 Welcome to this camera event for Home Run for Julian. First to say to you is this is all being live streamed. So can you please not get in front of any of the cameras as a camera there and a camera there. Obviously if you don't want to be seen live streamed, make sure that you're not going to have to use a flip. So next, welcome to country. We need people with us to circulate. I'm sure there will be donations to circulate in some way. It would be most appreciated. There's also goods to sale there. So I guess probably we all know why we're here during this time. There's been a folk hero to many of us for a long time and clearly has suffered absolutely unreasonably. For you with my take on this, we've got some excellent speakers today who can tell you an awful lot more than I could and I'd just like to introduce the first writer, Bernie Quirry. Bernie Quirry is a former ACT Attorney General, but possibly an even more important reason why he's very relevant to speak today is he's also suffering from the same sort of oppression as during this time. He's currently involved in a court case because of, what should I say, wrongdoing some of the Australian government towards the Timor and Loose government, but he... Criminal wrongdoing. Criminal wrongdoing is done that he has an involvement in telling the world about. And for that, he's been prosecuted. Same success situation as during him. Reporting on wrongdoing. Who gets prosecuted? It's the whistle-blowers, not the wrongdoers. So with no further ado, I'd like to welcome our first speaker for the night, Bernie Quirry. It's said on the front of it, Respect, Integrity Commitment. I wonder if that's T-shirts made in China. It's a label and it's said, Puma, Puma, made in Australia. And that's the sort of T-shirt that you often see at Prime Minister Morrison standing next to it all these openings. He just struck me while Julian's cascaded by himself. It struck me that a sort of era of what I think is called dual moralism. The dual moralism of the British colonial era that our wonderful opening speaker mentioned. The colonialism. I mean, Bible bashing people went out to those colonies and righteously sought, and this led, of course, to the moral matters like the stolen children era and the rest, where they weren't consciously doing evil like the Nazis were, but they had a blank spot on the root morality with which they were involved. And while we restrict the debate to whistleblowing, we don't see the full picture in my view. The full picture is that somewhere along the lines a dual morality arose, particularly in this country. And it's the dual morality that inflicted the first nations, people, righteousness with a blank spot on the real root morality of issues. And the same dual morality of our Hillsong Prime Minister is so marked, so marked, and the corruption of his cabinet is so marked, so latent, prevalent, and arrogant. And I won't go through the narrative, sports rorts when they speak of the Russian involvement in the 216 United States elections. But what about in this country where millions were spent in marginal electorates? I mean, what is a more gross deceit and law-breaking than that? And then... I'm waiting... I'm pretty well... I have difficulty practicing at the moment. As you know, I shouldn't be at the bar table as someone accused of conspiracy, so I've lost my living largely. But I'm waiting for the brave lawyer who first appears before this newer pointy to the initiative for Bielstra, who has not even had five years of legal experience as required by law. She's been appointed to a 400,000-thousand-a-year job, and she will take her place in the initiative for Bielstra, Bielstra-Bienel of the Commonwealth. And I think the first lawyer to appear in front of her should ask, should state that she has no right to be there. Now, I call upon that publicly. I want there to be a call by her profession for her not to be present, not to be taken per place in the AAT. Almost goes back to the 1688, 1689 Bill of Rights, where the monarch sought to appoint their people to his people rather to particular courts. So it's an all-round immorality, but it's not a blind one. As much as we can forgive the missionaries of the 19th century, how can we forgive the people who are treating this man that way? How? Because we know those moralists tut-tut about the machine gunning of innocent pedestrians on a street. We've seen that revealed by WikiLeaks. We tut-tut about the excesses at Guantanamo Bay, of course, and Morrison will agree. That was all wrong. We fixed all that. But, little people, the revealer. And that's the dual morality that afflicts us. The lack of ethics, the lack of principle, and it's across the board in our government. Across the board. And I'm not preaching. I'm just telling you that as one of the people at the end of that, that we really fundamentally need a shift. It's not just an argument about the rights of whistleblowers. It's not just an argument about the right of the lawyer, like myself, to represent someone in good faith. And I'm just talking to John Shipton, Julian's dad, earlier on. I was trying to remember when I first met Julian. I remember more on his brother Gabriel, that I just cannot put the 35 years back. But they were sharp, intelligent young men. And I think it's an appalling tragedy of what's been done particularly to Julian, who I suspect, and I hate to say it, will not be the same after this. But I think we have to rescue him and rescue for him what the rest of life will bring to him, which I hope is some hello status in the workings of democracy. You're asking to seek constant, to seek full backgrounding of journalists about Julian. And we know all about that. But there's some I want to particularly, in a couple more minutes I'll speak, draw your attention to. It's constantly said that the reason why we have to prosecute Julian and the reason why we, speaking for us, they do, have to prosecute witness Kay, is that we have to keep our intelligence partners confident that we can keep secrets. But the perversity of that is that our honest Five Eyes partners, and I think New Zealand is one of those at the moment, would be more reassured that people in our services would speak up for unlawful conduct. And that would strengthen their confidence in our intelligence agencies. So it is a deceitful, twisted lie to say that, well, the US Armed Forces Committee has acknowledged, and during, I've read the transcript of Julian's exhibition hearing, all 