 Flooming to create it with my my very age, but we ought to go are we I think safe to say yes and we're a part of the this has got to be the Wonder Woman 84 arc now right for you fat related videos in a row EFAP 84 it's just it's the talk of the town good old Wonder Woman yeah people shut up about all I mean EFAP is the talk of the town we are you know everybody loves us definitely EFAP 84 that's really our problem we've got too many fans too many people who understand all our positions clearly what even is EFAP 84 I have curiosity so the work maybe there's just a cursed thing that applies to your content when you name it something to do with 84 like it just it'll either be a message about terrible times or be a terrible time you know it's what can you do Wonder Woman was a wonderful terrible time yeah I enjoyed making fun of both of these terrible films and now I'll enjoy making fun of the people who don't make fun of it well in famous ranks everyone's you know allowed to have their reactions to stuff and making fun of someone for enjoying a rape scene is just you know that's just mean it's not rape it's implied rape oh thank goodness yeah the world is saved thanks to him fluffy drink sweet everything is functioning everything is well in the world there she is looking sad that's that's Wonder Woman that hit all time low in the movie in that thumbnail Calel no Calel no Calel why because of your guilt Calel no Calel no she has like anti-emotion I can't even mock her delivery because I end up accidentally putting more emotion in her because I'm just I'm just a living being who emotes when they speak I can't I can't do it I can't deliver it flatly it's difficult you know her robotic nature it's it's what she does it's amazing how are you gonna do efficient impressions if you if you emote right you're fucking it up like no one's gonna know who you're talking about and be like I know the quote but I don't know if they don't have any expressions for an impression then they'll be like oh you're just I don't know a rock you're just a computer simulation like a hologram and Star Trek no even those have personalities and expressions maybe if yeah it doesn't make it easy you accidentally deliver like a well-known quote in a dry or robotic way like I am your father people be like oh are you doing you doing Wonder Woman is that what was fucking drilling holes at half past eight it's happening there are holes that need to be drilled listen you don't understand this serious whole problems pretending like you don't you you're the lucky one that doesn't need to drill holes up you know what's really interesting about drilling holes is that no matter how excited you are it's always boring I agree that's funny it's like a serious problem like there's rats in the wall and he's trying to drill them out oh my god not the most efficient method of violent yeah it's all he knows rats in the walls the only thing we could do is take this drill and drill through the wall to kill him like it's like it's mouse hunt or something it's kind of like when when you're when you're a potter or a sculptor you know and you have a problem you have to solve it relating to what you know they're like you sculpt an axe to kill the rat with that sort of thing some it's pretty cool people use it in stories a lot you know characters just have their abilities like um like a cobbler focus on my tiny mistakes even though I'm amazing intelligent person wow rags I heard you reference spider-verse and last e-fap is I mean you've seen it yes I have seen into the spider-verse and I thought it was pretty good it was really good stuff not as good as homecoming probably would be my number two spider-man in fact I would say it is my number two spider-man you are at the disco about that though like which is the best one then blah blah and I'm like I don't think homecoming just edges into the spider-verse out but I think they both fantastic I love them both spider-verse was really excellent I enjoyed it immensely but what about spider-man two rags oh no what's that oh it's it's the best spider-man movie as a lot of people say oh all right well it must be yeah well that's good so you guys have to see that movie about that that crazy like lady who like flies sometimes and I was like a little Marvel oh I don't think tomorrow as a whip but that's a different lady are you talking about 300 rise of an empire I was not a crazy lady that one yeah show a whip or remember it's weird I everyone remember the movie 300 rise of an empire yeah we always talk about it 300 300 that's classic movie rise of an empire it's that one everyone talks about it stars Sam Worthington Peter met wait a minute like I died in the first one this can't be right maybe it's an ex school ex one Hans Matheson well fine I wonder woman oh yeah I guess I just didn't do well because they didn't make a 3 300 movie a third one didn't make a 303 mm-hmm 303 you know they thought for a second about cooling it 302 and then they're like I don't know it just seems kind of awkward doesn't it you think that actually if you're making a sequel to 300 you caught 301 and one well this isn't a fucking Dalmatian film okay idiot it should be 101 Dalmatians was the sequel called 102 Dalmatians huh the budget for it was 110 million and it made 337 million in total we're needed just like a fuck it why not another yeah I mean we already got a half for the first 50 I mean there's a split in the hairs I figure that a lot of people like you know I'll see 300 more stuff and then you know they watch a bunch of guys slashing the shit out of demons elephants and rhinos you can't call Asians demons malware it's very offensive well you know I even though the Chinese are canonically goblin people I have my opinion you have yours and that's what's so great about the country of EFAP as is mine I used numbers and materials from 300 yeah what's your data 300 so we can worry you recently saw one 284 what did you think of it oh it was a fucking crash fire of a move why would you say that me that perfectly encapsulated how bad 20 was as a year do you mean 84 or many full yeah yeah oh yeah I mean if you have any real strong opinions about the first one you might as well get them out now before we proceed go right ahead well I yeah 84 the first one wasn't that bad liar sorry sorry mate my alarm also went off I oh I said two alarms great oh my goodness is the alarm that goes off where it's like oh it's time to talk about Wonder Woman I was a few seconds early thank goodness you said that one daily like I have to argue with some Randall on Twitter about how bad this fucking is like right like says oh but you're wrong because it made me feel good things like well I do like this film has helped introduce that discussion once again which we're probably gonna go over a little bit you know if it made you feel can it really be bad make me feel miserable when I discussed confusion boredom laughter emotional emptiness suicide what is what's up with what's your picture are you in a shark that's the vtuber stuff don't ask about it yeah don't ask you'll be scared rags will there be a war between the vtubers and the fairies the vtubers have technology on their side and they can like anything yeah I mean I would mind seeing the animation the the movie armies fighting each other I think that could work you know I could see it being really emotionally resonant there those are a shark vtuber is it a shark in a tank you're paying homage to the shark in tank vtuber that well why isn't it called a ctuber I get it thank you um you don't want to see a movie of fairies fighting anything hey flash kids have been making some pretty strong videos in relation to that topic okay I want to see more of it I wish to see how it all ends so I guess to kick off this whole discussion right before we get to because this this is all before the video releases from good old mr. high Tommy's got you got perspectives to share on good old Twitter a favorite location for lots of people all right so this this comes from seemingly nowhere but of course it relates to good old Wonder Woman you have movies aren't about logic and plot that's why I almost never talk about those things they are about emotion and feeling so it feels as though we have a dichotomy a very strange one plot supports feeling in character you can have the most logical plot but if you don't give people a reason to care then what's the point I'd rather watch a flick with 10,000 things that don't make sense that he has in quotations that made me cry then a film that made me feel nothing but made perfect sense yeah this is a broad statement it's just my thoughts at the end of the day after I watch a movie I never left wondering about what it did I'm left thinking about how it made me feel that sounds like that sounds like a whole lot of cope I mean yeah it's the perfect thing to come out it's like wait did you watch a movie that made no fucking sense it's like maybe I did feeling like let me actually save that I can put that in my fucking video I found this tweet way more emotionally resonant than high tops oh let's have a look here what's this this is the single worst thing I've seen all year this is the worst DC movie I've ever seen it's easily one of the worst superhero movies I've ever seen there's movies such fucking insane garbage God damn it I feel like someone has stolen something from me this is pain oh that is what you could call a where's the lie that is a different take compared to high top what films are about right well so films are about emotion and feeling I have that on good authority is that is that a position you would challenge rags or is that something you just let exist oh well as an art destroyer I feel like if people are emotionally tied to something then the destruction is all the more cathartic for me personally get all that I got all the more shodden Freud from the destruction shanfrider the whole like desire to separate the line of like what it made you feel and what it was is like something we are very invested in so when someone says yo I know it didn't make sense but I really liked it we're like oh that's fine yeah that's fine I'm moving on they'll be like no no no you said that it was bad though it's like oh but it is it doesn't make any fucking sense so it like this is just a confusion at the ground level I think and I find that the conversation is able to move on once we get some references so if he's in a call and he's like I think just right was the best example for this when you start to cite things in the movie that made you feel good if you cite ours the costumes like okay I got the sets the music we're all just yeah that's fine it's fine it's like and then they cite something like I don't know a character arc you're like wait wait wait wait what what character say for example oh I loved watching Poe make mistakes and then for Poe to learn from them and become a stronger leader you're like sweet we're getting there so what what are what mistakes and once you get them to like lay out the specific references that made them feel stuff and you're like oh but that's not what happened or that's that's actually like you've given it like a I don't know it criticized him morally because a different character slapped him that's not a very good through line don't you think then they may remain feeling that it was a strong arc but at that point you'd be like but your references kind of kind of all shitty and that's just that's that's the conversation on the ground floor it's fine because if you stuck to stuff like the music made me feel or the actors portrayal of emotion maybe feel regardless of whatever dialogue or passing of events it's like that's fine but how many videos do you even see do that when their whole goal is to try and explain to you what exactly was so meaningful in the film like when do they ever stick to colors costumes and music and that's it those are always those things you just throw in oh I like it cuz I can just throw I can just shotgun those four or five little things on the side and it's just seems like it's so much more substantive than it actually is well you get some people who focus on music and I think they they can do a good job explaining like what about the music is matching or how it's evolved from music is referencing or why music clashing in certain points or lacking all that can do stuff like a lot of people can't but a lot of the time it's just like I like the soundtrack and you're like okay I feel like the soundtrack is a weird point of praise to focus on when the rest of the movie is bad like okay if the soundtrack is good then listen to the soundtrack let's talk about the film well yeah I would always want a good score and a good story then of course it's worth bringing up yeah the score complements the film well the story but the story is bad but the soundtrack is good then I don't know just listen to the soundtrack I wouldn't argue so go can we talk about the writing and it's like a film is more than just the writing maybe like okay but can we talk about the right yeah because I don't want to talk about the fucking costumes yeah I'm right but cool they're fine sure whatever so the things that happen though and it's been highlighted to me that high top this is gonna you guys you guys gonna be so shocked by this when high top doesn't like a piece of content he will cite inconsistencies in the plot oh my goodness I know it is a total it's like good way you must understand he said it's about emotion and feeling not about logic and plot so when he brings up also I guess like there's so many things to say it's like I don't like how much logic is being demonized and it's just funny that I'm in a position to say that I like being on team logic I think we said this earlyisms in any fab times so to give you an example right super emotional movie with lots of different things happening but wait a minute does a does a blah blah blah x 70 y carbine tism bloop hold 32 bullets or 31 I think you know I think it fired one more bullet than it was supposed to be able to in that movie so it's bad that's how they like see sort of what we do when we want to highlight like would character x really choose his his mother over his father when you know we've been sure about when you try and break it all down you're like I don't I don't I don't know they don't see that as like plot hole and logic discussion they see it as character discussion when like all of it is supposed to be through line calls of effects logical like that's that's the origin point for all of it how does it all move on from other things and so because like they always want to demonize it just like oh yeah look all the spaceships fuel doesn't doesn't properly get explained oh no too bad and you're sitting there like I mean I talked about more than just that but all right now and so the whole movies aren't about that thing I'm just like please reference the thing that you're talking about that you made you made you like because obviously we're going to be watching his video today and I can fucking guarantee you he's going to reference something that can be explored by cause and effect he's not simply going to appreciate the colors and the music and don't and whenever you have these film discussions about you know what's important in the movies and what matters and what kind of things you need to be looking for don't ever let people rope you into the idea that humans don't act logically or reasonably humans aren't just these irrationality machines that just lash out and behave in unpredictable ways for no reason at all and when it when people make decisions they might be operating on faulty information or their understanding of the world might be warped or they might not have you know all the they might not have all the pieces together but the way that they act is based off of something and to them it will generally make sense and there's always going to be some kind of a justification for the things people do they might not say them out loud in fact they often don't but everything that you do is for some kind of a reason and logic in a movie it absolutely does relate to that so when you just shrug off and say oh people just do things irrationally sometimes it's like well it's not that simple not that simple at all so don't don't get pulled into that pit don't fight there if you if you you know you need to contest that right on its face and there's this weird uh sort of I guess semantic issue where some people would see they go you know iron man at the end of civil war despite it not being winter soldier's fault he attacks him that's illogical mr oh I like things being logical it's like no it's not wait wait what do you mean because like it's completely you understand why he's making that choice that does follow like the idea that he's not being rational doesn't mean it's not logical writing like there's this the the words start to get tangled and uh you know the one that they always trot out is just because you wouldn't make the decision doesn't mean the character wouldn't just because the the decision isn't necessarily the best thing they can do in the situation doesn't mean they wouldn't do it and they're like this is the the the fuck up you make when you focus on logic too much um when the whole concern is just whether or not the character would make the decision it's um frustrating because you know going with the whole logic thing it's usually pretty pretty useful and helpful so he then gets close to releasing the video very close you see we're following a timeline here oh my god you have really proud and excited to show all show you all the one to one 84 movie video uh rather the spunky all right honest okay that's filmed segments and was a blast to me i'm so excited oh those will be my favorite parts is a film segment because his movies are so amazing and the spunky sections oh yeah i like i really like the spunky sections have about seven more minutes left to edit so it should be live thursday or friday uh i'm sure it'll cause people to dissect every dumb word i say every silly feeling i have in response videos hey look hey hello what we do hooray hello everybody it's technically a stream but okay it'll be a video eventually it's fine uh but hey those will only make me more cash and feed me all the validation and attention i dream about all right okay that's definitely one of those like yeah you do you i guess uh we know that man that's just that was it's just preemptive shit like he's thinking about it already like he did he could just have posted the first pic of him going being proud about wonder woman it's so unnecessary like like he he's preempting the response it's so fucking disingenuous well i think he's possibly trying to try out like reverse psychology if i call out that it's gonna happen then they won't do it right yeah it's like it basically makes them doubt like wait a second if i if i make response videos to this i'm playing right into his hands maybe i shouldn't yeah i would just be like i mean yes high top it will get you more attention but not to use an old phrase here but can't everyone profit from a bad example i think so and so we you know what maybe he profits as well from his own bad example and that means that everyone's happy and so the the smiley face with the shades is very suitable because everyone feels cool and happy because he made a potentially poopy video um and yeah the whole i dissect every dumb word i say every silly feeling i have it's like oh get the wounded animal sort of impression everyone's like oh no hope you're okay yeah yeah yeah you're right that's sympathy shit like so and i think you'll go from the first tweet pretty chill and happy second tweet is like he you know a little bit playful then loveless comes in shouldn't you be the first one to dissect everything you have to say or do you not proofread and redraft and then high tops like why the anger and hostility dude i'm always rewriting editing the videos rewriting shoot the movies we make that's rewriting you know exactly what i meant we're referring to response videos yet you felt the need to be snarky because i like a wonder woman movie like oh no you can tell that because in the second tweet there he talks about how huddle it's just making me more cash just making me yeah it just gives me more attention you're like okay so when people say that people don't generally say that when they're right it's like he walks in the room with a swagger the shades on everything's chill doesn't matter what you do and someone goes hello and he goes the glass exploded like high top in the nutshell right here no it's funny because he said why the anger and hostility but his tweet is the one that's going like so aggressive this is what i mean like he was so ready to pounce he was like i'm totally up chill i'm chill i'm chill they were like oh so um he eventually deleted this tweet i could see the the preview in a discord that's the best i could do i'm sorry wonder why he followed up with you're a writer don't say shit like oh do you not prove freed and redraft to a fellow writer if you want to have people who support your work oh fellow writer i mean oh man so high top is technically a writer yeah he's he's not a writer he's technically a writer he writes things he's made short films what have you done with your life nothing that's what i've made zero shitty short films in my life oh can efab count as short films technically we're in the cast of the efab meme that's an end game that's a good movie consistent characters yay yay more i finished buff season two what do i do now push the rest of them so anyway what a good response though yeah uh yeah here we are that this tweet is fascinated to me like for so many reasons the first of all saying you're a writer the implication being you should know better than to criticize me if you're a writer yeah we writers are smart people we're about to read into is kind of hilarious this got quoted by quite a few people including critical drinker who was not happy to see this he thought it was pretty uh pretty incorrect i think a lot of people do but um don't say shit like or do you not prove freed and redraft to a fellow writer it's like fuck that what do you mean of course yeah like imagine just being a chill call with a bunch of youtubers and you're like oh do you um you know first of all do you write scripts secondly do you do you redraft them and how much do you do them and what kind of process do you use the idea that they're like excuse me don't ask that you should be like oh i'm sorry let me try it out right now hey hey weekend warrior do you do you redraft excuse me bitch what what are you saying right now what what are you talking about oh no how dare you how dare you uh i i mean uh metal do you redraft your streams so fucking rude dude um and then and then to follow with like if you want people who support your work you don't ask these questions it sounds like fucking hollywood like oh you want to you want to question some shit do you want to work in this town ever again is that what you want that's scary shit man look yeah um of course you would have regretted that tweet after everyone was like what the fuck is this uh so they should he was not in a great mood obviously because he was trying to shit to go against the grain of shitting on wonder woman and so this tweet ended up coming out speaking from experience it's much easier to hate on art with an attitude of superiority than it is to empathize with art from a place of understanding fuck off i had fun doing the former in the past but i would really like to avoid that going forward criticize from love criticize from love what a faggot well i just get kind of blown away by this like appeal to everyone's being too mean whenever you want to praise something stop stop making fun of things stop pointing out the problems and things just just like it just enjoy it be love live laugh love it's consistent if he liked wonder woman then he would have liked the the shit ending of wonder woman 84 so yeah it makes sense much easier to hate on art with an attitude of superiority than it's to empathize with art from a place understanding it's especially to be like i used to do this it's like i have i have grown you all should do technically uh whenever we're criticizing we are kind of criticizing from love we're criticizing from a love of writing and we want good writing well that's yeah that's absolutely what i would argue i don't what do you think our barometer is how do you i guess the the first thing to establish is like whenever we have a point of criticism it automatically generates a point of praise theoretically like hey when she grabs a bullet with a fucking whip that shit's insane it doesn't make any sense you're like wait so you're saying it would have been a pro for it to not have that it's like well i guess would be a neutral but a pro would be to use the the whip in a way that's like fucking believable it makes sense and and it's something we know she's capable of while also probably being you know some kind of action-packed sequence it's like that that would be the pro and you're like oh sweet so we've already got us a scale just by highlighting you know the mechanics that made what we saw be something worth commenting on being reversed i guess and that works both ways if you were to highlight something being strong like oh it makes sense the character did blah blah blah and you go wait you saying it wouldn't make it would be bad if it didn't make sense and you're like yes actually yes i am and so um i don't know he there's just this like uh almost parenty attitude like hey the kid's macaroni drawing may have been shit but can we just appreciate where it came from can we understand it it's like macaroni i don't know about you guys but i kind of already got the impression from a lot of filmmakers what they were trying to do when i watched their movies i'm like oh that's what you're going for that's embarrassing actually didn't hightop make a video called titans the worst superhero show well why can't he just yeah he just thinks to be loving and he needs to think with his heart and consider the emotional residents well that's the past though fucking that man and that's the interesting though it doesn't count the interesting part of all of this is acknowledges the acknowledges his character development like peaking from experience he's grown so yeah one could say evolved as a critic he's mature he's mature now guys the the i think the important thing to take away is that whenever he criticizes mc spooderman whenever he criticizes uh the the titan show he's doing that from a place of love and you guys need to get on that drain too i want to know well well because you know he loves spiderman he loves dc and that's why he's criticizing those things see one other people do it they're not doing that and so i saw this on his video people are just going to read the title and dislike shake my head i'm used to it sounds like a shadow thing to say edgy to edgy oh yes well hi top you're in luck that's not what we do exactly not not at all oh my god and yeah um this this is just a little bit more in terms of commentary from from him on his video but that'll be post video at this point you know i suppose now there's nothing much else to do except get into his video other than maybe if if you wanted to talk more about your your your experience with one to one 84 weekend because everyone knows i was so well at this point uh-huh i have so many questions about 84 like who thought this movie was a good idea patty jenkin wow you're not criticizing from love weekend warrior you know what's that about i am i i i love logic and sense did you hold it did you hold a funeral for logic when you finished the film you're like yeah no no he came back when it was over like i wish that logic was in movies when i started watching one to one 84 logic went out for cigarettes he did eventually come back you just yeah he did he felt like it took a while to wish him back and i know i have to renounce my wish because logic and reason in hollywood movies is a lie oh and no good movies are lies i have a question like where did the arm with wasn't her armor in in her apartment how did you get it in the middle in the air yeah like i have a question she was a very good question indeed headaches also if the armor was left in the human world and the amazon's fucked off in amazon land how did the amazons get the armor back right oh they went and got it once once it was all over they fetched it i thought that was so obvious you just see this is kind of nitpicking i can't stand i thought we were going to talk about love forgiveness wishing and wanting and stuff but no it's like oh the armor where was the armor at what point oh i think she obviously flew back to her apartment just to get her armor on and then flew over to the uh little satellite island base only to break the wings off i wonder how people feel about that yeah but because i i guess that armor was a big deal like in the comic universe i would guess i guess so it felt felt important and then she used to like uh at least the wings she only used two minutes maybe just to break them i guess it's to imply that cheetah is stronger than all the armies of the world because they said that the amazons gave away all their armor so they could make like they could use the the armor that they had to make one super suit of armor that could take on all the armies of the world yeah but that was at the time so i imagine the armies of the world at the time it'd be easier to beat them much much easier to beat them than it would be armies today or a super cheetah person she is the most powerful creature on on earth or whatever right i mean that armor was taking anti-aircraft fire oh yeah i mean a little bit um assuming it did hit her yeah rather than she like spun around you know did uh i did not but uh stormtrooper aim maybe well it's funny because she's like blocking bullets with her uh with her like bracers like with her wrists still and the the bracers on the armor don't seem to be made of any different material than the rest of the armor so you're saying it's unnecessary for her to use her braces specifically in that instance it's possibly just like i don't know a reflex sort of uh she's she's used to at this point and she's really good at it the whole thing who doesn't love watching wonder woman like bounce around with her arms aiming at the guns and stuff pretty epic pretty epic what do you think of the opg scene weekend that was i like how they they like nodded as if they had a plan and then it's like oh how did you think that how did you know that like i have a question like that's that's a good question like how do you know first off that how did chris spines character what's his Steve trevor how did he know that wonder woman would pick up on him using the rpg as some sort of momentum machine right and and the funny thing about that whole sequence is that when the when the cars are actually near the kids they they move out of the way so the whole effort of wonder woman was fucking pointless because she told the bad guys would just run over the children arbitrarily it's like i waited until the last second to like break and turn his vehicle to the side well we'll have to have a tent that tense moment rags like just don't just don't run into the children yeah uh i think if it was a video game um he would have launched it and you press x to attach to the rpg and if you don't it would just show the rpg hit the children it'd be like game over and you'd be like why did why why did he do that i have a question for everyone about the ending like do you think that everyone in the world just gave up on their wish or everyone was compelled to tell the truth because of the lasso either way i don't agree with the ending of the move well if everyone is touched by the device and she is touching him with the lasso does that mean that she's touching everyone with it and thus they see the truth and that is the truth is all there is the truth is beautiful whatever the fuck she says and then they're like all right i have my wish in which case it's not meaningful is it because none of them made the actual choice themselves it's not it was just some yeah no go ahead and wash she brainwashed the world right i mean what possible wish could be made it on earth that would be worth keeping we can not one not one i wish i could tear your sandwiches in half my grandma has cancer now fuck my grandma you know like oh well this i have a question and i was like it's her time why don't i like my grandma so the film seems to establish that wishes can make things materialize right but then when someone wishes for a dead person to come back uh what ends up happening is the dead person possesses a living person's body so how many other live like living people suddenly got possessed because a bunch of people around the world their wish was for their dead husband was alive rancis come back to me oh you're in a hunky handsome body i'm not complaining ravish me herald let me turn up the oxygen so you could break my hip why would that help what turn up the oxygen because with breaking your hip i feel that herald i guess i guess now technically herald doesn't need the oxygen because he he's in a in a young handsome he's a hunk yeah he's a hunk now i guess yeah that's him maybe it's for her what if the people that got possessed they made a wish and then they get possessed do the people that now possess their bodies get to make a wish too um it gets complicated because if you've watched the movie i was talking to rags about this i'm not a hundred percent sure but i think steve makes a wish he does he says i like i wish i wasn't handcuffed to you and then pedro pascal like grabs on to him and then steve does some judo move to keep him from being uncuffed what do you mean well because he's handcuffed throughout the whole scene once he's put it on but um he grabs him he says and what what is your wish do you want to be a real boy or something like that so i guess he knows about how does he know about that is there the time where he finds out the situation with steve trevor i can't remember i don't think so no not not that i noticed in the rewatch that i did last night which yeah i had to rewatch this movie last night yeah so that's great well he's like what do you wish for then he goes to strangle him and then steve like looks around and i think it's to do with like the effect of the wish and then he's like wished for combat experience of some kind and then he beats you know max in the fight and he's like i just learned that which is weird because you'd think that the trained soldier would be a bit more like he'd be able to anyway yeah you'd think you'd just be able to beat him anyway yeah which is odd um yeah so the movies are confusing mess um someone in someone as said also the rpg how does because evans even know what an rpg is oh yeah has he ever launched one of those before yeah so he died in like 1918 um he's probably not familiar with rpg sevens you read the manual it's fine and like how they work then again he figured out how to fly a a contemporary aircraft in a matter of seconds basically if he's uh possessing a person's body that means that he possesses their brain which would mean that he possesses their knowledge too right they they didn't okay so handsome man doesn't know how to fly a plane you don't know that handsome man could be a pilot you never know he just he just happened to get the body of a pilot yeah but clearly clearly uh they're going with the whole you have a soul thing or you have some spirit that's part of you you don't remember what you're inhabiting your brain and getting its knowledge is i don't know it's up in the air now we might be discussing the the rules and the mechanics of this movie uh who knows who knows um but i i have this have this feeling that it builds that it might not hold up hmm it might just sort of start to break apart everywhere is everyone in the watch together i am in as a box together oh wait i am i just have i just have one more thought related to what south said about the dead people like uh-huh just a comment since the wish of the us president is for more fucking nuclear weapons and they just appeared out of thin air right how come the dead people don't just come back from where the fuck they were instead of this possessive possess the dead the alive person thing which just complicates the the scene in and not a good way nobody knows why our assumption was that was the cost element where it was like you get your loved one back but they take the life of someone else it's like oh that's interesting just like no the film didn't say that at all he has no idea what you're talking about and you're like oh i don't know why i did it nobody does again the only the only explanation that makes sense is that handsome man wish that he could fuck one woman and the monkey's pot effect was yeah that's when i happened i agree with and then once they released that to the scene the film is clear but i'm sure patty's waiting someone to tweet that out before she'll uh think to do it oh one last question for chat and why did wonder woman get her wish when she didn't say it when everyone else had to say their wish out loud that's another fun story element no it's super powers super wish oh right wish mathy yeah that the film was i mean we shouldn't really complain about that because it means we get less line delivery delivery from gal gadot yeah i wish for stave to return to me kind of no even no steven yes oh yeah another thing why did she leave the party immediately when she was with steve when she was on an important mission that's because you extracted by her loved one remember she has she hasn't been able to love again since he left to 65 years ago cringe yeah what a chad alpha window now like um he's a big dick Batman yeah so uh we can didn't you it wasn't there a bone you had to pick with chat and you were too tired to do it last time is now the best time i am now oh oh now