 It's time for a tech talk number 20 math. I thought you'd say you don't like math. I don't like math I'm better at it than I used to be but you know Maybe that's not the thing to tell people if you're a technician Five feet of cable. Yeah, that would know it's dead reckoning. It's like, you know line of sight Anyway, we got lots of cool stuff on tech talk tonight. We're gonna talk about more stuff about Catalina It's good more warnings. Okay, that's cool And we'd love your questions to send them into the guys at the OBS dot TV or in the chat room if you're watching us live right now so we can answer that question and Totally amaze you with our brilliance when it comes to home voiceover studio or just make up something really convincing Or something like that. Anyway, tech talk coming up right now on voiceover body shop From the outer reaches they came Bearing the knowledge of what it takes to properly record your voice over audio and Together from the center of the VO universe. They bring it to you now George Wittem the engineer to the VO stars of Virginia Tech grad with the skills to build set up and maintain The professional video studios of the biggest names in VO today and you Dan Leonard the voiceover home studio master professional voice talent with the knowledge and experience to help you create a professional sounding home VO studio and Each week they allow you into their world making the complex simple Debunking the myths of what it takes to create great sounding audio Answering your questions showing you the latest and greatest in VO tech and having a dandy time doing it Welcome to voiceover body shop tech talk voiceover body shop tech talk is brought to you by voiceover essentials calm home of Harlan Hogan signature products Source elements remote studio connections for everyone voice actor websites calm where your VO website isn't a pain in the butt VO heroes calm become a hero to your clients with award-winning voiceover training J. Michael Collins demos when Quality matters and voiceover extra your daily resource for VO success And now live to drive from their super secret clubhouse and studio in Sherman Oaks, California Here are the guys Hey, it's time to do the favorite thing we do because I'm Dan Leonard I'm George Wittem and this is voiceover body shop or VO B. S. Tech talk You guys demand it so we give it to you every other week and we love doing it and It's amazing. I mean we keep talking about it. We've been doing this for eight and a half years And we haven't run out of things to talk about no never ends. That's the beauty of tech I know it's always new stuff. It's always new stuff. That was old stuff You were at Volvo con last week. Yeah, what did anything pop up on your radar there by chance I know it's not a tech convention. But did you see anything? Well, there was there anything I mean, there was lots of stuff about, you know, voiceover performance and things like that and business and using technology in your business Like how people show and tell stuff sometimes. Oh, they do they do, you know There was some stuff on how to organize your computer. That's usually important. Yeah Oh man, how to organize your life You know, and I think that's one of the good things about you know about wovo and wovo con is we talk about lifestyle because voiceover is a lifestyle, you know We tend to be alone by ourselves in these little boxes a lot of time Yeah, and it's good to get out and talk to other people and how do they deal with with these issues So, uh, that was that was really good So, uh, since it's time for tech talk, it's time for george's tech update and boy, you got a pile of stuff here So never takes long delve into it. Talk about mr. Wood. Yeah, that's for sure Um, well, I'll just get it right out of the way right out of the gate and still don't install catalina Um, I'll keep saying it until people stop asking. Well, the computer keeps asking me You got it. I'm like Kurt said no Type a little google search in if you're not afraid of doing some code Which literally is copy pasting one line do a little google search for How do I get my mac to stop asking me to upgrade to catalina? And there's actually some you can type into what's called terminal And it will stop nagging you. Oh, okay, which the nagging maybe isn't the worst thing The accidentally installing it when you mean to is the problem when you turn it on tomorrow Oh, how many times have you done that on your phone? Right? You're like, no, no, no ignore tomorrow tomorrow crap, I just did in the middle of xyz event So anyway, watch out for it Another reason why it's not good to have right now is Um, it does not support 32 bit apps Which arguably the majority of what you're going to be doing or running is probably not 32 bit But if you got some old apps, maybe you're running quickbooks 2010 and you just never bothered to upgrade You're going to break that immediately when you install or upgrade to catalina And probably a bunch of other stuff too. So that's just another reason to be careful Um, if you do have to buy a mac and you're going to go buy a brand new mac from apple It's probably going to have catalina on it. So if that freaks you out, um, either a wait three or four months or if that's not realistic Um, buy one from like a third party retailer that keep them in stock on the shelf They'll have some stuff that's been sitting there for a few months. It's going to have mojave Um, you can also buy them refurbished or used even which I recommend used and refurb all the time Save a lot of money a lot of money the apple refurb store You're buying a mac with a full warranty apple care the whole thing For a year and it's as new right and you can still upgrade it a little bit too. