 Are those are those air conditioners going to be a problem hearing this evening crank the volume up, huh? Okay Yeah, couple couple things One Mike would like to get this budget policy formulation sheet back in as soon as you could please so whoever hasn't finished yours and Or working on them. Please get him back into Mike The other thing before we start the meeting is As we begin this meeting this evening I'd like to extend a sincere thanks to everyone who has expressed concern and well wishes over the past two weeks as I as I have been recovering from angioplasty Procedure, which I underwent July 23rd. I Was fortunate to have the access to information relating to the heart conditions and ailments prior to suffering any serious medical conditions and NAL Conditions the angioplasty procedure. I underwent has become common place in our society and according to the American Heart Association Over one million such procedures are performed annually. I Truly am grateful For the skills and professionalism of the medical staff at St. Nicholas Hospital Coolest heart Center and St. Joseph's Regional Medical Center. They did excellent job And again, thank you for all your cards and and concerns and prayers. I Feel great So we're back on track and now we'll start the meeting Notice of the ninth regular meeting of the Common Council. Would you call the roll, please? excuse and Warner 15 present forms present Alderman Warner Thank you, Your Honor. I move the minutes of the last Common Council meeting be approved at the same stand is entered on a record We have motion and second approved a minute to the previous Council meeting under discussion Hearing none all in favor All right post motion carried Pledge Allegiance, I believe Alderman Sugali this evening. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America And to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Okay, Sue public form Vicki Meyer Vicki would you come up to the microphone and give me your name and your home address, please Vicki Meyer 3107 North 26th Street 26 Before you start can you pull the microphone closer to us? There you go. Maybe that better And Vicki you have five minutes. Thank you mayor council My name is Vicki Meyer. I live in district 7 and I've come here tonight to express my views on the possible use of Sheridan Park as A site for the new police station I've been following this issue very closely and I feel there are many people like me who are opposed to using Sheridan Park There are many questions that need to be answered who told Kimmy and associates Sheridan Park was available as a site. When did we start building in our parks? Kimmy and associates picked Sheridan Park as their number one site, but they were never they never evaluated the 23rd Street site All the other surveys I've heard of have picked the 23rd Street site And why did the city negotiate with the county for so long on the 23rd Street site and then abruptly walk away? You said we needed four acres, but the Sheridan Park has only two I Feel building in any of our city parks is wrong You've been entrusted by us the people of Sheboygan to protect our parks not destroy them I was told by the Sheboygan Historical Society that they wanted to build South High School in Fountain Park Now just think what a mistake that would have been I've heard people say no one uses the park. Well, you can say that about a number of parks in our city And I feel if we put more play equipment and friars in these parks, they would get more use. I Found out that next to Madison Sheboygan has the most parks in any city of Wisconsin We want tourists to come to Sheboygan. So why aren't we making our parks an attraction for the tourists? I've read we will save money by building in Sheridan Park But what is the value that we put on our parks? I'm all for saving money, but to destroy our parks is just wrong Once Sheridan Park is gone It's gone and by calling the police station Sheridan station will not make the park come back If 23rd Street site is not an option go back and look at the other sites that were recommended or remodel City Hall and move the other offices out and let the police department have all of City Hall It's just a suggestion. Thank you very much for your time Troy Nemo's Troy, can I get your home address, please? My home address is 6 30 South 13th Street in Sheboygan And you'll have five minutes sir mayor and City Council, I'd like to thank you for the time to speak as a citizen of Sheboygan for 37 years and a homeowner directly across the street from the park I think that you people ought to know some of the things that I've seen in my neighborhood. I Have seen open-air drug sales directly in the park. I Have seen gang violence Beyond belief of probably anybody here. I've seen there was one situation where eight guys held two guys down and Sick pit bulls on them. I personally was a victim of gang violence Where every bone in the left side of my face was busted because I confronted some children breaking glass in front of my house These are individuals who are 15 to 19 years old. I Just took out a loan for forty four hundred dollars to pay off the rest of the medical bills To get my face straight and back out I've seen countless Things in my neighborhood, and I really believe having a police presence in the middle of the city What is one of the best things for this city? I Understand the green space issue. I used to guide in Canada in summers And I'm all for green space But believe you me when you see the gang violence and the violence one-on-one It's it's unbelievable that it's happening here in Sheboygan and Sometimes I've talked to some of the police officers in this room tonight about the situations in the neighborhood and Our police force is doing the best they can they're doing a great job. I commend I commend the police officers in my situation they responded very quickly and When I went to the emergency room, they said if I would have taken another hit or two to my head I would have been dead These are things I want you guys to remember when you're making this decision This is a very difficult thing for me to even think about the past and think about some of the violence that's happened to me I've also stopped there was an individual who is going to commit suicide in the park And I talked him down from committing suicide and drove him to K1 where he could get help There was somebody found hanged in the trees within a block of the park I came home one afternoon from work and the roads were barricaded a block away from the park because there was a hostage situation a man-holding people with guns This is a dangerous neighborhood and it's something we need to get a handle of I Used to think Sheboygan was One of the greatest towns I still do believe it has the potential to continue to be one of the greatest towns If we stop the problems that are happening in certain neighborhoods The site is already owned by the city of Sheboygan and right now under tight financial budgets and Tight financial times in our country. I think we ought to consider this spot because of the lower cost Initially up front potentially down the road it may cost more but as everybody anticipates our economy will turn around I Just want everybody to really think about Centrally locating a police office That way your response times are quicker throughout the entire city and when you think about Well, you lose 30 seconds here 30 seconds there I ask you how long would it have taken for one or two more punches to my head? Thank you Logan Beenan Mr.. Beenan, can you give me your home address, please? My address is 1817 South 15th Street Thank you. My name is Logan Beenan and I heard Yes, my name is Logan Beenan. I'm born raised in Sheboygan. I was born in 1933. I Attended the public schools for the most part. I recently retired from teaching 28 years at South High I thank the council and the mayor for giving me the time. I particularly thank my older persons Bill Wongelman and Bonnie Serta from my part of town. I Appreciate their time and energy. I honor their commitment I Speak to support the saving of Sheridan Park Some say that the park is underused and has been previously said perhaps that could be Helped by changes play apparatus Benches flower beds a fountain How about an occasional small group band concert for us South Siders To celebrate the park If the park is ill-used as the previous speaker mentioned And the neighborhood needs policing a police station isn't the answer Those who break the law Move to other locales The problems remain But to remove the park from its birthplace and It's lost for good. I don't know how the financial figures will shake down when all is done But after we have made our purchase and can look with pride on our new law enforcement building then the pain of cost and I mean the possible additional cost of preserving Sheridan Park this green gem Then the pain of cost rapidly eases and Is eventually forgotten How many remember