 And we're live live. How do you guys feel feeling good man good? Good? Pumped energetic. We're live. How can I not? That's right? That's why I do it Pop you up All right Here we go If you would like to donate to the daily tech news show simply go to daily tech news show comm slash donate donate via Patreon monthly or just one sphere Bitcoin or PayPal if you want a t-shirt go to slash loop.com Thank you This is the daily tech news for Thursday October 2nd 2014. I'm Tom Marra joining me today Anthony Carboni co-host of we have Concerns and he has concerns. You have concerns all the time. Don't you? Constantly I can't turn them off. It's a problem One of those concerns is about the use of the word invisibility We've got a story for our main discussion about another Invisibility cloak and because I knew as soon as I read this that it was going to be interesting And it made me think of Jaime Ruiz 10 source stylist and physicist I decided to invite him on the show to join us as well. You've actually worked with similar optical stuff before right? Oh, yeah Yeah, and back in college. We did a lot of optical masking of different things. So so this is similar All right, we're gonna get to we're gonna get invisible Sounds like it should be like like a hip-hop call We're gonna get invisible in a minute invisible. That was my favorite tribe called quest album. Yeah, ah So so underappreciated as are the headlines CNET reports that Google may be next to face the wrath of Hollywood in the nude celebrity photo leak blame game Martin mad dog singer and yes, we verified the nickname at the lavely and singer website where they refer to it that way Represents more than a dozen clients whose images were stolen from their iCloud accounts iCloud Apple So why Google well according to singer Google was too slow to remove the images from search results YouTube and blog spot in a letter to Google execs a singer claimed Google could be liable for more than a hundred million dollars in damages He also demanded Google remove images from its sites Terminate user accounts that host the images and asked for data preservation on all alleged offenders for future litigation Google claims it has removed tens of thousands of pictures within hours of requests being made. I Think it's really neat that lawyers just are very smart people who plug their ears and refuse to understand how the internet works Right, you know just like how would they be able to press the case otherwise? I know, but it's just it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous to say like well These images are on the internet now because somebody leaked them and now they're all over the internet So remove them remove them from the entire universe in perpetuity forever Look, I don't claim to understand how the internet works, Anthony Yeah, but I'm at Google and I see an image. So that's your fault. I googled I googled my client naked and it came up And well, I'm going to burn your screen in the ground Yeah Gego reports that Apple has a new tool for people who want to make sure they're not buying a stolen iPhone All you have to do is type the IMEI number of the phone You want to buy into the site and if the device has Apple's Activation lock feature on the site will confirm that for you as well as give instructions for wiping the device before you The legit password-holding owner were to sell it So if you're buying a phone and it's like hey, it's working But then let's say you buy it you go to talk to the phone company. They're like, no, I can't activate that That's a stolen phone. This would prevent you from buying the phone. You could check it first I like that and it feels like something that could have just I'm shocked that it's taken this long to implement something like that really Yeah, it does mean that before you sell a phone to places like gazelle or even just on Craigslist and stuff You've got to make sure to go and turn off the activation lock if you ever turned it on too Yeah, that's true, but I feel like that's fine I like it. Yeah, I like it too CNET reports evernote CEO Phil Libin announced a few new features at the evernote developers conference today one called work chat Let's you chat with other evernote users from within the system Including the ability to see who's we're looking at a particular note and chat with them about it right there on the note This is apparently the most requested feature from users according to Libin I can't imagine letting somebody into my evernote. I can't like I know they're a collaborative features Yeah, it's the people who are using the collaborative stuff It's just like I can't let somebody into my mind to see how I take notes It's weird and horrible and not and not Understandable to anyone and then I would just be able to see them see them in my brain looking at these. No, no How about this other major feature? It's called context and it shows you info relevant to what you're writing or saving This could include your past notes notes from others who you're collaborating with or even news items that sounds ripe for Advertiser corruption, but okay I'm a euro, but you're gonna say something. Yeah, it's every app Are you I wish are we supposed to share everything all the time constantly right everything? I? Mean if I if I have if I get a refrigerator does that refrigerator need to tell everybody what I'm eating How are you else you gonna do collaborative meal preparation? Yes? Yes, that's true. That's true. And we all want to collaborate All the time Both these features context and work chat will come to Android iOS and Mac and Windows versions of Evernote later this year Also Evernote fans should know they redesigned the web interface That's coming out to rave reviews from what I can tell and they improved the scanner Function for scanning notes and business cards and stuff ever since I gave myself over to Evernote and decided that I'm Gonna put everything in it like you really do you have to decide you're gonna put everything in your life into Evernote But