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So I recommend that Just double check make sure You're not getting surprised with an os that may not run everything you you have to use um Thanks to paul strict worda who has the the blog called nether voice um He found uh, or was approached one or the other by this new company. That's not new It's just a new name. That's new to us and it's called austrian audio And what austrian austrian audio is is actually The core crew from akg The famous microphone company great austrian microphone company. Yeah, I don't know what k and what's akg stand for austrian capsule Anyway akg is now austrian audio Because akg got bought they were part of harman harman got bought by samsung samsung samsung's like oh, we don't need to develop Beautiful large diaphragm condenser mics. Bye. Bye. So they're like fine. We'll make them somewhere else and that's what they did He reviewed the oc 18 microphone from them On his blog if you want to go read about it and geek out with him You can hear sound samples At nether voice his blog or you can go to nethervoice.com and find it there Um after reading about that I did a little more searching found out about their Their oc 818 microphone a favorite of the in the valley here. Everybody wants an 818 man in the valley um The 818 microphone is an interesting trick is that it's a dual capsule mic Which in voice over we often say not necessary Why do you need anything more than a just a standard cardioid? but uh cool trick uh party trick of this microphone is The um two capsules are controlled independently and it's done through You control it through bluetooth So you install the lap on your phone and you can set the polar pattern of the microphone And how many patterns does it have I think it's infinite Like you can control exactly the pattern of the mic It does a lot of interesting things that normally you'd have to buy more hardware You'd have to have a more elaborate system So you can plug this mic into a normal system and and control all this stuff again a little on the geek side But their mics are still truly made in austria And they're very competitive or like they're kind of right in line with that $500 a thousand pricing range that you'd expect You know for a real good pro pro mic right and any mic in that price range is going to be Just fine for you. You're not going to go wrong. Definitely recommend delving deep real deep with uh on the blog From paul and read about because he he has some good sound samples now. You've had an interesting stuff go on with some Interfaces this week. I know we talk about the apollo a lot because it's everybody Slick and I haven't I've talked about it a lot does a lot of stuff The problem with the universal audio apollo is um, they had a real hard time getting the thunderbolt protocol To be properly supported on windows systems Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't so then they launched a usb version Which does work on windows systems mostly um The problem is is that their driver support on windows on the windows side isn't so hot uh one of my voice over clients She unfortunately went down the rabbit hole with this whole thing started out with the apollo Had a lot of bugs and a lot of issues with her apollo on usb on windows 10 It was very frustrating Then she swapped it for an rme baby face About the same price pretty high-end piece of kit Was overwhelmed with the complexity of it. I mean the console that it has is Mind blowing to learn how to use it first. Well, yeah, why bother with some of the sophisticated stuff If you don't know how to use it complicated It's the quality of the unit is undeniably good rme has always been good But so complicated and therefore she was having trouble with that as well and in the end I said, you know what? Just go get a steinberg ur 22 They're way less expensive But the quality you're not going to suffer the quality won't suffer That in any noticeable way. Yeah for a quarter of the price. She went and got a steinberg ur 22 Maybe an eighth. What does it work out to it's it's a huge much less expensive And she was kind of blown away if she's like You mean this just works and when I do this and I turn that knob then I can hear myself or now I can't or Like I just that's it like that's I'm like, yes, that's it And then the one little trick it has of its sleeve that I always tell people about is it has loop back It's the only thing that it doesn't have a physical button on it It's in the driver And it did catch her up because for whatever reason it was checked by default So she was doing a skype session recording an audition So the caller is being recorded That's great if you're recording in a podcast interview, right? Not good if you're just being directed and you don't want to record the other person That caught her off guard. But so watch out for that. But yes, it does have