 Good morning everybody. It is Tuesday, April 25th. This is the Jones Library buildings and facilities meeting. This meeting is being recorded and will be available post meeting on the Jones Library website. I'm going to go ahead and just have everybody. Hopefully stay with your present for the meeting. So George. Yeah. Yeah. Alex I'm here and library director Sharon Cherry. Thank you for being here. Okay. Let's see. So, First thing we have on our agenda is the minutes from March 21st. We would like to make a motion to approve those minutes. Motion to approve. And a second. Second. Great. I saw one typo. I think there was. Yeah, I know to do it like not should be note or something like that. Yeah. Note. Yeah. Maybe it was on the first page. You tell me where number six C. Oh, got it. Got it. Okay. I'm happy that she doesn't like add all the commas and things or all the other mistakes that I know that are in there. So, anyone any discussion about the minutes? Nope. Okay. So this is voting to approve the minutes of March 21st 2023. George. And Alex is also an approved. Next item on our agenda is public comment. I see that we have three attendees. Anyone would like to make a comment. You can raise your virtual hand and we will bring you into the room and. Okay. Seeing none, we will move on. First item on the agenda after that is the delivery van update, which I expect is going to sound much like it has in the past. Unless something exciting is happening. Yes, it will. Nothing new and exciting. So no update. Okay. Okay. So we're going to move on. Okay. So we're going to move on to the North Amherst library building project drove by that the other day on the way up to the Mill District area and looks like a lot's going on. So it's latest. I don't have any firsthand information as to where it is that but like you I drove by it and I saw that the roof is on the addition and that they're working on the paint work on the original structure. So we were building last week to take some measurements for the circulation desk, but I didn't make it over there. So I really don't have anything further that I can add. And I have some updates. We were over there with our with our it folks scoping out locations for security cameras. Regarding the end date of the project. It's not clear yet. They're still thinking August, but there's an issue with some parts electrical sockets that are required in order to get a certificate of occupancy. That's what I, that's what I understand. So, and the part has been on order for quite some time. And I'm not sure when it's later to come in. So the timing of everything is very unclear. The other thing regarding the North Amherst library and costs. You know, I've been speaking with Sean and Paul about this for many years now. So Sean Jeremiah and I got a chance to sit down for like a half an hour just to talk about how we're going to split up the costs for the building and I was able to give them expenses going back to FY 16. And what we're talking about at this point is just like splitting the costs and and see what happens after the first six months, the first year when it's open, you know, under normal operating processes, you know, see how often the meeting room gets used that kind of a thing. And so right now it costs about four grand, you know, to run the building and that doesn't we're not talking about library staffing where we're still going to be responsible for library staffing but as far as building insurance and the maintenance and the utilities of the space. It's about four grand so cut that in half. It'll be about two grand. Give or take the actual, you know, usage of the meeting room that that's that's for the town to take care of the cleaning of the bathrooms that's for the town to take care of just like at the months and because it's again, you know, they're both town buildings. Yeah, and the grounds costs and in maintenance that will all continue to be for the town. So, so those are my updates you have any questions. I'm not sure that I can answer, but go ahead Farah. So Karen is this any different from how the costs any different from what they were before. No. So this is about the same. Well, well that's what we're that's what we're starting with. I, you know, I can only assume that that the utility that that it will be more efficient but I, I don't know. George, do you want to I mean, I mean, we had converted the lighting to led a few years back, but it's a combination of there's going to be a more efficient heating system in there but the building itself is going to be larger so it may just be a wash we really won't know until we're, you know, until we've got a few seasons and. Okay, thank you. Yeah. No, it was just a starting point we were we were all like, you know, we're all on the same team and we're all just trying to figure it out together. So I really appreciate, you know, the town being so cooperative and normal. So, can I clarify what was agreed to was it that we would pay half of the actual costs or we would pay half of our previous cost. Actual, it will be actual. So, for example, you know, insurance, I think the town is going to go out for to bid on insurance. So, it would be awesome if those figures went