 Yn y clywbeth o ddysgu, rwyf yn y Prif Weinidog ddodd, a fydd hefyd yn ddechrau'n cael eu gwirio. Felly, mae'r Prif Weinidog ar y cyfrifonol, Ein Paias Aym, yn ddechrau'n mynd, felly y ddweud o gydag o'r problemu gwneud o'r ffordd y cyfryd. Mae'n ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o hwn yn ddechrau'n cyfrifonol fyddol. The People's Democratic Party, PDP, have called for the creation of a national border protection force to secure Nigeria's borders. The PDP national chairman, Uche Secundus, gave the advice saying the force would protect Nigeria's borders from the activities of terrorists and bandits. Joining us to have this conversation is Dirón Hodeemi. He is the Deputy PDP Public Publicities Secretary and, of course, we have Ambrose Bucchi, who is a Political Analyst. Thank you very much, gentlemen, for joining us. Dwi'n meddwl â'r gwleidio cyfnodd yma. Dwi'n meddwl â'r gwleidio cyfnodd yn ymddangos. Mae Nigiriad efo'r cyfnodd. Mae'r cyfnodd ymwybol. Mae'n gwirio cyfnodd. Dwi'n meddwl gweithio'r cyfnodd? Yn cyfnodd ymweld y gweithwyr. Dwi'n meddwl i chi'n meddwl i'w meddwl, dwi'n meddwl i chi'n meddwl i'r cwrs dwi'n meddwl ar y cyfnodd. a'r ddechrau yn ystyried o'r cystafol, yna? Yn ystafol â'r cyfrifio? Yn ystafol â'r cyfrifio a'r cyfrifio a'r cyfrifio ymlaen ymlaen, mae'r ffordd yn ymlaen i'r cyfrifio a'r cyfrifio arall ymlaen i'r cyfrifio. Yn ystafol â'r cyfrifio a'r cyfrifio ar ymlaen, mae'n eistedd i ddim yn y system. However, at what extent have they been affected? In view of the fact that most of the blames about this insecurity often come from the presidency that it is people from a child, from a child, from all these neighboring countries that are perpetrating these crimes. So if that is their own explanation, if that is their own excuse, it is not out of place for us to say, then what it shows is that you don't have to say, you don't have confidence or you see there has been security breakdown and lapsing in our borders. So the best thing to do is to create another avenue, another security outfit that will complement the efforts of these border patrols because we have the police, we have the CID, we have the SSS before AFCC was created. It's just to complement what they have if their excuse has been that the people perpetrating this criminality are from neighboring countries. It's as simple as that. Interesting. I'm going to come back to you because I have more questions probing this idea from the PDP. But I'm going to you, Mr Ambrosi Boke. The Senate president here is asking, of course, he started by narrating that he has had an audience with Mr President. He was asked to censor my ideas, which he doesn't or isn't sure that those ideas got across to Mr President. Should the conversation that we're having right now be about the messenger because people have already started giving him fire? Should the conversation be about the messenger or the message bearer? I mean, is the APC or the Buhari government in a position to point fingers or pick and choose as to who is coming up with ideas that could help us solve our problem right now in the interim? Well, for those who are caught in, let's cut some flags for the former president who was also the secretary to the federal government during Jonathan's time. Some people are accusing him that it's for solutions which didn't do any way in power. But the situation is not the same. When the PDP was in power, the Boko Haram in South Wales was just at incubation stage. Remember the soup, the founder of Boko Haram was still going around preaching his own brand of religion. And also, he's been in the vicinity of habitations for other areas. Then, in 2009, this changed. We started having habitations along that line with Paralyff Snowboard into the Boko Haram issue that we are having. And at the time the APC was coming together, the tool of propaganda they used against the Jonathan government was that they were going to defeat Boko Haram. That Nigerians believed there because their presidential candidate was a former general who rose out by the second state in the early 80s. Now, the APC wrote on that promise that the Jonathan government was not seeing us above Boko Haram and they had a magic wand. Six years down the line it has all happened and it has worsened. So, it says a highly-placed person like the former third citizen of Nigeria and the former Secretary General can come to the president to propose a solution. Remember this kind of thing is bigger. She also has some high intel. She's not just another citizen. So, you may have these old sources of intelligence gathering and when you bring that to thought, we should not start playing politics with it. So, it is not about the PDP, it's not about the APC, it's about all the person. What does the message say? If the message is factual and can cover a problem, these people should start playing politics in everything that comes with the opposition. After all, when there were no opposition, Nigerians believed there and Nigerians worked with them. So, if a political party is out of position and telling them things, they should also listen. OK. I just want to push you a bit further because in his statement he mentioned every little thing