loop back Which is pretty awesome But just by checking a box Wow works on mac and on windows Yeah, but you have to be savvy to make sure you learn how to run through all these menus and stuff And you learn to do that this thing literally has one setting window and in there is a checkbox loop back That's it. Go for it. It's simple. I love it. So it's the hardware is fantastic Um, I have yet to be let down by the Steinberg product The failure rate has been extremely low and I've just been really happy as opposed to some other models Which we're hearing lots of problems from everything from the from the focus right all the way up to universal Failure rates are a little bit higher and just anecdotally. I don't have proof to say that one's better than another But I'll tell you Steinberg's been holding up So kind of the takeaway really is is is avoiding usb The apollo for windows the drivers aren't quite up to to they're not quite up to date There's problems with chrome. So if you're using ipd tl or source connect now You can have trouble. It's it's it's buggy So that gets me to another thing drivers Um You know the ongoing mac versus windows debate. We will never die never and i'm never i'm never I'm never gonna avoid it. I'm always gonna attack it head on because I support both users and I support them a lot And so what I tell people is is one of the things that sets them apart dramatically is how simple The audio hardware setup is on the mac Um, there is a sound driver that so when you go into Twisted wave or audition it's going to show you Core audio that's the name and then it's going to show you what devices you have available So if you've got like a usb mic preamp or if you've got multiple things plugged in they all just show up under the list I know what that is built-in audio whatever it's it's just there And it's it's pretty it's very stable um It allows the the core audio driver system allows say audition and zoom to run side by side Sharing the same hardware and they don't step on each other and everything's happy pretty much all the time Um on the windows side of things You're not going to see a single driver. You're going to see a minimum two Usually three and the three that you see the most often are nme wasabi and azio So I thought take a few more minutes Talk about those things are man. Yeah, um, so I had an article I was going to reference against here It's actually from sweetwater.com So nme probably the most common is probably the one you've seen the most any windows system you ever open You're going to see an nme sound driver. Um, that's the microsoft multimedia environment. It's native to windows And it's the first audio driver made on windows in version 3.1 So it's an extremely old system Building sound cards. They all use it. Um, and most pc audio software supports it. It's the most widely supported If you plug in your usb device chances are it will just automatically Uh, if it doesn't require any more complicated console Um, it will just recognize it as an nme device and you're off to the races Um, the downside of it is You're your box. Let's say it's the steinberg. You are 22 And audition are not talking directly to each other. They're actually talking to each other through your windows control panel So an interpreter and yes. Yes. And the problem with that is Um, if windows decides to bring a gain up and down on a microphone Which can happen when you're running skype Or when you're running zoom, they have that little checkbox automatically adjust level Right, guess what the recording level in your software does the same thing it goes up and down I've seen it happen. Oh my god. It's insane. It's crazy making Um, so that's a reason to not use mme Now going down the list wasabi is the windows audio session api Um, this is newer technology employees methods for directly sending audio to the hardware's output called exclusive mode Um, let's see it. It allows for doldy and dts and coded surround Not too relevant to what we're doing at all. Um, this mode also will not allow other applications to use the hardware simultaneously another good reason to probably not use it because Chances are if you want to run zoom while you're in audition Or uh audacity or something you're not going to have they're not going to play that well together Lastly is azio azio gif gif Everybody knows azio seems to be the one that's it's like, oh, you need the azio driver. Yeah, azio So azio another another little, you know plug for steinberg Is actually a driver format invented by steinberg. So probably a reason they're so good at drivers Um, they've been around forever. Um It was designed to improve latency and channel count So you can have many inputs of audio from one device It allows the software to bypass windows audio and give you direct communication to the hardware So if you want the most bomb proof reliable way to connect your audio device to audition You want to use azio because there's no windows in between Not to worry about windows control panel messing with things changing settings stuff like that um, the only thing you got to look out for there is There is occasionally an issue where it does not share well with others. So once azio is given say once audition is given access to your hardware through azio It may not let zoom sure you share your