 on the line right now, with Spike Lee. All right, here you go. This is what we need. Is this because I need to get some of the shirts that he's selling on his Shopify store? Yeah, they look very nice. Spike, what's going on, man? How are you guys doing? More importantly, how are you? Yeah. You know, this is some BF, and it's so unavoidable. I've been going into employees' entrants for the last 30 to 30 weeks, over 28 years. In 28 years, no one's ever told me not to go to that entrance. The last time I went to that entrance, ladies and gentlemen, this is Ronald Reo, here's Tien, not 8.7, was Wednesday. Wednesday was a historic event at the World's Most Famous Arena. Wednesday, there was a matinee on the Broadway play, The Killer Mockingbird. 18,000 New York City kids, public school kids, who probably seen a Broadway play for the first time. I introduced the play. I went through the same exit I've been going through for over 28 years. No one has ever told me in my mother's grave. No one, my late mother's grave, when she died when I was in South Park, Browns College, she was 41. No one's ever told me ever not to come through the point entrance. I never asked a garden to produce email saying such, no one's ever called me from the garden. They called me when I'm a day late for deposit on the astronomical season ticket price. They had my number, they had my email yesterday. And also, listen to this, if that entrance, which I've been going through for 28 years, is only for employees, why was a guy there taking scanning tickets? My ticket got scanned along with other people. I was not the only people who went through with me. Yes, they were the ticket scanned. I'm glad you brought that up, Spike. Oh, let me think, let me think anything. So my ticket, that's not a point entrance, that's just a point entrance. Why has somebody had taken scanning tickets? Because no one has ever told me, not, they're goddamn liars saying they were clearly told me. I want them to produce one person, the look in the eye, and told me they said, Spike, you can't use the entrance. It never happened, ever. Now this is the entrance where they just put in like you're going through the airport, right? It's got the, it's skidged. No, that's been never, I've been going there for 28 years. All right, so this isn't the same entrance. The only thing they did, they put like the plastic thing over for the weather. I've been going there for 28 years. The same entrance. Because it's like going through an airport. Now you gotta put your bag through. Yes, I went through that. All right, yeah, I've never seen, honestly, I've never seen tickets being scanned. I said on my keys, my iPhone, my BlackBerry, I know it's good. Then I went inside, they scanned my ticket. I'm going to the elevator with a bunch of people, got the ticket scan also, and the elevator is not moving. And I'm standing next to the guy, the elevator operator, and has the airpiece. And he's listening, and the guy comes up to me, I'm in the elevator, he comes to the front of the elevator, and says, Spike, you need to get off the elevator. Mr. Lee, excuse me, Mr. Lee, you need to get off the elevator. I said, I'm not getting off the elevator. He said, Mr. Lee, you have to get off the elevator. I said, where, why did you get off the elevator? Once you get off the elevator, I'll tell you, so I'm not getting off the elevator. So finally, the door closed. As you know, for people who don't know the garden, the floor is on the fifth floor. Get the ticket out, the elevator's on the ground floor, 338,000, you take the elevator up to the fifth floor where the court is. I've been doing this for 28 plus years. The door, the elevator opens, and it's like they were there, like out of some cat, the man out of Macy's stealing stuff. Now, Spike, the statement that they released today. It's a lie. They said that we have repeatedly asked them not to. It's a lie, it's a bold-faced lie. My mother's grave, it's a lie. No one has ever told me that you cannot use a poised entrance. I used it Wednesday. So if somebody- They introduced the killer Mockingbird. So if somebody had come to you, Spike, and called you up and said, Spike, from now on you have to go to the VIP entrance. You wouldn't have a problem with going to the VIP entrance. Not at all. That's why with the video that somebody thing got posted, you hear me, Pete, and say, you hear me, Pete, you don't see me. You repeatedly hear me say, no one told me. Right. The garden has my number. When you fill out a season ticket application, they want the world. Social security, birthday date, business number, reach me, they know how to reach me. What's the deal with the photo of you shaking hands with Jim Dolan that the Knicks sent out? So Dolan always has to go by my seat, my court-sized seat to go to where he goes during the half time. So my head was down, I was on my phone, and he came up to me and he said, we've gotta talk. I said, talk about what? He said, we've gotta talk. I said, Mr. Dolan, no one's ever told me. And I was not irate, I was very respectful. I had not used the vanity. I said, Mr. Dolan, no one's ever told me not to use employee interest. And they said, well, now you know. I like to say something, you know, because my head was spinning. I've never had this happen to me ever by the garden. So I didn't even realize that, you know, when we were speaking and I don't remember shaking his hand, but she