 Just be aware that there are several more different places where you need to sign. Sign now? We just transitioned to Nemer. It's a big deal for this town. Right, July 1. Working on it for five years. And there are no, when I was in here yesterday, the normal thing about signing the highway orders was here, but there weren't any highway orders, so I left Sandra a note, and she explained that there weren't any highway orders, so there was nothing to sign. So there's one, two, three. There's four different places to now sign, apparently. Kind of dear away. So, do you want to just give us an update of, I don't know if you're having problems today? So, let's start out with the FY17 end of your budget to actual. This is FY18. FY19, this one says. I want you to look at the QuickBooks. Can you 2017 through June 2018? That was the one on the Google Docs. Yeah, okay. I'm going to pass these around. Here's hard copies if you want to film. FY18 year end? Yeah. Yes. You want one? And now we're having an FY19. So, the FY18 year end looks pretty good. However, we need to remember these are unaudited numbers. Prior to FY17, we were on an accrual basis, and while Sullivan and Powers was auditing FY17, he transitioned us from accrual to cash. They may make adjustments to the FY18 end of year numbers if there were accrual adjustments made at the beginning of FY18. So, we look good. I expect us to continue to look good in terms of budget to actual expenses and income. But we would have a final budget to actual once the auditors have made any necessary adjustments to bring this particular report into a cash basis. So, it looks good. I don't know that there will be very many adjustments, thinking that there may be one or two in highway, because I think we're going to end FY18 very strong. So, I had a question on this under the highway. Yes. The roadside mowing says we budgeted ten. No, we budgeted ten. The second one over is the budget, right? Yeah, but it's wrong. We budgeted ten for roadside mowing. To do it twice a year. Well, your budget, you budgeted five according to this budget, and you spent ten for. Oh, maybe I'm thinking 19. I'm thinking 19. I'm thinking 19? Okay. Yeah, that's right. The idea started after we'd already passed the budget. Yeah. You're right. Okay, good. Okay, that answers that question. Yeah, I kind of just looked at this and it looks like, you know, we stayed within budget for most everything. You know, if you look at the bottom one, you know, an individual line item, some of them are over, some of them are under. That's right. One thing you will notice, and we'll talk about this again at the end of FY19, just a heads up. A little seed in your memory banks is, if you look at sand, it's numeric number 5018. Under highway? Under highway, yes. You will see that they have spent zero of their budget and that their budget was $65,000, so clearly that helps with being under budget. The reason for that is due to finishing up grant work, the highway department was unable to truck sand, which at end June, which is their typical process for purchasing sand. They're going to truck it in July. If we were on an accrual basis, you would have seen last year's sand booked into this year. That's what typically happens. It pops into the year in which it's used. It's considered inventory. But because we are now on a cash basis, what we pay is the actual, it's real time expenses. So Alfred and I have discussed how do we want to do that? Does he want to continue to truck sand in July in future years? Does he want to, over the next couple of years, truck some in June, truck some in July until we get it all into one fiscal year. He will ponder that and take a look at this question again in June and then make it next June, 2019, and make a decision how he wants to go forward and work with that. That really is, I believe, the only big budget number that was dramatically affected by switching from accrual to cash. Would you agree with that, Alfred? Yeah, as far as large numbers, yes. So that is something he and I will begin to discuss again next spring. How does he want to manage that? And he will be looking at his budget and making that decision. So I think we can put FY18 away unless there are other questions. Anybody else have any questions on FY18? Can you tell us where we're at with FY17? Well, FY17 is in the process of auditing. They were here two weeks ago. Yeah, two weeks ago. So they come in for two full days. They rifle through the boxes. They read out minutes. They review our reports. They take a look at your orders, and they determine what adjustments they need to make. And in this case, they're adjusting again for transitioning from accrual to cash. And then they proceed to do the rest of the audit and analysis in office. We are scheduled to roll right into FY18 tomorrow. Tomorrow, Tuesday and Friday of this week. You mean to start the audit? For FY18, they will be undertaking the office part of the audit Tuesday and Friday of this week. And then the rest of FY18 will be done in-house. They're going to give us a management letter at some point, I would think, on FY17? Absolutely. So they may decide to... Or they combine it? Yes, and I haven't spoken... I haven't talked with Fred to see exactly what his thinking is on that, but you will definitely get a management letter. He has... I think he's done a very thorough job. He's made sure that we are paying people in accordance with select board minutes. He is looking at our personnel policy, and will probably have recommendations for the board. That's good. I hope he does. I think he will. And I think that that might be an agenda item for the fall for the board to take a look at that personnel policy. Well, yeah, we're going to start looking at it sooner, and we still can because there are some changes that we know we want to make, but having their recommendations would be helpful. So, and what other recommendations they may have remained to be seen, they would like to tighten up how the town, how the treasurer's office receives swim monies. And so we've taken up a just a light dialogue with the swim program folks. They're volunteers. They work really hard. We don't want to burden them with unnecessary paperwork, and yet we want to be compliant with what the auditors are going to suggest. So that remains to be seen. One thing we do know is that the swim program does hold the applications and the liability waivers in a kitchen drawer, and I think they'd be really happy moving them out of their kitchen drawer and into the town files. And so when that is convenient, I have invited them to do that, and we'll make the room for that. So FY18 is, what is that? I thought I was thinking about the grass. So FY18 for all intents and purposes is closed. Pursuant to the select boards like it authority to consolidate accounts, which was also at the recommendation of all accountants, consultants, and auditors at this point, those accounts have been consolidated. The accounts that remain separate are the surety accounts, the cemetery endowment, the swim fund investment accounts, and our two tax sale accounts where we're holding the proceeds of the tax sales for the entirety of the redemption period. That's a year, right? Correct. There are two separate escrow accounts. They, by law, they have to earn interest and pursuant to the tax sale attorney's advice, they need to be held in separate accounts in escrow with the taxpayers or the parcel owner's name on them. Right. So that has been accomplished. Nimrick is all but on. I am currently programming in historic payroll data. So we are putting in employee by employee, quarterly information, federal, state, employee withholding, employer withholding, and so forth. We are having some difficulty with that. Our programs are biting with one another a little bit. Nimrick and RB Tech are troubleshooting the problem. Really, what happens is at times while I am inputting, the program shuts down unexpectedly and the data is lost. So it is making for a slow input. I'm a little frustrated with it. No doubt. You can only input one quarter per employee at a time. So the loss of information while annoying is still a relatively small loss. It's certainly not an entire quarter of 20 employees. So that's a small piece of sunshine. We are... Melanie is still coming in? Melanie, I haven't talked with Melanie yet. We are going to get her in to push over some starting account balances. I haven't needed her to come in. A fairly large payroll will run on the 13th. That's this Friday. So my big push at the moment is to get all of that programmed in. That's about every employee we have. We have a voluntary swim program, folks. Listers, road crew, admin. So big payroll coming and we're going to hope that it works. Right. Well, it worked last week, right? It did the second time. The first time there was a glitch. We're laughing because she has in her, what you will see in your folder, where avoided payroll checks, the program, yes, failed to pull out federal taxes. So that was... All things, right? Yep, an internal issue. It wasn't programmed in on memory side, and they went back and they fixed that. So it was the computer program. I thought it was the federal. I didn't understand. Okay. No, the computer program failed to pull it out. So we caught it. That's great. And corrected checks were issued. The program by and large is running as I expected. Other than programming it, which we're still in the process of doing, putting in the little bits and pieces and the big piece of payroll, it's running very smoothly. It's quicker. And I think much more efficient at this point. Again, it's just pulling in the information. The next big thrust. So if you're running payroll this Friday, do you need me to come in and sign some review stuff? No, payroll is allowed to be produced and released pursuant to the financial policy that the select board initiated years ago. So you guys make sure you're not lacking in anything that you need. No, we've got it. And I thank you so much. Okay, next. So I have an answer and a question. You asked me about that one check. If the select board authorizes me to pay the East Calis check, I can, as long as you say, I can issue it and release it this evening. I can issue it and release it in the next day or two. So that is at your pleasure. Yeah, I don't really want to have them be held up to get their money. I think they appreciate it. And it's the amount I circle. The one on the bottom, their work, three tiers. She had a hard time figuring it all out, but we got it. So do you need a motion? Yes, probably. That's kind of outside the realm of your existing financial policy. At some point you can do that now. We might as well do it now while we're all here. I'm thinking about it. I make a motion to pay the catering bill to the East Calis general store for 143 and change or whatever. Yeah. Second. Okay. All those in favor, please say hi. Hi. Hi. One quick question. Wyatt Healy, the cemetery sexton. Made a request for his sextons stipend to the issue today. And in the context of that conversation, he advised me that it was the cemetery commission's belief that any unused portion of their budget rolls over into the next year. I am unaware of that policy and I'm just looking for confirmation that that is correct. We would have had to put something on the morning, correct? Well, on the town meeting morning, if they were going to roll over money into the reserve fund, is that what you're talking about? For FY19, you've made an appropriation within an article. So that money, if there's any leftover, clearly belongs to them. Right. It would roll over to them automatically. But for FY18, I believe that was simply in the budget as opposed to an article. So he