 Good morning, everyone. I'm Betsy Koh and this is a twice a month session that we have via Zoom, which is a Q&A session for new members and not so new members, just anyone who likes this mode of learning. And I think that there are many ways you can get your questions answered about WikiTree, but sometimes just like the direct feedback of a conversation and being able to screen share is very helpful for some people. You may, so welcome, a big welcome to everybody who's, you can see on the screen with me today, and you may also be watching us on YouTube later because these get recorded and uploaded. So if you're watching on YouTube and you think, wow, I want to come to the next one, just make sure you're following the new members tag and then it'll show up in your G2G feed. So I've been on WikiTree about four and a half years, roughly, and it was, I still remember the learning curve was quite steep. I did not have a background in WikiCode, which Steve, who you'll hear from in a second, Steve has an extensive background. So I think it might be easier for someone with that background, but I just did a lot of trial and error and asking questions and made myself a cheat sheet and eventually got functioning. But I'm still learning. I mean, the WikiTree is vast and there's a lot you can always be learning new tricks and things. My time on WikiTree is on a couple of projects. I'm a member of the England, Scotland, Wales and Canada project. And I just volunteered to lead up the new Taiwan project. And then in terms of functional projects, I'm a mentor, which means that I work with anyone who needs help one-on-one for a short period of time to get them up and running on WikiTree. And I'm also a member of the, or a co-leader of the events committee. So when there's things like the connectathon that we had recently, or the rock challenge, or any of those things you read about under events in G2G, I'm involved in that. And so is Steve. So with me this morning, I have Steve Greenwood and Murray Maloney and Hilary Gadsby. So we're all here to help you. Could you each introduce yourself? Steve, you want to go first? Yeah. So again, for those who don't know me, I'm Steve Greenwood or Steven. I was a Wiki founder back in 2005. So yes, I have extensive experience with Wiki Markup, which is the brackets or any of the links or anything like that you find on the Wiki. That is secondary to HTML that we use for citations or inline citations. So yeah, I've been involved in the Wiki sphere for quite a bit. But I didn't discover WikiTree until 2020, pandemic time, perfect timing, right? So I've been doing this for three and a half years now. I'm also on the events committee along with Betsy and various others. I am heavily involved in Germany Project. Again, I was part of Team Germany Genies during Connectathon, although I didn't make as nearly as many edits as their contributions as my other people in the group. But I was able to help out on the live calls, you know, those four hour ring ends that we have for updates. And also, you know, involved with Notables Project, Cemeteryist, I have Cemetery, I'm working on one place studies, one name studies, it's just a variety of different projects, mostly focused on German ancestors coming to Wisconsin, which is a large part of my pedigree. So it tends to be what I default to, but then I will work on it in other areas of interest if I, you know, so find interesting enough. That's kind of me in a nutshell. Great. Thanks. Hillary? You want to? Yeah, I've been on WikiTree since 2011, so quite a long time. I am a project coordinator for the England project and for the Wales project. I'm a, for the England project, I'm one of the co- PCs for the orphan trial now. And in the Wales project, I'm the county's one. And the team that I'm usually co-captaining, which is the Welsh dragons, didn't, we didn't put up a team for the latest connect upon, even though I was on three of the live casts. We decided that we wanted to do something for the project. So we worked on some of the Welsh GEDCOMs doing some cleanups and we did quite a few of them. Some of them are still unsourced, but at least then we've removed a lot of the GEDCOM rubbish that was on some of the profiles. And I'm also like Steve, I've got one name studies, one place studies. So gradually working my way through things. Yes. And last, if you came, a couple, I see familiar faces from the, the session we did earlier in January, we spent quite a bit of time talking about what, what are these thons? What's connectathon? And well, there are three, three connectathons a year and one source of fun a year. And since then I was thinking the wheels were turning. And I thought, did, by the way, did anyone be outside of the four of us? Did you, did anyone participate in connectathon? Okay. All right. Well, you would have had to sign up. And it was last weekend and you would have been on a team. And the, there's a 72 hour window where, you know, everybody just connects and connects and connects. And over the court there were about 700 people who signed up. And