134 or 140 pages of it. And the US Armed Forces Committee chairman accepts, and that was common ground at the hearing in London, that no important secrets had been revealed in the whole show. And more to the point that no significant human source person's needing protection had been compromised, right? So we get back to the so-called Taliban villages who were willing to speak to our troops. Well, who else knows, the argument for weak, that that's constantly trotted out, that we've got to strengthen our intelligence services and protect them from wrongful disclosures of the kind. That is, it's wrong to reveal murder, and wrong to reveal that we want to keep the impoverished people of Timor further impoverished. Our country is on a cusp of something that's very, very important, and that is that we need a working opposition. Government shouldn't change simply by default. We shouldn't be joyous at the current situation because we've not had an affirmative statement from the opposition about Julian. And that has to be said and Richard Miles and those who are briefed by our intelligence leaders. And at the moment, Asus has a land of integrity in charge. He's appointed Asus, and I can't go into that, but I do know what's going on. But we've had some internal action that I'm sure persons like Witness K would welcome, but that doesn't help Witness K, does it? Now, then finally, I want to restress that we need the legal profession in starting to stand up. We need them to say, state that they will not appear in front of that appointee. That will be a moment in Australian legal history that I think shouldn't have occurred. Now, if I could just get a brief to be first in front of her, I'll do it. I must want to lose. But that should happen, and my profession needs to stand up. And secondly, we need to deal with the background briefing about what Julian's alleged to have done. I can't for the life of me, and it's a massive study that magistrate did in the United Kingdom in his extradition hearing, a massive study of the evidence, which of course, she rightly said is mostly a matter for trial, but she weighed the issues and she pointed out very clearly that there was no commanding evidence of the excessive things, particularly the move-up process saying. So, thank you. Thank you very much. Our next speaker is David McBride, and he's someone else who faces the potential of joint time simply for telling the rest of the world about the things that our defence forces have been done. Every small piece of defiance helps. Bernard has helped my case enormously and witnessed Kay because the background that the defence force was trying to do against me was like, he's just crazy. He's imagined it all never really happened. And then to have the witness Kay and Bernard Kay is just nothing to do with me, but everything to do with me at the same time. There's an enormous blessing. I could say, here's another person who served his country. Here's another person with a moral compass. And here's another person who says, we're doing the wrong thing. We're not connected. It's not a conspiracy. Conspiracy is on the other side. And that has really helped, has has over the other whistleblowers. It's always good to see Bernard Kay denied and I'll finish on this last one. And the central enemy is what Bernard said. It's that he was too polite, but it's that duplicitousness. It's that I don't think there's two moralities. I think that there's a lot of people in government who are pathological lies and are just not here all the time to be there. You see that in the United States, but if they realize that there are a lot of vulnerable people, religious people out there who as long as they sort of say, I go to church and bash the Bible or whatever it is that there's, they can just milk that and they can steal the money from the church funds, have inappropriate sexual relationships too. They can get away with everything if they bash it on certain courts. And these people are bad. And particularly bad, like in the Defence Force, when we were taught from day one, I thought that Bernard was reading out of Defence, you know, courage, initiative, teamwork. In fact, it became so cynical that when they had a sex scandal, what they immediately did was said, we'll deal with this, we'll get another buzzword. Another buzzword. Respect that and fix it. And nobody said what, really? A buzzword? A buzzword and a calibration is going to fix it all. But that's what they're like. Everything is about front and it's become, it's got out of control. Nothing that they say is what is actually happening. And that's what struck me in the mountains of Afghanistan suddenly that this force I've been working for for so long was just phoning and everything was at front. Everything was what they call an information operation. They would send back good news stories to win the election, win the spin cycle. It didn't matter who died, it didn't matter how many civilians were killed, as long as nobody fought over. And that's why they hate Julian Assange so much because people found out and people never care fighting out. But the fact that you guys get that, I mean, I'm not going to preach to you, because you guys get that. Not funnily enough, not everybody dies. But as long as you guys keep the flame burning, burning my reflection and exhibition down in, you know, Melbourne recently, you know, photos look a bit like gravestones. In fact, I couldn't help but think you look like the first Christians in that feted line. But anyway, they achieved a lot, those Christians, by their art. Stoke, stoke suffering. They've probably eaten me before burning, I'm a bit more choking. We're achieving something here and a little bit of suffering. It's a bit like a 15-round boxing match and it's probably only a round eight, but I reckon we're going to get there in the end. But again, we would only make it with people like me. If I didn't have, and it's doubly one last bit of praise, I grew up in Sydney and I went to an expensive school and I've got a lot of friends who are millionaires and whatever and that. I don't get much support from them. I don't get anything like the support from their private school people. But it's not so much putting them down, they're normal, it's putting you up. You know, you guys are out there in the cold in winter and they're there in the heat of summer. You are very quality people, you know. If you might, Australia might understand that, but you are the absolute backbone of