 All right guys, we're gonna go ahead and wrap this up. Does anybody, before I like, do all the final stuff, does anybody have any lightning talks that they wanted to get out of the way real quick? Nope, excellent. Well, so that's it. Thanks everybody. I hope, beat it. So quick question, so I guess we've had three years over and over and it's gonna be here, it's gonna be here, it's gonna be here. So do you know roughly when the next venue, because I think that this was a good, I think people liked this venue, I think people loved Park City, they loved Puerto Rico, well, except the distance. Right. So I am curious when we'll find out about the next venue. And then I guess also what, I think one of the things that is helpful in the past is when maintainers could give their four minutes and 59 seconds about what happened the last year. Because so many people have different perspectives on what excited them over the last year. Right. And I don't know if that's a good thing to add to the schedule in the future. Yeah, so as far as next year, clearly we don't have anything yet. Linux Foundation has asked if we would like to be co-located with OSS, which is in Vancouver next year, around the same time, I think it's like May 7th. I don't particularly care as long as our stuff is separate. It doesn't bother me. One thing that I would like to try to do is maybe increase the size of LSFM. I'm just wondering what you guys thought about that, because I would like the, so officially I would like the opportunity to bring my junior engineers here. And I think that increasing the size of LSFM would help me accomplish that. I don't think we don't go to like 900 people, but this year I think we ended up with a little under 100 attendees. Figure the probably 10 guys that normally show up were virtual, so call it 100 people and normally show up to this thing, so say double it, 200 people. I think this would be worthwhile for us to kind of allow us to bring in, we're all pretty old here, at least I feel old. And it's nice to bring in junior engineers, at least so they get used to the names and faces and are a little less intimidated. Yeah, I didn't know, so I have a couple of very junior members on my team that I wouldn't have thought would have been eligible for LSFMM even if we're going to grow it significantly, especially given how big the FS track is. But if we're going to be co-locating with OSS, the advantage is I can send them to OSS and then I can do an EECS-D4 meetup regardless of whether we're going to actually get all of our junior contributors to our big file systems invites to LSFMM. So that'd be the other advantage of co-location. Okay. The other thing that jumped out at me when I was preparing for helping internally in Microsoft in the Linux course was I stumbled across things where BPF helps us. So I'm being very selfish here. A few years ago we all were blown away when the keynote for this was BPF telling us everything we needed to know about debugging. That was a 10 out of 10 useful thing. But as an example at the storage developer conference, they kicked off one of the things with a 45 minute presentation on how to debug Linux file systems. So a BPF guy, Dr. Haninamati, gave a talk, one of the BPF guys gave a talk about how to debug everything you've been talking about in your presentations. And I'm sure that the same thing applies to blocks. So I think we can cheat, and if we can, and borrow the BPF guys for at least one session. No, I, for that kind of stuff I really like plumbers for that. Like I hesitate to have those style things here at LSFMM. And clearly like this is my opinions and this is for all of us. So with my opinion is not the only one that matters. But I find that I like this venue for working, getting things down. And like it's good to kind of cross pollinate and be like, hey look we can do these kind of cool things. And I think that's a really good thing for lightning talks to follow up on stuff. But as far as like having like a everybody sits in the room and while we like go through demos of cool things. This is more for feedback. So he tells us, here's what I do. And we're like, wow, that's really cool. Why don't you do this? And he says, well why don't you do this? So I guess what I'm getting at is that because it's so important, his feedback to us and our feedback to him matters. When I say our, I mean file system or memory management talking to BPF about tracing and vice versa. Right, yeah that's fair. I'd be curious if there's ever gonna be some feedback or response from people that attended virtually whether they actually got what they hoped to get out of it or whether this would ever happen again or whether we think it's a bad idea. So we had a session right after lunch with the virtual people where they got to all kind of show up and weigh in and stuff. By and large they were really happy. There's some things that we can do to make it a little bit smoother. But especially for some of those that couldn't travel like all of a sudden because of COVID or whatever. Like this went really well and all in all. Notice I was talking to John about this. It's something that I grew up in the storage stack before I pulled over into MM during persistent memory. But something the storage track does or has done in the past is review updates to standards or new things that are coming down the pipe like