 We love talking to our next guest, Mel Kuiper Jr., who knows football like no one else, and he's going to help us with Mr. Kyler Murray. Mel, it's Michael, Don and Peter. How you doing? Good, guys. How you been? We're doing OK. So what is Kyler Murray? Where can we expect him to be selected? How good can he be? Well, he's going to go very high. I think we all know that. I think what it is now is, OK, number one or number four. That's Arizona and Oakland. Does Arizona draft him with Kingsbury, you know, needing a quarterback with his, you know, doesn't max protect, then he needs a mobile quarterback in that offense? Does he take Kyler Murray at one and trade Josh Rosen to say Denver, who was picking 10 and get that 10th pick, or say Miami, you know, was picking 13, and then does John Gruden maybe deal Derek Carr in draft Kyler Murray, knowing he has to outscore Patrick Holmes for the next nine years. And that's the end of his contract. And in nine years, Patrick Holmes will only be 32 years of age. If he had passed those two, then you're getting into the Giants at six. Jacksonville at seven, Denver at 10. I don't think that's going to happen. I think he goes in the top four overall. And I think the combine is going to be important to see as he five, nine, five, 10, where's he stand there, the size of his hand, the how people view his body type when they see him face to face. He'll interview great as football IQs off the charts. His arm strength, his speed, his athleticism, his quickness, all phenomenal. So he doesn't have to throw, he doesn't have to run. His accuracy is outstanding throwing a football. I think the height and the, the hand size is going to be a determining factor of whether whether he does go that high with our teams, other teams embrace him and going to wrap your arms around Kyler Murray as a today type NFL quarterback rather than the 1980s, 90s when he wouldn't have been viewed as anything, but probably a position change and a third round pick. Yeah, we were just talking earlier, Mel, about how the fact that Baker may feel all of a sudden went to number one very early, about a week before the draft. Right. So what really didn't happen until late. Can something similar happen here where these quarterbacks and, and the shuffle make everything that we're saying right now almost obsolete where everything kind of changes a week before the draft. Yeah, they all get moved up. They really keep moving and moving and you keep adjusting and the combine. And keep in mind, a lot of people didn't know if they had any idea that Kyler Murray was going to be in this draft process. So during the year he kept playing great and then get into October. Hey, he could maybe and then get into November. They can into the playoffs. So I think people had to catch up. They didn't expect him to be anything other than right now Oakland A getting ready to report this Friday for spring training with the Oakland Athletic. So I think this caught a lot of people by surprise. They're hurrying up now trying to catch up the Kyler Murray, the combine. Pro day obviously going back in Washington. This was a kid was 42 and oh in high school, three state championships in Allen, Texas. Obviously the great year at Oklahoma sat behind Baker Mayfield and learned that Lincoln Raleigh offense inside out. This is a Lincoln Raleigh offense and all the a lot of NFL teams are trying to figure out how to take pieces of that. And work with it in the NFL. So yeah, to me, I think he's got everything it takes. I said about two months ago, if he were three inches taller, it'd be the number one pick guaranteed. They still may well be the number one pick overall to Arizona. If in fact they decide to trade Josh Rosen, I tell you what, you startled me because everything I had been reading was, you know, maybe middle of the first round. So if he's going to go first to fourth, then he obviously made a good move, not going to the Oakland A's. And my question to you, and I know you're not doing baseball here, but did the A's make a mistake? Did they misread this or did he just come out of nowhere? Couple things on that. You know, I think they should not have. I think it was a mistake to not force them to decide and not give them the opportunity to play at Oklahoma. Hey, if you're going to be in Oklahoma, I'm going to draft you ninth, you better be all in right away and no going back to Oklahoma. Once you do that, it's a win-win for Baker, the up for Kyler. The only thing Kyler knew is after Baker Mayfield went number one and Kyler's a very confident kid. He saw what happened with Baker. As you said, that late rise up to number one, same offense, similar skill set, only faster and more athletic. And you think about accuracy, he completed almost the same percentage of pass, right around 70% was his completion percentage. It's about the same as Baker. He accounted for more touchdowns this year than Baker did last year. So he knew all that as the year went along. And I think what he was thinking here was, okay, if I do play great, I can get to the first round and then become a football player. I don't think Oakland A's made because they thought he was five, nine, five, nine and a half. He didn't suit with the NFL's looking for. Maybe they underestimated that and how the NFL was changed. They certainly maybe didn't expect as a first year starter. Remember, you played at A&M, but wasn't the guy Kyle Allen was there. So I think they just underestimated that. I just don't understand guys why you make a ninth pick Kyler Murray and you let him go have an option. And I think for Kyler was a win-win. The only negative for Kyler would have been a serious injury, which he unfortunately didn't sustain. So here we are. But if you're the Oakland A, you underestimated how good a player and football quarterback he could be, and he should have, I think, never been given that opportunity, like I say, to play that one year at Oklahoma. Talking with Mel Kuiper Jr. Well, Mel, we all agree that he's probably shorter than your prototypical quarterback. But does that matter anymore? Because the fact that you're saying that even though he's short, he could be taken first, it sounds like it doesn't matter anymore. It really doesn't. Like, that's the thing that you have to adjust. You're thinking, I speak to people in the league and I think the old guard, you know, and I'm part of that. Now, really, Drew Brees was a second-round pick. Russell Wilson, just seven years ago, was the 75th pick in the draft. Third round, had a great career in both NC State and Wisconsin. He was a third-round pick, like, say, 75 overall. Why? Because he was 5'10", and three-quarters. Here we have a 5'9", and a half, say, quarterback, one-year sensation that could go number one or number four because the way the game has changed, the fact that you see quarterbacks coming in. And I said seven years ago, he was going to be a test case. And I said it to John Gruden, because John and I were there for that draft. And ironically, John's picking forth and could be interested in Murray. But we said that's the test case. If Russell Wilson develops into a really good, the great NFL quarterback, the height factor won't be an issue. If he struggles, it will be. And look what happened. So I think Russell Wilson really helped Murray. Now, Russell Wilson is a different body type than Murray. He was 2'10", 2'15", coming out. We'll see what Tyler Murray is. 1'85", 1'90", 1'95", we'll see. Obviously, you're giving up an inch and a half there, possibly, maybe even a half inch. If he is 5'10", with some things, something 5'9", we'll see. But I think when you look at Tyler Murray, it's because of the way the NFL has changed. And the success of Russell Wilson, Baker Mayfield, has certainly led to what we see right now with this kid being projected as a top five pick, possibly.