down. Yeah, and whatever electrical. Heating whatever those costs are so to be actual bills that come in. I just wanted to give them an idea and so that's why it gave them numbers going back to f y 16. Yeah, I guess I just want to make sure that the agreement that we have is that we'll split the cost not to exceed our current costs, right? I have no idea, like from an insurance perspective, if we've gone from, you know, public library that sees, you know, X number of visitors to a publicly used meeting room that's accessed with, you know, after our system. I don't know how that changes our liability and what that does for our insurance, you know, electrical costs. I mean, ideally it's more efficient system but it's a system that I assume people have access to the meeting room after an hour. So I, I don't want to make assumption because for our budgeting purposes, we need to know what we're budgeting so we could clarify from them will split the cost but not to exceed what our current budgeted cost is that would be for me, I think I feel better. Yeah, yeah, because there's the variable of the meeting room itself and if that's getting used after hours is technically not a library service. Why should we be paying for the electricity to keep that meeting room open after hours. Again, the added water for the bath. Yeah. Okay. Right. I mean, I mean, I think there's going to be utility costs. I think there's going to be an increase it's not going to be that much but again not knowing the usage of the space and I'm assuming nobody's going to be, you know, tracking the electrical usage by hour to be like that's town cost so I just, I don't want us to end up spending more in the end. Very good. That caveat that would be great. Thank you. I think I'm going to add a couple more north end marshes the monthly building grounds report. I really have nothing new to add. Since the last meeting, you know, we're still, we're still having some issues with graffiti and just overall. I don't want to call it vandalism, but there's definitely a lot more sloppy than it's going on in the building lately. We're working on making the corners of the basement area that our problem areas were working towards making them less accessible because they're really just blank spaces. So we're kind of working on some creative furniture moving and things like that. Other than that, I don't think I have anything new to add. The only other thing I would add is that I have to contact Rob Mora to see if we can renew the permit for the tents, because that is an annual permit. We renewed it last year. I'm not sure what their answer will be now that all the COVID protocols are gone. And that was the prime purpose of that tent. So when I get a response from Rob, I'll certainly let Sharon know. George, are there cameras where all this is going on? There is some camera access. It has been in the building and we've walked around and looked at where we could add cameras to maybe capture these areas a little bit better. So we're also working on that as well. But yeah, the building is is laid out with so many nooks and crannies that it's really impossible to capture all of the areas with what we have now. And even with adding cameras, there's still going to be spaces where we just will not be able to see well. So, but we are working on improving that. So does this involve you guys having to paint the walls or does it wash off or how does it work? A combination, depending on what it is, repainting walls, cleaning them, shampooing furniture, things like that. We did have an instance where a couple of the upholstered chairs were vandalized with Sharpies, and that did not shampoo out. So we had to dispose of the chairs because of what was written on them. So yeah, it's just, you know, a little bit more work here and there. Well, sorry for going above and beyond. I'm not sorry. Sorry. And thank you for going above and beyond. I can't imagine that it's any fun to deal with this as well. I'll pass that on to my staff. Thank you. I know that we have press in the building now, and I know that press has people who, so I assume most of these are happening, you know, middle school high school, especially on early release days, making assumptions here. I know that press has people who work in each of the school buildings. Are they are we, and as well as in the library, are we coordinating with them at all? It just, it just started like they, we just got the office set up for them late last week. So I, so we have an office now. Yeah, yeah, it's in the AV area. It was formerly one of the AV tax offices. So they've literally just started having an in building presence. So we really don't know what the, we don't know how that's working yet that they've literally just started. So they, do they have a plan yet for how, and I think initially they were, they were helping with clothes was, I think, was their original plan. This is probably outdated, my understanding originally they were helping sort of with the close the building. And then now they're stepping up to having an office. So, yeah, so so much has changed with Chris. Chris has is it's ever evolving and so my problems, our problems are happening in the basement where there is no staff