over the course of the weekend, they connected 98,000 new profiles. Wow. So that's, you know, any starting from any existing profile and wiki tree and just, you know, adding, adding a sibling, adding a parent and that, that counts as one point. And, you know, it's, we have a lot of fun with it. But, you know, in the end, what we end up with is, is a more vibrant leafier tree, which helps everybody. So my idea, and I'm saying you're hearing it first. And then once this goes on out on YouTube, everybody, more people will hear it. I think I would like to start a fun team for new members where you would all get a lot of support. And, you know, and to help you, you know, I think a lot of people are intimidated by thons. And it's really not intimidating. But, you know, maybe have some meetings, team meetings by zoom prior to the event and just talk about strategies and what to do. And, you know, I think it could be fun. So I'm just throwing that out there, that seed. Yeah. Would be like our class three, living up to class two or something like that, you know, think about in terms of sports. We'll be the farm for the bigger teams. Yeah, you know, I'm thinking, you know, anyone who's joined wiki tree within the last year or has under a certain number of contributions or, you know, first on, you know, those will all be great. Go greenhorns. Yeah, we need a name. We do need a good name. Marie, you want to introduce yourself? Hi, folks. My name is Marie Maloney. I'm a retired author editor. I joined wiki tree in December of 2019 just before we found out about the pandemic. And so then I just sat in my chair and added profiles to wiki tree. I am a member of the Acadia project, the Quebec project, the apps project, and the Puritan Great Migration Project. It turns out I have a lot of Puritan Great Migration ancestors. And I spend a lot of time working on it with my Apple Group C1C cousins. Those are Native Canadian, I guess, First Nations is the term that's properly used and First Nations and Native American people. And otherwise, I just kind of poke around on wiki tree and add profiles and try and make my cc7 bigger. And I try to attend all of these sessions with Betsy because they're just so much fun. Thank you. We might want to define what cc7 is for those who aren't familiar with that term. Yeah, you know, you know what I'm going to talk about? So here's our plan for today. I thought that we would, well, actually, Paul brought up a really good question about what he saw on his navigation page. So I thought we'd take a look at that. And then on the Saturday roundup, we were talking so much about connection combat and, you know, degrees of connection. I thought it would be very helpful to show everybody how do you find the connection to yourself and somebody else? And then, you know, what is your cc7? And then after that, Barbara has some very interesting questions. So that's my game plan. And of course, whatever other questions come up along the way. So, yeah. And I will say, Murray has done astounding work on the WikiTree browser extension, and particularly creating free space pages that explain all the capabilities of it. He's our expert. I'm so grateful to have you on the call, Murray. And so Steve and Hillary and I, we've all disabled our browser extension for today so that our screens will look maybe what, like a brand new WikiTree member's screen will look like. But then you still have it enabled. So you'll be able to show what the difference looks like. All right. So, Paul, you want to show us, we can go through your question again. Yeah. I am learning WikiTree and I end up logging into my homepage. And my name is Paul Baltzer. So when I started looking down here, I see all these newt Baltzer, newt Baltzer, newt Baltzer, newt Baltzer. I'm like, I don't understand who this newt Baltzer is. So that was my question. It's like, well, who's newt Baltzer? 52. Because I'm, my ID is Baltzer 52. So that was my question this morning. Right. And newt is what we, is just our affectionate acronym for newt WikiTree. And so, and of course, Baltzer is 52 is you, and this is just a little friendly nudge to encourage you to introduce yourself on G2G. So if you were to click on any of these, for instance, it would take you to a template with that heading line. And then you can just type in a message, you know, with whatever you want to say. Yeah. And the G2G works just like any other email program. So you can add links, as you can see, you can bold, italicize, etc. The one thing that is a little bit fussy in G2G is adding photos. And that's maybe a subject for another time. But yeah, so that's what those hyperlinks are. And since you, oh, yes, and it will always the question, they will always prompt you are, you know, so that we don't flood people's mailboxes, you know, has this possibly been asked before, but in the case of a self introduction, that's not a concern. So yeah, Paul, since you have it up, would you show everybody where you find the navigation homepage? So usually I'll just either click on that right there, or I'll come up