once you decide to just give your entire life and sold to them It's a really useful and interesting tool like I'm really loving it Just like the Borg the second you yes Distictiveness to their own you're fine. Yeah The EFF notes that software called computer cop that has been distributed by local law enforcement for years Unfortunately acts as spyware EFF says they observe the software's key logger Which it's meant to be a key logger to protect your you know, know what your children are up there or whatever Anyway, the key logger is transmitting to third-party servers without Encryption software maker also claims endorsement by the ACLU which the ACLU denies ever giving and the US Treasury Department has issued a fraud Alert over computer cops claims that it's recommended by the US Treasury Department at best the software is questionably marketed and badly written To the point that it exposes user data to attackers law enforcement agencies should probably be aware of This company and users should avoid installing it This is like this is like the software equivalent of the kid standing outside the 7-Eleven Asking for asking for pot. He looks just a little too old to be standing up like no, it's cool Man, I'm just a cool kid and I just want some I just want to protect your computer. There's nothing weird going on Yeah, it's a normal rad dude on a skateboard like you I love the internet. Yeah Oh Man, the computer comes around for 15 years, too Why would you accept any software that installs itself on your computer from the police? Well in these days, right especially like in the current climate, but he let you know Let's say it's like, oh, I know my local law enforcement agency. I know my police chief. I trust these guys They've been protecting my children. They're great folks This company is just pulling one over on all the law enforcement agencies And hands you a three and a half inch floppy It's a word. Well, it's a seedy wrong now, but 15 years ago. Who knows how computer cop is distributed No, and and you have to extend the analogy of the house to to your your Hard drives and computers, right? You you know, you're the cop. He's your friend and everything You don't let him into your room all the time. Yeah, it's cops and vampires follow the same rules And visit gosa calls it it's just log enforcement The next web reports Google unveiled code for an open-source standard called physical web The project attempts to make it easier for the Internet of Things devices to talk to each other without the need of intermediaries like apps oversimplified the idea is to assign every connected device with a url So that a device like a phone can get short amounts of info directly from the device without needing a separate app Examples might be temperature readings off off of a temperature sensor or bus arrivals coming from the bus Payments and vending machines things like that the initial release of the physical web includes an Android app that can detect URLs Broadcast by devices and an iOS app is coming soon. I Can't even get the URL I want on social networks in the internet and now I've got to worry about fighting my toaster for it That's cool Into it, you know, there's a there's a company called dine I think it's dine that recommended that Internet of Things should have like a descending order domain system where you could get Your house as a domain and then all the things in your house would be like, you know toaster dot your house and and stuff like that But what would that what would the domain for my house be though? Like I'm really concerned what's your address? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't know Here's a list we can just scrape your house's domain and have a list of all of the expensive things you have in it Toaster Privacy functions and We've solved everything for you TechCrunch reports Facebook has set up a formal review process for approving research a panel of senior researchers in different subject matters like privacy Legal research policy and engineering will determine if certain types of studies meet the guidelines The process does not change the way consent is obtained Which is through the terms of service or provide for any kind of external auditors a website at research dot Facebook calm Will centralize all academic work done on the Facebook data set cool We've solved none of the problems everybody. Well, it's like they solved all but the two biggest objections, right? the two biggest objections were the manner of consent and and and and the External auditors like you having somebody else check your work essentially and they're like yeah We're not gonna do those two big ones, but we'll solve all these other ones Those are easy. We're still don't have to tell you that you're a lab rat And we still can do whatever we want with the information But we solved the problem of letting you know when these things are running if you go to this specialized URL that you only know about If you're a reader of TechCrunch, I tell you what the issue I Do think that what for where Facebook's mindset here is is most of our studies don't run into these kinds of controversies So what this panel is gonna be charged with doing is make sure we know if a study might trip these triggers So then we can go and do the right thing To do the right thing. I love that. They're saying most of our studies don't cause these kinds of problems Just because we don't know about those studies Yeah, we're the only reason is they got caught once and that's why we're mad But they're doing this all the time every day and we know they are I don't know. I don't know It's it's such an empty ridiculous gesture. I think My problem with these studies is that we already know the answer, you know, it's 42 That's right. Just to derive everything down put it in the computer cop and you're done Time for some news from you These are submitted at our subreddit daily tech news show dot reddit calm by folks in the audience And you could be one of them if you haven't gone and