the additional cost To the city of putting a swimming pool in what is now central high school or was central high It was the first swimming pool indoor in the state How many remember the pain of building two brand new high schools at the same time in the late fifties? How many remember more recently the pain of remodeling and adding to north and South high and farnsworth in the mid 90s Eventually the cost the pain of cost subsides Rapidly and is soon forgotten The council knows the heritage of the park one of Sheboygan's oldest It's a beautiful spot of green the only break in the concrete and brick The entire route of business Drive and 14th Street It's part of what we should pass on to our grandchildren This was here from the beginning Ed Suric mr. Suric, can you give me your home address, please Ed Suric 29 23? North 6 3 Sheboygan You have five minutes Pardon you have five minutes sir. Thank you very much I guess today. I'm representing the oh, thank you I would thank the mayor and the council if you listen to me on this but today I guess I'm representing the Sheboygan Yacht Club as a member and as a employee of City Hall and in some degree Helping or assisting the mayor and some comments on being or items that being passed around throughout the city recently Individuals are passed around a card that shows the Harbor side of the Sheboygan Yacht Club and a picture of its of its flag of the American flag being displayed and the card reads Yachts more important than stars and stripes Yachts more important than country. This is no Patriots here and within sight of City Hall Call Mayor to complain And apparently what this card is trying to say is that the flag is being displayed Ironously or not being very patriotic, but it's been an issue. I guess in the past, but I'd like to read up some information we received regarding the same thing and This individual said I contact the US Coast Guard and explain your situation a Coast Guard represented consulted both Chapman's pilot piloting a naval tactical publications number 13 economy known as NTP 13 And both in publications indicate that the national and sign and send the US flag is always flown from place of honor on the gaff Whether or not the ensign is flying higher than your club's Burjee, that's a little flag and tap is not the issue The real issue is here is that whether the ensign is flying from the place of honor Not the height at which is is flown Therefore you are in compliance with both civilian military guidelines on this subject And the letter is signed by F. James sense and Brenner member of Congress, so If it has been issue, I hope it isn't I know the yacht club has been trying to dress it and communicate that what we are Doing is is proper and within the laws and within the guidelines, so Any questions on that issue we glad to answer? Thank you. Okay Consent agenda Alderman Warner Thank you, honor I move that all our O's be accepted and placed on file all our C's be accepted and adopted and all resolutions Substitute resolutions and ordinances be passed All our O's be accepted filed our C's be accepted and adopted Ordinances of resolution and ordinance and substitute ordinances Just ordinances be put upon their passage under discussion. That's from nine one three nine twenty three All the money Thank you, your honor. I'd like to request nine twenty three to be having a separate vote, please 23 Discussion just separate vote We'll do that first. We'll be voting on nine twenty all of them in Van Akron on 923 came on solid agreement Okay, so would you take the roll, please on 923 Bowman Berg Bonnet Serta Scruff Manny Montemayor Perez Peterson Rinflaich Segali van Akron van der Wiel wongamon and Warner 14 eyes one no motion carried All of them in order Your honor actually there's just one little thing I forgot to do before the consent agenda go ahead if I could to the Common Council is Thank you card from Mayor Shram for his time when he was in hospital and I just like to read it to you So as dear members of the Common Council, I would like to extend my heartfelt Thanks for the fruit basket and well wishes you sent me during my recent illness your thought Thoughtfulness is most appreciated Mayor Jim Thank you Anything else on a consent agenda? Hearing none. Would you call the roll suit Berg? Bonnet Serta graph Manny Montemayor Perez Excuse me Peterson Rinflaich Segali van Akron van der Wiel wongamon Warner and Bowman 15 eyes motion carried 924 can be accepted placed on file all the moment Just a real quick on 924. That was actually by older person Warner not older person Bowman just a correction We have more should be for us in a second under discussion Alderman Rinflaich. Oh, thank you, your honor I Guess I'm looking for a reason why we're willing to accept I understand the history of this gentleman on the Commission He's been doing it for a very long time It's nothing that I'm questioning him personally or his experience but Rather why were we getting to yet again allow people to live outside the city of Sheboygan to Participate on communities that are supposed to be a lot of people who live inside. I do understand he does own businesses But we're very specific about being a resident. Otherwise, I could live in Florida and be on a board up here And I you know, I don't like to create The beginning of a pattern where people can live just on the outskirts of Sheboygan versus being in here I want people to live in the city of Sheboygan I think it's a great place to live and I hope everyone would agree with me and live in the city of Sheboygan Thank you, your honor Just to echo Part of what Alderman Rinflaich has said we've dealt with this situation before and the issue Drew from the common council quite a bit of debate and Concern in the community I am terribly opposed to changing our municipal code For the convenience and benefit of one person If we're going to change our code, which is our law that we abide by we should do that Only for the benefit of the entire community Every time that we change our code amend our code to benefit For one individual We hurt our whole community and we damage our credibility And our integrity and I would hope that this council would stop this nonsense about Accommodating individuals. I know mr. Vander Creek. He's a great gentleman I'm very supportive of everything he's done. I'm appreciative of everything he's done But if we're going to change the code To keep him on the water commission board I'd like to move from the city too and stay as alderman Would somebody help me out with that because I don't want to pay the exorbitant Taxes I've been paying without having to say so in it So I'd like to move out of the community too, but I'd also like to stay as alderman So if you guys will help me out with that, I'll help you out with this. Thank you Alderman Warner I thank you, honor just to make it clear to the council this document is simply the communication that came in It doesn't do anything. We're filing the communication that the gentleman sent if you look further on on your agenda Under ordinance is introduced. There's an ordinance there. It's number 953 that lies over to the next council meeting So this one here is just the communication that came in. We're not voting on it tonight Alderman for it Thank you, honor Alderman Warner, I realize that I wanted to have a say so before that I don't want to have a say so after is the done deal So I wanted to express my sentiments to the council today. Thank you And as I could explain again your honor the ordinance that changes at the done deal would come in two weeks No, no, this is simply a piece of paper. We're filing. Correct. Thank you Okay All I don't think you need a roll on this all in favor Opposed motion carried 925-928 to be referred 929 by city plan commission recommending filing resolution 590405 an RC number 750405 documents relating to the city's building It's new police station on Sheridan park and stating that the Police station should not be built on Sheridan park and did not make a recommendation as to where the police station should be built Alderman Warner, I thank your honor. I would move to accept and file the ro And that the resolution be put upon its passage Moved in second to accept and file our own resolution be put upon its passage under discussion Alderman Blané did you Okay, Alderman Thank you your honor Just to clarify first of all that the resolution is actually as stated to put Now we read the No, therefore be it resolved that the common council the city of shabuagan hereby determines that it is in the best interest of public safety Taxpayer value and the future of the city of shabuagan and the city's new police station be located on the Sheridan park site Just to clarify to the public what it is that we're Voting on here with i8 and a Second one. I want to talk a little bit about A lot of what i've heard of the phone regarding the deal with the county First of all some point of information and