 Halo, and thank you for keeping us company. This is why in the morning many misderiva hila. We are now moving to a discussion. We want to look at the budget allocation for this year, 2020-2021 budget allocation. A few things that we didn't expect will be happening or coming from last year the budget allocation. Things have changed or things haven't changed with what worked for us, what didn't work for us. Wajima na wakini msupakawa kwa COVID-19 wa yu mkutunzho mahali yu mkutuni Wa akita mwakini kwa Mastikiau waka man squidi Sobeli chema wa mwakini waka nagini hendera Wajima na kwa mahali yu mkutuni Wajima na wakini mwakini waka kwa COVID-19 Mwakini waka kwa jama modu Wakili mehwakini mwakini, ya kwa wakini mwakini Mwa tbiyo moha mwakini mahali Wajima na mwakini mwakini Just a reminder last year when the former cabinet secretary for treasury rotate said acknowledge that the economy does face challenges which he listed a few of the problems and he said creating an enabling environment for business particularly for the micro, small and medium enterprise in order to accelerate the growth of our economy and create more jobs for our users, one of the concerns and they need to be prudent and efficient in our spending. They need to mobilize domestic resources to fund priority projects and programs. There was also concerning the need to reduce our fiscal deficit in order to stabilize and reduce our debt and they need to implement reforms that will enhance our efficiency and make us more competitive. I don't know whether some of these things were answered to the last year's budget allocations, speak to us and send us your comments or questions to all our social media platforms at Y254 channel on Twitter, Y254 channel on Facebook and Instagram. My guest this morning is Job Mogira research analyst. Keep us company. Good morning. Good morning Hilary, how are you? We are three days shy of 90 days since coronavirus. We have seen businesses closing down. We have seen people losing their jobs. I've heard of a big hotel that has been so recently, I don't know how many more are on the line to do this and we have seen the government coming up trying to say we will support, we will support. We had the aid stimulus point to help cushion some of the canyons because we can't reach everyone of course, but now we have a budget that is coming up soon. There have been heirs here and there. We have seen, we have heard of the members of parliament complaining like the CDF and just like you were telling me before we began here that is what makes them stand in their villages. Coming from last year, let's begin with the health sector. They were given 40.7 billion shillings for the universal health coverage. Over the weekend we had the president mention that we are written not for some of the limitations we would have de-escalated some of the directives and the measures. Now he gave an example with CI account having 10 beds and 9 are occupied. Yet we had a budget to cater for our health. What is wrong with us or what will be happening moving forward? Well, I think those are so many issues in one statement but we will try to look at them from an objective point. First things first, the budget for this year should have factored in the corona pandemic in a big way. That's compared to the previous year. One of the things I find that we are doing as a country is sticking to routine even when abnormal things are happening. We are behaving normally and abnormal things are happening. Like now the corona pandemic should have taught us one thing, our health systems. The other day you had Gafanamutua talk about how people fly outside the country but this time round they cannot fly. So if you are really fair as a society we should not be short sighted. We should be at a position to improve our health systems. And look what happens is there is that routine since we were young when the likes of Chris came or finance ministers and carrying of that brief case to parliament. We are doing the same but remember the 2010 constitution gave Kenyans a chance to participate in the budget making process. Unfortunately where we fail as Kenyans and even a majority of the youth is we never contribute to these discussions. So we expect the MPs who we sent to Nairobi to represent us to do everything for us. It's not possible. 290 people or 349 when you hold everybody cannot decide for our country. They can make a decision because they have powers but now the thought process, the cooking of everything, they cannot do that. We need to participate. Last week there was a call for Kenyans to participate in the budget making process. We don't and especially the youth they don't care. But I think kwa na jipanga kujaku hunda memes after budgeting me so much. But before hundaisy memes, wacha kwanza piya tuchangiem jadala. Like now where are we with the allocation for the minister of health? If you look at the allocations for various ministries you would have wished that the health ministry gets more money. And it's not getting more money like over 50 billion for minister of health. No, I would advocate for whatever we call an itemized budget. We are giving you 50 billion shillings in the minister of health. But the BSE committee in parliament should be telling them that 1 billion item 1, 2 billion item 2. Another billion item 3 in that construction of referral hospitals should be itemized in that 1 billion. Recruitment of nurses, recruitment of clinical officers, construction of at least 20 beds instead of 10. But now at times what happens is we say the ministry will have 20 billion. You do whatever you want with it. As long as you've paid the salaries, everything else, they forget about it. Now the