says it's been the practice of the select board to roll over. Your budget is always an article. I didn't even get my hand right. Let's go grab that. Maybe you're getting confused with something else. And normally they don't have any money left over. Well, that's what I thought and I have seen other notes that would suggest they go over. That's usually the case and we have to take money out of our budget to bail them out. So I'm confused. What's the relevance between his request and money? I don't know. I just got nothing. I just got started with a, it just was a thought that flew through my head and came out of my mouth. That's all there is to that. I guess I'm uncomfortable making any decisions based on your say request. I think it's up to the Cemetery Commission to make a request of us not Wyatt. And then we can have that conversation. And also it's not up to us whether Wyatt gets paid as stipend. That's a cemetery thing. So they need to come to us. And somehow we're holding us first range. But the cemetery, his stipend is not a separate line item. No, I think it's in the top 10s of the pages. Is he talking about that? It's $2,800. $2,800. Yeah. And I don't know the wages. I don't know when he typically has gotten paid that money. I wouldn't know. I went into accountants world and I don't see any evidence of that in his payroll history. But that doesn't mean it wasn't put on as a separate item at some point in time. It might be able to shed some light on past history. Right. But if it's a payment, it needs to go through the same process as any other payroll. The cemetery commissioners need to sign off on the orders just as they always do for anything else. We're not going to authorize payment of something that's money within their purview, I guess. Right. Exactly. Well, and that is fine. I'm going to come in and sign off on that. The question I'm on page. I have is have you rolled over unused monies? They have $9,000 unused from FY 18. That is why. I know we've had an issue with this at different times. Usually, like I said, they run out of money and we have to take money out of the select board budget. But now that they have extra money. Do we know that that's an accurate statement? Well, it's an unaudited, as Sandra said, it's unaudited. What is the surplus amount that we believe? Roughly $9,000. $9,000 plus. But that's not audited, right? Correct. I guess I'd have to go back and look at previous town reports, but I'm pretty sure. I do not see an article of appropriation for this years. It's usually at, well, cemetery budget. I remember it because they asked me why we were putting an article on about their budget for FY 19. Right. Which would have been. They didn't like the fact that we were no longer burying their stuff within our budget. Right. And we said, no, because you're separately elected. Right. And separately separate budget. You're a separate body. Much like the select boards. Right. And that's why we're untaught. If we don't have a, if there is not an institutional recollection of that rollover, I think that first of all. Yeah, right here. It's article six. Shall the voters appropriate $49,000 for the operation of maintenance of the town cemeteries? First page. Period. Well, that's for this year, though. Right. That's for FY 19. Which absolutely from a legal standpoint. We may not have done it last, we may not have put it on last time, but I know we've put it on before. And if we didn't put it on the FY 18, we should have, but we will be going forward. So the question then is, is there are those funds, unspent funds, are they properly a fund balance of the cemetery commission, or do they end up in the fund, in the general government fund balance? I think that's a question we need to ask. That's a question we need to find out the answer to, and it's not to say that the select board couldn't say, you know, we can put it back into the cemetery budget. And the corollary to that is, why is there such a substantial surplus when it seems like every year they're scratching pennies together, so did a project not get initiated, or completed, or that's an amazing... It's considered they're usually in the deficit. Surplus for that. So we can... I think we need more information. The exact amount of their, well used fund balance very loosely on page three, the last number, second to the right, nine cents, eight, sixty-three. So if you don't mind, it was budgeted last year, pardon me, it was budgeted for FY18, as opposed to an appropriation, but because it is a separate budget, if you authorize it, I'd like to just give Jim Barlow a quick ring and say, where do we stand on that? Is it simply theirs, or is it the town's and the select board then can make that determination? Yeah. Jim's on vacation this week, just so you know. I don't think there's any hurry. No. But you may collectively get phone calls about that because I could not answer that question. The information was not readily available. Yeah, I'm likely to get an email from John Samanskas. I could just say this institutional memory has no recollection of that and I've been with the board for 15 years. Yeah, she used to take our minutes, so. Well, that's very interesting because it was presented to me that it was done by article and it was done, it's always been the practice. It's always been the practice. To roll over unused funds. I don't know that they've ever had any unused funds to roll over ever before. Do we do... I'm sorry, I was looking at the orders. They need to give us documentation. Do we know that it was or know that it wasn't in articles in previous years? I'd have to go back and look. I'd be happy to do that. That's something I can do. That doesn't take any institutional memory to go look at old. Yeah, if you want to, that'd be great. Yeah, I'd be happy to do that one. And while I have floor pass question, one of the orders, I just don't understand the explanation. So this is to correct for the push over of an FY18 delinquent tax deposit. What is that? So what Sharon is looking at is a journal entry. So part of the internal procedures that auditors are going to be looking for is every time I go in to make a correction in your general ledger, I am to produce for you the correction and the documentation for it. In this case, in F for whatever reason, the program pushed over a FY18 deposit. It should have only pushed over FY19 deposits. So we, because we're on a cash basis, we had to pull the FY18 amount out of our receivables. Okay. And that is what this correction is doing. So this is not any real money going anywhere. No. It's just bookkeeping. Okay. Bookkeeping. There is a second journal. And this is the difference between NEMRIC and QuickBooks because every entry that gets made has to be accounted for and documented. That way it's accountability or I don't know what the right word is, but... Well, and this is bookkeeping as well, the swim fund one, but it was clear, so I'm not asking quite a lot of questions. Right. So the next journal entry was, I did not divide the unemployment insurance between general government and the swim fund. It was just one of those hands, just got, had my trigger finger too fast. So I went back in and pulled out the dollar and one cent attributable to this swim program. I was like, I was looking, I looked at that dollar and one cent. Okay. Well, but that's the way it works. That's the way it works. And that is the beauty of the program. What you won't see are, you know, interest postings, you know, when we get our bank statements, I won't bother with you with a general ledger on that. You'll see that in your trial balance at the end of the month. One big thrust, and I'm hoping that Sullivan and Powers will get quickly on our FY18 audit, is to get our opening balances for FY19 analyzed and input into Nimrick. Right now, we're pretty much on zero for everything. So, except for a few that Melanie did that we were able to safely, forensically look at. And speaking of Sullivan and Powers, we already signed the contract, but this is the terms of engagement. So, we already got married, but now we're signing the... It's the post-nup. The post-nup. Right. So, you would like us to sign these? There seems to be several copies. There are two copies for each year. Oh, okay. I see. It's different fiscal years. And you reviewed them and they... They are standard. Standard. Okay. So, I would like to have a select word. Someone make a motion. So, that we may sign these scope of services of Sullivan and Powers for FY18 and 17, correct? Yes. Is there a second? We're about to see ongoing. That's the work that's ongoing right now. Right. Is that a second? Who made the... Someone make a motion? I did. Okay. Is there a second? Do you do it? No. I'll second it. Okay. Any further discussion? We signed the contract you'll remember at the last meeting. Okay. So, this is just to follow up to that. All right. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none. Okay. Now, like I said, there's four different documents that need to be signed. We'll keep one in our files and the other one gets shipped off to Sullivan and Powers. All right. Is there anything else you would like to update us about? We're waiting on the release of the renovation loan funds. That should probably happen any day now. We initially asked them if they would release those on or about July 10th. Okay. That are given the cash flow needs of the project. For a minute. Right. So, I... If we don't see that in our account by Wednesday, I'll give them a call. If they send you something, won't they just show you? They ought to email me and let me know that it has been released. Right. But they will... Yeah. They'll... Should electronically transfer it in. Okay. Four different places to sign. Yes, ma'am. So, looking back at our town report for town meeting 2015, we did approve to establish a cemetery fund for the purpose of retaining any cemetery fund balance available at the end of the fiscal year to be used for deferred maintenance and unforeseen expenses and authorize the treasurer on behalf of the cemetery commissioner to apply any cemetery fund balance at the end of the fiscal year to that cemetery fund. Thank you. That does it. There you go. Then he was correct and we don't always remember everything. No. But it doesn't stay in their budget. It goes into that reserve fund. It would go into a cemetery fund, but it's a fund, it's a fund balance. It doesn't go into their endowment account, correct? It remains for them to be able to use for... To use for cemetery work. Right. The gist of the conversation with Wyatt was that they intend to use their budget plus that on projects this year. So that was in 2016 that we established it. So that would have been effective in that point, right? Getting mixed up with these books. Because we meet in 2016... No, we... It was March of 2016. So that's not quite... Was it Town Meeting 16? We don't have to figure that out probably right here. It was Town Meeting 2016. Right. So going forward... So presumably since there's no end date, that will just simply rule the day and I can put that in the back of my head. Okay. Thank you for looking that up, Rose. Good. I appreciate it. I had no time before this meeting to do that today. I was just chasing my Nimrick program. Excuses, excuses, excuses. Thanks, John, right? All right. Do you have anything else? I do not. Does... Do you have any questions for me? No. Are you feeling okay? Other than... Yes, I am frantic and frazzled because that darn program keeps shutting off on me. Other than that, it's feeling really good. Oh, yes, an update. I do have one last thing for the board. I was hoping to be able to tell you or to give you or the majority of you an idea when we could set the town