 Check it check it check it. It's a unique house issue boy E ceo and I'm here with the lovely amazing outstanding official miss Jamaica What's going on? None? You know my day will walk on but y'all don't forget to like subscribe follow us on all social media platforms Make sure you make it there and About tongue-tied man, you know hey man when you when you special at this like myself You know I'm saying you don't you'd never miss don't miss a never break Ain't no pressure ever gonna do anything cuz my the steps of a good man is all about a lord Hey, man, check it man. We don't boss. I want to one today y'all We got a special special treat for you guys man Y'all got to check this one out man sit down get you a cup of coffee or coca-cola or Sprite or or some water Cuz this might be a good one man D garden Frank's is here man And he has a lot of info that he gonna provide us with today man this guy right here man. He's been Military he wrote books. He's done a play just a Litany of things man, and I'm so honored to have you on boss talk one or one. What a boss is taught Man, let's get to it. So I like to go back and dig deep down as a child growing up because our audience don't know who Gordon Frank's is So let me know where were you born and raised? Little town outside of Detroit. Okay, or here on Michigan. Okay 30,000 people This crime Michigan back then because when I think about Michigan right now People thought about people talk about how you know the gangs the Violence all of that sort of things and that's Detroit even back then. Oh, no, that's not so much. Oh, that's Detroit Okay, so it didn't affect your small town. That's close. Mm-hmm. What was it like growing up there? I Don't like really for lack of a better word. Yeah, and it was my ratio. That's what I was wondering more blacks more white we want to Grade school was predominantly black, but okay after that we matriculated into junior high It was predominantly white. Wow. Yeah, how far is that from Saginaw and all those are quite away We are 50 miles northeast of Detroit. Okay. Okay. Michigan is the map. Mm-hmm. We are right here. Okay I'm out a quarter mile from Canada. Okay. I see where you at Definitely my son went up there and was working a way up there by Canada So he had to be pretty close and I was like, man I seen him up there with a boy of my friends that got a trucking company and I just that's how when I first started saying Dang Canada right there. Yeah, I didn't realize that. Were you raised? Which your mom and dad in the household? Yes Okay, and you're how many siblings do y'all have do you have five of us on my mother's side? Gang of us on my daddy's daddy was a rolling stone. Yes, he was But he was in the household. No That my daddy was in the household, but my father was not. Oh, okay. That's you. So did you know your father? Yes, okay, but he was just not around did you spend time with him? Yes, okay So he was very very instrumental in your upbringing. Yeah kind of like I said, I had a daddy So that's there all the time all your life How old were you when your father left? Oh my mother and father were never married, okay? And my mother married my stepfather or my choice your daddy. Mm-hmm my daddy when I was two We adopted me. Yes. Okay. Yeah, okay So when you were young so you didn't care at that age you you grew up thinking that that was your father No, I knew I'm knowing he wasn't okay. Yeah, okay. That's cool. Wow You know when I looked when I started looking down at that history road, I you went to the military early on. Yeah, I Was doing things I shouldn't have been doing and What was you doing? Yeah, what were you doing? Everything what do could a man because this was this was this was the 70s 60s What could you do in the 60s? That was so bad back then the things that they did back then now They've legalized. So what some of it and how are you at this time when you're talking about you were doing things He wasn't supposed to be doing I was 17 18 19, okay What were you doing drugs? Oh, you was doing drugs You selling drugs selling drugs back then What was the drug of choice? Yeah, because heroin heroin. That's we talking to Frank Lucas before Before yeah, that's even before Frank Lucas probably I think was this before because that would be it no I'm not this was during that time called Frank Lucas went over there and he brought drugs back on the plane So this was during that time Was that something when I think about the Frank Lucas story? Is that something that you could fathom that one could bring drugs from with through the military back to the u.s Certainly, I did it you did it How give me a breakdown on how you would get drugs from over there and they had the drugs over there Did they had coca leaves? Uh, no, what was I mean? What did not it wasn't cocaine. It was heroin. I messed that up So, how did you get it back? well Mac in the day when you took Polaroid pictures, okay, you would peel it and Put it inside of it on a harder Mac, okay, well, you would take the drugs and Put them in a plastic bag Some type of plastic and they take two of those backs and stick them together and Just right on them. Oh, you couldn't never admit and they just went on in but that was I wasn't doing it Not in a grand scale. Yeah, cuz you it couldn't have been that like when I know if on the movie Frank Lucas They was putting it in