i'm good wow my anger has dissipated so it's fine like chat but i know that we can worry i held something against you all right just know that well not all chat some chat like i i would say a small chat percentage you're all very upset now share it with a class weekend wait what i forgot oh yeah some people go to my comment section just to say that they don't like me on e-fab oh guess what there's yeah you do that for everybody i'm still here yeah don't worry what rags is here and i'm here i think that you're you're safe compared to no it's just funny that yeah i'm gonna go with i'm gonna go with what high top alex says like oh i'm gonna say it in the douchiest the way possible wait what did you say again but hey those will only make me more cash and feed me the validation and attention that dream about yeah so you dream about chat validating you every night don't you yeah i just get a hard on when people will go to my videos and say i don't like you on e-fab dude you have a lot of time on your hands just just to do that good job i don't enjoy your appearance on this podcast maybe you should fucking kill yourself um he is supposed to be here by the way i know he's on the thumbnail mr mr fringy but um he's he's he could be on his way not a hundred percent sure i could be dead you know how it is over there so i need a dr friggled guy falls on her on your face and like earth shatters it's crazy out there it's unfortunate but true yeah um he's currently out of our dimension but you know he could join us at any moment and i'm sure he'd love to comment and he thought the Wonder Woman A4 was excellent right uh yeah his favorite movie of all time i think he said it was kind of wonderful and he made a whole channel to to make a video i say about it and he changed his accent and all of his standards we're gonna check out his video awesome speaking of which is everybody ready i don't think i am but sure how exciting bum bum bum bum yeah hey guys happy whoa just oh hi uh good afternoon hello well if the alex winter holidays were okay here it is you go to the twitter the instagram on a christmas tree um all right let's go back to zero this one watch together always does now whenever i load a video it stops me like three seconds in i think the rest of you get it from zero and it's like why why why why do you pick on me what's what's going on because you ugly why you gotta be so dumb in the first three seconds that the universe is like we can't let all our hear this just go on just carry on oh goody i have to resize the screen again that's a good that's a good comment there wait wait who's what oh that's true yeah 11 year old bruce wane wished for his parents to come back and had to renounce it well uh i i think a lot of people would like that to be addressed so patty i'm sure we'll find a tweet quote tweet it and say that bruce needs to understand that the truth is beautiful his parents are dead it's like all right then you know life can be cruel from bob you long there you go screen fixed everyone beautiful all right i believe you let us jump into this with that preamble in mind with his love of film and stories in mind with the idea that we should probably try and look for the things we love in mind not really let this adventure be gundo let's go guys here hatred yes happy new year hope you're staying safe hope your holidays were great and you got to do the things you love all spending time with those you love speak got spooned a bit on the top of his christmas tree all of this like all of the footage that he ever shoots that i've seen is just like sickly oh it's sickly yes it's like i'm okay you know how you let's you know i have like a parking lot right and like maybe the day after it rains a bunch the rest of the parking lot has dried out but there's still puddles and those puddles have like oil and stuff on them and it's really kind of like nasty and shitty like it's water sure but it's it's it got all that oil and gas and the stuff that just drains out of the out of the parking lot that's kind of what his movies films clips look like they look like a greasy dirty oily puddle and a parking lot in the middle of the sun well are you a filmmaker what would you know i don't know are you a writer because if you were a writer you wouldn't be saying i that's what i feel i i that's what i feel well i will say on behalf of high top i'm sure you'd agree with me we kind of only like the the you know the happy sort of spectrum of feelings the other one the other spectrum the ones with all the sad faces and stuff do you mind just keeping that yourself from no one can you please it's only upsetting okay last thing someone who creates something wants is someone saying yeah i don't like this let's just if anything it's kind of a crime i would say so it's a greasy puddle still have rainbows you have with her shitty rainbows like we have the slick oily surface of a puddle you look at it in the light just the right way and you're like oh that's kind of pretty uh but not really though what i will say is seeing this this doggo in this screenshot oh well this frame here very like i would have been able to guess this was a high top shot i'd be like yeah look at the coloring i think uh tetanus is what his his clip video clips look like they look like tetanus in video form is there any requirement for explanation for that or does everyone follow well you get tetanus from like like stepping on rusty nails and stuff right that's what tetanus is this video is like an infect it's like a this video it's like a rusty nail that infects you sticking out of an old piece of wood from a barn that's dilapidated and derelict that no one's taken care of since it was on grandma's property and after she died nobody wanted to really do anything with it and it's just falling into disrepair it's got weeds growing up the side after she was ruined i mean don't knock on tetanus okay it was enough to kill dean from super natural tetanus tetanus at the end well so you're talking about like a nail uh yeah you can die for tetanus yeah i know just not a satisfying way to die in a narrative i imagine no probably not especially when you know he just dies while stuck on the nail oh man i have not seen the finale super natural i've only heard bad things anyway speaking of people are not going to love wonder woman 1984 i swear to harrah that a good portion of people people on this platform especially are going to f***ing hate it it's only been out a week and they're already saying it makes no logical sense it doesn't take a week to determine whether or not something makes any logical sense you think we need to let this simmer in our brains for a week before we go wait a second you know this whole movie doesn't make any goddamn sense i just i didn't notice that before i'll be honest with you sometimes i'll even say something doesn't make sense like soon after i have experienced it like even seconds even in the real like real time i'll go wait a minute that doesn't make any sense you guys ever experienced that no was that explained oh no it took a really long time for me to watch the rpg scene in this movie and come to the conclusion that doesn't make sense well um maybe maybe what he's talking the charitable interpretation of what he said is is probably like it takes a week for videos to get made on youtube that say that wonder woman is a piece of garbage film that makes no sense maybe that's what he meant but that would be um if he was like it's only been a week and there's already loads of videos saying it makes no sense that's different from people saying it makes no sense right you'd think that's what he would have said if that's what he meant but i don't know i think you misinterpreted what he's saying well choose your words better i guess i have a question so does this also mean that we have to wait a week before saying things are good yes it's or it's only been a week and people are saying it made sense it's crazy from especially are going to f***ing hate it it's only been out a week and they're already saying it makes no logical sense already saying that the plot is silly and dumb they're already saying that the cg is bad that it looks like it's from the 80s they're already saying the characters are cheesy and one note they're already saying it's where's the lie so okay so first off go we go where's the f*** tell me how long week is second off i these are just shotgunning all these points do we need to go through them all or should we just i mean yeah we we we can um it not making any you know for a second the right brain was like why would you need to explain the film doesn't make any sense that's evident it's like well well let's if he says like maybe it's how he qualifies all these things like they're saying all these things and of course you and i being people with brains are like yeah and the reasons for these are that's that's uh they're these things from the film and the movie and they don't make sense because logic is a thing that exists and that's done you know you know i know what he's writing is well but i guess if he's just going to dismiss it and move forwards i don't know yeah maybe he's saying you know it's true but and that's what we're here for what comes after the but i think it's making him to go well it's a comic book movie in response to the people complaining that it's cheesy and unrealistic because you know it is super cringe yes oh yeah i mean i agree i agree i agree mega cringe even i was cringing up the the whole emotional appeal that gal godot makes to max well at the end it's just super cringe like no rag rag he wasn't talking to max well cringe is cringing throughout the entire flying scene in this movie and that's just an emotion resident scene right yeah i think so cringe is when you and you feel like embarrassment and shame for something else yeah it's like um it's like yeah it's like second degree humiliation well not necessarily actually for something else it could also be for for yourself as well like i think other people sadden you cringe or is that just crit like if you cringe at yourself so i see if i do something and i cringe then but that's me cringing at how embarrassing it is it's not the embarrassment itself it's the recognition it's the recognition i this fucking word recognition there we go i keep trying i keep wanting to think recognize and then add an asian to the end like recognition when it's just recognition all right we're gonna get back on track here just have to all right it's one of my problem words it's like niche i think that is niche niche fuck see that's one of my i'll never get it right all right if you're cringing at yourself nothing you are cringing at the like the embarrassment it gives to you because you'd have to be aware of it you know it's like you could be an emotional responsive source yes second hand one yes like you could be embarrassed but you wouldn't never mind it's not important it's really not why i started the important thing i think that you're going to like relisten to this later rags and you're gonna be cringing at all not me i'm gonna be like you know what that dog i don't know who he is but i mean he's got some ideas you wouldn't recognize some ideas you got some ideas well um i think we can all agree one woman 84 is cringe and i'm glad hight top does too cringe you know we agree with some of that a lot of that and i understand all of it it's fine it's all good man there's no point in being mad at someone's emotional response to the art they consumed that's there's no we can stop watching the video now actually entirely reasonable there's no reason to be mad um but that doesn't seem like it followed from so we went from a lot of people are now saying this and is he saying it to calm the audience about his own feelings as in like i'm not mad about that like i'm not i'm not mad that people think it's cringe and shit i'm guessing i guess let me hear that one more time all right being mad at someone's a oh i gotta i gotta back it up a little bit further you gotta all right here we go 30 seconds it's fine it's all good man there's no point in being mad at someone's emotional response to the art they consumed that yeah so i think he's he's saying as much as everybody says that that's fine with him it's fine that you think that i like to say that there's no point in it i agree that there is i i don't agree that there isn't a point to it in being frustrated with everyone's emotional reactions yeah being mad or frustrated with other people's emotional reactions because the the if everybody loves let's say i don't know let me pick a hypothetical show the mandalorian oh if everyone really really loves that show and you want good star wars content i can absolutely see why you would be super frustrated and upset that everybody has the emotional adoration that they do of the show and before anyone flies off the handle it's not the experience itself it is the effects of that experience to come like if someone's like i am happy does this bother you and it's like i mean not in isolation but as a result you will likely generate more of this stuff that i think is fucking garbage so of course that would annoy me um was it is he talking about Pablo Hidalgo feelings or not for sharing no because that's a bizarre thing that i don't even know no no it's what he meant by that exactly it's very weird what uh because nobody agrees with that but not even him but the so uh the the idea then it's like i would see this is why if high top was in the call it'd be interesting i'd be like high top is there ever a time ever if someone has an emotional reaction to media that you have an emotional reaction to in a negative sense like they see and they consume something and they feel something and that annoys you does that ever happen and if it does do you think it's unreasonable every time or do you think that it's actually as you said a point to it because i think there's yeah the results and the the effects that it could have you know if like if you're totally apathetic about the way other people feel first off that's like what is that psychopathy or something um psychopathy or psychopathy is yeah i think you're right yeah i don't know which one it is but like if you have total apathy for other people's emotions that's like that's like a deficient brain like that's not quite how brains normally function well it's a condition you have so if you but it goes into you're supposed to like like what are the rules how am i allowed to feel about other people's emotional responses to things is it only positive is it only approval what if people like things that are horrific should i be all right with that if i wanted to show you um i mean just to pluck one like save and private ryan and with a friend and like you know a lot of the dramatic scenes they just start giggling you'd be like um what are you doing and then and then like you know one of the main characters dies and they just burst out laughing and you're like oh shit and you're like why are you why are you laughing and it's like oh my god it's so fucking hilarious that these people actually did all this stuff or at least something approximating it i have a question yeah you should be like what the fuck like um and i don't think it would be wrong of you to be like yo your emotional reaction to this fucking bizarre and i think you need to like really think about what it is you're laughing at yeah imagine someone laughing at one of the the darkest parts of blight manner um so after listening to high top and what he says about emotion and logic and stuff i ponder this hypothetical you know in science fiction and things about you know things of that nature every once in a while you run into the idea of what if we could like the matrix right what if everyone was in the matrix what their actual actual body was doing was nothing they just sitting in it sitting in a tank of brain fluid or whatever and they were constantly experiencing you know sim you know joy and catharsis and satisfaction into their brains living some fake life that didn't actually you know that wasn't you know wasn't real right and it was very very dare i say emotionally resonant would high top have a problem with that i think if you wanted to try and come across as consistent on this he'd be like you can have whatever reaction you want to anything and then you'd be like really though as like but you like i'm not asking for your permission on what i can feel i'm asking what your opinion is on this question i just asked i'm curious what he'd say and i'm doubly curious how he would elaborate on why he feels how he feels so i guess we'll never know oh man high top you're welcome to come on if you want such a long shot but hey it's fine it's all good man there's no point in being mad at someone's emotional response to the art they consumed that's stupid but i also can't be mad i ain't mad at all i'm the opposite of mad because i kind of thought this move i don't believe you this is like come on someone who puts this much stock into emotional resonance they are not thinking clearly they're not thinking reasonably they're not thinking logically at least as far as someone can't so when he sees everyone else around him hating on this stupid fucking movie i absolutely think that it bothers him emotionally he gets super pissed the second someone's like wait you do you don't redraft the script he's like just because i like what a woman really you're like whoa so i think he's uh what would be the the equivalent for when you're like not protesting too much but but reassuring too much thou doth reassure too much um i'm like i'm not mad i'm not mad i'm not mad i'm not mad i'm so i'm not protesting i think that's just called lying i guess you're right that is kind of a form of protesting in a way like hey but then again i don't know like just the opening of the video being like you can feel whatever you want and that's great because anything else would be stupid you're like hmm people suspicious it's pretty suss dude the art they consume it's like preempting a response right like everyone that would talk about my video it's a doodoo head who's stupid it feels like that doomed that's stupid but i also can't be mad i ain't mad at all i'm the opposite of mad because i kind of thought this movie kind of thought wonder woman 1984 was kind of wonderful you mispronounce the name of the movie while you put it on the yeah i can like he's also like he's kind of wishy washy about his thoughts how wishy washy on wonder woman also like he like like he put kind of like he's he's not definitively saying it's wonderful he's like that's a defense word maybe it's kind of good because yeah it's a defense word but he tweeted out his thumbnail when he first saw the movie and it was wonder woman 84 is wonderful and he changed it to kind of wonderful when he saw everybody hated it he's like oh no kind of so a little bit wonderful so there are parts that he eats is bad i think because he agrees with some of the the people who say that wonder woman like he said in the intro itself right there are parts in wonder woman that are supposed to be criticized but he goes it's still kind of good he said it's not really good is it if there's a kinder well i don't know if he actually says if it's good in this movie or if he likes it i think that's the important distinction well yeah i'm sure he'll stick to saying he likes it but i'm curious about the references i wonder if the references will be complete while they will be ignoring pieces of information now i'm going to probably spoil a lot of plot details here i was like what the fuck was that i was just to make sure my chair didn't like catch up something as i like scooted it forward under my butt i've always found his intro really fucking weird the the shoe drop you like okay woman 1984 it comes kind of wonderful now i'm going to probably spoil a lot of plot details character fades all that jazz if you don't want to be spoiled go watch the film cool don't watch the if you don't want to be spoiled i agree if you do not want to spoil your brain watch something else your brain will be frustrated with you for having been having watched this okay so don't do it cool before we get into this did you know that two out of three dudes will experience some form of male pattern baldness okay so i want to know how many out of how many men experience female pattern baldness yeah that would be an interesting statistic it's just you know usually they segue there was no segue for this one it was one of them was pretty great you know baldness you want to look like chris pine you can't but you can try i'm just getting that bread you can try that's a generous thing to say that paid promotion bread no no no it makes sense because there were plenty of men around the world in the movie that would have wished for their hair to grow back makes total sense totally fitting totally fitting with this movie no you oh yeah no you by the time they're 30 scary but if you want to prevent hair loss you gotta do something do something like that hair you want to look like patrick willams no one wants to look like patrick willams okay no i think it's scary by a wig yeah yeah there you go just and again be honest if you start balding just cut it off just shave it off just take it off own the walter white look okay own the walter white look that's what wolf did looks good uh it just go for it but the rock did everyone likes rock yeah man yeah left so you don't wake up looking like lex luther that's why lucky for what what's no you so looks lex luther's problem isn't that he's bald it's that it's not it's more of a face thing oh wait but which lex luther because there's loads of oh yeah i i don't know i guess i think of i think of the what's his name jessie uh hyzen hyzen yeah yeah not hyzenberg that's uh jessie hyzenberg hyzenberg hyzenberg enough because um black enough the one he was referencing is from smallville uh i'll get a picture for you rags you can judge him oh no oh no it's like calm down rags it's a funny well you fucking calm down i'm doing a funny so we can do this all day oh yeah and if you have a problem with anything i say don't worry it's just satire what do you think of him rags is he jessie hyndenberg that's small a smallville lex luther looks like a child it looks like a it looks it kind of looks like you know how people can look young and old at the same time well like this is the oldest 14 year old i've ever seen well then if you shave your head you might end up looking like him i suppose no it ain't the hair that's just that looks like a cancer patient because they're so young i see a child's like i'm looking at a child who's caught out of space and time and i see the bald head so i assume whenever i see a kid who's bald i'm like they're going through chemotherapy chemotherapy chemotherapy chemotherapy so you can't even see him wait is he's an australian chemotherapy chemotherapy chemotherapy yeah that's it is chemotherapy uh going through chemo when you're in the army i think so chemotherapy yeah so people people don't notice people with chemotherapy because you know it's yeah it's a point yeah grobeage that is the answer i feel like i can hear this picture they talk in a really soft kind of voice you know oh you're talking about the the small villain maybe yeah they just want to invite you over you know particularly for a maybe a a cup of tea or you could talk about knitting even though crocheting is more complex and generally regarded by many as a superior hobby all right i think it's fine what about pottery i'm going i'm doing it it's all good and those special air follicles today's sponsor is keeps truth to tell you that keeps is the best and most affordable way to keep your hair you know he should have said i do have the last hope truth on me so it's not even possible for me to lie keeps is the also i don't know if this is a fair comparison this is animated here just animated here just keeps work on animated here you know i don't know if you pour keeps onto a page does it maybe if you draw a bottle of juice and your story is consistently written but if you're looser strand you can't stand alone even professor x can't stop hair lock oh i forgot his hair got knocked off because he got oh that's a funny movie that should be like that movie is movie yeah it 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actually contacted by ray shadow of legend but i actually played the game and i sent an email back saying i can't i can't sponsor this video i can't sponsor this game i can't do it i'm sorry i actually yeah because it was actually yo yeah i played more gotcha games that were funner than fucking ray shadow legends yeah if you're gonna take my money at least make me feel good while you do it at least yeah step on my cock make me like it you know yeah when they were stepping on my cock i was like well wait a second you're just stepping on my cock oh my god you're using the wrong technique yeah it's not working oh this is just pain there's nothing else here yeah exactly i hate this give me back my cock and if you use keeps whatever hay was taken off your cock during the stepping you can get it all back somebody else will get it thanks hi top thanks hi top we can get that hair back thank goodness you can never unstep your cock no step cock movies are oh what did i miss there we go hi top films thanks so most superhero movies are cut from a few different but everlasting and iconic gloss or capes or whatever the point is if you're making a superhero flick you're probably putting your own spin on or at least taking some cues from one of these films you're either making your where's that kind of fate where the where those facial expressions in the film i know right i don't get it i don't know is it a directing thing must be probably you got a prop sword she's balancing it hey i'm having a good time what hey where's that in the film i know you're a human probably you are from it's probable but like you're you're definitely like you have emotions like man grounded with a very serious tone that might get you the oscar nomination you're making your avengers with likable characters snappy dialogue in a tone that's fun for the whole fucking family but instead you got wonder woman 84 i'm sure he's gonna say the camp one right there's the camp ones that basically the ones that get an excuse to be shitty you're like oh okay let's hope you'll use that Robin oh that's the thing there's supposed to be bad guys there you know what donners 1978 classic superman film you're making a completely ridiculous but entirely sense here we go i'm gonna gonna say it the original superman's better than wonder what maybe for the movie where superman flies around the earth turn back time is a better movie than wonder woman 84 yeah i can agree with that statement yep on a movie that wears its heart so yeah i guess spider man superman and shazam are in this category where they just you know let them be who they are and i'm guessing wonder woman 84 also in that category on its sleep you're making a movie that is never afraid of being a comic book but embraces the art that comes with do you think it's weird that he's got two soundtracks at once yes oh you're right he's trying to superman very weird and he's also got this like this drummy stuff i wasn't about to ask why it sounds so weird but yeah yeah that is weird i um high top as as a as a film connoisseur i recommend against it i recommend against it there i said it that was the nicest way i could say it i'm sorry mauler mauler don't you read edit your videos oh my god whoa why would you ask me that the fuck editor yeah i would honestly recommend just taking this like the superhero soundtrack out like it's fine for him to just use his regular little soundtrack but with the superhero soundtrack behind it it's very distracting well yeah because um when you get into sort of dare i say sound mixing uh just just scoring your youtube video yeah i said it that's how i just described it you guys ready that's that's what i just said so we got an editor over here when you have um i don't know what a high score like you're like oh i showed a clip of uh you know sputamen and then about a few seconds later i showed superman and then just a few seconds later i showed batman you're like should i have the soundtracks all blended to each other it's like it could sound like ass you might want to commit to just one track in the background i mean you're probably probably try and see if they mesh well together sometimes that just happens but mostly it's just a jumbled mess in your ears and let's be clear like background music it just just one is a maybe it ain't a yes one soundtracks a maybe two oh no one man should have all that power well yeah because he had obviously chosen his one track and then he was like when i show superman i'm gonna play the uh the iconic portion of the song and it's like but that's gonna clash it might clash you know it could work as mel said your voice and your second soundtrack yeah so it can be distracting now let's watch again with that in mind richard donner's 1978 classic superman film your make oh did you catch that the avengers theme just stops it doesn't fade out yeah interesting yeah is it because he didn't is it because he wasn't using the appropriate amount of tracks so one video just starts and the other video begins and he didn't unlock the audio and video and have him transition or well it could be a lot of different mistakes i don't think he would have wanted that on purpose honestly but i guess he could argue it's like nah it's a style choice i like it cutting out yeah maybe donner's 1978 classic superman film you're making a completely ridiculous isn't that really awkward i don't know and and someone's gonna be like you did pick it's like literally just commenting on how the music flows in a video it's chill it's not the end of the world right i'm more concerned about his writing than his his music choices yeah yeah that's all right not everything we talked about is the most serious thing but entirely sincere genre movie that where it's its heart on its sleeve you're making a movie that is never afraid of being a comic book but embraces the art that comes with that and it embraces the art that comes with that so here's the thing it doesn't it doesn't have to like there's nothing intrinsic about any of this like you can make it style whatever you want it to be the embraces the art that comes with that being comic book it's like mm-hmm there's a there's a sense that he's um kind of the opposite on whether or not a film achieves that or not i suppose um spider into being one that does mcu sputumans obviously don't um it's just pure style and flash it's all panash and no substance there so i feel like he is short selling um comic books as like an art form because into the spider versus embraces comic books and it's actually still excellent unlike spider-man 2 i think that's a good point it does feel like um very much like comics coming to life sort of thing that movie and it it also isn't stupid so maybe you can get both insulting into it's kind of insulting to the whole genre as well like not like he's pigeonholing comics as to this cheesy like uh like cheesy silly thing when comic books have evolved right it's not it's no longer or a silly it's not just a silly thing and i don't know not all comic books are i suppose he's appealing to a particular era or or format or uh maybe a particular run of comics or something um it's like those ones when they adapt those ones those silly ones it's going to be a silly movie you're like right okay but the way you said it though yeah i know like it yeah but one woman 84 is that movie okay weekend do you understand now yeah okay okay okay woman 1984 entirely insane ridiculous bloated poppy camp fest that gets a little camp fest i i don't think it's aware of itself do we need to have like a discussion on the weird camp let's have a look see shall we yeah i i don't i maybe for the first maybe for the the the mall scene they sort of for a little self-aware yeah with the winking but um honestly after that they play it straight yeah they they want to because there's a lot of emotional payoffs they want to nail um and so they need to ground themselves again i don't know i don't think that i would not describe one woman 84 is camp um it's just complicated in terms of how i categorize camp anyway and i always it always comes up whenever something is being shit and someone's like nah it's camp that's every time i don't ever see people being like go ahead do you think it's because we base camp off of just old stuff and we kind of use that as a standard or a baseline i mean when like let's take the evil dead right or those old slasher b movie films that are aware of themselves and are campy were those things at the time considered that way or is it because those are known by us now that we compare new stuff to them and say oh this thing is like those old things that that's a camp that that's campy that's a style because i don't know i'm just kind of curious i suppose what would you describe batman robin as campy yes i would too and if someone said oh so you you're saying it's not bad it's campy and i'd be like no no it's camp camp that camp isn't at quality it's a it's like a stylistic choice it's independent of its quality yeah and i would never describe wonder woman 84 as aware of its like campiness or at least if that was a qualifier for being campy to be at least somewhat aware of what your uh what your thing is like i never got the sense 84 had any clue uh when she flies through the air they try to be so emotional and it is so funny because of that like it wouldn't work if the film was aware of itself i was laughing the lives left my ass off so yeah i wouldn't uh but that conversation we we need him here to be able to have that one because we really need to get the word straight and how he uses them before we could you know figure anything out it's kind of the awkward part is unless he goes on to explain himself who knows oh did poppy campfest that gets a little lost in a jumbled throvery spice in sauce but always has its focus on one idea call it empathy call it love call it compassion call it selflessness but i call it heroism um wait she's a terrible hero though wait hero it took the apocalypse before wonder woman went okay time to give you up bae i love you piece out it took that it took it it took it to that level before she went no yeah that's heroism like she was fighting for yeah she was fighting for her hubby to still be there like i don't think that's really her sexually abusing handsome guy is heroic yeah yeah uh so what was he saying that these like collection of of attributes all come under the header of heroism for him i suppose empathy is heroic yeah i guess so idea call it empathy call it love call it compassion call it selflessness but i call it heroism honest human heroism there is this one line of dialogue this one interaction that i think sums up why this slick worked for me it's in the white house towards the end of the second half line of dialogue in this entire sequence like what works oh i i see it i think i know what he's talking about looks a lot like your no that looks like um tay oh man yeah um if he was going to choose any line of dialogue i don't think that there would have been a portion of the movie where we would all go oh yeah well actually no one of the three scenes with max well maybe would have been like oh let's see what he chose and a prince is trying to get max well lord and max well lord is trying to get the fuck out max well lord has absorbed i don't i don't understand this stylistic choice um is it just editing for the sake of having editing i guess so just to really signify like a change in format for a moment he's narrating a setup rather than and i don't want to complain too much because normally the problem is people and give a fuck about editing and they just talk over trailer footage so you put effort into this it's just yeah look why you know why why the power ancient magical rock a rock that grants wishes but at a cost and now max well lord has become the ancient wait a minute um max well lord has absorbed the power of an ancient magical rock a rock that grants wishes but at a cost and grants wishes but at a cost and look at the visually shown that's not the cost interesting so oh yeah that's not the cost yeah unless he and i unless he accidentally so the implication here is of course the cost is another person doesn't get to exist anymore which is what we thought they were going with at first but then the film makes it clear that is not the cost yeah it's just a it's a secondary very real effect that is absolutely a cost to that one person they essentially just get annihilated but uh yeah it's it's a double whammy for that one because the film is this kind of goes against the whole so the so if what patty jinkin said on twitter is true about how it's supposed to be a silo stylistic riff on old blah blah blah then that means that it goes against the rules of her own universe in order to have it which even if we were going to say that it what patty jinkin says was true which and i don't think it's true at all i think she's fucking lying her ass off um it's just a matter of which problem do you go with i also think this might might be a little bit reading into it but perhaps he is saying that the film has made it clear that this this is a cost and um i'm i'm i'm very curious for his his pieces of commentary on the the big no no in this film and this would obviously tie into his perspective on it which is that steve having taken over this body is the cost of having steve back or at least the visuals would imply that i suppose so um we'll put that in a in a pinboard for now and see how it develops remember that now max while lord has become the ancient magical wishing rock himself while barb rubman nervous in the process of becoming the cheetah so amidst all this insanity all this lovely craziness there's this bit that slapped me in the face made me