 Moving on to another Keanu Reeves property, The Matrix 4. This is one of those movies where every time I hear about it, I have to remind myself that this is real. It's actually happening and being made. It's currently scheduled for a 2021 release. There's no specific date. And filming began for it in San Francisco back in February. They moved to Berlin to continue the shoot but never actually got started due to this whole COVID-19 situation. But Variety reports that Warner Brothers has signed extensions with the entire cast to hold them until July 6th, which means that their hopeful production can resume by that date. Not a whole lot else has been revealed about the movie but every time it comes up, I just love to talk about it because I'm so curious about what a Matrix 4 could look like. First off, Adam, what are your feelings towards the Matrix franchise as a whole? Are you skeptical of a Matrix 4 or are you just, I can't wait to see what they come up with? I can't wait. So this came out when we were kids and the whole series had this mystique about it. And I went and re-watched the first two Matrix movies over this last year and they definitely held up. I know the third one won't live up to those first two but I will re-watch that eventually. Wait, Matrix 2 held up, you said. Yeah, I loved it. Really, I haven't revisited that movie in years. I remember feeling like after I saw Matrix Reloaded, I loved it. And then after Matrix 3, I remember it kind of ruined Matrix 2 for me because it was a situation where they built things up and you're like, how is this gonna end? And then I was not very pleased with how it ended so it kind of ruined 2 for me. Right, because they didn't answer the questions that 2 raised in an appropriate way. Well, I'm sure Matrix 4 will answer all of them. So that's my whole, I'm picturing it unless you know more than me about it right now but as kind of a soft reboot, maybe. Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming it is, but they are bringing back a lot of the original cast members. Keanu Reeves, Carrie Ann Moss, weirdly, his name escapes me right now, Morpheus. Yeah. Lawrence Fishburne. Lawrence Fishburne has not been brought back but there's tons of rumors that a young Morpheus will appear in the movie. Time travel. Ooh, maybe. Or it could be they've rebooted the simulation, it's going through a cycle and it's at the part of the cycle where Morpheus is younger. But Keanu Reeves is older for some reason. I have this feeling like we're gonna do some really interesting things, especially because since the Matrix, there have been so many shows about simulation and consciousness and all this stuff. They must have so many ideas by now. It feels like the perfect time to bring it back. We keep talking about how every show we're watching and talking about on this channel have so many overlapping themes. Devs, Westworld, Upload, everybody is fascinated by the idea of a simulation of human consciousness. Matrix was there first back in the late 90s, so they're coming back. Lana Wachowski is saying, let me show you how it's done, hopefully. And I don't think they would, it's not like this was inevitable that there had to be a Matrix four. I don't see why they would have brought it back unless they had a really good idea for it. That's what I'm hoping. And the Wachowskis have spoken against the idea of a Matrix sequel in the past. So for Lana Wachowski to return, exactly like you said, that tells me she's got a great idea. This is a passion project. It's not a cash grab. It's what I'm hoping. A few other thoughts on the Matrix. You just reminded me of this. When you said as children, this movie had a sort of mystique about it. I was 10 years old when the first Matrix came out. And I remember it looked so cool in all the commercials, but of course it was R rated, so I couldn't see it. I remember I had a friend of mine over. We were hanging out in this very basement. And his parents let him see it. And I begged him to tell me, I'm like, what is the Matrix? His eyes got all weird and he starts going, I can't tell you, man, you've got to see it for yourself. It's unexplainable. Take this pill. And in retrospect, I think you didn't actually see it. Because it's not that hard to explain what the Matrix is. He just wanted to be one of the cool kids. Oh, he may have been making a reference to the movie where Morpheus says you have to see it for yourself. But he must have known that the only person in the room who would get that reference is him. Maybe he made the joke for himself. It was just a nice little joke for himself. He sent you an AIM chat later that day, like follow the way around it. You know, I'm calling it tonight. I'm going to give him crap for this. The other thing, Alon, you were talking about just as when we