 We have an application tonight. What I'd like to do is start the meeting tonight by squaring in everybody who tends to give testimony. If you tend to give testimony tonight, please raise your right hand. Say I tell the truth, but the truth lies before this board tonight. Other panel needs a perjury. I did, I did. Yeah. Thank you. We have an application by Josh and Wibbs fits you. Josh, you want to tell us what it's about or is it kind of as we're talking? I'll introduce it and then Gunner can do the technical stuff. I'm, first of all, it's a little unusual to be here on this side of the table. Yeah. I'm glad you used to be here. So we own about a 400 acre parcel and we've owned that for about 15 years. And with this plan ahead of you, I'll show you is the subdivision of one of the parcels that we, it's actually what we own is in three separate parcels. This is the largest of the three parcels we own. And we want to subdivide that to create a hundred, basically a hundred acre lot that would go along McCarty Road running in a North-South collection with the intention of building a garage with a living unit in it and eventually a house on that site that we've identified. It's a piece of that land that is rocky, not suitable for hanging or farming, which is we want to keep the farmland open as much as possible. And so that's what the school is. Initially, we had thought about a year ago under the old zoning bylaw of creating only two lot, a two acre subdivision with a driveway to it, but it would be an interior lot. And because of when the zoning ordinance was changed, it became more difficult than maybe impossible to do it that way. So we decided, well, we'll just create, for the time being, we'll just make a hundred acres on the whole thing. So that's the overall goal of what we're doing. Okay, Mr. zoning administrator, any comments? No, this is, it is in the R40 rural 40 district, which requires 40,000 square feet. And this is obviously more than 40,000 square feet for the lot. Okay, I should have asked this question first. We have a number of people here in the audience. Does anybody here press party status? I don't know what that means. You don't know what that means. Don't know what that means. Okay, if party status to a hearing allows you to ask questions, although you can ask questions anyway, but if you request party status, granted party status, then you have the right to appeal a decision on this board. If you have- I don't think we need to do that, Tom. Okay. No, okay, no, it's because of party status, okay. Party status is typically granted for buddy property owners. There are other criteria that also include, they were talking about buddy property owners here. So, okay. Nobody's protesting party status? Very good. So, let's go through the development of new criteria. And I know that, Gunnar, you've addressed these. Yes. In tech form. First criteria is the capacity of community facilities and utilities. Right, so we're only adding one house, one driveway, and there will be no significant impacts on any of the community facilities capacities based on the addition of one house in the area. I have a question by board members on this. That's probably the zoning minister. I did receive letters from Chief Wolf, Chief Dufresne, and I didn't receive a letter from Tim Davis, road foreman, but all of them stated that I really had a nominal concern. One concern from Chief Dufresne is, I only see a slight problem in that is the term radius of a proposed driveway. If it could be widened that way, we can get our bigger truck in and out of there and we could do so easily other than that, it looks fine. So, is that the radius here? If you look on the site plan piece, it would be this down here. Turning in here. Okay, right. There's a glitch on the survey map in that corner. There's extra lines that shouldn't have appeared. Oh, okay. And you realize that today. This map is the one that would show that he'd be referring to this radius coming in turn there. We would report that they had a well-driller in there earlier this week to drill the well for the site. We've already received the state water and sewer permit for this. And the well rig was able to make that corner, Josh indicates, without a problem, really. So, if the board wants us to do something there, we certainly can. If you would like to attach a condition that we widen that radius by widening the road down there a little bit at the bottom, that can certainly happen. Like I said, as I would report, Josh says that well rig went in there, made that corner, didn't have a problem. And I gotta believe that's as big as most fire trucks you're gonna see going on. What is the turning radius? I don't know what the number is off the top of my head. I did not, it doesn't show on the plan, no. So I don't know what that is on the plan. Basically, this driveway tracks what had been a RIS, a farm access road. And we improved it by putting some stone in it. And but due to that, we talked