auditor general should be doing his audit based on the items that were in the budget. That is we said in the 50 billion, 2 billion should go to construction of referral hospitals. So the ministry of health should show us. Well, they constructed the hospitals worth 2 billion. But now after this corona, I don't want to be a pessimist. But we could be going back to where we were before corona. And now if another corona comes next year, God forbid, it will be chaotic. So I would like maybe to advise the minister for health. It's excellent. I would like to advise the minister for health. We can't afford to behave normally. That's true. Piae kule, make sure budget is implemented normally. It should be implemented abnormally. Speaking of which, they have been given 2 weeks to come up with a clear way and provide 300 beds per county. If they have to have these 300 beds, which hospitals? Do we have those facilities to accommodate 300 beds? And if so, we have had problems with the even machinery, the dispensary. They don't have enough space. We are speaking of social distancing. Do we have enough facilities to stock these 300 beds? Yes and no. Yes in this way. Extraordinary situations call for extraordinary measures. Again, it's an abnormal situation. We can't behave normally. I'll speak about a county that I know. That's Meru where I was born and bred. If you go to Meru level 5 hospital today and you want an extra space to construct 300 beds, it may be at all order. But again, there's an opportunity here. The minister for health said, Kenyans have stopped going to hospitals because they are afraid of coronavirus. With the curfews and so many government regulations, people are not misbehaving like slashing each other's hands or such. So there must be a ward somewhere in Merutown, in Meru General Hospital, that does not have so many patients like it used to happen before. So now this is an opportunity at least to convert that ward to make sure that we are not admitting malaria. People with homa, people with pangakats are not coming. Now this is the space, this is what we need to improve to take care of the isolation. And if you in the isolation ward, we do not need so much sophistication. We don't need those reclinic beds or anything. It's a place where we are saying because coronavirus is highly infectious, at least we will keep these people here with the basic needs, like a bed, like food and everything, and also some space for the medical personnel to operate on. And I believe that is possible. Now I am talking about impossibility. Look at the bureaucratic processes of procurement in this country. Now, for us to say we extend, we create a 300 bed facility in Merutown, we need the procurement process that will go, the procurement people will do a proposal maybe to the CEO of Meru General Hospital, the CEO will take it to the board, the board will take it maybe to the governor for the allocation. Once the money is allocated, it will come from Mifmis. That's another process. So we are talking about like at least 60 days. So if we need 30 days to have a 300 bed facility, first of all the tender to get a contractor to do the hospital and such, you have to advertise in two weeks, then there is the bid opening, which may take another two weeks, then there is allocation or awarding of the tender, then there is financing of the tender. So 30 days. Is this what Honorable Moteika is saying? We don't have to behave now normally. Exactly. These bureaucracies have to end? We have to end those bureaucracies. And I always say this, when we are talking about integrity and prudent financial management, like today you will be required to advertise a tender for 40 days before it's awarded. But now here, I believe you can seek express authority in the ministry of health or from the ministry, from the treasury and tell them because of the abnormal circumstances that we are operating in, please allow us to do this advertisement for seven days. When it comes to bids opening, you can have concurrent events. You don't have to open tenders today, meet tomorrow to evaluate. The day after travel to Naivasha to open the tender boxes, we are operating in abnormal situations. Let people sit from morning to midnight. Finish opening of the tenders and everything. When the contractor comes to site, get a contractor who can hire as many people as possible, work that could be done in 40 days, let it be done in 7 days. We have to behave abnormally because if we continue with our normal behaviors, including procurement, as long as we do not flout the laws and then again what you are doing can be seen. Sometimes I believe if you flout a procurement law like it was supposed to be 40 days, but today did it in 7 days. After backup, there are circumstances that led you to 7 days. But now make sure the money is used prudently. So maybe someone takes you to court, they are not questioning that the building is in place. They are questioning your 40 days. Now the case will be 40 days versus 7 days. Have some backup documents, how you sought the authorities to do all those things and whether the authorities are approved and such. That's true. Now in reference to what the governor of Machakus Mutua said that now people are not flying abroad, they will be treated here. Let's speak about post COVID-19. We have those 300 beds in our counties assuming they are now here. Will we still have them after COVID-19 or we have cases where some of the facilities that have been set aside like they are using schools and some spaces here and there. Will they be transformed to be a clear ward where people now will be saying we have this hospital and it's well functioning, we have enough capacity. Namba 1, if