were younger and these came out, how excited we were after the Matrix 2. This was the first sci-fi franchise I was this bought in on. It was, I was so hyped for the Matrix 3, I could not wait for it to come out. And it was mind blowing. The idea of filming the Matrix 2 and 3 together. So after you watch the second one, they can end on a big cliffhanger. You know there's another movie coming. Couldn't wait for it. I remember in the final showdown between Agent Smith and I was about to say John Wick. And Neo, my hands were literally shaking. I was so excited. So I've always hoped that Matrix would return. They would resurrect the franchise, find some way to sort of redeem it because everyone's been so down on it looking back at 2 and 3. So I want it to be really good. You know, and with 2 and 3 being filmed at the same time, not only did we know there would be a third afterward, they also came out the same year, which was amazing. That was a bunch of right. So we didn't have to wait a whole year to see what happens. Yeah. And also the other thing about those movies is they introduced Bullet Time. And at the time, Super Influential, even Shrek 2, I think, utilized it. Max Payne, Max Payne, yeah. So I hope that they're keeping this in mind and are actually trying to think of some innovative, new cinematic techniques they can introduce. I would love if this could be just as influential. Right, what's the next Bullet Time? I can't even imagine a little bit. I think Jason Bourne tried to make the next Bullet Time like a shaky camera where you can't tell what's going on. You literally cannot see anything that's going on on screen. It's also, it's a whole new landscape right now for action. After seeing it, we keep bringing it up with the raid, Fury Road, the Matrix has its work cut out for it. It's going to be interesting to see if they even try to top it or they say, you know what? We're not worried about action. We just want to tell a great story. Maybe that's the way to go. Just don't put all that pressure on ourselves. With Keanu, I want Matrix 4 to basically be action-wise. John Wick with Bullet Time. Yeah. Hacking, I don't know. Syfy, John Wick, that would be all I need to love this movie. Yeah, so I've got a question for you guys. There's three major Keanu Reeves franchises that are getting sequels in the coming year or so. And I want you to rank your excitement level from at least to most excited. John Wick 4, The Matrix 4, or Bill and Ted Face the Music. For me, it's the order that you listed them in. Yeah. Wait, so Bill and Ted is number one? I don't know, in order most to least. I'm excited for all of them, but I think based on our respective ages, you guys had more of an attachment to Bill and Ted than I did. I was too young for it. We had a weird attachment to Bill and Ted because we recorded off WB Saturday afternoon movies. Bill and Ted, not excellent adventure, but bogus journey, the second one. We kept that tape in our VCR for years and just watched that movie over and over again. So I don't even know if I'd say I loved Bill and Ted, but it is so wired into my brain that I have a deep nostalgia for it. I forget what order you said, but for me, I would say Matrix 4. I'm looking forward to this. Yeah, because think about it. John Wick, it's so much closer in time to the previous one. I think we have an idea of what to expect from the next one, even though I'll still love it, I'm sure. I can't picture them doing anything that shocks me. I hear John Wick 4, and I literally feel my mouth salad. No, I mean, I think I really am just as excited as you. But I think my excitement for Matrix 4 is just a little bit higher because I'm so curious what they're going to do with it. Yeah, I think I have a weird feeling about it because if you told me I could only have one of the two movies, I would say give me John Wick 4. But what I'm more excited about is maybe Matrix 4 just because it's got that added mystery to it where I just want to know what they're going to do with it. I'm super curious about it. After all these years of Keanu Reeves playing fairly serious or quiet, intense roles, it'll be fun to see him in Bill and Ted. Yeah, and I'm curious to see if they reference what he's become. Will he show off some kung fu skills in Bill and Ted, or will he just be back to his old ways? Is he going to shave? I don't know. I don't know. I'm very curious to see what that movie looks like. I can't wait. Any other thoughts on the Matrix, Keanu Reeves? Keanu Reeves, from the beginning of my familiarity with him through the Matrix, has only gained stock more and more throughout his career with me. What's your reaction if you go to see John Wick 4 and towards the end of the movie, puts his sunglasses on, and he goes, call me Neo. Crossover. I mean, that'd be amazing.