checked it out Go go follow it daily tech news show dot reddit calm It's got some great stuff in there or more than 3,000 people submitting links voting them up and down WTO 605 submitted the reddit thread we're in reddit user Cranborn who claims to be a Microsoft dev Asserts that internal rumors at Microsoft say Early testing revealed that if the next version of Windows had been called Windows 9 It would have caused bugs in a lot of software and you can do a search code on this It is true that lots of version checking in legacy software Just looks for Windows 9 to decide if the OS is Windows 95 or 98. It's saved him a bit That's Amazing yeah, so despite the kind of you know like a guy who says he's a dev says an internal rumor, etc Whether this is the reason for the name or not it definitely would have caused problems had it come out as Windows 9 Why 2k redux kind of thing? Yeah, I like it. I don't care if it's true It's such a wonderful story that I've decided that it's true in my heart You can't argue with the code is there right some people like oh, but that would be really old software No, this is code that like as versions were updated was never taken out So even if the software doesn't run on Windows 95 anymore that code is still in there checking for it And then would would likely say oh well you can't run it on this operating system Even though you have Windows 9 I still love that the that the Windows marketing team couldn't think of anything to do except Skip from one number to the next I Bet they thought of lots of other things to do I think what you're reacting to is that's what they thought was their best of it Exactly, maybe it's because ME and Vista were both like kind of seen it anything that didn't have a number Was sort of seen as a bad Windows kind of like Star Trek movies where you're right via the one being the only exception there Yeah, so basically if there's a future war and this killer robot is coming at you You just rename its operating system to Windows 9 and it dies We're saved We found a way against the robot uprising Loki 74 submitted a gigo home article on the continuing adventures of Robin Hood who we all know secret identity is USC US SEC chairman Tom Wheeler Wheeler was in Minnesota yesterday Wagging a finger at those who seek to block the competitive forces that can produce faster cheaper better broadband and Supporting the efforts of city and municipal governments to build their own broadband internal networks Internet networks not internal networks. They're allowed to build internal networks that are fiber Just not internet networks in some places anyway Wheeler's remarks come near the close of a public comment period about whether the FCC should overrule laws in 19 states That restrict cities from offering internet service Is the FCC chairman sort of an honorary position like Emperor of China or Queen of England where? They can just say whatever they want and then not do anything ever Every time we do an FCC story you and me I get this feeling that the FCC gets up and says things and then no one has To listen ever in their lives the there's the difference between what the FCC chairman says and what the FCC The FCC actually does right because he's not a dictator He can't make the rules he has to get his commissioners on board and his commissioners are split equally between the the two parties so-called in the United States, so You know, it's it's easy for Tom Wheeler to go out there and and look positive with municipal networks org And and the folks fighting for that which is great And I'm not saying it's a bad thing for him to do this But it's a whole other thing for him to actually change the rules Gotcha, I don't know so maybe maybe all the FCC chairman quotes that you've ever said while I'm on a show It's just coming out too early and too optimistic Also, it takes the FCC about two three years to actually do anything and I've only been doing the show for ten months, so Who knows eventually they might do something sweet Sunbun submitted the Android central story that Roku is beta testing a new feature for the Roku 3 and Roku HDMI Streaming stick to mirror screens from Android devices Roku has step-by-step Instructions on its site for how to launch the screen marrying beta if you have an Android device that you would like to mirror Love it. Handy. Cool. Whatever happened to that to that That industry-wide standard. What was it Mira? Miracast or do I they're they're both out there in fact I I didn't look to see which protocol Roku is using here But I bet they're using one of them because it's crazy because I just it weirds me out But I still just can't beam things from one thing to another At infant item forever. Yeah, the problem is that everybody didn't adopt the same standard. Yeah, totally Yeah, although it seems like that like Roku one doesn't then the the set top box kind of thing Well Apple TV and Roku are the the leaders, but the set top box industry itself isn't big enough yet for anybody to have won Yet, I think that's my opinion And bio cow passes along Elon Musk's cryptic tweet from yesterday in which he wrote about time to unveil the D and Something else he really is the Tony Stark of the real world Unveil the D could mean so many things The D is probably Tesla's model D electric car, which is expected to be revealed at the Paris Motor Show next week The something else though the Verge wonders if it's an all-electric bike or an advanced infotainment system for your car But bio cow suspects it may be the version of the hyperloop possibly in a secret area Somewhere deep in the Nevada desert Also Denver Airport is hyperloop It goes from Denver to area 51 and Apparently Musk also told CNN money that by next year Tesla cars will be 90% self-driven man Man, you know with all the stuff that he's doing he really could come out and say I'm about to unveil the D have it be what we all first thought it was and no one would be mad at him Oh, no, he does that much good. He does that Right Let him do it. Let