 Is the United States making worse music than everybody else in the world? I want y'all to watch this clip and tell me what you think definitive thing that makes you a star in my opinion Well, I think so is a song that I'm making songs that are gonna cross them over and make them Who they're supposed to be I feel like okay cool. We like their vibe We like their mixtape. We like the album like you know I'm saying like it's some it's some hints of greatness in there But when you talk about stars like when 50 cent put out In the club, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right like you just need those songs and the songs have to be produced and made If we isolate Central Sea, it's not America. No, he's probably a star ready in London Oh, he's super star. So what you're saying is happening It just doesn't seem to be happening domestically right now because we're making the worst music Whoa, yeah, just as it back. Oh, yeah, the United States is making the worst music Chikory, do you think the United States is making the worst music the worst the worst music? I don't know if I can say the worst man cuz I mean, I don't want to single any particular reason of the world out You know Anybody's quality music man attack man. I'm not super deep like the only countries are super pet attention Why super pet into that music industry is like, you know us, of course Latin Latin American countries, you know couple like South African countries like in the Afro world But that ties into my music touch. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm not looking at Let's say like Russia's music scene for example because what I've typically heard from there in the past is ain't my cup of tea Maybe they got something along my my line of my lane that would change my mind But from what usually makes it out of there where it represents them. It's like not really my thing All right, but the worst music run now We I can't say that because it's still too many other countries that emulate like our music style Okay, okay, but you can emulate and improve. You're right. That's true. All right, so I'll say this Latin America United States Korea Tokyo And then a few countries in Europe I listen to and I Feel like in other countries there seems to be almost a retro Approach to the music and I mean a retro United States like you say. Yeah, like we're still leading a lot of the culture in that way but You know how a lot of people say oh, it's not like it used to be and they act like what it used to be was better Yeah, especially like let's just look at kpop listen Center on kpop the investment into the music videos and what they have at the top and they're really showing is It's like 90s in terms of music video investment. Yeah dance routines all that stuff going on And I remember from the very moment. I like found out about it my home girl Polina she put me on to kpop in maybe 2012 11 and I was just like red. This is I can't understand a thing But I resonated with a lot of it because it just felt like What maybe early 2000s What was popular over here a lot of it like you can see them emulating or whatever so there's some argument in in terms of maybe that the approach to artistry and The approach to artistry without the viral virality that we need in America because America is very The shit that we talk about Right, it's very much so focus on these narratives Marketing going viral trying to stand out and get attention for the sake of attention in hopes to flip it back to your music Right, so I can argue that that environment probably doesn't foster the best music as an environment That's still more music driven first Whiffed of course the bells and whistle because it's still entertainment just like it used to be but it's not really caught up in this Let me go smash a teeny right to get some attention. Let me go Drive to the mall on a motorcycle to get some attention the shit Samson was the other day What's that group name things or armor in it? I forgot his name or whatever and I don't think anything wrong with that I thought like the way out they put it together. It's dope, but we're in the space of America where we have to do Shit like that a lot of times to get attention which sucks Yeah, I mean I think cuz I think our thing as a country is cheap entertainment You know I'm saying like how can we how can we strike the biggest flame with the least amount of matches pretty much? Right in terms of production quality. Yeah, right. You know saying we sit in the music Yeah, we've seen hit songs come out that were made in closets. Yeah, I'm saying the back of vans and shit like that But then even Like TV man, you see like networks like Netflix and Hulu and stuff always trying to figure it out Well, how can we get this hit TV show with the smallest budget possible? We had the combination about Tyler Perry, but it was Tyler Perry the whole forms How can I get the most amount of hit movie a for the least amount of money spent possible? So yeah, I do think I Couldn't say like why a part of me wants to say as far because we're such a capitalistic I'm saying capitalism based country part of it probably yeah, right. Yeah, that probably is it. That probably is exactly what it is So I do think We're starting to like notice that seep into the music, but I still don't think that makes us the worst That's I'm saying brother the worst I can't I can't boldly say the worst and I could boldly say I could say anything bold, but I can't confidently and fully authentically and truthfully say it's the worst and meaning because I don't listen to every single country every type of music, but What I can't say is the environment today Does not necessarily lean towards the most positive environment. Yeah foster good music. Well, I we did country that made like Reality TV, I don't know if we made it popular, but I feel like I don't feel like any other country that had a reality TV run Like the US is that I'm saying yeah, and you think about a lot of B. No, why? Why I mean he started to talk about it. Oh the capital the capital is a machine she Well, I have no real actors. Yeah people spend time and build a craft. They want more money So we have some regular people we can flip this attention You've already built in