pause the movie run downstairs oh ever all of his editing it's just like i've got lights and i have to use all my lights yeah i mean it's half a way to red the green unusual lighting unusual lighting is just his his go-to as long as it's strange lighting he's uh because guys isn't it weird how his staircase is like really blue but also really black and it contrasts filmmaking i mean you can see i guess like those lights on them i just like separate lights yeah just to justify his film degree so leave him alone this is the thing i don't find that impressive about it is that he creates these sort of lighting situations let's call them but they never they never naturalistic at all they're always insane like nobody would like anything like this it's like yeah i know but that's what's cool about it like okay like if the light doesn't come on when something particular happens it's not like an italian giallo film right where you have whenever the slasher gets someone or the monster pops out or when that big scary thing happens you have the crescendo of the music and you have the sudden red lights that are bold and bright and they cast these ominous shadows everywhere and it's a huge contrast to the otherwise normal footage that you've seen just before that this is just every scene it's just got fucking lights in it wait to roll it back a little bit let me just go from like black and right contrast really craziness that yeah which there's this bit that slapped me in the face we went from green and black to blue and black downstairs to again blue and black with red just grabbed some popcorn now with that again because he just strapped lights to the side and they're just right there why couldn't why why not put them have them come from the top because we could see the lights in the cords so why like why do why go through all the effort i guess also sickly comes to mind once again it's a tetanus tetanus man he needs to see that doctor from keeps he's like how's your hair going it's like doing tetanus help popcorn popcorn and write this all down no Steve you can't use that it's not their fault okay wait that's what she chose before before whatever he's gonna say right we found this so funny because and i say it wrong in the efat movies i say something like oh these people we can hit or something like that what what i mean to say is oh these people we can't hit when wonder woman has made some dubious fucking choices in this movie added the prior one about who she will beat the fuck out of um so this only just like is a moment of just like what we do it remember the the car chase with all the people who were under his tizmy spell she didn't mention this did she oh yeah remember the german conscripts in the first movie where she was told uh they're the bad guys it's just chill just beat them all glad the first guy i saw was a handsome englishman or a handsome american or else i'd be in trouble and so um if someone was like obsessed like a fat guy oh movie bob has been transformed into movie the arabs though baller oh my god oh no i didn't want to say it the nazis though yes every german in a war setting is a nazi we know this uh wait why in a war setting oh you know what yeah fuck that part every german every single one even if they dress up as kratos taking it back to the crusades there you are sitting on your couch as a german but suddenly you're a nazi your car suddenly yeah what's the suddenly part that doesn't make any sense yeah i demand proper representation from you okay my god it's genetic um exactly superior genetics so yeah i guess i bring that up as just um wait a minute this is inconsistent with wonder woman's position on beating innocent people so it's not a very meaningful scene but i mean if you if you take that from it regardless that's fine it's not their fault max's enchanted goons are shooting at her and diana doesn't she actually spends the rest of the scene trying to stop cheetah from hurting them diana okay okay so we're talking yeah like yeah we're talking totally baseline hero stuff and in a practically invincible person is using her superpowers to not kill innocent people yeah it's actually gonna say this is um between the set of us here we should be able to come with an example i'll go first civil war uh steve is protecting the german police from being killed as bucky blasts through them and he's getting increasingly disappointed with having to do it because of course he doesn't want bucky to cause trouble uh what else have we got scenes where heroes are trying to protect people in a fight iron man one when uh iron man's trying to protect the civilians from iron manga is he's fucking tossing shit around that's that's another example what else we got come on guys even we talk about the amazing spider man one and two right even the most awful movies well not ever made but some of the most horrible movies ever made you have the hero you know that this is the hero he needs to save innocent people he'll rope him out of the way with his goo or he'll tackle them before the car hits them or something right he will pull him out of cars he will make sure the car doesn't fall off the bridge super super baseline stuff you'd better have your hero doing this if they want them to be heroic because if you haven't you fail that the fundamentals of heroism yeah i would say that this is expected if you're having your hero battle of villain in a populated area the hero should show some effort in protecting the civilians now this is something yeah the man of steel gets criticism for and it'll be interesting for us to rewatch it to see if we uh agree with that criticism or not like they should have been more concerned for the civilians and the and the showdown to to to lack spoolers um so yeah i am not impressed by this whatsoever because a hero caring about innocent people's lives is i don't know it seems like that should just be a part of the mo if i was however responding to this video oh what what do you know hey queen oh my god um oh my god point out all of the times in this movie and in the first wonder woman where wonder woman absolutely kills people right absolutely if we're talking about let's talk about wonder woman 84 right the scene where she uh where wonder the scene where wonder woman attacks the convoy on the Arab road um those those guys they're under the influence of the stone they're just doing their job as they should to protect this guy their new employer their dude their security detail they absolute some of those guys are dead absolutely with the way the cars flip around and get knocked over and all that stuff in the bullets flying everywhere some of those guys are dead and they're not like stormtroopers yeah they're imperial stormtroopers they are they're people that are basically brainwashed they're just dudes and um they cut away at the same time or you know they we don't show it right before someone dies game of thrones style boom we cut away also her armpit must hurt when she does that because the top of her breastplate is point anyway but yeah there's definitely circumstances here where wonder woman is killing people so you can't pull this card of how she's heroic because she's not that a talk on the caravan was totally unnecessary at the time they could have just followed them wonder woman didn't have to endanger the life of steve trevor as the host of the body it doesn't work yeah handsome man as the host handsome man handsome wait as the it would be steve inhabiting he's like a parasite on the host that is the body was that how you would say that i guess i believe so yeah yeah also i'm going to show the i'm going to try and show the part where i think she would have killed someone in the uh in the in the room yeah the one i think if anyone here has seen the efat movies coverage uh when she knees someone in uh in the first movie through a window up the window yes he's probably very probably dead oh yeah and she knocks multiple people out of out of buildings she wonder woman is absolutely killing a lot of people when she does this stuff um yeah and don't forget the um the the the bit at the end of 101 where where aries is proud of her for blasting away a whole bunch of germans um yeah these these people are in trouble i just thought he was gonna pick the scene where wonder woman made the speech that cheetah lost her humanity i thought that was the moment he picked but this is i agree this is just basic basic hero stuff yeah but it's not someone that i was gonna say the criticism twofold one this is standard two uh it's inconsistency consistent with what we've seen of it before someone's saying brainwash soldiers so just like the stormtroopers then no uh stormtroopers are are like they enlisted in the empire on their own accord as far as we know we're not talking about the first order the first order yeah yeah yeah but the empire i literally said imperial stormtroopers imperial stormtroopers okay uh these guys they are brainwashed to follow max lord not the guy that they were originally working for they are in the situation because of max lord and the monkey's pot powers they're not attacking wonder woman on their own accord i think the um the the even if they weren't even if they weren't brainwashed they would be justified in attacking wonder woman um well yeah so the scenario here is someone of great import in a government building is being attacked by someone and you have security slash bodyguards uh there's a lot of scenarios where that's just you're totally just oh certainly on the road jesus christ what she's doing on there like oh it's like holy shit this fucking super crazy person is trying to like drive around they won't get away like what do they want holy shit and it's like this american dude and some oh my goodness it's pandemonium and it makes the choice to save the people not harm the people why would she harm them why would that guy not shoot her right here i guess he's shocked by her saving his friend kind of unless you talk about why wouldn't you shoot cheetah no like i don't even know i don't even know i don't even know it's fine that are actively shooting at her and it was in that moment a moment that plenty of so if she could spin that to the speed that it will block bullets shouldn't it be eating away at the floor like cutting down into the floor i think if it's causing a ton of wind if it's going at that speed yeah i was gonna say it should be doing a lot of things physics wise actually probably a it's an indestructible anything spinning at that speed we'll just turn it into a mega magic weed wacker and just saw through anything hey at least should be useful for that if you had her over like my gross getting a bit a bit too high lots of weeds you know uh so it uh he's like despite being shot at she doesn't kill them it's like yep a lot of heroes do that a lot of them standard stuff especially because she has invulnerable armor and it's in super speed and and i think a lot of people might be confused like wait why why are you saying that like a criticism it's like no it's just strangely he's got it as a point of praise that's all i i don't really understand why this is such a point of praise yeah the spider man stops criminals he doesn't murder innocent people and he doesn't rob banks it's like yeah i find it funny like he's so shocked that wonder woman is doing this like it's the first time in the moon we've just actually done something heroic maybe that's why he's so impressed by it he doesn't consider the car chase heroic example well that's right well all right yeah we can we can carry on I suppose this is a really it's an odd point and it's one the reason like it's it's not just that we're going against the idea that he brings this up as a quality of the movie it's that it's directly contradicted by other things she does in the movie yeah i think and this is what i'd like to talk to him about like your reference is interesting high top does it affect your emotional experience thinking about the fact that she did not employ this particular point of view earlier in the film does that bother you at all yeah has she grown as a person from wonder woman one has she grown from her experience of taking out all those germans when she knew that they were basically only doing this because of aries and if that's the case we're not all the british and allied soldiers that she walked by were they not also the under the exact same effects what makes one morally better than the other from her perspective we ain't gonna give it we ain't gonna get in that conversation right now but yeah bad reference for the movie that is uh well so this is what i was talking about it's like a point of praise that has to omit certain elements in order for it to be coherent it's like damn high top damn you did it people were just not even care about in that moment after a rocky middle portion filled with magical rock exposure sense that i filled with magical rock expository it was one it was one bizarre scene that took a couple minutes yeah are we defending 84 i was like yeah i wasn't a lot of meant to book i thought he meant that the book is full of the no you said the middle portion of the film middle portion oh yeah fuck that that's not true yeah this this is other shit going on in there what are you laughing oh well it's where i mean man page your page pass goes acting he went all out in this movie yeah listen you can tell what emotion he is experiencing because of his face it's cool he is very scared i maybe i could run it by chat real quick because we're here um so i'm curious chat if you um have anything to say um in the scene if you have watched wonder woman 84 if you have access to it um watch the scene where cheetah chris pine and wonder woman go into the the building with the mind guy the the dude who has the lower book on the crystal paw and watch the scene in for like from the perspective of is christin wig even there is it christin or kirsten christin christin is christin wig even there watch the scenes notice the adr dialogue she makes like off screen notice how they shoot the back of wonder woman's head notice how chris pine and wonder woman never react to her being there and they only react when they could show her not being in frame because she's left as a character think about it it's really strange it is really really bizarrely constructed so just something to think about if you ever go through the film again and the theory is if anyone's curious like why would that be the case the working theory is that she wasn't really involved in that scene much at all or i have a second theory as well right so first of all she she just wasn't there and they were like oh whoops or she was there but she didn't say anything originally in the scene she was just listening to them talk and then she left um this scene is the last we see of her before uh she ends up attacking wonder woman and so if an audience member is like whoa whoa whoa why why is she's the nice one isn't she why is she attacking wonder woman then it would make sense to insert a couple of scenes where she's like wait a minute the evil evil stone more like a dream stone wait a minute why would we want to undo its wishes we like these wishes oh i'm not on board with your plan guys that's it i'm not on board she says all this shit and none of them acknowledge her at all so it lets us know why she's upset and why she'll attack wonder woman but at the same time it's said right in front of characters that should care very much about what she's saying but they don't really react to it so interesting she'll say is the least yeah um anyway back to the video realized the superhero movie meant for me director patty jenkins said this about diana she doesn't punch people in the face that's not them okay all right okay we're gonna have a conversation about punching people in the face oh my god this is one of those moments of this so much to say with such a little that's been said why is why does this who first off tell me who found i would love to see who said this patty jenkins apparently okay um she doesn't punch people in the face that's not the most effective way to stop something from happening so actually oftentimes it's really good at that oh no i was just thinking like yeah go ahead go ahead i was just like person on person we're talking about power levels of wonder woman's capabilities her super speed her super reflexes her super coordination her near invulnerability right yeah punching people in the face is a really good way of making people around you stop doing they're doing i mean i guess that this is correct when it comes to doc ock punching him in the face isn't very effective it doesn't do anything he's got a face made of jelly he just keeps on shrugging off punches like there's nothing um but yeah generally getting your bell rung not not very comfortable will definitely stop you in your tracks for a little bit um so i think that's the the first thing to go over is is that statement true and it's like it is not true it is not true at all it shows a level of naivety when it comes to uh why fighting even happens it's like when people say war bad and it's like wait do you think do you think that both sides are just having to deal with war bad they just want to kill people they just have bloodlust and they just want to kill it's so boring when that's all you have to say um but but so i guess the next step would be wonder woman don't do this she doesn't punch people and let's just make sure chat like he says she doesn't punch people in the face that's not the most effective way to stop something from happening so the claim wonder woman does not punch people in the face what do you think the spirit of that comment is it's it's that she doesn't use just sheer blunt violence to stop people from doing things yes because it's not a literal punching people in the face however he took it literally it's still wrong it's still wrong so i'm gonna show some visuals when you can why punch people in the face when you can just kill them with the power of love i mean yeah uh the i'm gonna get that that moment with the medic up and let chat know it was a medic as well i only know this because there was a top comment on the um on the coverage of e-fan movies that the one she hurt the most in this scene was uh was a medic just just funny look at that guy oh she didn't punch him she kicked him out of a window like it's just find your perspective interesting there patty i forgot a violent there was yeah i was gonna say you might be thinking it's not the same one she she hit out of a window it's a different one she hit out of the window yeah she hit does she knock one of the guys through a wall i think it was through like glass or some shit um well one of them was through a glass window yeah the dude i think one of them was just um she just slammed someone in the helmet with her shield as well uh the guy before this one so you know if i said to you right like i would never punch someone because that's wrong however i would hit them really hard in the face with my shield you'd be like okay right okay we're just we're just you know talking about or methods here it's virtually the same thing now that's a good pause so as you saw she did a bit of a sprinting start there chat we're gonna we're gonna analyze this knee tabs quite a bit of power to put into one place uh that's in his intestines for sure it's gonna even even if you're not super powered by the way that was quite one point yeah yeah absolutely she's she's stronger than the average bear so uh you gotta consider that that guy is a rag doll now she's um remember wonder woman does not punch okay because she's better than other heroes she does kick though and then i guess the uh the other references well so of course when i showed the clip of who fucking flipping the army truck she doesn't punch but she does that you're like all right also that guy's gonna hit the roof and tumble off and fall and hit the ground and then yeah yeah absolutely this is that's quite a fall he ain't no his journey ain't over yet when the truck flips over and like falls onto the ground upside down the people that are inside the truck probably a little hurt i think so uh right so now i'm gonna pull up some more clips of wonder woman not hurting people okay it goes remember this scene everyone uh oh you know i better pause just for copyright you never know these days youtube always gets angry at me just trying to show references youtube all right all right so that looked like a punch that looked like a punch that one too that one too hmm i'm getting a little bit confused here patty it looks like wonder woman punches the shit out of people no no no those are punches those are those are hammer fists and backhands that i was going to say one of us like a like a running spinning back i'd rather get hit by her fist than those fucking bracers yeah dude the bracers can vaporize aries like you don't want to just just take the punch oh aries getting so hot from her punching people i love this frame she misses a lot of them though and she never goes back for him and she slides oh that was definitely a punch we just saw there and then there's this i don't know what this is but she does it and it hurts people so in conclusion just kill them wonder woman does quite a bit of punching i would say a lot of punching a lot of kicking a lot of elbows and all that stuff and whatever it is that you know that is with her just like going on everyone flies away and so once again it's like you have hight up in a corner he says i like the movie i enjoy it we're like yeah that's cool man that's cool so it's fine so and he goes you know why we're like oh yeah why and he says because wonder woman's a kind of hero that she solves problems without punching people i'd be like um but that's not true like the in the in the original wonder woman like the really old one didn't she punch anyone there it's like no no the new one it's like no no no that's not what happens and so you get to this awkward place where loads of people on youtube do not like where you go oh what you just said was wrong and they go how can i be wrong if i haven't been on a movie you're like oh it's like no that just happened in the movie curse me and so i'd be like you must be mistaken you must have forgotten when she punched the shit out of loads of people when she killed those but you must be how many times she punched cheetah a bunch of times i think a lot of different she got also spitting a lot oh god i randomly scared that i found this shawl just like oh i'm sorry okay ahead of time i'm gonna see if we can oh get some punching action what is that hand she looks so dumb she does look dumb yeah and the statement this are you making yeah and the movie that they're all making this statement is not supported by it at all like you would make a movie that where diana prince is a diplomat and she's like solving problems using her wits that's the movie you'd make if you have a statement like this right like yeah no but most of the movie is punching but at the end guys he makes a speech and that makes it okay now that falls under the diplomatic spirit of the movie well to once again address people that's why it's well yeah and i think that there's an interesting conversation to have about that to have a hero beat the final villain without using your standard sort of battle approach i think that's neat but we just had this battle it's like she doesn't punch people the face she does however fucking slap them into the ground almost head first she's just lucky it didn't go head first this movie's about as clever as punching a german through a window oh and then this is just talking shit at this point the movie she made is not that movie like i think a lot of films just like forget that blunt force trauma exists as a thing if you're not getting hit with a sword or a spear or stabbed or shot you know something like that then you're fine it doesn't matter how how hard you punch someone or hit them with objects you can just go around smacking people with your fists because fists and bats and things those totally aren't lethal objects this quote wasn't finished it said that's not the most effective way to stop something from happening sometimes that way is electricity and then it cuts to cheetah going and she's like see punching i'd say wonder woman punching a mortal person is an extremely effective way from from preventing it from happening like forever because that person is dead and so i would then because it's just so much mileage to get out of this fucking statement i would assume this has been made to try and purport that that wonder woman is this hero that kind of stands aside or above other heroes in that she doesn't have to just punch them in the face she can reason them down because you can see the um the visual he's got behind right when she tells max hey the truth is beautiful this is like yeah um but i'd like to highlight how funny it is that she really does that because she can't get to him the wind prevents her from punching him in the face so um what she would have done if there was no wind is probably punch him in the face tie him up and be like renounce your wish you piece of shit you ruined everything and he'd be like nuts spits on him and then the wind makes it fly back at her own face she's like damn you max roll i've been foiled by by max was a giant brain max would stop all right then most effective way to stop happening and she doesn't stomp on somebody's chest to get information she does stomp on so well yeah what if she didn't have the fucking lasso of truth what would she do then i'm legit curious yeah that's that's really lame like she doesn't use a an interrogation tactic because she doesn't have to she has no choice to ever have to make for that and besides she has a magic lasso that forces you to tell the truth like she doesn't need to interrogate him just i'm pretty sure that knife and with the whip pretty sure that knife and batman would stomp people's chests if he had a lasso of truth yeah no why the fuck would anybody max well who where are the stolen documents rate your penis on a scale of one to ten anything but you never have to never have to she doesn't have to punch or be violent also fair the visual he's got right now is of her holding a guy by his ankle that she doesn't need to get information from why is this your visual i don't know she doesn't punch people doesn't she punch people he's small secret she kicks him in his shin and it sends him three meters up in the air but smaller we're allowed to kick people with a lot of punch people okay but she's not she's not doing this to get information is the thing oh that's the difference thank you god your reference is so shitty come on yes she is you're lying wonder wonder woman's quite brutal to be honest with you uh yeah if if this film portrayed realistic consequences to the things that she does oof because like i'm some warrior race like that makes yeah wonder woman is kind of horrible yeah i i just want to share this little uh panel from the comics oh no oh boy what is this oh yeah she killed oh spoilers for everyone who don't know even that's max well what the fuck wait you know who that is is that max well do you know who that is everyone that's max will lord lord yeah um she she fucking killed him in the comics well high tops not really the kind of guy that likes comic accuracy he's usually anti that then again is this from one of the comics nobody likes or something i guess the main wall i believe i think this was a shocker look it's super bad like yeah yeah what you too far like tell that's too max lord snapped neck oh no max so lord wonder woman why did you do it why did you do it one of your braces is going really far up your arm by the way oh yeah her cocky was kind of shit what's going on there it's going really awkward to use your fingers wow no it's a it's a main line it's a main line comic before the reboot oh god you're right yeah it's like she tried to pull her her her bracer off but it got stuck halfway and she's like four fingers is enough apparently there is context for this that we are missing is this like a yeah i think no no uh i see the yeah this isn't the whole comic just the wiki is she is she mind controlled or something no no no the only way that max lord's evil plan is going to be stopped is if he's dead so wonder woman kills him oh yeah yeah here well no she doesn't she could just she has the last of truth just say what do i have to say to you to convince you to take back your wishes no no the last so no the oh yeah that's also a good way to yeah that's also good so this is like the last of truth it's it's like oh yeah you're right it introduces it introduces a lot of issues that you have to account for it's like oh i've been using this time machine to get to oh my wizarding classes on time he you're like motherfucker we are fighting a war here leave her alone she's a stupid little girl at a spooky wizard castle she don't know so anyway um this is the context diana manages to subdue superman by banging her bracelets of submission against his ears but he soon recovers she calls upon flocks of birds to distract him while she returns to trap max well lord in her last so of truth she brings superman back to sanity by cutting him with her tiara what what huh wait i'm sorry diana's tiara is made of kryptonite i don't understand it brings him back to sanity by cutting him it's the it's the tiara of sanity okay she has erasers of submission her last of truth and her tiara of sanity was her tiara of what was her tiara of sanity made by the god of making things like this maybe someone in chat can explain it the tiara is magic smaller three we won yeah it's magic magic and damage superman yeah but wait but why does that bring him back to sanity rather than making him more insane right i guess it's that's another question i guess it's like a stupid face or something i guess that's what they're going for well back in her invisible bowing or whatever the fuck it is she has her tiara of insanity and she chose she can she can only wear one at a time she chose the sanity one this time if she cuts people with the insanity tiara it makes them go crazy crazy not so superman is weak to magic you think that explains this i feel bad for you like it's a magic tiara that means he gets sane from being cut by it's like okay um do you know how does that bring him back to sanity subdued superman by banging her bracelets of submission against his ears but he soon recovers she calls upon flocks of birds to distract him while she runs so far away while she returns to trap max well lord and her last of truth she brings superman back to sanity by cutting him with her tiara and demands to know how to end the mind control when under the influence of the lasso max well lord reveals that the only way to end his control would be to kill him understanding that this must be the truth she then breaks max well lord's neck killing him instantly so this goes entirely against what high top said and what patty jenkin said this is the only way to stop as well as to fucking kill him i'm just ignoring the flock of birds i'm confused no that makes sense birds are magical stopping she's still not not stopping on his chest she's just snapping his neck okay it's a very clear difference this motherfucker threw a saw blade at superman's neck and it's like that's all good don't worry about it it's just a flesh wound like you could have cut him anywhere right his fucking neck well you know that brings it oh shit my neck that's probably like oh oh god damn that is the appropriate reaction you have oh wait so this this is this is main line this is canon shit right we're not we're not yeah so whatever that means in comics i really would like to ask high top if he feels that uh why i would just like let's pretend for a second she never punches anybody i'd be like do anything that's out of character wonder woman is willing entirely to beat the shit out of someone and even kill them if it means solving the problem of saving the world so you know is it really staying true to the comics i wonder what he'd say like the spirit is still intact but thing is if you tell me that wonder woman is like a warrior from a warrior race i totally believe that she would do shit like that oh hey you know what i agree efap chat we'll appreciate this let us cut back to the video chat look what's on screen she's not that kind of person like we just came from a panel she breaks someone's work we're gonna keep it you gotta keep it all to wonder woman 84 not that we haven't proved our point of many many times oh no this is relevant because he's he's captain you've got to be faithful to the comics right oh is he yeah yeah this is high top film oh yeah that says uh homecoming is bad because yeah homecoming is bad because it's not for the comics that's that's high top um because yeah i don't care if if comic wonder woman breaks people's necks and regular well just dce you wonder woman doesn't i'd be like yeah that can still work that's fine but that's funny though i'm just to say the the birds and the tiara making a little bit good old birds good burps so anyway why so many people gravitated towards her first movie i think it's because their their expectations for dc movies were subterranean and so they saw wonder woman and they just were like it's great it's called the mando effect damn look what the sequels did for mando the same was done for wonder woman by prior dc movies oh my god what is what is what is this comic piece what are we looking at here um it's the fight oh this is like evil superman so it's got this one said he said everyone has their spin on it at the beginning so is he talking about but but but these are literal events that occur in the panels in the scenes like you can't have a spin on it do a spin on it breaking someone's neck like what what do they mean by that no this the spine spun well i assumed it was a different kind of spin but you know what i can understand that it's like to what degree what angle we need to make sure we get it right wonder woman a bit different in the comic huh towards her first movie at a time when so many of us adore the bone breaking batman adore the missile fire and iron man oh fuck off do you cannot say that wonder woman has not crushed many bones no but rags we don't see it on on screen so it doesn't happen oh yeah that's right if we just if we just act like all the things that she did were totally not extremely lethal painful and bone breaking they just aren't uh it's not on screen or it's just what are you about to do comparing her to like comparing iron man to her unfavorably well no because he's he's doing um he's doing like a palette he's like hey he got batman's breaking bones iron man's firing missiles it's pretty cool to have a hero that doesn't even punch people to beat them it's like that's not that's not true she does she punches people all the fucking time yeah she does a lot of it she doesn't have a ranged weapon i mean her little circlet but she's that twice and usually against inanimate objects and i don't understand how it works because she throws it it just comes back i don't it's a boomerang it's magic yeah a woman come in and decide not to harm not to don't even fucking don't fucking dare jesus you cannot be this dense the woman behind what would have been the most like monstrous creation for whatever who has been shown to simply enjoy the concept of entropy like that's just it she just likes everything being fucking destroyed it's like yes i will spare because i'm a good person those guys over there that i just like bashed out of existence though and they were kind of you know they were Germans you know we like Germans let's be honest come the fuck on sparing dr poison is evidence that wonder woman is not like iron man you mean like oh she's not like intelligent i agree no like dr poison of all the people she should kill like those poor guys who don't have a chance in those buildings that she's knocking around and fucking up like these dudes here in the back no but fucking kill them break their bones but dr poison drop a tank on her ass it's that trope of the hero going like going on this revenge spree and have it has to kill like a bunch of uh red shirts to get to the bad guy that he wants revenge against he gets to the bad guy and the bad guy is like if you kill me you'll be just like i would and it works on the hero yeah it's that stupid fucking trope what's one more constantly trope lit in the bucket of blood because you're right airy's kind of treats it that way he's like and uh it is treated as though this is the choice wonder woman this is where you know we're at a crossroads are you gonna become evil or good it's like what do you what do you mean yeah it's in a lot of stuff and it's fucking frustrating as hell but imagine see this is where this ingenuousness comes in like you you remember what happened a few seconds before this scene right hi top do you remember that i don't think either you don't or you're leaving it out because it kind of fucks with the with the point you make in no no it hit someone like a ton of bricks was the ton of bricks that all those germans were thrown into yeah and the audience patch really wonder on the power of love pierced through areas as a bolt of lightning um i mean if you so if you have you ever loved so hard that static came out of your hand a little bit um all the whole time yeah i just picture most people like your god's so hard you shocked yourself with the static electricity man we're we're not even a third in all right could and now i know truly save the world what a fucking goofy lie to attach to that one of those empty ass platitudes that you expect out of one of the shitty barbie movies yes yeah like even in the good ones like the villain has to be defeated right premminger has to be captured so that he doesn't ruin the kingdom uh even uh the i forget the warlock has to be killed so that the magic forest can be restored to its true form like sometime it's it's so naive and it's preachy and