the caskets Inside of the caskets. They was out Literally that this had to be somebody was deeply embedded inside of how they transported the bodies back over to the US And it had it to where they had this thing Designed Where you could you could put say keys of heroin well in the casket when I when I came back to the United States They told us don't bring anything back because You've been over here a year You go back home and get caught with some drugs and guess what you're going to jail. Correct. So when I got off the plane That was it. No, no, no custom. No, nothing and I could have had a body in my duffel bag They wouldn't even know and that was only because you're military. They didn't really care, right? They trusted y'all I don't really think about But they scared us enough right that we didn't want to didn't want to know But the reason why people would go overseas to go try to do that because they would get it cheaper Or they got a better connect or what was it? It was a better drug. It's a better drug over there We were smoking it Just put it in a cigarette and smoke it Really so y'all wouldn't inject in it What did it do to you when you smoked it got you high? It's the same thing as if you did inject it Yeah, well not not as intense not as I got you. I got you. I Make you not out. Okay. So you get over there and now you get on those on that How hard is it for you to? Stop doing it Because you were on it for how long how long were you addicted to it for? I'm going to say Five years maybe But my addiction was different I Didn't think I was addicted because I didn't use all the time every day And I you know, I kept buying cars and beautiful women and I told myself the lie Then I wasn't a junkie but in reality I was I was just a functioning junkie Wow Man, did you have to go to rehab to kick it? I went to rehab. It was a it was an ongoing process I went to a veterans rehab inpatient for 58 days and the program lasted from months to Think supposedly six months to nine months And they they kicked me out after why I wasn't doing what I supposed to be But I learned something there. What did you learn? I Had a beautiful woman by the name of currently the weather spoon they give you all this information. She told me, you know what? Pick what you can use and the rest of that shit No, I don't ain't keep stepping and I did so what did you use to help you? kick that Well, I always knew that my mother didn't raise me to me. No dope thing. Mm-hmm and I knew Then this was just a phase I was going through and then I went to jail. I Had been weaning myself off and then when I went to jail. I stayed jail seven months On a 20 count secret indictment. So that helps you kick it. Yeah, after I I didn't have any withdrawal You didn't have any I've never met nobody who's never had withdraws like everybody. I thought you always have withdraws Maybe you do but I have been weaning myself weaning yourself off. Okay, got it and after I got out. That's like wow The physical that's the easy part. Mm-hmm. Here's the mental Because I heard somebody I've met someone who but this is I think they were on crack though But they kicked it but they said it's a hard thing every day because you walk in passage like you can smell it and It it just it messes with them every day, but every day they got to tell themselves. No, I'm not doing it Drugs were easy for me. Okay. Once I stopped. I relapsed once But I had had enough when you get enough you just because of depression. Why did you relapse? I started getting money again pocketfuls of money and Thinking I can handle it. Mm-hmm I'm on just new a little and I'm not going to let myself Get back to where I was and that's just People feel like because I know even younger kids nowadays I'm not gonna say that they're on Heroin or crack or anything like that. But because nowadays we've been weed is a drug anything that all to your every day Thinking and they feel like okay. I can function Regular on any sort of drugs. Do you believe that to be true? Taking any sort of drug Well Personally just me. I don't consider marijuana a drug you know This is something the Lord hath made mm-hmm. You ain't got to do nothing to it and so I know people that smoke weed every day and they function perfectly well Yeah, got it Wow We y'all y'all you trying to figure out what that we do. I'm just asking well It's not bad if a person is Able to maintain and not see mentally a lot of people can't maintain with or without the dang drugs And they get a little something on it Get beyond buying and can they get buying and can losing because it was a loser before they started cuz they won't change The way they do things, you know what I mean the hardest drug for me to overcome Nicotine Wow freely I had to get hypnotized does that work That's $35. I've ever spent in my life. I tried to get somebody hypnotize me once it didn't work I did I went to 22 hours, I think went to a hour Holiday and we went in How long did it take? 15 minutes and you were hypnotized the session lasts for two hours and you talk and you go through all of this and He says, okay, I'm gonna put you in a trance And I'm like, yeah, right? So I listen to what he said You know your eyes will become I couldn't open them Wow, so After what are you talking to yourself in your head at this time? I'm listening to what he said my girlfriend A woman at the