to the town road foreman. And we, he looked at it and he suggested that we increase the length of the culvert that's at the McCarty Road. And so through the auspices of the town, we bought two culverts, which are, I think, 18 inch culverts, and they're two of them together with 40 feet. So it's a 40 foot entranceway to that bend. So it's much easier to make that corner because it's not. It gets less than 40 feet because the culverts 40 feet roadtapers up and so on. Oh yeah, so I get 35. So that's a pretty, that's, you know, I mean, typically 20 feet's enough. So that should be enough to allow a truck to swing through there. I think it was, it's like, well, the badadinas didn't have a problem thinking he was drilling right through there. And if he took his drilling rig behind my house, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It wasn't pretty, but. But they did it. You got it there. Did the fire chief say how much they know? No. And he was looking at it, a drawing without, without having, you know, radius on it. So I think it was for your discussion. Make sure that you're comfortable with it. I would assume you'd have a sharp turning radius like that so that you'd take advantage of the braids. Yeah. The alternative, if we had gone, we looked at initially having a straight shot, right, to T-bone, I guess you could say, and Cardi wrote that this would require a lot of blasting. And the Wilcoxons who lived at the end of the road didn't really want that blasting to be done right there. And they had been always, this access road was reserved as a right-of-way when we sold the property to Dave and Les. And there was reference in the survey map to a 50-foot right-of-way over that spot. But it had never been perfected. So in total discussion of this with Dave and Les, that we perfected that. There's an easement deed going back to cover that. But they prefer to have that as opposed to going through the, you know, do the blasting and cutting through some stone to make it. So that access is actually going to be deeded right away. Yeah. It's not on your property that's being itself. It's not on your property right here. So there will be a deed that would be as. Yes. There'd be an easement there. It's a triangular easement at the widest point, about 50-feet wide. That'll be referenced on the mylar. Yes. It's referenced here. Any questions? OK, the suitability of the land, section 305. That land is quite suitable, as Josh pointed out. And as you can see on the site plan, this is a clump of trees around in here. And because this area is not very good for agriculture, so that's where the house would go in the least desirable part for farming. But that part that is least desirable for farming is very suitable for a home. It's relatively flat site, some gentle slopes around it, access to an in-ground leach field, which is out. I picked it on that plan to the side of the house. And really, it's a pretty easy site to work. Very suitable for what's being proposed. And because of the removing some of the trees on the edge of that clearing, but most of the trees will stay. And so it's nicely. We don't really even notice that there's a house there. OK. Any questions or comments? Hearing none. Design and configuration of the parcel boundaries. What does this say? A lot of arrangement. Followed stone plan. Planned cylinder pattern. Existing roads. Did you have a comment on that? Well, I didn't. Oh, go ahead. Well, I just had a question. But you have a question. We do depict a building on the low. It's a little square up there. It's labeled as such a building on the low. We have a very large piece of land here. We took what is the existing edge boundary of this portion of lot two and just sort of extended it more of a straight out over here, which made for really more regularly shaped parcels than what the existing piece is. So really, we're taking one piece that's quite irregular and making two somewhat more regular pieces out of it. And with the size of these parcels, obviously, there's a lot of room for everything. So the configuration of the lots is such that they will continue to have agricultural potential as well as supporting the home site. What about wildlife? Because it's very wooded here. No, that's mostly open. There's a little bit of trees around that house site. Well, it looks very, when I drove up here, it looked pretty wooded right here. There's some woods in here? Yeah, but then, OK, I didn't go down this. Well, this is all, I don't know how far back it's open. It's open to about here, I would say, within what? About 300 or 400 feet of that town line. And this is all open land. It's open out through here. There's some woods along here, open out through here. OK, so this is pretty. There is. It's way more open than wooded in those areas. OK, but you're not actually going into the woods. No, there's a sort of little island of trees out there in the middle of what we're dealing with. And access to lot number one in the future