 Happy 419, this is Dynavap Live. I am Josh and I'm joined as ever by George Briewit, the founder of Dynavap. Will Aird, who is one of our hostel reps and our special guest for today, Isaac from Herb Saber. Let's see some shout outs from the chat. While those come in, I wanna ask you Isaac, what is this cool product that we have in front of us? What is the Herb Saber? So we brought our medical grade polypropylene grinder. Our product's unique, it has a lifetime warranty on it so customers have any issues that get a free replacement for life. Our product is the largest storage unit in the market of seven to 14 grams of broken down flour and the largest keaf sifter of three to five grams through the bottom. Is that enough keaf? Yeah, it can hold a lot. That's more than you can fit in your VapCap. Yeah, it is, it can hold a lot of supply in this one. Nice, nice. And I see we got some people from New York City. I see a lot of people in the chat, that's awesome. And then, yeah, this is 419. Now George, before we kind of dive fully into this, why 419? What is 419? I love that question. So it was a couple of years ago, I think it was the beginning of 2019 that we're trying to think, okay, almost everybody knows what 420 is, right? Or what 420 means. What I'm getting at is, of course, cannabis, right? But there's not a small amount of people that associate 420 with consuming a large amounts of cannabis. Our product, our mainstay product, the VapCaps, our thermal extraction devices, are really geared towards consuming smaller amounts or consuming cannabis in a little bit more of a, how should I put it? Flavorful way, right? And so we kind of believe that less is more. And since 419 is a little bit less than 420, we thought it might be kind of interesting to associate ourselves with 419 instead of 420 because our product is really, really nice for medical users, is nice for people that are micro dosing. It also is really, really nice for people that love to savor the flavor and taste the terpenes. Thank you, George. And Will, do we see any questions in the chat at all? We did have a, what is 419 question, so I'm glad that that was answered right away. Oh, we already had that one covered. Yeah, so we are kicking, well, we're actually kind of towards the tail end. Up until February, or on April 24th, we are gonna be running our 419 sale. And today only, we are actually gonna be giving away with every single order over $75, the HerbSaver Mini. So if you're looking at purchase anything, that was a great time to do that. For anything site-wide, excluding the special bundles, which are already past that 20% threshold, you'll get 20% off your order. So it's a great way to kind of stack those savings, get yourself a really cool grinder and a new thermal extraction device. So be sure to check those out. Those two work really well together. One thing that I would love to do is just put a magnet right on top of that. Oh, there's a magnet right on top of that, Josh. Oh. It's just a small magnet. I love it. And now one thing- But there's also a magnet right inside too. When I was playing around with these before, is that really surprised me is the durability of these. You've done some pretty crazy tests. What are some of the tests that you've done that really highlight the durability of these? So that really of our grinders, we can actually grind up coffee beans. There's some pills that can be grinded up. We've grinded up- I saw bacon. Bacon. Yeah. And we actually jacked up a car on these as well, just to show the strength of it. Now, when you say jacked up a car, what happened? It actually held it up on all four tires that was going underneath and it held the car up. So I'm really like hearing this, because most people think plastic grinders, they think cheap, not very good quality. I can't say that about these. Yes, they're plastic, but they're a high quality medical grade plastic. They're not chintzy. They're super solid. I'm sure I could stand on this one, no problem. And holding up a car on four of these. Yeah, it's super, super durable, not just because it's super thick plastic, because it's just generally a good, strong, durable shape. High quality product. We designed this so it lasts a lifetime. That's already gave it the backing of the lifetime warranty on it, because you want somebody to buy this and not have to worry about buying an expensive one where it's out of their budget. Yeah, I absolutely love it. And since we kind of talked about what Herb Saber is and talked about like the durability of this, how did this product kind of come to be? How did you get entered into the cannabis industry? Like why at first of all? So we started back in 2014. I'm one of the owners. I have a business partner named Cody. Just like any Stoner story, we designed this in our parents' basement, just hanging out, thinking of crazy ideas. We were tired of having the little pup grinder and carrying another container of your flower. We wanted to contribute, like, put them both together and have it as one. Here it came out with this product that's affordable, it's functional, and it's just overall just a really good product to have. So you gave me a little bit of insight in terms of how you actually got started. Would you mind elaborating a little bit about that? Tell us about, or tell everyone here about the injection molding machine that you bought on eBay. Yeah, so we made these ourselves from like every process you can imagine. From the plastic, the colorant, the stickers. The whole nine yards we did it all in-house. I mean, Cody, we did it for almost five years through just blue up where now we have the fan base and the recognition that we started now. And it's huge, but we started it all from a garage and a barn with a machine in our own mold and had it going. And now what was that refining the process or the product process for you? I imagine that you kind of did some different iterations as time went on and improved. When improving the product, what were some of the things that you were looking for? We're just trying to keep it the most affordable product possible. We didn't want people to be paying over $20 for something like this. We wanted them to have that under $20 budget where you just have something you don't have to worry about. Yeah, I'm not buying something cheap. I'm buying something quality for your dollar where it lasts you forever. Awesome. And then I wanted to ask for, because you kind of started into this industry on your own with Cody, what is your advice out there for those that would like to get into this industry as well? To be honest, there's a lot of different ways you could point somebody just to stick through it. It's probably the best way. And if you know you have something good, try to hang on to it and make sure you get it to the right people. So your idea doesn't get tarnished or somebody else. It's not fast and it's not easy. No, absolutely not. It took me nine years in making this grinder. There's a lot of bumps in the road for sure. There's a lot of obstacles you have to go through, but if you know you have something good, stick through it and you'll come out. It is an exciting industry, that's for sure. Yeah, definitely. And things are moving fast, but it doesn't seem like they ever move fast enough, does it? And then, George, I'm gonna pitch you the same question since we have a new audience in front of us with Herb Saber who, thanks