time she went with me. She was doing it because I was doing it And she almost fell out to chair next to me. I didn't see it, but the guy told me he's gonna stop anyway We went through it. He said I'm gonna count to three When you wake up everything in your life will be the same except you will not smoke one two three You never had a urge to smoke so one out to dinner that night and After dinner After you eat you get that urge to smoke afterwards, right? Never got it. I was like wow And that was in 1992 That's be y'all smokers needs to go try that. Okay, okay, can I tell people here? But just make more if you want to because my woman now man After a while, she was like, I'm just smoking at work and then I'm just smoking the car and away from home. So it didn't work on her No, and I'm gonna smoke out in the patio and then in the hallway then just in the bathroom But see she didn't want to quit. She's just doing it cuz I did all right Yeah, sweet Melanie. So I wonder I wonder why it worked on her I mean are you and then work on one because so you have to want it for it to work on it to work Got it. Wow so you at some point You become a guy who is a man who knows how to deal with women cry quite well I Seen the pictures in the book. Okay When did you get into pimping? well To be honest, I read the book iceberg slam back in the ice. He told us the same thing didn't he mm-hmm and When I read that book, I knew this is this is me this is me and I did both the nab them and you know Turned out a One of my high school sweethearts turned out. Yeah Do you use like I'm gonna go and try it on her first? Yeah. No, she wanted to make money. So But there are other ways to make money she's in high school. I was out but go get a job Chrysler's General Motors and for all of my why before 90 days, I wasn't built for the factory I wouldn't go to work. I got it. Yeah, but you like this Yeah, it was that it was my life. Yes. Mm-hmm. Wow. So When you got into it was how was the like how was it was it illegal back during that time like to where they was Because this ain't nothing new this been going on since the beginning of time So what was the what was the because now they they got all kind of stuff. They label it as right? What's the most popular and they know? Human trafficking that's the way they name it and nothing changes and you could detest it is because you older than me and you Been you on why they label it human trafficking. You're not taking them out of state me cause mm-hmm it's a way mm-hmm Or it's a society to lock Man up. Yeah I just was trying to understand like what was the what was the process of charging you during that time? What did they consider prostitution? Probably or how would they word it? How would they incriminate you like I said? I had a 20 count secret enlightenment five different women 20 20 counts. Yeah five different women and And the charges were pandering that's what they labeled it as and was it a serious thing at that point? To where you felt like you might be going down on you know because back in the day You needed two people to cooperate each other and Even the women that they charged me when they weren't mad at me or anything They had a secret grand jury nobody knew about and every woman that called a prostitution case had to go in front of this grand jury and One of the first names either mouth was do you know? Scooby-Doo was my partner and me delicious. Do you know delicious? Scooby-Doo and delicious, right? and If they said yes, then they quizzed them more You know one girl they said I sold her with a glass and She came to jail to see me. She died in Detroit. She came to jail to see me And I was like What is this about a glass? She said, I don't know. What didn't people talk about? She said Adam and the chair a Dog chain or a golf club. I wouldn't understand but we didn't know what kind of glass we're talking about So she said well what you want me to do today get ghost And that's what she did. She never signed any paper. None of them may never signed any papers against me And when it came down to it And the case fell apart All of them well all 20 okay all 20 counts. Yeah one one one one of them was for rape I mean we're great. They try to do a rape charge. Yes. How did how was a trumpinetta? Well, here's the thing the year before that I Had a woman and I met her in a bar and She got with me put her to work and after a couple months she left and So I was I had gone back to college and I was walking down the street and I saw A police car. Well, I saw on my car. I said them look like police Wonder who they're going to get. Yes. Well, they came straight to me you Arrested me put me in the back of the car and we're going down Florida Avenue remake a left Downtown as you make it right and I'm wondering where they're taking me to and they're taking me to a juvenile facility And I'm what is going on they tell me this girl Was a juvenile and I'm trying to tell them that I know I'll deal with you when I was I don't have any You know some man do I don't that's the no-no That's when nobody's kids and I told them and told them and told them and I had to spend money get my woman along because they charged her to How old was the juvenile they did was trying to say that you had raped oh she was 19 19 so But it's a 19 a Jew I thought it was 18 and under they were saying she was 16 Oh, they