here. Yeah, and see it's nice and scroll all the way down. Thank God it's bolded. Here's a question. Why, since it's like the most important page, why wouldn't it be the very top link up here? I know it's a why question. Yes. Well, I see that they're alphabetical. Okay, that makes sense. However, maybe Murray would like to show us the customized my wiki, what comes with the browser extension. Murray, you know what I'm talking about the customized menu? Yep. Yep. Thank you, Paul. Thank you. So this, this is possible if you have the wiki tree browser extension, which is a free add on that works on Chrome, Firefox, Safari, and it just takes your wiki tree work and experience up to a new level. I'm just having trouble finding my spare thing here. Why is it not offering me? Yes. And Jen, I see Jen's putting some questions. Please put chat questions in the chat and we will make sure that we address them all. Okay. So you're seeing my screen? Yep. All right. And then now if I can just go back to my screen. Now, so this is, there's my main page. And so Paul, when I sign in, this is the page that I go directly to. And so you can set your home page however you want. You can set it to be the nav home page, but you can also set it to other places. Now, so when you have the wiki tree browser extension and you're added to your space, you get some free features. And one of them is called my menu. And in my menu, you can add anything that you want. You can add links to other places. And so for example, I have a link here to the wiki tree sourcer page. So I can just go and click on that and boom on there. And I can customize that just a second. Go back. So with my menu, if I just click on my menu, it's going to bring up this page here that allows me to copy things from the other menus into my own menu. And so you'll see that, for example, family activity feed I have at the top of my menu. And that's something that I borrowed from, where did I get that from? Under your wiki feed. Yeah. Yeah. It comes under my wiki tree. So I've just taken that menu item from under my wiki tree there. And I've added it over here. And so now when I come in, when I come to my page, the first thing I do is I look and see if my numbers have changed, my contributions, my thank yous, and my connections. And then I go over here and I check my family activity feed. And I check my G2D G feed. And I check to see whether I've got pending merges, requests, and suggestions. And that gets me started in my morning to make sure that I've done all the things that I need to do. Now, as you can see, my screen looks a little bit different than other people's screens. So for example, these are all ovals, not squares. And that's something that I set up. And you can see that I've got some color here. And there's some other changes. There's some other differences to how my page looks because I've got the wiki tree browser extension installed. Is the name of the extension called wiki tree sorcerer, or is that a different extension? No, different. Yeah, let's put it. Yep. So the wiki tree sorcerer is one extension. And the wiki tree browser extension is a different extension. And let me just get there. I'll put the link up. Sorry, I didn't hear you. I'll put the links in the chat. No, something's happening here and I can't get. Okay, I think I'm gonna have to stop sharing. Okay, so the browser extension is there is a page that will describe how to get it and what it does. I've got no audio. I've lost my audio. I can hear you though. To Judy's question, what does it do? Well, when you look at this page, it's more a question of what doesn't it do? It's a very comprehensive long list of features that change both appearance, if you want, or function, how you do things, how you source things. And then sorcerer, which we're also mentioning is another browser extension, which I recommend that you get right away because that's very, it really speeds up your work and helps you to do it better. Yes, Paul. Can I share my screen again? Sure. Go ahead. So I went to the link that you had put in the chat. Yes. It takes me to the browser extension page. Right. And is from here, where is the link to download the extension? Let's see. It should be installation. I see in the top oval. Yeah, I would go there. And I would follow those instructions. You're going to have to go to your app store and get it from there. Paul, the link's there for Chrome, Firefox, and Safari. Yeah, I'm on Chrome. Should I click the Chrome look? Yep, you can follow that from link. Okay, I'm there. Oh, okay. Add to Chrome. Yep. Okay. And then add extension. Yep. And if you... Yeah, see what I... You have all the toggle switches you have access to now. So what are all of the... I don't want to get too deep into this, I guess, but I mean, what are ones? What should I... Like, what was the one that you were talking about, Murray? Oh, sorry. So the... Oh, it's adding to your list. Navigation. So go ahead. So the app, the menu, my menu is... Where is that? Under navigation. Yeah, under navigation. Thank you. Just scroll down the