 Okay. Good morning everyone. Welcome to the metering hour today. Thank you for joining us. I just request somebody to please pray and get started. Any one of the students who joined us could pray that we can get started. Do you want to welcome the students? Go and mute the mics and pray. Heavenly Father, we just wish to thank you for this hour of mentoring Father. Father, we just pray that you will minister to us Father in this hour. Speak to us Father and help us Lord in the areas of our lives where we may be struggling or where we need to submit our serenity to you Father. Let thy word minister to us Father. Bless us this morning Father. I pray for blessing upon every member of the faculty and every single student of the Bible College too Father. In Jesus's precious name we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Sanjay. Thank you so much. Good morning everyone and welcome to this mentoring hour. So essentially in the mentoring hour we just like to keep it as a time where you know we can share on different topics and themes so we kind of have a focus to for that mentoring hour. But then we keep it open for anything. You can ask any kind of question on life, Christian life, Christian ministry, growing in faith, how do you do ministry practically so on and so forth. So although we have a focus area each Thursday the intent is first to be available to share on any area that we that we want to ask about or discuss about. I'm just going to begin there. So today we're talking a little bit on church and technology. That's the theme of focus area for today. I'll just start upon versus scripture and then share some things and you know for about 10 minutes and then leave it open for any questions. Questions can be on this particular topic which is church and technology or of course you know we could talk about anything else that you want to discuss. So I just want to read from one first Corinthians chapter 9 and versus let me just read verse 19 to 22. This is going to read this passage. Paul is really talking about the preaching of the gospel and he shares his motivation here. He says, although I am free from all men, I've made myself a servant to all that I might win them all to the Jews of the Kingdom of the Jew, that I might win Jews to those who are under the law as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law, to those who are without law as without law, not being without law to a God but under law to a Christ, that I might win those who are without law. To the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men that I might by all means save some. You see the motivational apostle Paul that he's talking about various kinds of people that he's preaching out to the Jews, to the Greeks, to those who are walking under the law, those who are outside of the realm of the law and he's saying, look I'm getting into their world, I've become like them, I step into their world in order to reach them. So essentially it ended verse 22 he says, I've become all things to all men that I might by all means save some. I'm getting into people's worlds, getting into their culture, their world view, their way they live life, getting in there in order to go this, I want to reach them with a gospel. So today in a world of technology, so many people are connected to technology, using technology, you know, perhaps Paul would have included that, you know, if I said look I'm going into that space, I'm reaching people there because I want to, you know, share Jesus with them. So, you know, I'm just going to share a little bit on church and technology and then we can take questions on this thing or anything else that you feel you want to talk about today. So when you talk about technology, you know, many times we think about computers, phones, the internet, of course that's a very big part of what we're talking about and that's a big part where everybody is engaged in. But in technology, we also need to keep in mind that the technology space includes everything, like what we use in church and ministry, which would include, you know, the audio equipments that they use in church and include the media equipment, the, you know, all the equipment that we use for video productions or presentations inside the service, church services, meetings, etc. And everything else. So technology, the use of technology is widespread and affects many different areas. And, you know, we'll just touch on a few things. I just want to run through some, you know, faxed and all of these are taken from the online source so you can go in and this report as of July 2023 has lots of information and it's really good and more than, I think, 100 slides are there with information on it and just sharing a few slides. So if you look at this data here, you know, in our world, about eight, little over eight billion people, 57% of them live in cities out of which about 5.56 billion people, about almost 70% are using a mobile phone users. But 70% of the world's population are using mobile phones. So it's like, hey, if you want to reach 70, we have immediate access if you're using mobile phones. Close to 65% and that may rise, you know, it may just go up even further. It's continuing to go further. Close to 65% are connected to the internet and 60% are using some form of social media. So mobile phones, internet, social media, these are three big spaces or opportunities for us where we can reach a huge part of the population. Of course, there are people who are not connected. So that same data is here in statement form. So there are still about 2.8 billion people who are unconnected, mainly in these regions of the world, Southern, South and East Asia and some parts of Africa. So yeah, there are people who are not yet connected, but a huge number of people, close to 70%, 60 plus percent of the people are already connected. And they use some form of the internet, mobile phone or social media. So it's a big opportunity for us. If you look at