were saying she was 16. Yes, and I was trying to tell them that woman is not no 16 But anyway had to go to court I had to get a lawyer I got my woman a lawyer and we get in there and They dropped the charge. Hmm. Yeah, the reason they dropped the charge. They found out She was no juvenile. Wow. So that same case the next year They left off the statutory rape and just charged me We're right. We're right You know if it was right, it would have been the rape from the Guinea up. It wasn't it was But I ended up being there. So you be 20 counts. Yeah, and once we're on a secret indictment on a secret indictment So every girl never signed no papers none of that and none of them were mad at me None of them was mad at you matter of fact one girl was on the I was in the third floor at the jail And she was on the second floor and we would send kites. Okay, she would put money in my account So how long what like like when you had these girls, how many girls did you have up to at one time? To be honest, I don't know maybe Five or six five or six you they all stay in the same house with you. No, where did they live? Had different houses. I had Apartment I had condos. I had houses Wow, so and During this time, when did you get shot was this later on or during that time? Yeah, we're getting ready. So you went way. Oh, it's way on down After that I got shot in 19 after the jail like I spent seven months in jail and My mother always listen to your mama. She would tell me things and if I didn't listen I End up regretting it She told me to leave town Go back to Michigan. So I did and I got into it with a friend of mine My his woman Was was this just a this a relationship now. It's got nothing to do with pimp it Nothing at all nothing and you didn't took your home boys gal. No Well, why would why why would you get mad at you about it? Cuz I hit her and I hit him side of head. Why? with a Boomstick you hit her with a broomstick Boomstick over her nose. Why broke her nose. No, I broke the broomstick. He broke the broomstick Well, she had a knife. What's your knife? Yeah, I get it and I know That she would use it So I just went upstairs and we were living together You know her and him yes, but he she was coming after you with a butcher knife. Yeah, why? well The week before that She was doing sure. Well, he had two women. Mm-hmm and the one Me and her was cool, but the other girl Me and her wasn't that cool. No, wait a minute. You said it. Well, they both stand there No, so the one that wasn't staying there is the one that wasn't cool with you No, she was the one that was there was okay my mother Told me I couldn't burn no incense in her house. Okay, and I Said why she said cuz I know you smoking that shit and you're not gonna smoke it in my house So I told my partner. He said well, hey man, I got an extra bedroom. You can have it. Okay, so okay cool Well, then like I said his other woman. She She just Didn't like you right so one night Friday night We sitting around having some drinks and I tell him and he said Why don't you like him? and she said because You didn't ask me if he could live here if he could live here. This is in my name and Proud to say well, hey, it might be in your name, but this is my joint He's welcome here. Okay, so I go upstairs to the bathroom. I come back down and She has taken a drink and poured it out in the sink And I tell him man see that this one I'm talking about when I said that I'm sitting down She leaps over the coffee table and she got long for it. She's trying to stretch me up and everything so I can't stay here. I left so Some days went by and I moved in with a friend of mine and I could see my old apartment and I Went over I made sure there was nobody there. I had a key. I went in to get my stuff And I'm moving out So I'm talking to a friend of mine and she comes through the door and I'm watching her she goes into the kitchen and gets a you know, butch a knife out the door Said you know, I tell my buddies a man, you know, I had enough of this. I'm gonna write a whoop ass So I went upstairs and got this boom handle and I came back downstairs and I whacked her and head with it across her face and She went through when did you hit me for and then I moved her and there was the butcher knife for that butcher knife so then she ran upstairs and Started barricading herself In her bedroom my bedroom is across from theirs. It's probably calling the police Uh, I know Phones like that you act like this 19 Nobody got no damn phones. You got to pull that line You got to get the rotary dial phone that was stuck to the wall sometime You gotta drag that through the house. This a different time. You did the time you think you got a cell phone now Yeah, no, she this is a party line or Private line y'all got a phone on the wall. Yeah, two phones two phones on the wall No, one one in the kitchen one in the living room, but you got to drag that line. How far would that line go? See what I'm saying can go in the room with it. So I heard her, you know moving furniture and everything and I didn't care I grabbed all my stuff up put it in a sheet and I left out there like a hobo with my clothes and stuff on my back and Contacted him and trying to contact him. We didn't look up. So the next week Friday night Me and my partner that I had and moved in with We going to the liquor store And we gonna get some liquor so