sight lines. And so what I've done a couple of times this past month is in the afternoon I go downstairs I bring my laptop and I just hang out for four hours. And, and the folks come they sit down and, and they eat they, you know, they enjoy their refreshments, but they're not doing the vandalism as long as there's a staff member there. So it's more than just walkthroughs that we need. Unfortunately, I don't have an office. The problem is the building. I don't have an office to give Chris in the basement. And so, so this was the next best thing was giving them an empty room that's in our AV area. We're going to create a seating slash meeting room space in the AV space. So that as we creatively rearrange furniture downstairs in the basement corners, it will stop people from being downstairs hanging out and bring them upstairs. So, so that and then staff will be right there. So I get that that's what we're working on right now. We don't. We don't have a perfect solution. The vaping that's happening is, is happening. People of all ages and, and we have no way of knowing that that it was being consumed outside of the building or once they were inside of the building the smell is there we're not catching anybody actually doing it but it smells a lot and patrons are complaining. It's like this new, you know, society has made it legal and and now just like with smoking you know you don't walk around the building and people aren't smoking cigarettes. So now people have to learn that vaping is the same thing as smoking and you can't do that in public building so it's like this retraining new training for people. I mean, are we talking smoking pot is vaping smell. I'm sorry. Both great question. I mean, I'm no expert. Yeah, I mean, you can do two things with the vape there's there's there's the chemicals that are supposed to we knew off of smoking and but the chemicals themselves also smell and vapes can also be used to to smoke TFC and yeah. Okay, can I ask one more question far and then all. So, so as I'm down in the basement right you've got the area where the ESL is around one corner and then sort of that working area and then you've got the Woodbury room and then you've got that long stretch of really tall stacks and then you've got that sort of area that Celia created for the teams. So when you go down and work Sharon where like is it possible. To the extent that you're rearranging furniture like could we set up like a desk downstairs for crest where you've been working and then also have the space so that we've got both. So that that's what I would love but a so that crest does need a telephone they need electricity in the corner that I sit there there is neither. So we could we could install all that stuff at a cost. And we're only going to be in the building for another. What month what month are we in we're in April, you know we're only going to be here for the end of this calendar year. So we're weighing the pros and cons of actually spending money. The other problem is the nook where I sit it really only fits one person. The downside is that if you have to get up and walk away for a moment to use the restroom or or whatever. You need to bring everything with you you can't because there's no door. So, so the inconvenience factor is there, which is so for all those reasons that's why we, we said, let's give them an actual office with an actual door, because they're not here just to help the library they are providing services throughout, and this just happens to be their home base for two of their workers. So this is it's an ongoing discussion staff wide Cress wide Cress has been open to everything. They've been amazing. Paul has been open to everything. He's been amazing. And what I've seen on the library list serves is that vandalism across the state in libraries in general is on the uptick, you know we're coming out of coven this is like the first year where it's kind of normal. And, and kids for the past couple of years have been on lockdown. So they're, they're feeling their, they're spreading their wings. Not that it's okay. I'm just saying, there's a reason that it's a little bit more than usual. It's, it's also, it's also spring. We think it will die down a little bit as as the summer comes along. It's exhausting. Not far you had another question. Where's Sharon I'm so amazed by how positive you are. Some of that would rub off on me to. So I just, I don't know is that is there no law against vaping inside buildings in the town. There is. Okay, so what you're saying is they're doing it outside and coming in but you, but you don't know if they're doing it inside because sometimes it doesn't smell like in the middle school. Okay. No, we know it's happening inside. Okay, we have caught individuals on camera actively vaping inside. So what do you do then what I So, so keep in mind the cameras are the cameras are after the fact. Yeah. So we're not catching them in the act. If we were to actually see it we would ask them to leave for the day. You know I think there's, we're all trying to be very careful because whoever these people are regardless of how old they are we want them to be here. So, that's a part of the equation to We're not we're not actively