 Welcome to Reader Syndicate 3.0, the next evolution of the look into counterculture that is canna. My name is Matthew, owner of Riot Seeds, and this started as a one-man mission for strain history and breeding science. Over time, it's evolved into something bigger, better, and more of a team effort. We will be joined by members of the Canna Luminati and other friends throughout the seasons to hear their takes on grow techniques, breeding science, strain history, and more. Our mission is to combat the narrative that corporate cannabis and seed posters are obfuscating for their own financial benefit. Welcome to the Underground. We are The Syndicate. Welcome to Reader Syndicate. I'm Matthew, here with my co-host Thousandfold, and today we're talking again with Jay Generation from Federation Next Generation Seeds, one of my favorite BC Seedmakers there is, one of the most successful BC Seedmakers there is that is still around doing his thing. Welcome Jay, glad to have you again. Thanks for having me. Thousand, you want to kick it off? Yeah Jay, so like I mentioned before, I was actually just refreshing myself and watched the last couple of chats you had with Matt, which is now maybe just under a year ago. Yeah, close to a year. Yeah, in there you talked about, you know, moving to Argentina, and so maybe before we get into the nitty gritty of what's been going on just recently, maybe tell us a bit about what it was actually like to move, like what was that whole experience like? Well, for me, I'm quite used to moving in my life, so I lived in Spain for quite a few years and in Holland and back and forth to Canada. So I'm quite used to moving, but this is a long way to travel. It's about a 30 hour flight from Canada, and I've been coming back and forth now for the last year, about four or five trips. And now I'm making a more permanent switch down here. Just the cost of living is so much cheaper, and to get into the legal system for growing and selling seeds, it's way cheaper and more economical here. And in Canada, it's just a nightmare of bureaucracy. So it just seemed like a natural move to me. I speak Spanish, or a basic Spanish. So yeah, yeah, this was just a nice place where I can come and produce seeds here on a larger scale at a much, much better price. Is Argentina mostly a Spanish speaking nation? Yes, it's all Spanish. Okay, yeah, I didn't know if it was like Portuguese, like Brazil, because it's down, isn't it down in that region? Yeah, yeah, neighbors to Brazil. That's right. Okay, cool. Yeah, but they have their own version of Spanish here. It's not like Mexican. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, cultural Spanish. Was there a lot of preparation for you to move? Not really. Like I said, over the last year and a half or so, I've been making regular trips down here. Just getting to know the market and going to the big expos and the trade shows, getting to know the distributors and the licensing process. And yeah, so my choice is between Chile and Argentina, but in the end I chose Argentina. There's more going on here. I like the culture. The city is like Buenos Aires is like living in a European city like Barcelona. And then when you go out to the country, it's like being in the prairies out in Canada, go out to rural Alberta or something, you know. Oh, wow. So it's kind of the best of both worlds. Yeah. That sounds lovely. One thing I want to ask you right away is what the actual kind of weed scene there was like, you know, genetics, culture, all that. There's a huge weed scene here and it's been, it's growing by bounds every year. And they've recently legalized it, but the legalization process is so broad. There's the medical personal licenses that you can open a, what they call an OMG club where you can grow weed for people. You can't make a profit, but you can pay your growers very well. Yeah. That's kind of how that works. The licensing that I've began here now is for seed production, seed import, export and research. That's awesome. So that's, yeah, that's the process I'm starting now. And is it less prohibitively expensive down there to get those licenses than say Canada or the US? It's ridiculously economic. I don't want to almost say it because I don't want my competition to move here. Yeah, no. Hundreds of dollars, not tens of thousands of dollars. Put it that way. Under a thousand dollars, I got all my licenses. Yeah, that's amazing. So it's, it's just a paperwork process. Is it a long paperwork process? Not too bad. A few months, a few months. And I'm going to, I'm doing my paperwork processing in one of the provinces, the smaller city. So it'll happen a lot faster than doing it here in Buenos Aires where there's 17, 18 million people. Oh, sure. It takes longer to get to the paperwork. So I got, had my legal problems out in the province this year. So that's why I'm doing my paperwork now. And yeah, it should happen pretty quickly. So I'm pretty pleased with that. I've got a good lawyer getting my, my, all my, my papers in order. So, yeah, it's been an adventure. Has it changed the work that you've been doing to, sorry, that's the way we're saying it, has moving there changed like the way you've approached your work in any way? Like what have you been working on this last year or so? Well, there's lots of people here and, and farms that I've