 I mean there's some people out there that like all their phenos and stuff that they get found get found by other people because those breeders don't crack them themselves. Oh yeah. They make them name them, package them, sell them and then they find out through others whether or not anything good happened. Oh yeah. You know I would say that's kind of become the standard these days a little bit but in the era that Ion Lonesome is talking about which is you know 15 plus years ago or whatever I don't think that was the standard.