how much time people spend, you know, on the internet, on an average, daily average, so on different kinds of media, this is a huge number, about six hours, almost seven hours spent on the internet, watching broadcasts, streaming about three hours per day, social media about two and a half hours per day, almost two hours reading online content, music almost one and a half hours every day, listening to streaming music or almost an hour listening to podcast radio, podcast almost an hour and again almost an hour a day spent playing games. So you can see, you know, this is the kind of time people are engaging, but this is where they are spending so much of their time online. If you look at the kind of video content that people are consuming, and this is ages 60 to 64, on a weekly basis, you know, 90% of watching some form of video every week, music videos, at least 50%, other kinds of videos, you know, and you can look at these things in detail, but all of this is giving us an idea that even, you know, these are opportunities for us. This is where the, you know, where the world is spending their time online. And so even educational content, a good number of 25% of, you know, looking at education content, let's say it's great. If you look at social media news, again, you can see here, this data, of course, doesn't always represent unique individuals, it's just general data. Like we already mentioned, you know, what 4.8 billion people have their social media identities, and it's engaging in some form of social media news. And you can look at the time spent on a daily time, but at least two and a half hours, people are spending on some form of social media news. You can see the distribution between male and female, close to each other. So again, social media becomes a huge profession for us. And why are people typically using social media? 50% generally are using it to stay in touch with people. But you can look at this, almost 40% are people spending time on social media because they don't know what else to do with their time. Just think about it, you know, when people are free, where do they turn to, you know, we should think of people who play games or watch it or do something else. Today when people are free, they don't have anything to do, what do they do? They turn to social media. And that's close to, you know, 40%. So it's almost like when you have free time, where are you going to be? You're going to be online on social media. So that's a huge opportunity for us. That means it's like people are exposing their free time, making it available online and saying, hey, do something to me while I don't have anything to do, kind of approach. And of course, there are all other reasons why people use social media. So for us to, you know, very quickly, why should we even think of technology? Why is this important to us? Because it gives us an opportunity to reach people without interfering with them in a non-intrusive way. So we're not forcing ourselves into that, but we're not knocking on their doors, making them open their moment and saying, I'm coming in, sitting in the non-intrusive way. We're able to reach people. Some other reason why we use technology is it can improve what we do in our services. It can improve the efficiency in how we serve people today, especially in urban, as we said, over 50% of the people today, almost 60% are living in urban centers in cities. So people expect this level of efficiency from the church. And then of course, there are other internal reasons, you know, we can store records, we can look at data, a lot of other benefits of using technology. So what I want to do today is I just want to share a little bit about what we're doing at ABC. You know, of course, it's not everything. There's a lot, a lot more happening, what we are doing at ABC and definitely what other ministries and churches are using, how they're using technology. I just want to take five minutes, very quickly give you just a little flavor of how, what we are doing, what opportunities are there, and then you open up the questions. I of course, we're only covering everything. So there is a bit where we use technology, of course, is the assembly services and we talk about the sound presentation, audio, video, live streaming, we use the internet, social media for internal operations, for communications with people and lots of other areas. The kinds of platforms we're using, so our website, so we basically have six main websites. Some of them are not completed yet, we're still working on it. But we use an open source platform called Chimlum and that's all our websites are built using this technology. And I just want to give you an idea of how, you know, the our APCW.org website just this one year, and we can, you know, we can see this data year on year, but just this one year, that is from January 1 to September, we've had people from 212 countries come, about more than 500 cities, they come to our church website, about 187 or close to 188,000 visits. This may not be unique visitors. We've seen, say, 5,200 plus downloads of our content, you know, so that means people from more than 200 countries are coming to our church website. They're downloading things that they're making available and they're using it, you know, and so it's like, you know, we imagine that we had to travel to 212 countries, so if we had to physically distribute our resources in 212 countries, it would be so expensive, it would be so difficult to do in a single year. But just in the last, you know, nine months or so, this has happened that people have taken our resources and they're using it all over the world. So it's such an opportunity and this is just one of our websites. For the e-learning platform, some of you are using the e-learning platform, we use, again, another open source product called OpenedX and it's helping us, you know, serve students in almost 100 countries and more than 2,000 students are online and, you know, some