me be there is and something else I would be really excited if it was an electric bike Because the electric bike market is so terrible and overpriced right now I would really really love to see Tesla do something with that for commuters. Yeah, I think that's why the verges I think the verges half likes serious like reading tea leaves and half like aspiration or like but we want that God, they love electric bikes at the verge. Oh, that's it's the tails they tell And that's a look at the headlines. All right, so let me lay out the latest invisibility cloak And I've been covering invisibility cloaks since the Buzz out loud days at the mid 2000s It's not my day an invisibility cloak was just a box and you got in it This one is is is probably is definitely the most practical because you could make one for a hundred bucks Hagernator actually submitted this on our subreddit yesterday. It rocketed to the top for around a decade We've been reading about metamaterials fiber optics ways They've been light about an object sometimes at only non-visible frequencies sometimes without much angle like as soon as you move Your head you can see the thing University of Rochester researchers Have an inexpensive setup It's getting a lot of attention John Howell is a professor of physics there and his PhD student at the Institute of optics Joseph Choy Got together and they've submitted a paper to the journal optics express Which you can find out archive.org with an X it's for lenses Spaced at a mathematically determined distance that make an object disappear from up to 15 degree angles from optimal However, it doesn't make it disappear from dead center because what it does is it takes the light and it focuses it to the center They say that they can get rid of that process, but it becomes a more complicated setup that requires more than four lenses But the background doesn't shift they put a grid behind this you could look at it in the video the grid stays Intersecting lines. It doesn't change. They're not not messing with the background grid and they put like a ruler through one edge It's kind of a doughnut shaped area that a cloaks they put fingers through there. It works I Feel like this is this is really cool but it's just kind of a science center exhibit to teach kids about optics or Something for a stage like if David Copperfield wanted to make something really disappear with mirrors I just I get so mad at the press for jumping on invisibility cloak as a phrase That's all hi me. Yeah, I wanted you to come on here because you've done stuff similar to this How excited should we reasonably be because I have the same reaction as Anthony? We're like sure they call all things invisibility close some of them aren't even meant to be invisibility cloaks They're just optics research right right Okay, I love physics. So you should be very excited always all the time No, but this is this is there's just a little bit of a breakthrough They've they've managed to offset certain effects that in the past if you tried to do it You would get basically like a tunnel effect and you would you know hit a wall or inside however, it's a very simple process that they're doing what they're doing is they have a lens on one end it You know concentrates the light and then they have another one that that Throws basically a pencil of light to the other one and then expanded so you know they say oh the Cloak is a ring, but basically what it means is don't cross the ray if you cross the ray you're basically gonna You know block it still there's some other very interesting invisibility schemes that are actually basically like a like a Star Trek cloaking device, but it's not invisible light Usually is infrared and stuff like or or microwaves and they do actually get the waves that are coming Towards it and then they they leave the area in the same configuration So so in those spectrums, they would be completely invisible, but this is this is fun and it does You know Explain the concept however it is you can see around it and stuff. It's not you're not invisible I think that's the thing is like This is a major issue that I have with a lot of Science reporting and science industry reporting is you know you you want to make science interesting to your audience You want to make it understandable to your audience? You want to make it grabby the same way you can make other headlines grabby, but when you use something like invisibility cloak We all picture a friggin invisibility cloak And then what happens is something that's kind of kind of important and interesting optical research like this like a Surgeon to be able to see through their hands on the operating table. That's a huge amount of area of the human body, right? Especially they're doing a delicate operation and this could do that But unfortunately because I read invisibility cloak Anything else you tell me in that article is going to let me down and I think it really does a lot of stuff like this A huge disservice Yeah, but it's also I think what happens is that it's 2014 And we want all the stuff that we saw in the movies back in the 80s to be real And so whenever anything, you know loosely approximates it and it's presented media everybody All the nerds basically we all jumped on and and we wanted we want to have one But one thing I noticed when we were doing D news the two things I noticed is a way to get anybody to click on anything Was invisibility cloak and tractor beam? Yes, that's it If you say invisibility cloak or tractor beam everybody's in but the problem is nothing is an invisibility cloak or a tractor beam Yeah, no everybody wants tractor beam because of Star Wars everybody wants invisibility cloak because of Harry Potter Everybody wants an apple watch because of Dick Tracy, right? Well, yeah, right or or the galaxy gear or any one any of those watches But yeah, the fact is I think it's not just the press. It's I think Jaime you pointed out It's also us. It's also the people were like we want it so bad We're the reason that headline