navigation. Yep. Yes, there it is. There, there you go. Yep. And then it's right there, my menu. Click that on. Okay, so now I've added my personal, my menu to the thing. That sounds good. Is there anything else on here that I should click or de-click, deselect? There are lots of things, Paul, and what I'm going to recommend that you do is, is go back to that WBE page and you scroll down a little bit and you'll find that there's a series of videos. Just keep going. So back up, back up, back up. Great. Near installation. Keep going. Up. Okay, so starting out with WikiTree browser extension. Right under For Safari, yeah. For Safari, starting with right there, yes? Yeah. So if you go to that video, that's gonna, that's gonna get you started. And there's actually two videos that Greg Clark and I did and it walks you through various aspects of the WikiTree browser extension. How to set it up and what, what, what it gives you. And you can probably spend as little as 10 minutes and as much as several days trying to figure out which features you want to use and how you want to use them. Perfect. I appreciate you walking me through it. And this, this page gives you details on each of the features and, and what they offer and how to use them. And that, whoops, stop, stop. Go back, back, a little bit more. Okay, so see there on, there's, there's a whole list of videos that people have done to explain the various features. I see. And the most recent ones are the ones that Greg and I did, which goes through most of the features. This was, I appreciate you walking me through this. Yeah. Yep. And Jen, probably to answer your question, that would be where you want to start is have a look at those videos. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. All right. Well, let's talk about connections a little bit. Just in case people are not, not up and running with that. So I'll go here. And it was on the Sorcerer page, but let me now go. Okay. So here is a profile that I mentioned that Barbara had a question. And it has to do with this profile here. So that's why I had it up. So you can see that when I'm logged in as me, and I'm on somebody else's page, I have this heading up at the top that is labeled with the profile ID of whatever profile I'm on. In this case, Bartlett 16079. So if I do the pull down for that, and I do connection to me, then I get, I see that Mary Paris is 17 degrees from me. And it will give me the pathway. And the change in color indicates that there has been a marriage. So right now, for example, what, well, we're always talking about connection on Wakey Tree. But right now there's a challenge going on throughout the year called connection combat. And it gives you two profiles. And it says, well, which one are you closer to? And this year, this week, it was Billy the Kid and Pat Garrett, who is the constable who caught Billy the Kid. So you find out who you're closest to. And then you go through the entire pathway between you and whomever. And you make sure that the profile is in shape, good shape with sources, no JEDCOM junk, and that there's a verifiable source that is proving the link to the surrounding profiles. Now, if you're interested in seeing, say, I don't really want to know how I'm connected to Mary Pears, but maybe to somebody else, I can just go down here, take myself out. And Steve is going to tell me his ID. I knew you're going to pick on me again. It's auto. Okay, so let's see. Put it in quite a bit. Fine connection. Okay. So Steve is 21 degrees. And there is his pathway. The brown fields, of course. So I need to really work on those profiles since they connect to a lot of people on that side. Yeah. So on your profile, let me, if you go to the very, oh, wait a minute, where's it going to be without the browser extension? That's a good question. The top. It's up at the top. Get the rewire brain again. No, I'm looking for the connections of the week. Well, they're at the very bottom. They're at the very bottom still. Yeah. All right. And I'm deliberately not showing my screen yet because I'm scrolling like crazy. So let me get there. You just, you were there at the bottom. It's below your comments, Betsy. Below my comments? Yeah. All right. Oh, right. Right. I'm so used to seeing them in a nice little list. In fact, Murray, if you'd pull up an example so that we can show why you want to get the wiki tree bar as an extension. I actually prefer not having that vertical list you're talking about because it doesn't include the link to you like, you know, or at least the one that only focuses on the notables, but it doesn't actually have like a link there. So then you do have to go to the top to click the connection with me. But, you know, everybody has their own preferences. Sure. And that's why you have on all the toggle switches on or off. Sorry. I just realized I'm not on stream yard. I'm on zoom. And so you probably saw me doing all that crazy stuff. Sorry if anyone has motion issues. Anyway, at the bottom of your profile, you will see, you know, who you, your name is X degrees from these