didn't want to say, I'm a filmmaker. That picture, when you look at the picture, is taken from the roof of the garden because at 23, set the clock, that's over the backboard, is in the shot. That was a set up. They set that photograph up so they could use it. That whole thing was arranged. Look at that picture, it's from the roof. Do you believe that this has? The clock above, the back is in the shot. Does this have anything to do with your support of Charles Oakley, you think? Michael, I love you, but I cannot, I mean, I gotta keep saying this. I cannot speak for Mr. Dolan, I won't say this. And I demonstrated clearly on first take. When I went out and leave, I put my hands behind my back and said, arrest me like you did Charles Oakley. Kids would like to say, this could be very simple. Spike, can you just, which eventually happened? Because what they wanted me to do first was to leave the garden, go take it back and elevate it, go down back to Empire, excuse me, employee interest. Well, get outside, walk all the way around the Fort Penn Plaza, push on 31st Street. Then they'll have to re-scan my ticket. Number one, you can't scan a ticket twice. Number two, when you leave a sport arena, if you leave, you can't come back in. I was not going for the double thing, the dope thing, double cross. I was not leaving. And finally, some African-American ushers who I know, I grew up with these guys, Fort Green, they said, Spike, come here, come here, come here, Spike, listen to me. Who will you be, who will be acceptable to you if we get in the elevator? We go one floor to sixth floor and we'll walk you to your court side, Steve. I said, fine. And that was it. Now, they can have said that from the beginning, but they want to need to leave the garden and walk around the block. Now, I want to go back to the Dolan Conversations. You were on first take today and you said you didn't want to talk about it. You were upset and you didn't have a conversation that didn't sound like, but here- I mean, it was, it was not acceptable, you know, I don't want to look you, what can you say to me? Well, I was just trying to figure out was he going to come over to apologize? If he could have apologized. All right, so if, but the opportunity was there, if he wanted to apologize, he could have. I have a question. Yes. When has anybody ever heard Mr. James Dolan apologize? True, so far. What I'm saying is, is he coming over to you? Last night would have been the first. Right, all right, but, but my point was it, I was just trying to get all the facts here that like you kind of shoot them away. It sounded like, like I don't want to talk about it, but there was an opportunity that if he wanted to apologize, he could have apologized. Oh, he could have. He made him, he came directly to my side. See, row AA, C20, court side, the world's most famous arena. He came to me, I wasn't looking for him. It came, they also, it came to me because they said, that phone, that photo, now they're set up. Does he ever walk by you before? I mean, because he has to go that way when he comes out of that part of the garden, does he stop? He walks by me, but we also ain't nothing. We also ain't, we don't even know each other. Oh really, interesting. And Spike, what's your yearly bill at the garden when they hit you up for, to pay? What are you paying every year? Well, it's over $300,000. Are you rethinking that? Well, today they did the math and my wife's gonna kill me or go home. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Over 10 million they say, Spike? Well, we are just meant for inflation. It's a funny line, they say, that's how, like, Michael Kaye, you enjoy this. That's how, like, I want to score a senior show, I'ma, I'ma look it in. So, and it sounded like he kind of reprimanded you that he said, don't do it again. So. I'm not gonna say that, I'm not gonna say that. Oh no, so you just, he shook hands with you. He said, well, now you know. Now you know. Now you know. I would be, my hand was so spinning, I don't even remember shaking hands with him. I just wanted to be alone. What's your, what's your take, Spike, in the statement when he says that, would they say the idea that Spike Lee is a victim is laughable? First of all, they should not use, New York NYX organization, they should not use the word laughable. Agreed. They're making me laugh. And also, also, Mike, you know me, I'm a really good guy. I just wanted to come to the game that as you know, Western Conference teams only come once a year. I want to see my brother, Rosa, I want to see James and me with the miracle. Here's the thing, the next one, nobody was talking about the game. Yeah. I'd not come, I'd not wake up in the morning and say, and playing this. This has, this is not, this is not of my doing. This, this thing, it should never happen. Did it? Let me finish. If there was a policy that somehow they'd been installed since Wednesday when I use the employee entrance, can somebody let me know? Is that too much? If the next has said spike, we don't use, you've been using this, let me know how you use it, but there's no plan going, I would say, okay. And I also have to say a month ago, they told me I cannot leave the garden going down the ramp. Oh, you tried to leave down the regular ramp and they said you can't do it? You can't leave down the ramp for 20 years also. And a month ago, I was given a leave that despite the new policy, I