that we're experiencing right now. He talked about looking at every region in the country and all of the pockets of violence and the agitations. He mentioned the fact that ethnic tensions, Boko Haram, who have gotten as far as Niger state, and he talked about the fact that all of these things are an apparent threat to our nationhood. So, I would ask you, is Nigeria's nationhood really under threat? Or is the media, like it was contained in the statement yesterday on the issue of press freedom, is the media and the opposition, which is the PDP, making it seem so? Being that the government is talking about playing up issues and blowing it out of proportion. I understand the media very well because I eat, drink and sleep media. I'm a media scholar. I've been a practitioner for many years in the basic definition of news. If you read my communication class, it will just tell you that news is a report of correct events. The media does not manufacture, do not manufacture news stories. They report in what happens, actualities. Therefore, if what is prevalent in the country or what is prevailing in the environment is nothing, banditry, terrorism, wars, colleagues going to communities to wipe out the whole village, killing of students, and all sorts of big gun dashes in Nigeria, then you will not blame the media for reporting those things. Therefore, actually the media of typing this event is most unfortunate. It means the people who are active in the media are actually advocating from their responsibility to ensure that those things don't happen in the first place. If students were not kidnapped in Greenfield University, for example, if the media said students were kidnapped, if three of them were not killed, the Kaga students, the kidnappers on the road, the head of going to town to block sentiment and kill people, I don't think it's suggesting that the media should block out these events and report Nigeria that we are on a dorado. So the thing here is we continue to report what happens in the society because they are the watchdogs. Suggesting otherwise, we need to make the media liable to not holding the government accountable. That is the meaning of the media. This is the first aspect of the ring. We are the watchdogs. So you cannot tell the media to keep quiet. Back to you, Mr Durong. Why does it seem, because I keep asking many people this question, but let me ask you because you are the opposition. There are people who have asked or have suggested that the PDP is not doing its job, that you are not alive to your responsibility as an opposition compared to the type of hits you were getting when you were in power. But my question is, why does it seem that the yearnings and the obvious plight of Nigerians all seem to fall on deaf ears even the push and shove that you have given Mr President or the presidency lately seems not to be moving anything? It's quite unfortunate when people say this and I quite disagree with that impression. You agree with me that APC came into government through propaganda and cities of life, the two Nigerians. And if you tell a lie to get to power or to get to an office, you will need 1,000 of it to sustain that office. And that is exactly the problem APC is having today. They promised the people of Nigeria to wipe up corruption. But we all know that corruption is now the main thing in Nigeria. They promised to defeat Boko Haram within three months. Today, Boko Haram is really where the president appears or says he is really. But why is PDP in all of this? You should have been there occupying, doing stuff, making sure that your voices are being heard. But then it seems like the PDP has been on a long, safe and slumber. Just yesterday, the National Chairman addressed a press conference. Where he highlighted all the problems of Nigeria. Where he talked about the problem we are facing as a country. Where he highlighted the problem caused by APC and this administration. If you are expecting us to act the way they acted before they came to power, then you are not getting it right. We are Nigerians. And Nigerians are feeling the brunt. They are feeling the problems now created by APC. We are all oppositions. It's not only PDP that is in the opposition party now. Every individual in this country is opposed to this administration and that is more than enough. The question you have is where are the civil society in this? Where is NSE in this? Where are all the people that assisted or helped this administration to come into power? They have all gone silent. It's only the PDP that are addressing. Including the PDP I might say. It's only the PDP that are shouting. For the mayor and for the Nigerians, each Nigerian is feeling the action. It's more than enough to say that we are all in the opposition. Not only the PDP. I'm going to ask almost the same question to you, Mr Bokey. But I'm going to put it differently. Why is it so difficult for Mr President to address Nigerians and give them a sense of hope somewhat? Is it out of place to ask for our president to act like he understands what we are facing at the moment? Is it a bit too much to ask for? If I dive into that, I will tell my colleague on the panel that the PDP is to stop thousands of