folks, some names you will recognize, some names you won't, because there's a theme every week. This week's theme was New Mexico Notables. So it will show you now, if I click on William McCarty, there it shows me my pathway. Now you see all my numbers that for me and Steve are pretty high. And but if you are within seven degrees, that's what counts in your CC seven. Congratulations on 700. Thank you. Thank you. I'm trying to get that thousand badge, maybe, maybe soon. So you see this up at the top, Murray mentioned, contributions, third, thank yous and connections. So it tells me that I 700 connections on wiki tree within seven degrees. And if you click on that for yourself, you'll see, of course, I myself am degree zero. My parents are degree one and so on. And of course, it gets to be a lot much longer less the farther out you go. So that is what CC seven is. And there's another page where you can show the change in your CC seven over time. Yeah, yep. Let's see. Well, I have, I have, do you want to take over Murray and show that? I found the CC seven up in the corner there. CC seven 700. I know, but the changes. That's it. That's the history. Okay. In your distance from Kevin Bacon and Queen Elizabeth the second. Yes. Yes. No, I was talking about the CC seven changes. That's something. That's for the browse extension. Yeah. Well, let's maybe save that for another day. But okay. Yeah, you want to show it? No, no, it's okay. Carry, carry on. Okay. Yeah, I just want to make sure that we get to Barbara's questions. So Barbara had asked Barbara, you said you had two questions, right? Yes, my, my question had to do primarily with the connection shown for Mary Bartlett-Piers shows that she was a descendant of James Bartlett and Nancy Shannon, who were my ancestors. But even though James Bartlett and Nancy Shannon had a daughter named Mary Ellen, this Mary Piers is not the Mary Ellen, who I know to be descended from James Bartlett and Nancy Shannon. Right. And I did, I did pull up already on the two new grave pages. So, and it seems like Barbara and I have been going back and forth over the last few days with a lot of these details is that there's been conflation, confusion between these two women over many platforms. So it's on find a grave. It's on ancestry trees. And so here's one. And here's the one that, that Barbara believes is her, her ancestor or, well, yeah, daughter of your, your ancestors. And Barbara, I think you're, you're very, Barbara sent me this, this really comprehensive one page. I printed it out. I was so impressed by it of comparing for each person all the records, you know, to try and untangle them. And you want to talk about the, her son from the first marriage and why you think that, that proves that she's a different person. Well, even though I did not find a census showing Mary Bartlett pairs with her parents, I know that Mary Abram is the daughter of James Bartlett and Nancy Shannon. And she was born in Branch County, Michigan and moved with her, her family from Michigan to Kansas. And that's where she married her first husband. And her first husband was Frank Rathburn. And subsequently then the census record show that her, her son from the first marriage was with Frank Rathburn is still with her. And I, I have the marriage record between her and, and Frank Rathburn and Allen County, Kansas. And so we can follow the Mary Abram shown here from the first census on which she appears, which is 1860 in Branch County, Michigan. I see now I have a typo in Branch County, but she appears with James and Nancy in 1860 in Branch County, Michigan. The next time she appears on the census, she's still with Nancy and her stepfather, James Adams. Nancy Shannon married James Adams after the death of James Bartlett. So in 1870, she's still with Nancy and James Adams. And still with them in 1880 and married Frank Rathburn in 1882. And Allen County, Kansas. And Mary Pears, Mary Bartlett Pears, the first time I, I found her on the census was in 1880. But she married Robert Pears in Iowa in 1877. And in 1880, we can see that Mary Broome, Broome was her last husband, was in Allen County, Kansas with James and Nancy Adams. But Mary Pears, Mary Bartlett Pears is with her husband Robert in Iowa. So I'm convinced that it was a mistake to show Mary Bartlett Pears as a descendant of James Bartlett and Nancy Shannon. Yeah. And I think you've done some really outstanding genealogy research here, Barbara. And I'm convinced. I think the, I think it is convincing enough that you could go ahead and make that change with disconnecting. And what I would do, it's very, this is very important, is I would add a research note. And that's something we can talk about. Let me see if I can find something quickly where I have a research note. Like, do I have one here? Yes. Okay. Great. So this is a profile that I did for the England Project Orphan Trail, a baronet. And there were some, you know, after I stated everything that we feel certain about, there were some questions where I really couldn't completely reconcile it. And so you have this