watching it because that's the policy we're not actively watching the camera system. And if that were to become the policy we would basically need to hire somebody to watch the cameras. But but yeah it's definitely happening inside. People of all ages are vaping inside in the public areas and the common areas in the bathrooms. But it's, it's, it's a very difficult thing to catch somebody actively doing it. It's this tiny, and it's not like a cigarette you can, you can literally just shove it in your pocket if somebody approaches you. And so if somebody if somebody says to us it wasn't me, then, you know, we're going to police officers what are we going to do. We're going to police in but is that really the path we want to take. I don't think so. And, and going back to our cameras so our cameras are, they're old they're, you know, 8, 9, 10 years old and so when we get a picture and you take a still shot. They're very fuzzy that they're very pixelated so the cameras that were the new cameras that will be installing are updated and and it will be a clear picture. So if it, if it ever comes down to us needing a photo, it will be better to say yes that is that person, because right now it's, it's unclear. Are we okay from a budgetary perspective in terms of, you know, the extra labor and paint and furniture like do we need to be thinking about increasing budget anywhere to address this uptake, or is it just on a kind of watch and see basis. I mean we're kind of holding our own right now. I mean, we're not, for instance, like if a piece of furniture gets damaged beyond repair from vandalism, we're not replacing it. We're just taking it away. And to be clear, these were not fancy chairs. These were chairs that I think we got 25 bucks a piece from Ron. Anyway, so yeah, it's not like it's our fine arts collection. But we know that, you know, every new chair that comes in needs to be a wipeable surface or would know. Should buy nothing. Keep an eye on that for library chairs. All right, well, I mean it's great to hear that presses increasing their presence in the building and it's great to hear that we are ever continuing to be creative in our solutions around the difficulties of the structure of our building so thank you to George Sharon and the staff for continuing to be creative in trying to meet the needs of the community. Anything else on building and grounds. Okay, I just quick question on the tent. I know that we've been keeping the tent, because I think the children's department in particular is continuing to use it. I assume that's still the case and that's still, they would want to continue to use it. Yeah, it's primary primarily the children's department. The friends like to use it on occasion for primarily for like their book sale things like that. But yeah, it's primarily youth programming. I guess at some point we should probably have a conversation I mean if this if the permits approved again, you know, is this something worth on completing as a continued permanent structure is it only until the project is completed because we'll have better air quality and better circulation and better and we won't have that need anymore. Yeah, I mean honestly it makes a mess of our front yard. So, yes, it's not attractive. Right, right. Okay, so if for some reason, going, going into our next item. So for some reason the pro the project doesn't move forward, we would probably add to our discussion. So the benefits we're getting out of that tent and what are some long term solutions. Yeah, definitely. Okay. So, so anything else on the buildings and grounds for we move on. Okay. So the backup building planning project so in our last meeting we talked about the fact that town library of formed an internal working group to plan for the needed repairs. The project doesn't proceed. The group is Karen George, Rob, Mara, Jeremiah plant, Sean, and then I think Stephanie also has been sort of consulting as needed in the process. And then that group as I understand it has identified the HVAC system as the most pressing issue and determine that the next step is to hire an engineer to develop the solution. And that the request was that this process happened over the summer and it sounds like my understanding is that the spring off point for things beginning is after the design development cost estimate is received, which is anticipated in the summer so is that I wasn't sure about the timing, but I agree with everything else that you said. Okay, I just don't know about the timing. Sean had had sent something that said the process would occur over the summer after the design development cost estimate, which is kind of what we're holding. And so I guess, you know, in, in, in talking to, in either answering questions from town counselors or talking to other people there, there seems to be some lack of clarity, which I think we need to fix with the town and with the town manager or with within that group. One of what we talked a little bit about last time is that the MOU states that, you know, that the parties the library the town are going to address the urgent repairs required to the building, including but not limited to and so I know HVAC has been identified as number one, but back when