again for coming up from Illinois, really appreciate that. Love to see you guys. George, how did you get started with DynaVap? How did the idea of the VapCap come to be? So as a person that has that appreciation for, we'll just say herbs, including cannabis, for quite some time, I struggled back in the earlier days with the smoke. I didn't care for the flavor profile. I didn't like the harshness. And I looked into vaporizing. I heard about it. I read about it long time ago, but I just didn't see any around me. And then my neighbor ended up with one and shared it with me. I was like, oh, that's pretty nice. And it was kind of an interesting epiphany moment for me that for the first time ever, I had an experience where my cannabis tasted like it smelled. And something really clicked with me in regards to, okay, anytime I've ever seen anyone share their cannabis, and it's something that I'm sure we can all relate to. When we get together with other people that we know, especially if we know that they share our appreciation for our favorite flower, we share that flower. And when you share it, what's the first thing you do? You hand it to someone and they take a smell because most people that have an appreciation for cannabis also have an appreciation for the terpenes and the aromas that the cannabis has. And then they promptly light it on fire. Well, when I tasted it through a vaporizer, all of a sudden it's like, wow, it tastes like it smells. It doesn't taste burnt anymore. And so it kind of got me going on almost a mission. It's like, well, why does a vaporizer need to be so big and so expensive? And mind you, this was in 2012, is there weren't a whole lot of good options on the market for vaporizers. So I started experimenting, playing around with some glass tubing and some various materials in my basement, kind of like you guys. And after a few tries and a few iterations, I had a proof of concept that, yeah, it is possible to make a simple, durable device that allows you to enjoy all of the benefits and all of the good things and get the complete terpene profile without all the tar and all of the other incomplete combustion byproducts and really taste all those beautiful terpenes. Now, one thing that I find interesting is because you kind of both have that same goal in mind was to create an accessible, affordable product for the masses that was gonna enhance their experience overall. And you were mentioning terpenes and rehearsal, we were talking a little bit back and forth about that. Now, Will, I'm gonna toss you a question since you're kind of our local terpene aficionado. Will, what's your favorite terpene that you tend to seek? My favorite terpene is terpenelene and it's not close. It's super kind of herbal, fruity, very pungent. It is not a super difficult one to find if you're looking for the right strains, but it is absolutely my favorite one. And then Isaac, I wanna hear the same from you. Even if you don't know the exact terpene, like what are some of the flavors that you search for or smells in a good strain? I definitely like the garlic, earthy aroma, GMOs, all those are always good. And how about you, George? I also like terpene, pining is another good one. And as far as strains, durban poison is one of my top favorites if you can find it. Yeah, it's one that you don't see too often anymore. No, in some of the older strains, I think are really nice. And I'm hoping to see more of them come back. I'm actually a big fan of the older kind of... The land races? The older strains, back from like the 70s, 80s, 90s, that tended to be lower in THC, but tended to have a slightly different terpene profile, because it seems like some of the real high THC strains tend to also be maybe a little bit lighter on some of the more aromatic terpenes. And I like those older strains, like the Northern Lights and the Skunks, if you've ever heard of or seen those strains. The Skunk ones have definitely had a pretty strong foothold in the Midwest for quite a long while. Will, have you seen any good questions coming so far? I see you kind of chomping at the bit over there with the keyboard. Yeah, so I've passed through a couple actually. So the first one that I saw was, where can you purchase the grinders? So you can purchase Herbs Saver grinders at herbsaverusa.com. We have a sale going on as well. So you can get these right now. We did have another question. They are made out of plastic. Is, can you elaborate on that at all? And are they recyclable? Yeah, so these are made out of medical grade polypropylene. These are BPA free, just like your normal Tupperware. So it's safe, you could dishwasher this. So if it's dirty, you want to throw in there, get it clean, looking good as new. You could do that as well. And that's all with the lifetime warranty that you were mentioning before. Yeah, as well. And then I mentioned at the top of the show, today only, if you purchase over $75 worth of product from dynavac.com, you will receive a free Herbs Saver Mini. So if you're interested in picking one up or getting a thermal extraction device from us, now is a perfect time to do so. And since we're kind of talking about those two joining forces with the sale, I kind of want to know how this relationship first came to be. Yeah, so I met dynavac at a Champs trade show about a year ago. Like everything great there. There's a lot of great products around there. A lot of good stuff. We linked up there and figured out you're just less than an hour and a half away from each other. So we sort of got that link and now we're joining forces to bring you guys something good. Yeah, we're super excited to have you here. It's really nice considering that there aren't a whole lot of brands in the Midwest in this industry. And I know that you guys are an hour and a half away. I think that there's an opportunity for us to do a lot of really fun things together. Definitely, definitely. And now you mentioned the Midwest and that's a question that I'm gonna post both of you is operating because Illinois only recently went legal and both medicinal has been a little bit longer but recreational is relatively recently. I want to say it was 2019 or early 2020. 2020, yeah. How has it been for you operating in this space in this country? It was definitely hard at the beginning. Like everything legalization just started getting huge in the last couple of two, three years. So we started back in 2014 where this was kind of frowned upon. Really hard to jump in an industry where you're recognizable and really legit but we just stuck through it and had some really loyal fans that sort of made it more worthwhile once we got out there on social media platforms and stuff. It really helped us jump out and branch off the big distributors, wholesalers and now we're worldwide. The community just makes all the difference in the world. Yeah, everyone in this community is really positive. It's always just a good vibe, you know? Yeah. And then George is the same for you because Dynavibes has been around since 2015. How has it been operating in Wisconsin which is still a prohibition state across the board? Yeah, thankfully we haven't run into any difficulties but at the same time, just like HerbSaver, we have only been a manufacturer of devices, a manufacturer of hardware. What the end user does with our hardware is really up to them. And we're a big proponent, I think, like everyone here and hopefully