been testing out my genetics. So I've got to see my genetics growing on a much larger scale and see how they perform here. More so than I could in Canada. Canada was so prohibitive. I didn't know if it was indoors. And here I was able to do some, see a lot of my genetics and under greenhouses and on big farms. And it's, and in Chile as well. I got friends over there that grow for medical associations. And just the scale that I've seen my genetics growing on here is just so much better than Canada for, for me. So yeah, I'm getting, getting to learn a lot about my strengths in a different, you know, a different latitude, a different climate. And seeing which ones are thriving, which ones don't do so well. Can you tell us some specifics about like specific highlights or contrasts in the growing patterns? Well, big thing down here because we're south of the Amazon, the high, high humidity. It's a really, really big problem here. And that's what everybody's looking for all the serious growers here. They're looking for genetics that can handle the humidity and don't get Budrod or powdery mildew. And they have a lot of, a lot of the Spanish genetics is what's on the market here is the Spanish seed companies. And they tend to have a big problem with, with, with mold. And everybody, everybody that's been growing my strains here, that's one of the things that they really, really liked. I did, because I'm living in British Columbia on the West Coast. I'm sure you know all the rain. A lot of my strains are really, really resistant to Budrod. And so I'm hearing a lot of good feedback. Yeah, I'm very happy about that. And, but yes, harvest season now is going to be in about two and a half months or so, about two months. But I've had reports from last year as well now, coming here for a while. Are there any ones specific that you're, you're pretty stoked about that have done well in that super wet climate down there? Actually, yeah, there's been a few. My Avalon, I'm completely happy with it. My Blue Dynamite, which is the Avalon original grapefruit cross, extremely well. But those were, I selectively bred those in Canada for mold resistance. My surprises though have been my half CBD, half THC strain, first contact. Yeah. It is just so amazingly healthy and robust here with no Budrod. And just, it looks, the buds look like they're, they were grown indoors. Oh, wow. It was just beautiful. This is the outdoor fields I've seen of it on two different farms. And how did they make that THC CBD down there? Is that something that they look for when buying cannabis? More and more. The older people, yeah, it's more and more becoming, but they're like, they just want the strong stuff to a lot of the people. Because people here, the economy is bad. People want the most bang for the buck. Makes sense. Yeah. But my other strain that's been thriving down here is my Latina sativa. I told you about that one. It's the Colombian red crossed with the Mexican sativa that I've been working on back in Canada for years and years. And there's plants now over, it's still early in the season, but three, three and a half meters and going strong and start, just starting to flower now. Where did you grab that Colombian red from? Do you remember? From the source? I'm not exactly sure. It was probably at least 20 years ago. I think it was one of Romulan Joe's friends. Oh, wow. Yeah. So, yeah, it was back in the early 2000s. I actually can't nail it down right now off the top of my head. Was it long flowering? Yes, very long. About 12 weeks or 12 weeks. We were this close to getting Romulan Joe in. This close to getting him on the show. Oh, you were getting it. Oh, sweet. Yeah. I have talked to him and he's super cool. He's super nice, but yeah. He's such a nice guy. Yeah, he's great. And what was the Mexican sativa like that you used in that line? I think it was a Oaxacan. Oh, nice. The Oaxacan that I used, yeah. And, yeah, still, like I said, it's from 20 years ago. So I kind of revived it. A few years ago, I revived it again and then brought the seeds down here. And they're just thriving, thriving. The plant doesn't stop growing. Like they're back at home, huh? Yeah, exactly. Makes sense. I did want to ask real quick as well. Like, have you been working with anything new since you've been there? Yeah, I have a few local strains, two local ones. I think one is from Brazil. Another one is from the northern provinces here that grows up in Corrientes. The northern province of Argentina have been growing and amazing. Like the branching pattern reminds me of the old, original great troops from back in the 90s and just constantly branches. But has that almost like the haze smell. Oh, nice. A lot of people are telling me when they see the cat here, I think it's reminiscent of a lot of the old Brazilian varieties from way back. But this group of growers have had it now in the northern provinces here for a while. So where I've got that. But, yeah, that's a local variety that I believe comes from Brazilian genetics because a lot of the stuff comes down from Paraguay and Brazil. Yeah. And Argentina, for some reason, don't grow a lot of their own weed even though they have perfect growing conditions. It's kind of surprising to me. Were there any like old Argentina strains you had heard of when you got there that were kind of legendary