people drive by the north 23rd site The the lot in question is not the full lot between the county highway board and superior avenue Much of that is actually owned by volrath. We're only looking at a small parcel immediately next to the garage One that is fairly big but not big enough without having to still negotiate for the use of a driveway that's shared by the county Um, second of all the deal asks for 300 and some thousand dollars for land that was once used as a landfill I'm a bit shocked that the value that's placed and i know i understand that we're experts used To come up with an appraisal value of that, but what else can it be used for its landfill? um I think it's a way that the county can get rid of unwanted land and the city is I don't know willing up to pay for it. It sounds like a good deal to them, but that's not a good deal to me Um other comments I've heard recently is regarding growth that the growth in this community is going to be to the west specifically the shaboyan press mentioned that in their editorial Um, because the county has been unwilling to work with the city in the past with our annexation issues Any growth to the west will actually be done in kohler shaboyan falls and in the towns of shaboyan and wilson Not in the city of shaboyan. They have their own police policing units The city's growth will actually be in the heart of the city our redevelopment areas We've invested in that areas and we really need to protect our investments by being centrally located versus Being located out to the west that uh towards the kohler and shaboyan falls A lot of questions. I hear about a shared services again I'm hearing a lot of that from the county and also the shaboyan press in the editorial that We shouldn't lose our chance to share services My question is what services will the city of shaboyan police department share with their new neighbor? The county highway department Seltracks, what are we sharing there necessarily? I don't fully understand why the services that we share have to be located on north 23rd street No one has yet told me and I've asked many members of the police department What services that cannot be shared by locating our departments on the grounds are shared in park I'm not sure what we're missing out opportunities on by having it in shared in park versus in north 23rd street Um, the county's idea of shared services The one I hear the most is the most interesting is that they'll use that 300 000 to build a joint shooting range The county the county will share the use of that city that shooting range shared services But the city will pay 100 of it. That doesn't sound like a very good deal to me It sounds like they're getting to use it and we're paying 100 for it. How is that a good deal for our city taxpayers? A lot of questions to hear about is seventh and pen. Why are we so willing to give up an empty lot? Parking lot right now that seems to have not much use that is in the heart of all of our new redevelopment I think it's potentially we can put millions of dollars onto the new tax rules by keeping it and perhaps selling it to a private Investor to do some kind of development on there keeping it a parking lot. We're giving it to the county How does that help the city taxpayer again? I don't understand I think the county also needs to realize that the taxpayers in the city are County residents as well and we make up almost half of the county Yet We keep seem to be getting on the raw end of the deal with the county negotiations Why do one half the county have to pay the other half of the county? For use of land that that that is already half hours As as a resident of city shubwagon, I know a bad deal from when I see one Especially from the county because we've been seeing them for years. Enough is enough I need to explain to my constituents in tough budget times Why we're willing to expend additional one million dollars from the city taxpayers and give it to the county taxpayers? Why are we paying ourselves half? Better yet, how is the deal offered by the county truly a good deal for the taxpayers of shubwagon? Thank you Alderman Thank you your honor I agree. We need to please station. I think the shared site is a good center location But I've been looking at an alternate site that I think is equally as central and is affordable And I'd like the Council to hold this decision for a few weeks if it's a chance to explore this other site I've talked to some business people that will help us raise money to buy this other site. So I understand The interest and shared and park is a good center location But I really think that in the long run we need a park more than a police station That would be my my my concern And I think we can get some private sector support to buy this alternate site Which is is good a central location. Perhaps a better location in many respects Thank you Alderman Montague Thank you, mr. Mayor I can cite bad ideas for both places uh Sheridan park Is a park the oldest park when it's gone it is gone as many people have said The violence and the drugs that are going on there now Need to be taken care of now not when the place is built in 2005 or 2006 or 2007 It is across the street from an elementary school That's five year old to 11 year olds walking to school there 15 miles an hour speed limit Five days a week six hours a day nine months out of the year No expansion room However 23rd street I perhaps agree with alderman rindfleisch Not the best deal with the county I worry about our very prime location Parking lot being gone and the county owning that but they need it They need to park some cars On the other hand if I were a rich man fiddler on the roof If we don't give them some parking now We as county taxpayers will be paying for a parking structure. They were telling us Neither site is wonderful. Neither site is terrible I like alderman peterson's idea to explore a little further The county isn't going to sell this to somebody else. There aren't people waiting in the wings to purchase it Sheridan park won't disappear. We own it So let's see what alderman peterson who certainly knows what he's doing. Let's see what he has to say I know we have been trying to get a police station for a long time But you know, we can't build it until 20 or five or 20 or six or 20 or seven to begin with Thank you very much Okay, all over Thank you your honor First of all, I think that uh the site that You're talking is that pen avenue there which would take in ryan oil in it I would hate to see what's under the ground by ryan ryan oil and what that would cost the city to clean up that That whole parcel of land But last april when I stood up in the front there I said this year and maybe next year are going to be some tough years for us to make some tough decisions And any decision that we make We got to make sure it's for the best interests of the taxpayers of the city of shavuigan Sheridan park was chosen by the architects City pd 100 behind it. They're the ones going to be operating out of it. We have communications from all or not all but a lot of The neighborhood there Where some of the people are even teachers at sherdon school and they are 100 behind it. They're looking forward to it So if we're going to make sure that we look out after the city taxpayers money Tonight is the time to make a giant step forward and say This is the first one and we're going to be looking out for your interests from the rest of the year on Because we're going to have some big decisions to make yet. So keep in favor of sherdon park as our police site i'll do one more Thank you, mr. Mayor You all know my love of shavuigan history And as I said at the committee meeting if I thought for one moment That we were destroying a historic site. I would be standing on this desk screaming at the top of my lungs In and of itself Sheridan park would not meet the criteria as a historic site. First of all, it has no historic buildings Nothing historic happened there. It's old. That's true If everything old were historic then I'd be historic too But sherdon park in and of itself is a piece of land. There were no historic people connected with the park I had some experience working with the historical society on designating historical sites and a lot of cooper site was one of them For which we received a warranty eventually And these are the criteria they look at Is does it have unique buildings on it? Is there something unique that happened there such as the gettysburg battlefield? Of course is a historic site some years ago They wanted to build a housing development there and general eisenhower at the time stepped in and put a stop to it Because it was absolutely foolish to destroy this sacred site Were important people or historic people connected to the site Was there an indian burial mound there any of that none of that exists If the park weren't its original condition, I'd be fighting tooth and nail to save it We had a beautiful band shell in the