said, you can't go up, I said, why? There's new policy. So that is the first time it happened. I'm being harassed. So they need to tell me by email or whatever that I can go down the ramp. So what happened? You went a different way or you just continued to go down the ramp? I went there, now I got away, you got to go out. Now I got three people escorting me out the game now. It's crazy. Now, when you first arrived to the entrance at 33rd and eighth, the media entrance, did someone, when you walked up to that door, go, hey, Mr. Lee, we're sorry, you can't even come in this door? Or they let you get through and you made it all the way to the elevator? Sir, if that would have happened, why would my ticket be scanned? Right. My ticket was scanned on the elevator. Then, then another thing, I think they got me on surveillance because they're looking for me. They pulled me up the elevator after my ticket was scanned with other people at the ticket scan. I was the only one that pulled off. I was not an elevator alone. People, I came with people that tickets were scanned too. It's pretty amazing, Spike, that Reggie Miller is supporting you. Have you heard from any other NBA people today? All right, that was Reggie, me and Reggie, that was about 20 years ago. Me and Reggie are tight. Okay. He hit me up during the game, opened me up. There's more to her, but more Cuban. My friend used to say, Spike, you've come in the game, come in any airs you want. Now let me get on you just a little bit, Spike, all right? Yes. Why not continue to go? I mean, what's this band for the rest of the year? I mean- Three or four games. Yeah, but you're gonna miss the 50th anniversary of 70? Wow, what happened? Huh? March 21st. Ha ha ha, ha ha. And again, you know what, to the million times I'll say it again, I was there May 8th, 1970. I was at that game. I was 13 years old. It's a scene in Crooklyn. Yes, my father to concert. I said, leave my father to concert. I'm going to the game. Now, you, I mean, this is not a joke. You don't spend $10 million on something that you don't love. This is really important to you. I know you love the Knicks. You've suffered through a lot of losing. Does something like this, what's happened today and last night, does it hurt you, Spike? Well, look, here's the thing. And last week, I was at L.A. the Stable Center for Colby's Memorial and Johnny, other people. Life is too short. Tomorrow is not guaranteed. And the B in the Knicks of some DS, based upon DS, is sad, is really sad. Do you think Jim Dolan's the reason why the Knicks don't win? You gotta go to the top. Do you think incidents like this are the reason why free agents don't wanna come here? Yes, and all deference to Mr. K.D., Kevin Durand, we talked about why free agents will not come play for New York Knicks and Boxers in World's Most Famous Arena. The one thing, the biggest thing you left out, the biggest thing you left out, which was Charles Oakley being arrested for letting out the handcuffs, that I feel the Knicks still not go over that when you talk to the players. All these guys know each other, they have to give each other's numbers on speed dial. And I bet everybody was on their phones saying, did you see that? You know what? Like at that, I'm not going to New York, well, I'll go there once or twice a year, as a business team, that I still feel is the biggest reason why. Can you imagine, I mean, you think about players, think about just players that exemplify the heart and the soul of the team. Pete Rose, Dragboff, Field, I mean, guys who died for the team, the fans know and loved it, and then they see how the teams, at least one of our own. So there'll be never any breaking point for you. Like this is still going to be your team, no matter how, no matter what happens. I just hope I see another third man on before I go to the upper room. I just heard from an agent, I just heard from an insider who knows a lot about things that happen in local sports, who said, they 1,000% have security following him. He's being purposely agitated for some reason, maybe because they don't want him being the face of the fans. They want new blood like a Drake type ambassador. Do you think there's any chance that you're being targeted here, Spike? Yes, I've said it several times, probably. I'm being harassed by James Dolan. I do not know the reason why I'm being harassed. I mean, that's quite a chance. It's got, let's just let this go. I know everyone at the garden, the usher's security, ushers who've been, who've seen my children go up. My boy's 24, my son's 22. We would bring our kids crazy, because Oakley was playing, but we had more hymns in our arms. These guys have the lookalike, I don't even speak to them, because I know they get in trouble if they're speaking to me. So we got a little look, just look until they give mother a smile, and I don't want nobody to fight. So I understand, I understand that people walk on eggshells in that square garden, because James don't defy your ass any second. Spike, thanks for checking in, man. I'm glad that, you know, we know that you swore on your mother's grave that you were never told that it's a different entrance, and if they had told you, you would have gone in at different entrance. The same way I stopped going down the ramp a month ago. Amazing. Spike, thanks. Let's say no. I'm telling the truth versus the garden spinner. Thank you for having me. You got it, Spike.