works because we keep clicking and I'm not making some play like stop clicking people But let's try to remember like okay It's probably not really going to be an invisibility cloak But how close does it get us to that and what other cool things can it do because you you pointed it out Anthony? Like the ability for this to make a hand disappear while doing surgery is real like this can actually do that That would be incredible or how about getting rid of the blind spot? Because now the blind spot isn't blind anymore because the way these rays can be bent is now means you can see Everything through your car. That's huge. Yeah Basically, you could you the way if you expand this to a large door size thing, for example, you could have a window Going through just a little tiny little hole in the wall You could have like a huge window and you could see through a wall in your house and be completely safe Yeah, this is Genghis Khan in the shadow and hide an entire office building from people in plain sight I thought you're gonna say an army of horses, but I Depends on which gang is Khan you're going with Sorry, that was Shuwan Khan Shuwan Khan Yeah, no, it's That's the thing that I wanted to get to with this story is this is really exciting even if it is not what the headlines are all Promising it is really something that is practical. You can you can go to this article and read the math It's not even that complicated of them of an equation to figure out how to space the optics spend a hundred bucks Make this yourself it can work at any size lens with off-the-shelf lenses And it's broadband because it sends all light waves around doesn't they say well It only works with x-rays or something like that Sorry, is this one of those things where like these guys set it up and all of you guys working in optics were like, ah That was so easy A little bit, but it's also a Didn't we do that like last year? Nobody's really close to that. Is that what you guys are all saying? Yeah, it's like, oh, okay No, but I built an invisibility clothes not big deal. He's guys. They're so great But I think I think also there's there's a there's a Like things are meant to be happening now we are as a large as society as large We are more prepared for wonders, you know, so so we expect them we expect them every day and I think that You know, it has to happen with a lot of things and so so this is a step I also think that the guys who're doing it. We're also, you know, okay, everybody's doing these weird You know projected and stuff and all kinds of stuff. We can do it simply we know this so so they they they just got it I love it. Yeah. No, I think it's great We'll have loads of links to it in the show notes a daily tech news show Dot-com if you want to Investigate more if nothing else it might get people interested in optics, you know, and and start developing more of this sort of thing Sure. Yeah, hyped about optics everybody. Yeah optics get hype Let us get hyped about the calendar as well Tesco's huddle-two tablet to be unveiled on October 3rd What is this? Why do that? Why stop doing it because Tesco needs to diversify Also 10th anniversary of spaceship one winning the X prize will be Saturday October 4th The free software foundation was created on October 4th. Rails rumble registration opens Monday October 6th and Southwired in Atlanta kicks off Monday October 6th and runs through the 10th. I Want I'm really excited about our picks of the day They came from Matthew Bowen their Wi-Fi related picks one hardware one software Open mesh is an affordable wireless access point controlled from a central web login It's access points start at 55 bucks with very affordable POE injectors now pretty much anyone can afford to have a Professional level wireless network with a single SSID and seamless handoffs from one access point to the next It's marketed towards businesses who need to cover like an office building or they did the Weston in Vancouver apparently But somebody who's got kind of a long house or apartment And and has those weak spots can now spend less than a hundred bucks Put one of these access points be able to administer it easily over the web Which you can with a lot of routers, but then it auto it creates a mesh network really easily I haven't tried it, but Matthew recommends it and I looked it up and it looked really really cool It'd be a great community project even to make these because they sell enclosures that are hardened for outdoor mounting and stuff Yeah, I definitely on the on the wide-scale like municipal or business sort of level I think this is interesting, but I think I think like you said on a personal level like I Well, it's not for us so much on a personal level because I was like, oh cool Could I use this in my house? Could I use this in my apartment? But it's basically like adding an airport express or any kind of Wi-Fi extender if you're in a small enough area, right? Yeah, exactly I actually do this and I had to configure it myself In in my house because I have one end of the house That's kind of weak from where the the router is so I'm thinking about doing this because then I would just have one unified system For everything which would be easier to man to manage and maintain Yeah, totally also Insta bridge available for Android iOS Windows and Mac Let's you share wireless networks without sharing passwords and if you change the password in the app everyone You've shared the password with gets updated Essentially, it's like giving them the password but without giving them a piece of paper with the password on it They never see the password so you can revoke it At any time. It's also great for sharing public Wi-Fi If you know you're going to a bar or restaurant for the first time Insta bridge could be your way to use their Wi-Fi if another Insta bridge user has shared it then you can automatically connect and Matthew says the devs are extremely responsive and are a joy to give feedback to apparently It's it's basically saying look, we know like sharing