testimonials. The problem of Nigeria is not that it is ACC. So we need to put that to correct perspective. It is continuous. But the government is taking it to a very new level of a very solid state when it comes to issue of security. And that has to be Nigerians are unanimous about that. That something urgently needs to be done. And according to the question you are asking, one of the main things to be done now is that the president needs to talk to us. We don't hear from our president. Our citizens are being killed. Citizens are being converted to thoughtful allegiance to Indians. Some terrorists and insurgents are hosting their flag in many local governments of Nigeria. And then we are watching our president. The president is not talking to us. But when a trade crash happens in India or there is a killing in America, we will issue a statement condoning it with this country and that country and that country. Meanwhile, we have issued any statement to condone. The statement after every killing from the president is just like a copy and paste. So where is this humanity? Where is the conscience? What kind of people are we? That people are being killed? And we don't think to show anything? I heard the president spoke at some time ago last year saying that the president speaks to the people released of the project. That's what he called the empathy. What people hear from their leader? They take so far in that promise. But he really needs to feel their pain. And I think it's their comforts. They become hopeful. But when we keep that in total silence, they become disenchanted. They start wondering if there are two citizens of this country. They start wondering if they are in the right place. They start wondering if God has not cost them to the citizens of this country. People are having trauma every day. And then we are here talking about the privacy of the president talking to us or not. And some people are actually defending that. The president wants to talk to Nigeria. And tell us his plan. And tell us what he's going to do to tackle the terrorism in this country. Because we are running out of time quickly, I want to ask quickly. The former senate president is recommending that there be a commission of sorts that would deal with the situation that is at hand. But we've set up so many commissions. We've done all kinds of... And some of them are gathering dust. Why should we be looking at another proposed commission? Considering this is not the first of the series of open letters that have been written, the former president, Olusiagor Boasangor, has been the chief executive of writing open letters. Do you see the president bulging or even taking any of these recommendations whatsoever quickly as we wrap up? I don't see the president taking any action about letters being written today. This is not the first time that ideas and suggestions will be put forward for the betterment of this country. But the ego is there that because it is the president and because it is APC, they are not ready to take ideas from any individual or any corporate organization. And that is the reason why we are still having this problem. The only advice the president took recently was the fact that we told him that if you cannot secure this country, it is not right if you seek help and assistance from foreign countries. And I think we just did that. Well, I'm not sure and I don't think the president is listening here about what Nigeria says. Instead, we have people who are defending whatever is his lukewarm action from the presidency. So, unfortunately. All right. Well, I want to say thank you very much. Dioron D'Ymme is the PDP Deputy Spokesperson and Ambrose Bwke is a public affairs analyst. Thank you very much gentlemen for being part of this conversation. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. All right. Well, thank you all for staying with us. We'll take a short break now and when we return, I will be giving you my take. We'll be right back. Here's my take. The screams, the cries and the groanings of Nigerians seem to be falling on deaf ears. Our throats are beginning to hurt and our voices are cracked from endlessly asking our leaders to save the soul of this country. Pointing to the elephant that is in the room and they all seem blind to this particular elephant. The Nigerian state is going through a rough patch as we speak and that's unrivaled because it's one that we must not toy with. It's a situation that's very sensitive and dicey and we cannot delay action on this particular one. So dear Nigerians, we must not be weary. We must not sit back and relax. We must apply more pressure. We must keep retreating to our leaders that it is their jobs to keep us safe. How can we rest when we're all unsafe? When we can't even be certain that we won't be attacked, we won't be kidnapped or robbed? More than ever before, the powers of the office of the citizen of the Federal Republic of Nigeria must be wielded. Our leaders must work for us. Yes, not the other way round. They must do everything within their powers to keep us safe or else we'll show them the door. It is our right and we deserve it. I am Mary Anna Cohn. Thank you for watching. Do you have a good evening?