George made his list I believe it was number four so there are there are three things that are at least is equally pressing so, you know, George created that list there's 12 or 13 items that list is what generated the Western quote. And so I guess some clarity around what town manager what this group is envisioning in terms of the other repairs beyond the HVAC system. I guess I also am still struggling with what, what is plan B really like what are we really doing because you know I went back and I was listening to the town council vote on the updated memorandum. You know there are a group of people who want plan B to be, you know, more of a space planning and green energy building and all the things that we would love to do. If this project doesn't move forward, but then there's what I heard from town council, which was, you know, we already have plan B, or what I heard from finance committee was our plan B was the Western builders quote and it's a matter of how we execute it. I'm feeling a little unclear about what's being asked of us and I, I want to make sure that we're doing what we're supposed to be doing and what's been asked of us. So, I guess, for me, I don't know whether any of that's been answered yet but I those are sort of questions that I keep asking and I feel like the timing and the process or being driven by town and not by the library. And like, is that how it should be and I mean I know we're working together but I also feel like, you know, it takes money to do what the next steps are. If it's something beyond what we already have, which then puts us that puts the town sort of in charge of when they want to fund the next step. Yeah, you've had the nail on all of the heads Alex and I don't know any of those answers, and I'm not sure that Paul does but I have asked him to clarify publicly. I think it would be great if Paul came to either a buildings and facilities committee meeting a budget committee meeting or a trustee meeting, just so that we could all have a conversation about that because what town council. You brought up the three, the three possibilities you know are we talking about a space planning exercise. Or are we talking about all the Western builders issues, or are we just talking HVAC and right now Paul is only working on HVAC. And so I am fine with whatever plan B should be could be would be whatever the town could afford. But I think we all need to know exactly what that is that way when it's time for the next town council vote. We all understand that it's either, you know, plan a the big the big project or just HVAC or whatever it is. Yeah, I mean I worry I worry that town council is going to have to make a vote without. I mean my preference would be if town wants, you know, a plan B, you know, that they, you know, they pay for and and the thing is, is if the project doesn't move forward that 1.8 million that we have agreed to would go against whatever the costs are up front but I mean, if they want to hire and pay for, and we can start working with either the architect or the engineer and then we have, you know, a full cost estimate of what it would be, you know, I, that would be great I would be on board with that I'm just struggling with. Well one not being at these meetings, which I can't be because then it would just be a full bill. So that's hard but I, yeah, I mean I'm just, I'm, I feel like whatever I'm talking to, you know, different town counselors, or, you know, Sean, or I'm getting. I don't feel like everybody's on the same page. And that concerns me. I don't feel within the trustees were probably on the same page with what we're supposed to be doing and that concerns me so you know I think. Partially this needs to be a conversation for the full board and exactly what the expectation is and what everybody thinks that we've agreed to, but then also with town council right I mean if town council is making a vote based on a memorandum and different town counselors who have different ideas about what this is that's problematic so it would be immensely helpful I think for this group. You know, and what we've been charged with to have some clarity that what we think and what what everybody else thinks are the same or at least for everybody to come to the same, the same place. And the other point of where I've been hearing lack of clarity is, you know, the town's 15.8 million and if we do the repair, how is going to just give us that money, which, if that's the plan that's fabulous that means we could do a lot we could do the repair be right away. And that's not been the message that I've been hearing, both through JCPC and I don't know if you are anything different far but that's not the message that I was hearing and so again, if you know town counselors or town like I just, I would love to get everybody on the same page with the dates, the schedule, the order, the expectations. Do we do that by, I mean we've invited Rob and Jeremiah to this committee's meetings and they haven't. And I it's above their. It's Paul. Okay. So, whether we want to have that meeting here or whether we want to have it, you know, as a full trustee meeting but I really feel strongly that it needs to happen. You know, we signed this agreement in