passwords for for Wi-Fi isn't terribly secure We're not going to make that more secure. You should use secure passwords, etc But we're going to make the sharing of the password itself more secure by not having you actually have to give it to somebody They never have to know it if they're part of Insta bridge. I like that Yeah, that's kind of nifty Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show comm and you can find my picks at daily tech news show comm slash picks Thanks for the picks Matthew our message of the day comes via voicemail We have a phone number five one two five nine daily And we got a call from this gentleman in Tennessee with a theory about why Facebook messenger might have been split off Everybody's got a theory about this. Hey, this is your friendly technical coordinator at the library here in the middle of nowhere, Tennessee Another thought on the Facebook thing. I think that people might have mentioned before but I can't remember My thought was that the reason they separated the messenger away from the normal app is Has a lot to do with third world of third, you know Please please like Africa pardon my tripping on my own tongue here But please like Africa where they're trying to launch Facebook phones and do things where Facebook winds up actually being your carrier or at least Subsidizing your cell phone usage if you use the app normal Facebook app that holds a lot of data down because it loads all that other crap That you know Facebook calls content If it is a messenger, however, that kind of works the text messaging system and can be done over data for a relatively low amounts of data and Kind of gives them an edge on that market. So that's my thought Take care enjoy the show. Bye Now I know Facebook has a system already in place for getting people to use Facebook on feature phones And it has nothing to do with messenger But this could be a really interesting stepping stone whether it's designed that way or not If I'm if I'm a user in Africa And I'm ready to move up from a feature phone to one of these less expensive smartphones that are hitting the market now like a Firefox OS phone or something like that and the Facebook messenger app is a separate app and I'm like, okay Yeah, I'm not ready to I don't have a big data plan, but I can send a few messages. Maybe it's interesting theory Yeah, and I mean that's that's even practical Here to a certain extent to where it's like the the mobile Facebook app has so much going on And it's kind of slow and unresponsive at times even on my newer phone It is kind of nice to just be using messenger like I understand why people got mad because it feels like Facebook Just trying to slowly replace all the apps on your phone with Facebook apps But hey, they are a tech company They all want to replace all of your apps and things with their apps and things I think that I actually use messenger more now that it's separate from Facebook because I can just open messenger and use it Like a chat client without having to deal with the sort of toxic time suck. That is the rest of Facebook Yeah, no and in the development world Facebook is the internet. It's kind of like, you know, like like AOL used to be in a lot of places They get online to to look at their Facebook pages, so this makes sense. Yeah And then finally Nick wrote in with the answer to our question about why you would have a $99 in-app purchase for FIFA 15 card packs the whole the whole thing about building your teams is based on buying card packs Which you can buy with in-game currency or you can buy in-game currency and they They sell the in-game currency and it ranges from one to $99. So there you go Nick says I've spent more money than I care to admit on FUT. It's really fun and sticky and is the major moneymaker For EA games. So there you go spending your night I guess people spent that much on donuts in the Simpsons. Oh gosh Yeah, I know people spent so much money on in-app purchases on games that are much less entertaining than FIFA You know, yeah Alright, well, thank you Jaime for sticking around and and joining us and helping us understand this from the perspective of someone who actually got a Degree in physics and understands this Least more than we do really appreciate it man. My pleasure man. And you know Whenever you have these weird questions, I'm happy to Twitter comm slash tensor guy because as we mentioned He is a tensor stylist Any anything else to let people know about? I Watched the Twitter. I should have a couple of projects coming up real soon and they should be fun I I have I have some insight into what his projects are and I can't tell what they are But they're awesome. So definitely follow and check them out Also, Anthony carboni my friend a pleasure as always Twitter comm slash a carboni Go check out. We have concerns calm The canada come back from his honeymoon canada is not yet back from his honeymoon. He comes back I think this weekend and we'll hear recording new episodes and But we've got a bunch that we recorded before he left that we were been putting up in his absence No, I noticed you guys are good. That's good. 