tax rate. That's what I was going to ask you. I saw this. So the state... That's the school. That's the school. The listers do not have a final grand list. And without that number, we cannot set a tax rate. I've asked them if they have an idea when they'll have that grand list for us. They are working really hard on a particular grievance result. I think a last email was sent to the board concerning that. Was that the last grievance? Mm-hmm. And so they're pondering that by law I am told I am reminded, I should say, that they are not required to have a grand list until July 25th. So it's possible... Can I just be able to set the tax rate now at the July 23rd select board meeting? Maybe you should send a blast email. I could do that. I can send an email asking if we'll be ready to set it so I can put it on an upcoming agenda on July 23rd. Sure. If that is not an email that... If that email includes me as a CC, could you please ask for a reply all? And the only reason for that is I would have Nimrick on board to make sure that I utilized all functions on the program to program in our town tax rate and the other local agreement rates that we have. I just want to make sure that's done right. I have not utilized the program for that purpose in the past. Okay. All right. So, yes, I will do that. Okay. Well, thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks for everything. We're on Nimrick. We're on... Oh, yeah. Wait, wait. Congratulations. You did it. You did it. You did it. You did it. I'm not still doing it. You did it. You did it. It will be did done, do it soon. I hope. That's great. Well, I brought my W-4s and all that that I've been sitting on my kitchen table since May 4th. I brought them today. They're still not filled out, but... Okay, that's fine. They're closer to the town office. That's excellent. Good thing, Rose. Thank you so much. You'll get them soon. They're closer. Oh, my. All right. Perfect. Next up. Thank you, Sandra. Thanks. Thank you very much. Thank you. How are you? How are you? Right away. Alfred, did you get my voicemail message today? About the right way. Yeah. And whether or not you had an opportunity to go with us again. Yeah, I've talked to Paul Kate about it extensively. Okay, I don't know. Are you here for the... Yes, I am. My name's Ken Trask. You're Ken. Okay. Nice to meet you. Sometimes behind the cash register. Sometimes behind the grill. Oh, that's even better. Lots of times behind the grill. It's even better. Okay. So Alfred, you've gone and looked at it. They want to put a four inch drain pipe across the full width of the right of way. Install a basement drain pipe across. And this is a drain pipe for the co-op. Right. The basement of the co-op. The basement of the co-op. I'm guessing it gets a lot of water in it. Yeah, it gets a lot of water. We've almost lost the furnace and the compost in the toilet twice. That's not, especially not the compost in the toilet. Yeah. So... Conceration of that. Let's never lost. Oh, there you go. All right. So Alfred, your thoughts or... The biggest concern I have is compaction. And they backfill it. Try to use the same material they take out. Okay. So usually how far do you want it buried? Well, it's coming out of the basement and it needs to run away. So it's got to be at least 60, I would say, standing on it. That won't work? It won't work. It can come out more of a brook, yeah. Okay. Right. So the brook dictates the elevation. Right. Well, what we did, we surveyed it to find out where it comes out of the building. Excuse me. It goes into... John and David? Crosses. We're not making any noise, too. Of course. That's right. And we can bring it out, basically, at the bottom of the bank across that. Yeah. Over here. Okay. Which is... For me, the elevation doesn't much matter. I mean, here, if we hit it with a grater, it's... Oh, it'll be... It's not a problem. It's worth it, but... Understood. Yeah. We shouldn't have any problems. There's a dip right here at the intersection of the core. They're over the water ponds up. That's going to be two feet deep there, plus or minus. I think the deepest is at the center of the river. It might be three and a half. No. Something like that. I might just suggest to insulate that. Yeah. Where it's still shallow. Right. Because, especially where you're driving, it's going to drive across now and there. That was... So what are we looking at? You want... I'm just suggesting that they insulate it. So insulate the drain pipe? Insulate the top of the drain pipe where it's not at all frost low. Which it sounds like it's... Hold it back. That's the right thing. Okay. Insulate the drain pipe. I didn't hear what else you said. I didn't understand what else... Insulate the top of the drain pipe. Yeah. I got that. Where it is not below frost low. Oh, where it's not below frost low? Okay. Gotcha. And it's just... It's more of their own protection. It's... Right. So you don't want it... Yeah. You don't want it to freeze. Because that whole area is going to be cloud and frost goes deeper where it's cloud. Right. And it already freezes now. Yeah. That's part of the problem. It freezes. And you want it to be compacted back to current standards or current conditions? Yeah. Can I ask who's doing the work? We're doing it with volunteers. Myself. Okay. Rick Butterscomb. I think Rick will probably help Cullen Blackwell. And Paul's got a back on a 75 horsepower tractor. We're not going to be that deep. Paul talked to you about getting some signage, right? Yeah. I offered some signage. Yeah. Just to be safe. Okay. We'll coordinate with you before we get it organized. We'll give you a call and coordinate when we actually... Yeah. Because usually you like to be around when they're doing this, right? Yeah. I just like to see, make sure it's a safe situation. And Paul, it sounded like he was going to be a part of it. Yeah. The road's wide enough. Right. The road's wide enough there in front of the co-op where it's going across. We envision keeping one-way traffic. So we'll have to have a couple of people keeping their eye on things and stopping and going. But I'm pretty sure we can keep one-way traffic so we don't have to close the road off. And hopefully since it's so shallow, even a bunch of frameworks can get it done in a couple of days. Good. All right. Anything else? Any other questions about the right-of-way? Okay. I got all that written down. So I'd like to make a motion to approve the right-of-way for the iMAT co-op. Some will... Okay. I'll take that. I'll take that. Any further discussion or questions? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay. I'll get this done up and get it to you. I'll get it out this week. Okay. Great. Thanks very much. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, here's another one. Share. Denise said four. I found five. Oh, maybe there's five. Maybe we have to sign a couple more. Did I sign it? Yeah, you did. Let me try it. All right. Alfred. Do you want to join us and talk about a truck? Where are we at? Well, we're not much further ahead than we were last meeting. Okay. He's sort of... He being... He being Bill Clearing at JNB International. Okay. He is now saying that he doesn't have a motor. He doesn't have a motor. He doesn't have a motor. He is now saying that he doesn't have a motor adequate to put in that truck. He's saying that he's found out that the trucks all had more miles than the truck that we have now. So he, through an email, was sometime last week. I only worked Monday and Tuesday and the rest of the week I was off. So I didn't get the email until this morning. He's offering $5,000 towards a new motor. Instead of... Instead of a used motor. Oh, a new motor, okay. A brand new motor. But the new ones aren't available, right? But the new ones aren't super available unless he's found one. And I tried to call him a couple of times today and he's out until Wednesday on a business trip, whatever. So this is why I don't have a lot to offer for information from him. So we still don't have anything more about a lease? We're still working on the lease. We have captured a space for a new truck through Charlie Boys. So Charlie Boys. That's the one that Toby was talking about. Right. Because I found out J&B can't, they don't have any slots is the word. There's no slots from J&B until March. So we don't want to wait till March. So we're forced to go with, as far as a new truck, to go with Charlie Boys. So we've secured that slot. Oh, you have? Yes. And we're still working on the trade, whether we have to buy a truck regardless of what we do with the trade. And I feel like we have to fix the trade in order to get any sort of money out of it. So I'm still working on how we're going to fix that trade. It's not been easy. This is a very tough situation. Do you need some? Well, I mean, I think it's coming to that. I mean, he's sort of beating me around the bush a little bit, you know? And I told me and I were going to go down either today or tomorrow and have a face to face with him. Yeah, I think that's a pretty, I mean, that's a good idea. I haven't let us know. But we haven't, he's out until Wednesday. So that idea is... So can you make arrangements to go on Wednesday and Thursday? Yeah, I'm thinking Thursday would be a good time to go. Yeah, because I mean, he told you this other song and dance and the only show. Well, that's it. I mean, he's just, he's not any, I still don't have a firm number for a new motor put in that truck. He's telling me that he'll give us 5,000 out of J&B's pocket towards the new motor. But I still don't know what the exact motor is going to cost. Okay. Have we put anything in writing? Yeah, but we should be starting. I think it's good. It sounds like it's time to start. Well, let's let them drop there. I've got some emails that he has written to me. A lot of it has been verbally over the phone, but I do have some emails from him. So I'm going to suggest that you guys go and meet with him. Ask him to put some kind of a quote or something to you in writing. We can go back when we have one of our staff meetings and we can put together a chain of events, kind of timeline thing, because this is just getting ridiculous. This has been going on for months. Yeah, we're approaching three and a half months now. Well, that's why I'm wondering what you need for help and it sounds like we need to... I mean, the worst part about this whole thing is the truck went out of warranty a month before this happened. Right. A month. Somebody should be standing up for that warranty. Right. And the fact that there was a class action lawsuit on top of it, it's just not good. It's not looking good for doing future business with them if this is how we're going to get treated. Right. I mean, you've bought a lot of trucks over the years. I agree. I bought all of our trucks from them and they've been great. The thing that has changed is the father of the business passed away. Right. And they know it's the son that's running it. That often happens. It's kind of gone downhill. So, can I just make a couple suggestions around the... So, after your meeting, when you ask him for a quote, I would suggest you follow up with... Regardless of what he says, follow up with a really clear email. Thank you for meeting with us. Here's what we asked for. Give him a date certain so that you're in control of all the steps forward. Yeah. I mean, I can help you with that. Just so that if, you know, because the run around and sort of open end in this is going to keep the run around continuing. And if you put a date out there, let him know we're going to start taking action after these dates. Right. I think, you know, if we need to, you know, we can get Jim involved because this is just getting crazy. Like I said, the fact that there was a class action lawsuit and then our warranty expired a month and a half after in the red motor blue. I mean, this is just... Right. This is just not a good... You know, up until now, I felt pretty good about him making efforts. But now I'm feeling like... You can't get a change. Because he gave us a price for a used motor put in that truck. Right. We sat here, talked about it. We made an agreement. We were going to put the used motor in there. Now he's saying that he doesn't have a motor to put in there. Right. Because the truck... The truck he was going to take it out of it, take out of, he's saying that the truck was... He allowed $35,000 for that truck in a trade. So now he doesn't want to take the motor out of that because it was just the value of that truck. That's not our problem. No. I mean, he... He didn't know what he was talking about apparently. Or he knew exactly what he was talking about. Or he knew... Yeah. Or he's changing his tune midstream. Yeah. And that could be too. Could be any of those. Right. But it's not acceptable. And at the last meeting, Alfred gave the two scenarios so much for a new motor and so much for the used. We talked it over. We decided the used motor because the new motors, there are none available. There are no such things. And now he's offering us $5,000 off a new motor. And there's no new motors out there. Right. Because it's... And he knows that. Well, unless that has changed. And I haven't talked to him since that email. Yeah. So maybe he's found a motor and that's why he's offering us. But... Right. Well it could be in conjunction with the fact that he doesn't want to take that used motor out of that other used truck. Yeah. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a get through the season game. Yeah. Right. So me and Toby have talked about going and having a face-to-face with them. Yeah. Well, I think you need to. And if Toby's not available, I'll go with you. Yeah. You don't have any problems going? Yeah. I don't have anything about trucks. I mean, up until now I've been, you know, kind of giving him some leeway and letting him work with us. But I'm done with that now. I mean, that just seems like he's taken advantage of the situation and I'm not going to allow that. Yeah. No, I mean, you've been doing a good job of negotiating. Put it in writing. Start your paper. Okay. Yeah. Did you see the summer projects list? I did a draft document to post on Front Forge Forum. Sharon recommended that I include something about roadside mowing, which I will do with a good suggestion. I just wanted to see if you'd looked at it, if you're okay with it. Oh, we're going to say what? The culverts. Oh, yeah. You forgot the T on culverts, or unless you fix it. We're going to turn our culverts into culverts. No, I know that. Oh, oh, oh. And I also had added a... The school board cherished for us. At the top of the first paragraph, I put in another sentence, and I sent it to Katie, but I don't think it worked. I don't think what I sent you, I think it got lost because it's culverts. And I added a sentence about... I've got it on my computer at home, I hope. But I made the comments and shared it with you. And that's why I think stuff doesn't work. I think it got lost in the year. But... If you sent it to her, you should have it at least here, you know? No, I didn't. I did that fancy Google share thing. So maybe you have it at home. You shared it with me and wanted me to move it to here. Right, because I had done... I fixed the type on culverts, and I added a sentence, another sentence at the beginning, and I shared it with you, but like I said, I don't know if it worked. I'm sorry, I didn't quite get the message on what to do with it. I'm going to look for it and I'll put it in the share folder, is that right? Yeah. And then I'm going to add a sentence about roadside mowing. Is everybody good with this? It's kind of just to the point. Okay, that's great. Is the roadside mowing done? I'm around one. First round. First round, yeah. Second round will start in August. August? Yeah. And I'll put it in a word that, you know, the contractor is working with us to be careful and identify... Control invasives. To help control invasives. People will appreciate that. Okay, what else do we have? Oh, I want to see if Albert had anything else. Yeah. John asked me to get another quote for the guardrails, and their quote was $9,800. Now this is for where? For the Jack Hill project. My first quote was what? $6,000, something like that. That's great information, right? Yeah, I mean, it's worth getting an extra quote because keep them honest, but that's $3,000. A contractor should take good care of us. Yeah, that's good. Well, yeah, that's good to know, so we can... Yeah. No. And those are the rusty... Quarten. Quarten. Quarten. And I did send... I think I included you, Alfred. I sent Alec Porto Lupi an e-mail and asked him to join us next meeting when we start at 615 down at Hayden Bridge. Oh, for the site visit. For the site visit, and I have him in her back room. I got a while I can keep poking at him, but we wanted to see about the wooden... how much the wooden stuff was, and just talk to him in general about guardrails and costs and... Right. Well, whether it's suitable for bridge construction. Right, yeah. That's the debate. That's the question. Right, so we just wanted to have kind of a general discussion with him about guardrails, but I thought it wouldn't hurt to have him come and look at the Hayden Bridge guardrails. Well, and he should look at the North Calus culvert, which is in a bridge which the drop is... It's steep, right. Twice or three times the drop off of the bridge. And it was... The guard forms a bridge, and that's allowed a wooden guardrail, but the little tiny, almost footbridge has to have metal on it, so... I know, it's like it doesn't make any sense. It's silly. Hayden is the one in North Calus, that we've talked about before. It's the one in the middle. The one that... The one that we're meeting. Upper Road. 615 there. Yeah. On the 23rd. Yes. So then we have this letter from the State of Vermont for the general permit. Ms. Monroe's general permit. Yeah. And I don't know how you want to handle that. It's due the 31st. The permits that we have to pay is like $400. It's $240, and that's $400. That's due next year. But I don't have any permit money in my budget, so I didn't know... There's no line on them for my budget. We're going to have to start putting it in next year. Right. So we're just going to... We're going to... We have to do it. We don't have a choice. And there's also a notice of intent letter that the select court has to send along with that... Didn't we already do something with... I remember asking Toby. I think that was a grant though. Oh, that was a grant. That was one of the grants. You had to send a letter of intent. Okay. Should I shake that? So you should probably take that and read and... And figure it out. Put some sort of a letter together. Okay. But just saying that you're going to abide by the state's rules for this permit. Like we have a choice, right? We're already doing it. We've been doing it before this. Right. I was going to say we're ahead of the court on all this. Yeah. Okay. I will put this in my to-do pile. I need a sticky though. Do you have any stickies on the table? Nope. All right. Do you have anything else? I don't think so. One thing. Don't we usually, June, July 1st, we get the boot allowance? Yes. Is that something that the slug board has to approve? I think it's in the budget. I think it's just something we need to remind Sandra about because this is her first year. Yep. That's fine. I just didn't know if it had to be approved or not. So it's in the budget. Boot. Boot. Allowance. Boot. I thought you said food. Well, we all like food, too. I was trying to say they probably love that kind of thing. I'm trying to keep reclaim that. What do you need to say? It's for safety work, please. Yeah. Got it. Okay. And then I put gravel pit ideas underneath your section, but actually Scott has some thoughts and ideas. And I don't know. He talked to me about them and I thought it would be good if Scott talked to the full board and you put it all out there on the table so that, you know, some ideas come ideas. So, Scott, you're just in the nick of time talking about gravel pits. Oh. Your favorite subject. Your favorite subject other than gravel. I don't remember that. Do you want to sit down and talk? Yeah, just gravel pits. It's a stony issue, though, isn't it? It's been a rocky road. But, you know, a wonderful thing about not being on the board is that you can kind of have time to pursue your passion. So, to make a long-term insurance. You're digging yourself a bigger pit. Deeper and deeper hole. Yeah. I kind of, I don't really have a definite proposal, but I'm sort of offering my services to try to get the answers to some questions. Well, and McCullough, obviously, it's not going to work out when you kind of look at that. Unless it's another option to pursue. It's our best option. Yeah. And you said you were working with the Conservation Commission. Well, the Conservation Commission has done an interesting thing. They've surveyed all of the callots to find gravel, and they've tried to find gravel in a place where there aren't neighbors. Right. And there may be a few that they can find. You know, because Stephanie's got this theory, and I think she's probably right. You'll never get permits for a gravel pit. Near neighbors. Near neighbors. And so it's a, yeah. So that's, I went to one of their meetings where they were talking about that. And it made sense to connect with the Conservation Commission. But it also makes sense, I mean, one way I could run this is to be a consultant to the Conservation Commission for free and find out what the answers to some questions and other questions. Or I could work directly for you guys. I mean, I don't know what's the good way to go. I mean, I could come to a future Conservation Commission meeting to talk about the gravel that we're at. But I think it's probably a joint thing. And I don't know if Alfred has any thoughts on this. I know there's a really nice gravel bank, or rather a source of gravel. Sometimes. It's on the county road. Somebody in this room owns it. And that's where some energy should go to. Yeah. Oh, I think so. I think that's. That's a very good product. You've got two different types of stone in there. If you could mix that, that would be an excellent product. There's no sand product there. It's not, no, but you still have to find sand somewhere. But for gravel and dense grade, you're not going to find anything better. It's much like the Marshfield stuff that we're buying now, right? Big Virginie? Yeah. Good buying. And a crush. That is, yeah. Maybe that would be better. I would suggest a little energy goes into that. I don't know if Black Rock is at all interested in that. But I think with the help of the town, I think maybe that might be more feasible. I think that McCulloch's, we burned that, beat that horse to death, Scott. You know, let it go, let them operate it. And we can still buy our winter sand from them. Yeah. And other products that we need. Crush stone, whatnot. I mean, I don't mean Diverse Your Bubble. I really don't. But I think that, you know, spend your energy in a place where it's more beneficial. Yeah. And I think that that place on the County Road is an excellent source. Like I said, you've got two different types of stone there. Yeah. Mix that up, grind it up. And man, you are going to have a really good product for these roads. Yeah. Right into that. And it's close. It's more essential to town. Yeah. Right. Well, maybe