stupid it's an empty childish platitude only love will conquer all if you throw in some nuance i think you can nail it uh this is not the movie for this statement just isn't i'm sorry it's we won't violate you cannot show us here obliterate the enemy with a laser and then say it was for love that's crazy talk i'm sorry you had to that doesn't work destroy we can't that's how we're going to win this though not by destroying what we hate saving what we love implying that in order to save things you might have to cut to ray exploding palpatine with his face literally fucking vaporizing piece by piece i'm killing you with love wow no that's lightning stop so we would call that having your cake and eating it being that you have all the same action shit that every other movie does but then you also say i'm better than those because i showed that you can win with love you're like no you didn't you're just saying you did you didn't earn that at all and it's fucking frustrating that lives people just prop the movie up that way it's like it didn't do that it failed miserably i'm sorry focus on love that focus on empathy that define the first film defines my favorite elements of this one maximum focusing on empathy who's her empathy for the german soldiers yeah i hate this zero empathy these poor guys are just on the wrong side of a very morally dubious conflict and i've only chose one side because of the first guy that washed up on the beaches of my magic island was a hunky american dude and he convinced me that one of the sides was developing a weapon it's like oh a weapon that would end the war quicker i don't know maybe wonder woman likes that idea also there's a story if um if steve had like crash landed any like like like five minutes earlier he would have drowned absolutely yeah if wonder woman hadn't gone to that spot and seen the plane at that time coming through in just the right place that she could have been there to save him with the germans have picked him up because they were right behind him yeah they were coming but they wouldn't have gotten there fast enough and plus he was sinking down behind him the drums were right behind him though they would if wonder woman could get there and rescue him and that there's no way the germans could have gotten to steven's time no they wouldn't have saved him you would have drowned by the time they got close remember she goes to him picks him up and brings him to the shore before the germans even pass through the uh the barrier yeah but you're saying like if he crashed like five minutes earlier it's like i don't know the germans probably if i've been earlier no i meant is crashing the same place but five minutes earlier oh okay not like five minutes of time of traveling earlier oh i got you i got you well see boy Pedro Pascal is having the time of his life he's not only chewing but devouring the scenery inhaling the scenery that's not going to work for a lot of people but it works so well for me and that's i don't know i think i think it matched the character really well i think yeah i think he's by far the best thing about the movie yeah he was great larger than life is the acting he uses his charisma to get the investors to play up the role to you know get what he wants so yeah it's it's uh it makes sense that his character especially would kind of fall into that and just start doing it i mean yes wait a while chewing that's the reason why his character was good it was the stuff with his son yeah i mean as we said we wanted to see a movie about him like the movie about him would be great you can do so much shit with that well chewing the series usually used as criticism of like an actor overacting so hard that like they they're taking away from the scene they're drawing everyone's attention to them because of their acting while i guess in this case he's saying from that he's providing a bonus to the character no one else interesting well this that's what i would argue i'd be like people like this do exist uh you do you can behave in a in a in an over the top way because that's that's just how you operate you that's who you are you try to impress wherever you go and try to be lively i don't know because he's also very outgoing and exuberant he's also keeping up a facade because he's actually going out of out of business and you know that huh facade facade yeah sorry uh no i lost my train of thought it's like you said he was trying to keep up a facade because he's trying to impress the investors yeah yeah and that's why i think oh what it's obvious like i'm this tv personality even though i like one ad and people kind of like that i guess i thought it was pronounced fake aid um because a lot of the times you only hear where so i did a lot of reading when i was younger especially well everything i did was when i was younger but you know what i mean um so sometimes you'd only see words and text and you'd only hear words spoken and you wouldn't know to put those two together so i thought it was pronounced fake aid when i when i read it because i just never had yeah oh yeah that's that's what i still stumble upon when i get like english words i'd like never use luckily we're here to make you feel small insignificant and stupid than me yeah it's amazing although it someone said seriously rags like no like that makes total like do you know how english works what do they not remember the story i gave about my parents saying forks yeah that makes total sense if you if you read that as an english word instead of saying foe you say it as fox he makes yeah i i read that as fox before i heard it for the first time as well but i was just reading it yeah it happens like we say decade not dakad or desaid or just hard like you see um i don't know faux pas written down and it kind of seems like fox pass or something oh yeah i want to be in that conversation so it says that that was a fox pass and you're like what's uh you just picture like a fox pass what is that what what what fox i didn't see a fox you know like oh do you mean like a pass that's sly like because of a foxy it's like oh you just you just pass the conversation along to someone in a sly way is that we're saying and they're just like what the heck someone asked rags how did you think denouement was pronounced not like i just said it denouement i think i probably said denouement yeah i would have said denouement yeah uh no one added burrow when i first uh saw that boy was like oh that's added burq obviously like come on edit burq exactly yeah i can saw i think it's a fair one a lot of people are confused oh yeah a lot of things like arkansas do you like uh yeah do you like living in arkansas yeah i do it's nice well there you go so yeah peter pascal does well in the film that's what we would get that um why do americans not know anything about other languages because we have no reason at all to really ever learn another languages because y'all are doing that for us don't don't hear the european thing we are like oh we're more sophisticated than the america it's like europeans get shit wrong constantly yeah we yeah like alluminum if we hear other germans talk english that don't use english as much as i do it's kind of cringe sometimes because they pronounce things really weirdly i was like oh yeah we just don't have the same necessity you know it's um it's not that we don't like like the idea it's not like we don't it's like a lot of just don't care and we don't have a reason to really focus in on it because learning a language isn't something easy it takes a lot of time and effort and if you don't have to do it then it becomes just a hobby i mean if i were to like move to germany or whatever i would learn german but yeah i live in america and the native you speak americans technically but the main the main language that spoke here is english i don't feel like the native tongue is a native tongue is english it's been long enough that's it's developed yeah it's developed yeah the majority of americans don't speak cherokee so you don't know that i speak cherokee okay i'm listening to her key well whoa that's offensive that you would you would i'm not a clown i don't i i i'm offended you're a little clown boy that's what you are the way that you say it is come on man that's not fair yeah that's not right so what he said what i mean is pronunciation of loanwords so one of the issues is that you don't even know it's a loanword when you just read it out yeah we're talking about how we stumble about those upon those words for the first time in our lives yeah when you just read them out there's no one there to tell you no that's not how you do it exactly you don't know you're saying it wrong or if you if the word doesn't look like it's pronounced that means when you hear it spoken and when you see it written your brain doesn't connect the two together you think that those are just two different words mm-hmm oh some jose is gonna is gonna point out that the t often becomes silent in sentence when americans say it it happens a lot just because of how mouths work mm-hmm we got we got loads of them over in britain we got we got loads of them all over the everywhere because language it's a funny thing a funny thing i don't i don't say like don't know i normally just say to know like how a lot of people think it's pronounced more than when it's actually pronounced muble stein that's true i just i thought on some time it's mumbo depending when you say it like the time of the day and mumbo you know you never know yeah and mutely saying it's easy come on you know it's on board it's been a while since you know if i had made the the ifap channel second channel now it would have been called mumbo instead of mula it's always peaceful more the channel will be called mumbo people but it works so well for me and that's not solely because of how much fun it is to see so i wouldn't appeal to how i just worked for me i would appeal to how it matches what we know about him and his life that he operates this way yeah reasons we just gave casually there off the top of our heads instantly yeah like a chance we are oh boy watch him have fun there's some subtlety in his performance some death max is kind of a deconstruction a look at the fuck is this other movies colors i think it was yeah into what defines the stereotypical business con man like gene hackman's lex luther hackman's lex wanted land real estate power that's all we get from him really and that's fine that's enough a perfect contrast to super man in a movie that needed to be all about clark pascal's max wants oil land power but this time we know why he's well that's a huge difference i hope it's all something else we don't know like gene hackman as far as i remember we don't know his like real core motivations i think i think it's just more like power and control for its own sake but max well is way more deeply explored than gene hackman is i actually want to have a bit about that i want to talk about max well and i feel like this is gonna be the uh uh the best uh well that's a good time because while we're waiting for him to to join the call i'm gonna pee because i drink a lot of water wait you're both going for pee that just leaves me southpaw and the shark guy hello there's shark guy shark guy um yeah i would describe max as multi-dimensional that is how i would describe it multi-channel munt muntal dementia mumble and uh since he's doing a max well segment i'll probably talk about why i think he's he's actually pretty good or at least the best part of the movie um after it are you doing chat you guys okay you seem you seem to be chill hope you're all right i'm gonna tussle your hair there i did it digitally the no daddy fringy yeah he's on his way get himself a coffee nice best thing this is coffee coffee break for e-fab two hours and 20 minutes in i'm amga yep yep i love you morally oh i'm dead oh no oh my stop mutual tussling the scenery playing cyberpunk it's fine uh oh i hope it's going well why rags hasn't uploaded for a year oh it's coming let's just you won't even be ready it's gonna hit you like a ton of bricks like a wonder woman knocking you out of a building it's gonna come right at you well do you never pee what's uh what is pee you guys anybody i think that's a letter right yeah someone said like do you feel like do i do i letter like i don't know sometimes i think these chatters are just fucking with me so me yeah Worcestershire sauce that's another one yeah words that sound strange illinois illinois i have returned with alcohol objective gamer got a boy pee muller peas during the stream i mean if i if i could do that i still probably wouldn't it just it's just it's weird when you remember those spooky images you get like early internet days of like thrones where gamers would have they just sit on a toilet surrounded by the it's just like yeah i don't have to move and you're like um moving it's not that bad you know yeah i like moving around it's pretty neat we know you use a bottle to pee uh no actually it's a series of tubes and it goes straight into the the plumbing pretty incredible actually it's impressive to look at i saw it it's crazy yeah i guess that like english is it's not really the native tongue it's more like a dominant tongue technically oh sure it's definitely dominant at this point right it's just not the native tongue though is it the most spoken language on earth is mandarin and then english i can't remember it wouldn't surprise me if it was mandarin yes so go learn that south boy you piece of shit yeah but i don't fucking have to speak mandarin anywhere that i go make your videos in mandarin sputum and tuban duban is bad hello all right well i didn't know i didn't know mandarin sounded like german metal is now crying thanks so much for offending his culture yeah look at him he's staring right at you wicked with tears in his eyes oh yeah yeah i see it fuck you yeah he's got that god of war vibe going on please no please no kratos no no kratos no kratos please kratos enough kratos max oh shit no frango oh it's the plague doctor guy i run i don't like free cast spells man you know what i love going to bed early and then like much later because my phone died and my alarm didn't go off hey at least that means you'll be energized right yeah huh you'll be ready no it doesn't i'm still tired that's what i mean damn it um doing it wrong you know i can't wait for the firmware update on humans to prevent that bug from happening yeah yeah i really wish i could sleep bless i kind of hate sleep it's such a waste of time i'm eating a banana right i could tell i knew it was especially a banana not even what is the um what is the so we're five minutes in so the main point he's made so far is uh one woman 84 is camp i don't care i'm sick of that i don't care about camp i really don't second point i think was one woman unlike other heroes what's so neat about it is that she doesn't punch people to solve their problems she also doesn't uh yes she does yes she does stop on people's chests to get information yep that's that's a point he made because my immediate the immediate point i bring up is that mcu spider man is a far more effective hero than she is because he's never killed anybody what are you suggesting she has what do you mean like that time when she's shoving a laser through aries he's not human it doesn't count i believe in love i believe in love yeah now we're up to him he's talking about max well lord um okay but is he gonna get it wrong because i do like max so is he the first thing he said when he paused on was uh he choose the scenery as an actor and that he likes that uh the counter being i think it suits the character whether or not you consider what he does to be chewing the scenery he is an animated energetic person who's trying to charm people with his his own personality that isn't necessarily his it's it might just be the result of trying to climb the the ladder if you would yeah yeah i didn't really get much of a chewing the scenery vibe from petro pascal in this movie whereas i would with jim carrey or arnold schwarz and agar in most of their roles that's very cold of you i just think there's a difference between being charismatic and chewing the scenery i don't have one for the riddler i mean your exuberants are just outgoing i'm a really outgoing drunk all right then so let's check out his thoughts on max well lord out clark pascal's max wants oil land power but this time we know why he's a victim who decides to victimize he's someone who had to say decides to victimize no that's a weird interpretation that's not a really strange so just we'll just assume that they just pour it they cram this tiny little flashback into right before the end of his decision right um like um he was a victim so he decides to victimize when his whole point is that he doesn't want his son to be victimized like he was do you remember um it's it's not that he wants to victimize it's more that he is victimizing in order to achieve a goal he doesn't care remember it's literally he's literally going around granting the world their wishes do you remember the black gold catchphrase or subtitle whatever his whole thing is life is good but it could be better yeah so if you start granting everyone's wishes everything gets better right which is the flawed perception that the film is going to address like if everyone had their wishes granted would the world be better that's a film that you could do i don't think this film does it but that is a film you could have done um max yeah i get why not let us let us deconstruct max because high top isn't going to fucking do it properly i don't think um as i said earlier max is multi-dimensional right let's start with number one being the the personality that he presents on the tv we kind of went over it very confident and charming and rich and he's like hey what i achieved you can achieve too and uh you know two degrees like if you invest in my company you will that's that's the kind of the angle he's going for but of course at the same time it's not like he's not portrayed in any way shape or form to be a person who's like i hope i can achieve through other people's suffering like that's not really the vibe you get no um and so when he yeah and when he meets people and he's just average day to day he's super peppy he's supportive but by the looks of things like he's just he's looking for everyone to have a happy time just like all right dimension two he's actually really sad and relatively angry about uh his failing business which is the underneath of that veneer if you will and i think if you were to converse with him when when the um the show isn't on you get that scene where he's talking to one of his investors where he's like motherfucker this is gonna work okay it's gonna be great like his ideals are still in place but now he's a lot less show many and a lot more frustrated because things just didn't work out even though he's trying his best to make them work that way then you got the um the relationship with his son which puts a spin on a lot of this because you wonder is this motor like is all of this because of him trying to provide a better life for his son or is it strictly for him and it i would guess that it's like he wants to be seen as great by his son this this is reading into it a little bit but i really want to give the better for the doubt to something in this film because it's so awful uh the him seeing his parents fall the fuck apart maybe he sees it as though you need strong parents in your life in order to have a better upbringing and become a better person and he wants to be that for his son perhaps so uh like they mentioned in the first scene that his son shows up is like it's it's his weekend which means that he is divorced yes so sharing custody with his son um and so trying to lead by example when it's his turn to be watching after him and he and of course uh that would lead him closer and closer to being the parents that he had probably in his mind and he's like gotta get away from that gotta be gotta be strong successful gotta be a strong you know and uh then i guess the bonus dimension would be what happens in the plot line being that he's been able to grant wishes starting with his own fixing up his business because there's a whole scene dedicated to how he wants his son's life to be great like that's his one of his primary motivations i would argue um so a a victim that victimizes is a very they talk about brevity right like hey what has he achieved well yeah but how much to interpret from what he just said you're like whoa victim of victimizes so many ways to go about sort of with that and this is the thing by the way i um i think there are flaws with how everything works in this but um but you can see such a strong idea and there's lots of work being put down for like characterization far more so than fucking wonder woman it's yeah it's a really strong concept overall um just execution needs a little bit of work maybe get rid of all the parts with one woman maybe just have max and um that sounds fantastic to me to to read out that uh super chat through relevancy max didn't start going super nuts on the megalomania until his son wished he could be great i don't think that's coincidental um i don't really agree wasn't wasn't he going nuts when he was granting wishes to uh those people in a row and then the sun scene is after that yeah it's right after it's an interesting thought but i don't think it's quite the same if the idea that it ramps up after that i think it was ramping up anyway clearly my assumption was that the being the wish stone means you have a desire to grant wishes that's like that seemed to be it he starts getting really desperate to grant them yeah i mean i would want to grant wishes if i could provided i knew could i make rules for myself could he provide the rules for his own wishes if the wish was max i want you to be great what's the trade off because they all got trade offs right also what does it mean to be great right yeah how does how does a stone interpret that great like checkers or what it doesn't seem well i think that's one of the reasons that the farm scene kind of was odd the whole thing i wish for a farm it just like dropped cows everywhere yeah for the most part it seems to be granting wishes in a pretty like well interpreted way in a good faith way for the most part relatively literal um right but um that's why the but that's the thing though is like the mechanics of the wishing thing just are not consistent at all yeah well and we are unclear when you hit like i'd say the middle of the midpoint up until kind of the end what exactly is going through max's head it's it's kind of hard to follow along with him because you like you understand all these things that build up who he is but then he starts doing things you kind of just like i guess this is happening now i don't really yeah we can follow what we can follow along with him to a point yeah and that would be where i would point my criticism because i quite like the design of this character i think if we were to redo it put in someone else and you know remove Wonder Woman and Cheetah more than an afternoon riding it yeah i think it could be a really cool story wow that's insane i mean we laugh but like i'm serious like i i feel like this film was written very quickly because it's yeah it's clearly cut plot with max's illness yeah i think i agree with that it's just funny that it's i think accurate because they didn't really think about some parts of it i can't fathom somebody writing this film like i don't and i mean i'm not sure i'm not sure if you brought it up but the fact that patty jenkins was using random twitter comments to defend her film it's like not a yeah not a good position to be in it wasn't even it wasn't a defense that took from the film it's a meta references like in hopes of trying to contextualize something is different well it was wait so meta part inaccurate because the second one was oh the the idea is that when you renounce the wish it like reverses it as though it never happened it's like no it doesn't know because the bombs that were flying through the air just blew up they didn't fly back into the silos all right it was happening in real time yeah but there were explosions that were going back in time yeah there were yeah but like i don't know you know what i mean like that's a problem is both yeah reversing back up their heart attack just stopped like are you telling me they didn't remember that how come wonder woman remembers it if nobody else did i'm assuming everyone did i don't know yeah why would anyone forget and if and if nobody forgot then this film breaks the canon oh and fun fact so we had this conversation yesterday chat but you remember a batman v superman when wonder woman says that she's killed things from other worlds before when did that when that had been happening yeah and remember he was from another world in Germany in the 19 the people you know remember the line of argument is justice league doesn't fit into the canon but that may be soon man proceeds both wonder woman films so it's worth considering all right whether or not these two films even fit into this universe properly yeah she's shot on joss we'd for like discontinued shit that's just like what have you done to and remember hightop said a writer shouldn't question whether someone has redrafted so clearly nobody did with patty and this is what we got gg maybe you should be like hey redraft it do it also someone mentioned in a super chat like there's there was clearly a cut plot line where max had an illness um with how it stood all i understood i thought it was he was taking a toll for every wish he granted and then he he used the payment from other wishes to heal himself that's that's all i got from that i don't know what the fuck they were trying to say yeah same he's yeah i wish i was healthy why is he ill he just he is from granted wishes and you're like okay yeah i'm here somewhere thinking about it and then along i'll get damaged as you wish on it so Barbara got did did does hers count as one wish or two wishes because she had her wish that gave her powers but then max gave her like oh give her your anger and all that i so if she's sitting on that cliff that doesn't necessarily mean that she actually renounced her wish right would him renouncing his wish remove the power that he gave her in that instance yeah what about what about the other one though where she this right so that's the problem is that the film gets confused it's like oh Barbara got her power it's like but but she's got hers back because she got rid of steve so it's like what the hell bullshit stupidized movie is it supposed to be that um i have max well asks her what she wants so that he can give that to her with his payment but yeah yeah but he has to take that from someone else who does he take it from i guess it gets given back kind of wish yeah honestly it's like why exactly is it that max giving her uh like more power through the monkey spot effects from all the wishes he's taking and why exactly does it also turn her into a cheetah human hybrid apex predator you but yeah you can be an apex predator you can have apex predator abilities without looking like an owl or a hawk yeah or a gorilla what have you got turned into like some apex predator that's like an ant species you know it's like well here's a predator right well let's go she go if she asks for yeah she just aren't even apex predators yeah we've talked about this cheetahs can't kill lions in fact lions kill cheetahs yes but she's a cheetah in the comics yeah that means it's justified in the comics it's like some mystical curse it's not stupid stone wishes um if they wanted to do something you know catlike i did it should have been like a mayan jaguar or something to sort of tie into the whole god of wishes and it had that mayan mythology flair to it that may well be the influence from the comics i think yeah um i just find it funny the comics accurate doesn't matter when it comes to wonder woman because he just doesn't give that much of a shit about it but when it's spider man it has to be comics accurate well we we just went over some panels with wonder woman broke a guy's neck because the lasso truth told her that was the only way wonder woman does kill well patty jenkins said wonder woman does not even punch people to solve a problem so wonder woman is much more likely to kill somebody than that man is that's for sure someone said humans are apex predators so shouldn't she ever remain the same well who fucking knows how it works i don't know if the buggy's pull was trolling it was like well i'm going to make you a cat for my point of view apex predators the cheetahs um death bullshit said you know what's weird is it's already implied that he was ill from mentioning his supplements before he became the stone um there might actually have been a cut plot line where he had an illness of some sort who knows um they kept pieces of it and it's a little bit confusing but yeah uh also yeah in that image that zaxnida shared that this was the image that was supposed to be or was going to be um the one instead of the will woman she's holding her the heads that's not i guess you could say she didn't punch anybody punch their bodies off also of course they're german oh yeah i think you mean to say evil oh yeah wait a minute wait a minute and has yet to meet steve who would help her restore her faith in mankind and love itself that wasn't she stuck in the island her whole life before she met steve you'd also wonder did the people she fought with not give her a sense of faith in humanity at all well she didn't give a fuck about her team i don't know like are all these people evil or this is that snider we're talking about the grim for adults i'm super heroine i feel like something he would come up with yeah all right then she cuts off ends i guess she doesn't like people like wow all right the of the american dream of power and dedicated his life to prove okay i don't know if the american dream is about power it's not generally how people prosperity and freedom and about power that feels like some post-hung kind of redefining of something that you just heard that you don't like because it has to do with america the american dream of power and control you're like oh that's not what that is the of the american dream that dream of power and dedicated his life to proving that he's not what the kids at school said he was that he's not what his father said he was that he's not what he thinks of himself we can understand that we can understand why he is who he is why would i yeah but no but this you lose that character around the midpoint until just before the end he becomes like a crazy person you don't really understand what the fuck's happening you don't know if it's a stone doing it to him or if he's gone mad with power in general what's his goal right here when he's standing in two grand wishes and you're like okay what is that the stone doing that to him you realize like a nuclear bomb is like heading for a bunch of cities like what's what's the plan on that you see everyone in this universe is too fucking stupid to imagine that one wish could destroy the entire universe depending on what people say but whatever like there's some suicidal maniac was pissed at the world he's like i just wish everything would be gone dude imagine thanos watch this movie be like that's so much easier than collecting all the fucking stones man they just had to touch a dude that's it when it's finally my turn i think the best comic book flicks paint in broad but meaningful person you shouldn't be showing clips of spy man why all right maybe not wow friend oh yeah all right mr knows what the best are name your top three comic book movies i'm freeing you let's see what your taste is huh oh i guess my top three would be probably spiderman helping spiderman war and um and the homecoming probably that'd be my wow look at this fucking normie ass take you didn't choose spiderman one superman normie takes one freaky what about spiderman two yeah do it i'm the same way though spider man uh it's uh sorry it's civil war homecoming and then spider verse yeah that's what freaky said as well yeah that i started by saying those are the same as i think spider verse oh well no maybe it would be civil war then spider verse then homecoming but you get the gist it's both three probably goes spider verse than civil war and then homecoming your like it's civil war wasn't even your top five did you rewatch it or um wait what when you had he's asking what's wrong with you yeah like mentally speak oh remember you made that that top five before you started digging into spider man too civil war wasn't in that top five was it uh it was not then i rewatched it yeah oh okay yeah it's it's it's way better than the ones i had listed on there it's okay to not having a top five i was just curious so it's funny because a lot of people in shatter now mentioning a bunch of other films like uh logan and the you know yeah a lot of those are really really good yeah watchman dark knight electra they're all great captain marvel the dark raises kumboy green later boy is fucking great yeah kumboy's the reason the edge of text is because nobody agrees that homecoming is the best spider man very few people say that civil war is better than winter soldier which is baffling yeah winter soldier i'm controversial i think yeah catwoman do we count something like scott pilgrim when we say comic book i think we're just referring to like superhero comic book movies not just adaptation of comic book because like technically sin city is a comic book movie yeah i guess it's worth seeing a comic book superhero i guess i don't because that's clearly what high tops going for as well was john wicker karmic i don't i think it was made a comic afterwards i think it's the kind of movie that does i heard that it's already was a comic it is the kind of movie that makes you think it would be yeah well it seems like it could be it says it doesn't say that it was based on anything on the wikipedia all right well there you go it was a yeah so there was a treatment yeah it was i forgot uh the phantom does joker count oh then shit that makes that oh yeah i'm joker then joker probably is in the top three i just never my mind never associates it as a superhero movie uh quite the same if we count joker then i think joker pushes homecoming to fourth place i think i would say it pushes spider-verse to fourth place for me yeah fair enough yeah it's hot it's tough it's tough when you have to deal with a like they're also really really good which one is just inches it out a different way it's got some nice it's a nice top i think it's the middle of the lists that are more interesting to kind of talk about sometimes because they're not all just like war versus you know something like um i don't know like uh when you're soldier versus um uh cat's marvel dr strange no no obviously when you're sold here you know um it's like the the margins of quality between all these movies is like they're so slim like they're all so so good those are quite different yeah transformers three three through five are the best comic book are trying to appeal to literally everyone satisfy every that's no because you try to appeal to everybody you satisfy nobody that still holds true for comics yeah i just want to what was the context of him saying that ain't in broad but meaningful and personal strokes you are trying to appeal to literally everyone satisfy every customer literally everyone know you're not but you need to make something you love what task it is that's his qualifier it's like appeal to everyone but make sure you make something you love it's like dude i always find it's his advice so fucking useless make sure you love it to literally everybody and like thanks man yeah rags add that too and make sure you love it yeah if you love it then somebody else probably won't i love batman and robin a lot of people do not share that sentiment they're wrong just a weird thing right because i think i think the point is trying to make is that like a lot of the greatest superhero films have really fundamental messages about like you know the human condition and doing good things um that's one thing but to say they appeal to everybody you've already they don't they can't just like how many filmmakers are creating stories because they hate it how many are doing this like make some i mean this is something he talks about as well right how like spider-man is like the sort of he's he's the street level hero he's like the person who's more like whereas tony stark is you know on his face meant to be less relatable because he's like rich so they're telling different stories you know it's like being a hero when you've got lots of resources and assets but kind of a bad past versus you know being a hero when you don't have a lot of power in the world i want to make everyone aware that um do you remember that tweet we showed on the e-fat movies coverage from boogie that said talking to a friend about one of 184 and she said my daughter loved it and then it clicked i don't think they made this movie for you and me it's made to inspire young women and it's made in that vein to be a dumb loud goofy superhero flick thoughts on this j quote tweeted boogie and said i can't stop reading this as it's made for women so it's dumb and uh apparently the tweets god now the boogie one oh boogie oh no boogie no all right everyone take a drink all right i have one made for women so it's a bushel a lot of these movies play out though it's made for women so it's okay that it's fucking stupid and doesn't make any sense well it's for kids and my media thought is like i don't know man walley's pretty smart i'm sorry you know toy story is pretty great uh toy story too is pretty great the first has a lot of problems yeah well none of them are as good as four as long as we agree on that no you and you know like i don't know why why do we gotta flangos first of all if an artist doesn't love oh i