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Oh, thank you Alright Man, why do I keep thinking of Jeff in a bubble near an island somewhere? Is that how we got to Italy by my bubble Plastic bubble and just just the the pure energy of his optimism. He just ran across the ocean He's like, I can see it. I'm gonna cook some pasta Yep, that's the only way I'm thinking about it now So I hope that helped they will sing size. No, that was excellent man. Thank you. That was fun, man No, it's it's it's cool I like I like the the thing they're doing, but I'm sure it's other stuff are coming I mean that somebody's got to make some some heavy-duty electromagnetic Thing that will be what we think what here's here's what I love about the conversation We had about it is the reactions to our conversation could either be you guys are too negative or you guys are Stupid and don't understand it and you helped us avoid both of those It is it is it is overused and and it's it's Like the thing I hate is the term flying car Because I do want a flying car like it actually you get in and it takes off instead We have cars with wings and we have helicopters that can look like cars. Yeah, same thing, right? It's the same same thing. It's it's everybody's trying to do what we want and but my pleasure Tom and Yeah, it's weird to be on this side My shirt by the way, oh Magic I really do you want to Tesla? Electric bike though. Oh, yeah me too. I got so close. I got so close to buying the Faraday Have you guys seen the Faraday electric bike? No, it's the first non hideous looking electric bike, but they're still insanely Expensive like I'm gonna spend two grand on something. It's probably going to be a Really nice scooter. Yeah, you know, I'm probably gonna actually go out and get a Vespa or something The problem is they can't get or even like a used car Like it's so hard to like get the price of an electric bike down to I feel like if they could get it down to 5600 bucks everybody would buy an electric bike. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah Absolutely, it's just there's this wall that they're hitting my daughter wants a Vespa She's at University in Savannah and she just texted me. I want a Vespa and I said Find an electric scooter like get a Honda. Yeah, that's exactly what I said It was funny when I was in Italy The thing I was looking for was how many Vespa's actually still exists and there are some Honda far and away was the most common like better. Yeah when I was in San Francisco for a long time, I had a just like a baron which is a Chinese kind of Vespa alike that I got for 400 bucks and I miss, you know The other thing is you got to really be in a city That's scooter friendly and San Francisco is really really scooter friendly a lot of European cities are scooter friendly I can't imagine having one again here in LA. I feel like I'd be dead in a day Yeah, oh shoot. Yeah, just scootering down the 10 You might as well just sketch you might as well just like get on your skateboard and like grab a bumper and hit hit like the interstate Yeah, you're you've well, that's horrible. I was gonna say something about organ donation, but Yeah, check it off the second you buy a scooter check off that That's not I'm not even fronting like I don't know I think I was always an organ donor, but I after I got my scooter. I literally made sure I was an organ donor Yeah, that's good of you. I've been an organ donor for a long time and now that I'm thinking about it I think I made sure in Illinois To check the box when I became when I owned a scooter. Yeah I don't know if those two were real. I'm not saying they were related, but it was definitely at the same time If my insides are gonna crack open somebody might as well reach in there Let's not make it worthless, but it's kind of mean right because you know, if you hit on a scooter your organs are gonna be Terrible and squishy Exposed yeah, Jenny do we have a title? Hello, I can't hear you Doing the protective double muting Okay, so current top-vote getter is let's get invisible dot that that visible which is to be sung All right, Olivia. Yeah, Olivia Newton-Sebgons. I resisted We've got get invisible I really like iCloud with a chance of litigation Yeah Cobb yeah, cop pewter science not Horacruxes. I like Computer cops niche Let Elon do the D And I think I there's something I like about bending the light fantastic Which is very poetic of Todd Whitehead Bending the light fantastic Researchers at the University of Rochester Well that got a laugh out of all of you, so that's it bending the light Fantastic Unless that was a derisive laugh from one of you. Oh Who could say I don't even know when I don't even know when I'm being ironic anymore Tom Wait, are you being ironic? Would you say that? I don't know. I genuinely don't know. I wish I did I wish I knew when I was genuinely enthused about something I can only speak in derisive emojis It's just a picture of an alien face a hypodermic needle and a cake Oh Let's see what else wait there was something oh it has gone it has fled the brain Let's get invisible Yeah, that's pretty good All right bending the light fantastic is going to be the title I do like I do like cheap easy invisible just because I feel like that's sort of that's sort of describes me in my 20s I think you described a lot of us in our 20s Cheap of easy why I think the last three times I sipped out of this cup it was empty and I keep forgetting it's empty From waiter Garcione you there boy number one. How did you get in here number two? Why is this empty? I just saw I just saw anthony's apartment dot big screen tv on the internet and I thought I'd climb in through the window Yeah Me and your toes are eloping you can't stop but there's obviously going to be a way to make sure that I'm like just like anything else on the internet Like ensuring that your domains aren't seen by everybody, right? Sure And I mean the other thing about this is like As much as every year I go to ces. I make sure to do at least one video where I laugh at smart refrigerators Oh, you must have a nice big collection by now I think my entire hosting reel is just 10 minutes of me like yelling at sam song reps about smart refrigerators, but uh You know it's all coming right everything is eventually going to have to be connected and It is good that people are thinking about the structure and the protocols and People are trying to make it open before somebody goes in before we have The exact same reason I can't beam all of my screens to all of my other screens You know what I mean like everybody pulling in these different protocols and backing different flavors of protocols and trying to get Their patent through like if we can head that off before it happens. That's great But I still think smart appliances are stupid No, and I think that's what we want we want stupid appliances We want appliances that really only