have, of course, finished their studies with some are studying with us. But it's a great opportunity for us to be able to use a platform like this to serve students from over 100 countries. For our internal systems, we use a lot of, again, all of these open source, that means we don't have to pay to buy these products, their open source products. We, for managing our human resources time reporting, we use, you know, a product called Orange Charity from our mail servers for looking at, you know, what's happening on websites, we use this, manage individual data, use a church management system, we manage data for members in the congregation of people across India, Bible college students, all of that. We have three instances of ROC, ROC RMS, which we use internally to run projects, we will be using this. And then to manage our content, we use something called Bookstack to manage inventory, we use another product called Snack. So just to give you an idea that we're actually using a lot of different software to help us do a lot of things internally, and then help us do other ministry work. Externally, to communicate with people, we have a church app, which, you know, that's available. We are working on a new version of this, so the old version will go away, the new version will come out. And, you know, people are getting used to working on apps, so we're trying to move all our intellectuals to using church apps, WhatsApp communications is a big thing. We use a service provider for us to communicate. Another interesting thing is, you know, we don't need to buy hardware. You know, imagine if you came to our office and our office space was filled with big, big machines to host all these things. We don't do that in all our all our software systems that we're running are all hosted on what we call as cloud service providers. So basically we just buy the use of computing power from different service providers, and there are different reasons why we use different providers. I won't get into those details, but we run different websites, different products on different cloud service providers so that they serve different purposes. But basically the point is we don't, we don't have to go buying the hardware or buying the software, the operating systems, the computing power. We don't have to physically set up ourselves. We can just go to these cloud service providers, buy what we need, and only pay for what we use, which makes it so easy these days to get set up. We can always change anytime we want. And right now, for example, we're using Google Cloud, this is classroom, Zen and Google Cloud. We have a subscription here, and that's how we do our classes. Lastly, or maybe last two slides, social media, all of your familiar, where we put our content on this on social media, make it available to people. That's that's pretty common information. And last slide, I just want to mention, you know, so there's tremendous opportunities available. As we look ahead, one is, you know, we can, you know, maybe five years ago, or maybe even 10 years ago, we didn't have enough, and we wanted to build something, you know, it was so much of work, you know, if you wanted to build something for web and for Android and for iOS, you had to have three separate code bases, you know, for each platform. But today, technology is simple, where you can write four to once, and you can deploy it, you can run on the web, you can run on any device. And we are moving our church app to that, it's building an app that you can run on any device, just with one code base. It's a great opportunity, it meets our life so much easier for IoT teams. We can, you know, and there are tremendous opportunities available to us with the advancements and artificial intelligence, machine learning, and just some examples would be live language translation. Some of you may have already used it, you know, you can say something in English and you can get it out to our Hindi or whatever, you know, so you can actually use that for our advantage to reach people. We can do, you know, recommendations to individuals or between individuals, we can recommend content, then we can generate new things based on old content. So example, if we want to create a promo banner for a certain event, say like a marriage family conference, we can actually use AI to generate this content for us. You know, it can look at our old data and it can come up with something new, staying aligned to what the data we trained on. So we can use, we can use this like assistance, that means people can ask questions and imagine, you know, we are responding, giving them answers based on our content. So we ask, you know, what is healing? How do I receive divine healing? How do I overcome depression? You know, the system can actually give them very intelligent answers, but based on the content, using our servants, our videos, our books, you can actually respond to that. Now, it's not the best, but it's an alternative, right? The best would be to be able to speak to a person, but in case a person is not there, at least there's some response that people get. And last thought, you know, where we can use AI is when people are doing searches, we can give very intelligent answers. Rather than giving, you know, like just links and go look up all these links, we can take the information there and give it, give them a very, you know, like a, almost like a human person speaking to them based on the searches. So these are, they're just a few examples of opportunities that are there, how we can use technology and actually serve people in the ministry. Right. So that's it. I'll just pause here and I will, in this open up time for questions, and you're welcome to ask questions on the use of technology, certain technology, or you can ask about anything else, right? So don't limit yourself to this particular topic. Anything else in church, in life, in the ministry, you're welcome to ask us. And all our faculty are here to help you. Thank you. Okay. If nobody's going to ask questions, I'm going to call out some names. Go ahead and anybody have any questions on the topic or you want to ask anything else, you're welcome to do that, please. You can unmute your mic and ask questions or you can type it in the chat as well. Good morning, Pastor. Thank you so much for sharing about church and technology. My question is, if there's a pastor who is not well versed with technology at all, now, how can he utilize the power of technology and get his ministry growing? So any thoughts on that, Pastor? Thank you. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for the question. Yeah. So some of these areas that we've mentioned are very, very simple, very easy to use. For example, you know, setting up social media accounts, setting up a YouTube channel or using WhatsApp. So I think some of these things are easy to learn, easy to use. And I think, for example, if a pastor is not familiar with even social media or using these things that we mentioned, I think one good thing to go about it is to encourage young people in his church or his congregation to take this on and do it for the church, you know. So I think it becomes a great opportunity to engage young people in the ministry and give them, you know, like the, just empower them and say, hey, you do it. And I think, so it would help the ministry to help engage young people in the church. All the pastors to say, hey, you do it, and I'm backing you up. So, you know, young people can set up the social media accounts, they can help in live streaming. So get some, you know, and usually, I would say, the young people are very good in these things. So they can participate and all the pastors who have this as a vision for it and just give them the room and spaces and go for it. And I think that's a great way that, you know, they can do it. Of course, then other things is to reach out to others, other churches, others who have the expertise to help. Okay, Robs, so I think that's Ren. Ren's question is, at every church, if there is a new technology element, have the church, will you recommend it or not? Or would you just stick with what you already are using? So usually, Ren, we try to keep moving, keep up with technology. So we, we have to make the mode. So right now, for example, we are moving, so our church app, for example, let's just give me the church app as an example. Our church app was deployed in 2017, so that is six years ago. Now we are building, we are reworking that with current technology. And in fact, we are forced to do it because our current, you know, whatever platform that we deployed in is actually expiring on chapter 31, 2024. So in one way, we're actually being forced to, and we only thought of doing it, but we're actually forced to rebuild it with new technology. So my answer to your question is yes, we need to keep up with technology. We have to always be looking forward, which means we have to let go of the old, move into the new, and, you know, the opportunities and the challenges are there, and we have to keep moving. Yeah. I hope that, I hope I answered your question. Gert, what do you know? Is there any training required for artificial intelligence? Gert, yeah. So it really depends. Like, for example, all of us are actually already using tools and technologies that are based on AI. For example, when you're writing a document, in Word or if you're using Google Docs, you get auto correction suggestions, all of that is actually AI telling you that, hey, you need to check your spelling, you need to check your grammar. So to use the tools that are actually made available to us through AI, that's pretty intuitive. When we're using Google Maps or, you know, when you're doing online shopping and things are being committed to you, all of that is behind all of that is artificial intelligence, you know, making recommendations and so on. So all of us are actually using it, but if you want to build something using AI, that requires a lot of training. For example, right now, one of the things we're working on is to build a people recommendation engine, that's what I like for changing. That means a person A is a mentor, he has certain skills, there's a person B who's looking for a mentee, artificial intelligence can intelligently max these people and give them a ranking. So this person is 99% close to what you need, this person is 95% close to you and you can make this decision of who. So I'm actually looking on getting that built, but to do that, you need to understand how the math and the technology, so it's both mathematics and how that works behind it. So if you want to build something, yeah, you need to understand it. If you got to use it, it's pretty initiative in your sense. Any other questions? So, Kennedy, how do you handle this? Do you want to ask the question, Kennedy? Good morning. Mine was, I think you've answered my question. My question was on artificial intelligence and things like chat GDP, how you could use that but now I understand, because I've seen cases where people try to link their summons to that, which I think is by passing the Holy Spirit. Why should I use chat GDP or artificial intelligence to make a summons? Well, I think now I understand it better. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So, there's nothing wrong when using the tools, but of course, when you're writing a sermon, we have to listen to the Holy Spirit, but we definitely, there's nothing wrong with using the tools to help you search for something to find. Then we listen to the Holy Spirit to do that. Okay, Ren's got another question. There's the media team of APC to develop an app or software technology for the benefit of the church. I think you're saying when you say church, you mean the congregation, meaning the world-wide church globally. You mean the world-wide church, everybody. So, as of now, we have not developed something that other people can use. We haven't done that. Our IT team. So, the media team handles things like the video audio, IT team handles all the software. So, our IT team hasn't done that. But what we are willing to do is, to some extent, share up an audience. The reason I say to some extent is because our people are busy doing the work that we already have. Every week, there's so much work to be done in media and technology. So, our teams are busy doing their work itself. But if somebody reaches out and asks questions or some guidance, we are more than happy to share knowledge, share experience, share learning. But in a limited sense, that means we don't have the time to go and build it for them, because we already have our own work going on. But whatever knowledge we have, whatever experience, we're happy to share it freely. There's no problem with that. But to answer your question, Ren, we have not built something that we can give it up to others. We haven't done that yet. Any other questions or anything? You don't have to. Okay. So, that's an interesting question here from Sanjay. How do we help ministry youngsters who are so addicted to online gay social media, and they don't spend enough time in the real world? That's a very good question. If you go to our church website, we actually did a workshop last year on social media. Let me just share that link. So, we have those workshop notes available on our church website. Let me just share that with you. But this is a good question, because our parents and young people are struggling with it. So, here's the link. If you go to our church website, workshops, you'll find some workshops that we did last year. The PDFs with the content that we used on how to address this, social media addiction, and so on, and a lot of good online resources that we can use. So, if you have time, you can go to our church website, download these PDFs, and make use of it. But let me just give you a few thoughts here. So, the fact is, this is a problem, that not only kids, but even adults are addicted. Like you saw there, the second most important reason why people use social media is they just want to occupy their time. So, even adults are like that. You don't even need to double check your phone, go on your Instagram or Facebook, even us adults are like that. So, in some way, even adults are kind of addicted to this, because it's almost like our first response. When you have free time, and I think you do on the phone. So, everybody from teenagers to adults are kind of like that. And then, before we realize it, it becomes a natural response, it becomes even an addiction. So, it is more so, definitely, it's more so among the younger generation, because they are by, yeah, they call them as digital natives. That means they grew up with that. For adults, it's an acquired thing, it's an adaptive thing that over time. So, I think one is we need to be very intentional to separate ourselves from our digital world. If you look in the old times, people used to separate themselves from the world to go away into a time and space where they could meditate, they could reflect and so on. Today, we have to do something similar, but our separation is from the digital world, which is actually more progressive. It means the digital world is with us all the time, like it's on our phone, the phone is in our pocket, it's so close to us all the time. So, we have to intentionally separate ourselves from our digital world, whether young or old, we have to do that. That means de-intentionally leaving the phone. So, we, you'll find in that PDS, we've shared some very practical things that when you come to the dinner table, don't bring your phone to the dinner table. When you're sitting as a family, no, you don't use phones. So, these are simple things that families can adapt, households can adapt. Both adults and teens or youth are intentionally separating themselves from the digital world or have those times when there is no use of media. And then, or, so that's one thought and there's a lot of good ideas in the PDF on this message. The other thing is the time that you do spend, use it in a very meaningful way because not everything online is bad, lots of good things online. That means there's a lot of education. So, a lot of learning that most of us do today is through digital media. Previously, we used to read physical books. Some people still do that, but for many of us, you know, while we're driving, you're listening to podcasts, you're listening to educational information that's building you up. So, the second suggestion is the time that you do use instead of using it or just watching some entertainment and timelapse book for some little bit of time, but spend it in a very constructive way. So, we're not saying don't use digital media, but use it in a very constructive way. For young people or teenagers, if they guide them and say, hey, look, these are some good things you can do while you're online, you can learn things. It's just channeling them in a very positive way to get the benefit of the digital world. These are just two thoughts. There's a lot more in those periods that you could use. Okay. Can you suggest measures to restrict limits of some media usage? Okay. Yes. Once again, I'll refer you to the same periods in our workshops. There's a lot of ideas there, you know, on how families, households can restrict and use of media. So, like I said, you know, you could intentionally, as a family say, then we are having meals, no phones on the table. When we are sitting together in family time, no phones. Nowadays, you know, on mobile phones, you can actually turn off, you can set your own timing like on your phones when it blacks out the screen. So, it's like a nighttime mode. So, you can put nighttime mode. So, then it kind of just tells you, hey, you're not supposed to be using the phone right now. So, between example, 11pm to 5am, you put a nighttime mode setting on your phone, it blacks out everything. So, those