Australia. You know, I just can't say that enough, so thank you and keep it up. Thanks, Moe Haynes. Thank you very much, David, and thank you Bernard again. Thank you very much the two whistleblowers who are here. We really appreciate the sacrifices you're making for all of us. It does need some introduction to a Canberra audience, but I'm sure not to a lot of people here. This is Jacob Gretchen, who is the tour manager for Home Run for a Sarge, and so he is a major part of why we're all here today. He is here to tell us more about why we are here today. Thank you, Caroline. I'm not going to speak long to my main issue until you hear about the Home Run, but first I want to acknowledge that we're here on none of the land, as others have acknowledged before me, and it's important we know this. It's important we keep it in mind. We started in Wurundjeri country down in Melbourne. We moved out to Jalurong country up through the Yorta Wurrida, Gungalyn, Wurrudjeri, Gungalyn, Jarik, Gungalyn, and now we're here in Ngunnawal country and every step of the way we've been welcomed. We've been welcomed by the people, and that's been incredibly important to us. Now this is important because when we're talking about Julian Assange and we're talking about, with respect, Bernard and David, we need to remember, I like to bring things back, they've already said it, what they're doing here is exposing lies. So we need to acknowledge the first set of lies that this country was built on, the lie of Terra Nullis and is still and always has been Indigenous land. And I know in correspondence with Julian Assange and written that he supports that notion. As the people here, the Indigenous people, wherever we've travelled, wherever I've travelled, talking about Julian, have told me time and time again. He's one of us. He's an Australian. And when they talk about him being an Australian, they're not talking about being a Black fellow. He won't find anyone wider, quite frankly. But what they're talking about, it's been expressed to me, is one of the people that's been shat on from a great height by the Australian establishment for speaking the truth. Just like these other people, Bernard and David, are today. And it goes on. Look, it's been going on a long time. I remember, and I remember some of the people here, we've been an example. And 30 years ago, my office was just here, the Alpinsland Children's Street building. And I remember in 1989, while I was up at the NAITEX Centre organising the campaign against AIDEX, Australia's International Defence Equipment Exhibition, all those years ago, I remember very clearly sitting there camped at the Race Cross Car Park working against the arms companies. And one of the arms companies that we had in our focus was a mob called Digital Equipment Corporation. DEC were exhibiting here, selling weapons, weapons control systems all around the Azubis Bib region. And I never forget, as you were sitting in that dusty camp, it was a stinking hot Canberra summer, hearing the news that someone has got information from the DEC Corporation. And it thrilled us, all of us there, at the camp, to know that these new technologies could also be used against the corporations. And then, the next day, we found out that the people behind that were Australians. And I don't know who it was, but apparently the bloke's name was Mendax. And it was the first time, for a long, long time, I remember going, yes, and we're proud to be Australians. And then Drillian has gone on and he's continued that. That was 30 odd years ago. Exposing the lies, not just to corporations and governments, exposing pedophile networks for the Victorian police, setting up the first free ISP in Melbourne called Suburbia. And he called it Suburbia, he said, because he wasn't interested. In the middle of the city, he wanted to harness the power of the people collectively in the suburbs around Melbourne. He wanted to give control of the truth to you and I. And that's why he's in prison. And that's why they're hassling Berlin. And that's why they're hassling David. So the important thing about exposing the truth is knowing the truth. And one thing we've been asking while we're going around the country is one thing that's a very, very important thing to bring Drillian home. But when we bring Drillian home, not if, but when we bring the bugger home, we want to bring him home with the knowledge that his work, that he's suffering, that he's pain, that his incarceration has not been in vain. Everywhere I go, I talk to people, they support Julian Assange, they support to work at WikiLeaks, they support Whistleblowers, they support this, they support that. So I'm asking people now, when you go home tonight, go to WikiLeaks.org. It's a really easy website to use. It's built by the best computer heads on the planet. All right? It's an easy website to use. Type in your favourite politician, your favourite company, the city where you live. All right? And get the information because the important thing is the reason Julian's inside now is not because he knows the information, but because he wanted you to know it too. So when we bring the bugger back, let's collectively tell him that his work was worthwhile, that we're full of the knowledge of what he's done. And that's all I want to say about that. We've been travelling round, as I said, through Victoria and New South Wales, through a heap of people's country, with John, Rain, and Grahame's up to back, and Shanaaz has joined us for a bit, all different people. Ian's joined us for a bit from Sydney. It's a movement that's growing. It's a movement that's growing, and we're going to win, and we're going to bring him back. And we need your support, so please come over to the table, drop a dollar in the bucket, buy a book, John will sign it for you, and help keep us on the road, and help spread the message. How much are the books? The books are $40. What an intelligent question for you. Hello. And you said also, Joe, not just to WikiLeaks.org, check out AssangeFreedom.netword. And this will show you hundreds of groups right around the world, with their social media profiles, their addresses, some of their telephone numbers, the actions that they're doing. And when you see that, hopefully you'll be inspired to see the thing saying, click, create an event, and create another event. Your own event. And keep doing this. Free Assange. One word. AssangeFreedom. AssangeFreedom.netword. AssangeFreedom.netword. All right? And then up the