explain that truly love it then why the hell are they making it and it's so so now we've got to come up with a reason for why someone would make a movie when they don't love it it's like yeah buddy yeah have you heard about money yeah have you heard about prestige and what's the word for when you you do something for a later goal is there a word for that you're like like like so say for example zaks knighter knew that if he made a watchman that he'd get the man of steel roll so like let's just pretend for a second that he doesn't love watchman at all and that he does this because it gives him access to another project that he actually wants i'm not sure if there's a word for that but that would be another reason kind of yeah uh opportunity maybe i don't know um this i'm surprised you would ask this question i think he's asking it more of a like a fundamental moral way like why would you make something if you didn't want to pour your heart into it and you're like oh lots of reasons yeah lots of reasons and in fact i think it's it's funny because this is the writing advice that you hear a lot the idea of like for a lot of the time you're probably not going to enjoy what you're doing but you're meant to just sort of push through that i mean we read that just we didn't quote reset outlining is the hardest part but like it's the most important part sounds like outlining isn't very fun like the act of sitting there planning out the beats for each of your story there's not a lot of inspiration to be found there it's not a very fun activity but it's still necessary and if it still needs supposed to be in the same frame of mind the whole time like super giddy and excited the whole way through and it can still lead to greatness while uh in the opposite well not really opposite just conversely uh loving a project can still lead to it being absolute shit of course it can i mean how many 16 year olds think that they first like story idea is the most amazing inspired thing ever and they adore it but it's worthless like how many youtubers make short films that they you know promote as the greatest thing ever and everyone should you know check it out and promote it to everyone else because it's something that they adore and think is incredible you know do you guys know anybody who does that i don't know no it's struggling to come to mind there's probably one out there profusely clear that patty jenkins just loves this character just loves what character it's funny to say this when angry joe says that he thinks that patty jenkins fundamentally doesn't understand wonder woman well so angry joe had such a base take on this movie because angry joe is like a fan of wonder woman from the comics so this is clearly a poor adaptation situation right like yeah it's also doesn't achieve anything right characters and shambles and um oh the film still doesn't work but and it's worth both really mentioning that at that point like she she is in conflict with the person that we understand her to be in like other movies in this sequence so already we're like confused on that front rather or not the comic is on a lot of fronts it's a bad movie in and of itself it doesn't slot into the uh slot into the universe it's meant to be a part of and wonder woman isn't like this so and then you have high top being like oh john watts you fucked spider-man and what if john watts is like no i adore spider-man i just wanted to do you know this yeah it'd be nice to be he had this footage that he could play with dramatic piano music of john watts pointing at things and holding a camera to his face you know just to make it yeah just like random clips of john watts smiling on the set that's all you need yeah that's all you need and i think his like official take on on john watts and spider-man is i disagree with his interpretation i think that's what he says which is the most like pc way of saying fuck the spider bad movies from the ever see you i just find it funny like loves wonder woman what is that that's nothing she's not even a character but she is a blank character he is she is a vehicle to explore a plot sort of yeah pretty much when she takes this armor like she's like mando basically it the character makes no sense we just follow them around so that events can occur i think it's all very superficial i think people just like oh look she's so pretty and like look at her in that suit wow i feel like that's all what all you need well that's her that's her power she's superficial um yeah like people see her in the suit and it's just like oh wow whereas she has the uniform wow whereas with spider-man it's rarely oh wow look at the costume you know do you remember this by the way okay there are no guards for this suit and we don't even know what the suit does there's no introduction for this in the in the story right there they talk about the sword they talk about the lasso i don't think they talk about the shield but then this is this suit and she just takes it you're like what is this suit who did it belong to what does it do it's like it's just the woman's suit you're like okay all right why would talk about costumes did you guys see the the director of the porn parody making a tweet about the costumes or someone made a no wait someone made a tweet it's like how does it happen that the porn costumes look better than the actual costumes of the real movies and it's just for tweeting just said because i care listen the porn parodies care about the character of what a woman i had a good love when i saw it i was like fucking great the comms from so wonder woman inspiring bravery and love and the hero inside of everybody is like something that i could get really fired up about okay motherfucker you could say that about every fucking superhero in the history of humanity good job funny thing is that there are other heroes that have more interesting modifiers like yeah he inspires that but also he's a catholic so how does how does beating people to uphold fit into his morality or like yeah but he's really afraid to be killed somebody or turned into a monster so how does he have to deal with that or yeah he really wants to do this but he also kind of wants to have a life and he struggles with the responsibility whereas wonder woman it's like what's the modifier for hey she inspires you to be good it's like there is no modifier she's like a princess warrior amazon he's gonna sacrifice her hunky man meat to win the day it's just yeah again have we talked about how he didn't need to die is that i'm assuming high top will get to it if he doesn't we'll we'll cover anything that um if you want to sort of think i'm at the fact that steve trevor just didn't need to die in the first film oh uh yeah i i mean there's a couple of ways he could have yeah i don't think we have talked about so um there's like several things first would be parachutes um i guess you can get away with contriving that there just happened to be no parachutes in that plane for some reason very unlikely but okay um if the worry is they're going to go off on a timer so you can't keep it grounded and you also can't let it get to its destination then you just fly it out to the middle of the ocean i guess and then if you guys nothing had a uh that was flying to london from brussels or belgium somewhere so you can get to the water fly for probably like two hours then you've got uh if it goes in the water it'll kill everyone because of course the gas can be dispersed in air that'll be fine but you can't have it disperse in water you're like okay then uh he's only at most a mile up when he blows up and apparently everyone's safe so if he i'm assuming he can go to a a relative height and still jump out and make it um then there's also him flying low and throwing a grenade and then jumping out while while aiming high like so it'll just i don't know there's lots of things you can actually try instead he just sort of shoots in blows up i would say the main one is parachutes yep all right this this is uh this is good pixel memes here yeah oh we got some memes is that right oh shit i also found the the the the tweet of the porn director got a wonder rags um kratos metal arc fringy shark weekend and is that aries for southpaw that is uh yes yes hell yeah and um and what i'm not sure it looks like you got a little penis though at the bottom there sweet what um what is that um i'm missing the reference i guess orange arms holy shit yeah uh max will bram was not kidding we said that he cared check this out oh wait so this is what's the context for this next image that's from the spider verse porn parody apparently looks good that cost you looks like it took a bit of when you open the tweet that i tweeted where he says i care there's like pictures of the some of the costumes and someone says why those porn parody suits so fire oh apparently his comic bane is who i meant i was like yeah legit look really good holy shit yeah and yeah that outfit is uh hey you know porn porn cares too don't let it ever be said that it's otherwise you are late metal but not as late as ringy it's not my fault it's the universe's fault exactly yeah all right i'm gonna listen to that that patty quote again now and think about it think about it in the context of her describing like any hero something truly love it then why the hell are they making it and it's so abundantly profusely clear that patty jankins just loves this character just loves the comic book she comes from so wonder woman inspiring bravery and love and the hero inside of everybody is like something that i could get really fired up about i i'm i'm super passionate about it and and you know it's an honor really to appeal to the fucking john sena yep i'm super passionate about making this biography of john sena he inspires the hero in all of us he's loving and caring and it'll be like the on-screen wrestling character john sena because he's basically a superhero but that's it's so funny it's it's really superficially right you compare it to others again somebody mentioned a lot daredevil there's an interview where um frank miller is talking about daredevil and he's like you know i was i was brought into do this like crossover and they had this character daredevil and um but like i was working on it like i kind of liked it like what superheroes known for what they can't do and it's like dude even there it's like already he can tell like he actually gives a shit he's paying attention to what it is also he has something to say to remain on the theme uh when i brought up earlier how they're in a praise or con there is the implication of the alternative if it is high top saying that the film should be redeemable because the person behind it made it with love does that imply does that imply that if a film is made with apathy like a cynical nature or hatred that it should kind of just be thrown to the side no matter what it is yeah imagine you have like choker but the guy actually completely hated making that movie i was like yeah i guess i had to do it and it's like oh then it's bad i guess let's say he was bored he hates the main actor he hates filmmaking in general and he hates that film he was just paid a lot of money to do it and he accepted and he made that does that now make the film worse knowing that i don't know and uh yeah i just i just there's a lot of interesting implications when people start spouting a lot of really hyper positive comments all in a row when you start to explore what the opposing implication would be for any most of wonder woman 1984 is not afraid at all to just be a comic book and what not afraid to be a comic book it's not afraid to be bad i guess see look it's it's such a weird thing to say she's doing some weird shit on this front cover that kind of matches what happens in the movie so shut up it doesn't match though wonder woman grabbed cheater in the movie shot picking and it's worth are the parts that seem a little timid a little jaded a little untrusting of itself people are going to hate this magic wishing rock um no honestly no i don't i don't hate the rocket for what it is i i would just hate how they implemented it like the idea that you have introduced an item into the world that can grant wishes that could be interesting especially in a little bit of fucking gods i don't think that uh people have an issue with wishes being granted being a part of the story people love Aladdin well the animated version yeah true so it's clearly the input implementation not the thing in isolation so let's let us see how he qualifies but like dude hate the radioactive spider oh god space wizards space wizards we're doing it yeah here we go all right okay so radioactive spider okay uh obviously in real life can't give you powers but we give a concession to the movie because um well you have it like okay so it sounds like it exists in in our world obviously but we allow okay let's say that there is some something that's in the spider that doesn't quite exist in our world but in this movie makes it possible that whatever the like person that the spider bites they begin exhibiting characteristics of a spider being able to crawl on walls spend webs having proportional strength that kind of thing um what rags internal consistency all we have to refer to radioactive spiders giving you powers aren't a thing in our universe uh but it is in this one yeah so if somebody else got bitten by a radioactive spider and they did not get spider powers we'd be wondering why yeah we would be like what's the explanation there and if they die we'd be like oh i'm sorry i'm still hung up on the fact that uh that he just implied that like all comic books are like inferior to film before when he said like it wants to embrace being a comic book movie there's such a strong implication that it's like you're accepting a lower quality of content that's a weird thing to say about an entire medium of storytelling i'm sure he would mean it to me that it's different it is it is not work harder on the way that he says things then i completely agree with you this is this is the fucking meme it's like oh you spend too long more it's like yeah well when you say stuff like you know it's camp but what what do you what are you saying that is a defense what do you mean by camp and which parts all of it or is it just some of it you know what i mean no i don't there's a problem like i'm being concise it's like are you i want to call attention that there's a difference between a person getting bit by a radioactive spider and then this playing out on the page or on screen this is the first time that spider man ever interacts with the green goblin in the comics in the og comics okay i want you to imagine should we read along to this who wants to play so our man who wants to play green goblin rags you want to be green goblin i'll be spider man uh sure hold it fella how about giving a guy a lift spider man i've been waiting for you i knew if i flew around the city you'd be sure to investigate sooner or later okay then you found me now what's the pitch i have a legitimate deal to offer you i represent bj cosmos of cosmos productions he wants you to star in a movie he's in new york especially to see you don't take my word for it he's at the ritz plaza hotel i'm on my way but if this is a gag you'll be a mighty sorry little goblin see you later spider man as uh they're they're just having this conversation casually as what is he writing what it's it's called a it's called his broomstick in the conic his brooms that looks insanely uncomfortable to sit on yes and i would know about that yeah this is the first time that the green goblin and spider man ever meet that it's like okay so just because it's this corny right this doesn't it doesn't hit comic books don't have to be like this they don't have to be this stupid comic book is just a medium of storytelling that's why i find it such a weird thing like i know what he means he means like oh you know just dumb superhero comics it's like yeah but they're not all super it's it's it's graphic novels you know what i mean like would man i just i find it really frustrating well especially when you think about the fact that in comic books you've got stuff like mouse you know the graphic novel the one like the bullet surprise it's amazing and he's here like well you know it's just comic books they're just dumb it's like just read more comics i don't know what to tell you um i'm gonna roll it back so the rags can hear this because i think it's gonna annoy him it's gonna be funny oh boy four is not afraid at all to just be a comic book and its worst parts are the parts that seem a little timid a little jaded a little untrusting of itself people are going to hate this magic wishing rock but like dude did you hate the radioactive spider no the the magic radioactive spider was consistent in what it did to people so the rock is just like a plot convenience device and it doesn't make any fucking sense constant assumptions about how everything works then they get contradicted and you're like fuck my whole system is broken again when the leaks came out and the like the leaks revealed that the plot around this movie was going to revolve around a wish granting rock i'm like okay let's see how it goes it all depends on the execution of how the the thing the magical item that drives the plot is implemented that's it i just oh it's such a deflection like man that wishing rock it was fucking confusing as hell and you and you just chilling out with him and he says well did you have a problem with radioactive spiders why do you have a problem with this which would be like what do you hear what i said what oh do you think that was a defense i top the scent from the planet krypton i've no issue on the books hey wait what wait oh what's the problem with that let let us just play that again hate this magic wishing rock but like dude did you hate the radioactive spider the baby sent from the planet krypton no wait what's what's there to hate i think his implication is it's silly that there's like another humanoid yeah but i don't know in a universe this big there probably are like things that are identical to humans somewhere in the universe is that honestly what he's what his criticism is that these are the humanoid criticism of superman would be the fact that he is being under the sun gives him powers that might be something worth exploring a little bit more but not specifically that he was sent to earth what's the problem with that hey you know what he doesn't need to explain what he's trying to get out with these because he's being concise well he's playing he's playing classical music so you can tell this is like a segment all right let's just finish yeah fucking dumb but so goddamn amazing you're not oh yeah the comic books are dumb all right i'm like oh he's doing the thing okay yeah for he's right that's the thing where he doesn't consistently censor himself oh yeah he's tonal did that back in the day hey yeah maybe he's a big fan i don't know uh so at this point it's starting to get real confusing as to what the fuck like it's a dumb shit happening is just cool and you're like okay i feel like this standard is going to fold back on you one day hi top honestly uh in fact i would imagine you've already contradicted this in some other video at some point but yeah probably just as long as it's not spider-man you know like if it's or wonder woman clearly you know some other movie that does stupid stuff what if mind camp was a comic book what wishing rock you're mad at the and trust you to understand the damn rock when it should trust the audience and the damn rock okay i don't think patty expected everybody to put my sword in that rock is she like this is the way she thought more about it than we have like but the audience have because otherwise she wouldn't have been in this way we understand wrong with it that's why the movie doesn't why where does he think the issue comes from just the fact that it's magic really does he really think that in a world where like some of the biggest media properties feature magic heavily what's like come on hi top think for five seconds do you really think for one fucking second that's what you're doing oh wait which oh wait one at a time what is this the goat well just let it play for like a couple seconds and pick your pick your favorite no i meant i meant the panel all right the panel that i think south for just posted that's from mouse the graphic novel it's about the Holocaust oh it was one of the ones i brought up specifically to mention that it's like it's really frustrating when people just say oh comics they're dumb it's like come on man it's a whole medium of storytelling yeah no dumb like it's funny because high top is the guy who sort of goes around like i just love storytelling it's great i adore it people telling stories that they think are interesting but also this entire medium of communicating information is stupid comment books are so fucking dumb but so god damn amazing you're not mad at the wishing rock you're mad at the fact that the movie doesn't trust you to understand the damn rock when it should explain it to me please explain it right now my my stupid idiot brain just can't wrap its head around this so i want you big brain high to tell me how it works well lover of emotional content please explain it to me i need to know so also how insult what quite are you writing down this whole thing i agree it's so it's not mad at the wishing rock they are mad that the movie trusted them to understand they're just mad that she thought we were smart that's why i'm mad patty thought too much of me damn it i'm so that's the hardest movie's problem such a fucking great video high top you're nailing it i feel already Wonder Woman 84 is just climbing the ranks in terms of quality of film i i get it don't believe you trust behind the damn rock without spending 20 minutes in 20 lines of dialogue explaining and you don't need hey hey hey all right all right let me take this one got high top you're just mad that in that the mcu trusts you to understand that peter parker had an uncle who died because he didn't stop a criminal without spending 20 minutes in several lines of dialogue explaining it oh i like how he thinks the 20 lines of dialogue takes 20 minutes he said he said that and that you know so 20 minutes of dialogue and then 20 lines of dialogue on top would would yeah i was about to say right it's like when the 20 lines of dialogue fit into that 20 minutes why are they additional um so what's why you need to redraft people he's accidentally highlighted probably what we would want for the solution if the option of explaining the rock is off the table just have it behave consistently show us a rock people touch it it grants a wish and that's where it gets complicated because wishing much like i've talked about before having wish mechanics is like time travel mechanics like cloning mechanics or or hyperspace mechanic like um dimensional travel these are things we're like okay you're gonna have to make sure you you're clear about how all of this works because uh how does a wish get granted and it's like oh i want a coffee guy says hey you want a coffee it's like oh so so does it persuade people teleport into his hands or yeah i need to know what is and isn't possible and then high tops like you should just trust that you can like she's she's showing you shit and you should be able to grab it together it's like okay so i have several ideas of what this rock could do but then i see the results of it throughout the film and all of my like assumptions are all blasted out none of them make any sense like i can't actually make sense of this thing anymore well and it's funny right because when when he brings up the uh the spider it's like so what happens pita gets bitten by a spider that has been said to be radioactive and then we see the results of that bite happen you don't need somebody to say explicitly being bitten by a radioactive spider gives you superpowers because it all just plays out in a way that you can understand like we see it injecting it's a radioactive spider magic juices into his bloodstream and then he starts having spider powers like come on you don't even need to see the juice and it's funny he brings up superman it's like it doesn't take long for the films to justify superman's powers they're like yeah so you're under this specific sun and you've been here for a long time so it gives you powers it's like okay an alien from a different planet you're not human and this place comes Aladdin with with the genie i'm sorry malik but like very quickly sets up what the genie can't do and in a funny way you can't kill anyone can't make anyone fall in love can't bring people back from the dead very simple yep and with uh wish granting mechanics as well again these are things that can be left up in the air as long as we're not showing anything to contradict but with a creative license thing if i said i wish i had money what would the rock do for me like what would it provide me what currency and how much i would be curious as to and it does it come out of thin air these are these are things you don't have to explain um but they if the movie was good we probably would just be asking those kinds of questions like hey how come like how does the rock decide and then we could we could speculate maybe it's tied to what you picture in your head when you wish like i think of um i'm holding sacks of cash and it spawns them or i'm i'm in a room filled with money and it just starts to swarm my room with money it's like maybe it's dependent on the on the wisher and if everything in the movie behaves that way it's like well yeah that can work and that's what he's advocating for but that's not what's in the movie no the movie constantly chops and changes its mind it's like so fucking stupid they show it back to back a nuke like unexploding and then or unlaunching but then also a nuke exploding in thin air to like vaporize like it did both of them he Thanos the missiles some of the missiles die but some of the other missiles just go back to where they came from half and half rather condescending but hey you gotta be if you think this movie's good right i mean yeah i mean just if i could take the they take that position that'll win hearts and minds well or this is kind of like the you didn't understand what the point of the last supposed to was like oh my god it's so arrogant i mean patty trusted you wika you're supposed to understand yeah i was supposed to under she's crying on twitter because you did understand that she trusted you i'm sorry miss jenkins i didn't mean to explain the damn rock and the consequences to that damn rock i'm a simple guy you tell me there's a damn rock that grants damn wishes but at a damn price and i'm god damn in that's all i need that's all we need if we know because you're a simpleton i mean he's provided contradictory information and he doesn't even notice he's like well it's a rock qualified person to ever talk about movies ever that's why um that that's it if that's all you need and you're just in and you're gonna enjoy it i mean fuck it so how could a movie be bad we see someone wish for someone else to be dead and then the wishes get undone by the end what does that mean high top how does that make any sense and he's like it's a rock it grants wishes like that didn't answer the question high top i know you thought it did it can it can make stuff materialize but also it can't make crisp pine materialize yes and also it and when you renounce you wish things reverse except for the things that don't and blow up and remember if i said i wish there was like a concrete foundation here where there's actually currently water concrete comes up i spend the day building a house on it and then i renounce my wish does the concrete disappear my house just fall into the water or i think that's that's the problem that high tops having here like he's viewing it through the lens of a movie like no don't you understand that the reversing time communicates that it's being undone it's like yeah but remember this is a material world like i'm meant to believe that this is a world that exists like the real world where there is a progression like where time is linear and physical objects like exist in the world so when i see that i'm very confused as to what is actually happening or like when a guy walks in with two cups of coffee it's like did he teleport in to the coffee teleported to his hands what happened from where he was to where he got this is a world that is tangible and the whole like it just turned your brain off it's like fuck you i can't and yeah i can't i don't think well another fun one again i find embracing to just talk about these things because you know there's someone out there writing this fucking story maybe one of us will write a story like it one day you have oh i hope not well you know a version of it it's not a good version of it yeah yeah yeah wish for more help i wish for more help the guy turns the corner and he's like hey man i was on my way to somewhere else and now i'm here it's like okay so you had to be on your way here before the wish was made that's the only way that could work what would have happened if you weren't there you know it's like how does the wish material world it wasn't there it's like a deterministic universe of the wish stone is a part of or is aware of no it's predeterministic oh right yeah um so and that just brings in so many other questions oh we don't want to go down that path no i mean the the least harmful thing it could do is to simply create a new person who had well then there's the implications of where they live or is that space that they live and the job that they've had and it is yeah fuck what would you do just like interesting questions to think about as well with the stone that it's we're told that the stone wants to make people do wishes but does it serve the stone's interest to kill the entire world and then there's really not that's what's going on yeah and does it have that level of power we assume it does i don't see why not um all the people that make wishes for their dead loved ones to return all the people that make wishes for their loved ones cancer to go away the simple way of putting it is nobody makes a horrible wish to destroy the universe sort of thing and nobody makes a entirely altruistic wish that being unwished would probably cause way more suffering than it would uh i don't know truth what is out of the what five to six billion people that are living on the planet at that time yeah well away you know so like in dungeons and dragons i think uh some correct me if i'm wrong but i think that a wish like the spell like wish it's the most powerful spell a mortal creature could ever possibly cast it like it totally it's such an insanely powerful thing and they play so fast and loose with this concept that should be treated with a lot of asterisks and footnotes and stuff of that nature like if um chris pine had just materialized instead of possessed a person's body it would have been so much less confusing and less morally bankrupt someone said the rock is omnipotent it doesn't have to follow rules so so nothing's omnipotent that's an that is a an illogical concept it's an oxymoron a you gotta have to get over that one guys it's that it has essentially what the stone would have had to do is to have altered people's behavior before the wish was made because it knew in the future someone would make a wish that would what would require a certain setup to be prepared beforehand yeah if if someone's arguing the the the stone just moves everything around at random points someone wishes like i wish all countries were in different positions it just goes boop it's done it's like what people don't disappear when they're off screen crazy wish i love that it shifts the whole continental omnipotency is a rule isn't it no you can't i mean you can't be omnipotent it it's it it's an it can't exist you cannot yeah because of course omnipotent implies a lot of things that you could be everywhere all at once it's like well i wish for you not to be everywhere all at once it's like well i can't do that then you're not omnipotent you know what i mean yeah was the um this came out before wasn't the example you gave rags um to create a stone that can't be pushed and to push that stone or something like that can can god make a rock so heavy he can't lift it right you can't have both if you have one it negates the other you can't be omnipotent that's why most modern apologetics don't even use that well you can't be omnipotent and omnipresent that's for sure because if you have to be everywhere and you can't not be everywhere then you're not omnipotent if you're omnipotent you can make yourself not be everywhere but if you can make yourself not be everywhere then you're not omnipressed like a picture of this would be like fine super really powerful though like okay oh i'm glad you could see it all this entire argument it's also very true rags humans can't be omnipotent no nothing can be omnipotent nothing can be omnipotent no you can't be omnipotent that's why most people just use it to be like extremely powerful as opposed well i should be which is what it actually means you're not all powerful any you're not all powerful well i should be that's all we need if we can buy the lasso of truth we can buy this the lasso is consistent it's yeah the lasso is it's consistent when they accept for the whole projecting the power okay yeah that puck gets weird yeah okay okay okay yeah like the power of the lasso so so before the stuff before before like in the first movie the four aries zaps the lasso and then makes one room and see a vision um the lasso is rather consistent throughout the film it's stretchy and it seems to be able to operate on its own rather than where one like it doesn't it's not like she's whipping it it always seems to just do what she wants it to do yeah it's like an extension of her body it doesn't actually use like a like whip physics it acts and it's such an axe like a tentacle that can coil and grab things and it could move in the air in a direction it needs to and then we get to one room and 84 where she's able to use it like spider-man can use his uh his web shooters basically and it can it has like a near limitless reach the fact that it's able to like stretch out thousands of feet into the air to grab onto a plane or a clock tower or it's able to grab onto lightning it's able to grab onto clouds now it can't uh you know um withstand the the wishing stone wind tisms until it finally can yeah yeah there's no consistency with it with the lasso it's terrible you can reduce flash guys you can create magical objects that are inherently random it's called magic because it isn't twisted objects that are inherently ranting what is inherently random mean well i i think i was just somebody say that something that's omnipotent omniscient is uh beyond nature it's like there is nothing beyond nature unless if nature we mean like just things that exist in reality yeah you'd have to give a demonstration that's something outside the natural world exists and that's got its own baggage and problems as far as we can tell there is no such thing so moller there's a guy in chat saying that she didn't grab the clouds can you pull up the part where she grabs a cloud with oh well she like throws her lasso and spins it and then pulls herself towards it like it's a weird that's what happens yeah it's it's doesn't even need a cloud that makes it worse yeah i don't know how to describe what she does she spins it around like a little helicopter and then pulls herself toward it i don't you know idea as if that would create momentum yeah and the best magic systems and fictional universes have rules and they adhere to those rules it looks like she grabs the cloud though because the lasso goes straight in like towards a cloud you would think that they would put a cloud there to communicate she is grabbing the cloud with the lasso i think i think moller's just pulled up the footage she's spinning it like yeah she doesn't grab the cloud i don't know how this but i mean is it like a lightsaber she grabs the fucking lightning so i don't see why they didn't just have a grab a cloud well and that's funny right because lightning doesn't lightning just exist for like a split second and it's gone but when she grabs it's there for like five seconds yeah i just think that's because she's showing the lightning bolt the truth it looks like she's grabbing a cloud and then she grabs a lightning bolt later so like that's kind of funny actually ranks like she attaches the lightning bolt and gives it its own like sense of where it is in the universe and it just has has an existential crisis as a lightning bolt it's just like what am i what is my this is hilarious no the lightning the lightning is electro and he realizes that she needs him best is is a subjective value judgment um what a bizarre thing to say especially in our chat yeah like you can absolutely objectively quantify and identify the best thing once you have a criteria our criteria our standard has always been for logical consistency right it's kind of in the baseline so obviously that means that a inherently random object unless you want to go oh yeah well it's consistent with randomness who like an idiot like yeah but that'll that'll be the worst the closest to totally random would be the least consistent well uh you can make an argument against the uh it's consistent as random as by saying oh well it just happens to do things that facilitate the plot in this way then is that what you're saying like it's just it's random that the rock didn't destroy the universe it's random that everybody's wishes weren't uh ones that they would want to keep like fuck off i would have to ask for a demonstration if we have any information just give me some information that we could leap to that because if we don't have any information to go by that's a that's that's that's an occum sledgehammer the only that they just that's it