most people watching these streams is we're big proponents of freedom and liberty. What you choose to do with your products and your time, you should really be up to you. So since we only manufacture hardware, thankfully, again, we haven't had any difficulties but we sure would like to see things continue to progress in that positive direction. Like it seems like they're finally starting to go with even our government. Yeah, it's the Moor Act which we were talking about briefly before the show. Yes. The US Congress voted on and passed the Moor Act which would really accelerate this transition that we've been slowly watching happen state by state as they're changing the rules, changing the laws, changing the regulations and really kind of normalizing cannabis. Definitely. And then how can people make a difference in their area with regards to the Moor Act? Ah, I love that question. So I would like to encourage everyone that's watching to call, email or even better, write a physical letter to your senator and let them know that you want them to do their job, represent you and get this bill passed through the Senate. And yeah, that you can do. There's websites on there. I can't remember the one off the top of my head but we'll be sure to on the comments of the YouTube page and we'll put it in the DynaVap Discord which we have not yet plugged. Hopefully, Odo, if you're watching, you can put the link in there. Will, if you have it, that would be hugely beneficial. But after the show, I'll be sure to share the link where you can find your United States senator so that way you can reach out to them and make the difference. Our opinion greatly overwhelms the minority in that regard. I think it really does. And so speaking of DynaVap Discord, let's touch on that for a minute. The DynaVap Discord, if you're familiar with Discord, we have one that's set up for the DynaVap. So anyone that knows about our product, you're certainly welcome to join in with us. It's a very, very positive place for people to hang out and just chat about anything, you know, whether it's movies, video games, music, you can just hang out with other people that are kind of like-minded in the DynaVap Discord. And then you have a ton of fans out there. I see, like, you have 700,000 followers on Instagram. What is that the community presence done for you, like beyond that? Like, how important is that to the longevity of the Herb Saber brand and that building and awareness? Yeah, having those fans is really great. Knowing, like, you have that support constantly. When you do something, everyone says, you know, you love your product, that I'm a fan of this. I've been using it for 10 years. We meet people that have them. They're literally, since day one, the original one. And they still have them. They collected all of them through the generations of our changes and little things we've done to it to tweak it. But like our mini ones, we brought that in a few years after our big ones. So everyone's collecting those. What year did you bring in the mini? I was right, 2018. Okay, so originally it was just this size. Yeah, for four years you had that size. Okay, and so you've got customers that have had these things and used them for 10 years and they still work well. Yeah, there's people that buy them. They're like, oh, I wanted to switch a color and they send us photos. And it's like, man, I remember seeing that thing literally from the beginning. So it's cool. There's a lot of supporters out there. And will I see you nodding over there? I think you have a good question, don't you? I've gotten a couple of them now. This one is for George. What is the origin of the Dynavap name? Oh, yeah, that's so fun. So back in 2014, kind of like you guys, when I was trying to figure out, how am I gonna pull this together and actually take this idea and turn it into a business? It's like, well, the company needs a name. And well, but not just a name. You can't really operate a business. Even in 2014, you didn't wanna operate a business without a website. So I needed to find a name that kind of made sense, but also that I could buy a domain, idealia.com. So I went on a mission and it probably took me two or three weeks where I was just looking at word roots and Latin words and anything that I could find that would be somewhat relevant in trying to piece together a name. And I found that I like Dyna because it's kind of fun, it's dynamic, right? And vaporizer, well, I found that I could buy Dynavap and Dynavap.com, it's like, buy, buy. And that's where the name Dynavap came from. And just another little side note, we pronounce it Dynavap because there is no E. Yes, we do own the Dynavap.com, which who knows what we might do with that someday and hopefully in your future. But our devices contain no electronic parts, right? So they use any source of available heat that you have. And for anyone else that's watching that hasn't seen our product before, you can heat up our device with a lighter like this. I'm using a little torch lighter here. Just kind of roll a little bit over the flame and this cap will click when it hits the vaporizing temperature, just like that. And now you can enjoy the true taste of all of those tasty terpenes because you've only heated it up hot enough to evaporate all of the active compounds, but not hot enough to light it on fire. So this allows for a very efficient and effective use of your favorite flour. So it is a vaporizer, but it contains no electronic parts. You can heat it with some of our battery-powered induction heaters and there's other induction heaters that other makers out in the space make. But if your battery on that goes or if you don't have access to one of those or if your lighter runs out of fuel, you can pick up another lighter from a gas station or whatever and it still works and you don't have to burn. It's kind of nice. It enhances the flavors and makes it a way better experience. Isn't it interesting? Because now all of a sudden you know, I love the way that smells and you load up your VapCap with your favorite flour. You heat it up until the cap clicks and it tastes like it smells and it works just as well, right? Yep. How many percent? Tends to last even longer, right? Oh yeah, for sure. And that's because you even have the micro dose setting in there if you want to be able to extend the longevity even further. Now George, that's how your preferred method, correct? Yes, and I've noticed that more and more people are kind of jumping on board. Just because you push the screen in our device to the smaller setting, it changes things in a really interesting way. You can still get a pretty intense extraction, but you can completely extract all of your material in this chamber in fewer heat cycles, which means you get to put in a fresh load sooner and faster and it's super nice because then you get that beautiful terpene profile all over again without having to do what I think that the people with larger vaporizers tend to run into and you get more of that burnt popcorn not so good tasting flavor profile after you've heated it up or kept it hot for too long. Well, when you run in the micro dose position, you're heating it up once, twice, maybe three times, and then you're dumping it out and you're reloading it. And I think that most people find that when they switch to the micro dosing position, they can still get everything that they're looking for, but