separate section between biography and sources called research notes. And I'll go into edit mode and show you what that looks like. But this is the place where if we could find some way to, I love the table presentation, Barbara, when I almost think maybe a free space page, but I'm not sure. But where you would make your argument about why you would say I disconnected Mary Ellen Bartlett pairs from these parents because and then lay out your argument. And then what you can do is you can put a signature to your comment. So if you put four till days, I just put it in the chat, four till days when you're in edit mode, that's going to create your signature with your ID and your date. And I would put that on both profiles. I would put it on Mary, Mary pairs and Mary brooms to explain the confusion. So let's go into edit mode for Peter. And you can see right here's your biography. So you have two equal signs, biography, two equal signs. So when we come down to research notes, it's again, two equal signs, research notes, two equal signs. And since I have, since I have already done, done this a little while ago, you no longer see the four till days, but you see what it creates. It's going to create a hyperlink to my profile and the time and the date when I made that comment. Yeah, I think you've done great work. Does that sound, does research notes sound like a good approach to you? Barbara, I can't hear you. I cannot hear Barbara. Yeah, me neither. I didn't understand the question. Oh, I was, I was just asking you if that makes sense to you. If research, if doing a research note on both profiles sounds like a good way to go. Okay, Paul, that's a great question. So yes, when you do three equal signs, it's going to create a subhenning. So you can see that on Peter's profile and it's, it's indented. So the biography has two equal signs, but birth and parenthesis has three. And so it offset a little bit. Yeah. So Barbara, have you created, is there an existing profile right now for Mary Ellen Broom? No, no, no, no, no, because I, I wasn't sure how to handle that. Right. I wanted to disconnect Mary Pears from James and Nancy Bartlett. But I didn't know how to do that. And I, my thought was that I needed to disconnect her before I created the profile for Mary Broom. Yeah, I would agree with that. Now it may be that Mary, Mary Pears, Mary Bartlett Pears, will now be a floating disconnected leaf. And that, you know, that happens. And hopefully somebody will be able to connect. That's why I encouraged you on Find a Grave. I noticed that the person who put up the profile, the photo had a lot of memorials with the Pears surname. And so maybe, you know, I'm sure you don't want to invest a lot of time since it's not your line, but maybe, maybe that person could, could give you some clues. And I just saw an email about how to deal with Find a Grave, because in our earlier emails back and forth on this topic, my concern was that needs to be changed because the Find a Grave shows her connection to James and Nancy. And there are no sources on the Find a Grave. That's the thing. I feel like you're in luck, Barbara, because as I mentioned to you, the memorial is managed by the Decatur County Historical Society. So I think that they're more likely to be, maybe, a little more responsive to your, especially to your very well laid out argument. And there's some more questions in the chat, too, regarding how do you actually disconnect a profile, for example? Yes, yes. Barbara, do you feel confident? Can we disconnect? I mean, is it okay with you if we disconnect? Yes, I'm convinced that Mary Pears is not related to my ancestors as shown. So here we are. We're on Mary Bartlett Pears' profile. We go to edits. We don't have to wait for permission because nobody is profiling. Yeah, it's an orphan profile. So I did reach out to the person who originally created the profile just to give a heads up that we thought there were some issues with the connections. Hey, Betsy, can you show us that this is an orphan profile? So let me return without saving. So here, instead of having a profile manager's name, it just says no profile manager, and you have the option, like supposing you stumble across your third great-grandfather. Go ahead, adopt it. So under edits, so we have this, and all you have to do is replace or remove the father. Same thing with the mother. So, okay, here we go. We're going to remove without a replacement, unfortunately. We don't know. But if we did, we could click on another button and make the process a little bit quicker. And then, let's see, let me edit again. So now you can see daughter of father unknown and Nancy. So now I'm going to edit once again and remove Nancy and remove. Now, do we want to put a research note in this right now to let people know that that's why we disconnected it, even though it's linking to this find a grave, which is technically not a source for that information? Right. So I think Barbara has everything that she needs to write up a research note to explain that. Okay. Yeah. So, Barbara, you will go in afterwards