middle. We had a lovely fountain We had winding sidewalks through it. We had flower beds. We had people strolling through it on warm summer nights. That's changed. It's gone The historic value of the park has been ruined not by us, but by succeeding maybe councils I don't know, but they're solved on and now it's in basically a square block of trees and grass So the historic value of the park is gone. That's that's no longer there and Of course, I'm in favor of building the police station and we need to move ahead with this project 43 years ago. I had the honor of becoming a new police officer in the city And 43 years ago. We were talking about building a park Or a police station and I'm sure that at that time somebody said, well, wait, let's take another study Let's look a little further. Maybe there's another site just probably 500 sites in shabuagan county Orange in the city of shabuagan The county has made it sound as though if we don't build on north 23rd street We're being uncooperative and I don't really understand that because we can cooperate with them No matter where we are because the type of things that they want us to cooperate with our pistol range and a joint Property and evidence room these kind of things that can be done no matter where we are We're not being uncooperative The question came up. Why did we negotiate so long? And then all of a sudden just walk away. That's because we did not know Whether or not it was legal our city attorney had appealed to the league of municipality to determine if there was a legal question here and what Would it be illegal for us to build in the park? And in fact in the municipality magazine today To have the story of Sheridan park and the decision that they came to that. No, this was not illegal That there had been no designated use for the park We have some parks in shabuagan that were donated by certain families and it was part of their Donation that the park being used for nothing else And if it were then it would revert back to family That's not the case with Sheridan park and it's not really the oldest. It's one of two oldest parks In fact those parks stood undeveloped for many many many years and they were just referred to as a village square and they were Not exactly a village square either. They were just a bunch of trees and brush And finally after the civil war then it was developed and named after general Sheridan, of course But uh, I think in it's my opinion that sharden park is not historical I wouldn't destroy a historical site In fact, I take it as an insult that anybody infers that I would go ahead And be for any project that would destroy historic site In the city because I don't think there's anybody in this room Or maybe in the city has done more to try to save our city's history than I have So I would not go out and try to destroy a historic site. Thank you. Thank you. Well All of my turn Thank you honor I also need to thank everybody who is my constituents and those outside of my district who has called me and shared their Ideas and gave me some insight and especially to those I like to extend a thank you to where we had to agree to disagree I appreciated that that they were very pleasant and cordial even when we agreed to disagree I didn't realize do it taking a look at Sheridan park would become an issue versus relationship with the county I think if we stay true at hand, we had to look at all of the sites and determine which one was best If it was just an issue I'm all for working with the county and sharing services on it at each individual looking at everything on an individual basis if it was just an issue of Of the county and services, then maybe all the sites should have been county sites So with all the information given at hand, I still believe that Sheridan is the best site in addition to Kimmy and associates we paid a professional entity to take a look at this that came in As far as the speed issue I had walked around the neighborhood and that was addressed and they said bonnie if you think about it If the if the site is built here And they let's say they were here and they had to take off If they're out on dispatch and they're coming up 14 straight, they're picking up momentum They would probably be going a lot faster If the if the police station wasn't here So they would be going actually slower if they had to leave the site versus picking up momentum coming down 14th or they're or the other way As far as expansion another great idea that I got from a constituent is saying bonnie remind them of the library Um because of the library and the way that they have built it We were able to go up instead of out and he said make sure that if they do build it there that their footings Could support if they need to go up So that's an idea that it's not mine. It was from a constituent And I've also shared this before that I was a child who lived in the area And not once did I feel slighted that I didn't play out shared in part I shared with you some of the safety concerns we had there some of the parents had there There was a lot more trees at that time. There's an obstruction of view versus shared in school you can see the children it's a fenced in it's safe and I wouldn't even consider this if they didn't have the equipment right next door They have everything there. They have actually the equipment is much better They have a basketball court there and as the years I've talked to mr. Wognum and I've talked to residents. I've talked to my sister and she's like, you know People have shared me there used to be the ban shield. There used to be a waiting pool there There used to be a bathroom There's all these things were taken out through the years and I my question is why and I'm just using a common Sense approach to this it could have been because of lack of use I feel that and again, we're talking about a police station here. This isn't a car wash I wouldn't even consider it. It I think it would be a tremendous asset to the neighborhood to our community to be centrally located I still feel that the cost savings is still the icing on the cake given all the benefits which it could do to the neighborhood and And as far as looking at other sites I've given this some thought thought too and and I've been told that we've had over 40 years And I think it's time that we press forward So I I'm going to support the shared in park site. Thank you Thank you, bonnie all of my banner will Thank you, your honor I've had many citizens call me and Actually through the last two years. I've had citizens coming by shared in park asking me Are you going to put it as shared in when you're going to put that shared in? Why don't you just pick shared in and I had one gentleman call me that He's basically said three sentences that hit the nail on the head So a whole lot cheaper it makes more sense And just get the let out and get the job done. So thank you Thank you Thank you your honor Before I make any comments, I guess I'd like to ask some clarification I'm a little confused and I've I've been a little confused before during city council meetings And I probably will continue to be If by voting yes to this resolution, are we approving shared in park? Is that what the The vote is by voting yes. Yep So everybody understands that by voting no then shared in park is off off the table I would like to make some comments your honor Mayor my fellow alderman chief kirk the city of shabuigan residents watching this meeting tonight I have always been a supporter of the police department. I have many friends in the police department I acknowledge and realize the importance of building a police station I know all the little details and all the little facts However, I will not vote to eliminate shared in park forever It is easy to be distracted and persuaded to do so when you hear people say We will save a million dollars The experts recommended it. It will eliminate crime and drug dealing in the neighborhood No one uses a park anyway People can use the playground at the school or if you want to spark To those of you who say we will save close to a million dollars. I say this You're looking in the wrong place to save a million dollars What happened to the popular notion of shared services? Where we are supposed to save thousands of dollars every year not just once Eliminating shared in park instead of working together with with the county will severely Diminish the opportunity and availability of shared services We have tonight a document from the transit commission informing us That the cost of replacing the parking lot the county is interested in in the land swap deal with the 23rd street Location will cost about 750 thousand dollars How much I ask you is it going to cost us to replace a park? Two or three times is big for our citizens It appears that in saving a million dollars It appears that in saving a million dollars. It's probably going to end up costing us two to three million That doesn't make any sense to me