the amount of material that they're consuming actually goes down because as you're going through this process, you're quickly extracting all the actives out of a smaller amount instead of taking a smaller percentage of the actives out of a larger amount. Is that right? It works in a really interesting way. So if you haven't tried it, I want to really encourage you to give it a shot. And then Will, you said you had a couple other questions. So there's been a few things that have come in. Awesome. So a little while ago, it was asked, are there any plans or what are the plans for interchangeable sleeves on the bong eye? And what can be told basically about that? Soon, soon, soon. Thanks for the bong eye. This, love this product. Super fun. So this is our bong, our bong. Oh, yeah, we'll grab the chile bong. Yep, and speaking of that, like you just grabbed one of the bundles that we had. Yeah. Fits natively in the chile bong. So this cool little device has both a 10 and a 14 millimeter taper machined right into it. So you can heat it up and just drop it right in and it'll seal right to your favorite water cooling device. So the bong eye, which is this one, all titanium, is take apartable. And these sleeves are interchangeable. That's why the eye on the bong eye. We will have some new sleeves available soon. Probably not this month, but maybe as soon as the next month or two. And we'll let you know, if you want to find out about it first, I would really encourage you to sign up for our newsletter and you can do that on our website, dynavap.com. Also, if you're not a member of our Dynaverse Discord, we'll be talking about it on there. So become a part of our community and we can give you a lot more of the details in terms of what's going on. So Dynaverse Discord and the Dynavap newsletter to really learn and understand and be the first in the know of when we've got a new product ready to launch. Yeah, I do think it's funny that we just happened to have like to answer this question, we grabbed that bundle. Because this is by far my favorite bundle that we're offering for the sale. Normally those two together would be 300. This thing is so cool. Yeah, this is a vacuum insulated stainless steel water pipe. I mean, check this out. And up until 424, this is now only 199, which would also put you over the threshold to get this, the Herbsaver Mini, to date only for free. So I would check those out. You can find those on dynavap.com under special deals. Isn't this just fantastic though? I mean, stainless steel, double wall insulated like your Yeti cup, right? So just like the one that I have. So if you've seen one of these, right? This is made the same way. Metal, metal, take apartable, easy to clean. You can put ice in this thing and you can actually sit with it on the couch and it doesn't, but barely get cold. It's not cold enough to sweat. So it'll stay there and it'll hold ice about three, four, five hours. It's ridiculously cool. And then Will, do we have any others? We have had a few questions come in again. So first one would be, is the grinder, are the grinders recyclable? Yes. There you go, excellent. Now we did also have a question earlier if we could show the grinder up close. I believe that would be great. Thank you. Yeah, I love the teeth formation on that. And when we used, I used one a little bit last week in preparation for our 419 stream, I thought it was really able to chew up some pretty dense material, which was nice. Yeah, we designed it with some razor sharp plastic teeth. People are really surprised how sharp they really are. And they're surprisingly durable. Grinding coffee beans, pretzels, bacon. I mean, if your flour bugs are as hard as coffee beans, that's some pretty interesting flour. So even though it's plastic, this thing's got some serious power. To grind through coffee beans, to grind through bacon, to grind through pretzels, and of course your favorite flour. And then how soon Isaac, after developing that, you were throwing everything at it, what was like the kind of odd item throwing into the grinder that caught you off guard and we're really onto something here? Um, to be honest, we didn't face too many things. The hardest thing we were trying to grind up one time is everyone's familiar with like a vitamin pill. They're really hard. There's almost like, they call them a horse pill. And that thing, it was a challenge for her, but actually grind it up a little bit to the pieces where it broke it down and still held up. So our products were made, the teeth have a little bit of a flex in case there was ever something that hard to be in there. It would actually just keep going. They kind of bend a little bit to get out of the way, but then things start to break up. So it's just such an odd thing, you know, because again, if you're just joining in, you know, most people associate plastic grinders with just the cheapies that you get at the head shop because you lost yours or you're traveling or whatever it might be, this is high quality. Yes, it's plastic, but it's high quality. It's fantastic. Thank you. There you create this thing. So once you get it, you know, you're never gonna switch back to your other one because we're not ripping you off or giving you the best thing you can have. And it's not acrylic. So most of the cheap plastic grinders are acrylic. Yeah, a lot of people don't know. You should talk about that a little bit. Acrylic and other metals are actually toxic. Acrylic is actually very poisonous to you and the friction of that bonding up actually does go into your material. Our grinder actually has a gap in it where there's no actually bonding plastics touching each other when they're rubbing, just the earth magnets that are sliding through it. I love it. Much better than acrylic. Yeah, people really need to understand what they're using and what they're putting in other bodies because it's definitely toxic when you're soaking up acrylic. And now we were talking a little bit before the show too about like some of your favorite things about Dynavap and you had mentioned like the carcinogens that are no longer going into your body because you're vaporizing. What other aspects about the VapCap do you enjoy? Oh, like how you're saying the microdusting when you want to switch back if you're somebody that, you know, everyone likes to smoke a little bit before going to work or something like that. You don't want to take that big hit. You just want to take the little one or just going to smooth you out for the day. The Dynavap could do that where it's just like the perfect mellow spot. Once you learn that little sweet spot, it's like your go-to. And like you're saying, you don't have the smell on you. So when you're going to work, you don't have to worry about your hands smelling, your breath smelling, because you're literally just tasting the flower, what it's supposed to. Yeah, it's just laying on your clothes. Like by the time you walk inside, it's already gone. Yeah, so you don't have that, who just walked by and you get that smoke. Right, right, right. Part of the way I like to think about it is most people like cookies, right? And I've yet to meet someone that doesn't like fresh baked cookies. I mean, come on, you walk into someone's house and they're baking cookies. It makes your day. It's like, all right, fresh baked cookies. But who likes fresh burnt cookies? You leave them in the oven a little bit too long