hardware. Yeah, sometimes the order that you launch them matters launch audition Then launch zoom Pro tools same deal launch pro tools Then launch zoom we have found this to be a pretty repeatable thing on windows So these are just things to look out for and another reason why Generally on the max side of things. It just simplifies your life plug it in. It's So much easier. Um Does the sound quality change? No, can you run a lot of the same programs? Yes Is there a twisted wait for windows? No, will there ever be probably not? Well, there's the online version There's the online version and if he ever makes it as good as the desktop version Then maybe I could recommend it, but it's still pretty stripped down. Yeah, not that there's anything wrong with pcs No, I mean except they they're just not the best for audio. They're just yeah There's too many variables if you're a techie person you like customization You really like to control the environment. Yeah, pc makes a lot of sense Uh, but for everybody else creative out there that just wants an appliance that does their job It's you know mac. I think it's really a way to go Um Anyway, that's it for my little tech news update. Well, that's a definitely have some questions to get to I'm absolutely One of the things I wanted to talk about because you know, I was at wobo con last weekend And uh, aside from you know, my voice still not back from that I think it's probably somewhere between barstow and barker. Yeah or baker Barker baker baker barker. Yeah, um Is when you go to conferences or you Seek advice from people who are experts at recording audio Most of them have no idea what it is you're doing like I always warn people You know when you go to banjo and porium don't tell them You're trying to create a voiceover studio at home because they hear recording studio and Their frame of reference is generally the production of music singer songwriter mike and a guitar Right, etc. It's a strum. Okay. You know put the the mike on that that sort of thing right in a pristine audio in a Controlled environment like a studio in a sterile and neutral recording environment. They have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on Now granted if you're in your walking closet with a lot of down jackets and stuff like that Your sound may be actually better than their studio sometimes If I've heard it, you know, I mean, you know, I've heard studios here in LA where I've heard flushing toilets in the background Not a good thing um But they don't really understand the limitations Of most people who are trying to get into voiceover or are been in voiceover for a long time But now they're like, oh, I have to have a home studio Right. So, you know, these these are people who are always in other people's studios And you know, they're they're highly paid professionals and you know, you know, they don't have to do the engineering well now they do Yeah, and so A couple of things here one if you ask the engineer and this goes, you know, I mean, we've been talking about this for like 10 years If you ask the engineer, how do I build a home studio? He doesn't have a whole heck of a lot of interest in you taking his job away Right. So he is going to tell you how He does it. In other words, you're asking for the time. He's going to tell you how to build a watch Yeah, right And I I have I have seen these presentations before And I and I tell people don't talk over their heads. Be very careful on what you say Don't tell them about things that they will never have to know nor understand Plus it took you 10 15 years to learn how to do this. They're not going to learn it in a phone call Right, or in a, you know, well, you know, you got to use projoles. That's the industry standard Well, and then the question becomes which industry, you know, are you in the recording studio industry? Are you producing soundtracks for major, uh, hollywood films or for post? Yeah, exactly You know, these are these are all things that they do and there's a lot of post studios here in la But that's what they do right as voice actors. We're providing them One tiny little thing a mono File that has no background noise or minimal background noise and it's properly modulated and you're using your mic properly That's it essentially recording yourself with a tape And mailing them the tape right except we're doing the extremely modern version of that Right digit digitally recording it and sending it them over the internet right and that's the way I describe it Is like remember a cassette recorder, you know, it's record. Oh, that's right You had to press play two at the same time to record And and let it record. Yeah, right. Hey, oh, and then there's rewind and that's all it is This this guy here. He's a tape recorder. It's just it's not on tape. It's on some magnetic or You know flash storage flash storage and it and that's it's the same thing All it is is it's taking that information and turning it into ones and zeros that the computer can understand And turn it into the graphic representation that we see of the audio and a question and that we're going to answer after the break Actually talks about that exact topic. Exactly. Yeah So my advice and I'm sure you probably agree with me on most of this being an audio geeky guy Who really likes all this