now. That's your homework, Barbara. You've basically done all the work already. So it's just a matter of, as I said here, I'll even create the research notes for you. So we just go here. And the space is not required. Okay. And then there is a category for research notes. Really? Well, yeah, for in terms of what you mean, a button for research notes. Yeah, I feel like I'm cheating because I'm only putting the heading in. But okay, I thought you said that there was a category which would categorize the profile into things with research notes. I don't know how helpful that would be. But sounds like a fascinating. Yeah. And then we did have another question, right? What was it? Well, David said, whatever there was a profile manager. Well, that's a great question. Yes. You would reach out and, you know, introduce yourself and in your relation to the to the person in the profile and and say, can we how can we collaborate? Here's what I know. Here's what I think, based on that knowledge. Let's let's go. Let's hash it out. And, you know, every once in a while, usually because because it's wiki tree, you're going to get a response. Sometimes you don't get a response. But we really pride ourselves on being collaborative and responsive and courteous to one another. It's all part of the honor code. So you should you should get a positive response. Yeah, Steve. And this this is in relationship to two questions now, both Della and at the bottom, David are asking if the profile manager doesn't respond that we have a process for that, correct? Well, it depends on what you're going to do. And I think if the person doesn't respond, I mean, you have done done your part by reaching out and explaining what you want to do. And then the next thing that you would should do is leave a research note so that anyone can see why the change was made. And sometimes some something I do sometimes when I see there's a profile manager is I check the connection from the from the person of the profile, the subject of the profile to the profile manager. It's just to see like, Well, is this a third great-grandparent? Or is this 20 degree connection that they voted by a GEDCOM six years ago and haven't touched since? Yeah, there's a little shortcut button for that. That's right next to the profile manager's name. It should be an orange button that will go directly to the connection finder between at the profile manager and the profile you're looking at. So you can see if I didn't move on. Can you show that? Take over. Sure. I'll share my screen. Okay. But again, I did not disable the browser extension because I don't know how to. So I'm just going to go share screen. I think I have only go to the profile first. I'm just going to open up my tree. I'm going to go to my second great grandfather. It's just being slow because I have such a large profile. Yeah, that's great. Good old Fred. Good old Fred. Okay. So let's now that that's up on my screen, I'm going to share. And let's go to wiki tree. And can everybody see my screen? Yep. All right. This is my second great grandfather, Heinrich Friedrich Rebke, also knows Fred. And if you go and you look here at profile manager, you'll see that there is my name. And then directly next to it is a actually, I'm sorry, the green button, the orange button is the send private message, but the green button is calculate relationship. Now, if I click that, it'll show the relationship through my private parents. So, you know, I won't actually click on it, but that's where you would find the connection. If you're on anybody else's profile, that should still appear. And then you can instantaneously see their connection between the profile you're looking at in them. I just learned something new. Thanks, Steve. There we go. We're always learning something new. That saves me some work. Yeah. But I love this page just because I have so many documents for them. I need to, you know, have a better photo for that. But well, we did get a better photo. This is the one down below. That's a better image of him. And then the family with my second great-grandmother and all their children like this is just that's a lovely one. I know this is such a find when I came across this. I thought like, this is magical. I get to finally see like everybody, you know, in a professional setting here, you know, Anna is my second great-grandmother and she's just got a smile on her face. So that's your profile photo on her profile. Just this one right here cut out. But yeah, I have a lot of naturalization documents, immigration stuff from Germany. This one, I'm really proud of this profile because of how much information I have with that. So I'll go ahead and stop sharing. Wow. Very nice. Thanks for showing that. No, no problem. So Linda, in the answer to your question, is a profile manager the only one who can disconnect? No. So in the case of, let me go back to Mary, Ellen, so it depends on the privacy setting. So this means that it's an open profile because it's a profile of a certain age. If the person died more than 100 years ago or was born more