 If you think they should hit the notification button speak, if you think they should hit the subscribe speak, if you think they should smash that tail, good doggy. The last Ask a Farmer and the chat morphed into total number of kills, so let's figure that out for this 10 hectares or 25 acres. The results came back from Bobby's survey, 89% of people said don't, so it's in. So we're not going to, we're going to save these field mice. All I've done is open up the gate and let the sheep in here. So the field mice are going to survive, but let's run a hypothetical and say what would I have done if the result had come back and more than 50%, jumpy, more than 50% of you wanted the oats on. So what I would have done first is run the offset discs around the edge of the paddock to put a fire break in, then I want to burn out all the dry vegetable matter in here. So the mice were going to be in for a pretty hard time. Then I would have let it sit for a little while and let the grass germinate and the weeds germinate, and then I would have got the boom spray in and boom sprayed some herbicide and got rid of all the grass and weeds that were growing. Then I would have let it sit for another week, let another lot of germination take place, and then I would have boom sprayed it again, another round of herbicide. And then I would have come in and sowed it. Now you can see from the video footage of a paddock being sown, none of the field mice would have been left alive after that. There would be mice hanging on around the edges of the paddock where the equipment didn't go. So as the crops growing, one in four years we get a mouse plague and we have to bake. So in a mouse plague, the numbers can go over a thousand mice per hectare. We start to notice damages around about 500 mice per hectare, which is sort of 200 mice per acre. That's when we start to notice some damage in the crop. So then we start baiting for that. This oak crop would yield 30 tonne from this 10 hectares. A bad year we're going to get nothing. So we'll call it 15 tonne of oats. And that's probably a bit high, it's probably going to be more like 10. But just because we'll be ultra conservative with these numbers and we'll say we'll get 15 tonne of oats. So we're going to get around about 45 million calories from this 10 hectares. So 45 million. Now the initial sowing we know from these hay bales, we're going to kill 2,000 mice. Then we're going to kill another 200 on average through the course of the growing period and they'll be baited. So there's another 2,000. So we're at 4,000 animals. Once the oats are ready to be reaped, we run a header in here and we'll strip off all the grain. So any mouse that has survived or bred back up from our baiting program will be starved out and they'll be exposed to predators. So the ones that aren't crushed up by the machine and very few actually go through the header, those that aren't killed by the header are starved or the predators can pick them off. So there's another, we'll say another 100 per hectare from that. So we're at 5,000 mice per hectare. Per million calories for this field we're going to kill over 110. Just filled mice alone, we're not talking about all the other sentient animals like the birds and the lizards and the snakes. So just filled mice alone, we're going to be at about 110 sentient animals per million calories. Now these hay bales, if I just ran sheep in here, I could run 20 sheep, 20 ewes. There'd be 33 lambs plus replacing two of the older sheep, so the turnover from here would be 35 animals that would be killed and sent to the meatworks. Then let's count some deaths from the hay bales. So I'd have to lock off two acres in here and get seven hay bales. That's how many I would need to feed those sheep over the summer periods. Let's say I kill the same number as harvesting and it's not going to be that because very few animals actually get killed when you mow hay. Hay is very different to a crop because you mow the hay down before the grasses run up to head so there's no seed heads, you mow it before that. It falls on the ground, you let it dry and then you rake it up and put it into the baler and then the grass continues to run up to seed head. So all the complex ecosystem remains. Let's say we kill 200 centian animals. I've never seen a mouse go into the mower. I've seen snakes, lizards and I've run over a rabbit which must have been very sick because the speed the mower goes most rabbits would just run away. They don't have a problem with it, but I have seen a rabbit go through the mower. So let's say I kill 200 centian animals making these hay bales. And that's going to be an extreme number. That's very high. That includes snakes, lizards and rabbits and mice. And we haven't included all those animals in the calculation for the cropping. 235 animals are going to die. So that equates to about 66 centian animals are going to die to produce 1 million calories of meat from this place. The cropping is almost double that just field mice. We don't even include what happens to the spray that runs off into the wet lands. We haven't included the birds because their insects are going to be removed. We haven't included the snakes and lizards that are going to get killed in the process because we're removing their food source by the mice. So you could effectively double that number. And that's conservatively. You could conservatively double that number and end up with about 220 centiant deaths per 1 million calories for an oat crop for this paddock compared to the 66 for my sheep. Now I'm not trying to be the most ethical when I grow these sheep. You could put three cows on this paddock instead of the sheep, three cows, not feed them hay, just let them graze. If you did the Alan savoury method lock it up into small sections and do rotational grazing, you absolutely could get away with three deaths. Three deaths for 4 million calories. So that's less than two thirds of a death per 1 million calories. That's if you want to be the most ethical. And the reason I don't do it is because I want to maintain the sheep's weight over summer. So they need extra nutrition when the grass is dried off and they're pregnant and they need an extra boost. That's what the hay is for. To manage my sheep's nutrition and to look after them for the best of my ability and the sacrifice is that I'm killing extra centian animals. You don't have to do that if you want to be the most ethical, not quite as good for the livestock that I'm personally responsible for if I didn't feed them hay. So that's why I do the hay, even though I know it's killing more animals. But compared to the cropping, you can see per 1 million calories, no comparison. Now people say, well, what about the predators when you protect when you're looking after your flock? Sure, I kill about 40 foxes a year. But what do you think would happen if I crop my whole place? What do you think happens to the food source for those predators? That's gone too. So they're just as dead. They're dead whether they catch a bullet from me or whether I crop the whole place and they starve out. Just a quick demonstration of what I have to do to grow a hay crop. Let's see how many animals we killed. I'm pretty sure we didn't kill any.