technology wise. And we had a lot of talks on the memory track about CXL and I think beyond knowing, being able to say CXL I don't think people knew exactly what it was. So maybe planning to have some kind of tech days roadmap like here's the buzzwords that are coming down the pipe and what they mean can level set people before we jump into the problems. I think it was kind of the reverse. We had an overview of what CXL was on Wednesday and Monday and Tuesday were kind of like only the CXL people in the room were included. It felt like at least. Okay, yeah, that sounds reasonable. And I know like historically we've had like the big standards meeting where like fucking can't remember his name. Fred I think stands up here and tells us like all the things that the industry is doing. Like we didn't just didn't do that this year because I know Omar wasn't sure who was gonna be here and stuff. And like I think that this year as far as like scheduling was just a bit of a mess because it was sometimes. Yeah, I can't imagine one. So, but I think I was really happy with how this year went. Like this went really, really well and it's just been so long and there's been quite a bit of disconnect. I think that next year we really make sure to like maybe that first morning, right? We have that somebody, everybody stands up and talks about stuff, gets us all up to date with like kind of general things and then we can go into the rest of the conference to work. Well, one of the things that can be useful is just to have an agenda bashing thing where you stand up in the morning all three tracks and you say we have these unfilled slots in the schedule who would like to fill them. Right, then we did a pretty good job of like filling things in throughout the tracks as things came up. But the other thing, we really wanted to have something in place ahead of time again for the zoom and the virtual stuff. So, okay, I will keep all of this in mind. Also, would it be useful to collect people's slides that they've shown put them up somewhere? Yeah, that would be really nice if you guys can send me your slides. We're gonna put all of the things we're recorded, so they're all gonna be up on the YouTube channel, pending some discussions with some other track leaders, but generally speaking, everything that we've been in is gonna be put up so we can go back and reference things. I think for next year, we'll definitely try to keep these scheduling things in mind and these topics stuff. Actually, probably what we need is an LSFMM page where you can put, because you can't upload slides to YouTube. It's sort of everybody thinks, yeah, video is great, but then suddenly you lose correlation. We could use the Kernel Wiki just with an LSFMM page for just do it by year, talk, slides, video and just go down like that, might work. You can delegate somebody to do that. Yeah, that's definitely gonna be one of those things where I find somebody else to do that. Yeah, I also wanna say a big thank you to LWN if we haven't already because I have exactly the same question. Like, there were two of the lightning talks that were really useful. I just can't remember what they were, and so having a page would be useful, but at least LWN has already put up a page for this. So LWN is starting a page that has the, I guess it'll have articles about some of the talks. So at least it's better than nothing already, so I wanted to thank them, but it would be helpful if some of those presentations were up there because a couple of the lightning talks were really useful. Yeah, for sure. Excellent. So as, like usually we pick some poor Schmuck to lead it next year. A lot of us are not here right now, so I'm gonna leave that for later because I don't wanna just throw some air on the bus standing up here. But other than that, thank you, everybody. Can I say that being on the Perkin Committee and watching all of the dynamic decisions and stresses and things that came up and watching how Joseph handled it and kept the level ahead and maybe threw in a few expletives to keep us on track. So thank you, Joseph, for your leadership on this. Yeah. Yeah, of course, we love this conference, and I really wanted to make sure that we were all happy with it, right? So I appreciate the support, right? Like, you know, most of my, I complain a lot, but in reality, like it wasn't that bad. The Linux Foundation did a majority of the work. They were fantastic, and PC, you know, you guys are the ones keeping track of your communities, and that's super helpful in being able to like figure out scheduling and topics and stuff. Like that is, it's tremendous. So yeah, I'm really happy. I'm happy with how this turned out. I'm happy everybody's happy. Again, super huge thanks to Linux Foundation. Thanks to our sponsors who, most of them stayed with us the entire time. So a lot of our sponsors were sponsors from 2020, and they just kept rolling over. They kept saying, yeah, no problem. We'll stick with you until you actually have it. And so that was phenomenal. And I feel like we only added two sponsors this year. So most of the sponsors that we had stuck with us the entire time. So that was excellent. And then of course, LWN is always awesome. So we're super happy you guys showed up and continue to do the great work that you guys do. And I can't thank the AV guys enough. They did a great job as well.