are the things. And like I said earlier, the time you do spend online, use it very profitably, do some learning, listening to good podcasts, things like that. Okay. But a lot more ideas in the pdrs, workshop pdrs. Okay, see the other. If someone wants to detox from social media, and the other side is you want to do online ministry, how can we balance both of these things. Yeah. So, see, like I said, technology is not bad in itself. So, the media and technology in itself is, you know, it's a tool that we can use. So, it's how we use it, what we do with it is what we must decide on. So, it's basically us taking charge of our time and making sure we use our time very profitably. So, for example, myself, I intentionally don't have any personal social media accounts that I use. So, I don't have a Facebook account. I have an Instagram account, but I only follow three people. My own family members and, you know, the church thing, just to see what our media team is doing. So, I just, it's intentional. I just stay out of this because I don't have time and I choose not to put time into it. Some people may want to do it. It's their choice. So, I don't have these social media accounts. I almost spend zero time on social media. Maybe half of that. I quickly look, okay, what's happening on, you know, all people's YouTube channel, what's happening on our, you know, Facebook, or sometimes I don't even go there. But just to see what our teams are doing and what we're seeing they work, that's all I do. So, I think these are choices we can make. But I do spend a lot of time using technology when we want to do things for ministry sake. So, the point is, we are in charge. We can decide how much time we want to spend on social media. And so, I would say if it's, if somebody's, you know, finding it difficult, then just cut it off. But do meaningful things on using technology and use meaningful things so that your ministry work can go on. So, it's a choice we can make. I hope it helps. And that's what he reads. Okay. Metro stars. Talking about how to mitigate the cost of managing media tech in a church setup. That's a very good question. So, you know, this is a struggle. So, thank you for asking that question, for pointing that out. This has struggled many of us urban churches have. You know, how much money and how much resources should we actually invest in technology while we are still aware that, especially let's say in our context, the Indian context, there is still a good percentage of people who don't use it. Like, so we saw in the statistics that even though, you know, about two-thirds of the world population is connected, there is a one-third of the world population that is not connected and that one-third is lying in Southeast Asia. That's where people are not connected and some parts of Africa. So, for us, the thing that we have to keep thinking about is, hey, how much resources should we put into media and technology for our own benefit to, you know, to serve our own people. While there's so many people out there who are not going to benefit from our investment in technology, they have to be reached through traditional means like printed books and people going there doing missions and so on. You know, so that is a big struggle. And actually, the sad part is the reality is the church, I'm talking about the global church, if you look at it, the global church is putting huge amounts of money in media technology. If you look at that, you know, if you look at how much money is going into media technology, whereas very little amount is going into one-third of the people who still need to be reached who are still not connected. You know, so that's a real conscience checker, you know, the question. So, thanks, Kennedy, for asking it. So, there's always that struggle and we have to, especially example, be living in Southeast Asia or living in a part of the world where this is a reality. The Western world may not even think about it because, you know, all the people are already connected or most of them are already connected. Whereas for us, we know that a huge number of people are not connected. So, that struggle is always there. So, when other media team, you know, comes and says, we want to buy a camera, we want to buy this, we want to do that. And, you know, this is a very conscious, you know, a conscious checking decision. Yes, go ahead. We can reach more people, but at the same time, hey, a lot of people will not be affected by this investment. They can only be reached through the traditional means. And so, we have to be careful. And that's something, you know, every church has to decide. But the fact is, too much is being done, you know, and enough is being done to reach the one third. I'll just say, I'll stop with that, you know. Okay, one, maybe one or two more questions. Defina, from your point of view, what are the three important things that needs to be taken care by someone who has an online ministry? And so, I think, you know, someone doing ministry online, a good question, interesting question. Somebody doing ministry online. I think the focus and the priority has always, it should always be cannot. First thing is, is there a way that I can administer the people in person? And online is good. But remember, online is only secondary to person-to-person ministry. But there are conveniences to doing ministry online, there are advantages to doing ministry online, but it can never replace person-to-person ministry. There's so much that happens when you meet somebody person-to-person, you sit across and talk in the table that you cannot do through the online approach. So, we have to be very conscious of it and say, you know, hey, I cannot let online ministry replace what I need to do person-to-person, you know, by touching people really. So, that's one thing I would say we should be mindful of while we're doing online ministry, be mindful of it. What are the three important things that need to be