 All right, you're welcome. If you've just joined us, it is the mindset edition of the Breakfast on Plus TV Africa. It's time for Up the Press and we have a Monday analyst, Upunabo Unkotarya, political affairs analyst joining us from Rivers State. Good morning to you, Upunabo. Good morning. I'm good morning, my dear ones. Okay, let's start with the punch newspaper. The punch newspaper is leading this morning with CBN Investigator probes banks over 1.27 trillion naira intervention funds and the writers there 1.27 trillion naira ankle borrower's loans. Others undisburst five in five banks. Then you have special investigator to summon bank CEOs over intervention funds. Upunabo, let's start with this. Okay, now, most of us are quite aware that these so-called loans and sum are like condit pipes. You ask a question, monies are your max for loans. What best are you doing in the banks? Most of the managers use that to enrich themselves instead of giving out these loans. Although most of the loans that are given out are not paid back, we agree. But rather than give out these loans, what must have been done? They use the loans as another name for them to make more money to enrich themselves. They give to top businessmen, family members and so on. So they thought it wrong to prove it, but I have a problem. You know, in the admission of justice, you don't cherry pick. The tempest of just reason of not be allowed to look fit for you. That's the truth. In Nigeria, we cherry pick in the admission of justice. Most of this, the problem with the bank is, you know, in as much as his style of management was highly questionable, which justifies his flow. But then, we all know the real reason behind his prosecution. But the bank should also prove how the, what is it called again, billion grants move from the banks, carrying billions of Naira to some of the stressors. That should also be proved. Is it legal? How was it done? In some sense, somebody's house, you have cars packed that are not used. I mean, then you have millions of Naira. The bank should also prove. Because everybody has limits. There are limits to which you can have at that point in time. And even if you have these monies, the bank should also, government should also prove how you got it. So that's why it's in the admission of justice, don't cherry pick. I am not saying loans, money meant from the service loans should not be that we are not giving out is justifiable. No, that's what I'm saying. But you don't cherry pick in the admission of justice. You don't just punish Mr. A and Mr. B for doing the same thing. That in this office of justice. Mm hmm. Indeed. And so the uncover was loans have been a major concern, the new minister for humanitarian affairs, you know, suspending it and it's also calling for investment. No, she's not the one. That was the former. She's not the one. Now is the former women leader of APC who was also the commissioner for health in cross river state that is now the minister for humanitarian affairs that is better. Yes, she has suspended the N power program because of some of the things that are regularities. You know, some people were collecting money and we're not going to the site and some whose name should have been struck. I said that the beneficiaries refused to pay back their loans and it's difficult to go back when the money is not viciously used. And maybe given that the essence is to invest in a particular project and from the returns you're able to go back and also sustain yourself. That's the whole essence of the loan. All right, so let's look at some other stories the headlines here. It is a Nigerian system. It is like I know the president so I have definitely not to go back. I know the minister, I have definitely not to go back. Forgetting that these other persons are going to be in office for a particular period. The next person might be different. You know, the next person might be different. Most of them forget this fact. They just think of today and then one thing is that most of them go to buy expensive SUVs and so on and that's if you need to want that. Somebody that could barely feed yesterday's today driving an SUV of 50, 60, 80 millionaires, even large. It is a loan that we're just collected. I was meant for something that was not being used for that. That's it. So I don't have a problem with the poor but in problem let us not carry it. Indeed. Okay, so they had headlines on the punch newspaper. They have some old orders demolition of markets built on drainage. That's the picture you have right there spread out on the punch newspaper. And under that you have FG to grill and power consultants plants five million jobs. That's one I was just mentioning a while ago as we're discussing the loans with the uncle borrower's program. And so you have road crashes that's dropped by 1118 says FRFC and then above the master you have governor's labor begin talks over 35,000 narrow wage award 1000 killed as Israeli Hamas conflict wages us deploys minion you know munitions and then Jaqa sorry yeah okay fine let's let's I thought I thought I thought to you in pains but it's okay let's sit down sorry okay sorry about your pains this morning so you want to speak on the Israeli Hamas conflict I listen to your conversation this morning and I'm touched by history emotional wonder why we have wars in this one and you responded by saying that's an Ethiopian task it's actually a fleeting addition to think that we're not going to have wars in the world because even the bible said by research shall you conquer this man the bible said so so and the wars are not just new in there from day one there is a doubt the conflict between Adam and Eve king and abel busifa and god it's it's maybe we should respect this thing there's a disagreement in your family but in this case we are talking about war and loss of life there is this issue of the drum major instance I am superior to you if you don't capitulate to me I shall deal with you it's it's another form war so we cannot write off war anywhere in the world if things are not done the right way why the drum major instance simple you have the you have the you have the positive aspect the positive aspect is I have to recognize I have to read my books talk about my PhD to recognize in a society I have to be a governor to recognize the negative aspect is why must