and the whole house smells like burnt cookies. It's not gonna make your day, especially if they're your cookies. Now I burnt my cookies, it's not good. Well, I think cannabis is kind of the same way. Fresh baked cannabis is delightful. Compared to fresh burned cannabis, well it has a very distinctly different flavor profile. And I'm not saying it's bad, but it's very, very different. And when you are able to compare fresh baked cookies versus fresh burned cookies, it's an interesting comparison and I really want to encourage people to give it a shot if you haven't tried it, even if it's not our product. A vaporizer allows you to, again, extract that pure terpene profile and it's much lower odor and it tends to also be more efficient. So your cannabis tends to go further and last longer. Definitely. Like that one right there in your hand, if you have a gram, it could do like 30 packs with it. That's a lot of hits for somebody. Just kind of ridiculous for putting it all into one joint. Yeah, right. Yeah, and that's why, I would say the best, my personal opinion, is the best thing about combustion is it's an easy way to find other like-minded individuals because of the smell. Other than that, it's vaporization all day. And then Will, do you have another one? I've got a couple, a very quick one here. Can the new Vaughn support a spinning mouthpiece? The answer is yes, as long as you have an XL condenser. There you go. You heard it here first. The next one, also a very interesting one, I think at what approximate temperature does the extraction happen when the click, when you hear the click? Okay, beautiful question. This is a great question. So these caps are calibrated to click at a temperature that is conducive to good vaporization. Now, I'm not giving a specific temperature because that specific temperature depends on how and where you heat the cap. Okay, so for example, when you heat near the groove end or the closed end, right? Or as Josh likes to put it, heat the tip, for a tasty rip. Heat the base to launch the space. Yeah, to launch the space. So just the simple thing of where you heat makes a big difference. And so again, to try and make it a little bit easier to see, there's a little groove right here on the end of this cap. When we heat here, the cap clicks at effectively kind of just the lower temperature, terpene, evaporating range, right? When we heat a little bit further down this direction, it's gonna be a much higher temperature when it clicks, which is gonna give you more long lines of full extraction and complete decarboxylation. So generally like that, if you're heating with a lighter, you get the adjustment. Now, when it comes to induction heating, it's a little bit different. When you're heating with an induction heater, the slower you heat, the higher the temperature. In other words, heat a little bit, stop. Give the temperature and the heat a little bit of time to soak in to the cap and to the extraction chamber. Heat a little bit more and then stop. And just kind of slowly work your way up. And you can always take a taste and take a sample as you're going. That tastes nice. Or I could go for a little bit more and you continue heating it up. And that's gonna give you a higher temperature extraction chamber when that cap clicks. And now, when it comes to vaporization, George, do you prefer, if you had to pick one, would you say low temp or high temp? Low. And what about you, Isaac? I like low. Low. Yeah, I think it's low across the board. You got a lot of people that like their terpenes, but I'll typically follow it up and want to clear that off as quickly as possible. Once I get past the terps, then you're putting in work. It's like, okay, let's see how quick we can get this done. Because I want to get back to that really terpy hit. Which is why that micro dose setting is so nice. Because then that's where you tend to live. You tend to live in terp land, right? Where we get these beautiful terpenes in conjunction with the other actives almost every time. And so our flour after it's been extracted, just once or twice, maybe three times at the most, it tends to be kind of a light brown in color. It's not burned. These devices don't burn or combust or char when they're used correctly. They just bake the cookies to just right. And it depends, you know? If you like the low temperature ones, maybe you like your cookies really a little bit soft after they come out of the oven. If you like a crunchy cookie, well, you can do that too. It all depends on what you're looking for. The device is very easy to tailor to your terpine taste preference. Now you keep mentioning cookies, which I find funny, because you can save the leftover material to make butters and things like that to then make actual cookies with your leftover product. And it stretches it even further. And it tastes a little bit nicer. It'll taste a little bit nicer if you haven't made your cookies too crunchy or if you haven't burned your cookies. Because, again, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with burned cookies, but burned cookies tend to have a little bit of a stronger flavor profile than fresh baked cookies. Now, Will, do you like burned cookies? I'm not a huge fan of burned cookies. No, I'm not a huge fan of burned cookies. Well, I am a fan of more questions, so let's see what you got. Okay, we've had multiple questions come in now. First question, is there a Keith Ketcher on the mini grinder? Yes, there is. Yes, there is. Michael, if we can get a close-up here. So on the Herb Saber Mini, you'll see a little screen right here between the storage chamber and this little tray down below. It even has a little trowel there to help scrape it up and get all across those edges, which is a really nice feature. So this is a full four-section grinder. So you're gonna be able to get all those features in there that you want. That grinder, the Keith Ketcher is very deep in that grinder. Yeah, you can store a lot. It is extremely deep. Geez, that's enough to fill the micro-dosing chamber on a VapCap at least, what, two, three times? Oh yeah, and that tends to last a little bit longer when you load it into the tip. Now, is there a reason behind that? Why does it seem to take much longer when you are extracting the pollen? There's more oil, and that's a big part of the reason why the whole idea of having the pollen collector is there is because when you're collecting the pollen or the trichromes, they tend to have a much higher concentration of oil. And effectively what you're doing is you're converting your grinder into a mechanical concentrate maker. And that's really what your pollen is. It's a mechanical concentrate. So no solvents or anything like that. You're just sifting out the parts of your flour that have the most power. I like it. And what do you got for as well? I see you shaking your head again. So the next one that I saw, we saw a couple of different questions actually about this. The low temp cap, how different is the low temp cap in temperature compared to- Super fun. The regular. So it's actually not that much. So about 10 degrees C, just about 20 degrees Fahrenheit. So just a little bit, makes a big difference. There you go. Let's find some more here. Well, and while we're waiting for Will to find a question, Isaac, I have a question for you. What product out of our lineup, would you say you enjoy using the most? Because each, everyone