it's like he's like you can buy this but not this like one of them doesn't i mean the lack of truth has has problems but it's in a better position than the fucking wish rock i would say that hey what if a person that uh grabs the wish rock or you know makes a wish through max lore's broadcast wish that they were dead what's the monkey's pot effect of that what's the cost it's like well are they able to renounce that wish you can't have microwavable meals anymore you're like oh that sucks oh well i think but what is it's so convenient like what's interesting about because they call the rock of the monkey's paw twice which is bad because that's not how the monkey's paw works the monkey's ball doesn't just like take things from you it doesn't get to gain things for itself yeah it's that you get what you wished for in one in a really bad way in a way that you didn't really have to happen right it's like i you know i got the rent that i needed to pay off the whatever building oh but herbert died uh oh and then i got compensated for herbert's death with the money that i needed to pay off a thing it's like you don't it's it's a curse more than it is a wish but the stone doesn't there doesn't seem to be any correlation between what you wish for in what's taken yeah that's why we're confused with what a woman losing her powers like what does that have to do with bringing steve back like steve is back therefore you lost your powers you're like um okay and then to come back to the person claiming the randomness we brought this up in the actual uh covers but if it had taken like anything else from her which you've kept the wish like if it actually just i don't know said your hair will all fall out she'd be like damn all right i'll wear a wig what's that um so that you said best magic system i perfectly understood magic system would cease to be magic so by your own definition best magic system is it magic dirt okay so you're gonna have to define magic because it is one of the most wait they think if a magic system is defined it's no longer magic say if we understand magic it's not magic anymore well so in the sense that if say for example you go back in time and shoot a gun in front of someone they're like whoa that's like magic you know no i'll explain propulsion to you however if i go this magic system you have there's three words you can say attack defend and heal or whatever um those are the three spells you can cast and they they attack deals a punch of damage defend is holding up a shield and heal just you know causes healing to effective by the time of 10 or something we now understand this magic system does that make it not magic now um the the force is literally a magic system and it works just fine in the original trilogy yeah i mean i like that qualifier magic is something that like go back dungeon dragons if you have 10 intelligence you can learn magic it's it is a part of the world it is something that you could learn how to use and how to manipulate it has rules that you could study and you can discover i mean you're you would have to define magic as you see it which might be completely different from other people's uh view of magic because magic because it isn't real is used extremely broadly extremely broadly as a concept much like you know the force is a good example to use for that i mean the the force pretty much checks a lot of the boxes for magic in that sense um i guess if they mean we find out that it works because of i don't know chemicals in the air that react to particular sounds that collect and provide a thing that the i you could still call it magic though that's the part i'm lost on even if you understand it down to like the processes chemically would like you could still call it magic in the universe i said rags only if the dm allows it so literally everything is if the dm allows it that's what the what do you think the m is and dm like it every single rule is up to the dm's discretion like he's the ultimate rule guide i'm not i i'm going by the official rules but obviously ever i can't believe i'd say this everything is up to a gm or dm's discretion so they could choose any rule that they don't want but means something that it's the basic guidelines in the rule but i wish i was here to explain the difference between hard and soft magic systems that wouldn't be relevant to what we're talking about whether or not your system is unclear but acts consistently or very clear and acts consistently that's not the point they're both called magic systems yeah that's why magic is so different across all kinds of different fictional universes with all kinds of different rules and different stipulations and causes and effects um and i think that's part of what makes a lot of storytelling really really interesting um like if you if you worked magically yes i don't need maybe like yours if you were transported seemingly at random into a a new dimension a new plane of existence where what you perceive as magic exists then you couldn't just take your understanding of dungeons and dragons or lord of the rings or the star wars and just assume that's how this system has to work um rags is the dm omnipotent yes well in the sense that it closes you can get shut up you take the rock because it's magical that's all we need if we can buy the lasso of truth we can buy this same goes how steve trevor returns don't i think this is this is kind of like arguing like everyone should be as stupid as me well he thinks he's being consistent which by the way it's not yeah because he just sees a thing that isn't real and he's like oh anything that isn't real doesn't have rules so it's all the same he's also running so hard into our territory while also tweeting about how that's just totally something he doesn't do it's like oh it's consistent is it now is it would you consider it consistent to accept anything that relates to magic there's no difference at all i just like i don't believe that that's what you think same goes for how steve trevor just pointed out right two two main types of magic systems soft and hard hard magic systems have rules explained and clearly defined soft magic systems don't you said that one's better than the other which i disagree with no it's about consistency as i said before it's about consistency you don't have to have so it's it's happened before and i guess we have to keep saying it so it sinks in in terms of objectivity we're not talking about absolutely truth and having access to perfect knowledge about everything not understanding how it works doesn't mean that it's necessarily a flaw it's when it is apparently contradictory hence the magic stone we would be cool with the magic stone if not for all the conflicting information we receive yes because then you could write off every you could write off every single inconsistency and plot hole with some extra special super secret out of material explanation that nobody could ever have possibly guessed and is not pretty to to solve every possible writing problem and that's not useful in this not good stuff nor buy the lasso of truth we can buy this same goes for how steve trevor returns don't make the rock put steve's soul in the body of some poor schmuck just make the rock bring him back to life there's no need to waste time explaining it it's a damn fucking magic fucking rock is that all we're gonna have to talk about like you just skipped over the big issue one of the big yeah well didn't you catch he he recommended patty don't do it so there you go okay but like i again yeah yeah that's a good not acknowledge it this is why it's and and didn't get like it's not not acknowledge it there's a reason to save this video it's oof well just imagine the tone of this video if halfway through it he was like it is problematic that wonder woman is a rapist but it's just a rock you don't have to explain the rules you'd be like whoa what the fuck just happened this destroys your ability to criticize any fictional universe i mean if he doesn't he doesn't like spider-man homecoming right oh no he does not okay so well you can buy the fact that someone could have magical spider powers why can't you buy this oh do you mean like he has magical spider powers why can't you buy that when the shop exploded the clerk didn't die because that's different you also you would you'd start talking about like the heart of it and you'd stuck in all wishy washy but he would be he's the kind of person in a conversation where almost every single other sentence i'd be like can you define that please yeah like what i mean when you say these words i have no idea what you mean and i don't even think you know what you mean when you say them as long as they kind of work you know what so what what happened here i was gone we just lost the wrong thing steve trevor he he says that it would have been better if they just brought back steve trevor instead of doing the whole possession he didn't address the why i agree with that yeah let's play it again damn price and i'm god damn in that's all i need that's all we need if we can buy the lasso of truth we can buy this same goes for how steve trevor returns don't make the rock put steve's soul in the body of some poor schmuck just make the rock bring him back to life there's no need to yeah do that but why it's not it is bizarre that they didn't so i'm going to send you a link to a tweet that he said about the the whole thing that you're doing here saying so not a fan of people saying that he's a rape apologist like that feels a little too strong personally i'm willing to say he's just ignorant however i mean he's still wrong but he he calls it simply first off a weird body swap gag with even weirder implications is not quote unquote rape it is right it's a it is a rape yeah it is a messy creative choice that you are reading in complete bad faith you're comparing your reading to a real fucking thing that happens to real people okay um right it still happens in that universe though so first of all calling it a weird body swap gag doesn't make sense there's no bodies that are swapped exactly trevor does not have a body he exploded 65 years ago his body is long gone he does not have one of those i can disintegrate probably which way we get the shot in a mirror where he sees oh that's not me yeah actually yeah the film explicitly points out that it's not a body swap it's possession and i i feel like i wouldn't even say it's replacing it would be i just no it's not like the dude exists physically but he as a person no longer exists for while steve's there and all i would say is like well think about it this way so imagine hypothetically that you cease to exist and somebody else took your place uh and then they had sex with somebody and then they went on an adventure that could have gotten you killed at several points are you telling me that you wouldn't have a problem with this and and if any of the excuses were well she's hot it's like oh man you really need to reconsider a lot of your ethical positions at that point but to contextualize this properly it wouldn't matter if you had a problem with it or not if you said yeah i'm happy that they did that with my body i'd be like oh well it's still wrong even if you're happy with it yeah i think he acknowledges it the way he phrased that tweet we're their implications i think he knows he's just dancing around it once you acknowledge it it's like the film's destroyed it ruins the film like this is why nobody wants to talk about it and and again it's why patty probably doesn't want to talk about it's like god damn because like if i say yeah that's the that's what happened it's like what the film's ruined well i'd be curious how far we can push this i guess because he's saying like it's a messy creative choice so if i have a scene that depicts x but i meant why am i always in the clear because of my intention because my intention to make a good movie i thought it's rate of response theory at that point what i thought intention was i thought we'll be you know what i mean like it doesn't matter anymore well yeah it's it's out of the fucking the content creators hands at that point like saying when he said i hate you he was referring to the world not the person in front of him you'd be like wow you have to sit someone said go ahead but just that it's uh you can't tell me what something is without like referencing other stuff that's in the content itself um you can't just appeal to i made it so that's the way it is someone said what is happening in wonder woman 1984 is what's happening in this movie and they talk about the host um but in that movie i only watched the lms review of it but what's happening in that movie doesn't seem to be at all what's happening in wonder woman 1984 there is no like in the host i guess an alien like controls your body but you think there are a lot of there are a lot of other problems like first in that film it's a bad thing like it's acknowledged as a bad thing that this has happened um and the alien themselves didn't like choose that they got put there uh and then throughout the film it's acknowledged like that's and that's one of those like stephanie maya books and those have a lot of weird baggage too so like the fact that wonder woman is worse than that it's weird it's like i don't know why you just got to think about it just think about it if it was you and like your autonomy was gone how is that not like one of the worst violations that there is yeah and wouldn't it be funny like he steve driver left the guy in the middle of a fucking riot what did yeah if he left the body and the guy's like where the fuck am i what is this how what is happening right it's so the film just glosses over that but it's not it's funny it's not cinematic if they just have have him uh be dropped off at the guy's apartment and the thing is like we we're only talking about that one scene there was the fact that steve steve willingly puts this guy in mortal danger over and over and over again like remember it's not your you're not just gambling your life you're gambling this other guy who never agreed to participate in this i feel like people don't don't shit on steve enough for his responsibility in this too yeah because he should have said like oh no this is wrong like you gotta you can't let this continue but um so hmm so if the issue here is steve putting the body in danger could someone say that it is worth putting this body in danger even though i stole it because we have to stop max well that needs to be in the movie though i agree about it that's the problem yeah i just don't acknowledge it at all i agree i think that would make it a hell of a lot if they had this conversation if they were like this is a guy's life we're playing with and then you'd be like we would like do we really have a choice we're trying to save the world and that's like a whole storyline there you can yeah there's a story there for sure it's a pretty interesting one as well that's a compelling and very dramatic moral dilemma for the heroes yes that would be great yeah that's actually really even recognize that there's a problem wonder woman never acknowledges there's another dude whose life is being played with no no no she does while they're in bed she's like i think i agree with friend here my boyfriend is in another man's body she literally says like that this is the case but not in a way that indicates this is wrong indicates yes see that's the problem right is that the film like if if they did it the other way around where she didn't realize that he was in another person until after it happened it's like that changes a lot at that point and then you can sort of you can be like well she didn't know and once she finds out she's really concerned about it um you can salvage it the way that they do it it's basically you can't fix it at all it's a it's like a more it's a massive flaw with this film and i have another thing another curiosity do you think the reason that they had very specifically diane leaving chris pine behind that pillar in that building walking away out to the street having her renounce the wish out there was their way of sort of like not having to worry about showing what happens to that body yeah yeah well that on top of the fact that imagine he comes back and he's like whoa what where am i what happened and she has to riot where am i she has to acknowledge like a riot man oh she's at home also does he not have any relatives parents people he knows that he's missing he's just fucking gone he's lost his job obviously because steve wouldn't get so when he was in the house with their footage of him there is he gonna get called up by like the fbi to get asked some questions about what happened there or stop thinking about it it's a fun body swap gag it's not a body swap gag yeah there's no body to swap there's a reason why most films frame it as a bad thing when this happens like in horror movies and stuff it's body i want to get back it it's not good freaky i mean there's you know it's a kind of yeah the whole point is they're trying to get back in their original kind of body but the thing is there like at least with that it's like the person hasn't lost autonomy it's just been swapped so it's like not even as bad because they're still changing the world who can impact things and that's the i think the final part to this is we they the characters do not know the state of this guy right now they don't know if he's been poofed out of existence or if he's trapped inside the body unable to act in any way he can just experience i think they should have taken more than one afternoon to write this i agree with it seems like it's come across that way yeah they didn't even they named the guy handsome guy that's the thought they put into the character in so many coats character yeah it's a joke they treated this guy like just a vessel come on y'all remember quest for camalot yeah actually i do for camalot so it always bugged me in quest for so quest for camalot there is a um there's a dragon oh no i'm joined there is a there's a two-headed dragon in each of the dragon's head it's just one normal normal dragon body a hominid kind of body uh two arms two legs two dragon but it's two heads and they're brothers and they have different personalities and they kind of don't like each other but then by the end of the movie they're going to really really like each other so long story short there's a there's a burst of hooray magic at the very end spoilers request for camalot and um they separate right they each get their own body a body and a head each of them are they're they have their own bodies now but while the magic is still pulsing around they both hug each other and embrace and then their bodies reform to their originals and now they are both two heads sharing the same body i do remember that and that always bugged me as a kid that always really bugged me because i would never ever ever want to share a body with another person as is a head sprouting out of me like i finally got their own bodies but they're like no you're great bro and they i don't know so i said that's quest for camalot yeah it is correct uh but yeah i uh we should watch that again sometime and take that haunting image at the end and talk about it yeah it's always bugged me as a kid it'd be interesting to have a body swap story where they actually enjoy being in each other's bodies and they prefer it that way and they agree to try and make that permanent yeah anyway it could be a it could be a fucking trans allegory or something to move on he says you're not saying this because you care about the victims of sexual assault you're saying this is a gotcha to those who didn't read the body swapping as malicious a gotcha sorry as malicious a gotcha to people who liked Wonder Woman a Wonder Woman movie that you didn't well the big hole i don't want to be nice to people respond the big problem was when i saw people respond with bad justifications like oh this reveals a lot about your actual worldview hey hey alex congratulations on your new found telepathy skills yeah um this is a pretty pretty damning actually to be like you don't care about victim sexual assault you just want to shit on people who like Wonder Woman yeah wow so it's like so the analogy that i used was i don't have to constantly think about um domestic abuse or donate money to charities for domestic abuse survivors to think it's kind of fucked up if a movie depicts domestic abuse in a flattering light yeah yeah it doesn't take much character from you alex it just be like that was bad what happened in the film and it's it's fucking wrong that it was uh not addressed in a you know respectful way the reason that's all we're getting really pissed right now is because there's a lot of people that aren't seeing that and are actually denying it and kind of gas lighting us into thinking that it's okay and that was bad so it's not right it's like people actually do have these retarded views well yeah and it happens all the time whenever uh like a conventionally attractive uh female teacher sleeps with a male student like high school or we'd be high five in him you know that kind of thing yeah so so a handsome man he can't rape a woman yeah apparently if you're uh it's it's it's not it's never rape as long as you're conventionally attractive donate here instead of like well he probably like there'd be people like well he probably would have been cool with it if he was there it's like yeah but he wasn't there so it doesn't matter whether or not he would have been cool with it and they didn't know that like i feel like people don't understand these things sometimes about the whole idea that your intent matters a lot more than like the actual act itself what you intend to do nice that is a south park episode if you were offended or triggered by the body swapping scenes and you have every right to be upset but if you're someone who is using rape and assault as a diss to those who did not read the movie the same way you did then from the bottom of my heart fuck you so again it all depends on your intent it doesn't matter about like what the actual action is well i intended i intended to save germany god he's so wrong he's just like just in this entire subject but it's it's like he refuses to see it he's like no i enjoyed the film you're like okay but it's a little bit more complicated than that without talking about whether or not you enjoyed it these tweets have a range of a thousand to five hundred and ninety five likes it's insane people are desperate to try and uh the space cowboy just damped me and said what what if handsome guy was gay yeah what if he has a girlfriend well like i said our characters don't consider any of this they don't care that's the problem yeah that's they never talk about it they never even acknowledges in the issue this is an issue that people noticed as they watch the film not something that was addressed in the film the same people go ahead the same people who will act like oh well if you make suggestive comments toward a woman if you ask her to smile if you lightly touch her on the shoulder whatever they if those you know that's rape however this this totally isn't rape like actually like annihilating a person taking over their body without their consent and having sex with the body like that that's definitely not rape but those other things those those are those touching a woman's map and going you need a ride darlin that's sexual harassment this however a okay there's no bias going on here at all you know one to attack people criticizing a movie and then the other one to attack people criticizing the movie but they portray opposites it's it is kind of unreal that um because brown table did tweet about his concerns over the one woman scene it's just that uh he was he wasn't very vocal compared to fucking calling the dot what the dog did sexual harassment so a bit more aggressive i just i do think it is this situation with this scene that it's a really awkward moment and i was wondering i might have mentioned this before like uh imagine you made like a massive film and you release it and for some reason nobody on set nobody in the editing process nor you picked up on this um and then the film comes out and then people like um there's this thing in this film that's like kind of destroys it what what do you do at that point as the filmmaker you know what i mean how do you how do you i mean like in one second you're like oh no my film is like ruined i don't know how how are you supposed to deal with that i do wonder just want to highlight that jonathan birdette is a way more principal person than high-topper brown table yes the way it's just recognizing insane like there's no reason for it to have happened this way at all both in universe and out of universe from a writing standpoint and by the mechanics of the wishing rock there is no reason to say that whenever you wish someone back they have to come back and like is one of is one of the is one of the properties of the rock that it cannot alter like matter but we know that it's add to it because it springs that it springs that wall out of nowhere so that's true it springs fucking nuclear missiles guys it's that power yeah creates more news that's true yeah it takes yeah it has no reason not to make a human being yeah it's something like one or two rockers there's like this the shot way where they have the map that shows all the rockers like it's like fucking hundreds will be can create matter anyway yeah i guess i'll just conclude that he didn't have the balls he just didn't sorry alex grow some balls comment on what exactly what the movie did and condemn it and then also talk about what you liked about the movie grow some balls waste time yeah he's dancing around damn fucking magic fucking rock fuck the rock for a second the point is i don't care about how steve is back you don't care about oh yeah i was given so much charitability that it's just like it's funny as well because uh the efem movie is already out you so guys you saw in the moment reaction we were all like no no no no this is wrong exactly that was our all the way up until this apartment scene even afterwards but until she meets the guy uh or from the moment she meets this guy forwards for multiple scenes we're like you got to explain this like where is this other guy and we're trying to generate options like we're like oh it could be this could be this could be this it's not horrible yet they could still argue that it's just a new body they just generated a brand of new body mm-hmm well that's the thing if a person is not a character in a movie then it doesn't matter if they don't have a name if there's a personality that's defined it doesn't we don't have to care about them at all we don't have to care about the fact that this is a person with a life with feelings or anything like that you haven't gotten so testy over what we say about film and story and everything and then you have him saying like you don't care about this like what yeah what i feel like we have very often and i especially think so myself i i feel like i've been really in all of us we're sort of concerned about like uh collateral damage in movies innocent people being killed for no reason uh repercussions of things that's a big i think that's a big sort of focus of what we talk about a lot i mean consistent with people that complain about the collateral damage that happens all over man of steel's uh climax and then you also have the common complaint of the amazing spider-man 2 being uh spider-man just dicking around with rhino and not doing anything and that causes more people to get killed than would have happened otherwise yeah it's like as far as i can care about a fictional character i don't really know anything about i still don't want random characters in movies to just suffer horrific consequences for no reason especially if the film doesn't recognize that even happens yeah because like when you watch a film and you're getting absorbed into it and you're like in the experience you treat it as though it's like a sequence of events that's actually happening that's what good that's you know the kind of thing that you try to give to all stories and so when this happens it's there it's a gut feeling of just like oh you know what i mean like if hulk just went out and started brutalizing some civilian you wouldn't be like well it's a movie this isn't real and you don't actually care it's fine i could see high tops with he's a giant green man why do you have a problem with this you know we get this in the Mandalorian the first season um a lot of you probably don't know about it which i wouldn't blame you because they only it's only just like a passing line that they give but when the Mandalorian when mando when he returns with his beskar prize um to get his suit of armor made um one of the other Mandalorians says you know we have to live underground only going up one at a time and i'm like damn they they live under here in this essentially sewer this underground he's underground catacombs and they only go up one at a time and that makes me feel really bad for all of the Mandalorians who aren't the protagonist like they have to live their whole lives in these subterranean rooms and they can't go outside and do things yeah i feel bad about characters it's horrible well i don't know he just said you didn't so who am i to trust rags who am i to trust high top seems to lack one woman's super power of empathy yeah fucking rock fuck the rock for a second the point is i don't care about how steve is back you don't care about how steve is back we care about what him being back means that would that would qualify okay so here's the thing all right here's what it means that what an insanely stupid thing to say what it means that steve is back is that some random guy got annihilated and wonder women and steve are both okay with that yeah that's what he's back how he's back and what it means are like tied together that's like headache inducing that he just weirded it that way jeez fuck christ because what he's referring to is what does it mean for wonder woman to have her love back temporarily irrelevant of everything else that's what he's talking about he but he described it as what does it mean it's like do you understand how many things it's covered when you say what does it mean there are there are consequences that are not just emotional to the viewer there are consequences that take place in universe that is all the information that you use to draw all of your emotional responses and if you just choose to ignore some just to enjoy some others then you're just not being consistent don't think that's good criticism to just do that to just give a pass to things that you might think are uncomfortable or to arbitrarily just say that you don't care about it when it has horrible implications that are the things that I don't like but it's okay and the things I do like again you would not be cool with this happening to you yes if you would not be okay with it happening to you then like that's just that's I mean that's that's empathy right there you know you could imagine what it must be like for you and when we talk about the film like what it means to Diana it's like well missed opportunity here because you could have a grapple with the fact that like there was trade off a very clear and obvious trade off to bring Steve back it could it could even mean that she's not losing her powers and that the trade off is literally just like well I can't I can't abide this it's funny because like the Marvel movies do this a lot more whether it's like can't abide a certain circumstance or can't I mean even in infinity war where it's like we don't trade lives it's like yeah that's worth exploring as an idea totally is it worth killing vision to save the universe whereas caps like well to know my principle is that we don't trade lives even if it is risking the universe and he sticks to that principle and what's the cost he loses same with civil war you know when Tony is like I needed you past tense like you said we'd lose together we lost and you weren't there it's like oh man it's kind of funny how like in-game which is like a two out of three out of ten movie probably still working on way better levels than Wonder Woman yeah I want to I know I mentioned this before but it's just reiterating the whole the concise meme right so if I write down in my script we don't care about how Steve came back we care about what it means I would read that back to myself and be like oh that kind of hmm I should probably strengthen that up that kind of sounds dumb like I should probably be and if I end up strengthening it up it equals out to a paragraph instead of that sentence it'd be like so be it I want to make sure you understand what I'm saying yeah exactly so the hot the hot tip with script writing is it shouldn't be a stream of consciousness it should come across like that but you actually put more thought into it than just blurting out the first thoughts in your head yeah read it out and think do other people know what I want to say with what I just said yeah because I'm being charitable what I was like he's talking about it means to her specifically in isolation because like otherwise he sounds like a fucking moron like that's the only interpretation and it doesn't even make sense with the words he used because that's that's not what they mean but hey what I minutes of steanna flying I care about their electric chemistry and love and it's clear that's what patty cares about it's clear that's one of the yeah but doesn't love that random guy she doesn't love that dude but Jesus man trying to advocate for like the feelings of these people in this fictional universe at the expense of all the other people in this universe do you not see the contradiction yeah one of the major reasons people love the first movie there's no need to wait I agree Steve Trevor probably is the reason people paste everyone's time explaining the absurdity just let it be no fuck you him with your nose paper yeah yeah lame the idea of just like do whatever you want basically as long as you feel like it's cool it's like you got to put in a little bit more effort than that you really do your ideas aren't just by default awesome because you had them and you like them and you're passionate about them that's not how anything works not just jump to an extreme shall we the same same payoff in TLJ but right well whatever film he likes right just take a film he likes right before the payoff your main character jumps up into the air naked and destroys a bunch of planets with his dick laser and then he comes back down the phone carries on dude just ignore the absurdity the meaning of what was happening it's still there what I mean when Peter Parker in spider-man 2 jumps off with his dick laser what's my fire part of the movie shut up I don't care how Palpatine return you don't care about this return the filmmakers definitely don't care about how Palpatine return what matters is what Palpatine's return represents story yeah there you go so for anybody out there who thought this is a good argument it's not somebody in chat this same weirdo he actually asked a not very bad question at all kind of shocked he said hypothetically if they found a suicide note in that guy's apartment as in he was possessed before he could kill himself would that fix this and I think that it could but it depends on the execution so bed scene still doesn't happen I probably well here's the thing well I mean even if that even if that would happen at the end they just ditch him she just ditches him and then he's just gonna kill himself anyways true though I would say it does help and what I would also say is if they had a scenario where the like the magic of the rock is such that it will bend the universe in small ways in order to have its wishes happen right little things at a time it wouldn't be instant it wouldn't you know but it would eventually happen piece by piece right you have a guy who's going to kill himself he's going to shoot himself in the head right and right as he's shooting himself in the head the the the round is a dud it clicks there's no bullet but the guy has committed to this 100% entirely and at that moment Steve Rogers gains possession of this guy's body and he's just left standing in a bedroom with a gun to his head but not doing anything he's standing there totally confused that would be way better than what they have here well are you arguing yeah that could be a whole movie yeah yes it could yeah are you arguing that like possession of your body is essentially forfeit once you've pulled the trigger in that scenario in a sense that it would be way way better but I would say that once somebody has fully committed with their consent to destroying their body's ability to basically to kill themselves at that point it would be better I wouldn't say it's I wouldn't even I don't know if I even say it's good because you still have the repercussions of that person existing on as that person right and someone killing themselves you there there is an like their impact in the world doesn't just magically disappear because you killed yourself that has impacts and things like that and if Steve Rogers was to continue existing he would essentially replace what would have been the rest of that guy's life and that would change that I think that's the thing right it's worth considering about the idea of you as a person do you have the right to remove yourself entirely from like the universe basically um so like do you have the yeah I think that would be very very it'd be better it would be totally it'd be very interesting I think that's a certainly an improvement yeah and then at the end when they have like the little face off that he's like man I had a really rough thing happening I was about to kill myself but then I don't know I kind of passed out was a dud and I thought about my life again and actually I don't want to kill myself well yeah I don't know yeah exactly yeah that you could do something like that again if the