will be off of West Hill Road. Yeah, it's got about 3,500 feet of furniture. So we think that would be OK. I don't know. And if anyone in the audience has questions or comments, just raise your hand after we hear from the board members and I'll just take any other questions. Lot dimensions? More than meeting the requirements, which are 40,000 square foot, 100 acres, I think amounts to about 4 million square feet. So I think we're OK. And everything is way bigger than it needs to be, basically. It would appear to me that you meet all the standards of lot dimensions. There are seven of them. I have to read them because it's all new to us. Sure, sure. Building the envelope and you show the building envelope. We do? We do? 364. Oh, thank you. And there's no building envelope. On the second, actually the second I said the first law one, there's no intent. There is no proposed building at this point on lot one. Correct. I take it that lot one is percable. I mean, is that test and tested? I don't know that we test it on lot one. But we have tested on one area on lot one. I would, I mean, I'd never guarantee anything, but I would be awfully surprised if we couldn't find a site on 100 and more acres. Yeah, I would be too, but I just. Yeah, and I think we did. Was that the one we'd test up in the back corner? Josh, yeah, we did do some testing up there. And we did find a site that was usable, yes. Excuse me, I'm sorry. You freshen your memory of what these criteria are. But design and layout of necessary improvements. Talks about streetscape and really is a criteria more intended for multiple lots, subdivisions, smaller ones. You know, streetscapes and that kind of stuff. My sense is that's not really applicable. Anybody agree? Yeah. OK. It also speaks to, I believe, part of that includes bicycle pedestrian facilities, water and wastewater facilities. Yeah. It's going to be out of wastewater, it's going to be outside. We have that term already? Firefighting facilities. Again, we're looking at multi-lots of subdivisions, smaller lots. I have another question. Are you going to be off the grid, or I don't know what? We're going to have power brought from McCarty Road to the site. OK. So it's already existing up? Up McCarty Road. OK. So there's one residence out there? Yeah. There's one residence from the residence. Again, I think that whole 30505 is not applicable. But you do have some text here, 4305, 5305, except that. Thank you. 30506, character of the area, and the settlement pattern. The project is consistent with the settlement pattern in the area, which are basically rural residential development homes on relatively larger parcels of land, which is what this is. Very consistent. And soil preservation? Yeah. Again, we're minimizing the development area. We have a one acre building on the level. We put that on the least valuable ag soils, as we've already discussed. They will be doing erosion controls when they get up there to start doing that work using the low risk handbook, which is a fairly standard erosion control techniques that are fairly simple to implement. And we do not anticipate any problems with preserving the soil capabilities. Our last criteria is conformance with these regulations. And the project is in conformance with all of the couple provisions of the regulations. Mr. zoning administrator? I do. Unless I'm missing something, there are no official criteria. Does anybody have any additional questions for the applicant? Boyd members, Mr. zoning administrator? Could you have any additional testimony on the provided inspector? Just to point out that we did request for combining preliminary and final hearings. I assume that's what we're doing tonight, just to make sure we haven't talked about it. I just wanted to verify that. There was a way it was warned. Thank you. And one thing we didn't talk about, but I think you covered it already. And you already have approval for the curb cut. Sorry for it. Yes. I noted in your language, it's a pre-existing access, but that doesn't mean the approval of the curb cut. There was that approval, granted. They came back in. OK. And it was about the only concern I had, frankly. Well, anybody have any question, comments? If not, yes. I'm just wondering about noise. Are we going to have to be quieter than where normally we are because I know from there, over that side of the hill to our house, the noise is, you know, quite. It's very nice. So we don't want to hear our dogs barking out. So I was wondering if that was in consideration, or I don't know how loud. All of the specific noise criteria in here at all, are you concerned that we'll hear you or you'll hear us? Oh, wow. Both places. I think it's, I did notice when I was up there, I guess, the day or so, that I could hear things from Dave's and Les's house, which is too far away. But I don't hear anything coming from West Hill Road because there's so much forest land between us, and I mean, where the site is, and where your house