I come out the liquor store and I see his car at this bar And I said I'm gonna go in and talk to my man. He's the man. They're crazy. They're going there I got this but me my man ain't grown up together. We had we grew up together We lived in the same house. Yeah, but you don't need his old lady in the nose Yeah, but now We had grown up together Until the fourth grade we lived in a four-family flat Fourth grade he moved two weeks later. I moved down the street from where he had moved to We stayed together until he went in the army and went to Vietnam when we were 17 So when I say we had like brothers like mothers And I went into the bar and he was shooting pool and I said hey Shoot which he told me I'm shooting by myself. Okay, so I waited the way that he finished the game So I'm leaning up against the proof table. I'm totally I don't have my guard up. This is my dog And he asked me what happened I told him he said well, yeah, I understand that he said But why did you try to break into my bedroom door? Oh, she added extra Unmean those to me she had barricaded the door and then jumped out the window dang She's scared she went in for a life You get hit with a broomstick you do some things when you get across your day That didn't happen I wouldn't do that. He wasn't mad about me He was mad about me because I tried to break into his bedroom, right? So I took my eye off him. He swung at me and missed And I said let me get out of here. So I'm having a drink it have drunk and I ran out and he chased me out the bar And we got outside he grabbed me and spun me around And reflexes kicked in and I stabbed him Damn stab him and so you stabbed him first boom wait when he spun me around My reflexes kicked in and I had a knife and I stabbed him And that's when he pulled out his 25 they can hit you with the 25 I shot you right in the house out you in the head where you shoot that show me right here Shouts in your job, right? He came out Came out right here and what it broke the sea and broke the skull They broke the skull in the back, but it didn't have enough strength to break the skin so they took me to the hospital and I Want them to take the bullet out first of all I wake up and I'm looking at the stars. I'm like what the hell mm-hmm and I Was unconscious wasn't for that long Mm-hmm, and I feel my face and I take my hand away and there's a drop just a drop of blood And I'm like in the bullet, you know, I grazed you raise me And I run across the street to this girl that I had turned out Banged on her door and she said who is it and I'm hollering my name Because you didn't realize your voice. It was messed up right couldn't hear you couldn't hear so she went over the door So I laid down and then she had artificial turf on her grass for the grass on her Porch mm-hmm, so I laid there on the artificial grass and then some people came up and Knocked on the door and stepped over me. Mm-hmm And I dropped and stepped on me one and I was like I get I'm beat on the door They won't let me in so that I run down the street and I knock on another door and break the window And the woman came downstairs with shotgun and her daughter said mom that's indeed don't shoot and so I Could hear amulets is around they call it came and picked me up and took me to the hospital He was in one one room and I was in the other And it's so funny. I had to go to the bathroom and it wouldn't let me go Wouldn't let me go. I'm saying yeah, because he was right there. No, no Everybody that came in it's like hey this guy's got a bullet in his head come and feel it And I'm like what take it out. Listen. No, we're not gonna take it out. So it's still there. Oh, no they said we're gonna send you to Detroit and Have them do it shock tommy unit Mm-hmm, and it took them about an hour to come and get me you could have driven in the car You know, we're waiting on the helicopter. Don't you want to ride in the helicopter? Like maybe I didn't know if I never seen on the helicopter and they're loud and noisy they stink So they wouldn't let me go to the bathroom. So I'm pissed there. I pissed all over everything. Mm-hmm So finally the helicopter comes and the pilot says to me. They wanted to put a catheter in Like what's that? So no, please please please So I tell the pilot listen here man. I promise you I'm not being on my He said you promise I said yeah Okay got on there and They took me to the hospital and took it out. I spent on 20 22 days in the hospital Do you still have that bullet? Did they give you the money? No, they didn't give it to me There's people be keeping bullets as souvenirs. Yeah, I've kept a few for my buddies. Have you seen have you seen that man again? Yes matter of fact, we are like I said, it was so y'all reconciling y'all friends again Yeah, I covered all that in the book. Yeah, because my my daddy came to my mom and him was divorced and my daddy came to town and I had been home and You ready I knew what he was talking about So we went down his mother's house. He was him and a girl split up. He stayed with his mother and I'm one hand and mama hugged me and everything talked about us and then he came downstairs and my dad said you Trying to kill each other and we said, yeah, and that was it Wow So how was the conversations after that doctor Amanda shot you in the head? You don't stab him in his chest Yeah How was the conversation as a