a school is a solution center, it cannot become a hospital after Corona because of the titling of the land, that land does not belong to the minister of health. It belongs to minister of education, maybe through the schools or some community somewhere. So after the pandemic and I'm talking about after the intense because we are likely to stay for long with it. We cannot say that people will stop flying but human beings operate with incentives. I've looked at the budget estimates that will be presented on Thursday. And one of the things I have liked is there is a 200 million allocation to Moai Teaching and Referral Hospital to build a cardiac lab. So if people here used to go to India for cardiac related ailments, then we are providing an alternative for the people to go now to Moai Teaching and Referral Hospital because now we have a fully equipped lab. And I would also like to encourage these guys who travel abroad. It's crazy. Zoom. We are doctors in India. So, when we are working in Kedogo, the way people travel abroad. But now the government is working with alternatives. So like that one in Moai University, we have 200 million shillings allocation. Now this budget, a good budget we normally see, it has timelines. You can say we have budgeted 10 million for Hillary. And then we don't give you timelines to do. If we are budgeting you money to buy something, we should give you the timelines. When we should come back and check whether you did it. Now these 200 million for a cardiac lab as early as yesterday, the management of Moai Teaching and Referral Hospital. Your budget to keep it ishopaliment next week. They should start the process of building the cardiac lab. So that in one year, the lab is in place. During next year, they can request to build something else. But we may find ourselves in a situation where this story badu aijanini. But now about flying outside the country, I don't think as a country. And we all know this. We don't need to fly out. Why do we fly out? We fly out because we don't trust our systems. But we can create trust in our systems. Some of the minds that treat people who move outside the country are Kenyans. Kenyans doctors in Australia, in Europe, in India and such. I know of a hospital in Kenya that is treating people using India doctors, but online. You just consult your doctor in India. You pay the consultancy there. And then you are treated here. We need to make healthcare the best thing that this country can be proud of. Otherwise, we will not have learnt much from. Alright. There was a concern about last year there was a concern about caring for the youth and ensuring that they are being catered for. We are speaking of the Ministry of Sports. We are speaking about the Ministry of IT. We are speaking about and the youth affairs. Every ministry that involves the young people. Do you think moving from last year to this point the youth have been cared enough? And I have had conversations here the youth want just to share the cake and now youth want to participate in the baking. What would you make of that? I want to dispel one notion but they are my youth. That's an endeavor. Padus Jagonga 35. There is this notion that if you go and challenge a youth full person to do one, two, three nowadays and I am so passionate about the youth. I have caught so many of them. I have talked to them in my personal capacity. I have written so much about issues that the youth should consider. And one of my articles that I call the fallacy of modern day role model. You can find it online or any viewer who is interested can ask for the link after this. I will send to you, you share with them. The fallacy is this. The youths want to become rich. They have role models who are rich. How did this person become rich? Right. So they are looking at someone who was 21 who was 25 by 28, this person has everything. 5 houses, 3 cars and all those things. Now so many of the youths start desiring to possess that but they don't ask them what's the process of making this person get all this. Now in my fallacy of modern day role models I am talking about the admiration of the wrong people. People I am calling in that article thieves and I have presented reasons why I think they are thieves. Now Saizi if you tell me to approximate to you I have done enough research our youth should be progressing in a normal circumstance. I ignore the abnormal things. What you call in economics holding all factors constant. There is a cycle that the youth should follow. The government is presenting manis to help the youth but it's clear no one will come when I was 35 so Shikai do yagawa it's not like that. It will never happen. The government has allocated millions I have seen billions for university education and that is one way of helping the youth. If you admitted to the university with us C plus the government is taking care of some amount the government has money for vocational training and I am very happy because the CES for education nowadays is a youthful person who understands and I saw him in one of the polytechnics in my village and I was very happy these are youth who are standing here showing the youth that no matter the level of the institution that you are studying in we have opportunities for you and we have these and these for you but one of my youths ok I am not doing anything against the memes ah so are memes wakotu mahali wa meji ficha but what should we be talking about now we have studied the economy of Kenya unemployment rates are going high but here I will tell you guys are struggling they are not enough fundies and sometimes we need to experiment we need to find a plan for the size of this call 99% chance we need to find a job we