October, we sent them the, you know, all of the reports that we had back in October, George did a tour in November. And I feel like we've provided everything that we're supposed to provide at this point and we're waiting on direction and I really like to receive that direction. Yeah, just to add to what I think, yeah, it's, it's a little frustrating to hear what, what Alex has already said, you know, talking to people and people not having all the information but there are too many rumors floating around about how there isn't a plan. I mean, first, like, you know, I want the project to go through as much as anyone does. I think it's important to know that all of you are you're working double because you're working on the project. And you're working on a plan B. And I think there are too many people spread. I mean, there's too much misinformation out there and we need the facts. And like you've said, Sharon, I think we really should have Paul at the trustee meeting. And we can have all, all the facts there and all the facts clarified and we can have, you know, whoever shows up and their report on it or whatever but the town needs all the facts, so that we can stop this, this misinformation campaign that's out there. And, and also just to just to let people know that if it doesn't go through we're going to lose a lot of these grants. We're going to have a lot of pretty frustrated elected officials at the state level who have gone above and beyond to help us get these grants and to do everything they could do to to try to move this project project forward so we're not going to do what we wanted with this building. Right. So just fixing that HVAC system and George's boilers is not going to give us what we want the teen space. I mean what's going to happen the vaping is still going to happen down there. Sorry, George I just like, I'm just, I'm feeling a little frustrated right now because the more I think, think about this. Like the more I think I, the more I think about the fact that my team will not be in that space. I want to make sure that the next few generations of teens have that space so we don't have these problems. They need a place to go to. That's not like loitering around lime red or, or like Walter mentioned at an equity meeting last, you know, two weeks ago, he can't even go into lime red. So it's not like all the buildings in town are accessible for everybody for all the kids so too much misinformation. Sorry, I know I'm and you guys are doing above and beyond so I just want to like, say that I really appreciate but we need to get the whole town like have the facts there so the whole town knows what's out there and doesn't listen to to all the misinformation out there. Thank you. Thank you. I mean I'm very concerned that there are people out there under the assumption that space planning is going to be part of plan B early on because there are so many other things that have to take precedence before we even consider space planning I mean, we're just talking to see we haven't talked about the rough we haven't talked about electrical upgrades or, or any kind of ADA compliance upgrades or anything like that so space planning is way down that list as far as priorities go. I mean we're if we have to fix what we have there is a lot and 15.8 million dollars it's just not going to get a space planning. It's just not. I think for me, I mean obviously I want the project to move forward but my biggest fear in not having a clear and concise plan and direction from the town is that if the project doesn't move forward. You know, we don't, we don't have another year or two. And I, I want to be from the meetings we had with Western builders it and the meetings we had with Cune riddle. My understanding in Georgia you can tell me differently is I mean there are cost savings to be had when we bundle things together so if we are. If the plan is to deal with things piecemeal, right, you know, based on sort of, as HVAC fails we fix HVAC, you know, when the town feels they have money again, then we deal with the atrium, you know, when the town feels there's funding again deal with the fire suppression system I mean if that's the plan. Then that's the plan, but we need to know that's the plan and we need to be able to use I'm looking ahead at, you know, be on joint capital planning committee and, you know, we've talked about, you know, the, they're one of the recommendations this year was to create an emergency fund or a more general fund for the library like has been created for the schools now and for the other town buildings. And I think how much money, you know, we're asking for in that fund is going to be directly predicated upon how long, how long are we drawing out 12 or 14 things that need to be done and so if we're going to plan and we're going to budget for this and you know we've asked our budget committee to come up with funding right for this 1.8 million. But I mean the HVAC system alone is going to be, I mean that's the 1.8 million we're doing is the HVAC that doesn't even, you know, get into any of the other of the other issues, but I just if we are going to make a plan we have to have information and I worry about not having something ready, you know, if