legacy type strains? Yeah, there's a few things I can't say any names in specific, but nobody really raved about any of the local genetics. There wasn't anything that really stood out as something special. I talked to people. All the local growers, all the good stuff genetics come from elsewhere. The local stuff is not worth bragging about. Yeah. So the Brazilian stuff has some good genetics there. Oh, yeah. Like the Bahia Blackhead was a big one there. The Limone Verde stuff like that. Okay, yeah. And they take into the cookie stuff there, like the modern stuff. Are they about that yet? No. Where have they been up? No, not yet. A few of the international deduction Spanish companies that try to advertise some of their seeds as American genetics because it's the flavor of the month type of thing. But the cookies and that, I sell quite a bit of the, there's a lot of interesting things like the gelato and the granddaddy perps and things like that. But no, the cookies hasn't been a big thing here yet. That's awesome. It smoked some good, really good white truffles the other day though. Oh, did you? They made it down there? Yeah. That counts. That counts, I think. That counts. Yeah, definitely. Delighted as well, maybe. In-bread cookies for sure. Okay, that's really interesting. I mean, when you're, you know, you talked about some of the genetics you're getting from Brazil. What's it like being down there in terms of being exposed to this kind of more regional genetics? It's, well, I live in Buenos Aires and work around here, so they're exposed to a lot of international genetics, but it's almost all Spanish, often Spanish and a few of the Dutch companies. And there's only one really American country company that I've seen here at the trade show circuit and in the stores is the Humboldt Sea Company. Yeah, they've made it big everywhere. Yeah, so me, the next generation and Humboldt are basically the only North American companies that we see on the making their rounds down here. Yeah. Well, that's nice. I mean, that it's not a ton of, you know, American competition as it were, you know. Yeah. Well, the thing is one good thing too, I think we're in a good position is they're getting sick of the Spanish genetics and they're starting to figure out it's all the same seeds being repackaged. Different names. It's all the same name, all slightly similar names, but it's all coming from the same bag. Yeah. And they've figured that out now and they want something fresh. You know, it's fucked up as in America. They still haven't figured that shit out. It doesn't matter what company. I can't believe it. I can't believe how it's all just white label and repackaged. Everything. Everybody goes. But what am I going to do? Yeah, we've talked about it on the show a bunch and people are just, it just like goes over their head that no, they really are picking from one bin, throwing it in a bunch of different seed packages for the most famous companies. Do you know why? Do you know why, man? And she is like, yeah, yeah, I know other people do that. But the stuff that I buy isn't like that, right? Yeah, that's true. Well, you're buying 10, 15 cents a seed and then they turn around and put it in a baggie and sell it for several dollars. Yeah, the Mylar switch. So do you want to start digging into more recent stuff before we jump into anything else? Oh, yeah, well, yeah, I had a little adventure. Yeah, I'd love to hear some more about it. It sounded pretty insane. Yeah, it was pretty insane. It was just bad luck. I've been up here. I went to see, I've been in the province here in the city of Rosario. So I have my friend who has an ONG and a medical cannabis club and he owns a cannabis radio station for all that. So I was going to go see him and have him help me with my paperwork to get registered here in the system. We were driving there a few weeks ago and we got pulled into a check stop. It happened to be a military check stop in what happened to be a cartel city. And so they pulled us in and they didn't know what to do with us because we were foreigners and they found all my seed collection that I was about to declare to the government to sign up for my licensing. And they were military police. They didn't understand the civilian law. And so they locked us up for several days with no phone calls, no nothing. And so yeah, just because they didn't understand the paperwork and I didn't have the paperwork in correct order. So the only reason we got out is I have some really good friends and they called the car rental company and they tracked our car by GPS and the GPS showed that we were in a really bad, bad neighborhood where people disappear. So my friends thought we got the car jacked and so they called, they followed the GPS and they found out we were in the back of a military compound, it was where they were keeping us. And so he showed up with his lawyer who happened to be work for the Ministry of Security for the province. And so my buddy rolled in after day three that we had no phone calls from anyone or nothing. My friend showed up with the lawyer and the guys in suits and the police treated us differently. What was going through your mind in the first day or two? We had no idea with no phone calls. They said, oh, we called the Canadian Embassy but they're not answering the phone. They're completely