front can tell you more about that after the gig, and if you require an information. Okay, so thank you all in traveling here today. And it's been my pleasure and my honour to get to know over the years and travel with over the last few weeks a man who, I just found out the other night that Noble is his middle name and it didn't surprise me. Please put together a man who's looked after his son for all his life, John Shipton. I've been quite moved. So I'm only to come to you and big thanks for the hospitality that's been given to me and my family while we were doing this round. I also want to thank the people that I've travelled with and the crew that have been nominated already. They've been great. They've held each other up and helped us. It's rough going, you know, like a travelling circus. We just sleep in the truck, go to the next town, give a speech, open to bed, get up, walk to the next town. They're very welcome and many, many different people, lots of new friends. But today is pretty special because one of my oldest friends I haven't seen, but he's somewhere in the audience. I've known since I was a boy. That's where it is, disappeared. There. Ah, there. He's got the back of him. I'd like to briefly speak about two things, three things. One is quality. The other is values. The third is power. The quality is the work of David, Bernard, Julian, Chelsea and even others. They've been to us a quality which we call truth or fact. That quality allows for reform in governments, in the governments of us. An important point to remember is that secrecy brings about more secrecy. I don't mean strategic secrets. I don't mean tactical secrets that defence forces need to keep. I don't mean those. I don't mean secrets, for example, all of our medical data or only to be retained in Australia, on clouds in Australia and held in cryptic. I don't mean that. What I mean is that the set of secrecy that protects the malicious malign activity of government as they scheme away that brings about a criminologic environment wherein the truth no longer matters in parallel institutions infected each other and we go into a sort of decline where the difference between what we hold in the public and what governments do is always being feathered by propaganda of one sort or another or that those who bring this truth are covered in obliquely and calamity and chased to the ends of the earth in the case of Julia now in the eleventh year. The United Nations declared that he was arbitrarily detained. They reaffirmed that in February 2018. The United Nations rapporteur on torture said that this man has been tortured into the law to experts to the Belmarsh prison who testified to that fact. Not people who were on Julian's side but people who examined the effects of psychological torture of lies, nightmares, smearing, mobbing and encouraged by the executives of our country that they say there's no accidents in politics. So the acquiescence of my government to Citizen Assange in the treatment over these eleven years amounts to a complicity that are no accidents. The next is values. There will be a climate change conference in Glasgow. All the world's leaders will get together to try and sort climate matters out amongst themselves. The American empire approach will be on values. We hold these values. The others don't. Let me just describe to you their values. Gideon Polier is an academic in Melbourne, an Australian academic. Estimates that the excess death his experts, expertise is to be able to calculate excess death from the normal pattern of life and death. Six to seven million direct death in the Middle East over the last 20 years. They have brothers and sisters, these people. Mothers and fathers uncles and aunties. There are people like us. When they know of the death of a loved one they grieve. Can you imagine the whole grief that sits about the Middle East? It would be as thick as brown university at the stages university in the United States calculates that there are 38 million refugees wandering the world from the destruction of seven countries over the last 20 years. That's their values. The values of Julian and David and David and others are clear to us. And so in defending these men and in defending these people we defend ourselves in insisting that the government no longer behaves in this fashion we defend ourselves power. There are 24 parliamentarians in the assigned support group in the parliament. These good parliamentarians are on the ground. They follow the concerns of their constituents and their own moral judgment and bring to the institution of parliament the concerns and put it before the executive to right these wrongs. This illustrates our power. It's a power that we have delivered to the circumstances of Julian and David and burn our power emanating, reverberating throughout the world. In the full mistake they have a cross-party group. The second one in the world. The first was here. They have a cross-party group. They invite me to address them. The Council of Europe declared Julian a protected universe. The Council of Europe declared Julian a protected universe. So we're not by ourselves by any means. The chairwoman of the Council of Europe Human Rights Commission issued a similar statement a little bit stronger. The Austrian government followed up with a similar statement. The chairwoman of the Human Rights Committee in the UK Parliament has 15 parliamentarians is putting together a worldwide symposium on those parliamentarians that are deeply concerned with what has happened to Julian Assange and what it means the meaning. The meaning of this is the oppression intimidation so that it reduces the capacity of ordinary citizens to be educated and to converse with family and friends to know where to turn next. What to do? Who to support? They call it dumbing down on the internet. I don't know about that. I do know that the restriction of flow of information will disable us in the making proper decisions on who to support to guide our families how to involve ourselves in our communities. Judicial expeditions judicial kidnappings men and women Jewelry and Assange all opinion AG Barr Intermediate General Barr He was known when he worked in the Bush administration as the snatcher because he could manipulate the laws to extradite people into the United States that they didn't like or wanted to hold as hostages or whatever. So find comment on power. You have and I thank you for that raised us up and in this is it sounds a little bit like