something that let this market as a op So you get paid a little bit but you can flip it into your branding and we can churn these out like clockwork Yeah, so I was like, but you have this whole generation R as I grew up on like that. Yeah that and Then you introduced the internet and memes and things like that like reality TV and me you go hand in hand But they're both cheap forms of mass in his hand guilty pleasure content The guilty pleasure is not supposed to be your main pleasure. That's the problem. I mean, but last year working. I was the same I think a lot of the things that I Think other people gonna plan about with music was started by rappers But what rappers it makes sense. I think you know I'm saying cuz I rap we're typically used to being like it's Not lower set me you know, we know you say rappers we're used to you still got some hitting tracks No, no, no, I'm saying like I think But I'm saying like like we is our music We'll blow all these cheapening up things sometimes I think it's tied back to what we typically see rappers do bro I rappers are still not being competed with when it comes to like that type of like social manipulation and farm Like memes and like cheap comedy stuff. Yeah, so but I think a lot of that being a lot of that makes sense for the genre because that genre typically Requires, you know, not not a lot of work like less work in some instances compared to a lot of other types of music Rappers typically been super pillions of people that come from a lower-income area So these are people we don't have any money right how they figure out how to you know Backfuckin nowhere with no money. You're trying to get lit like what you're gonna do what's gonna get you attention Oh, man, but I do some stupid shit. You know saying that's not even let's just take it away from stupid That's not let's not imagine the way let's just say like be stupid. Yeah, let's just say something that's meant That's I did on my phone that was meant to grab a lot of attention. Yes, man. Let's keep it up Yeah, good bad. Have you want to feel about it? Then that's what I'm gonna do. You know saying I'm gonna leave or answer that because I'm going to feel like Yo, when I put my investment into this thing, I put all these hours into this thing over here Which we can set the music quality. Yeah, doesn't necessarily give me the return. I want to see but I go put Half of that's common to figuring this thing out this attention thing Yeah, and everything I want starts to happen right people hit me up and we have fans on your list I saw you you can't you can't knock the way that people have been trying to think about how they should put their stuff I'm not knock it. I'm just observing it. 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Reforming and we taking over the whole country one kid at a time and now our stuff a lot of our stuff is inspired by anime, right whatever and then the entire I Don't say tired Japanese experience, but so many of the things that originated in Japan Right. Um, like fashion. All right. So even beyond anime because they hit us from no two directions, right? You know, even a Harajuku girls even though that became a whole polarizing thing at one point or whatever If even recently apparently when she finally said that she was Japanese and it became a thing Or for her. Yeah, she said she was just ah I don't want to get too far into it But it was just one of those things getting too comfortable You know, they come into the house eat all the food and then you know, all of a sudden they think you want a What if they know they feed up on your soul? Yeah It was just one of those things She really didn't mean that vibe like bad vibe, but she may have messed up, you know She thought she was so one with the culture she just said I'm Japanese That's really what she was all about. Yeah, that's what she was coming from But you know the internet and people sensitive these days to that kind of stuff. So Like but with that same concept of real life, I I think it's hard to fight the idea that music specifically music for the sake of music is Not what it used to be in terms of the nuances in Terms of quality and I think other spaces are behind and because they're behind they might There might be more attention to music, but I think there's gonna end up where we are I don't think they're like guarding it. Yeah, right. It's saying we want to stay here. They're just behind That's all it is. Yeah, they're paying attention to it and then some countries brother He's so many interesting things going on with that music industry You know, like some countries government is being involved. Yeah, our degrees and like some countries corporations being involved to higher degrees We're higher or lesser degrees. So it's so many different variables. Yes Oh and two things like that. But yeah, because they're all gonna eventually looking to the oh America has figured out this whole like cheap attention Shit and say like we won't in on that. Yeah. Hey K-pop artists, I need y'all start making some viral videos. I need y'all, you know, make some memes and things like that So I think the influence is gonna hit but now I do kind of maybe want to backtrack a little bit because as you were talking I was trying to run through my head like who's a who's kind of like dumb man right now and I'm Why are the artists are like foreign artists, bro? You know foreign to us in the States Central Sea, Tams up now bad buddy You know I'm saying who I feel like I'm missing this because oh We actually missed the cut that part of the conversation because they did say Superstars. Yeah, Superstar. Yeah, are we producing new? superstars like who's new because I think our current Superstar is still the old one by like the tell us with the Beyonce is the Justin Bieber I'm just me right. Yeah, not here. Oh, but even count. Oh, damn. We can't fully claim Justin Exactly. Hey, but I mean, but he you know, he was in that one. Yeah, he counts But yeah, I can't think of like who's the most recent new Superstar that the US has produced party me So then Lil Nas X Lil Nas is probably after Kirby. Well, I guess it's not like the Superstar I would say Lil Nas X Superstar. I Think so then I don't know because I maybe that I