useless. So we were just waiting and we didn't know three days. We didn't know. And the Colombians in the cell next to us were telling us they'd been waiting there for six months just to get and haven't even been charged yet. So we were thinking the worst. Oh my God. So we were, yeah, my friend showed up with the lawyers and before that the police were treating us horribly. You couldn't even go to the washer without cups on and a gun in your face. So yeah, and after that all the guards started treating us like how do these Canadians know the lawyer for the Ministry of Security and who are all these government officials showing up? Yeah. And this happened to be a friend of mine who knows the right people and we got lucky and he got us out. Thank God you had good friends that went looking for you. Yeah. He found us at 4.30 in the morning following the GPS and found the car in the back of the compound. And then he got on the phone with the lawyers and yeah, they came in and saved my friend. What the hell of a friend? Yes, yes. Do you have any idea what would have happened if he hadn't done that or they hadn't been able to touch with him? We were told that we could have been there for weeks and weeks before the Canadian Embassy would have actually got some kind of formal papers. So right now basically I'm released right now temporarily. I can't leave the country. But basically the judge says because I quite honestly gave them my story. I said I'm here to open my legal company. I didn't have my papers right in proper order and that's why I'm coming to Rosario to do my paperwork. And she's seen that I was above board. I got all my tax papers and all that's fine. She's released me but I have to get all my licenses now by law. She said part of my conditions of my release is I have to get all my cannabis licenses fast. So I might even get my licenses faster than the local people because the judge says I have to. So it could end up working out for me. I'm trying to think positive about it but I can't leave the country until I'm fully licensed. So they kept your passport? No, they actually gave me my passport back with restrictions. Yeah. How has it all felt? How long ago? About a week and a half ago I got out. Jeez. How are the conditions? How are the conditions? It was actually I was very pleased. It was a military prison because we had bunks and it's not eight guys to a cell. So we actually had a mattress and a blanket. The guys that I was in with were good but there was zero privacy. The doors are never closed so the police just come through anytime they want and just go through your things and they basically kept us sleep deprived for three days. Every two hours we'd come in and wake you up and ask for an ID number or passport number just some bullshit. Three days. The food was shitty. That's what you expect I guess though. Yeah. The guys in there were funny because we were in novelty. They'd never seen Canadians down there before. The cell beside cocaine guys that got seized with a big airplane from Medellin and our cellmates, a big ecstasy dealer and everybody was treating us like weird, like why are you here? It's a bag of seeds. That's crazy. There's no flower even. Nope, not even a single flower. So the judge and the prosecutor right now are arguing they're trying to figure out what classification this fits on there because the laws are still being written here and it wasn't really a crime. It was just failure to do my paperwork in the right order. So that's what we're working on right now. I'm going to do whatever they ask of me and I'm going to get my licenses and try to get back to work. Yeah. Did it affect anything you currently have growing? Did you have to chop stuff down? Maybe I shouldn't even ask that. Let's go to the next one. Yeah. Did it slow you down at all I should say? Well, yeah, a little bit. Yes, it's told me down some. Yeah. Okay. Throw with the punches. Yeah. God, that's a rough, rough way to go. All for seeds. All just trying to grow some legal weed in a country that's supposed to be really good with it. Yeah, well it is very good with it. But my Spanish is a little bad and the paperwork I didn't get it filed in the right order. So that's basically I'm going to be looking at a probably paying a few fines and cartel people that picked you up. Yeah. But it was narco police. It was the police that hunt the narcos. We had the guns do our head. Yeah, I bet. That's some serious. Yeah, I'm not used to that. My first time I've ever had a legal problem in my life. Yeah, that's got to be very unnerving, especially in another country where you don't really speak the language as well. And it wasn't as bad for me, but I had my friend just visiting for a couple of weeks. I'm going to go do some fishing. And he came with me and so he ended up doing three days with me now as well. So, and he did not speak a single word of Spanish. So he's a lot more stressed than I was. I at least know the language somewhat. So we're waiting right now. He's waiting to get his money and his phone back from the police. Oh man, so he's still there too. Is the file charges on him as well? No, it's me. As I told the police and the judge straight up, my friend is visiting. I own a seed company. And it's pretty obvious he's got nothing to do with the business. What a wild ride, bro. You're going to