than 150 years ago, they are required to be an open profile, which means that anyone can change them with the exception of really high-level notables like Henry VIII. Well, his profile, you can't just go in and change Henry VIII profile. It's protected by the Notables project and the England project. So that would be an exception. But anything else, you can make a change. But I just really encourage you to follow Barbara's example spending the time and making sure it's really great before we make the change. Even if you're sure because of what your grandma said, like find the records and back it up because at the end of the day, the records are what we have to rely on. And you can also add your grandma as a source. That's okay. But yeah, we want both. And really quick, just an interesting question from Della. So she found an exception to what we just did. And so she did not find an envelope next to a person's name of a different profile. And I looked into it, it's because that person was private. That person has a red button on theirs. So if they don't want to be searched, then you won't be able to make that connection to them. So that's an exception to it. Yes. So let's actually look at the different levels of privacy. That's instructive. Okay, so I just explained open profiles. Public is the main difference is that you need to be in the trusted list to add or change information. And the trusted list is something you can add to. Let's see. I guess I have to be on a profile to show you that. But you would say I wanted Steve to be on the trusted list of a profile I was managing. You would just add my email address to it. Exactly. I'd get the invite and I'd accept the invite. Right. So this is where all of you should probably be private with either a public bio and public family tree or private with a public family tree. This otherwise, you won't be able to do any of the fun connection stuff. I don't think. I certainly know that when or maybe only you can see it. Right. It would be private to you, but other people couldn't see the relationships. Right. I know I run the rock challenge, which is where we pick five random wiki tree years and a team goes to work on their branches for a whole month. And we see how we can expand their CC seven. And every once in a while, we have a rocky where they have locked down their family tree. And I have to ask them to open it up. Otherwise, we can't do what we need to do. But if you don't, you know, if you really want to keep things locked down, you can have only a public biography partially. And then this top one is what we call unlisted. And that specifically would be someone who's alive who's not a member of wiki tree. Like say one of you, you're all wiki tree members. But one of you adds a spouse or a parents or whomever who's not a wiki tree member, you can do that. But they will show up as unlisted. So they can't be searched. And, you know, privacy is another really important tenant of wiki tree. So this is, this is an important feature. But it's not an option for non living people or for an active active member. But there are exceptions to that as well. Notables who are living who are not members of wiki tree may still get articles people can see because they're notables. So, well, we're running close to the hour. And as I said, we do we do have to keep it to an hour today. Do we want to do a lightning round? Anybody have quick go? Yeah, right. Pressing questions. And again, we will be available outside of this video, this chat today. If you have anything you want to private message us certainly anytime. There's my, my profile ID. And let me also put in. Okay, this, this page that I'm going to put up is sort of our, our command central for the new member zooms. Linda wants to know the links will remain after the meeting ends. Are the links know what I'd suggest Linda is that you save the chat before before you disconnect the triple buttons at the bottom and then one of the options will be saved chat. So, right. So on the on the free space page for new member Q&A via zoom, that's where I keep the schedule and the zoom links. It is a different zoom link for every different meeting. So, and I do a G to G post, but not everybody catches those I post on Facebook. And that is where I'm going to put the information for the new team that I was talking about at the beginning. So, and we got to come I think we need a better name than the new team. So, think about that on Facebook. Yes, there is a wiki tree members group on Facebook, Linda. See maybe see if you can find that if you're on Facebook at the moment. I don't know if I can put a link to that. But if they're on Facebook, it is searchable wiki tree members group. Right, right. Okay. Well, I hope that all of you come back again. I love I love a number of you have been repeat attendees and it's it's really always a delight to see familiar faces and new faces. And thank you to everybody who's watching on YouTube afterwards. And same invitation goes to you if you want to reach out to one of the four of us with a question, please do so.