you be you why not me I have to destroy so we cannot run away from these things that's the truth about it now what are the genesis of the war of course you know that Israel you can remember the rich just for one person that's what is your life you remember the 90 minutes 90 they don't joke with their citizens not like Nigeria America the same thing Britain the same thing we will have the crisis here the military I just opposite my office we saw some persons who moved in took a baby about two kids out and the water was crying how long they didn't realize that those two kids were British citizens and Britain moved in to save their cities they didn't bother about their mother they didn't bother about the mother they are talking about serious countries we are going to do the life of one person is right indeed now we go back to the Israeli Palestinian war we all know the genesis it's biblical I don't want to be sentimental about it it's biblical we all know the genesis of the war those who will never never live in it it's a chance when it comes to protect one of their country and protect one of their citizens if the world lies in Russia lies in the whole world can come to this issue but they will not back they will never back down for whatever reason they have a conviction and they also believe that it is their duties incumbent every Israeli prime minister and every Israeli every feeling the little kid in Israel who is brave to believe that if he dies for his people or his country we will be going to heaven so this things will go on and the Palestinians are as obligated as they can it will also blame them they are more like Israelites they shall conquer by the salt so this was and it's like the war between the Christians and the Muslims it will not end no matter the conversation you have one is true you are the child of god everything belongs to you the same god is saying because usualize are my people up to the end of the world the same god is saying you Muslims go and conquer by the salt and if we are all Christians and Muslims and so you think we are going to resolve this issue or let god himself retracts that's the truth about it so nothing nothing we can't get this this one end it's going to be a floating illusion if we think as humans we are going to solve it god has to retract it that's the only way we can resolve most of these matters indeed if he used to tell the world we are so big if he used to tell the world we are almost done with mentioned it said there is a likelihood of a total war but it can be we can't stop it off if we want to stop it off but there is a strong likelihood of a total and all americans are saying don't go to the house remember so tomorrow if you choose my country pass they might not come to pass but you find out that everything is going towards that because almost everything you have said tend to pass so that's not to control about these wars if we are fought if you are if you are addicted so do it if we are not if we are not in our time all of the time of our great-grandchildren it's a matter of time it's a matter of time like someone said people are not trying to evangelize god so even if god comes down to say stop this thing there's a likelihood that a lot of people will not even believe he's god because he's saying this god cannot say this and they'll go ahead and do what they want to do so well no the thing with god is when he wants anything in the day of his power these people will be willing when he's ready to stop anything nobody happens in the days you speak you you speak from a point of strength there you also have that taste they don't believe in god as far as they are concerned these things are manly i'm not on a taste you see i am a i am a christian although i'm not uh from a fundamentalist i don't believe in by all the pastors we have in Nigeria raising the debt and most of them are just businessmen what i believe in the word of god as seen in the bible in the bible not what a man can shoot not what a man can shoot and even in the bible itself it's not a complex but at least the issue of visualize the issue of ken and neville the issue of the issue of was it i think it was ibrahim israel and ismail yeah at least they all said the same thing they are not dissenting voices in the bible they are not dissenting voices so as a christian i believe that that is the genesis their taste will 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crises, we're going to watch it, when we talk about the global crisis, we are watching, what we are trying to do is to absorb the presidency for the poor subsidy per hour, to say, no, it's a general thing, like when we talk about the flood, they said, oh it's a global delivery in America, you have floods in this state, in that state, they have floods, but they are addressed it, it was mitigated, if that flood should happen, 10 percent of it in America, travel in India, the country will be submerged, the point I'm trying to make is, they come up with all these excuses to absorb the federal government from this attitude, we agree, when there are global crises, there are global crises, it affects every country, and there is no party you can do about it, in that is going to be the cost of fuel, if it is going to affect the price of fuel worldwide, let it affect the price of fuel, let everybody be affected generally and equally, if for example, the price of petrol, without the war, would have been 10, 9, and as a result of the war, it's now for 39, no problem, everybody will understand that, like I said, they are not even talking about the price of fuel, they are not talking about the price of fuel, they are talking about the subsidy, that they told us, which means that this is acceptable, because Pengasin and other bodies, relevant bodies have said that the fuel subsidy, which were told, was removed, was not removed, there is still fuel subsidy being paid, and this seems like a confirmation that it is really being paid, but now it can even go higher, to 644 million. The point I'm making is this, the point I'm making is this, understand my agreement, they came up with this because they are trying to tie its, they are trying to justify, with what Pengasin said, I'm talking about federal government, they are trying to justify the cost of fuel right now, and tell you that it might didn't get worse, as