friend after you after all this happens? Well, you know what? We didn't we didn't we didn't get together that much and I left town shortly after that Yeah, but at least y'all did did reconcile your differences Yeah, and then I used to come back to town all the time and a woman my aunt called That he called that call Came to me and said, you know what? She said he thinks that you still Want to do something to him and she told him He's not like that and he listened to her and Like I said to this day we Pulled my kids call him uncle. Wow. His kids call me uncle. Wow That's right. He should have never it should have never happened But all over a woman every time yeah every time but do you think that if you didn't stab him? He wouldn't have shot you. Yeah, but like you you probably well, I don't know. I can't say that Like I say I was had been drinking Then I bet I did Survival mode Let's talk about this assault on the police officer. Oh, yeah I Had just got a new a new place down near on 13th and mass while the track is on 14th Street and I Wasn't feeling well, so instead of going home. I went to This other spot Well, I'm in the bed and the girl didn't know I was there. She bought a date to the joint and She saw me in the bed, so she closed the door. She's gonna Take the date out and living on why it was the police So they came and tell me about you know for what? Well, you're under what am I under arrest for you know So they can't tell me what I'm under arrest because So and these are vice police they know me and I know them and So I'm sitting on the bed in my pajamas and Two big cups walking one black and one white And I'm talking to these guys that I know and this guy all off and slapped me and again Instincts kicked in and I punched him and Then all of them died. Well, I of course You fold it up. Yeah, they was punching him more names So they gave me a soft on the police officer for that and I end up meeting it. You end up beating that too. You know all these cases. I never had a trial Okay, not one every time That's and that's something else because at the end of the day Your reputation exceeded you. So how was it like you did you not just stay in the same neighborhood? Because if you couldn't stay with all these felonies with all these assault charges all this stuff you was doing you had a reputation Yes, well, yeah, I understand I was in DC, but I also I was on the East Coast That's why I didn't like California you go 500 miles from say San Francisco He had Bakersfield Salinas, but you're still in the same legal jurisdiction but you go From DC I could go I could hit Baltimore Atlantic City my favorite New York City Philadelphia and Boston All within 500 miles each other. So I was up and down the right The West Coast is the left coast East Coast is the right coast. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I agree with you I got you. Let me let me ask you this man. You had a bunch of cars when I looked through the book What's your what's the one of the favorite cars that you own? car on 57 Fleetwood Cadillac Yeah, that's a big body. Yeah me. Yeah, I had that I got rid of it in 2014 Wow, so you had that many years. Yeah, how much did it go for? The city took it. Oh the city took it. Yeah, you know, I Just gave it away. Yeah, that's what happened Something was wrong with it and I didn't have the money to fix that so I had I had horses so I took it out where I kept my horses at and parked it and man We's grew up all up under and everything so finally I Get enough money to fix it and I bring it home. I got it parked and the city said it was a Pleasant no, I'm right. Oh Right and took it and told me I had to give a thousand dollars Be like keep and you still can't park it in the back. Yeah And I wasn't worth the problem. No, and I just bought a boat. Oh, you just bought a boat You know, I'll spend a thousand dollars I kept the car from I think 1990 2014 Wow So when you look back man when you look at the way to you know, the game is the day You know, I know you've been out the game for a long time But just seeing how they do on the internet The internet game versus the way it used to be what what do you think is the biggest difference? well even though I was in DC the game was small enough to Somebody knew you if you didn't know somebody cross-country you weren't you weren't anybody and You want By your reputation What might your reputation wow and here these people they just Pick up a name and whoop whoop dee whoop and I'm so-and-so and so-and-so and Ain't got a clue. Well, tell us about yeah I was gonna say tell me about the book that you wrote Dillinger and a young blood. I wrote that book second Back in the day I'm talking to the 30s. Mmm My family owned a rooming house on one side apartments and on the other side Was the main house and It was an after-hours and I Wouldn't spend some quite a bit and I never could figure out what that smell was in the house And then when I finally became old enough to go into a bar That was the smell I was smelling it's my it smelled like a bar and My grandmother and my great aunt they owned that and they ran it Black people could not live and stay in hotels. Mm-hmm. So when you went to a city You would find out where the rooming houses were and that's where you would go my family owned it and This guy Herbert young blood hadn't been there to get alcohol