magic but bringing Jewelry home in some way a small grain goes into the grief that those people suffer in the Middle East. It sounds like magic but it's true I travel the Middle East. The support for Jewelry is extraordinary. They have a thing there generally that they believe that the qualities of a child come from the father and they're nurtured by the mother. So they pat them on the back and they do everything like heartbeat or whatever. I want to illustrate that what we're doing will bring satisfaction of a small time but it begin to those people. Lastly when the Leopold of Belgium destroyed the Belgian Congo the flux of life cannot stand this sort of thing and you can see that in the destruction of Iraq involved in Great Britain no longer great United Kingdom falling apart the flux of life cannot bear this so we have that one aside too thank you very much Thank you very much John I'm sure all of us are thinking what an amazing father Julian's got I'm a Middle East sailor he's very very true in this case and in all cases I guess that's the end of our formal speakers what we're going to do now is have a Q&A which means that there's going to be a minute or so while we reorganize the seats I guess to do this I'm not sure what we're doing but we will be doing it so I guess I can take questions I can just take questions or if you want to sit up and find it just take the questions any questions any questions gentlemen in the middle stand up and speak loud I'm not sure which individual I'm a reserve gentlemen thanks that's great sorry I could speak loud you had to set up in terms of the inquiry that has been talked about into the success of the Iraq and Afghanistan war I think it was particularly the Afghan war that Australia joined in on Jackie Lambie as mentioned it was probably about a week and a half ago does anyone of our speakers know any particulars about whether or not there will be an inquiry into the purpose and outcome and subsequent loss of the war on Australia's behalf and US any takers for an answer for that you might do have more like tomorrow tomorrow's rally is organised principally by the friends parliamentary friends they probably know more about it than our experts do here can I ask when you ask the question if it's directed to someone in particular can you say that gentlemen yeah yeah Bernard and David stand for and the increasing contrast with the current federal attorney general do you want to take that one Bernard yes please as you're close enough please I've been delused in questions about what my reaction is to Christian Porter's situation my only reaction is huge sadness for the woman involved few of you may know but she attended school here for a time in fact she went to school with one of our daughters I have no comments to make about Christian Porter I think the real issue is what happened to this woman and I'm not going to in any way seek to profit from his difficulties sure this is about whether Julian Assange would be safe in Australia so I interviewed George Christensen and he seemed to think that he would and the reason was I drew a parallel between the Commonwealth director direction of public prosecutions said in relation to Dan Oaks the ABC journalist who was reporting on war crimes in Afghanistan using classified information that it would be easy to secure a prosecution but it is not in the public interest to prosecute journalists so he seemed to think that that was a legal precedent when the AFP dropped the case so supposing he was okay in the UK that he gets off that means he's safe theoretically he's safe in England but the big question and Mary Kostakita seems to have a lot of doubt about that about whether he would actually still be safe in Australia after that precedent that legal precedent is it a precedent? David the mayor is to contribute to this but the real risk for Julian that he recovers the fact is there's a new bill before the parliament right now that means that if any of you by chance use WhatsApp and in your WhatsApp circuit someone is being investigated this new bill allows the police to access your WhatsApp and this piece of legislation that went forward last week has been condemned by the law council by all of the relevant bodies means that Julian will be monitored and if they can't get him for what they didn't get him for in London they'll be hunting for him here that's the point I'm making who's died, sorry those in power the government the people that John Shipton spoke of those with power those with malicious intent they are the broad problem we've got it's not a matter of really whether this government we currently have or the next one that we'll have will look at the past they'll seek to profit from the present if they jail me if they succeed in jailing David they'll be they'll be encouraged and so will there be a place on earth where Julian will be safe I mean the real question is are we going to have a better country for him to come back to and that rests with the Australian people please few words, can you come to the mic please I did not put that man up to that but he's put it on me I'm sure I just what happened to have together a few remarks in case one of the speakers at truck there was a backup but I wanted to talk quickly about is why is it so difficult for so many people to support doing research to understand doing research, why is that why is it we aren't in a huge arena with 3,000 people normally and I think one reason is the public doesn't much of the public doesn't understand what's at stake, it's not just the life of Julian so much they take things for granted we take the west things for granted because we were brought up to think and to understand we live in a democracy and we have a free press and we have an independent judiciary and all of these things but we find out that it's not always true we don't always have those things we don't know about this it's just the press in the west which I come out of I've worked up two Murdoch papers Sunday Times of London and the Wall Street Journal and a bunch of other newspapers so I've been on the inside for more than three decades before I began to run I could sort of use the first independent website in history in 1995 they don't report these things number two what they do report about Assange is personal focus his cat various mirrors including supposedly on the walls of the Mekudan embassy so they focus on his personality they make it about him not about what Keem and Work Weeks has revealed