has a different opinion. Now, George is always the one that you use or is in your pocket. But what about for you, Isaac? What's the other one that you gave us? The M? It's bigger. The other one. The Vong. The Omni. The Omni is the Omni. Yes, I was actually giving the Omni like a week ago. I've been using that one. That one's really smooth. I like the adjustment inside of it where you can change the flow of the head through it. So I like mine having a little more open. You have to feel like a bigger gust of air come through, but if you like having it or microdose, you could switch down to a smaller gap. So it's really like innovating how you can actually change how it is and how it hits. There's a, I would say an extreme level of control that you have with that one. I think that's what a lot of people like about it. I know Michael, who's behind the camera and the graphic designer, that's what got you to fall in love with DinoFab was the Omni. And Will, what about you? My favorite device? It's a hard one. I've been using the Vong eye a lot lately. I've been using the Vong eye a lot lately. And what about you, George? What have you been using the most lately? I've had a Vong in my pocket and it may or may not have a different sleeve on it. You get to play with all the new toys in months before everyone else. Well, it's kind of what comes with the territory. Someone's got to test this stuff. And if you're looking to be part of that group, there's only one way for that to happen and you have to be part of the Dinoverse Discord because we do have an internal beta test group. That internal beta test group is completely organized, coordinated and communicated and participates in the development and the refinement of all of our products through Discord. So if you're interested in becoming part of the group of people that helps make our products as good as we can possibly make them, please consider joining our Discord. And then one thing I want to mention too, because we haven't already, we have Will from our wholesale department here. How can someone, if you want to see Dinovap carried in your local store, how can they help? Well, on our website, well, how can they help? Please go in and just show your favorite head shop, show your favorite dispensary. Your Dinovap, explain to them why it's made a difference in your life. I think that'll make a huge difference in how people view the product and just become aware of it. And then if you go to our website, you're able to fill out a wholesale inquiry from there and then one of us will reach out to you very promptly. And now that definitely makes an impact. I know it made a difference for you, Isaac, because when you were showed the product, what was your initial experience? My first experience, well, I met them at the Champs Trade Show. Everyone hands out great products as a little souvenir when you leave. I had, I got it and I wasn't given the packaging for, I just got the device itself. I used it actually as a one-header. Oh, it's a one-header. I think it was actually a traditional one-header and it's on my business partner, Cody. So he's like, no, you're using that wrong. So you're supposed to put the cap on it, heat it up and wait for the click. And when I heard the click, my eyes opened up and I was like, no, it works in it. And then I worked it correctly. And then have it look back. Yeah, then you just use it and you just dial it in. It's soon sailing. And then one other thing too, I wanna make sure that we reiterate it. Up until 4.24, we will be doing 20% off dynavap.com. However, to date only, if you spend over $75, you will get a free Herbs of Savor Mini. So that's a great deal there. Check out our bundles as well because those are gonna exceed that 20% off. So check those out. This one. And then I also want to ask, how can people stay up to date on what's happening with Herbs Savor? So we're really big on Instagram, our main following bases on Instagram. If you stay there, we keep you posted through our live streams as well there in our stories. And then I also saw that we were doing like a co-stream with, I think it was Stoner Shades, right? Yeah, so we're gonna be offering a new design for dynavap. We're gonna have something really special for the fans out there coming up soon. Check it out. Subscribe if you haven't. There's gonna be some fun things coming. Yeah, got a lot of big projects coming towards you. And then for those that are watching on Herbs Savor IG, be sure to check out our IG that's at dynavap. Also check us out on Twitch. You can go to twitch.tv slash dynavap as well as our YouTube channel. If you're first getting into the product that YouTube channel is going to be a huge benefit to you because we have lots of tips and tricks and archive videos with George going through the history of the product, a lot of great value to there, just understanding the history of this dynavap. We also have a nice community on Reddit. So lots of good information, questions, thoughts, and pictures of just an incredibly diverse array of products, many of which that we don't even make. This is a super fun thing about our product. If you haven't come across or haven't seen it before, yes, we manufacture some of our devices. But we've also really tried to do our best to engage with the community, not only to make what they're looking for, but to empower the community to make accessories and parts and upgrades and other different things that are compatible with our devices so you can really customize and have a device that really fits who you are and who you want to be. I love it. And then George, you mentioned the Discord a couple of times. What is your, because that, it's not just a place for those that like vaporizing things like that. No. There is discussion topics for every range. What's your favorite place to hang out in there? The Live Sash. The Live Sash? Absolutely. You know, it's changed my whole perspective on what Discord is and how valuable a platform it is and how amazingly impactful Discord can be as a community to bring people together. Just going there and just kind of hanging out. It really kind of occurred to me. He's like, wow, it's super pleasant and there's like no pressure. I see quite a few people will just join in the Live Sash and they don't say a word. They don't turn on the camera. They just join in and listen. It's kind of like hanging out in the same building with some people that you know and some other people that you don't know but everyone's friendly and you can just kind of listen and see how the conversation's flowing. And what I've heard is from some other people that have joined in, is that they joined in the Live Sash for maybe a month or two, not every day, but just regularly and just listened in before they even uttered their first word. But all of a sudden they heard how people were going, how welcoming it was. And a topic came up that they actually knew something about and the opportunity was perfect. I love it. And then Will, I see you winking at me. We have time for a few more questions. Yeah, I've got a couple here. So first one, about the Discord group, is that United States only or is it about two all countries? In fact, I love that question. So it's one of the things that's so amazing about the Dyniverse Discord in the Live Sash. So if you're by yourself or if you're not, it doesn't matter. But it's really nice when you're by yourself. You wanna