you could talk to one of the owners something. Well, they're hard to reach. I think they're retired from Florida. I'll go to Florida. That's the room. Yeah. I got time. One point, though. I think that having a creative energy outside of the board is very welcome. And thank you. And having different options, particularly because Rose is on our board and with our friends so that we are really arm's length and objective to her and everybody else with any conflict of interest. I might have a conversation with her. It's something that Scott could absolutely... We're done, right? Yeah. And he could actually have the conversation with... Good night. Good night. Thank you. Good night. Good night. Thank you, Sandra. It becomes so much more important that we have some very thorough investigation. Oh, we have to have... Turning over rocks. Turning over rock. No stone unturned. That's right. That's right. So I would encourage you to work with the Conservation Commission and investigate any valid opportunities, anything. And the Conservation Commission can find any spots. They think they found a couple. Like, you know, sand up around Bed Leonard's new house. Whose new house? So they're working on it. Ed Leonard? Yeah. I mean, it's all down to Kingsbury Branch. Yeah. Sand, sand, sand, gravel, gravel, gravel. Again, that's different material than the quarry on the sand. Yeah. Yeah, we would need to... You could have both, really, if we wanted to. Yeah. I mean, quick, quick rehash, and I'll really try to be quick. In our budgeting, we got control over almost nothing. We really cannot... We don't have any control of almost anything. I mean, it's all fixed costs. This might be a chance to get a little control over our sand and gravel. I mean, we budgeted $200,000 for sand and gravel for this year. For gravel, I don't know, do you put on an additional 50% for trucking? Is the budget for the material? And, you know, anyway, it's a lot. It's a ton. It's a ton. It is a lot. And you're saying the more local the source, the more control we have over our expenses. If we had our own pit, we could make our own... We could have designer gravel. I mean, Alfred could say for this month we need that. Right. And we don't have to truck it so far. Yeah. Gravel, they're not making any more of it. We have to go further and further to pay more and more when we don't have our own source. And sometimes the quality isn't really what you want, but... Settle for what they've done now. But you settle for what they have at the time. So, I mean, there's some good things, a lot of good things about it. Toby started a spreadsheet that was kind of an econometric model. I would try to work with him on that and get, find out, update the parameters and find out what other parameters are. I really think economically it would make sense, but... And we talked about it on and off. And I appreciate you're stepping up to work on this. So, I'll be going around asking questions and reporting back. Yep. When are you going to come back? A couple months. A couple months, maybe, yeah. Maybe the end of summer. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I'll talk to Fred quick just to settle that one. And I will... Pursue other options. Yeah, I'll... I can talk to you. See what's up. Absolutely. Yeah. And, you know, when everybody I talk to, I'll say, I'm not on the board. I'm just interested, a passionate, volunteer citizen. So, that's my idea. That's good. It's great. It's good. Thanks, guys. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Good idea. Great. Yep. Very good. Okay. Anything else, Alfred? No. I'm going to go home if you... Excuse me. You're here. Excuse. Thank you. You told me you're not here. So, I assume he doesn't have any updates. Do you have something? Just very briefly, because I know I haven't been here in a long time. Just... I haven't talked to you in a while. So, I thought I'd come and say hi. And say that Barbara Butler is fabulous to have Barbara Butler as the assistant counselor. Good. You've been training her for about a month. She's catching on? She's catching on. She has, like, senior management experience and deep, you know, technical computing. She's just... Oh, really? She's just very professional and she's really fun to work with. We were just... So, I was really lucky. All right after our run, aren't you? Yeah. Yeah. And that allowed me to take a one-week vacation for the first time, and I can't remember over a year. And you... I just had to worry the whole time we were gone. Well, I didn't think about things, because I knew Barbara... And Sandra? Yeah. It's a great office staff, I'd say. We have a really good team right now, and I think we'll... As soon as we get over this number, this is very, very stressful in terms of that. Yeah. And Sandra's whole panel will be very well. Yeah. Yeah. It will hopefully smooth out in the coming... Yeah. In the coming weeks. So, what we're working on is we're preparing for the August 14th primary. We have the training on Wednesday, right? I believe so. Are you going to that? Yeah. I've got many confusing messages from the Secretary of State about... We'll talk about it in a second, but yeah. Okay. We'll talk about it Wednesday at staff meeting, because I'm signed up to go. Right. They sent us back a list that was inappropriate. It looked like we were signed up in different ways. So, I'll follow up on that. Okay. All right. So, July 15th, I'll post... I've posted here about the warning and the sample ballots. And the checklist will be posted around town and on the output. It's already posted on... So, we're voting here on the ballots? No. We'll use the tabulator. It's going to be here because we don't have another space right now. But I'm going to reconfigure it so that hopefully it's very smooth and we can get... Setting up volunteers and... The reason I ask is if there's a big writing campaign that's underway and it could wind up... I'm like, how does that work if there are massive writings? Then we have to count them. Right. So, we might need... The whole progressive ballot is all right, yes. So, we might need a lot of... Well, this is on a Democratic ballot, actually. Okay. All right. So, we might need help with the county if there's a lot of... Right. Right. And, you know, there's people that always... Right. So... Yeah. The office will be open from 7 to 7? 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. Okay. And the other just little bit of what you're buying it is a revelation during my vacation and also in a discussion with Sandra coming back is we are very much looking forward to having this office reconfigured. It is really difficult to do detailed, concentrated work. If you've been here this morning, I mean, you should see a video of it. I've just... I've been here enough now that I see it. Yeah. And this whole space just needs to be reconfigured. The San... Yeah. And some cubbies. What is this happening? Well, I mean, that's a good question. So, we just need to work on it. So, all the energy is going to... We haven't... We have blessed it informally. Yeah. We just don't know the cost. We have... We have money to do it, and Sandra says. I think it's about, you know, knowing what's going to happen over at the town hall. Right. We need to pour more energy into this, but it definitely needs a reconfiguration. We don't need to go into the details now, but it just needs to get up on the agenda. Yeah. Whenever you guys... Are there any short-term wins that we could implement immediately? That'd be a good thing to think about. It's really hard with just the computer set up. Once you start moving one piece, it's a big puzzle. It's almost worth doing the whole thing through. Yeah. I remember... I was sitting in there with, like, voting booths around here. Yeah. And now we know why, because it's just impossible. Right. With the traffic in and out, just think of how it is when we're here on Wednesdays or I'm here some other day. I just stop in, and it's like... Right. You know, it's just constant non-stop, the phone, walk-ins. People say, oh, it couldn't be that busy. It really is that busy. You know, I was doing a marriage license, and the listers were, you know, debating something. And you came here. It's something you have to have every little piece correct. Right. Now, the lister... It'd be good to put the listers over in this corner. We need to... Away from the... Yeah. Other... If you mix up the marriage license and the bottle license... There you go. So, I'm going to give you some details right now, but just want to put it up there as a... And I'll try to put some thought into how to move that forward. Yeah. I mean, I think we're just waiting for, you know, what's the plan? How much is it? You know, a construction bid to get rid of this countertop. I mean, that's... Right. There's going to be lots of debates with different people about what to do. And John, who designed this building, has a lot of opinions. So, it'll be a project. Yes, it'll be a project. But we'll get it done. A lot of towns have the listers in not just their own corner, but walled off because they need to talk to each other all the time. I think we need a private meeting space for a variety of reasons. There's a lot of delinquent taxes. But a meeting space is different than a designated lister work space that is their little corner of the world with high walls. Not just in a corner, but where they can talk. And, certainly, if someone's here to talk to them, they're in... Well, then they hold grievance hearings, and we need a place also to have personnel meetings. Wait, what's that I hear? A drum I've been beating? But grievance hearings, that is a public... And I don't know if the listers can be relocated to the... Right. To the basin of the town hall. No, they really need to have access to all the masks and all the... All the stuff on the wall. Deeds. That makes sense. And we actually do need to work very closely with them. We just don't need to hear every single word they say. And is Barbara taking a vacation? I think I asked Sandra, and she wasn't sure yet when. She's only worked a month, so I hope not. Right, right. But, I mean, she has Mondays and Fridays off anyways. She works two mornings and a full Thursday. I mean, we can work it out either way. I kind of know sometimes your kids come up and... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, very good. Thank you. A lot of things are going well. I think we're checking in on a more regular basis. It's great to have the Wednesday morning meetings with you and Cliff after the town hall renovation meetings. Yeah. I think that regular communication has really helped. Yeah. Good. Great. Thank you. Thanks Judy. All right. John McCullough was supposed to be here tonight to talk about the town hall renovation, but I don't see him. Okay. So anyways, so let me tell you where we're at. The play got done. It was a success. We've got... Hardigan was lined up for... I got the port-a-potty ordered. They're just... How about the septic? The work group. Septic, yeah. There's been a new container delivered to put those stuff that... The last of the stuff that has to come out of the town hall into the container. Some of the stuff is being worked on to be done like some kind of an auction. KDK? KDK. Yeah, I didn't recognize you. We do have an issue when we're checking with another vendor about the dumpster things, that you put all the scraps and all that stuff in there. Who is it that we have now? Is it Meyers now? Or Casanova? Well, there was just a problem this weekend that Meyers took it away, even though it was not filled yet. Right. So they had to... They're negotiating a new contract with someone else? Cassella, maybe? Yeah, Cassella. Because what Meyers wants to do is they only want to leave it on site for like seven days. So every time they come and get it, they charge you. Every time they drop off a new container, they charge you. So Cassella apparently doesn't do that. So Meyers is probably going to lose the contract because they're playing this game. They want to make more money. What else are we doing? I wasn't prepared to do this. I thought John was going to be here. Just swing over for the phone. Oh, right. We got to do this phone internet thing. I have to do that. I contacted Suburban today about coming to take out the tanks. Not the air tanks, what are they called? Gas tanks. That's it. Gas tanks. We have deconstruction works. Works is the one bid that we got that we reviewed at the last meeting, which you authorized Cliff and I to look at. And their price was like $4,800, which was a really good price. And they included taking the material away, hauling it away, but we were paying for that ourselves. So we knocked $1,000 something dollars. So it's like $4,800 now for the project. Yeah, the disposal was $1,100. We took that out. So now we're just looking at deconstruction, $4,800. So that explains the cross-offs. I was wondering about that. So anyways, we just need the full board to approve the one bid that we got. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. And that's pretty much it. We didn't have a meeting last week because people were out of town. What else was there? We wanted to start getting things on people's radar. So Scott's working on a sending out a notice of a pending RFP for the foundation work. I'm not sending out the actual RFP yet, but just telling people we think would be interested in bidding, hey, keep us on your calendar so that we're securing spaces. Scott is also looking into the possibility if we think we need to put up security fencing knowing what's available to us to have security fencing around the construction site. Right. As they're when they're doing the digging out of stuff, but I want somebody to fall. They shouldn't be over there anyways, but you never know, kids or kids or whatever. I would have been over there doing it when I was a kid. In terms of informing the public of what's going on periodically, Scott is going to do some laminated info sheets, a little kiosk type thing out in front of the building. So if people are driving by all the text going on there, they can see that Dono will periodically post updates to front porch form. Efficiency at Vermont is going to help us with our electrical planning and diagramming. When they swing the utilities to the pole, they will build a pedestal that will house the phone and the power temporary, but will also end up being a site for the permanent job for the final maintenance. Andy Felice is going to build that. Dan Weston from Mac has already been out to meet with John and Andy and Ernie about doing this. You had signed up on a zoning application. Yes, I have that here in my pile. There is a zoning application that the D, first off DAB makes a recommendation to the DRB of projects that are done in the historic district and then are requesting a permit. So there was a site visit of the DAB last Sunday. What's the D, what's the A? Design advisory board. Oh advisory, thank you. Last Sunday, so they did that. The DRB hearing is the 19th, if that's a Thursday. Thursday the 19th, I'll be attending the DRB hearing and I'm guessing that I won't be sitting on it as I signed off as the applicant for the town. So it's probably not appropriate for me to sit on it. I think they have enough people. So stay tuned. We've done our due diligence and filed the correct paperwork and stuff just like anybody else would have to. I'm talking to the movement of the power to the poll. Who's going to be doing the electrical 110 or 220 plus? I don't know that we have electricity yet. Yeah, electricity will be higher, but I don't know. Anybody on board yet? You know anybody? John McCollough knows all these people. Yeah, so between Ernie and John, they probably know somebody. Initially they thought the floorboards were too fragile to be able to reutilize a lot of them. The respondent to the demo RFP thinks he can salvage a lot of it. And if he can't, we do have comparable spruce flooring available that will fulfill the requirements of his protocol. Well, the Historic Preservation Commission agency or whatever they're called, you guys. Dugan, Jamie Dugan and David Sheets and stuff are concerned about putting an original looking floor back in. At least in the main floor area. Right, because we're talking about throughout, by the doorways, putting maybe in those old fashioned looking grates. And then around the perimeter, putting in some other type of flooring that would match up with the wood floor that looks like slate or something. But the goal is, they want the main part of the downstairs floor to look original. P&R Lumber, you know where P&R is, it's in Wolken, I think, right, said that they can match up the flooring. But the problem is, is some places, didn't John say it was like paper thin? Yes, after the flood, they had to do a lot of sanding on the flooring. Rick Purchase actually is the one who did the sanding. He says there's definitely areas where it's less than a quarter inch. He'd be very surprised if they can salvage that because it's going to be very brutal. So we know we'll have to replace some of it, but maybe not as much as we originally thought. Originally they thought we'd be lucky if we could salvage 25% of it. Now it sounds like we can do better. We'll see. We'll see if Rick's right. Yep. Except we didn't have a meeting last week. No. So we've got a meeting this week. We'll get caught up on what's going on. And in case anyone's interested, the play brought us in about 3K. Who was us? The town. The town? They donated 3K to the Town Hall project. For the project. Awesome. Yep. So, and they're already talking about when is it going to be ready so we can have something in the fall? Whoa. What should be it? If you didn't see the play, you really missed a good play. I didn't think I was going to really know what to expect. And it was way better than I thought it would ever be. I missed a good play. Yeah. I missed a good play too. All right. Anything else on Town Hall questions? Yeah. No. That's it. Okay. Memorial Hall. What's happening over here? Well, our end of time. Yes. Chris Cochran from North Dallas. Good to see you all. We've got two quick items. We'll let you pick your order. One is the BGS grant request. I've got the letter here. It's just a general update. I'm not going to wear things to stand. Either or? Yeah. Why don't you do the general update? Just so you know when it prints, it prints the whole thing. It doesn't block out that. Okay. He's there. So, updates. We're still kind of in our quiet fundraising mode. We did finish our brochure. I think the last time you were here, we were here cold and freezing. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just going to bring two samples. When are you going to mail those out? No, these are for, our strategy is to look at big donors first. And so, this is what you present to them and saying, you know, I would really like a big check and can you fill out our donor card and make a pledge. And so, once they pledge, it's a legal document, essentially. Let's put this together. It's great. The group. Nice. So, we wrote the text and got the pictures and then we did have a designer, the folks. She used to live in Woodbury. She laid it out for us. Nice. That's beautiful. Yeah. So, it's been effective. I can choose any work, actually. Yeah. Oh, that's 18. Yeah. 1885. Boy, that is a great control here. Yeah, it is nice. So, the great news is we've raised over half the money we need to repair the building. So, that's... You've raised it already. That's without the donations? No, that's including the donations. Oh, okay. Our kind of quiet capital fundraising is going well. Great. We are aiming for a closing in the fall. And we've talked to WRC about that. We haven't selected a date, but there's a bunch of things we have to do to kind of meet the closing conditions that we're working on now. Stone Women's Relief Corps without an E. Yes. Yes. Although interestingly, it hadn't... And, originally, it was no E, and now people want to put an E on it. Yeah, but the original was no E. Yeah. Please don't. Wait. I'm sorry. I wasn't listening. No E on what? Stone. It was a family name. It wasn't Stowe, Vermont. It was a family name. Right. But, see, now people think of Stowe, Vermont. I wouldn't put the E, but there really was no E. But I digress. So, in this weekend, Eric Sorenson came out to do the Natural Resource Survey. So, Stephanie Kaplan and Larry Bush were there along the way. I couldn't stay for the whole thing, my house renovation project. So, but I think they found a rare, like two rare plants while they were there. But he'll give a report, and they'll go to the Conservation Commission. Yeah, I can't wait to see the report from Eric. Yeah, I don't know how long... Stephanie said it was a great... Yeah, he was there for like two hours. Yeah, and ironically, you know, they did their thing in the morning, and then after I finished my work, we're all kind of at the pond, and Eric shows up, and Stephanie shows up, so everybody's going to swim away. There's some rare mushrooms. Yeah. Exactly. That could be. A lot of fungus in the building. So, we're, you know, meeting our goals as far as meeting the deadline for the WRC to close on the property. Some of the pieces are coming together. Thank you, of course, for your support. Sure. We, you know, in addition to the private fundraising, we're also doing, you know, public fundraising. So, we got the BHCB grant, as you know, with your support. So, that was $135,000. The next grant we're applying for is from Building and General Services. It's a $25,000 grant for recreational facilities. And what they really value is public support for the application. So, we're looking for a support letter from the Select Board. We'll do another community letter, kind of just to help the people in the village. And then we're also reached out to Representative Ansel and Senator Cummings for their support. The grant is due at the end of the month, so the 31st, and they make announcements in the fall. Is that a grant? Is it a two-year grant? Or what do you have to show or do? It's the easiest grant I've ever felt out of. Up until this year, they didn't even have a form. So, yeah. So, they're looking for just a short, concise, you know... Here's what we want to do. What do you need this money for? And so that's the grant. And it's great that it's right on one of the most pristine ponds around here. And the connection to the public recreation. I think it meets their criteria. I think my only question is, they really want something that's shell-ready. But since they're not making awards until the fall, I don't know how, kind of, you know, winter construction, you know. So, if we don't get it this year, we'll just reapply for next year. What is your timeline to start? I mean, obviously, you have to close. Yeah, well, you know... Next year. Right. So, you know, we plan on closing this fall. And if our fundraising continues to meet our targets, we'll be able to begin construction in the spring. But it's a function of... Right, right. I mean, this would be nice, right? We would like to do that, but... Chris, what is the target? What's the goal for the... For total fundraising? Yeah. It is about $600,000. Okay. Give or take. And silent phase continues until... Until we probably get well over, like, two-thirds the goal. You know, you want to say you've... Right, right. So, you're after four. You want to do more than