wonder how we judge it like are we talking about worldwide? I don't know where his reaches because I know his streams Yeah, right are like Superstar streams and a demographic that he has a hold on is like Superstar like But I don't know cuz I cuz I really say Cardi B But I'll say it with full confidence because I think Cardi B's She should be like Superstar level technically, right? But then we mentioned Beyonce, right? That's a different level Yeah, right so but then, you know essential sees too new to Like fully put him there, but I think well, I don't know how big he is and of course UK You know, he's big, but I don't truly have a full sense of his level bad, buddy I got a sense of his level like oh, he's pretty much on Beyonce's level. Don't kill me You know also who feels certain way. I'm just talking about Shirley in terms of numbers He's early on so she has a lot to do but he's gonna be on that trajectory where 10 20 years from now He still have a strong resounding impact. Yeah, right and he's on a Lot of people that are outside that primary demographic. So when I try to separate and even say Cardi B Those again, maybe no, I don't know. Yeah, I can't give it a card because we give it a that's what I'm saying Like we know their personalities can definitely transcend. I think they have the talent to and even though doge a cat like the more stereotypical Markability attached to it, but I Don't know man like He might be right. It's on side. I can't think of no other. I'm trying bro Like y'all these might in the comments. I'm trying who's the last superstar cuz I how do we defy a superstar one thing that I Think would go with the term superstars when you have So many people outside of the primary demographic that know the person. Yeah, all right You reach the top of your niche broken past that niche and now you're in pop But then beyond pop right now just successful pop, but you're beyond pop and you're transcending Like that popular culture where grandma all the way down to the kid knows on your country and other countries Like know this person. That's a a different space Well, I guess what could also Change the argument a little bit is this is what we're talking about Song not necessarily Personality right like brand and that's yes, so that doesn't make it harder. It does kind of go because it's like what's the last massive song to come from a Steve Lacey maybe like the best song See now, I mean, we just stick straight to music which look this is music so It is it doesn't hurt to just say If I don't even consider that by moving in both goalposts, all right, because we're talking about music at the core We're talking about artists 30 million so bad habit has 11 million streams. I was like what makes me sad is because justice specifically mentioned Central C is like a London You get a London artist, but then to your point is like, yeah, he's big, but he's not like Beyonce right like right that different level. So now this is my okay We're keeping it just usually like this, but he's gonna get there. I think he's gonna get that right Yeah, yeah, see you're gonna be saw if he doesn't have in many monthly listeners as Steve Lacey right now Don't understand enough. Yeah, he's about a million less, but Central C's a lot hotter obviously from a commercial standpoint. That's the weird thing cuz superstar Superstar is not a solely music thing. I know that he said we gotta have a music and of course But you superstar is a combination of the music with the personality or aura and all of that stuff Like there's been people who was the there's this guy named Nick Curios. He plays tennis, right? this dude if He well, he actually has the talent to be like number one in the world But he has like this other issues anger issues and things like that, but even earthler. Yeah, right It's oh, he's interesting. He's horrible. He's like he got like a hip-hop like basketball Swagger, but he plays tennis is it's interesting He'll take these long breaks like literally his thing is like, oh, yeah I played tennis like three months out the year while, you know, opposite is like Kobe been telling always practice And that's what most people are doing So he's not ranked where he should but the point is even if he just a consistent His brand if you watch him of next to the other players He could be a superstar. Just you just see he has that it factor, right? So you don't even have to be the best Right, which I think about music You don't have to be the best to be the biggest superstar people always get man Oh, this person either isn't even as good as that person. Well, that's when they go and get into that it factor lane Or this person doesn't sing as good There's other factors into creating superstar. You know, it's building a player and there's multiple rankings, right? What is your your vocal talent? What is your talent for hearing production your song selection your personality your I? Don't know right is this multiple levels Or multiple things to gauge. I don't know all of them Maybe we should build a superstar one day and figure out with all those gauges where that would be hard You know, I mean a some of y'all make our lives easier if y'all got time put in the comments and we can maybe argue about Which all things makes a superstar what are all those gauges to consider? but But it's not it's not fully a music conversation, but of course he does go back to music so to me is It's technically inconclusive, but I do go back to the argument that America right now Actually, I'll say it later. The United States right now Does not have an environment that fosters the best of music a lot of creativity in general But the best music that it can specifically now why I pause for a second was because I said America and I realized man, I Say America a lot, but that's like that entitled like better than American mentality United States mentality cuz who like ace Central American American Canada's in over there. I don't know if you're in the comments, but I want to just study United States. Just study United States Let me add to life Man, it's stressful over here man. I don't know a lot of artists over here doing it. Hey. No. No, it is It's different man. It's definitely different, but with that being said man