is, that I don't think there's going to be much. Well, we don't hear the hay. Yeah. But if you go in there for destruction, we will hear that, but that's not a big deal. Oh, yeah, that won't go in very long. No, you're just going to put it up and be 10 minutes, you know. Right, yeah, yeah. Do you live where? We live at 762 West Hill. It's almost directly across the West Hill Road, on the other side. OK, yeah. We've been on, indeed, when they first moved there, there was, you can look from their house across the valley all the way up the hill because there weren't any trees there. It's all pastured. It's all pastured. Now there's trees there. Pastured hay fields because you can see everything up there. We've been there 49 years. Wow. We've seen a lot of growth. Right, yeah. Well, when you moved there, it wasn't the road. Didn't the road still have grass in the middle? Yeah, pretty much. Seriously, yeah. It was class four, just another house, just above us. Yeah. Any other questions? Sure, I'm Dave Huber. I live at 623, right at the edge of McCarty in West Hill. OK, yeah. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, again. I'm here because I didn't really know anything about this project. Sure. I just noticed that there was increased traffic going up McCarty Road. Yeah. I had no idea. You know, what do you anticipate the traffic to be like up there? The building that we're in, the first building we're intending to put up is a garage that would have two-car garage with a living unit associated with it. And we will be there periodically, but not full time. So there'll be very little traffic additional. You've seen some more traffic because there's been work on that road, so there's been a lot of construction. There are town trucks there recently. Yeah, which, yeah, I definitely noticed that. That's welcome. I just mean because I saw some gravel trucks going up that road. Yeah, that was when we put the drive-in. OK, sounds good. And mine always doesn't bother you. Not at all. It's very nice. Do you own that house, or is it, or are you rent it? Yeah, I've owned that for a little over a year now. My wife and I have. OK, good, good. I didn't own it because I didn't do it. You used to be a rental store. So we heard. We didn't have to have real neighbors. So, Dave, you could ride to the Norwich games together because they're Norwich fans as well. Sounds good. It's good. Any other questions I have? Yeah, we'll talk outside. Sure, nice to meet you, and welcome to them. Sorry, we know most people up the road from there, but not too many people blow West Hill from there where you are. We know the sands across the street. After they met us, they decided not to come down here. If there are no further comments or questions, I would like to hear a motion to close this hearing. Send that. Second. The second. There's a discussion on that motion. I'll take that motion to signify by saying aye. Aye. And this hearing is closed officially. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Would you like to be at your house? No. I just realized that I was looking at it. I wasn't on solo and I was smiling, guys. I just realized that was your house that I was buying up. That's the reason why they didn't show up. So where are you with me now? We live around that. Well, across the street from where that apartment was. Yeah. Okay, West Hill. West Hill. Yeah. Okay, I'll sign your person. So we do have a, it's a farm. It's got houses. A garage. Of course. A farm with three hay wagons in it. Wow. So we're looking for someone who's interested in buying the house. Plus 300 eggs. Yeah. Sure. It's a really lovely area. I drove up there. I'm fairly new to Berlin. So I drove there past the horse stables. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just, which parcel is the one JD had to have? It's right at the end of Eastern Grove. So I don't know why there's a number on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I do. It is a pretty special area. Yeah. We're trying to keep it that way too. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully you can find someone who's interested in doing what we build in the land. I'll make people be happy because it used to be a dairy farm. I'll mention that. For years it was more, but nothing happened at all. I would quote it back. Wow. There's no dairy cattle there. But at least it feels to be mowed. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay. The next order of business we have is the minutes of the beginning of August 20th. So next step is to maybe have any comments on these nuts? Yeah. I didn't have so much. I'm out. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't. I don't think I was. What did we do? Well, we closed the griddle. Here we have the continuation of the decision of the Sony Administrator. And then we also had Edgewood Development. Oh, right, right, right. So last night. Which is not an insignificant little project. I had some edits to comments here. Just big truck traffic, I said, vehicle and stuff like that. And I've set these out here. I don't think any of the material. The only question I had was, there's a reference to a new 21-inch culvert to be installed under the axis of the bearer. And that's the new size for a culvert for an access well. I think it's actually on the planet. No. No. I remember the number 21 was thrown out there. I think the reference to 21 is the culvert that crosses. I think it is too. I think it is too. Correct. This is making reference to a culvert under the driver. If I'd wager, it's probably an 18-inch culvert. I would. And I was wondering if you could confirm that for me. I'm sure that's a new access. So it had to be pulled by Tim. So he's probably going to tell us what the culvert size is. He would just give us that number and give you that. Or you can't get that to us in a relatively neat fashion. I suggest you just delete the number and just say a new culvert. But typically a driveway culvert unless there's some real stream or something like that was an 18-inch. And I think it was under airport ground. The 21-inch is under the airport road. And I had a concern about what I was having with the flow. And so we had a discussion about that. Yes. I remember that now. And then the only other comment I had was in storm water management. I can't remember. It's been a long time since I've worked together. I don't remember what it was. Oh, the fact that storm water management. I wanted to insert that storm water management plan. It includes a new storm drain. It wasn't clear in the text here. But there actually got new storm drains, which is an important consideration, is now what they're doing with catch basins and storm drains is they're literally removing a lot of the storm water and redirecting it. So I just wanted to clear that we have that the storm water management plan includes those catch basins, four new catch basins to collect a runoff from the main office building and another half, another half of the parking lot. And you've got those comments from me. Did you know? I believe I did. But if I could steal that. We also did not approve the August 6th minutes on the 20th. That's correct. That's correct. But I don't know if I would have any corrections on this. Well, because I wasn't at that meeting, you were, Karla, you said you were going to read those. I don't remember if I did. Can we wait and do it next week? Could I ask you to review it and do by email? Yes, I will. So we don't get surprised the next meeting? Yes, I will. Thank you. You or whoever else was here, Josh was here, you were here. But yeah, you know, the only thing I could tell you what's wrong with the minutes is I was not here and you had me cheering the meeting. Yes, I did. I did take that out. That's the only answer I know. You know why this happened? For some reason, your emails are going into my junk email. I don't know why. So I'm not getting them. Unless I have to look at my junk email, I'm going to have to ask my IT guy to make sure that somehow that they get directed into my email. I didn't even know. Just go to junk, you can do it yourself. I know, but there's two boxes that I always look at. One's called Focused and one called Other and I always just thought that was it. And then I realized there was a junk. And I'm like, what goes in there? And I started looking and I was like, I'll have the emails that I should have been getting. I had the same time as Spam Folder and I wanted to look at it and then I realized. They just switched us to a different, and that's when it started happening. Talk to IT. You're on the wrong list. And that's not going to open any attachments that are in that folder. They block everything. So anyway, yeah. There's the board. So we will delay the defer that those minutes until the next meeting. But we'll do these. But these here we can do. So I'd like to move the edits that I provided. I think I copied everybody on my edits. Yeah. I made a couple of comments, but I don't even remember what they are. So I didn't actually edit. I just had these little comment things. Unfortunately, they're on my computer. But I can't remember. You sent them out to everybody? Yeah. I remember them. Yeah, I don't remember. You made yours before I made mine. So I think my comments were intended to address that. Okay. And that's fine. Yeah. I believe that's what my thought was. Okay. All right. And to the extent that they didn't address the used comment stand for what they were. Yeah. I mean, they were pretty minor. Unfortunately, so much in that file took me a half hour to find out. Yeah. That's okay. We can just move to approve it. Yeah. Okay. So we have a motion to approve the edits as provided by myself and Polly. Second. Discussion. All those in favor of that motion? I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. Okay. I. I. I was made all's favor. And we're in the room session at 32 minutes after the 7 o'clock, and we'll turn off all recording instruments.