take out your VapCap or your favorite consumption device? It doesn't matter what it is. And you might be nice to kind of maybe hang out with someone else that also shares your appreciation for what this community is all about. You can go on the Live Sash anytime of the day or night. And chances are good that there's someone else or several someone else's on the Live Sash because it's such a global platform. I find that just about anytime I go on there's people from Australia, New Zealand, certain parts of Asia, who knows where in Europe, all over the US, Canada, Central America, South America, people from all over the world at any point in time in the day, you're likely to connect with someone. What? It's so cool. Excellent, thank you for that question. It was, that was in the chat. So this is a question that I think I can actually answer. Any plans on trying to make sales more accessible to international customers, perhaps partnering with local vendors to help share the love? We do have international vendors in over 100 countries at this point. Please refer to our where to buy map on our website to kind of see if there are people in your local area. But additionally, any store that you kind of reach out to internationally as well, please just refer them to our website and we can get product into their stores for you locally. So we do offer products in almost every country at this point. Yeah, and we'd love to be connected. So if you have a store that you like, you know, please have them get in touch with us. Yeah, absolutely. And there's not that many countries that we are unable to ship to. Just recently, now like when you go through the checkout that's going to be with your taxes and duties up front, I believe, which is a kind of a change. So you don't have any surprises, you know, a week after you purchase. Much nicer. Yeah, which is, you kind of know what to expect right from the get go, which I think is a huge plus for the consumer. And allows you to better budget. And for those of you in Europe, we've got our dinovap.eu website. It doesn't have everything that we have on our dot com website yet. We're continuing to add products to it every month. And in the not too distant future, you're going to see products that are only going to be available on the dinovap.eu website. Awesome. And then any others, Will? So I've seen a couple of people across both chats kind of mentioned this. George, would you be willing to explain kind of the benefits of the dinovap when it comes to AVB and kind of how that works? We've had some AVB kind of related comments in here, so. Okay, so, and it's not just with dinovap. It really kind of works just about any, what we refer to as thermal extraction device or vaporizer, because these devices function by, again, baking your cookies. They all have effectively an oven that you put your flowers into. And you're heating it up and simply pulling off those active compounds. In this process, you're typically only extracting somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 to maybe 75 or 80% of those active compounds. It's difficult to get them all out through this process. So therefore, by the time your flower isn't tasting quite as good as it used to and starting to get more of that popcorn flavor, you can take your extracted material and put it into a container and save it. That flower now has been fully decarboxylated and can be baked into all kinds of things, can be made into butters and oils in all kinds of other edible products. So you get to get that extra mileage out of your flower. And then there's one other thing that I think is just super fun that works really well with our product. Some other parts of some other devices, but really well with ours because with the exception of our devices like the Vong with the wood parts, almost every part of our device is safe to immerse in fluids. The cap we don't recommend but it doesn't really get all that dirty. But you can take this whole device and drop it into a hot cup of coffee or better yet, pull the tip off, take your cap here and poke the condenser out, okay? The stem generally doesn't get very dirty. Almost all of your reclaim is gonna land inside this condenser or inside this tip. And when you take these and put it into a very hot cup of coffee or tea with an extra bit of creamer, what'll happen is a lot of the oils and the reclaim that are on these parts will dissolve into that hot liquid. Now it's real important you got the creamer because you need the fat in order for it to dissolve. And now you've just made yourself a liquid edible. Yeah, and that'll, I wouldn't recommend if you don't have an afternoon free, if you've gone a while from cleaning your device. I found that one out the hard way as I'm sure I'm not the only one. I think we have enough time for probably a few more questions, Will. Okay. So there was a follow up question actually for that. So does a full burn use everything? Oh, I love that question. So when you're burning your cookies, you're effectively left with ash and there are effectively no active compounds left in the ash. Can you eat it? Sure, but it's generally not gonna taste very good. It's kind of a yucky texture too. And there's really not much in there that's gonna have an effect. Now you could scrape out the resin which is kind of black and tarry and there's some actives in there but it's gonna have again that resin flavor. Fine if that's what you like. But again, huge difference between thermal extraction or vaporization versus combustion. You're generally going to on a scale in terms of the amount of active compounds you're gonna consume per gram. When you use a device like this, you're gonna get effectively almost 100% of the active compounds. The only ones that you're not gonna get are the ones that escape either before you inhale or as you exhale. Everything else you're going to receive. When you burn your cookies, the process of burning actually destroys upwards of 60 to 70% of all the active compounds because as the cherry is going through your material and burning it, it's so hot that it actually thermally breaks down and destroys those active compounds and literally turns them into ash. So you have no ABV when you burn and you only have maybe 30, 35% at best of the active compounds in the smoke. So there's a huge difference in efficiency and it's probably one of the most prominent things that we get in terms of feedback from our customers when they transition from combustion to thermal extraction is that, wow, I'm using a whole lot less flour. My stash is lasting a lot longer and it's not unusual for people to say that their stash is lasting twice as long as it normally did. Yeah, that was a little project that we did last year where we gave out some CVAPs to people and they gave us feedback and they were able to extend their stashes by quite a significant margin, oftentimes at least around twice as long, which is a huge difference for people. So it kind of tends to pay for itself after only a few ounces. Or less. Yeah, or less. And Will, do you have one more? I have two more. Perfect. So this one is actually a dinocoil related. How are you supposed to know when the dinocoil bowl is done to keep you from combusting? So it's difficult to combust if you're paying attention to the click. So that's that one. The other thing is just like if you're using concentrates, you're probably familiar with the dab rig. And