magic is that it's sort of just like you know sort of sprinkles its little magic everywhere and influences some people's thoughts or maybe well maybe that bullets a dud maybe this one isn't you know maybe he's still going like it's ripe though well I'm thinking like uh you have yeah because of the fact that he shows up afterwards and he's like alive and well you almost have like a like a blueprint for an interesting story idea where he tries to kill himself and then right before uh well like again the bullets are done and he gets possessed and he's still somehow is like somewhat conscious even though he's not in control of his own body but he's at least able to kind of experience like a I don't know a more adventurous life through what happens with uh like what Steve and Diana do in this movie and then he can I don't know come to some sort of conclusion that life is worth living or whatever like I bet you know you have to change a few things still of course but that's still an interesting idea for a story that they could have done yeah I mean it'd be totally different it's hard to come up with something that would be like worse you know they if they if they insisted on the stupid idea that it couldn't just manifest and thank you chat they they kept saying I kept saying I kept calling him Steve Rogers um well he's played by a press so yeah but but it would be um you it's you could tinker with the idea and make it better yeah I mean as someone just mentioned it's like the the way we would want it if we were to just maintain he comes back is just he shoots the gun in Wonder Woman 1 there's a flash and then he's back with her and he's like what the fuck so so that everything that was supposed to happen in the first film still happens but he's teleported to her and then sure she has to lose her powers so then it's just to give him up to get her powers back they don't even execute that well to be honest with you I don't yeah so much just poor execution in this film unfortunately mechanical issues like how does this even work someone someone said so rags support sacrophilia there's no dead there's no corpse involved with anything that yeah yeah necrophilia doesn't know where you got that relate to like if if we were able to swap consciousness like altered carbon with the stacks if you could literally just like freaking I could trade um the moment that my stack isn't in the body doesn't make it necrophilia if the body's like surely it relates to the actual like living organism rather than the operating system if for lack of a better term like you know like comatose patients that wouldn't count as necrophilia as far as I know now neck neck rose greek for death so you gotta you gotta fuck a corpse to do that corpse timer um but yeah let's see yeah there's interesting stuff to work through with there like I said I think it'd be I think it'd be really interesting if like the instant steve trevor was going to die in world war one he suddenly appeared same position same clothes same items on his hand yeah it's like he pulled the trigger of the gun and then boom he was just in 1984 and just flops onto the floor and right in front of her super confused and that's uh how you see awesome to have him like panicking and he takes a while to actually adjust and we just focus on that but this is the problem with this movie that I think a lot of us understand because people compare it by about three right but it's like if we focus on max well we've got no room for cheetah and barely any room for wonder woman if we focus on wonder woman and steve and the moral quandary of taking a body or his recovery from will war one with ptsd and just adjusting to a new world while defeating some villain it's like these are all just films on their own that we need to give lots of flesh to it's it's insane how many things are in this movie that are terrible but could work on their own perfectly fine execution matters or just in all the goofy stuff guys it's a comic book movie so i should say that steve should just understand that he died a long time ago and doesn't belong in 1984 I don't agree that's not it's not like you don't belong in a certain time period in any sort of intrinsic sense I wouldn't feel that way if I if I died in will war one and came back in 84 I would be like shit bad is this like for real could I right now and then came back in like 2100 and there's cool hover cars and stuff like I'm long here no free you're supposed to believe no I belong in 2021 with this fucking shithole world that we live in now that's just that I feel like the body snatcher thing was done literally just to make a gag about the clothes he wears could be could be that amount of thought could be uh which would be really unfortunate but well I guess we can carry on yes really halfway through fuck yeah time has flown by dude I didn't realize we would be going to four hours it's been this has been fun high job the absurdity it is like I said profit from really bad as well yes just let it be absurd party most everyone's issues myself included will come from things that was a bad example of absurdity shots like of him with dynamic with shitty weird lighting crazy lighting yeah always crazy light that's high tops thing I'm sure when he becomes a famous director we'll all know JJ Abrams lens flare Tarantino overt violence high top Alex weird lighting there's your tetanus yeah because like you couldn't even sum up like Quentin Tarantino right you couldn't even sum up his style in a few words you're like man so much goes into it actually I felt bad saying extreme yes it's so he does so much more than that but okay I was gonna say foot shots yeah yeah that's that's a part of it a fucking fantastic dialogue that's another part of it and crazy unconventional stories I like Tarantino I'm not even a huge fan of all of his movies but make more please I like all of them and one I pretty much like all of his movies but not all of them are good that's that's what yeah that's all no it's not at all I'm pretty sure everybody has at least one Tarantino movie they're like yeah that was shit most everyone's issues myself included will come from things like this come from a screenplay that feels very rough that feels like they started what do you mean when you say it feels rough why does she need to be wearing wires here because she gets pulled by the woman I guess this is behind the scenes yeah yeah I know but why does he's asking if you remember I could tell by the IMAX camera but I'm wondering what why does she have the wires the lady when the lady grabs her she like lifts to a meter and a half off the floor I think and so I guess they just used wires no they didn't but it looked more epic I guess I don't think we were laughing but I mean though she's like saying it's rough I'm like good job everyone has to wonder what you mean by that this is the this is the difference between like making an indie film right where you have another an adult woman stopping a little girl from running where you would just have an adult woman stopping a little girl from running and in a a real proper Hollywood blockbuster you've got the IMAX camera you have the the wires to lift her up that you see gi out later on like yeah that's real filmmaking right there that's a question about the team who said she's a puppet it's a metaphor that's how she's used she's not a real character she's just a puppet isn't ironic that people who are constantly know that the I go ahead rags it's fine yeah all right I just burned my gratitude but um the uh isn't it is it weird that the whole message of the scene was no hero was born out of lies and they have to like CGI out the little ropes well it's just funny to think about now when it comes to films just like how much of it isn't real like most of the environmental shots have CGI now in movies wires always get and pulled off taken out and everything replacing people's faces with like on the stunt doubles isn't like super crazy about don't serve a purpose tom cruise does his stunts yeah isn't he like crazy about that that it was like I want to do I want to jump over that mountain I want to fly I think um I think when in Mission Impossible 4 because he climbed the birch califa the insurance company you know the payout like if somebody dies on set they're like we don't know and so we fire them we've got a different insurance company yeah I want to find birch califa um I want to learn how to fly a helicopter for Mission Impossible 4 and he did well the thing is that uh they they tried they tried getting um like actual professional uh stunt helicopter pilots to do the sorts of stunts that like they told them what stunts they wanted to do with the climax of fallout and they refused and so tom cruiser said he's going to do it himself it's funny because when I watched that film I'm like oh that's CGI and then I later find out no that was real it's like dude it's the cry makes the films exhilarating the uh the only thing that is CGI in the the halo jump was the clouds which they kind of had CGI in because they can't actually jump into a thunderstorm captain b-swing has a good tom cruiser should play child diana yeah wouldn't eat the strings then there's a rags no rags no hero is born from a lie is told to a girl they didn't tell was the god killer yeah we yeah can we say that so we said it in the stream coverage of dream yeah we didn't notice it in the initial viewing like I think I think I was the one who pointed it out you were indeed it's quite a hilarious connection you are the you aren't the god killer all right and again I believe in love and shoots a laser they're both dad films guys I believe in love shoots later it's like a truck of peace yeah it's it's they're just so unaware of it when they make them it makes it that much more funny things like this come from a screenplay that feels very rough that feels like they started shooting the billion dollar sequel to the billion dollar beloved smash hit a little didn't make a billion dollars barbara barbara what do you mean they shot wait no sorry barbara the the film so from what I remember the film was shot in 2018 a year after the first film came out they had a year all right really it's right this yeah wow they had a year all right I'm curious if um actually that that scene where she's lifting the bar up and you could see that the bar is from the weight of the weights is that a curved bar to make it look like it's actually that I think I think they probably did do that you're right I would imagine so I'm curious when she drops it if you could see it sort of when it spins that little curve in it actually you carry on I'm gonna check this out I'm a little bit curious if they did that cheetah I'm very mixed I love the camp I love the callback to Michelle you know Tim pool is very mixed I don't know if you guys heard how is this a callback to shellpifers this is an archetype it's a cliche it's a callback because it's a woman who drops stuff okay that man returns is better than wonder what would I say for fuck yeah um the the thing is a lot of people reference how like oh yeah patty jaykins is clearly referencing several different movies throughout the movie it's like do you get points for just being a reference is that how that works I know then family guys the greatest show ever made then I guess sweet you did it comedy has been saved you know I love that she's to be like Diana and that's the beginning of her transformation I love her resentment resentment at a world that has ignored her cat called her made her feel small and scared insane but you know he but the thing is here um her frustrations come out because of her lack of humanity isn't it that gets drawn away from it because of the case not yeah I thought that was how it worked that's what the film says so because like her arc is I'm downtrodden and lame and not pretty and not looked at and now I am what will I do with this newfound position also I've lost my humanity I'm crazy now don't think about the rock don't think about the rock guys don't think about it don't think about the rock just want to highlight that he mentioned that that the world ignored her and cat called her and that's the beginning of her transformation I love her resentment resentment at a world that has ignored her cat called her made her didn't didn't see her for what she was inside or something like that they didn't really draft oh yeah that's the thing though he what does he rely is that what being concise means you rely on everyone else to interpret what the fuck you're saying is that it so really you're outsourcing the words on the people's heads yeah who by the way I looked at the bar of the lifting it up it is inconsistently bent as she's kind of lifting it up and putting it down so I don't I don't know what's up it could be rubber it could be yeah they could have had multiple props I'm not sure but I was just curious it's not a maybe there are wires on the barbell behind the scenes it's very it might be but if the yeah if the wire was in the middle it would help with that effect all right bobber's going to jail right she assaulted white house stuff yeah she's going to jail for a long time forever probably forever so it's wonderful yeah this max will lord come out like on on top like he well he's screwed he's going to jail to show he's behind so much of this bad shit you're feel smart scared and now she is lashing out what I don't know she's lashing out because she lost her humanity though lost her humanity yeah that doesn't count I don't think this is kind of why I think it's a little bit lame to be honest I have lots of positives say about max well storyline I don't really for her this isn't interesting to me if if it's like the stone made you evil you're like okay she's evil then I guess I don't I mean it's it's yeah because it's like if the stone made her evil I feel ugly I want to be pretty popular and then she removes glasses evil yeah glasses now evil now I'm a cat lady yeah and now I'm I say wait wait if the stone made her evil then out of everyone on the world why would she be the one who would one of the people who'd renounce her wish just saying she wouldn't make sense yeah well all of the fucking evil terrorists and all of the horrible people everyone remember everyone renounced their wishes anyway so far more evil people it doesn't make sense did the terrorist who was like I need more bombs well dude if there was a Filipino there that said we need our own missiles that was funny to me yeah well come on weekend you want your own nukes yeah of course yeah I'm the deterrent uh if the argument is though that everybody did because she showed them the truth through the lasso connecting through touch through all the blah blah blah it's like I'm pretty sure you're gonna change the world forever if you did something that made people see a truth that made them decide not for to pursue their greatest wish like you've probably altered everything forever what if the truth they saw was like a lion eating a gazelle it's like this is nature you know what about the people who aren't watching a tv screen no it touched everybody all right the the signals are so what if you were touching the tv screen you made your wish and then you went underground because of course we're only dealing with the entire planet so it's not like there was one person who did this what if someone wished that things just stayed the way they were they like it yeah that's pretty good I wish I ever changed I wish I wish know what else his wishes worked what about the guy who had his company stolen by max what he was like I wish for max to die and then he dies it's like is that well I wish that you know wishes could be reversed anymore remember guys the stone is omnipotent this is the problem with omnipotence that we're talking about right here two people cast a wish at the exact same time that want opposite things it's like uh oh the the stone's like oh fuck guys really could you could you wait a different the stone just puts them in turn into her room it's like sort it out problem with omnipotence I guess it would put them into the call of duty um what's the thing you go into and do like yeah that rust yeah it could be like it to have the power to do those or actually I don't know you know it's fucked up it's all fucked it's everything fucked all I wanted to say was uh she kind of sucks in this film and there's not much to really save she's very basic she is I'm sad no one pays attention to me and now they do you're like all right and now I don't want to give that up also I'm evil also I'm evil yeah that's it it's it's max has a whole bunch of shit going on and I'm not saying he's like revolutionary just that I don't have anything to work with I have as much to work with her as just a blank slate really she's just a female version of electro yeah that's it I am by the way someone someone in chat asked what our bible verse of the day is so figure I'd read it out it's very you know is what we got stop trusting in man who has but a breath in his nostrils of what account is he Isaiah chapter two verse 22 but a breath in I keep him in my lungs not my nostrils fake and gay that's your opinion I hate you what I don't love is what the film says about that she beats an abuser to a pulp and we are supposed to take that as a step too far it is it is uh yeah what what is revealed such insane morality and wait he's wait you pressed a threat you don't get crazed humble them to death like that's not how self-defense works he's he's and the film says it's bad that's bad yeah that's what he's saying he's saying that he disagrees with the film saying that it's bad no yeah no way let's rewind this just yeah call their meter feel small and scared and now she is lashing out what I don't love is what the film says about that she beats an abuser to a pulp and we are supposed to take that as a step too far I understand what they are trying to say love over hate compassion over punching but at the same no no it's not about love over hate it's about like relative levels of justice yeah when you pause it dragged him back he's on this arc and he just went forward and back like oh my god how is he so wrong about everything so this is one of those yeah you need to have a fucking word with yourself mate this is really this ain't it's like one thing which are fundamental ethics thing right it's like is he a bad person yes should you be able to suppress this threat yes does that mean that you have the right to beat them to death it's like well you don't have the right to kill people that's just jump to an extreme someone's poking you all day in school you just sit and then they keep poking at you if you slap them real hard to make them stop I probably like yes I could I could see that why you did that and how you'd think that might stop it if you killed them you're like uh I think you took that a little too far just you slap them then you kick them in the groin and then you shove them to the ground and then finally you pull out your gun and you shoot them right in the head it's um incredible that he would argue this people are the most morally defunct I've ever seen it's like it's monstrous I look at that fuck you kind of wonder what I mean he's dead do you know how you have to kick someone to make this happen you need to highlight the amount of force required to make a do that all in this foot do you know what that means I love that this is still a better arc than the one that one Roman goes through in this movie please stop this movie reviewers all you have to do is not mention how shitty your morals are and I can we will be fine I mean the like that's the thing even when we were what I don't really see this film as a girl power or anything like that pro woman thing there's some little bits in there but it's not like it's nothing major but like especially because this film the strong stances that this film takes like this scene far overdue the you know the little stuff this is an act of villainy and even fucking patty Jenkins is able to recognize that yeah props to her she didn't portray this scene as a girl power scene Jesus yeah not you shouldn't get props for that but I guess in this day and age you do because Jesus now if you wanted to have it both ways then all you could say is this is one of the first examples of her she coincidentally walks by this guy again and he's clearly been drinking and he goes up to her and tries to you know feel her up or he won't you know whatever it is he's going to do and so she like pushes him away and she realizes she's really strong and he falls back stumbles back maybe he goes over the hood of a car you know nothing serious and then he's just he just sort of collapses and stumbles because he's half drunk anyway and she looks at her hands and she's like wow you know this can't believe that and then the scene carries on right he sort of gets a relatively acceptable level of comeuppance she discovers that her powers are getting stronger but I mean I think that's the fundamental misunderstanding here that Hytop has it's like this guy is a bad guy yes um it's pretty like once you start kicking him to the point that he's like in a bloody pulp and might die it's like especially after you've already stopped him like god damn yeah like if if if someone tries to rob you and you you incapacitate them in some way that doesn't mean you get to go up to them when they're passed out on the floor and plug him in the head you know about that we know like our legal framework you know like wasn't there a guy who set up booby traps in his house to catch like burglars and then he executed them it's like yeah the law rightfully recognizes that you shouldn't be able to do that it's maybe if you had like the scene where she just backs someone off and then he grabs her even punches her she punches him back and it's all some of the woman sees it she's like whoa that was incredible and she has like a bit of a boost in terms like yeah and then you have the next time she goes too far and it's this one right you might yeah like if you did it twice I think that would make it clearer what the you know for people like high talk you can't understand the film is like the film is obviously against abuse in fact I'd say the scene kind of promotes the idea that it should you shouldn't abuse people like the homeless guy comes up and he's like what the fuck and the music is really nice last time yeah it's consistent with him not understanding the the consequences of the stone right he doesn't really acknowledge that this is not an art because she grew it's an art because the stone took away something from her so also remember him not understanding or giving a fuck about the stone don't worry about this the steve rogers thing don't worry about that the steve you know the body taking over and the rape and no no no no no no that that's all that's just fine you guys are looking at nothing also yeah she's not doing anything wrong here it's all fine it's so confused isn't it right like the film is like it's really bad to assault a potential rapist but also we're not even going to acknowledge like I don't I like to think I have a pretty consistent moral system that I use but with these people it's just it it's it's just a scatter shot of what's right wrong I think this is revealing of a very punitive uh way of looking at justice right punish like real justice in punishing not to minimize total harm or like remove people who were dangerous from society it's like no it's punishment you gotta you gotta get you gotta work on that that's all I gotta say about that yeah and you're not even like punishing someone here in the sense of you want to send a message to the rest of everyone else what happens if you do that you just want to hurt him you just want to hurt him you just want to feel good about getting back at him you just want him to suffer because that makes you feel good and I surely we can all agree that that's quite concerning yes there's a there's that part in all of us and the idea is that you know maybe not maybe that part needs to not come out yeah yeah what what what is this diagram you're drawing oh that's just I'm trying to I'm trying to portray it to be even worse look he's sad this is a 700 meter distance here so that's pretty intense she has a shield shield shield his sword may not look very sharp is that not Sheila is that her name Sheila no shale shale is like a shield but stronger well no it's the sheild because it's being held by a woman yes oh yeah sorry seven thousand years but a happy face on it yeah and he's got a sad face because his arm is broken his other arm's like a claw like that's he's having a bad day and uh he's really just getting up hard right now yeah it's it's intense to me that we we can get to the point of saying the rape is fine but uh you know killing someone because they grab me that's chill like you should be okay now here's something funny I just saw somebody mentioned in the chat but remember revenge is bad and my thought was like if he played The Last of Us 2 would he read it as yeah revenge is bad you shouldn't kill somebody you know what I mean like would he have a contradict through reading of The Last of Us 2 compared to what he's just said here maybe that's bad in The Last of Us 2 but revenge is good here yeah I don't think I'm prepared for conversations about morality well I think that's what I'm saying right is it's like almost like his it will I feel like it would probably just bend to whatever like the film says as long as he likes it you know what I mean yeah if he likes the material then he will see all except for here evidently well I don't know yeah that's the thing I couldn't even now I don't know 700 meters that's that's a lot of distance there that's a lot of damage oh yeah by the way guys light shot is really great yes it is I use green shot it looks like it does the same thing what well let me uh what it was a green shot green shot just like the color green and then shot green shot I'll take a look at that maybe it's better than um maybe it's better light shot because you you you can set like a little shortcut uh and then you get like a little drop down menu and you can say uh just want to copy it you want to put it in editor uh kind of neat little bit of tools you can use kind of nice I like it a lot because I really like light shot my only issue with it is that when I like when I press because it's print screen and then you could all of your screens pause and you could do the whole editing and highlighting and all that when I press control s to save it saves it to like a really bizarre place on my computer and I can't seem to change it oh okay yeah you can when you do a screenshot you can just say save as and that's what I wish I could do then you can save it wherever you want let me let me check I think it's control shift s is there is there a save as a general save as shortcut I don't know actually if it's control shift e um control fuck yeah that's looking pretty good and yeah I would uh I would just want to talk to him about all of this I want to see how he rationalizes all of it because I don't believe for a fucking second that he's thought about it I just changed habits so I'm completely drawing six rumps or one flap the thing is important that we understand what happened in this scene you know I wouldn't want to lie to anyone the child is very sad like actually yeah what if the scene was changed to have his kid witness this what would I be saying about then well in fairness it was an abuser the child is learning that this is what should happen to abusers you should be kicked several flips but at the same time this was definitely not the way to go about it I do not think this scene should mark her descent into villainy how how what what else I think it's great I think this is actually on the spot yeah you know what him hearing him say that I was actually going to be like actually I think it worked pretty well uh the only issue I had with it is that he should have died but he didn't yeah so yeah that is now if she was going to to the same place maybe that would be you know that's just a place to hang out or get struck there whatever but the reason I think the first time and this time yeah it's in the park yeah I let's change this to being in the park plus we establish that I think the homeless guys there the fact that both of these guys coincidentally are in this place that clearly isn't the park is bizarre change this location of the park it solves a lot of issues but the reason I think it's really really good is because it shows that now that she has this she realizes she has this newfound power that she isn't really that familiar with it first and then the moment she realizes that she has power over this guy she abuses it yep it's she's the opposite of spider man because not a villain she's a victim she is a villain villains and victims can be the same fucking thing it's funny how he says that max is a victim and and victimizes others and that he is a villain in this story and then he just flips it around here I'm starting to become Mike with Star Trek but that that Buffy episode that's all about this idea yeah he needs to fucking see it the ending conversation it'll fix it when people get into their heads I feel that I have been victimized in a way regardless of whether it's true or not someone believes they've been victimized that means I am morally in the clear to just be an abuser because those things are I thought we all agreed that like isn't it very common that people who are abusers were often abused themselves isn't that like just a commonly well he was making that point earlier about Maxwell no I know that's what I just said now he wants to victimize people no I know so how come you have one spinner tracks in one for her I'm seeing and this is this is not how moral accountability works anyway fundamentally I'm starting to see a pattern with high top where he holds men and women to very different standards when it comes to ethics I don't I feel like I don't know if it's that I just think he's like hasn't thought about it enough like in general why the fuck have I been recommended an article called Anna Taylor Joy watched Lord of the Rings on Christmas crimson what why was that all right I'm I'm glad I hope she enjoyed it I guess thank you yeah uh god this I didn't realize how hard this video was to watch when you slow it the fuck down like juries yeah do not think this scene should mark her descent into villainy because Barbara is not a villain she's a victim like Max she is someone who is not as noticed as our hero someone oh walk past that she long oh what is this I was a villain and yeah a victim of the uh of the collateral damage of the avengers he's still a villain he still kills innocent people Arthur Fleck is a villain uh syndrome from these levels as a villain yeah syndrome yep a lot of good villains of victims I mean I mean uh there is a victim of uh like you know the bureaucracy surrounding the avengers freaking freaking freaking Walter White yep holy shit that's usually that's usually one of those things that we talk about when making a villain sympathetic is usually that there's something bad that happened to them and then they didn't go about responding the right way that's that's the thing people people don't tend to be evil like just from a vacuum like he got jealous of mankind for reasons we won't explore or explain and then he trusted them for some reason you can talk you can talk about this it's like what about the backstory for the person Barbara beat up maybe he was abused by his dad or something yeah it just goes on and on which is why you need to face the reality that victims can become villains or abusers and that's just they you can be both Mary Jane does that make her a villain nah it makes her she okay doesn't make arguments he's just sags things like good job as mr. I just said compelling as fuck it's like yeah yeah i'm so just so much insight all in one place i can't handle it they're like everyone like all of us you know how naive he sounds it sounds like if you give a villain a motivation they're not a villain anymore is that earth that's not what earth looks like by the way it's cloudy yeah this looks like a moldy blueberry look at how tall we clouds are the clouds are like five it's like a knit so that means that it's extremely small but like hyper dense planet to be able to have the gravitational force necessary to keep itself together is this supposed to be Themyscira like the realm or the world if Themyscira is on earth though but it's a good island island on earth it's just close what's this this is clearly uh fasca it's a it's a different planet maybe this is what wonder woman thinks the earth looks like from the outside she drew it we're zooming into a drawing of looks like a marble that has has some whipped cream on it is it worth swallowing the marble for the whipped cream no i mean you could always just take the whipped cream off no that would be no it looks like a moldy blueberry take it oh yeah it does yeah it's the moldy blueberry i've seen some moldy blueberries before you see mold if you work in a restaurant you'll see moldy berries they can get moldy quick dang yeah what were we talking about it makes her like everyone else like all of us one thing no no guys it makes sense he's saying there's no such thing as a villain oh but that's not something he believes really no of course not that's fucking retarded he didn't he doesn't realize that's what he's just said because his script is bald he didn't redraft like he was called out for not redrafting he got all pissed it's like dude if you did redraft i question your redrafting skills that sentence yeah we've come across three of them it's a pattern it's done i guess i guess now we don't have to ask him whether he redrafts we'll just say do you actually pay attention to what you read when you redraft carefully let's put it this way is your first draft good let's put it this way high top i assume you didn't redraft it it fucking english i assume you didn't redraft it because if you did that would be worse yeah so really giving you the benefit of the doubt here trying to help you out by assuming you don't redraft okay this just spilled out of your mind onto the page can only imagine how bad his first draft was if he did he noted man finally getting that recognition should not take away your empathy and compassion bar that was the spunky pole he's pa yeah did you watch the movie mr i love the stone except the stone oh yeah this is a this is video essay sauron is a victim um harrigold's about to like finish him off and he's like my dad beat me my dad beat me my dad beat me he's like oh it's like all of us i want to i want to use this logic i want to use this logic on just right um who says that every single death that happens in last month's two is jules well i'm like well jules not a villain though his his daughter died yeah his what his daughter got killed so everything he does afterwards that's bad he's a victim all right everybody might get away it's just flashback and his dad is like you suck joel he's like a flash full it's like see by the way i remember a long time ago he did nothing wrong it's just you know want to make that little uh shitty argument just to see what just right would say and then have high top watch you see guys a while ago when i was a little little puppy you know a little doggo my dad one day he he took me into the backyard and he slapped me across the face and he slapped me and he slapped me and tears were streaming down my face and i was crying and i was bruised i fell to the ground and then just when i thought it wouldn't stop he went to me and he picked me up and he said son now you can do anything then my tears turned to tears of joy and we hugged oh the end you really really set you free oh nice um just like everyone now i want to see the reverse where it's like you show them getting beaten as a flashback sequence all in a row that it just it jumps from you know a child to teenager to like young adult to and then tower of sauron you're just like wait what that was the cause of events it's like yeah just kind of led there you know sometimes you think life is going to go one way and then you're beaten that's it arbor has empathy and compassion that vanishes once she gets her wish and it's lazy a little messed up and not fulfilling at all it's the monkey effect no it's consistent you will hold on he's the one he high top is literally the one that's complaining about the rules of the monkeys pot in the first place well not us high top is yeah he was he was the one who said to us we just don't like that it's magic but now here he is he's currently claiming yeah like the one rule of the monkeys pot that makes sense yeah that's what i'm getting at right so uh either he completely forgot this element of the film which i'm willing to believe is very true or he's saying he understands the mechanic and does not like it in which case i'd be like damn dude you just come well yeah i'd be like you can't handle the rules of the stone buddy i don't like that getting bit by a radioactive spider gives you spider powers okay and if you have a problem with that well high top you just said you don't like the fact that the monkeys pot rock takes away someone's humanity when they wish to be like diana oh but i don't like understand that patty jenkins trusted him to understand the rules oh yeah you know that his preemptive defense of this video was i just wanted to say what i think oh come on imagine like she watched this and she's like finally someone praising the movie and then he says this portion she's like oh do it i don't know if i want to praise this video now it's not you know and it's still being a dick to me poor girl she's looking for someone to you know unambiguously praise the entire thing all when it turns out that the damn magic rock is behind her internal oh there you go i would much rather have seen her character go on a journey not have it just wished away why is the music triumphant here i don't know i