end up locked up abroad or something undiscovered. Yeah, fuck. No, I don't. I got good friends here, I think. Yeah, dude. I can't even imagine if I were in that same situation realistically having to rely on someone else to figure out one that you're missing. Two to take action, you know? Yeah. I was trying to figure it out. I thought when you get in there you start thinking, okay, just keep your mouth shut and give them time to figure this out. But there's day two, two and a half and like, okay, did they figure this out now? And then that like a miracle they showed up out of nowhere. So get this, the police they treated us like shit. And then after we had my friends come and visit us we started getting treated a lot, a lot better. And then at the end when the judge gave us the release and we went back to the barracks to pick up our bags and our reclaim our stuff. Two of the police officers, they were all joking like we were all friends, which is fucking me. Yeah, right. But two of them asked me, being a police officer here is horrible. When you get your license can we come work for you? Oh, yeah. Please ask me for a job. When we were leaving, I was like what kind of bizarro world is this? Yeah, right? Treat me like shit and I'm going to pay you. And yesterday you had a gun in my face while I was sitting on the toilet. Right? That's not going to happen, pal. Yeah. We can definitely come back to this. I just wanted to ask you, what does the rest of the year look like for you now after this? I'm just... Yeah, I'm just going through my paperwork. I'm getting a job here with my friend as soon as I get my taxes filed and I'm legally in the system here. There's no NGO here that grows for a big medical association. They want me to come help them on the farm because they don't have anybody that can grow on a large scale. Yeah. So I went and advised them on how to do that. And plus, I've had an Airbnb in a hostel here in Buenos Aires. So I have a 7 room hostel downtown Buenos Aires which is doing a little side project here. It's a pot friendly hostel. What is the tourism they like? Do you know how many tourists go there? It's a big city for tourism. Oh, yeah. There's a concert in South America whether it's anybody famous, Buenos Aires is where they come. 18 million people live here. Wow. So it's huge. Yeah. It reminds me of New York. Go ahead. What are you saying? I was going to ask if you had you bumped into many other Canadians while you were there. Not too many Canadians. A lot of Americans. There's a lot of gringos here. But there's a huge expat community. They're all kind of strange fellows too. Like everybody Kenny there. Yeah. Before we came on, there was someone that I had met a long time ago in the JNOS named Mr. Hayes. So it was cool to see him as well. That's who we're speaking about. Mr. Kenny Hayes. He's very well known. Well known, yeah. He's been around for a long time. Almost all the people in Amsterdam when I was first getting in the scene knew who he was and he was kind of the dude to know back then. Yeah. It's cool to see him. Yeah. In terms of the community and the people you meet, have you gotten to meet many of the other local, either like seed makers or growers or is it kind of still a bit more distant? No, I've been very fortunate here. My one partner that I work with, she had a lot of my distribution in Chile. She knows everybody in the business of South America. She speaks at all the big expos. She owns the cannabis and health museum in Valpariso, Chile. She's owned the cannabis and health museum there for years and she has pot friendly bed and breakfast. Has host cannabis cups. So she's helped me mix with the local community in the south for all the cannabis cups. I get to go all to the private events. I've got a few growers down here that are trying to, right now a lot of people are trying to team up with me and I'm still not sure which direction to go because they want to, it's a business opportunity but I want to do things myself and not team up with too many people. Yeah. It might take me longer to get into the system but I'm my own boss then and that's how I prefer. I didn't move down here to grow for other people but I've been offered several big farms down here that are licensed but I'm taking my time. I'm not in a hurry. Now I'm in a hurry obviously. After my legal problems other than that, I've been kind of easing into it quite slowly but I sponsored a few of the big cannabis cups in Cordova and Rosario and North Buenos Aires so I've gotten to know the community very well in the last few years. Are there several cannabis cups a year there? Many, many. It's like the USA and they'll speak to them. They're popping up. There's more every year. There's more. That's awesome. Are the Spanish there in heavy presence or are they mostly doing the mailing? They're here in heavy presence but they usually team up with a local distributor and they have to go through the licensing process as well. A lot of the big farmers here with the licenses they get contracts with the Spanish companies or the Dutch companies because they can't import seeds here they have to be produced here so importing is not really allowed but obviously everybody does it but they're still setting up the framework of the business here so more and more the seed that's being sold here is being produced here. When it comes to the Spanish companies like in some of the Dutch companies are they actually sending their own gear down there or are they just having them produce seeds and packaging it as their gear? I believe I've been at both. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, they make enough here to produce a whole new system. Yeah. Sounds like it's a good place to produce a lot of seeds though by the economy wise how cheap it is to produce seeds down there. For me the economy is the number one reason I can be here for a couple hundred dollars I can rent a farm. Wow. So labor is cheap and highly skilled and the roads are good better than Canada. Oh wow. They have economic problems but everything seems to work here. You had a good question. I have a couple actually so while you were talking about the edges that reminded me of what's been going on in Thailand have you heard much of that, Jay? The recent changes again? Yeah, I haven't talked too closely here. So you know how a bunch of people moved there because they were opening up, etc. REC, medical, everything the newest government is doing a full 180 on REC and I wonder what's going to happen to all our friends or people we know who have actually moved there to grow. Yeah, I have a few friends that are here. The newest government is not keen on it but they're keeping mid as far as I know. Well in Argentina here too we just had the election a few months ago the new president here and he claims to be a libertarian but I think he's pretty hard on drugs so some people are scared of what he's going to do but I think this is so ingrained into the system now and there's corruption on every level here on other levels the level of corruption here there's no way for them to get this out of the system now even if the government does want to change it it's cannabis is in now there's no change in it. Yeah, I can't put the genie back in the bottle. You're good. So the other question I had was what's going on back in Canada like are you needing to maintain anything over there while you're still in Argentina? I have my genetics safe with friends back in Canada and just guarding my mother's trains things like that but my partner's still in Canada running a website he's well stocked before I moved down here he made sure he was well stocked so yeah other than that things are going on smoothly in Canada I think the government had put a cost to go around the operation in Canada legally it was just it made no sense it's not much different in the US right now for a lot of the big seed makers here it's getting so prohibitively restrictive and people think that because they hear in other states that it's more illegal even in California realistically it's less legal to grow more legal to buy and that's when the quality dips out yeah it's interesting down here I think they're I like to design how they're doing the laws down here and it's not cost prohibitive it's not it's harder for big corporations to monopolize the way they set it up here and they kept it community based and club based from the communities so yeah it has an ONG or a company that helps to sell weed you can grow up to 1,300 plants with your patients and the prices here are double or triple that we get for it in Canada like almost 10 US dollars a gram wow in Canada you can barely sell it for 3 or 4 dollars a gram yeah it's gotten so low so yeah here it's amazing how high the prices and how the low the cost of production is so for me it's a no brainer is there a connoisseur quality market there to be had yet yes there is I've got a few people talking about their opening dab bars in clubs like that but it's like anywhere they got your price range from your 5 dollar a gram weed to your 12 dollar a gram weed for the top quality but a lot of people here don't know the top quality stuff so when you show it it's mind boggling to them oh I'm sure it's just making its way down yeah and the skills of the local growers are coming up pretty fast I mean it's a farming world it's a farming community right they shouldn't take them too long to figure out how this plant works and operates and what we want out of it no exactly but the good stuff is still growing indoors here because outdoors is a community factor but I don't know I've seen a lot of my strains being grown here and locals don't know the difference between indoor and outdoor and it kicks ass so I'm happy how's the electrical infrastructure there are you able to run big light grows there it's very very difficult to find the right property with enough electricity the average house here even my hostel downtown has only 40 amps oh shit I can barely turn on more than three air conditioners in the hostel at a time without blowing the breakers so it's inside the city I can't grow there obviously but you have to get a farm and once you have a farm though the weather is great here all around so basically you have the bedrooms you have the clones and the mothers alive and just keep feeding the greenhouses plants from the indoors yeah that's been one of my biggest interest in a lot of people moving to Thailand or any of these rural areas in South America was the electrical infrastructure for a lot of us that are used to doing big indoor operations for our seeds and granted it's not really economical to do that in the United States