why they don't want us to know about what Work Weeks has revealed for example about Iraq, Afghanistan Guantanamo funny enough in 2010 when we had media partners the New York Times O'Piase, Der Stiegel they did report those things one reason I think it's because these were Republican crimes so a liberal media would gladly find something wrong with George Bush as they should have of course when it comes to Democrats committing crimes because let's face it there's a bipartisan consensus in Washington on foreign policy the same aggressive foreign policy does not change yes on domestic issues there might be some change but when it comes to foreign policy there is there unlocks that cannot question it your patriotism is questioned you are smeared as being a scooge of a foreign power if you so much as dare in U.S. policies and as John Schipkin said causing the deaths of so many innocent people in too many countries so Western media tells us that only in countries like Russia and China and Iran, Cuba U.S. in particular saying this is where there's political repression where there's surveillance yeah never in the West happened in the West and I think this is one of the other reasons now why Western people have our time supporting Assange because too many of us identify with our governments identify with our nation we're told we're the best in talking about America right now where I'm from of course it's the exceptional nation there's no country better has ever been better we don't do those things yeah there are mistakes here we don't commit more crimes in the United States don't undermine governments surveil the entire population of the U.S. for met cruditas and invasions if necessary never happened Harold Pinter said even while it's happening it's not happening and here comes Julian Assange to tell everyone it is happening and not from his reporting so much as getting the documents themselves you cannot question them that's why they have a perfect record is every document published it's accurate they weren't on getting sources on background that may or may not have had an axe to grind in some motive they have the documents can't question them and they will not they somebody asked who they was the same they people in power clearly want to get him because of that because they he's set the entire thing that they've created this whole myth that we are exceptional people and we don't do anything and unfortunately Australia takes part in too many of those crimes too that the United States leaves them along unnecessarily don't need the U.S. be your own country have your own independent foreign policy with China have relations with the U.S. and China I think Scott Morris actually wrote that and I'll pet some believe it right now so that I think it's time for people in the west to grow up a little bit and have your own identity you don't have to link yourself to your government to your flag to your nation but to more universal values that apply in every country human values not western values and then we will appreciate and I think people will appreciate if that ever should happen thank you thank you over there they come to the front I think probably we'd all like to hear a statement microphone yeah like I said I'm John Docentos I'm from East evil I'm standing here because I followed this this episode of Mr. Correre Mr. Julia Sands for Justice my country was committed no crime quite yourself stood up and my country today is independent because people believe injustice and the justice has done for my country now I cannot understand why a society like Australia with the laws which is the envy of many many countries have committed a crime in my view protecting Mr. Downer and a man a man that knows the law that he shouldn't drop from the little fellow now I'm afraid that that's not right because I came here as a refugee some years ago in 1975 okay I came here and I'm grateful that I'm here today and I witness a lot of things and I followed the the atrocity that have happened around the world and I'm really really really happy because I got my brothers and sisters here because you people have have stood up for Timo and now I have Mr. Correre standing up for something that he in his job needs to stand up for people to speak to justice you know and Mr. Benat and Mr. Kay are condemned by these people that instead of supporting this man for telling the truth they're supporting one highway robber Mr. Downer now why is that the law protecting criminals and not protecting the people that speak the truth that's all I want to say I just want to make you comment one of the reasons that hasn't been mentioned is that a lot of people love Hillary Clinton so therefore they don't like Julian Assange and I've come across it my brother and sister too they're like that they both told me they don't like him they don't like Julian Assange because Julian Assange helped Trump win the election I just wanted to make that comment because I speak I don't know, it's a comment I don't think she was mentioning that that was a correct statement any other questions I'm sorry I hope the light's just been hot yet just to say thank you to all the organisers thank you to the home tour for Julian we wish this whole event culminated all their energy and work to bring this together and all the work around the various centres just a question to legal mind or perhaps John or even Jacob I was talking to Ian last night and we discussed I understand first of all I'd like to know Julian is held without charge Julian is held in a maximum security prison in the United Kingdom after being refused to be extradited to the United States because the judge said it would be too dangerous for him to go there so that was the reason none of the other issues but anyway I'll get into speech too so he's in a maximum security without charge I'd like to know what's happened to Magna Carter's habeas corpus and also perhaps John or everyone on the team will know about I understand about the appeal by the United States against the magistrates decision on the extradition question but I understood that very almost immediately there was going to be an application no an appeal against the decision not to grant him bail and I haven't been able to hear or find out I understand the appeal process Ian and I, he's written up about it Ian's written up quite well but what's happened to that appeal against at least by or getting him out of Belmarsh while the big appeal is happy does anyone know enough to take