need to find a job we need to find a job we need to find an electrician we need to find a job we need to find a job we need to find a fund we need to find a job now this one is a gap over sector that is not fully it doesn't have enough labour force but the youths wakotu mahali wa meji ficha we need to find a job we need to find a job we need to find a job we need to find a job we need to find a job we need to find a job we need to do research on so many areas but I will tell you I would say that God forbid if even a thing happen and we would see a job we need to find a welding we need an electrician we need to find a job and I will hand that is what matters I will use my economics my skills in research to convert my welding ya chasa hile kuchika, jusiza zoya kuchika hile kitu ya kuchoma ilia but my well-did business will drive but first of all for it to drive I must be a welder so the youths, awa takiyo maneno wa nango jagavai kujeku wasa idea iwasa idea na jobs the job market is flooded we know so let the youths watch our chanuke kidogo let them try those hard jobs but those who have degrees and are diplomas and such should now leverage on their degrees and the knowledge they have to make their businesses succeed. What do you attribute to these mere ignorancies? Is it about an attitude? Is it lack of skills? What is it that we are not so much exposed and the opportunities that are not there? Mayuza tuchukui? Ni attitude. Attitude mba ya sana. The people we are admiring, the people we are admiring to metengenezaile attitude, tunataka tutu oni ma liya, we want to get their money and as I said, hawa jui, hawa jui, how this person reached there. Now, if you go challenging the youths to participate, they will tell you aiyo to mezoia. Gava itafanya. In Nairobi, there is a time sikuwa na job, and I had a family, and I had to feed the family. I was a graduate, lakin nili kuwa kinyozi. We want to get money. Ni kuwa na idea vi tu mahali kamukunzi huku na kuja, nili kuwa ni menunuakasuti before ni giyokazi ishe kwanza. So, I could do all those manual jobs. Ni mendeisha taxi. Onamka 4am, baisambili, wewkona da umbilia kukonfuku. But now the youths, the youths wa na kuwa na kutoka 9, wa na wkona da umbilia, they don't know how you got it. Watcha to change attitude. To do a number one, the normal white collar jobs is not the best way to go now. But there is so much opportunity in these other sectors, the semi-formal sectors, to change your attitude. Nukiski akuna contribution mahali, public participation mahali. It's us to change this nation. We can't expect the 349 MPs to do everything for us. We can't wait to change the budget. Let the youths come. Watcha wa letizu mimu kwa yu omkutano. Actually, another question would be, yu platform yu kwa api? Kwa wana takapabili, kwa api? Mayutsa wa sumagi gazeti, wa na suma mimsu, senyukweli. Youths wa tasaizi, wa ko WhatsApp, wa ko Facebook. Very few on Twitter. We can't wait to change the budget. We can't wait to change the budget. There is an advertised public participation on so many issues. I've seen them. Even in Mera, calling us to come and participate in this. It's a constitutional provision that for every government project, there is public participation. If you look at the allocation the treasury this year, the biggest itemized thing in that budget is so many billions I can't remember the exact figure for public participation. See? But youths, sometimes tu napeha kwa kachahi kule wuki henda kwa mi ni. So, unezakuwa we ni youth wuki nanja wu meshinda kwa village. Nga nge changia wu kitu. Nga nge henda yu omjada wu changia. Now kule in the process. All right. We'll be taking a very short break for sectors like the education we will talk about sectors like the infrastructure of which the president has been so much interested in this particular area of the infrastructure. So we take a very short break and when we come back, we'll be looking into that and some of your feedbacks in regards to the budget allocation that is our focus this morning. Keep it coming. Right 2-5-4. In T-2021 budget allocation we read on Thursday 11th in parliament and we were just speaking about the youth who are so lazy their work is to make the memes on social media. What else can they do? Send us your comments or your reactions to all our social media platforms Y-254 channel on Facebook and Instagram at Y-254 channel on Twitter. Now Job you were mentioning about something about the youth and just to look back into last year they were allocated 1.7 billion shillings for the SMEs and this is one of the areas they use are have flooded the sector not because of anything but like you were saying depends on where we have come from and how things are in your life and so many youth are in the small scale entrepreneurship. Coming to this year what do you expect will be happening as youth to easy kajizam, jango and joakali and piyaku is a permanent format by the way in Nikazi? So the money for the youth can be accessed we have the youth fund youth enterprise fund we also now have the money that would come directly to the youth through the SMEs. Now in SMEs what you only need to do is prove that you have a good idea and much as I know several banks that do not fund startups then there are other institutions that can fund startups that say you save kidogo kuna pay wata kama ni 20k wuna hanzaka kitu mahali now when the government says we have allocated this money to SMEs this money aiku jagi yabu e SMEs chukuen easy pay some party ema youths no there is what we call policies and one of the things is now there is the minimum reserve that the banks should have with the central bank so when the central bank has this money like even people