And if we eliminate shared in park today Which other park are we quickly going to eliminate tomorrow and justify it? To those of you who say the experts recommended I say this The experts job and I have dealt with many is to give you an answer based on the data and the facts that they have at Specific given time. I am sure the experts did what they were well paid to do However, don't forget we have in-house experts on our payroll to According to section 74 5 of the municipal code the management maintenance and care of our public facilities is under the supervision of engineering and public works Mr. Tom Holton is the director He is against eliminating share in park According to section 8667 of the municipal code the city planning department is also responsible for public facilities Ms. Paulette Anders is the director She is against eliminating share in park The care and maintenance of our parks and forestry under the supervision is under the supervision of the superintendent of parks and forestry Mr. Paul Myers is the superintendent He is against destroying share in park Your honor the mayor is the chair of the city plan commission You are against eliminating share in park the city planning commission voted against eliminating share in park And I listened to your comments on the radio, which were all spoken And I asked this of the council what credibility and value Are we going to place on our experts our employees? To those of you who say it will it will eliminate crime and drug dealing in the neighborhood I say this crime and drug dealing will just find another place to occur If it moves away at all from the neighborhood to suggest that having a police station in the neighborhood will eliminate drugs and crime Is a fallacy. It's a false notion I personally have had vandalism occurred in my house and several things have been stolen Right from the front porch And I live across the police station And the fire station And if there is such a high crime and drug rating in the neighborhood and everyone seems to know about it As Alderman Montemayor just said Why hasn't anything been done about it? Why do we have to destroy share in park in order to do something about it? To those of you who say no one uses a park. Anyway, I say this Yes, they do More and more and now that we invest 20 invested 20,000 cdbg dollars should more people use the park? Surely should But the park has never been user friendly. I've heard comments today ever comments before We have not made it user friendly. There are no grills. No picnic tables adequate lighting adequate parking equipment a park equipment And just recently the section We sectioned an error for playing basketball and made other necessary improvements And yes, people started using the park if you provide the adequate facilities people will use it And by the way If we destroy shadow park Tear off almost 20,000 dollars. We put in there no more than two years ago Are we going to have to pay it back to the cdbg? We may To those of you who say people can use the school district's playground or kawanas park. I say this Do people use the school district playground? Yes, they do But I guarantee you that if that park that if the park equipment and lighting were removed today Not very many people would anymore So what happened to shared in park? The point is this if we probably equip our if we properly equip our parks People will enjoy them and they will use them If people are not using shared in park today Our fault not theirs And how many parents would be prepared to send their kids half a mile to kawanas park So your kids could plan the park Not very many. I assure you it's a long walk There's danger in crossing too many intersections and the river and no sidewalks and no lighting Next I would say I am deeply concerned that our city historian so quickly proposes To destroy a park that is a historical monument to the city of sheboygan and his residence Maybe by not not by definition But by heart Chartered park is the first or the second or one of the two oldest plotted parks in the city of sheboygan It does have great historical value and integrity To our past present and more importantly our future And that our children and grandchildren And I am deeply concerned that an alderman who does not represent district two Would go around knocking on people's doors And telling them to support the police station at shared in park because it will increase their property value To me that is extremely inappropriate Unfair and unsubstantiated I live across from the police station Nobody told me my property value and tax increase because of the police station They did so because I put a lot of work and money in my home. That's why There's nothing to do with the police station Finally, I would like to end by asking the following questions While everyone is so busy with which site is the best As anyone thought about how we are going to pay for the police station Maintenance costs and all other related costs Is the city going to borrow the money? 15 or more million I believe And it's so how is the city going to pay for it? And what impact of the project? What is the impact of the project on the taxpayers? Why is the city in such a hurry to approve chariot in park? Because alderman wanted my own set. It's not going anywhere. It's ours. We own it While a billion-use committee may have negotiated with the county for a year The city council as a collective body has not had sufficient time to study and debate the matter A gentleman said this This has all the earmarks of a ram it through again proposal I will close by saying this and this is very important to me because I believe in the municipal code 74 3e of our municipal code states that renaming Simply renaming Our park our parks is a serious matter and should be avoided Why then is it so easy to eliminate it? Without even a provision in our code to do so Thank you Alderman order I thank you, your honor as you know, I'm also a member of the plan commission and on a plan commission. I voted Uh in a positive four-shared impart And also being chairman of the building use committee I've made my position on that well known Quality of life is one issue that has come up and I believe quality of life in any community is closely related To the safety of its citizens and its visitors Our city's police facility has been rated the worst in the state of wisconsin And I think we need to change that designation By using shared and park as a location for a new police station. We will have a minimum impact on park acreage in this city with 32 parks Totaling 663.66 acres We have more than adequate park space and using 2.6 acres For shared and park will leave 661.06 acres of parkland in the city of sheboygan I believe that still makes a second to madison By adding the 0.9 tenths of an acre on 14th and pen to the park system A little oasis there for people to wait for the bus and dressing that up. It'll look a lot nicer And by adding the 1.77 acres owned by the redevelopment authority on 13th street just down the block That allows us to have 662.92 acres of parkland yet a mere 0.74 acres three quarters of an acre less than now I support using shared and park for this project and I believe it fits well with our comprehensive plan as well That plan clearly states the need for a new police station is critical to the city's future in all aspects And it also states that that should be centrally located We did look at other sites centrally located I also believe we can maintain historical significance of shared and park at the site Along with building a new police building As many of the trees as possible will be preserved And an appropriate area for a monument can be included And the name shared and station I believe can help to maintain the former public square significance As we enter into another budget cycle, we must all be concerned About every decision we make regarding the financial concerns of this city The fact remains chosen Sharon and park over the county's offer for their 3.8 acre site Is the best interest is in the best interest of the taxpayers of the city of sheboygan It doesn't matter if we give the county 300 250 dollars in cash directly Or if we set it aside to use to pay for their contribution It's still our taxpayers city taxpayers money The 250 000 dollars in initial building cost is only an estimate that could even go higher By using the 23rd street site the parking lot at semson pen At one time we thought it was worth 120 000 dollars After we had it appraised we found out it was worth 326 000 dollars That's how the county got their sick over 600 000 dollar property down to 300 000 Because they agreed to take that off the top Well that lot is on a piece of real estate that will do nothing but appreciate And if the city ever had to replace it as all them impressed stated The transit commission estimates replacement of that lot would cost at least 750 000 dollars That's three quarters of a million dollars