stuff? You and I have seen it I mean these guys try to talk over people's heads because they really don't understand The situation that many people are in and that they're not going to be doing multitracking They're not going to be You know doing these sorts of things you work with a lot of people who do promo work Right a handful of people. Yeah, it is and and you set you set the you know the You know the stacks for them and because they have to do it live Live and they and it's very quickly right and very short-term exactly and that 99.9 percent of the people in voiceover It's nothing to do with you. Yeah, you know now for audiobooks and things like that and some of the mastering and you know and for Certain auditions absolutely vital that you know, they had that type of assistance But to try and teach people how to do this without really telling them what it's supposed to sound like whistle whistle It's you know, it's not really fair and are they doing it deliberately or are they doing it? You know out of ignorance for really, you know, or they just want to show off of how much show off how much they know About recording. There's a reason why I got into what i'm doing There's a reason I do what I do for a living now because that is the case for most all engineers There's a few small exceptions, but in generally or a con exceptions exceptions There's a few out there, but generally that's the case in most cases and that's why I got into doing what I do Because there was not anybody doing that thing working with voice actors that On their level communicating on their level and they're not talking down to them or over their heads And just getting them the knowledge they need in a very concise way There was just nobody doing it and that's why I'm george the tech right and that's why I got into doing it and that's same for you Yeah, you and I started doing it on the same time getting pretty much insulting home studios and working with voice actors because It's just too much misinformation Yeah, and intimidation. Yeah, and the great that part about is we've been doing it for 10 15 years Yeah, really more like 15 years almost 15. Look at the experience that we've gotten From doing it specifically in this particular niche where everybody else is like guessing how to do it And we know how to adjust to it for different situations, but we know what We know what the sausage is supposed to taste like Right. We happen to know how to make it too. That's the funny thing. That's right, but nobody needs to see it Like This one here nobody needs to see it, but we're showing it to you anyway. There you go as bruce burles Booth and the hey, it's creative. It sounds good. Who cares? They don't need to see it. Yeah, you know anyway If you want to help with your home voiceover studio Clearly, we know what we're talking about and we'll be the first ones to tell you that Uh, but if you want to work with george, where do you go? You go to I'm over at george the.tech For those that like those short domains and I've got a whole list of services on there on a service menu I can also book me for live consulting on location at your site Consulting. Um, there's also do it yourself for self service Consulting where you send me files And I send stuff back like a sound check. All right, and dan does sound checks, but he uses a specimen cup over at homevoiceoverstudio.com Make sure you go over there and you know, there's lots of services we offer We advise we give you the best advice. We know how it's supposed to be and how it's supposed to get done And especially for you because every situation is a little bit different So you want the expertise to know how to make it work for you and not for some guy who's sitting in a You know a half million dollar studio hiring us is like a is a massive shortcut Incredible massive shortcut. You can google this stuff. You can read forums. You can ask all your peers You can consolidate all that data and come up with an answer which might take weeks months or years Or we can hire one of us for like an hour Absolutely like set. Yeah, and boy, we can accomplish a lot now. I'm sure can you know as many times I want I don't know what I'm doing a walk out. They're recording. Yeah. See you later. Give me a call if you need to have many more questions Uh, anyway, we'd love your questions that we've got a couple questions We want to tackle here, but you can still get them in the chat room And we will be happy to answer them here on voiceover body shop tech talk number 20 in case you're keeping track I know I am uh, and uh, we'll be right back After these un unbelievably important messages, so don't go away This is bill radner and you're enjoying voiceover body shop with dan lennard and george widham v obs dot tv Alrighty, you know our good friend harlan hogan has been out Sailing the coastline of main for the last nine days and had several political spots to record So with this trusty portabouth and new mic port pro 2l He tackled them in any reasonably quiet spot Including a large shower room The audio across the board was spectacular. 