saw it during corona time people were excused for 3 months from not paying their loans which means so many banks could have a challenge of meeting the minimum reserves but now because the central bank has some money somewhere it will help the banks to bridge that gap and that is what happens with the SMEs money that the SMEs those small businesses can access loans from other small businesses but the central bank using the money allocated by treasury can cushion those small lenders now for you to benefit from SMEs again you need to have an enterprise and an enterprise enterprise does not have to be big I don't want to speak like a motivational speaker when you want to say I want to say I don't want to do that way maybe what I would like to encourage the youth is identify someone who you know as a business that is that is approach by the way how much did you start with to skuja kukuan the stories appear to kwa sumavitu za wongo to kwa foatiliya some one still 7 million from petrol station somewhere the story is published and so has been arrested 5 years down the line the person has a very big taxis business and then the person is invited as a motivational speaker how I started my business from scratch then you forget this person was arrested for stealing 7 million and she manuva their way out until now now to avoid here then to sikuwa of ambitias youth certificate you will start a business today before you are driving no when times are tough the business of man is to survive before you start living for most people who do not have any inheritance before they started living there is a time they survived now that is what most youths should be looking at what is your budget for food it's maybe 100 shillings per day is this business giving you 100 shillings per day after you remove all the expenses then you are doing well with time and then the youths that are in business let them support those who are not in business and it's not through money no, ideas and motivation because mistaken youths leona nda kwa na job kwa na kabiashara and then you come expecting job will give you money it's a bad mentality my friend and most relationships die when money comes in so the youths should approach people who have businesses to learn from them infakti tisha wom saya kwa na biashara mahali mu tisha internship na da moja how you open, how you close then you told me you told me 5k kwa na to kapu kwa na ka motivation niki pata 5k na isa anza kakitu mahali then keep in touch with that guy for inspiration read, see some memes perke read, read now I say what memes pier they have a very good opportunity it's only some of them do not know how to exploit it let them talk to those guys who have done memes before and now they are doing well now I say when I succeed what I mentioned Magina wasiku e like kwa me brag because another bad culture we have in Kenya is where a youth does something kisha fani kiwa weves asa nihivo kuna pandabey you don't mentor the young ones and then I believe if first of all we start by changing the attitude the youths will be able to access all these things that the government is allocating to them but one of the things they have to understand is nothing that the government has allocated for the youths in the budget that will be given directly to the youths now the youths should look for the opportunities where these money for the government is trickling down to them alright let's move to you have broadly spoken about the youth and how they can seizure the opportunities that are out here and I think if you are out there and you're going to take it by the horns and do something about it now let's move to infrastructure this is an area the president has had an interest in from transportation having good roads and I remember the last time we had a discussion about the food security we talked about good roads we are speaking about if I have a business can I move my goods to this particular place this is one of the area I'm sure even this time round for that do you think Kenya is doing well in its infrastructure or sector well from now now I'll speak like I'm an economist and the government has invited me to give the way they did last weekend we've given our opinions to advise them on the infrastructural allocations to the budget for this year Hillary I will go for a very simple thing in the 2020 2021 financial year the budget that we are looking out for is a budget that will bring about economic development and not economic growth and I believe one of the things that we will read we will learn from corona is economic growth is not that very important what matters most is economic development and maybe for someone who is not an economist they may wonder where the difference is but economic growth simply means the production in Kenya of goods and services has increased so if our GDP was 10 million in 2021 we do 11 million then that is economic growth but now in economic development we mean how are the lives of people getting transformed is access to health care are more people healthy because of access to health care another economic development are literacy levels increasing because of an improved education system can people access food easily because of economic development now economic growth sometimes informs economic development but not always so on infrastructure I would say the president has a track record that one we can give it to him that he has done so many tremendous projects that could have transformed lives but now to cushion Kenyans from more borrowing I would allocate very little for infrastructure in the market and concentrate more on economic development projects that will change the lives of people like if you build a