folks to replace that parking lot There are businesses down there that are going to need additional parking. They are expanding At the last transit commission meeting the commission did not advocate giving the seventh and panel out to the county That's in your documents. It's a document after this 929 We can still allow the county to use that lot for free for a nominal for free or for a nominal fee on a year to year basis And still retain ownership should any outside interest or internal need arise The offer still stands to use the armory lot as well And using the shared and park site will not only save city taxpayers money today But in the future as well because that money to build a new police station is another issue And we have to borrow that And by saving the money up front That lowers our borrowing costs and it's likely those borrowing costs are going to be somewhere between 7 and 8 million Not some of the other figures you've had out there. Remember, we already have 2 million dollars set aside In today's world public safety and quality of life are intertwined You cannot separate the two and have one without the other Our city is the sum of all of its parts its parks its streets and its public facilities A new police station is critical is a critical infrastructure need And will enhance the quality of life for everyone that lives in our city And our visitors as well I believe the change from shared and park shared and station is in the best interest of the city of shuboigan And an excellent and fiscally responsible choice for our city's future In answer to some of the other questions the council the building use committee has been meeting on this for over three years I've been on the council for five years and I've been on the building use committee for all that five years We didn't meet much in the first year and a half Those meetings are open to every member of this council our minutes are there. You're welcome to attend Over that period of three years some of you are new. I understand it's difficult to get up to speed I think the committee members will be glad to explain to you where they're at and what's happened Some other things were talked about shared services shared services don't stop At your at your property line They expand beyond that I have a shared services book here because I'm a member of the shared services committee And this book is loaded full of shared services You name it we share just about everything there is from crime software emergency operations and everything This is the shared services in shuboigan county between a city of shuboigan and a county of shuboigan and includes towns, villages and municipalities We share services a lot of them and we will continue to do so I've mentioned in the past the rfp for this project will probably include it does actually include We haven't had it in committee yet, but I read it in there includes a joint communication center That is in there. Will that happen or not? We'll find out when we get to that point The common council is the one that makes the decisions That's our job. We are the elected representatives of the people of this city The staff does a great job and they have differences of opinion all the time I have a lot of respect for our park staff public works and the plan group and they all know that and It's the common council has to make these types of decisions And I think we should move this forward The question I talked to earlier tonight Ullaman res brought up a point about borrowing. We're going to offer borrowing, but we'll still stay under a three 3% depth capacity Still be under a 3% and that will be pennies to the budget. I if I Yes, correct. Yes, we figured it out Very minimal no matter where we build that we will be under our debt capacity It'll be pennies to the budget and I would add your honor the state says state statutes say you can go to five percent Of your equalized value. I believe it's called and the city has maintained and stayed under 3% And this borrowing is figured in a rich has laid out the numbers. We would still stay under 3% So well, I shouldn't I shouldn't say pennies because that was a couple years ago when we checked it It may have went up since then I forget the number but rich would have the numbers Rich you remember what that was Dead service and how much that per do you remember what it was? Okay, but we would be under a 3% debt capacity So we are doing well Ullaman graph Thank you your honor. Um, I can agree with just about everything that was said said tonight. Um But this is an unusual situation Um You can say well, we'll save a million dollars if we do share it in but you've got to remember A lot of the figures being tossed around our our estimates Some are what if this would happen and what if that would happen a lot of it is just paper That's out there and you don't know if we For instance you shared in park and then want to build a new one how much that would cause you don't know for sure if The the estimate on the the slab for the 23rd street site if that that is really 250 000 somebody said it could be more It could also be less But The only thing that has not been done as far as I I'm concerned and I've asked several times Why it hasn't is Chimean associates and um stubenrock have never looked at the 23rd street site Um They've looked at a site close to there and gave an estimate on that But that's not looking at the 23rd street site. They looked at and evaluated and gave their recommendation on every other site Um came up with the top five Um, but we don't have a statement from them Except one that was in a letter that said it would make a great site At least that's the only thing I've seen in a in all the documents that we had passed to us and so forth Um, I know alderman peterson has just come up with some some additional information And I don't think there's a member of this council that is not in favor of building a new police station But to wait a week or two um Isn't going to um Put that on hold or anything. I will not hurt that That's the one comment that you had made this morning on your announcement that I didn't agree with you said tonight Was the night we had to make the decision But there are some additional information coming out even additional information coming out of the county um You had a meeting a couple weeks ago where uh, you discussed certain things that could be delayed or this could happen or Or that could happen and um Those things have to be looked at too. I we just can't turn our backs on it and say well, you can't do this I think we can take a straw vote tonight to say yes, we're going to do a police station But we want to find out some information I would like something from q-man associates and I I know it's going to cost more money, but Um, sometimes you have to spend money to make money and being finance finance chair I don't want to spend any more money than what we have to but I want to make sure we're doing the right decision and If I just based it on the number of calls I I have it's going to be I would would support the 23rd street site even as as late as tonight when I before I left the house I got one saying I hope you're going to support the 23rd street the 23rd street site and um It's very close. I had about 50 calls totally and I would guess it was about 30 for the 23rd street site and 20 that said go ahead with Sharon Sharon excuse me and um because of that, uh I would support What bob peterson said before all men peterson said before Because I think we if we're getting a gift even though it might appear to be a bribe or something to some people If we're getting a gift for something Let's look at it. That's how we did our 54 million dollar Gorgeous, uh blue harbour center. We had friends Friends of shaboy can help with that and a lot of other contributions were made to that that allowed us to do Something like that and step forward So, um, just to let everybody know. Thank you Alderman Sugali My speech isn't going to be as eloquent as uh alderman for as is our grapher orders I guess my speech is just going to be is that We need a new police station. We've waited way too long We talked about it and I haven't even thought about running for election So I got elected to this and I don't think I ever would have thought That in august of 2004 I would be voting on a police station But they need it. I toured that station If anybody in this city needs a place They do and they deserve it I know some of these officers and some of us go back a little ways is when I worked at the y and We keep putting this off Alderman peterson has a very good idea if you want to wait and see what we wait We've been waiting and seeing for how many years And each time something else comes up that we're going to wait and see We can't do that any longer. We have to give them a decision and my decision would be sharden park. Thank you Alderman I appreciate the comments that have been verbalized tonight Many of these