that question on John John John do you want to take this one John Hello Roy thanks for coming Dan I gather we're being organised to come up and see you as a group up there you're up there early in the years we're popular good to come, good area great to see you there's a the defence asked for an extension of time which was given until the 29th of March to submit their appeal against the appeal as for a bail application you don't make applications that you think you're going to lose I think there's already been two bail applications but I'm not a lawyer and I don't involve myself in that at all in fact the defence I just have cup of tea with them and say how things are going anything I can do and that's all I just don't involve myself because being in this law system is intricate complex and requires the moulding of law skill knowledge of court practice knowledge of the judges knowledge of the particular court knowledge of the higher court knowledge of the supreme court and the judges that are on the list and so I just say anything you want me to do give us a call sorry it's not very good interview I don't know, thank you I appreciate it thanks I'm the person I haven't seen Julian since March last year I've seen that the jail was locked down because it has a COVID infestation during they expanded the number of phone calls that Julian put me so he can ring me on occasion that's give a team to give me a call I don't know I don't know I don't know on occasion let's give a team to 10 minutes he rings as frequently as he can in general he's interested because this is his home path so as we move flowering down east coast of Australia he likes to hear I guess you could call it gossip you know the news and so on and so forth, and what am I going to do next, and what will I say, and so on. The usual discussions that the family had. And also he likes to ask me about Gabrielle and brothers and sisters and so on. The usual stuff, you know. And just to amuse whenever young, he has an intensity of concentration, although he could be really boggling and charming when he would stand there and listen to him. But he would say, I can't stand the gossip. He just can't stand gossip. You know, I want to learn things. That's all proper discussions. And then after a few years in the embassy, I'd go in a Christian's time and say, what's cooking, you know. Okay, we're coming close to the end, so maybe just one more question. There's a question about two words that perhaps Bernanth might care to answer. One of them is making a suspicious utterance. It's not directly associated with filming, but it is one. In 1950, a man called Shartan was asked by his own friend at the Sydney Day in Canada. In the event of Russian troops entering Australia, what should the response be of Australian people? Of course, Mr. Shartan is dismissed as if it wouldn't happen. Anyway, he was pressed. Then he said, if pursuit of an aggressor, if pursuit of an aggressor, there would be the duty of Australians to support the Soviet troops. But what do you say to three years in a prison? It was just a view. You may want to go in there, but it was a view. So obviously, maybe there is such a thing as a sedition today. Another one concerns a man called Stephen Ripps. He worked here in the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. Anyhow, he was one day holding a newspaper up in the streets of Canberra for sale. Nothing wrong with that. Anyhow, he was pulled in by the people in the Department of Foreign Affairs and they said, you, why were you selling that paper? That paper is wrong. Anyway, Stephen says, well, in what way is it wrong? And they said, that is such a pervasive paper. So anyhow, he was dismissed for his employment. And they asked him also, before he was dismissed, are you a member of the Communist Party? Anyhow, he said, well, yes, he said it's the most legal organization in Australia. A majority of people said that it has the right to exist. And of course, the High Court of Australia said it had the right to exist. So anyway, he employed an eminent QC from South Australia. Anyway, ASIO took 40, and of course they lost. But what it came down to was what is its subversion? What is its sedition? It may be a burden that you might like to comment on that. Well, those are... There's an eminent retired government lawyer here, and it's Wilhelm, there's a couple of other lawyers. But we know that when the Foreign Interference Bill was introduced, the words for version, the offensive subversion, and the offensive interfering was given new life. Sedition is alive and well now. It's waiting. And it's one of the reasons why I responded to the question in front of me as to what Julian's going to do when he gets back. Because the criminal code now has all embracing provisions relating to this version, Foreign Interference. All lawyers are now at great risk because in this town, and there are more than 20,000 people working in the intelligence agencies, if any of them have a work-related grievance, and as many public servants do, they will bring papers to your office. They will drop it in reception before their appointment. You can be prosecuted for the mere possession and control of those papers, even if you haven't opened them. And so I gave a talk to the Law Society last year about the significance for lawyers at the moment of the sedition and other provisions that now exist in the Commonwealth criminal code. So that's all alive and well now, which means that the necessity for good internal control of our agencies is absolutely vital and why the legal profession in the last week has so trenchantly criticised the bill that the Australian Federal Police and the acting attorney last week introduced because those bills reduce the power of internal control and give decision-making to senior police officials and don't give decision-making to experienced judges, leave decision-making with, and I regret to say, the greatly affected Ministry of Appeals tribunal. So the risks in our community at the moment, although the whole ASIO thing and whether at the moment they would be doing a due diligence on David's dog, they were the jokes of the Communist era, reds under the bed, but the significance of the lawmaking in the recent, since 9-11, is that all of those excesses that were unlawful, ASIO searches and bedroom searches were unlawful in the reds under the bed days, they're lawful now. It could be open slather if this form of government continues much longer in this