taken care of? So, sorry, I don't want to answer, you know, give you, talk about things that you may not be looking for. Are you talking about while doing online ministry or are you talking ministry in general or are you talking about, okay, how can I do online ministry better? What was, what is the direction of the question? I hope you can hear me first. Yes, go ahead. I just want to know, like, someone is leading an online ministry, what are the three major things that needs to be taken care of? What are the priorities should be like that must be like a main focus as we are leading? Because I believe it's not only a ghost posting contents or just posting some random videos, I believe it's more about connecting with the people over there. So, what are, from your point of view, what would be the three major things that needs to be taken care of? Okay, okay, I understand the question. Sorry, I was going in a different direction. Yeah, so first, the most important thing is I will say keep it real, right? The problem with online ministry is, and what we call, what we call this, what we generally call as an online persona. That means the online persona that is created is very different from who the person is in reality. And this is what is actually happening. So, we have all these big influencers, we even Christian ministries, they look very nice online, but they're very different in reality. So what's seen online, the online persona of an individual or an organization or a ministry is actually very different from ground reality. And sometimes this happens intentionally because they just kind of create this persona, sometimes it happens unintentionally. So my first thing would be, hey, keep it real as real as possible, because the tendency with online ministry is you can do anything, you can pretend to be anything you want online, and nobody will know, nobody will know what reality is. So first thing, keep it real. It's almost like what you see online is what people should experience in person. Don't create a false persona. Don't create a false reality or false expression of what reality is. So that's the first thing I would say. And we have to be very watchful about when we're engaging in online ministry, otherwise the online looks everything looks great. The second thing is while we're doing online ministry, we have the benefit of reaching lots of people, but see how when they're, the personal touch can be brought about that one-on-one connects through online. So I would put that as a very important part of part of doing online ministry is to establish personal connection. So while the thing is there, you know, people can enjoy your sermon, but what does it mean, you know, whom when they connect to, to talk about it, ask questions or take that and apply it to their own personal lives, their personal connect. So this is a big challenge, even which we are struggling with in our Bible college is that, okay, we have students doing online courses, which is nice, but how can we serve them personally? How can we get involved in their lives? Every student is having something different going on in their lives. They're having some questions. How can we answer it? How can we minister to the very person well? So that is an important part. While online ministry is giving us a great opportunity, it also has this drawback and how to bridge that, how to make a person connect. So that would be some third thing that I would think about meeting online ministry. And thirdly, I would say, you know, direct people back, people back to local churches. So, you know, sometimes I hear people say, I am part of a church, somewhere there, you know, some other country, I am part of that church. And I think about how ridiculous that is because that church may not even know you're part of that congregation. So it's okay to connect and, you know, participate in an online service, but that doesn't mean you are part of that local church community. You know, that church you're watching online service is another part of the world. But you need to belong to a local church community in where you are physically connected to serving people. So I would say whatever online ministry we do, we need to guide people back to their local churches. These will be at least in my mind at this moment, three of these topics. Okay, we are out of time. Let me start to see if we can take these last two questions. Anand, about the organizations which are there to connect people around the world with the local churches of course, which connect people to local churches of course. Yeah, Anand, I'm not too sure. I think, you know, we'll have to just Google. I think I would say Google the church near me or churches near me and, you know, they will help you find churches in those areas. But I don't know if one organization can root universally in every part of the world. I'm not aware of that. Okay, so the wrap up for today because we need to get ready for our classes and I don't want to hold that up. Thank you so much for this engaging time. I appreciate all the questions. You can always pick this up some other time. Somebody close in prayer please and dismiss us. Thank you. So if you know you want to close in prayer or somebody, then go as a connection. Yes, Pastor. Dear heavenly Father, we come to you under the name of Jesus. We thank you for this day. We thank you for this time of mentoring our that we had. We thank you for the social platforms, the technology that has developed. God, we just pray that whatever you have given us, the talents that you have filled us with. God, we pray that we will use it in the right way to glorify your kingdom and whatever we have learned through this mentoring art, we will apply it in your life and we will live for your glory. Bless everyone who has joined here in the name of Jesus. We give you all the glory and honor in Jesus' name we pray. Thank you everyone. God bless. Enjoy your class today. Have a good day. Bye.