town council takes a vote whatever day it is, you know, the next day if we're not ordering, you know, the new HVAC system which as we know is already going to take a year right we're a year from the day we make that order at least. So it's if it's not fully planned and you know somebody clicks the button, you know, then it's two years and and and we know we feel certainly HVAC system is not going to last that long so I just, I can't stress enough to town management, the importance of us moving forward with a plan. Sorry, I'll stop repeating myself this is very frustrating to me. I just wanted to what you were talking about JCPC, Alex, even if so if this as some of this goes to JCPC right just us having been there. Yeah this will obviously would go to JCPC is February of that's when the meeting start February of 2024. And then by the time the report comes out and some decisions have been made and what we've learned from this year is there are like that. What was it the snow thing that they needed I forgotten what it's called but the snow blower. No not the snow blower. There was a specific thing for whatever it was it was something really specific that came to the top of their request. And I mean it's still a year out to order something. So what do we look I mean if any of this went through it would be like 2025 2026. So we're going to sit in this old building. I mean, I wish we had some of like Sharon's positive energy around this, but it's just feeling like it's, you know, what are we giving our town. Right. And what are we giving our kids and our community if that is that were to be the case. Okay, so, so next steps do we want to ask Sharon to request that all, I mean we have a, I assume he's not going to be able to make it to our next trustee meeting. And is Paul the right person is it Paul and Sean is it having them from here I just I want to I want to have a some direction I guess from this committee about what we're asking Sharon to do in order to get the clarity that we're seeking. You know, so, so I was thinking having I thought it would be fastest, just to have him go to trustees. But we, we talked about it yesterday during the budget committee we're talking about it now during buildings and facilities. What else do we have coming. I mean those are the two big committees that that would be involved in this so most of the trustees are, you know, have talked about it so that's why I thought it's ready to go to trustees which I think is may 17th. Okay, right. May 17 that 5pm. So I, you know, I don't know that he could attend but I do you want to ask Austin what his thoughts are first as to whether or not he thinks the right procedure would be to go to trustees or should it start here. Yeah, I don't, I don't think it's probably our unilateral decision to make about, you know, coming to a trustee meeting. No, it would be an invitation certainly, certainly. Or, or at a, or at a minimum, you know, if Paul is unable to attend, you know, do we put together a document of, you know, here are the questions that we have and then it's a document that can be, you know, sort of like we did with town council when town council had all of their questions and you know, maybe, you know, we put together a document of, you know, here are the questions that we have and then have Sean and Paul answer them and then it's a document that we can produce for for the for the trustees meeting. So maybe that's something, you know, maybe you reach out to Paul and Austin, see if Paul wants to come and if not or can come and if not, we create this document so ideally it would be part of the packet for the trustee meeting on that 17. Oh, sorry, I just want to say the equipment was a top dresser. That's what it was called. George, you have any thoughts or. Yeah, I don't have any other thoughts than what I already stated. Just frustration. Yeah, you know, at the end of the day we're sitting on what 35 36 million dollars already. The thought of the town voting this down as that's super cringy. It is but the reality of the situation is that, you know, like putting a motion aside for a minute like we need to have a plan and we need to have a plan that's in the best interest of the building and you know, whatever it takes to make sure that this building is safe and operational and the best building we can have for the public is, you know, and that's what that's what we need to do. So, you know, I just, I think it's important that we get what we need from town so that everybody can. Everybody can live up to the agreement that was made. Right. Okay. Right. Sharon, it's, Sharon, it's a very Amherst problem. So Sharon, I'll wait to hear back from you then about whether we create a document or whether they're going to come to the trustee meeting and then. That's good. You know, and figure out the best way to do that so sounds good. Um, I don't have any topics. Not anticipated for me. With that, unless anybody has anything else. I'm going to call the meeting to a close at 941. Thank you to the three participants. I think we had four. Thank you for participating today. Appreciate you coming to the meeting. As I said, meetings reported and available shortly on the library. Thanks everybody. Thanks. Bye.