a result of a meaningless, this war, but what I'm trying to tell you is that you cannot justify it, when you talk of fuel subsidy, it's a big drama, let it be semantics, you are talking of cost of petrol, that's what they are saying to you, whether it is removed or not removed, what a man, when a man drives to the city, he says how much per litre of petrol, that's what you mean by the subsidy, is the federal government subsidizing or not, so it boils down to this like, how am I coming down there to say, the GDP, what do you mean by GDP, the man in the market understands the cost of a cup of gare, he's not interested in the grammar, so it boils down to how much per litre of petrol, that is the argument here, now what the federal government is trying to do, or what they are like to know is that it might didn't get worse, as a result of the crisis in the Middle East, no doubt about that, and what I'm saying is, fine, let us all be affected simultaneously, Nigeria will not complain if the price of petrol is 100 Naira as a result of the crisis in the Middle East, but the question is, without before the crisis, what was the cost, and during the crisis, are we supposed to buy at 100 Naira per litre, for example, the crisis ordinary would have made up, would probably have purchased at 18 Naira per litre or 70 Naira per litre, but now we are buying at 100 Naira because we are talking of the crisis, the global crisis, and the energy of a government, so you cannot justify it whatsoever, that is not even the argument here, talking about, also don't even want to bother about, I don't want to bother about Nibwa and all the stuff, please, I know I told you on the last time that they will never go on strike, I told you about that, so I don't want to bother about all those arguments. So as far as I'm concerned, they are doing that in the interest of the microcopies, including the labor leaders, because you can't talk of negotiating with the federal government, the negotiations will only impact positively on those in Abuja, the federal government workers, what are the stakes, I don't want to go into NLC and all those stuff, because I'll be giving NLC and the TUC some credits, I'm not gonna, I'm bothered about Nigeria's, so the issue of the crisis, what they are trying to tell is that, oh look, two things, one, I say a lot of the crisis, you're not going to buy petrol at the rate that you should buy, genuinely at the global markets, genuinely, because it's going to affect it, that is number one, but that does not mean, okay let's just say for example, I said before, that for the crisis you got bought at 200 Naira, now you're going to buy at 400 Naira, but before the crisis already we are buying at 500 Naira, so what happens, so are you going to say, if it's as a result of the crisis, as a result of the crisis we ought to be buying at 300 Naira or 400 Naira, now as a result of the crisis, while others are buying at 500 Naira and it will be buying at 900 Naira, let's look at some other headlines, quickly now maybe take your pick, let me tie these two together, let me take your pick, trade works over Tinnubu Chicago certificate and then 107 ex senators urge caution on Tinnubu certificate saga, that's one, if you want to respond to that, I don't know, I don't want to respond, I don't want to respond, I don't so then this will not write to me, even if they beat it to a rise, if it doesn't write to you, I have told you, let me for warn you, because I cannot understand such a stand, he is a man of double skills and important of cheeks and keep, such is I am not going to be in such a certain kind of some such position decision, and even when he was asked on the sister station, ఍వాలిడిలికాలితాకిలి ఇఠఫిసినినివికికాన౿. ఎసిని. దాకిరికికి ఁదియాతూవినికికానిపాకి తార౿ని. වවසිවදියේුවවිර වසැක්නයෙණා වනින්න්න්නක්න්න. එයඓියි මෙන්න්න්නක්න්නන්න. � ticket that is from the account. 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When the government want to pay the next 7,000, the government starts to take more and more jobs. Then they will be able to take the next 7,000 for example, whether it will be the 0-1-2-4-5-4-5-4-5-5-4-5-5-4-5-5-5-4-5-5-5-4-5-5-4-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5- 5-5. So 3-5-5-5-5-5-5 5-5 5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5 5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5 go fourth And those are the people that are employed in the movie. We are all aware that when it comes to election, you have 21 billion special advisors and assistants. You are all aware. Yes, most of them are not paid. And once after the election, that is the end of them. How long are you going to deceive people? It's a shame. 5 million dollars because you have prices. Who is going to provide the 5 million dollars? Who is going to provide the 5 million dollars? We are not even talking about the government. It shouldn't be assistants, advisers, ministers. No, what we want is to provide the negative environment. So we have a public-private partnership. In those days, we are not sure if the total answer is all over. Most people don't even know who their government is. Why? We are doing for the employees. We are not sure if the total answer is all over. And they are coming out with me. Now everybody is looking at the government job. How much is it in the salary? And the government cannot employ me. Okay. Provide the environment. If you provide the environment, it means you will continue to screen God. And people will continue to employ you. Not you coming to the term of 5 billion jobs. That we have had all these how many years ago. We know that the TVP government will have that. Oh, we are trying to. It's a scammer. If anybody asks him, they are asking him to account for it. As you go with ministers with provisional notice. Well, we have to... We have to draw the curtain here. I just wish we had more time. Anytime we are discussing newspaper headlines, we should have more time to talk about them. Because every topic is a topic we can carry for one hour. But unfortunately, we are pressing for time. But this is how we are going to draw the curtain on this segment. Today we would like to thank you for your time. It's always a pleasure having you join us on the show. Thank you. We will take a short break now. When we return, we will go to our first hot topic. Stay with us.