during prohibition Prohibition people were making math or gin, but we live so close to Canada and hop in the boat and you can be in Canada and get you to real stuff. Mm-hmm. So when they Don't have the jail That's where they had it after they robbed a couple of banks. Hmm. Well, I was a kid I had a tricycle and Mother genie is my cousin, but because of my age different. He was my uncle genie I used to ride my tricycle in the back of his limousine In the back of his limousine back in his limousine and it was a big hump You know, he had a big hump on the floor back in the day And I would ride from the door to that hump hit that hump and he would push me back I would ride me around the neighborhood Wow, and we used to hear the stories and I'm out this big-time gangster that was killed there and I was fascinated by it You know and this gangster because I heard you told the story Is that the same one we see in the movies and we read about well John Dillinger, right? Is that the same one? Yes. He was the first Western no, no, he was the first public enemy number one so named by J. Edgar Hoover, right he Was in Tucson, Arizona and his hotel Room call on fire while he was gone and they gave firemen 50 bucks to go in and get their luggage Which was all the guns? Well, the police put two and two together found out it was John Dillinger and put him on a plane by the plane back to Illinois Excuse me Indiana To face charges for bank robbery And Mr. Herbert Youngblood was a black man that Had a thing with a small night. He was a whittler and he was in jail for murder now the first time he had been a prison he had been a prison for Securities fraud There's only one known picture of him. I think I showed that If you didn't know he was his mugshot, he was in a three-piece suit Yeah, and he really didn't do what they say to anybody went to prison for two years and he got out Prohibition is over and he was gamma. He was a gambler account cards And he went to a card game. He was the only black guy there and caught him cheating and and He attempted to leave and they wanted to strip him. Oh, he told him, you know, you can have the money on the table but I'm not taking my clothes off and Guy produced a gun and he was quicker and shot killing now Normally it would be self-defense, but because the guy he shot was a fruit peddler white Italian And charged him with murder so he was in jail for murder and They just so happened to put John Dillinger in the same jail and John Dillinger saw him with a little pin knife Carving so he said, you know, can you carve me a gun? He said well, I could but it's not gonna fool anybody so he carved the gun and Dillinger put some shoe polish on it and in black and That's what they stuck into a guard side and he thought it was a real thing So he opened up and they got machine guns and everything escaped from jail and Went to Idaho arrived at bank a couple days later. They arrived at another bank in Iowa and And I think I think it was 1.6 million in today's money Then they doubled back to Chicago or from Chicago they Had it to Michigan why Wow, and you can find all that in this book. Yes. Yeah, but they like I said, oh they they they Somebody told that they were in town police didn't believe it. They didn't send enough people out and the undershore of Saw the guy in the store part and Grabbed a 38 out of his waistband and Dude went to the small of his back with a 45 and Shot the undershore and killed him. Hmm. And then there was a big shootout and Talk is that my uncle genie shot him in the back now. I had to tell you about my uncle genie. Yeah, he was smooth My uncle genie had blue eyes straight hair white Everywhere except in this little town because everybody knew You wasn't white. Yeah, but anywhere else. He was he was white and his parents was both black or no No, I'm gonna picture. I've sent the email to you. Yeah Yeah, his mother was very life-complicated his father was white. Okay. Yeah, and They did it for the money I asked my aunt years later, how much money was found right? And she said Of course, that's the quickest way and I'm a genius and he had to leave town He left town Because Dillinger was a popular exact guy And he was afraid for his life for his life and he left in the 30s And he didn't come back until the 50s. Like I said, I was riding my bike in the back of his limo I wouldn't came back at all. Well, he figured it won over. Dillinger was dead or so he thought, you know and he used to walk around the neighborhood with cowboy hats on and denim jackets and a Couple of 44s on his waist. Mm-hmm. Like in the movies. Yeah, like cowboys. Wow But they were replicas for real. Mm-hmm. What he would do is he would switch them out for the real thing So I'm scared. Yeah, you never know But somebody might catch you that day when you have that replica on. Yeah. Well, hey, I can say he was down in the hood so Wow, I just looking at all those pictures, man, your style changed so much over the years, man You didn't you didn't change styles or you have to cause of the times everything must change everything But how easy work was it for you to adopt to the change? It was hard Yeah, you know, I Did the math I went from I had been all over the United States a West coast dog me I said get no money after plus I still had a condo that was paying rent for and Came back and Ended up in Toronto. Mm-hmm. And