comments have been voiced in the last many months and committees and Building use and plan commission etc It's good though for the public to have much of this variety that perhaps they haven't had before so I think it's very helpful As well as helpful for us I don't love either side Push comes to shove. I'll vote for sharden park. We had to vote tonight I appreciate what alderman peterson has been doing and looking at an alternative site It's also centrally located That would beautify a portion of the city that needs it That might still be a possibility although at this point in time it looks like there might be a roadblock But I moved to table this And for six weeks so we have adequate time to look at that alternative possibility And to have a committee of a whole meeting prior to This meeting in six weeks so we can have full and adequate information both about Alderman peterson's possibility and perhaps uh with some further information From the professionals in evaluating and further sites Thank you Yeah, I need a second. Okay. You have a second on it I think all now you're talking about that. All right. We have a motion on the floor. We're speaking on a motion Motion All impressed. Thank you, utter. I Judging from the comments tonight. I don't know how close it's going to be to table the situation, but perhaps uh Alderman mani would like to invoke section 281 that requires only three votes To defer for two weeks Well, we have a motion before us first. Okay. I realize that I just said he might want to amend to reconsider Alderman burr Thank you your honor Once again Going back to that penabno site With the ryan oil plus the fact we have a gentleman that is Supposedly remodeling the old johnsonville sausage company down there to fix it up for a restaurant which he was Taken out of when they put south business drive in He lost his restaurant. Now. Are we gonna take his second restaurant away from him? I should think not Alderman van der wel Thank you your honor. Um, yeah, I appreciate what bad peterson is doing or sorry alderman peterson, but uh We've been doing this for years He could have done this a year ago talking about railroad and things through this is what we're doing We're gonna railroad this through get it done in six weeks as fast as we can and then vote on it That's real running through we've been working this for three years Alderman warner Not thank your honor. I would urge the council to vote against tabling this matter It's been tabled for 40 years if you talked to alderman warnerman They talked about the need for a new police facility in the 1960s. We have multiple studies out there I actually look for them at home some of them are i've had for probably three years I didn't bring them along with me But we needed a police station shared in park is the best pick tabling. This is nothing but delaying It's just a delay thing and uh, I think it's a bad idea at this time Uh, I think it would probably kill the project Well, let's vote on that Another discussion. Would you call the roll on the holding for six weeks? You said That's the motion This would be a vote to hold for six weeks. So yes vote would be to hold right serda Pardon me graph Manny monta mayor Perez Peterson Rindflash Segali Venakren no Vanderweel no Wangaman no Warner Bowman no Berg no Are you sure? And And bonnet Okay, we go back to the original motion 10 eyes five no's right 10 eyes five no's Original motion all of them in order other way around. I'm sorry 10 no's five eyes 10 no's right. Thank you honor All right, we do have a letter from kimmy And the kimmy recommended we needed the entire foreacre site They sent an aerial to kimmy associates and that was sent to the county and the counter replied that the terms were not Negotiable every member of this council got it We tried to get back to them on that and they decided not to and in interim We found out we could use shared in park legally and it is in your municipality But this got two years ago in this when the original site analysis was done The chamber of commerce came to us and said we want to stop This right here and do a study on building a joint facility at the county's law enforcement center They spent seven thousand five hundred dollars of their money to find out what our Feeling was is that it wasn't feasible because of how many people are going to put their regional park in there's nothing else And and the chamber at that time Said we will support you In any site you pick after this all in the morning D. Olson told me that we will support you in any site you pick after this if we do this study That was D. Olson telling me that so that delayed this project long enough That we had a look at the county site And we did that because they we wanted the road to the south of their building to help enhance the size of the imperial motel site And then he said well look at the other side So we started to will that took a year to get through So, you know, we've been talking about this for a long long time. I think you know, we have all been listening to the radio Reading the paper and talking to people throughout the community regarding the location of a new police station We've been given information had a committee of the whole presentation That was televised I might add And we discussed this issue on the floor of the council tonight as well as at other times I believe it is now time to act our former president of these united states Ronald Reagan perhaps said it best in 1990 A leader once convinced that a particular course of action is the right one Must have the determination to stick with it and be undaunted when the going gets rough Today is the time for us this common council to lead We must do what no council before us has had the courage or conviction to do Locate and build a new police station The choice we make today will address the first step location The second and final step will be another challenge we will have to meet And I'm sure that with hard work and analysis we will meet that challenge as well We have done the studies we have debated the issues everyone has had an opportunity to weigh in with their opinion Now is the time to take the next step a step that all of those Before us have failed that selection of a new home for the city of shiboyan police department your honor. I call the question Okay, take the roll, please Oh, excuse me question all of them much That means yes for shared in park No means no for shared in park, but it doesn't automatically mean yes for 23rd We're just voting on shared in park right now. Thank you Okay Would you call her old please Graf no Manny Yes Montemayor No Perez No Peterson Rin Flesch Hi Sagali Hi Van Akron Hi Vanderwheel Hi Wongamon Hi Warner Hi Bauman Berg Okay Bonnet Serta and graph No, no, you don't get too close. Sorry. You're already in there. Sorry No, not good Eleven eyes four nose motion carry sorry jim Okay, we move forward 930 can be filed that's by shaboy and transit recommending filing documents referring to The city-owned parking lot Shaboy transit Graf and Berg or Bauman just did it all of them Bauman Yeah, and I'd move that the uh communication for shaboy and transit committee be filed We moved in second that communication from shaboy and transit commission recommend filing the document under discussion Hearing none all in favor Aye Opposed Motion carried 931 through 941 to be referred Alderman Alderman Warner on our three goals Thank you, and I was reading over document 936 from Glenfilling And it brings up several issues and I was just wondering if perhaps This might get referred to the shared services committee and possibly strategic fiscal plan Also Along with building use just as something for discussion Shared services, it's my 936 document number 936 from Glenfilling 936 and who do you want that to go to? Shared services and uh strategic fiscal plan Okay, alderman breath. Withdraw your honor. Thank you Okay, 942 by alderman groff amending resolution 1301 by alderman groff Authorizing entering into contract for administrating the city's cash management program So as to change the list of authorized signatures alderman groff Yeah, and I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage Moving to second resolution be put upon its passage under discussion all of the right flesh I move to amend the document removing gerald arvandacreek from the water utility signature list The motion is second before us Who's seconded? I'm sorry Under discussion your honor this ties into What we previously discussed earlier that the gentleman no longer actually lives within the city of shabuigan The resolution allowing him to be on the committee or not has not been voted on yet I'd be more comfortable if he is allowed to have an exception in two weeks meeting to be added back to the list But for at least a moment in time to be removed Alderman order And your honor the gentleman does still live in the city hasn't moved out of the city yet So he's perfectly legal to