road from Isolo to Moyale now the population it's a good idea but my thinking here is let's build a basic road between Isolo and Moyale that can transport people to another point but these big projects with interchange underpass, overpass those capital intensive in the coming year we should reduce them and concentrate more on projects that will bring about economic development if it's education we already have CBC there is money allocated for classrooms but now how does this money make development does the pass down there feel about it does the pass on there get to benefit from the allocations in the minister of education but because of more classrooms and conducive environment the literacy levels go up then that is economic development so on infrastructure the government should concentrate maybe on basic infrastructures those ambitious projects let's keep them aside for this financial year we see what the pandemic will bring us to and then maybe in the next financial year as the president is exiting is a final year then now we can concentrate maybe on one capital project again depending again on how the pandemic will have taken us but my thinking now infrastructural projects we will work on things that will help if we could just mention a few of the things we have the Lamu Port we have the Kisumu Port we have the SGR and now we have the Nyivasha Inland which is through the SGR and I want to quote some of the outcries of the people out here and these are the track drivers why would we have good roads for transportation but we can't use them right now things are going through the SGR and we are hoping it will move to Kisumu we have complaints of these drivers we have good roads ok but we are not using them we have what we call a short term medium term and long term goals in economic planning now in the short term track drivers will be affected in the medium term they could still be affected but in the long term they may want to appreciate because if you look at a project like SGR of course in the medium term and the short term some towns like Voi Makindu ya Mali those towns that used to be stopovers for those tracks will be affected but Hillary if you count the number of tracks we have in 2020 is maybe 1000 our population in Kenya is 47 million in the next 10 years this population will have gone up when the population goes up even the population of tracks will have gone up the cargo that is being transported will also have gone up and that is why now people will start appreciating the SGR the SGR though it's a government project it's like a business when you're starting a new business you need a lot of capital the first year you may make losses because you may keep correcting where things are not so good you may also lose some stock and you want to revamp again but now when you stabilize you get your clientele and the population may be in the area where you have your business is growing come out and you will be here when you will benefit so some projects like look like they were a waste of time at this point but in my opinion that's not the case it's only in the short term in the medium term things will change in the long term in fact someone like me who may become president in 20 something in 20, 40, 20, 50 or 20 that is I'll be lucky to be a president of a country that already has an SGR that has the Lamu Pot we can concentrate on other things so we should appreciate those projects much as we are mourning the short term effects the long term effects will be good you have coined your argument although the president would say we are borrowing for us to have this infrastructure and it will be of benefit in years to come it doesn't have to be today but years to come I want us not to move to the other area of which we will have to talk about corruption later because this is one of the I would say it has been a pandemic in our country in regards to the monies that come in and how they are reused but now you had started to talk about the education sector we had the 100% transition this year and we had problems still the schools will reopen by September if that will happen according to the directives and the instructions that were given but still education needs to be supported in this country from the low grades but that allocation will go to these areas but will the least fortunate person in this country benefit definitely yes and I like thinking about it this way if you take your kid to a private school the school fees will be like maybe 20,000 Patam those are estimations if you take the same kid to a public school maybe fees will be even 500 and that one goes to books and such this kid will not eat food in school because it's a public school they may not even have that personalized whatever but they will have access to 70% of the necessary materials kashule they will have access to we are talking about books and teachers now what so many people forget is that the 20,000 versus the 500 someone is taking care of the 19,000 now remove the 30% that I told you maybe it costs 10,000 on a normal day someone has taken care of 9,000 if you go to colleges the same if you are sponsored by the government it's always cheaper so that is how government supports education but now this education we are talking about education it's important to convert education into money and that's my point it's a new quality we are talking about education but we are talking about education but now it could be true but simply in a condition of life it's not enough but what is education education is a great day education is what remains is what remains in your head where after you leave school and those exams so 2001 here in history my friend education is what you are