I caught a case in Toronto and Finally after I beat that case I had two two sons I had two different women and They were at my mother's and no I had one with me I had the baby with me. Okay, and my other son He was with my mother and she told me I'm not gonna raise your children. Mm-hmm And I thought about it. I had done everything that I wanted to do except be filthy rich Mm-hmm. And anything that I could possibly do I would be repeating myself. So you know what I Got out the game So that's the reason why you got out the game. Yeah, I was tired Mm-hmm. So I would consider you a lady's man because all the things that you've been through and so forth I if I I would love for you to describe What would be a Perfect date with you Perfect date with me. Yeah. What at what's time watch time? Okay, tell me two times tell me a perfect date when you were probably in your say 30s God, I'm not gonna say 20s and a perfect date now. Okay perfect day in my 30s I Didn't date mm-hmm. I had woman women So you don't even take working woman on dates. Oh, yeah, we would go we would go out sometimes we would go out Alone sometimes we would go out as a family. I was wondering I was like, man, they'd like to date, too Okay, now a perfect date Netflix Man, I just I like to ask these questions like which one was the best You know the best the most loyal girl that you ever had for us when you had them working on that track Loyal that wasn't gonna run off and I had I've had one for seven years This was the one. No, she won the one but she stayed with me for seven years. She was the one Yeah, seven years seven years is a long stretch. Yeah, and nobody peeled you for she stayed eventually. She left. Yeah She but you kept along as you could. Yeah Do do pimps ever fall in love with their every home I ever had I was in love with In love with them, that's right. Every hole you ever Explain that to me explain the love and extent of love Well, there's different levels. Mm-hmm. Well for woman love me enough to give me some money. I love her back Just that simple. Would you have ever married one? Yeah, I did marry matter of fact. I married a home. You did I don't just a married. Well, I don't story six days You say married to the over six days six days Listen, I'll tell you why I married her My younger brother was married All my partners was married. You just had to feed my You know And why did you choose her over all the other holes you had? Well at the time She was she was headed to the army when I caught her And she's supposed to go into the army on money And uh, and you recruited her she said, yeah, she said if you can keep me till money Uh, I'll stay with you So She called the case I think sorry. I didn't get her in jail until Monday Shake Man Well, I'll tell you what man the the ladies man the book is here Dillinger young bloods wooden gun Hey, man. Listen man. Thank you so much for coming on the show man. What's the website? How can people get this book? How can they get either one of these books? That's on amazon dot com Oh, that was on just a ladies man. It's there And ladies the s is a dollar sign, right? Yeah. No, no, I just oh you just did that for the book I was just checking. Yeah. Well, man. Thank you for coming on the show man. Say man. Listen. We love you Nothing, but a tag and I come back because you know, it's a whole You got a lot of stories You can come back every time. Here's the thing You know, I was talking with ken and mentioned something about buying pussy and I tell it to you. Yeah, I bought some pussy Yeah, yeah, I'm vietnam. I couldn't speak the language. I didn't have no girlfriend. Yeah, I bought something Did that make you feel bad of anyone? Hell no, it did why? Because most of the time they say pimps don't you know, you're not tracking I was a marine in vietnam facing death every day. Why don't I care about where the motherfucker's lying? So you had about that cool gel over there. Everybody was buying it Everybody was because I've met some other Ex-military. I remember this guy. He has aged orange. He hadn't gotten that But he even used to even after military He would take frequent trips to taiwan. Yeah all the time. We call them skibby runs Yeah, we would go they would pick us up in the morning at flight deck and would fly us to yuban yuban, thailand and um top us off And we Could do whatever we want as long as we were back at the flight deck by six o'clock And she because he said that's the cheapest you could get but it was good I was it was it was it was a release How many how many of military people probably left babies over there? Who knows? I wonder sometimes Whether or not I be you know a few a few of the guys Not marines, but I knew a few guys in the army that married women From over the back. Okay. Yeah, because those type of women from over there. They say that are more submissive Yeah So that's the reason why they would do that Is that true? Well, they are submissive. Yeah, why they would do it Man every woman every woman out there ain't whole and she Some of you got some good women over there and where taiwan Thailand, you got some good women over there too. Yeah, good women everywhere. That's right. Yeah, everybody everybody whole ain't going That is you know, I'm saying check it man. Hey, man It's been another great segment of boss talk one-on-one. What a boss is thought and we out