half. Right. And then you engage with the public. And that's when we have a more public campaign with, you know, a Facebook page. Right. And, you know, we're thinking about if we have access to the property and it's safe, you know, part of fall foliage, you know, doing something. You know, encourage people to stop by and make a donation. So, smaller donations there. But really the heavy lifting is these large grants and these big donors. Do you have any other ones that you might be applying for? In the fall, I'll be applying for the Division for Store Preservation Grant. And that's another $25,000 grant. We've been invited for that. You know, basically, it's a great building. We'd love to see you apply. They don't have more than $25,000. No, this is... These are little pieces. But for this BGS grant, you know, once you write the first one, you've gotten kind of the bones out there. So, it's just a matter of... I was going to say, you've got the most of it. ...request you. Frankly, a little bit like this letter. Right, right. Yeah, just so the board knows, this is pretty much the same letter that was sent to the VHCV in support. So, I just... Chris sent it to me, and I kind of did it up and... Yeah. Different address, different ending. Right. Different amount. Yes, different amount. We just got to make sure we remember to change the addresses and amounts. Yes. Right? Any basket? No, actually, this goes down. Yeah, this is a smaller grant. But this, you know, it's just how you do projects. It's lots of little pieces come together to get it done. Yeah. So, that's where we are. You know, we'll probably come back in the fall. I think the... I haven't looked at the division for structure reservation yet, but if they want to support letter from the town, I'll be seeing... I'll be seeing you again if that's all right. Yeah. Yeah. And the periodic updates are great. Yeah, okay. Perfect. So, I guess I would ask the call of select board if you want to approve my signing this letter to send to VGS for those that don't know buildings and general services. Absolutely. Second. Okay. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Thank you for your support. Do you want to... Thank you for your hard work. Thank you. Thank you. This is so phenomenal. It's a team sport. It is. You know, everybody has a certain skill and it's been terrific. Everybody works hard, we get along, and we're just getting it done. So, it's terrific. Right. I would add, it would be great if you had some quiet space because when I got my wife's, our wedding certificate, my wife was like 13 years old. It wasn't from you. It was from Eva. But she didn't marry Fido. Yeah. So, I hear you. It's important to get it right. At least we don't have 14 to cast. That doesn't need to go in there. That's close. Chris. Chris. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Have a great night. Thank you for all your hard work. Thank you for all your hard work. Absolutely. You guys are doing behind the scenes. We're getting there. Absolutely. Have a great night and keep cool. Thank you. Thank you. All right. It is 20 of nine. So, we don't have to do everything tonight. But I would like to know which one you would like to do. Consideration of special events ordinance or consideration of an act 46 resolution. Act 46 resolution. School. Same. Okay. All right. Good fun with me. We can put the resolution on and we can do. Katie, can you make a note that you didn't do this because there was a time? So, maybe we can do it at the 23rd meeting. No, we haven't heard anything more. Has Mr. Finney been notified that we're taking this issue up? I actually told him in one of my emails that if and when we put this up, we'd let him know. Oh. Okay. I didn't send him a personal invitation. I posted it just like we always do. Okay. All right. So, you saw the draft resolution which Scott Thompson helped me with. That's great. So, I don't know where you want to go with this or how you want to deal with this. You can take the time and review it, you know, further and we can sign off on it. The end of July at the July 23rd meeting. I don't know if we should be sending this to more people than what we have. I think we should get on the stick right now. Okay. As soon as we can. I'm comfortable signing up on it. It reads very well. It's very well written. Well, the part that we wanted to do a little bit more work on when I talked to Scott Thompson about this was it sounds, if you read this really quick, I'm assuming people will. It sounds like the total debt, it doesn't say that, but it sounds like the total debt is 2 million, but really 2 million is Cal's a share. So, I want to put in a little bit more explanation, embellish that of just a little bit without making it longer than two pages. And if we're going to tinker with it, I would, I would thank you, Judy. Thank you. Good night. I'm just going to ask someone to remember this window here with a copy and lock it. Thank you. Yep. Thanks, Judy. Um, if, if we're going to tinker with it, I, I would love to just see a little more oomph around the community point. Community. The point that, the point that I made earlier that the debt is just about money and, and they're not easy problems to solve, but they're black and white, solvable things that there's a path to do. That's actually where it says our schools are the main purposes. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, blah, blah, a little, maybe a little more. And I realized that probably, but we can sign in the tighter space. And to that, and to that end, I don't know if anyone read three weeks ago, David Kelly. You guys know David Kelly. I know David Kelly. My failure lives now in Greensboro. Yeah. He did an op-ed piece. It was wonderful. And it spoke to that very issue. I think that's, that's cool. Schools are the heart and we can attach that. And really what it's about, we could probably borrow shamelessly from him. Well, I think we just attached the op-ed. David Kelly op-ed? It's eloquent. And it's heartbreaking. That's, that's, that is, that's what I worry about is that the, the debt issue is being strung along, strung along. See, that's what they're going to pay attention to. And then they'll fix it. Right. And then, And then they'll say, oh well, so what's the problem? We fixed your problem. Kind of a janitor. Were the janitor who brought that up? You correct this? I brought it up. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think we've all been struggling with knowing that that's, that's a lot of it. A huge piece of the issue is the fact that it is the community. Well, and that's, that's the intangible. And I think the debt part's easy to talk about. And it's, it's more clearly in inequity that people can quickly wrap their heads around. But at the same time, it's not. Well, do you have a sentence or two you want to send me? I would be happy to, to. And I, what I can do is, you want to send me that? Yep. I can look for the op-ed piece by David Kelly. I can do that. And I'll, and I will. And then I'll, I'll, I'll work with Scott on this piece. And then what we can do is, if you want to stop buying, sign it. I can leave it out there to be signed. And then people can sign it. We can get it out next week. So you and I work on it and everyone else. Yeah. Authorizes us to finalize it. Yeah. And then. Obviously we'd want to send the full board. Of course. You know, not, we can't decide it on email. We're deciding now that we want to do this and we want to make some changes. So the only thing. Then you and I are working on it, not as a quorum. Right. And then we can send out the final version and leave the original here to be signed. I mean, the only thing I would ask is if you find a typo or something. Let us know. Let us know because that's not. I did look up. I've never seen a spell that way. Is that right? It is correct. Oh, I don't even, I didn't even put down her name. So we should add her name here. Right. Right. Yeah. She was the act. Do you want to send it to any. I will double check that she's still. Yeah. And we can get to board members names from school board members. Yeah. Is there anybody else that we should be sending this to? We'd be sending this at all too. Or senators. You usually are good at thinking about that. Or senators. Yeah, I got that. They're all there. Janet. Do we. I guess we. Maybe. Maybe we could send it as FYI unofficially to our neighboring. Towns. Our neighboring town reps. Yeah. That's right. You know, just as a FYI, we wanted to let you know. So the representatives from neighboring towns. Yeah. Well, or the other four. Yeah. Yeah. Berlin. Yeah. Easter. Eastern. Killer. Yeah. So we got Kimberly. Jess up. And we'll have to look up the other ones. I don't know who the other ones are. Well, do you mean the reps of the other towns or the school boards of the other towns? Well, them too. But no, especially the represent. Well, but we'll obviously send our school board a copy of them and they can do what they want with it as far as, you know, who they want to share it with. Well, I mean, we, any of us can share it, you know, as we choose to for any political purposes, right? Well, for any informational purposes. That's what I mean. Informational. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's become the public document. Right. It's gone to the governor and everybody else. So David Kelly up. Commentary is called the entitled ghettoizing of rural Vermont. Oh, there you go. How about that one? Yeah. That's good. So I will send the link to you all. Okay. Good. Okay. So let's have a motion for Sarah and I to finish this up. Working with Scott Thompson on the money piece. Attaching the David Kelly op ed. And make it clear that it's not just about. Yeah. Making, beefing up the piece about the ghettoing of. The ghettoizing of rural Vermont. Like maybe we put that first. Right. As our concern. We all could do that. I make that into a motion. Okay. Is there a second? It's almost a second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. And then we'll get it to you as to when it will be ready to sign. Are you ready? Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Very important. Okay. So let me just give you my chair notes updates. You remember that East callous applied for a CLG grant, which is certified local government grant to put East callous on the National Historic Register? Mm-hmm. I remember that Denise. You just threw something you did in that context. I forget what it was. And they got awarded the grant. So then the RFP had to get written up and mailed out. Karen Lane and Scott and the Historic Preservation Commission worked on the RFP. They gave it to me. I mailed it out the weekend that it was like 100 degrees. So it went out to 25 different people. The bids are due back on August 1st. So sometime in August, I'm assuming that HBC will meet, review the bids, come to the select board with whom they want to hire. That's kind of in the works. I told you, we told you about the development review board hearing. It's on for the town hall. I have made a note, yeah, Thursday, July 19th. Changes to the town hall on the Historic District and flood hazard overlay district and change of use. That's what the zoning permit is for. So that will be heard by the DRB. Appointments. Thanks to Katie for helping me. We have some updates we need to do on the website that don't match what's on the appointment sheet. So, Katie, I think that's just going to be something if I can just remember to do it because I think Judy is just stretched. I hadn't done any. I'm sorry. I'll just start. I could just do them all. I think it wasn't clear who was going to kind of do it. I think Judy just doesn't have time. And if you're going to do these spreadsheet anyways, it makes sense for you to do the updates at the website. So one of the things we need to do next meeting is Alfred's appointment as road commissioner needs to happen every year. Okay. So we have to do that next meeting. Gail Graham and Charlotte Bassage need to be reappointed to trails. And then we have several vacant positions that some we need to fill. Some aren't quite as important. We don't have a second animal control officer. Wilson's doing. Thank goodness we have Wilson. He's doing a fabulous job. You know, we have that. She quit. He's been dealing with the situation in, I call it Mabel Corner. People say it's not Mabel Corner, but to me it's Mabel Corner. Caller Hill. Caller Hill about the horses and the wagon in the road and all that. The tarp covered wagon is now moved out of the road. The horse, Wilson said, looked in better condition. You went out and checked yesterday. Oh, good. So that's moving along. And... It's been relatively quiet in terms of... I guess Grant Ornstein is still getting visited by the Grayson Hyde situation. What? I call it Grayson Hyde. She lets the horses go and graze on people's fields while she hides in the woods. Really? Where is this happen? In the Mabel Corner area? Caller Hill Road. Yeah. You look back at some of the... Look back at the minutes from the last couple of meetings and you can get all up to date about the horses and the... And the tarp wagon. And the tarp wagon. And the covered wagon. Boy, going down Caller Hill, huh? Yeah. It's exciting. All right. Conservation Commission is... We'll do the... You know, give us names when they find people. So we'll historic preservation. DRB, even though we're one member short and one member who has never responded about wanting to be reappointed and never responds to emails. We're doing okay. Jan and I have served on and off on stuff. Our town health officer, Maria Melicos, resigned the other day. So that's really a key one that we really need to be putting our heads together. And see if we can come up with somebody. We really need a health office. You might have noticed what we're going to have in that heat wave. I was going to post something out front porch form, but she did already. I don't know if you guys got it, but I got messages from Ramona Emergency Management about the heat wave. I get it from the porch form when it feels like it. It is so bizarre. Does anybody else have that problem? No. Oh, I got one today. Yay. Oh, no. My fear point accounts like that. It could be screened out by your spam filter. So anyway, she posted stuff on front porch form about the heat wave. But she's really done. She's taking the job as the school nurse at the elementary school. Plus she's going to school at night. And plus she has kids. We don't have a full-time school nurse, right? I don't think it's full-time. But she's there. So this is a job for a clinical person. It would be great if the person. Or public health. Somebody with some health background. Right. So I don't know if you guys can put your thinking caps on. If you know anybody that could help us out with this position. It doesn't pay anything, of course. How busy of a position is it? It depends. It depends on what's going on. You know, if there's a dog bite. She has to get involved. How about, no, I probably wouldn't do it. You think Jay would do it? Jay Copping? I don't know. I haven't been. I know he works at the hospital. Jeremiah. Actually, he works at the health center. Yeah. I see him at the health center. I see him at the health center. He would be Jay Copping. I don't know him. But a health center nurse sounds. He is a health center nurse. No, he sounds actually perfect. Even better than the physician I had in mind. Yeah, I don't think the physician that you have in mind would do it. I think they're way too busy. I don't think he would do it either. But I think a health center nurse is exactly the right person. The right mindset, population mindset, thinking about prevention. Well, and Jay used to be on the far department. Is he still on the far department? He used to. I don't know who's on the far department anymore, but he's, you know, an EMT and all that. All right. So I'll try to catch up with Jay. But if you guys, usually people say no. We need three candidates. We need at least a couple people. We could always have a second. Linda Therian, right? Isn't she married to Eddie Wauperg? Linda? She's a registered nurse. Do they live in town or do they live in Montpelier now? I don't know. Didn't they used to live here? Did they still live around here? Joe Jones. I haven't seen Eddie go far in a long time. Oh, Josie. Josie? Josie, whatever her last name is now. Reed? Josie Reed? Oh, right. Josie Reed's a nurse? She's moving to town. I don't know how to do that. Does she own Apple Hill? Well, she sold that. No, she's not there. She's not there. They're building a house. Right. On my back. Josie is a nurse. Do you know what her last name is? Reed, I think. R-E-E-D. Yeah. Right? That's the new name. Yeah, Reed. So that's Josie. Is the Mrs. over there? Yeah. Oh. Well, you know, if you think of somebody else, let me know. How about you, Denise? Do you remember your schedule? I've taken care of special needs people. I've treated people. I think you shouldn't be sleeping as much as you do. I take care of special needs people. Five hours a night is too much. Do medications, deal with seizures. Bob Patterson. And the Board of the Health Center. Board of the Health Center. Bob Patterson. Who's he? Ooh. Ooh. VP of the hospital. But clinical. Yeah, clinical. Where does this person go? With a clinical heart. Make a corner. Yeah. He used to be Julie in Goodrich's house. Oh, that's him? The yellow one. Okay. I know Julie in Goodrich's house. Yeah. I'm going to close that door. Yeah, maybe. There we go again. Getting the bugs. That's, you know, bare warm. That's three good people. Okay. One of them would be good. Okay. And all Bob would have to do is like, oh, the hospital is doing something. That means I should write a blurb for front porch form. Well, sometimes you do have to go and check out. No, but that's not the, that's the somebody calls you and you respond. Right. Right. The sort of passive proactive stuff. So. All right. Well, thank you for your help. It's 557. It's 557. What does that mean? Either that or we used to have a sleep. Groundhog Day. Groundhog Day. You're actually early. You have to tell you. Did he tell me there was food in every, I mean, not that I was trying to be late, but I was, I, you guys were so deep into it. Seven minutes. I know. See how quickly. Wow. Aren't you impressed? How quickly? We get right down to business man. There was. Yeah. All right. So now we need to look at the minutes from June 25th. I sent you. Did that work? Did you get my name? Okay. Yeah. I think because that's already in the shared folder. I'm sorry. I didn't realize that the other one you sent me wasn't already in it. I'll just look where it is. Yeah. I just can't miss that. Sorry about that. Other than anybody else have any changes? No. See, you see the numbering thing? What? Can you like fix all that? You know, it's only because I import it. I do. I see. Look, if you look at it, print it off Rose. Oh, I didn't look at it. Print it off. If you look at it, print it off. It's not there. It's not there. Yeah. It does that every time and it underlines weird things. Yeah. But then I import it back to Word so we have a saved copy. And then you put it on the web. Yeah, because see, like there it goes right next to Denise Wheeler number six. I'm like, what is that all about? Yeah. But if you look at the printed copy, it doesn't do that. Yeah. And the other thing is we need to, I don't have a feeling, we need to reappoint the webmasters next time. Yeah. And I'm going to recommend that it be Katie and Judy, because I think Scott's just involved with other stuff now. And if we need him for questions and answers, I'm sure he'll help. But he's not updating the website on a regular basis. And you've got rid of that ING. Yes. Do you guys have any changes to the minutes or? Tom. All right. So is there a motion to approve the minutes? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So is there a motion to approve the minutes with edits? So move. Second. Second. All right. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. I don't think we have anything else to. And I'm going to abstain, Katie. All right. Just under other business. It's in there somewhere. Yeah. It's so small you can almost not see it. What, the other business? Oh, yeah. It's right there. Other new business. Right in between this and this. It's under updates, right? It was written it with invisible ink. I just, just FYI, I got a call today from a party on, this is the Worcester Road, just, just west of Maple County. No, I got that I might have missed. The dust. Oh, dust. Just be, just the Worcester side, just west of the swimming area. We come out of the woods and then it's that flat and it's all dusty there all the time. So I called Alfred to put some flour down. He said he would before the day's end. I called him pretty late and he jumped right on it. So I just wanted to acknowledge that. Good. But he also did say that people truck through there, and I know they truck through there. We need to call the sheriff. And I couldn't read for a life from me. I was hoping to get there before the meeting. I couldn't do it. Remember whether or not it was 25, the Village District extended that far, or if we were already into 35. And I think we should just, I couldn't. And, you know, to the extent that that's a camp, camp right on the road. And there's people there by that. And there's a lot of kids and people walking. Right. I'd like to explore to the extent that that's not 25. Expand to 25. This is a future meeting. Oh, remind me. And if it is, a bit more signage. I think there's a deficit of signage there. And then last, we have a sheriff. I'd like to see a sheriff assign that. Sheriff, I will contact. I can contact. We have done it other years. I've contacted the sheriff. That same stretch. That same stretch. Every year. Every year we get calls about it. Well, that's good. And they'll go and they'll patrol it. Tell us when. I don't want to know when. Yeah. And I hope he hides his car well. Nails a bunch of them. Well, I had gotten a, I think it was Judy who contacted me, because some well-drilling company, and I can't remember which one it was now, was parked there. Was it Spafford? Yes, it was Spafford. Parked their truck, well-drilling trucks at the parking area there for the pond. And left them running for like a half an hour. Hello. I don't like that. And it's like, I don't care if you've got diesel or not, you're not supposed to leave your vehicles idling. I don't care. Yeah, that's what we need. Let's do that. Well, it's illegal, right? I don't know. I don't know. Anyways, by the time we're having bats in the pond, Organs that we need. Yeah. She sent me an email. Did you force her to do that? Did I force you? Did I force you? No, did you? Oh, I did. It's a circular. It has solutions in the church. Three firsts for the peace. I ran a company. Oh, yeah. I ran that one. And so I dropped the gun. Hands? Yeah, Organs. Yeah, sure. Because I get an argument for that. We'll discuss that. We're going to discuss that. So anyways, Motion to adjourn? Yes. Don't forget, 6.15 on the 23rd. Let's divide up. Who wants to take some stuff? Do not want. Do not want. Do not want. Oh, I will take a few cookies. Oh, do you want me to? I don't know if we need this. That's a good meeting. We've got a lot going. That was really intense. What? The meeting. We've got a lot done. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.