doing and your character now is what determines whether you are schooled or not and these are locations for the minister of education I personally support them about a 100% transition every project it can answer so we should also not be those people who are not very cautious about projects again at the government say 100% transition and we expect it to be seamless if it's seamless then you are not a good society kuna kitututaku wa tuki fake mahali na tuki pika if the data is cooked to ambient it was successful so we should also be accommodative as a society that a project like a 100% transition will have some challenges now what we should keep is a track record of the challenges so that in the budget allocation where I am saying we should not behave normally if we had a budget for 100% transition in 2018 now when the minister for treasure is presenting the budget estimates for 2020 asipati e serikali 1080 asipati e minister of education another 10 million for 100% transition no by the time one year is over it should get a report that these were the challenges and one of the challenges is lack of desks in schools so the budget allocation should not be 10 million to the minister of education no it should be 10 million it should be itemized because again to keep the stress down so we should be aware of how we do our budgets as if we are informed with research what is the language sector to manage a member of corruption this has been the question this has been the problem every project of the government that comes in filania li kula pesa filania mefania hivi I have always asked this did it mean everyone who was elected to office and appointed to the office was corrupt well hila re I will ask q or request you that the next show we are doing here we do it on corruption and how bad it is but because it's a question for today and in relationship to the budget reading that is happening on Thursday remember we are paying 904 billion which is almost a third of our budget to cater for public debt and the question out there is why do we have to borrow this much now even to the youths who are watching I'd like to tell them deni simbaya infact wanaumeni madeni all the people in this country wanaumeni madeni and those people who fear debts when they succeed ok when they succeed but when you succeed when you value debt now she dare debt I would like to use maybe the example of her help a guy is given help you buy a laptop you start those online jobs that debt is worth it my friend he says that he has a bigger laptop a faster one but when you give him help it's not fair it's not fair when you give him help he will say freedom is coming tomorrow he will give you freedom he will give you money exactly after one week you are broke to you you should go and tell help next semester you take help because when you give him help then you are wasting now if I was the president today would I borrow would I enter into debt yes nita kopa my friend da kopa china da kopa america da kopa sweden but now the problem we have in this country and what will kill us kopa 50 billion kutjenga dika road dika road inna fa yanze chiromu dika hukodel monthe kutja budget inna slashiva dika road inna fika kasarani what is that what nonsense is that we should stop that and if we really want to make value out of our debts then we should put these debts into the right channels I believe Kenya does not need kukopa sana. We produce enough, we can feed our people, we can run our economy with very minimum debt. If and only if we were not wasting this money through corruption. You asked a very good question. Does it mean that every person who we elected is corrupt? And I'll say power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Now if I will not speak, I have done research on governance on some issues and I will not quote that research today. I will quote what some MPs and sub governors who are MPs have said. We have to pay 10k for the parliament. It's in the public domain. It remains me of the sugar scandal. Exactly. So now, how do we make laws in this nation? MPs or takuja, they want to pass a certain law, then we end up paying 10k. We have to pay 100k just to say aye. We have to speak and support your motion. We have to pay 100k. We have to say no, you don't support 100k. Then when you want to say 90k you have to pay 10k. So what happens? Five of the 10 refusing what I came to Shalooz. So the easiest way, what you say aye? So that I get the money. And now what happens with time? And even people work in corrupt environments. And the auditor general when I say corrupt I am talking about all offices that the auditor general has raised queries. about their expenditures. If you work in a corrupt environment, the influence is very high. So MPs, maybe like at Wally Elektoa, all of them are not corrupt. What we should be asking ourselves is, is parliament that corrupt, that most MPs who even went, they are even reverends. What about reverend one night? Never, Bishop, we have to wait. Ya, kuna kua, so lambda kuna corruption parliament, or the corruption, of course there is corruption in parliament. Maybe it's on very high levels that even those guys are getting swallowed in. Ya, absolute corruption. Alright, thank you so much. A job for coming and all your ideas, especially speaking to the youth, tuwachana na arti chudumbaya kaziote nikazi as long as ina leta unga. Thank you back home for keeping us company. We were talking about the budget allocation and we were trying to look into things, how things are and how things should be and how they would be in the recent, or in a few days to come. My name is Narewa Hilawe. I'll be seeing you again later in the day. Keep it OI 254. Good morning.