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I know and it's only gonna grow Is you're gonna come in here eventually there won't be any room for us. It'll all be radios You know, especially my 1942 zenith where i've got you know, the great thing about it Is i've got my my echo dot plugged into it and I can say, you know, you know Play some classical music or play, you know, benny goodman. Yeah Which sounds you sound so authentic through that old radio Absolutely because it's using the amplifier from the old radio and the old speaker Which is a like a a field coil speaker people a field coil They didn't know how to make magnets back then so they sent like they made an electromagnet right and complicated electronics But i've been getting into the fm radios The 1948 fm radios now those of you are real geek and in 48 if you were listening to fm, right? Yeah, but they were making these tabletop radios with with fm in them and it was it's like really cool Because anytime I turn it on and of course if once you attach a good antenna to it, which is really important with the radio Outcomes this music that has just a slightly different tone to it That is very different from the digital sound that we use today, which is what you're trying to achieve, you know Yeah, you might want some kind of warmth But Is that authentic? It's it's altering your voice a little bit. Anyway, it's really cool because you know, I put on a classical station And immediately my father is with me Very nostalgic. It's great. You know, it's really like a time machine and uh, and it's fun And and i'm learning how to do body work on these things Which is actually kind of cool. Did you actually see that they're speaking of nostalgic? Yeah, there is a now I think it might be a Kickstarter. I can't recall for a home record cutting lathe I think it's gonna be like a thousand or 1200 bucks. It's a desktop Unit you put your blank vinyl on and you can cut your own vinyl records Which is I mean, you know that used to be something you do not do at home Well, it used to be a big machine right you gave me one for my birthday Oh, yeah, I gave you and it makes a horrible sounding record. It's mine. But it's a proof of concept But it shows how it works. I got one for Ella. I have to build it yet But it's the Japanese the instructions are Japanese by the way But this thing is I don't know, you know the quality of what it cuts, but it's a you know, it makes a legit Vinyl cut record that you can master to yeah to any audio, you know those audio file gigs that are into vinyl Here check this one out. Oh, that sounds great. Yeah, really Anyway, we got a question here from Eric and Eric says Hi, George and Dan a tech talk question Last week you mentioned recording voiceover on an iPad. I record my Sennheiser 41 6 through zoom Through a zoom h6 And he's using it as an audio interface Um to an iPad pro The 2017 version running twisted wave and it sounds pretty good Pretty good Um, it also is very easy to use with the touchscreen and totally quiet That is a nice thing about an iPad or tablet makes no fan touchscreen Using the steinberg you are 22 mark 2. Well that steinberg is getting a lot of love tonight. Yeah With external power because the iPad may not power the Steinberg properly without its own power supply um Do you have any comments about the sound quality of recording on an iPad with an interface like he's using professional interface compared to recording on a macbook or a mac mini with the same interface same thing As far as I know Quality should not be there should be no difference in quality. It's just a device that collects data It's streaming in bits and bytes and your mac or your iPad is capturing that and And allowing you to edit it later the quality is in the ad converter And the preamp and the mic. It's all the upstream stuff mic Preamp converter. That's the quality determination And of course going further upstream your mic placement and then your acoustics which we talk about all the time Your primary that's by far. But once you have the acoustics and the mic placement and the right microphone and the right ad preamp and the ad converter Way down the bottom of the list is the rest of it and one of those is you can do it on your phone Yeah, and you can do that on it on really any device it comes down to what device do you like to interact with Um, I don't have a lot of like real world experience using an iPad for recording I set it up. I set up processing on it and know how to functionally do it But every time I go to make that edit it always feels a little fiddly It doesn't feel quite as well. It depends on the program you're using. I mean using I use twist the wave on the iPad and it's you you Zoom in really tight. You look for the little dots Across the normal right pinching a lot of pinching. It's well, it's it's separating. Yeah, you know lifting and separating It's you know, you're you're you're zooming in on the audio on the wave file And it breaks it down into the you know the little You know points on the the uh The sample scale. Yeah, and as long as you go between those dots It's not gonna make any it's not gonna make any noise You know, it's it's very tactile. Yeah, you know But it's if your brain if you look if you know how to hand you You know you you sign your name the same way every time When you're doing that type of editing You know one way with a mouse and and your computer and you go to just using your It's the same thing and you know, you know, it takes a little bit of getting used