anymore either it's become so expensive for kilowatt hour and everything looking to different methods yeah well some of the places I've been looking at just the way they build the structures here in the houses usually on the main floor will be a store or a restaurant or a mechanic shop a place like that and then the apartment is above it so I'm looking for an entire building so if you have a mechanic shop or a restaurant you know you have no shortage of electricity yeah good point I've been looking for multiple locations for a place in the city but most of my growing I like to do out in the country so so yeah that's we're looking for that right now for a country place right now what kind of strains do you have stocked with Taylor pretty much our whole catalog we still have it well stocked there's a few actually strains that aren't on our site yet that I should be I should get on working on that but I have a really good Avalon CBD so it's got that Avalon strengths outdoors and beautiful purple buds but a lot more for people who are like maybe hearing you for the first time can you tell us some more about Avalon I know it's one of your like flagship names but yeah that was actually the very first strain I bred back in Canada and I believe was 95 96 it was an Afghani hash plant crossed with the Grigio Blueberry that we had back then in the mid late 90s and I did that first across outdoors and I've been selectively inbreeding it now for almost 30 years so but I did all my selecting in that genetics outdoors on Vancouver Island in on a rainy rainy windy part of the island so it's the first few years when I was doing the selecting of what I was breeding with you know you get that first year you lose half of it to bud rot but then you breed the best plants that made it through it and after several years or a decade of me selectively breeding outdoors it just became so resistant to molds and fungus and it can sit out in the rain for two weeks and you're not going to get a lot of bud rot and it'll put up with the wind and that's what I bred it for it's just something that's for the West Coast where it's wet all the time so and I have a few of the hybrids with that are just amazing my blue dynamite which is the Avalon crossed with the Grigio Dynamite same thing and it's the buds right now are just the most picture perfect blue buds and that's the one seed that's been flying off the shelves for us right now and everybody once they grow they're coming back for more so if anybody wants to try any one strain of ours right now that wants them to be impressed try our blue dynamite that's a really popular one too I got to smoke a bunch of the Avalon space recently yeah it's nice bro it does have a lot of this what people don't realize is that like the sweet pink grapefruit to me at least does resemble Skittles a lot in the Terp profile and it was already existing long before Skittles it's very similar in the Terp profile almost identical in many ways and I wouldn't be surprised if they were related in some way shape or form because it's so similar and sometimes it's not just like the popular name go find out what's in it go talk to people who've been around for a long time and you'll learn about this kind of stuff yeah there's a lot of yeah who knows what's in a lot of this people rename things all the time yeah but it was super nice dude like it did look like you're saying it looked like indoor bud grown outdoor which is it's hard to do and I like to recommend your stuff for people in coastal climates in the US because it is so hardy and mold resistant and it's proven and true for that yeah exactly cool so the Avalon space that you tried was that indoor or outdoors outdoor Mendo oh sweet sweet yeah our buddy is a big fan of yours so he's always growing some of some of your stuff yeah that's actually a strain we have quite a few seats in that still sitting there not too many people bought it because I'm shitty at marketing so I haven't really told that to me but they're only available in regular seats I believe or maybe I'm wrong it's been a while I think those were regs that he grew it's just regular on your website what was the space that what was that one it was just another variety from a big medical club in British Columbia back country harvest they had 11 acre farm and they have did a massive fino hunt and this is one of the cuts off of their farm yeah they had really impressive farm up in the mountains how would you describe it the cut the cut it's very it's it's silvery and more of a lime green not a deep dark green really silvery I guess not the flavor would come from the Avalon more the space didn't have a lot of intense flavor on its own but extremely resinous and light green flowers and that's what did get the hybrid with the Avalon Avalon brought the flavor to that that's the first thing I could taste was sweet pink grapefruit I was like oh yeah I know this one oh there's some grapefruit a lot of grapefruit hmm really nice is there anything else you want to highlight as far as your strains right now well actually yeah the our red truffles okay that's that's a Colombian red oh okay yeah yeah truffles and it's one variety that out of all my variety people ask me about for making hash or full melt bubble the red truffles that resin just melts in your hand and the tricomes separate really