know one or two things like I'm a dishwasher and I'm either clean or dirty dishes That's all I know. That's great. I want that that's helpful That's what we want That's not what we're gonna get I like you know, I like the idea of The uh the mellow the sous vide cooker that operates based on your iPhone Like I have like you go you put food in a bag you put the bag into water and you go out for the day And you tell your iPhone i'm gonna be home at six But then at two o'clock you realize you're not gonna be home until eight And so you tell your kitchen yo Hold off dinner's not until eight and it automatically corrects. That's cool. Like that's pretty interesting Yeah, there's not not all sous vide and crockpots are the only things that can do that though, right? Yeah, right You can't really do that. Yeah, you can't really like leave cold food in an oven ready to you know what I mean Yeah, I don't know and it starts cooking the turkey and then you're like wait i'm gonna be home later It's like well too that too bad all you have to do is get a task rabbit be at your house to sit there and Just do the one step that involves taking the food out of the fridge and putting it in the sous vide Then you're all set you use the task rabbit to give The the messenger the domain to your house And then you use that app to send the password to your door lock So they always have the password to your door lock even if you change it And then they can go in and remove something from your smart of it All you have to do And then if your significant other is getting dressed when they come in They're doing it behind the invisibility screen, right? Obviously Okay, I was what I was just gonna say do you need to have separate urls for each of the messengers and task rabbits? Uh, absolutely. Yes Go ahead. There'll be an app that creates those for you And then put the tech experts database. I have a watch that the future is hard The future is hard I have a watch you can understand which can understand what i'm saying and then tweet it out or whatever to people But my freaking dishwasher will not put itself away. What what the heck? Yeah You put a man on the moon My solution I want fish washers. Yeah, that's what everybody One is always dirty one is always clean and then I use the cabinet space for I don't know vinyl toys instead Instead of stupid dishes and other dumb grown-up shit But it's always feels so wasteful to get to get the second dishwasher. It's like ah, you can take him out Well, just make the cabinets into small dishwashers Every cabinet I had a dream once when I was working I was working like all of these double shifts at this at this starbucks like non-stop when I was in college and I you know The more you work the more you dream about work And I started having these like weird work dreams where I would close up the starbucks at the end of the night And as I would turn the lock to the deadbolt It would start the entire store was a washing machine and would fill itself with water and suds And clean the store and everything in the store and then drain the water Through the floor and I was like I woke up in the morning just like that is looney tunes as hell But also somebody needs to get on that that that happened to me this one time My parents were visiting and they didn't know how to use the dishwasher exactly which soap Work the whole freaking You put like regular dish soap in the dishwasher at a roommate who did that You know if we could drive home and it's a visa in your fucking living room. It's great. Yes. It was awesome If we can dry clean clothes. Why can't we dry clean dishes? Whoa good question Gallagher. We can We could vacuum our dishes It's almost it's like Seinfeld Gallagher Dividing line right there. You can swiffer your dishes. What's up with dry cleaning In the chat they're like personal, you know, they're talking about putting away the dirty dishes And they're saying personal robots can't come fast enough and then somebody's like personal robots or personal robots And to that first I would say the personal robots are already here In force or ever there are a lot of personal robots. Once again go to CES. There's a whole aisle of personal robots Take care of those. I just I just want to see a reel of like Anthony carboni in in like a big collared shirt looking at the the the the green institutional green smart fridge and then he's got like, you know some A member's only jacket and he's gonna have a smart fridge And then he's wearing a faddle And originally the smart fridge at first just has like a digital clock on it, right? Yeah And then it's got and then it's got a calculator The final the final year of me doing that at CES I think was me talking at the LG booth I'm like, so what is this and he's like, it's a smart fridge so you can like connect to here And I and I just took the light back and I'm like Why Why The ground in the fetal position Why like three more times and then we got up and just ran away Just ran away Which is that LG is that he's I think it was LG. Yeah Oh my god, poor guy But it's gonna happen one of these states you're gonna have a smart refrigerator Rerater who actually gets sad when you do that He doesn't love me and then hunts you down and finds a place based on the url of your television, of course I can't wait until every client has has the personality of Marvin the paranoid android She haven't made toast recently used to love toast. I don't give it. What's going on Do you not like my toast anymore? Stop texting me toaster Stop You know fiber is really important I can do bagels too I used to like my waffles You open the freezer in your fridge is like you going you going for the the broccoli and peas are you going for the american dream again? Which one you're reaching for You could have vegetables done in five minutes shut up Shut up freezer because I could have this ice cream finished in five minutes All right, I am out of the post ladies and gents Uh, so we're done. 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