put him in here I think we should leave him on and address that issue when that resolution comes back If he does move out of the city, he will at least put in a letter saying he's moved out of the city With drawing calls us over He was drawing Okay, we have a motion before us in a second. Uh all in favor opposed 943 by alderman warner authorizing the department of planning and development to partner with the county of shabuigan as applicant for the state of wisconsin department of administration Fy 2005 conference of planning grand fund alderman warner. I thank your honor I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage We have motion to second before us under discussion under discussion your honor Perhaps the planning department would like to explain this, but I would simply call this another incident of shared services and It's obvious that if you're working with the county and applying for a grant You're working with the colony. Thanks Correct There is no one here. I don't believe from the plan department tonight. Oh, Steve. Steve. Do you want to explain it? It's just an opportunity mayor council Just an opportunity to work again with the county county is doing some comprehensive planning with joining Municipalities, it's an opportunity for us to take a look at trying to implement some of the Goals of the 2001 plan that were Provided the last time we looked at it. So this was received block block grant approval and it was Recommended by the citizens advisory committee. Thank you Would you call the roll please mani Montemay or Perez Peterson renflesh Sakhali Van Akron Vanderweel Wongamon Warner Bowman Berg Bonnet Serta and gruff 15 eyes. Motion carried 944 by Alderman gruff authorizing retaining outside leal council to represent the city In a matter of auto owners insurance company versus the city of sheboygan and an authorizing payment of said services Alderman gruff And I believe I need suspension Sorry, will we Is there any objections to suspension? Any objections Proceed and I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage We'll just second the resolution be put upon its passage under discussion hearing none. Would you call the roll? Montemay or Perez Peterson renflesh Sakhali Van Akron Vanderweel Wongamon Warner Bowman Berg Bonnet Serta gruff and mani 15 eyes. Motion carried 945 by Alderman van Akron Wongamon Perez Peterson and montemire granting a leave of absence to lend along until may 1st 205 2005 from her position as election clerk during her tenure as deputy city clerk Alderman van Akron Your honor, I move the resolution be put upon its passage Move to the second resolution be put upon its passage under discussion Hearing none. Would you call the roll? Perez Peterson renflesh Sakhali Van Akron Van Derweel Wongamon Warner Bowman Berg Bonnet Serta Gruff Mani Montemayor 14 eyes. One no Motion carried 946 by Alderman Balman Berg Bonnet Serta Gruff Mani Montemayor Perez Peterson Renflesh Sakhali Stephan Van Akron and Van Derweel Wongamon and Warner affirming the protection of citizens civil rights and civil liberties Alderman Balman I thank you your honor I move that this resolution be put upon its passage Move to the second the resolution be put upon its passage under discussion Hearing none. Would you call the roll? Peterson Renflesh Sakhali Van Akron Van Derweel Wongamon Warner Bowman Berg Bonnet Serta Gruff Mani Montemayor and Perez 15 eyes. Motion carried 947 and 48 will lie over 949 by Law and Licensing recommending denying beverage operator license 5780 based on her failure to cooperate with the committee and her failure to report all convictions on her application Alderman Bonnet Thank you Your Honor Chairman I make motion to accept and adopt the report of committee Move to the second to accept and adopt the report of committee under discussion Yes, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to ask if she she's present Is the uh I'm sorry Is Brandi Whitaker present? Is Brandi Whitaker present? Mr. Chairman Brandi Whitaker is not present Okay There's another discussion You call the roll please Renflesh Sakhali Van Akron Banderwheel Wonkeman Warner Bowman Berg Bonnet Serta Gruff Mani Montemayor I'm trying Perez Ann Peterson 15 eyes Motion carried 950 Alderman Gruff Your Honor that document as well as 951 and 952 which are a total of three documents from strategic fiscal planning regarding the 2005 budget I would move that they lie over for until our next meeting There any discussion? All in favor lying over Aye Opposed Motion carried 953 will lie over 954 to be referred 836 resolution by Alderman Gruff Stefan Berg Mani and Montemayor Authorizing a transfer of appropriations into 2004 budget Alderman Gruff And I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage Move to the second resolution be put upon its passage under discussion Hearing none would you call the roll soon Sakhali Aye Van Akron Aye Banderwheel Aye Wonkeman Aye Warner Aye Bowman Aye Berg Aye Bonnet Aye Serta Aye Gruff Aye Mani Aye Montemayor Aye Perez Aye Peterson Aye And Rindfleisch 15 ayes Motion carried 847 general ordinance by Alderman Warner Serta Rindfleisch and Wonkeman Mending the code so as to reduce the licensing fee for coin operated washers and dryers Alderman Warner I want to thank you Your Honor I would move the general ordinance be put upon its passage Move to second ordinance be put upon its passage under discussion Under discussion Your Honor if the council remembers approximately a year ago this ordinance was supposed to go into effect It's where we negotiated didn't negotiate but we we sat down with some real concerns that the laundromat operators had in the city Because they had inadvertently or actually not inadvertently, but they had been put in with The other coin operated timers issue Which is just below them on here And would have been charged ten dollars per dryer To have their timers fixed And if you have 30 dryers and 30 washers that could easily come to 600 dollars And the idea was is that was too exorbitant for what the actual cost of the city was to check the timers And we had several meetings with them and reduced that to two dollars and it just took that long to get this ordinance Drawn up and brought back to council for a change So that two dollars covers our cost The two dollars the two dollars is what the cost is going to be prior to that it was 10 per washer and dryer And that was exorbitant Obviously the cost would have been passed on to the user otherwise and yeah In laundromats you're talking people putting quarters and dimes and nickels in these machines and typically people that use them Can't afford to be paying right such a high increase And it's actually a built from a building inspection Point of view they were getting enough revenue from this for the time they spent on the site and still allowing some extra Beyond what their actual cost was to be there and to maintain their equipment So these people still actually will be paying An annual fee plus a maintenance maintenance fee of 20 dollars per year in addition to that So the idea was to try to keep it around 100 dollars for for each one of them For the inspection of the premises on the early basis and their license and otherwise it could skyrocket to 600 dollars and That was the committee's decision good Alderman Thank you your honor just For clarification purposes the coin operator laundry Washers and dryers two dollars that's per machine because it really does not state that in here Same thing for the vacuums the car wash vacuums things like that, correct? Okay, thank you Uh after another discussion, would you call the roll please van akron van der wheel wangeman warner bowman burg bonnet surda graph mani montemayor peres peterson rindflash sagali 14 eyes one note motion carried steve other matters 955 is a communication from china steinhard 1311 maryland avenue in support of building the new police station in chariden park And that will go to building use 956 the communication from chris and chris Hansen at all regarding an issue that has risen in the alleyway between the 1600 block of saman avenue and sibling court as a Business has installed concrete barriers to stop all access through the alleyway And that will go to public protection and safety and public works 957 is a communication from charter communications regarding their additions to the digital service and their changing prices on their promotional packages as of September 1 2004 for a small segment of their customers and that will go to finance We have motion to second be for us. No other discussion All of them in sagali. I'm sorry, mr. Mayor Do we not need to clarify concerning the times for lakefast and broad days? That people were thinking that serving beer was going to be extended in 1030 There was an agenda There was an agenda Okay, we'll clear it up. We'll clear it up, but she will clear it. We'll talk to public works tomorrow. I'm sorry then. Thank you Another discussion all favor