if you overheat or you don't clean out your dab rig after using it once or twice, you've got a lot of residue in there. It just doesn't have a real nice flavor. That's the same thing that'll happen with the dinocoil because the dinocoil, although it holds those liquid concentrates nicely, since we're operating about the same temperature range as the dab rig, you're not going to extract or vaporize everything. So you're gonna have some residue or some reclaim that's gonna build up in that coil. So the flavor is gonna kind of shift to something that's not quite so nice. And then what was your second question? So I've actually, I have two more now. The last one's kind of... Actually, would you be able to explain the size, the storage size in the mini and the larger herb saver grinder? We've had a couple storage questions as well. Yeah, so the traditional one, this one holds up the seven to 14 grams of broken down flour. This one holds a lot. We'll put a VapCap in it for reference, right? So it's about two and a half inches deep. And then this one has the three to five gram sift collector through it, which is very large. It's about one inch. It's like unbelievable large. It's really big. And then the mini one, this one can hold up to one to three grams broken down flour, depending on the density of the flour. That's a huge capacity for a triple flour. It's still a very large amount. This is great for people going on hikes, going to the beach, just hanging out with your friends or something. And it can still hold up to one to two grams of sift in the mini. So it's a lot of keeps so you can go through there. And one thing you mentioned the hiking, with that being so lightweight as well, I know like there's a lot of like, ultra like backpackers and things like that who are down to counting grams. This is a perfect grinder for that because it's not going to really add any considerable weight to your pack. We're gonna have to put that on a scale, Josh. I think that the Vaughn actually weighs more than the mini. Oh, I'd be, I don't even think we need to do that. I think that's without a doubt. Just nice. And then Isaac, are there any plans? Cause I know like with the cannabis industry booming, you'd have more cannabis processors requesting larger grinders. Are there any plans for even larger capacity at some point? Yeah, we have some really good products in the works that are going to be coming to people live probably this summer. That's going to be a really good game changer that everyone's going to want to get their hands on. And then George, you had mentioned the interchangeable sleeves coming up. Is there anything else that you could potentially allude to the audience out there for what they can expect from Dynavap in the coming months? Glass. And then we'll, I think we'll take that question from you. Okay, there's been so much talk of cookies around here and I have seen at least a couple of questions. I love that you're handling. What is everyone's favorite cookie on this panel? Isaac, I think you need to go first. Double chocolate chip. Let's go. I feel like I'm on the spot now. It's like, oh, I would have to say just like a simple, like soft chocolate chip cookie if I'm going to be completely honest or a good peanut butter cookie. Okay, George. So I had this really interesting person out in the Dyniverse mailed me some cookies and they were pistachio blarney stone cookies. And it's like, holy cow, it's always good. They're gonna be really looking at it now. Now what about you? I can't even spell that. I love snickerdoodle cookies. Snickerdoodle is my favorite. Is it because it's fun to say or because it tastes good? It's because I also cannot spell it. So, it's very nice. Cool. Well, we want to thank everyone for tuning in. Before we wrap up, we want to remind you that we do have a sale going on until April 24th. It's gonna be 20% off site-wide, excluding the special bundles, which are gonna be even better than that. But to date only, you can get a free HerbSaver mini with any order over $75. So be sure to check that out. If you're thinking about purchasing, now would be the best day to do it because you're getting that added value in there. Or if you were to wait a day, you wouldn't be getting it. So check that out. You can follow HerbSaver online at at HerbSaver on Instagram and then you also have the Facebook page and Twitter, correct? Yeah. Did I forget any of them? No, that's all of those. Perfect. And then George, you do tea time every Sunday on our Twitch and Instagram page. Yes. And at 8.30 central time. Perfect. And what do you do on tea time for those that are out there? Basically, it's just kind of a chat. You just sit down, you know, interface with the community. I try to make myself available for anyone that's got any ideas or thoughts or otherwise so that we can do our best as a company to stay in touch with what's going on and what's important to you. Awesome. And then for the rest of Dynavat, make sure that you follow us on Instagram. That's at Dynavat. That's D-Y-N-A-V-A-P. Also follow us on Facebook, Twitter, on Twitch, which is twitch.tv slash Dynavat. We're on there a couple of times a week. George is on there every Sunday as he stated before. And we also just started a TikTok relatively recently. So if you wanna see more behind the scenes content, that would be the place to see it out. But we wanna thank all of you out there for watching. If you know any stores that you would like to carry the Dynavat products, send them over to Will and that's at will.aird at Dynavat.com. It is William.aird at Dynavat.com. Yes, please use the wholesale inquiry on our website. That is the easiest way to do it. And then if you are watching this on our Twitch page or YouTube page, be sure that you give us a subscribe or follow and give us a thumbs up that really helps the algorithm out. That goes for all of the herb savers pages as well. Help us out, help them out. Let's get the good word about there and create positivity in the cannabis community because as it grows, more toxicity likes to slip in. So let's keep everything positive. Is there anything else George that you would like to mention before we? I think you summed it up really good. Just all in all, thank you everyone. We're so happy that this community allows us to continue to make and provide high quality products to you. We really wanna hear from you. Please do reach out to us if you have any thoughts or feedback. We're at your disposal. Our company exists to provide this community with the products that it's looking for. And then Isaac, is there anything that you'd like to add before we leave for the day? If anybody has any questions about herb saver, you can DM us. We have somebody on there on Instagram that'll respond to you. It's a great product, he'll check it out. We also have our sale going as well. So if you wanna go get that, we have tons of colors. We have 10 big colors and 12 mini colors available. We have really specialty colors. You have glow in the dark and glitter ones. I love the glow in the dark. So yeah, go check those out. Those are really hot. Well, thank you so much. And I hope this is the first of many conversations with you because it was a real pleasure. Appreciate you coming up. Definitely. And yeah, I hope you all enjoyed it and we will see you next time. Thanks. Thanks for watching Dynabap Live. 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