country. Democracy and rule of law are seriously eroded and are seriously at risk. Thank you, Bernard, for those very depressing words. Just before we finish, I've got one last brief speak to Louise about the ongoing efforts to tomorrow. She's just going to have her... Thanks. I'm Louise Vera from Canberra for Assange. I had a few things written out, but I lived it at home, so I have to sort of quickly remember. Two main things. People always say, what do we do from here? And I know I'm mainly preaching to the converted, but over the last few weeks, we've had such an influx of people joining Canberra for Assange with now 410 members, which is just fantastic. I heard this bloke called John Shipton was turning up in Canberra, so they all jumped on. Anyway, look, there's a table over there, and as well as the incredible book, Secret Australia, I've got some leaflets, and on the leaflets there's the contact numbers for myself and Facebook and all that kind of thing. And also the link for Australian... Oh, sorry. Assange Freedom Network. So that brings me to what do we do? Not everyone in Canberra will come out and protest. Everyone's quite scary about that, and I think it's because they're probably most of the public servants, and they don't want the work people to see them in the protest. But writing letters is something we can do. We do that productively every week. The leaflet has an example letter that you can use. I can send it to you electronically. Look, if everyone here wrote a letter a day, imagine the impact that could make just a letter a day. The other thing I'll quickly say is, what do we read? Because people say to me, well, how do you get this information? And that's a really good question, because we cannot rely on our mainstream press anymore. And I don't need to talk about murder, but I will just mention even the ABC is getting, you know, more and more controlled and less and less trustworthy. Look, as a group and the Freedom Network, and we have an amazing wealth of incredibly professionally written articles from all over the world that you can access. If you don't know stuff, you really need to start reading that alternative news. And can I please also recommend to you tonight Consortia News, who are here tonight filming. Consortia News. It was the first online news agency that we could call them, Alternative, because they came from mainstream, and mainstream failed them. And so that's the sort of thing that we need to start looking at. In Australia, look, it's got a paywall, but subscribe to crikey.com. Please don't watch Channel 7 and 9, and the ABC exclusively. Well, I mean, you can watch them, just to see what bastards are up to, but then actually consult with decent, informative stuff. I don't know whether you realise, but Consortia News were one of the news outlets that was allowed to be online to the court during all of the hearings that Julian had. There are a couple of other people. Kevin Costola. Kevin Costola, who's in Craig Murray. Caitlin Johnston. Caitlin Johnston from, oh no, Caitlin wasn't sorry. Mary Costacatus. Mary Costacatus, yes. So that's what we need to do. We need to do our research. We need to read really well-written, professionally written material from all these incredibly talented lawyers, doctors, journalists, you know. And you'll hear in the mainstream media that people like that will be accused of being conspiracy theorists. And that's because they are so threatened by intelligent, informed, principled information. And if anything, intelligent, informed, principled information is not what your government wants you to have. Okay, I wasn't going to mention tomorrow. I really think someone else should do that because I don't remember their details. I don't think you could. Oh, Jacob, please, yes. Please take a leaflet. And please, if you're new to Canberra Sange, I know we've got these wonderful friends from Sydney and Victoria. But if you're new and you're one of the people that contacted me, please remember I don't know you. So please make yourself known. Or grab a leaflet, contact me later. Okay, thank you. Oh, sorry, Pete. A piece of paper there for email. I'm sorry, I forgot to mention. Other people who work together in doing incredible things in Canberra is our wage piece. And also IPAN, which is the, please help me, International... Sorry, Independent... Peaceful Australia Network. Peaceful Australia Network. And Catherine Kelly's here tonight. And they are the people who've been organising the presence at the court, both for David and for Bernard. So that's something that is a really good thing to do as well. And now I'll hand over to Jacob, please, who'll tell us about tomorrow. No, no worries. Do you want it? I don't mind. Basically, tomorrow. All again, but even more so, the friends of David Wilkie and Peter Wish Wilson, so you've got the friends, the parliamentary friends, you'll be able to answer that gentleman's question. 9.30 tomorrow, outside Parliament House. Show the buggers what we think that Julian should come home and we should actually stop prosecuting whistleblowers. And before that, is for those who get up early, before that starting at 8 o'clock. Yes, the Kings Avenue end of Parliament House. And the other thing to do, by copy of the book and or donate. It costs real money to get things like this together. And so if you can provide some real money, it will mean that the next step of home run for a sound can make its home run and end up with the home run of Julian coming home. Thank you all very much for your support. Can we get Bernard? 8 o'clock. State Circle. Kings Avenue. Alright, so anyone feel up to it, help us put some flags up, make some noise, make some colour to welcome to Polly's to work on a Monday morning. Melbourne Avenue would kind of be better, but it was publicised as Kings Avenue is why I said Kings Avenue because that was what was in the Facebook. Sorry. The women's march. So you can go to the Bring Julian Home rally then go up to Parliament House and have a cup of coffee and come out to the women's march. I think that would be an excellent thing to do tomorrow morning. And it stopped raining so it will work really, really well. And hopefully I'll see what's of you there. There is a little bit of food left over so please grab what you want and let me know what you think. Alright. Thank you. Good morning. Hello. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. So what do we do? What do we do? I just used to be a woman with a good face