to but it can work It should it be your primary way of doing things? I'm not sure yet. I mean the new ipad pro with there's a mac os. There's an i'm ios Version What am I saying? There's an ipad version of ios, right? That has a few more functions that make it a little bit more like a regular os But there's still not a real ios. It still doesn't have like a normal file structure and There's little things that are a little a little frustrating. So I wouldn't recommend it as my daily driver Okay, but you could be practical in that you could record and read your script in your booth with your ipad Then when you go to edit and do the rest go walk over to your computer Plug it in sink it over or just do it over Dropbox or something right and then sit down and do the rest on the computer Which would be another way to do it. I'm debating right now and there's just a little bit more to this question But I'm debating right now about How I read my copy I used to have A regular month I used to have a mat regular monitor in the In the studio right and you know and you can control things from in there using a bluetooth mouse and stuff I don't think it affected the audio quality inside the booth all that much. It's actually if you angle it properly, right? but Through happenstance I had to take it out Because the way we were doing the show and stuff and I've gone back to using paper again and I remember like Early on when we started doing the show. I talked about how there I was creating the tower of babel of paper Right that we wanted to save the trees and So but I went back to a printer until of course it ran out of ink You know it's uh I just reminded this reminded me of something I promise we'll finish the question But my friend mike sent me an article about a japanese college student Who did a term paper about ninja warriors? Yeah And wrote the paper in disappearing ink Made using the traditional japanese ninja Which he worked on for apparently a long time to get it right proved it Wrote the whole thing disappearing ink gave it to the professor attached to notes saying heat the paper When you heat the paper The soy-based ink starts to turn black and it was hilarious So I just had this weird idea a funny story Of instead of having to you know having a stack of paper, right? Why don't you just print it in disappearing ink? And so it last and then just keep reusing the same piece of something And like not like the reverse of what she did she hers was disappearing and then she had to make it appear Is wouldn't there be like an ink where you could print it? It lasts for you know an hour right and then it fades away and you just reload the printer with the same paper wouldn't that work There's a million dollar idea in there come on Sounds like a good idea to me. Anyway, I started using the ipad again in my studio Or sometimes my iphone if my ipad which seems to lose sometimes you just have the iphone It's a short script and that's right like it's right there Yeah, and and and you know and then that's the great thing about it. I just have a music stand I can put anything So anyway, the rest of this question now has to do with the ipad and this is PS you also discussed exporting files from the ipad always a pain in the tachas Always has been an easy way is to upload them from twisted wave to a dropbox and download them from there To your computer for further editing if needed Through a wi-fi connection, even if large files just take a few minutes to upload Should have read the whole question because we talked about that. Yeah, but yeah, I mean dropbox I think is the easiest. Um, there are certainly other ways But um twisted wave has dropbox built in So once you put in your user and pass It will just i'll give you an option put it on dropbox Right and you sit down at your computer in the other room by the time you you've walked to the other computer The files are there right immediately you can start working But they're they're trying to make it easier to transfer files, aren't they? I think so, but I don't know why apple sucks at cloud stuff They have iCloud and they have some cloud tools and they do have some slick stuff like airshare Where you can like, you know, he can send you a file on your ipad. Yeah. Yeah, there's there are some cool things But it still just doesn't integrate across platform very well, right? Like let's say you work on a windows machine Not gonna work So I dropbox is really great another thing dropbox did recently on the dropbox topic is they doubled your Storage right so i'm paying for the dropbox I guess pro account for ten dollars a month now. It's two terabytes That's stuff you can put in there. I have my entire Working file like my entire company file on there right like every client folder everything It's about 900 gig right and I got plenty of storage left And it's great just to have everything at my fingertips my client will I'll be out and about the client will say Oh that stack file you forgot to send it. You forgot to put it in the full. Oh crap there. I'm sorry Here's a link to it. You know what there it is. I've got pictures from the 90s And mp3's from the 90s. Yeah that are on you know hard drives, you know in the storage area here I'm like, you know with two terabytes. 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