the candidate of a political party to become the president of Nigeria. So all these are important. And that is what is missing in many of the candidates in Nigeria. And that's what we have to do. We have to do. Where we don't know where we have a limited service. What you can do and what we cannot do. We will go on a short break. But before we go on a break, when we come back, I would like to put you through the fact that some of your colleagues in the local elections monitoring and observations industry. If I may call it an industry. And some of the international observers, specifically now the European Union observers committee. Some of them didn't quite give a report that is as laudable or commendable as the one you seem to be giving now. But we go on a short break. When we come back, we take it all off with Razak Olokwaba. And lightly we get through again to Dr. Frank Shabu. One of the prominent spokespersons of a former vice president Atiku Abubaka. Thank you. Welcome back to plus politics this evening. We still I could not get through to Dr. Frank Shabu. The author of the piece we are supposedly reviewing tonight. Unfortunately, this was an interview he consented to two days ago. I was thinking he ought to have synchronized kind of work diary around the reality that he gave his word. But, you see, the last time we called him, he spoke, was ready to speak, was ready to engage with us. But unfortunately he was on the road in Abuja. And according to him, and I don't have any reason not to believe him, it was raining cats and dogs where he was. And unfortunately, since we've been trying again, the line has not been going. Unfortunately, the gentleman that we had also invited for a form of rebuttal or a kind of review of some of the contents of the piece. That is activist Razak Olokwaba is still very much with us. Razak, before we went on break, I was actually pointing out to you that your summation or your summary of how the last general elections went, especially the presidential elections seemed a bit more optimistic, a bit more positive than the impression that we've generally gotten from members of the elections monitoring and observation industry, quote on quote, in Nigeria, and some international observers. And I specifically mentioned or alluded to the opinion or the recommendations of the European Union observers team. How would you respond to that? Thank you very much. There are so many institutions that took part in the election. They look at the international, just like what you have mentioned. And the majority of report that I have read agrees with the measure that the election is not completely absent. There's no absence of a focus of a limitation here. What if you had timely arrival of election material, the conduct of high-necked staffs, the security partner, the turnout and method and pattern of announcing of results. Because some of these speakers look at average far more than they've given in the past, being done excellently. In 1999, there were apprehensions that Absalam apuakalmi no gu. They were also challenged in terms of boycotts by Alliance for Democracy, the MPH of the former ZF to Nigeria. They would contest against Absalam no gu. They would register a lot of concern regarding the election. Eventually, the election result was after this decade, both by local and international. And there were a lot of violence in the middle to the election of 2023. That was when major personalities in this country were assassinated. One of them was Uncle Balaghi and Ashamari. I looked up other things, due to the election of 2007. And if we look back clearly, the election that produced Yaladwa, we knew the impression of the late president himself. It was so bad that Yaladwa had to admit openly that the election that was in office was very flawed, with rigour and so many things. So, I can be good if you say, you know that some of these specific people, but they were not using media at that time. And if you are talking about 2009, I mean 1999, minus is from the majority of young boys of this media now. They were three years old, four years old then. So, nobody could have tell them proper history. Apart from the fact that they have taken back in the process. So, for all who took part in the process, then, I will take part in the process now. We are totally on the matter. One of the young people that made this large issue media. So, all I have said, put inside my side with the election that held in February, start with the turnout of election by voters. We had registered voters to the turn of 100 million Nigeria. That's the force in this sort of Nigeria. But the turnout supposedly was not that very impressive. And we had less than... That's what you do with what you tell your party members that they didn't come out. We should blame PDP, APC, Labour and all of them for that. It's not about INEK. And what would be your response to the fact that INEK may have mismanaged expectation in respect of IRF. That is the instant uploading of results from polling units. What would be your opinion about that? You know, election and technology is not another free process. Up to today, the election that brought in Trump is being debated and investigated by the IRF in America. In this I... So, I'm not justifying or defending what I think may have been commented as an error. That's number one. So, if I say that I'm going to convey you with a white card. A blue card destination. And I end up conveying with another card. Giving technical issue as an ability. Why will you blame me for not using a card as technical issue? So that the debate will still be debated whether election, head or election is your code. I next said cyber criminals attack their websites over 1,000 times. If I were INEK, I would do the same thing. And it's better for any political party that have a problem with that. To also reject of those error that have won. No one is complaining about it. Let them reject the result of all the things that have won. I never knew. Why was you out of those standards? Razak. Razak. Razak. The president is not in your view. Are you saying Areva Telski? You are being cynical now. I guess you are being cynical. But let's wrap it up. Generally, the three major political characters in the politics now. The incumbent president Bola Mehtinubu. The vice president, the former vice president Atiku Abubaka. Dr. Peter Ubi. They seem either directly or indirectly. Maybe president Inumbu is the one that is not quite aggressively doing it. But they seem to be stigmatizing themselves, robbing their public persona. They seem to be robbing their public persona. And somewhat, you as an activist now. Don't you think this may be robbing negatively on the general belief of the average compatriot in the political system? How would you want to respond to that? That's a very good question. And that question is the question that Donald should be asking all of us. But are we happy about all this? That's the question we should be asked. How would you be asking each other? But you know, you are an activist. For those of us who are on the other side of the divide, say, in journalism, especially when in journalism we know that salacious and sometimes very, very dodgy stories like this. They sell copies more. They give more mileage. Like I often say, the Sunday paper sells more than the Sunday times in England. Or the National Enquirer in New York or in America sells more than the New York Times. People like to read salacious stories. I guess especially in the age of social media, I guess you may be preaching at the deaf and the dumb with the kind of line that we are tracking with that exhortation to journalists not to chase. Some like us who want to do serious minded journalism may not want to chase it. But some who want more eyeshots, likes and all the notes may find this kind of stories interesting for Toronto. I agree with you that the value and the orientation of a new seller journalism in the world today has created a universal challenge for us. And our position as members of civil society simply does not mean such that any profession in your conduct, your focus should be on the nation building. Anything outside that you are doing is the service to your nation. That is what you are doing to reach other now. That is what you are doing to reach other now. That is what you are doing to reach other now. We really must go now Razak. Thank you very much. You have been quite an engaging guest. Thank you more because your availability seems to have been the cover for the unfortunate development with our first segment guest. Thank you very much. Thank you.