easy for making bubble if you want to make a lot of bubble and and that's one that I'm going to do as soon as I can do a big phenol hunt for it here just for bubble hash production and they're large large plants so yeah and yeah the Colombian red obviously the sativa in there but I don't know actually that one probably about about nine and a half weeks somewhere between nine and ten depending on the fertilizers you use yeah what was looking through the offspring like for that because that's kind of the you know the two parents I imagine could hardly be less similar yeah well you guys know I know my Colombian red but this was just a really good cutting on it from the medical company in Canada that truffles and you guys probably know way more than what the truffles than I do I just know it dumped hash and I did the hybrid and it dumped even more hash excellent yeah I don't know the actual truffles much of the history I'm sure you guys I actually don't know much other than it's a cookies variety of some sort in bread cookies of some sort yeah yeah something like that me neither I don't know exactly what's in it you know I haven't kept myself up to date on a lot of what's going on in the US for the genetics because it just seems like it changes so fast but it's mostly the same genetics being renamed in bread it's the last 12 years ever since yeah I I quit paying attention it's just work on my own stuff yeah since I have the show I've had to pay more attention to it because people always ask about these certain things but yeah I just don't really I'd rather learn about the old BC strains from guys like you you know what I mean and talk about that as it goes to the new new yeah I'm down here and everybody's asking me about all these North American strains and stuff like that I couldn't care less I'm like well where's your local stuff yeah right what's the Brazilian I want to try some Paraguay we eat some Bolivian and some Peruvian stuff and they just want to talk about it I want to ask you more about like what's your excess like to genetics like that you know from like you said Paraguay yeah actually I know quite a few people here who work within different countries here with that so I actually built up a nice little collection of stuff down here so once I get my license I'll be able to try a lot of this local stuff out yeah that's cool before I do anything too serious I have to make sure all my papers are in order now so for sure don't want to go through that again when you are back up and running are you documenting this stuff are you sharing it online are you giving an Instagram account sharing pictures or anything very little right now because it's still under investigation and actually the police have my Instagram so they have my phone and my car and all kinds of things so I'm still in the middle of the process right now I know it's all going to work out okay it's just going to be a process but afterwards assuming once you are clear of that stuff do you think you will be documenting a lot of this definitely very exciting so yeah I got two different Instagram pages my Canadian one J generation at Instagram and then next generation Latin American edition so is there anything else you want to get in before we close it up and let you get back to your Dengue yeah feeling a little ill here with the mosquitoes what time is it there in California it's 5 10 p.m. oh okay we're sitting about 10 p.m. here now so yes I figured yeah is there anything else you wanted to plug though not really we have right now we've got a few new auto flowers on our website right now for some specials on for springtime tell anybody to give my partner a call he's always good for giving good deals he's a great dude really friendly too don't hesitate to call him is there a number you can give out here I don't have it off my heart we'll put it in the description add it in the link yeah we can do that that sounds good and I'll keep you guys updated on any other changes in the adventures yeah please do we need to hear about it I wanted to get you on as soon as I heard about it yeah we need to talk about this and see if we can't get something going yeah well hey I appreciate it always man it's a pleasure having you and send my love to Ken and everyone out there and stay in touch brother it's been a pleasure good luck with the whole process dude good luck alright keep me posted I'm gonna end it alright take care guys alright peace hey everyone thank you for listening to the show we also have at the end of today the announcement for our contest winners so we randomly selected people using what is that called verification.org and for the Instagram crowd we have it's Friday 04 that won the contest for the followers on Instagram and we have Sirius Smoke who won for the the contest in discord so get at me either on IG or discord if either you guys are on there well I know Sirius is on there because obviously he won so get a hold of me we'll get you your stuff for the contest I really appreciate everyone who participated I would have liked to see more people follow on Instagram but is what Instagram sucks so yeah I think that's it other than that go check out riotseeds.com where you can get your spray you can find Siege from all the syndicate members that are currently on 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