was it's a being ironic i also feel like a bizarre thanks jackowski but but like why this this doesn't fit with what you're trying to say it should be ominous it should be it should be really dark it should be a a holster of uh what is it uh uh mesorsky something that's like really you know foreboding not just like a like this is the end of a dance i think it's something that's like yeah we did it yay it's very victorious i think it was just like a fucking classical music it's all the fucking same also uh you can make it work that the cost of humanity and you have other characters appeal to what she would have remembered feeling and does no longer feel and whether or not she misses that experience for example caring the people are hurt she could see people were hurt and not give a shit and then be like look how much you've lost yourself you're not even you anymore does that not give you a bit of an existential crisis i imagine that you've been you're no longer Barbara thanks to your desire for power something some kind of plot line but what i'm suggesting is just because they took her humanity doesn't automatically mean the story could never work it's just the execution in this film for everything is terrible so the nose some of it feels completely intentional fitting the sincere cheese fest the movie is going for but some of it feels a little too strange like they are worried we won't pick up on who these people are didn't you just chastise people for not understanding things earlier i guess he thinks that the film should have been even more overt with that like fucking run with it it'll be fine you don't have to explain shit thanks to whoever just uh messaged me and says that if i click the save icon on light shot instead of control s-ing it will ask me what i want the file name to be and where i want to save it thank you actually very much for that oh that's how i do it i just thought that you meant you wanted it for the quick version like because much like you he also said i didn't know that control s you know so it's just like we yeah it's a great program i wish it had a little read me that went along with it what or what's about without them explicitly saying it cover my life hasn't been what you probably think it has the visual storytelling we get is good enough from diana that's a pretty awkward line uh hasn't been what you probably think it has very like that you need to work on that sentence like there's something wrong with it we highlighted it as an example of the dialogue being overt when we could have learned these things oh i mean more so than like the actual the sentence structure itself is pretty wonky uh she's in amazonia that makes sense it's fine she's been around for like 70 you know what i mean it's just the idea that you could make a sentence a little bit better and in fact all your sentences in your story should be as good as you can make them especially since you have way more time to think about them than somebody wouldn't the real world or acting could also be better yeah yeah i mean we know this uh yeah the dialogue was pretty poopy in the movie too diana's first scene outside the costume we know she is alone we know her friends have died we know she feels alone she doesn't need to say it same goes for barbara action speaks a lot louder than words especially in a visual medium they clearly had a billion ideas of what to do story wise a billion things they wanted to say and then tried to say them all when they really should have focused on the few ideas that are powerful that are impactful and lasting but okay i wouldn't have used that scene as an example but uh i agree with the sentiment there i said it reminder that during our uh our our our reaction our review our live viewing our efat movies caught that of wonder woman 84 we were dying laughing at this scene it was so fucking dumb we were laughing it looks like a lot yeah i'm so sad i'll fly now it's like oh okay neat cool cool moose but hey i'll this forward this overtly direct that has heart over something subtle something concise that lacks any kind of flair or soul and what i got if it's subtle and concise and those aren't like you can be subtle and concise and both good and bad yeah that's a man no wonder he likes this film it has crappy censuses and so does this video no well yeah yeah you can comprehend something but it could be very poorly done also i really don't like it when people say like oh you see the difference between something like justice league and this is this one has heart it's like whatever argument you make for this film having heart i guarantee you i can make it for justice league wouldn't be that hard it reminds me of the like generate a theme for um the room or suicide squad it's like it's really easy you'd be surprised because unfortunately themes are very flopsie when you don't have to have references that are accurate here was all heart was all soul the film grain is cranked up the colors explode the lighting is dramatic and stage like the heart and soul steal the show it's completely confident in that in itself and this is all misguided clearly because people really didn't enjoy it this is a goop though what he's saying right now there's no references anymore he's it's like me saying it is really good because it's really strong and it's really tight and it's really flowery and it's just it's so very it blooms with confidence in its execution of of philosophical musings what what what for the mother's not give a damn if the audience thinks it's dumb or silly i don't care if it doesn't care that i care about it being dumb yeah and clearly you know based on the response like you good job you didn't care and everybody hated it what have we lived like there's a lot of people who eat up videos like this and they're just shitty and empty not the people but the videos are well someone could be but like this video is just it's such well you've listened to our coverage over the last five hours or whatever it's um it's vapid it's contradictory it means absolutely nothing and probably you can't learn anything from this video this video doesn't teach you anything um and we'll we'll check out some of the top comments once we've gone through this but uh this would be essentially like i don't want to be mean to popcorn but it's like the popcorn of video essays where they just they just feel good for the film and they say a bunch of stuff that you could just clip out and apply to everything ever and people probably wouldn't disagree too hard yeah spider man too doesn't care if you think it's dumb it's got heart and soul like okay spider man harm coming doesn't care if you think it's smart even though it is it's got heart and soul so it's even better the room doesn't care if you think it's smart it's fun it's hot and soul it's called smart it doesn't care if you think it's smart it has heart and soul it's dumb or silly it just is what it is unashamed uncompromising there are long okay right she was not ashamed in that picture i don't actually know what she was in that picture didn't he say a minute ago that it did compromise because it didn't trust the audience it is compromising you just do not just keep track of this bullshit and it's uncompromising nature stretches of this thing with no action and that's kind of my jam i know that's weird but oh that's such a i don't care like yeah i don't give a shit honestly i don't care about who you are already i just don't care i don't know you well it's not even that happens to you but like i don't care about your emotional resonance but but the problem here is like if a bunch of people highlight oh i didn't like it because there was much action in it i'd be like can we focus on the actual problems not whether or not there was action like that's really just there's got to be more to it than that and i understand that being someone's reasoning for why they didn't enjoy it i'm i'm chill with that i just want to get to the actual like meat of the discussion sort of thing and in being like you know i like it where there's this less action i'm just like okay this doesn't do anything for anyone why are you even saying this but even as a kid i'm skip the action scenes to get to the moments of drama the moment you skip the action scenes weird flex but okay yeah all right once where my favorite superheroes felt like real human beings this is also why i was shoved into a locker wonder woman 84 allows those moments to breathe allows us to sit with two people walk with two people the name of fucking superhero movie that doesn't have this yeah i let's see um i mean like surely all movies have this basically the there anything that doesn't have this is surely the rare exception yeah that's what i'm getting at like it's so fucking great i have a movie that doesn't have two characters discussing something in a scene it's what they discuss why it's important to them and how it relates to the world around them that makes it good or bad not just whether there's lots of it come on not there are two people just talking here it's like okay like how do you not get to the point where like high top don't you feel a little bit like a consumer you just don't you feel like a fraud for making videos like this like as long as they're talking a lot as long as there isn't as much action it'll be chill with the plot along we get long takes we get to hold on the actor's faces we get to live in the moments without rushing to the next bit of action now there's no this was right after a cheetah fight yeah it's not fair there's so many movies do all of the things he just showed us evidence this is what's actually effectively well not even i just mean the fact that their present seems to be all that he's concerned with he did why not talk about what makes them so good instead of they're like most films are not action movies now the action itself is goofy as hell with over the top and insane why are you know i wouldn't call it i wouldn't say i think we're we me and high top would be high top and i would be using goofy and two different uh yeah yeah mine would not be positive yeah like i could see you both laughing and then you're like i can't believe they thought that was good and then he's like no they did that bad on purpose it was so whimsical and funny like batman and robin very goofy insanely when entertaining when mr frieze throws a chunky police officer up in the air to knock his gun and he grabs it back down then after a while you see the body's go like that's obviously meant to be fucking like so dumb and funny here sliding down sliding across the floor then jumping back up and none of it looking like it makes any sense is patty trying to be like hey one was pretty awesome am i right yeah in reality it's like this is fake it just looks so terrible i'm sorry patty i'm sorry he's the wire work she skates what do you want us to do what was missing is wonder woman throwing a fat police officer at the enemies true i didn't realize how bad it looks like it's who you replayed it god damn yeah which also might not work for some of you they are ridiculous and a clear call back to the action sequences of superman one and two where you have the real actor or stun actor on wires sometimes on a set is it though is it supposed to be a callback i don't think it is so having me that having your actors on wires is in all kinds of grounded films yeah that's just a fucking thing they do yeah it's yeah it's in case they hit themselves the wires can stop that from happening let's take this still right i do not believe she is on that because her feet are not on anything her she would fall off the wires are clearly what is supporting her they're not there just in case she falls as an actress wait don't you mean they are they are there in case she falls an actress as well well the the reason they're definitely not there is a reference to super bad too you're like yeah i don't the wires are there so she doesn't fall off and hurt herself yeah because she is clearly not posed in a way that is even remotely believable for how someone could hold on to something and i would i would pause it like dude when something is just straight up great you'll appreciate it for that when it's shit you just go a nice goofy and it's intentional also they had wire work like what what are you you sound so desperate right now everything shitty is it's just a call back to other things that are shitty and also those superman movies and everything they wouldn't have done it like that if they had the technology we had today cause like the original superman in particular is really impressive with how they make it seem like he's flying around and when you consider what they had you know what they were able to do with the tech at the time it's super impressive and you can understand that and you can appreciate it but they wouldn't do it we don't do it like that anymore sometimes a screen doing things no human can do breaking all the laws of physics it's insane okay so the problem with breaking all the laws of physics means that i don't have stakes anymore if if anything can happen i like it when gravity is respected because it means that whenever they're in scenarios that require you know fighting against gravity in any way or relying on it that i can expect it to instead of well things just fly randomly i don't know yeah it means that no no high location no low location is a is an obstacle anymore people can traverse incredible distances they have no issue getting from place to place and traversal across distances is a huge limiter for you know the amount of things that could happen in a plot this screenshot is perfect to explain it she couldn't get up there with the frame we leave off but uh when they edit it so that she just made it it's like oh okay and so the next time she has to do anything of a great feat why should i be worried that she wouldn't be able to do it when she already does impossible shit she'd be like oh well if if you have a grounded film and a character gets to a gap a 20 a 30 foot gap that they have to cross a big chasm well it's like all right all right so i understand they can't cross this chasm they have to get some equipment or a vehicle or have to fly across or get a rope or something they have there's something that has to be done indiana jones and the temple no it's the um devil to uh crusade with the crusade oh he's the the rolling stone in the beginning which one was that that's that's right oh right right this lost start that's it sometimes i forget if he can't use i haven't seen him in so long we need to rewatch him the reason like i know what happens if the boulder hits indy he turns into an indiana jones pancake i know why when he gets betrayed by his buddy who doesn't let him cross the gap that that's a big deal because indiana jones is a human being right he got he used the whip to swing across the gap one way and when he has to go back and his buddy gets rid of the whip that is going to create a problem for indiana jones to solve i just this is just basic shit good insane insane that's up to you but for me it was the best kind of insanity why did you wait so long why why did it's weird how she could see it coming and like watch as it go by and then she's like a very second oh yeah i should stop that you think by the time it's gone by it's too late because even if she flicks her wrist immediately to move to the bullet the whip you know it's not happening with the time well you think what does that look like to everybody else i don't even know because remember a bullet is gonna be going thousands of feet per second thousands of feet per second you you can't see him they're just like they seem instantaneous in short distances so what is wonder woman grabbing that bullet and reacting to the bullets because in the real you know to everyone else she's basically just her limbs are teleporting even steve is reacting to the bullet he starts swerving the car right before it could hit his windshield yeah people forget when you slow down things in slow motion like that bullet will be basically the only thing moving he's also pointed out um there's good kind of i don't care if you find it good kind of sanity or bad kind of insanity but i find it to be the best kind i'm just like jesus christ what is your qualifier for good insanity i would like to know i'm assuming it's just whatever you felt at the time so maybe like point she couldn't see the flash and i guess like scoops and justice league oh okay yeah interesting i thought you meant i thought the comment was referring to she wouldn't see the flash of the muzzle which is like well that would make sense in the but then i guess if you talk about the flash yeah sorry about maybe oh yeah interesting yeah um also like good insanity possibly like referring to i don't know a cartoon where tune force physics are in play do you do you think that's what you're saying really break the stand by barrier barrier that's correct yes almost all bullets are super supersonic yes i don't know i'm just like trying to come with like an idea of uh the story that breaks every law of physics and isn't necessarily bad for it i'd say like a lot of like i don't know really tunes for instance isn't automatically bad because they don't okay the laws of physics but then so is it like more we know what he considers good insanity it's wonder woman 84 it's like i don't know i feel like that's not going to be consistent you know i feel like if we drop some of this shit into some of his other movies he's going to get very upset quickly this brain completely space out watching cg models in a cg environment with cg armor and cg oh i don't i don't not all cj not all cg is equal also the cg and one woman a four is terrible that's pretty that's interesting really bad why do you think he jumped from talking about a pro and what a way forward to compare it to something that ends up on a frame of spiderbands costume far from home it's just like huh honestly how these were connected at all it's like well the sequence was really fun and it's not lame like a cgi mess or a cgi suit you're like all right okay just like i want to i want to uh have him repeat it's insane good insane or bad insane that's up to you but for me it was the best kind of insanity i much prefer this to having my brain completely space out watching cg models in a cg environment with cg armor and cg painted costumes fight gray cg armies of lifeless drones or aliens with particle effects consuming the screen they just don't do it for me and it's obvious they don't do it for patty okay we don't only get well but then why did she have a cheetah fight i want to say she'd rely about them so much but yeah it kind of like i graphics don't really bedazzle me they just add to an already good thing um but that's kind of as bad as the cg is in this movie i mean it's something at least it's a at least it's a spectacle my fucking monkey brain can clap at because there's nothing else to what can you even do with this he said like i prefer Wonder Woman 84s craziness over cgi battles you're like all right then that's all right man but things are cgi what what makes a battle is it great what makes it crazy is it just the amount of combatants the amount of bullets you grab with the lasso of truth i guess as long as i could absolutely say that Wonder Woman 84 is a mess under the i could use the exact same words and just swap the object and what you can arbitrarily just like and move around his whole script and it wouldn't make any difference you can make it about anything you want and you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference crazy it's almost like this video is really empty one of those here standard superhero fight with the final cheetah fight it's gray murky underlit flat lifeless and has an entirely cg character that looks like a member of the animorphs but at least they get it over with quick what but at least it's not quick that's first off not a praise uh yeah it's not hey wait a friggin are you here i guess it's not mr mute someone said someone said the point of cg is to get to a point where you don't know it's cg if you see it it's bad i don't think so Thanos is always the counter i can tell i know i understand the point of what he's saying but i don't yeah i don't agree it's like it covers most of it but the problem is like there's some stuff we absolutely know is cg like space battles uh certain ships as much as you know if you want to be tricked into thinking they're miniatures rather than cg like sure but uh thanos we we know thanos is cg but he's fucking great that's okay golem yeah so sorry and what really matters is your aesthetics or insanity or the showmanship it's the fact that every single one of these action beats in the movie from start to finish is about saving people every choice diana everyone that i mean it depends on how broad you want to get like ever i think i'm talking about the ones in the movie we go in like every single thing diana does in favor of helping the world ultimately so therefore ultimately sure if you extrapolate it outwards to a very broad every action scene in iron man is going to be about saving someone i i mean this is every action scene in every superhero movie ever technically and you know what i can't believe in doing this iron man too i was thinking about like how well the seamery fights rody that's not saving anyone he's like he's like drunk and self-destructive because the suit is poisoning him or whatever i'm like wait but that shouldn't be a point of criticism that should be like how cool is it that our hero is is just not able to stay so altruistic why like oh so neat that every scene she does any action she's trying to save someone have you seen movies perform what the fuck it makes dinner with someone who's a little lonely to speaking her truth to the entire world her truth there is no her truth the truth isn't relative it's not even which supports the reality there's not in people don't have individual truths even from his pov wouldn't it wouldn't even be true from his perspective because the the lasso shows you truth like based on i don't even know like mechanical it's actually happened yeah like it's not it's nothing to do with her because that would be worse arguably if she if she forced everybody to renounce their wishes like what kind of fucking message is that is all giving us i can't think of the last superhero movie that had this many shots of its people of us the everyday men and women oh fuck oh what's it it's a bunch of fucking ridiculous idiots renouncing their wishes because they heard some chick on the radio say just give it up just give up the fact that you took the cancer away from your mother and that you you took the leukemia out of your little son timmy and and you wished your your pet dog back to life and stuff like that like no people wouldn't do that these aren't people these aren't people no one would do that these are anti people i guess it's also funny it's funny to me these basically yeah these people are just it's not that deep bro he he's he's pitching this like some sort of deep thing when it's really just some extras who had lines to say and it's nothing it's really nothing yeah i'd rather them be more fleshed out than simply people who are saved again i'm pretty sure that's in like every superhero movie ever i don't what because they zoomed into their faces it's better even though it's in a sequence as rags just said which is mainly contradictive with how we understand people how about a film in a superhero movie where you get a person who is a direct victim of the actions of the heroes pulling them out directly or about that i'll be neat what if also what if the main villain happened to be that too someone who they've wronged in the efforts to save people rather than simply look it's all of us in the background getting saved yeah epically so what's the truth is that which comports to reality really kind of recursive don't you think it's like reality is that which is true well i think it's a good definition truth is what matches to reality right it this puts it i mean that truth is like it's different from fiction right you'd say fiction are things that are not you know i don't know how to even define fiction off the top of my head in a more comprehensive sense but i would say oh he said circular no it's not circular um and it's it's a way to measure it if it's like it's it's not circular to it's not circular to say that truth is what matches up with reality i think that's actually a really excellent definition of truth right like truth is our interpretation of is like the way that we interpret reality and define it no i wouldn't say true interpretation well what i mean by that is like no i mean in the same way that like a categorization of something that exists is a category we made up to represent something that is true like well um true things that there is no such thing as the well i mean i mean a difference between concepts versus is right so like a cheetah doesn't like cheetah is a human concept but the the animal that is a cheetah is a thing that exists but like yeah it is true that cheetahs exist like a cheetah is a mammal that's true but it's like but there is no such thing as mammals in the broad cosmic sense that's a category we made up so it's true well that depends on what sense that it depends on what you're contriing it to really because it's still true like cheetahs are mammals that would be true like yeah but like the the concept of mammal is made up like there is no such thing as it's still just as true yeah that's what i'm saying though that's the difference between truth and reality i guess like the idea that like the sun is a star that's true reality is that like this is well star just is you know yeah truth and reality are different in the sense that if there's a cheetah sitting there that's not like true that's not in and of itself true it's true that the cheetah is there right well i guess it's like hey that's a cheetah that's a true statement but like the reality is that a cheetah is what it is you know it is this animal yeah it is a like if you pointed to it and said is that a cheetah even though that's a name that agents in the universe gave to that thing and it's not intrinsic to the cheetah itself it is still true yeah i guess that's what i'm getting at right reality is what is truth is the way that we like describe it almost uh to a degree but since truth isn't really truth isn't dependent on agents right because so something that is true is always true regardless of um yeah um uh wait the word mammal may be constructed but the concept of a mammal is not it exists regardless of anyone's but yeah that's what i'm saying yeah mammals are mammals are this thing there's you know like that's exactly what i said yeah a cheetah has all of the characteristics and is completely consistent with the concept with our classification of what a mammal is it is true in fact you might even say it's more true than reality and much the same with it two plus two is four but like like uh like you i don't know i've heard people say that the closest you can get to absolute truth or absolute like proof is stuff like mathematics right because it's not quote unquote real you know uh yeah in the similar vein exist in reality but like it's it's true that the the way that we you know in the same way that like i guess like a lot of laws of rules of nature almost like they're true but and they're they're like correct but the way that we you know like yeah there is no such thing as one technically but like a number is the is like a symbol and a concept to represent amounts yeah the amounts are real the numbers aren't so much right um rags are there is there a subjective and objective truth i don't think they're subjective truth unless you mean that in a less literal way um what does that mean well someone says is there a subjective and objective truth as far as i know truth is objective um truth is objective right yeah yeah if you if someone said if like if i was having a conversation with someone a conversation with someone and they said so they said the phrase subjective truth i would stop them there and ask what they mean by that because i wouldn't know what that is or maybe i understand the concept and we're just calling it different things um so like in in the last crusade um there's a there's like a scene that opens at indy's classroom where he mentions that um what he's teaching about like with archaeology is fact if you want to learn about truth you go to the philosophy classroom or something um i guess that the idea of truth would be maybe we don't have um ah maybe i don't have like all the correct information but from my perspective what i say even if i i'm working off of incomplete information is true like i i sincerely believe that it's true even if it's factually inaccurate uh yeah you can believe doesn't count as like being the truth because a lot of people have sincere beliefs about a lot of things that aren't true so you can you can believe things are true and feel justified however we don't have access to absolute truth and science doesn't prove things in itself anyway we we operate in the world you know in a way like yeah we can't prove this is the matrix stuff and all that we can't prove anything relating fact and truth though define fact well it's something that's indisputable you know something that's based on empirical research or like quantifiable measures still not proof and i guess it's worth remembering as well but like a yeah right a fact so your fact definition is a thing that is known or proved to be true that's that's the definition in this in the sense that you could have like mathematical proofs sure but when it comes to it's worth remembering that yeah there's difference between fact and proof right like you need multiple facts to prove a broader thing so like a fact is something that is true you know in the same sense that if there's a trial it's like so we have this evidence that this is a thing like a security camera that says you were there it's like okay so it's a fact that you were there but it's not a fact just from that that you did something bigger or broader it doesn't necessarily prove another statement yeah it's just it's a I don't even think science is about proving things right so it isn't no science is our understanding of what is it's the study of what is what science is it's like a process is probably the best way to think about science yeah yeah um the scientific method but we can reasonably come to accurate you know justified knowledge about the world through science but we don't have to do this thing we don't have to have absolute truth right in order to bring it you know how does somebody say Fringis definition of truth is in line with christian scholars for centuries it's the most correct one what about christian scholars for centuries I thought that two plus two is four so what I don't what do you mean I don't I don't understand is it is that what everybody says is like there's reality and then there's truth which is like our definition of reality it's a technical concept of mammals isn't really objectively true so in a way it's it's it's it's super true right so like mathematics is an invention but it is you could prove mathematics in the way that you can't prove things like even gravity hold or the shape of the earth right mathematics it's easier you you can with more more certainty you can prove that mathematics is true more than the shape of the earth or gravity I think now we're getting into like hypercosmic scale stuff right so like you know the the whole idea is like everything that we describe and categorize and that's like made up by people reality just kind of is regardless of whether we're here but like our interpretation of it is um is different like when we describe what a star is it's like a star exists but our categorization of a star was made up like we made it up um someone said rags if you have money and I have money objectively we both have money but the amount is subjective no the amount is objective you just don't know what the amount is yes yeah we both have an amount of money that can be calculated and you can find out exactly how much money you have um the it is the amount relative to each other that's subjective like um like when I say I have a lot of money or I don't have much money those are relative but the amount of money you actually have is objective somebody's saying this is postmodernism is it I don't hold on what is postmodernism I always hear people talk about it but I feel like I've never understood it just the whole everything is meeting lists those are a lot of people associate that doesn't have anything to do with what I said you don't have to you don't have to value the money to have the amount of it if you're a space alien and you show up here and you see a five dollar bill sitting on a table it's still five dollars five you don't have to value it oh is someone leading huh no he's doing no I thought you said I thought you said bye no it was just me make to ignore me all right but is it true that pineapple belongs on pizza it is an objective fact that is baked into the very fabric of the universe itself that pineapple on pizza is immoral that's fine I'm a moralist fuck eat my asshole hey I go oh wait all right go ahead well my thing's off topic so go ahead oh it's just like we're already off we actually talk about like because a lot of people just saying like postmodernism is like wrong with stupid it's like is it really fully like is that or is it actually what's talking about someone says no it's toilet paper to me you have to define toilet paper I don't even see that five dollars is five dollars then you're delusional then you're not seeing reality for what it is and can be demonstrated to be postmodernism is a broad movement that developed in the mid to late 20th century across philosophy the arts architecture and criticism making departure from modernism the term so postmodernism is generally defined as an aptitude attitude of skepticism irony or rejection toward what is described as the grand narratives and ideologies associated with modernism often criticizing enlightenment rationality and focusing on the role of ideology and maintaining political or economic power so I don't know what that really is referring to but I as far as I know I really like the enlightenment so if it continues right so this is this seems to be the main thing postmodern thinkers frequently describe knowledge claims as value systems and value systems as contingent or socially conditioned framing them as products of political historical or cultural discourses and hierarchies the common targets of postmodernism criticism include universalist ideals of objective morality reality truth human nature reason science language and so oh so like they are right about some things then definitely because like objective morality doesn't exist I think like that's categorically yeah I mean in the sense that in the sense that it isn't intrinsic to the universe but I would say that as long as you have a a a standard of morality you can judge things in a morally objective way oh I mean I yeah yeah exactly but on a cosmic scale there is there is no objective morality sewn into the fabric of the universe that's what yeah morality isn't intrinsic to the universe yeah um and I mean there probably is a lot of truth to the idea that like the way that we view things is uh wrong frigging just wrong you cannot you are you cannot argue against this point you need to stop friggy and wrong friggy back to back yeah back to back I see a pattern here postmodernism is an evolution of Marx's all right yeah we can move on then so my off topic thing is this is a super chat from the back what do you think for me wait what uh okay recently saw this Buffy is average cw show but if you want something long enough you will like it all right okay I do like the the counter in the superchats like wait so how long do we have to watch Disney Star Wars before we like it but also the Buffy is average cw show oh Jesus how dare you all right then back to high top us the everyday men and women living laughing loving they are just as much a character love he said live laugh love oh what do you disagree with that oh that's just that's the thing that I say when I make fun of you know the live laugh love 40 year old moms put up the it's drags you monster it sounds like you disagree with the sentiment what the fuck it's like the motto of every care and basically they have it on a wall and that there's man that's something filmmakers viewers me you often forget you can't oh funny how this only comes up with shitty movies hi top hey remember to love be a good superhero if you don't protect the viewers the readers who look up to you at the beginning of the film after being way ahead in this amazonian competition diana falls off her horse but still finds a way I was gonna call it on the music yeah music's weird this is uh oh yeah this weird mummy mummy I have these songs that are royalty free just I gotta use them somehow throw them in there anywhere we have like a seventh person at the call who's just randomly going after being way ahead in this amazonian competition diana falls off her horse but still finds a way to be first to the finish line not knowing she cheated at the end how could she not know yeah you have to know the rules of this shit beforehand once again we're at the forefront of he describes an event and he omits portions of it to make it sound cleaner stop doing that it doesn't make sense that she doesn't know she's gonna lose first of all the flags aren't even all the way down so she should recognize her own team if you will is uh whatever that is she hasn't uh completed all of the tasks if they're unaware of the targets she should have been worrying about the fact that like she may have missed one by going down this ridiculous then there's the contrivance that there is this aqueduct in in this in this area just exactly where she fell off her horse the fact that her horse ditched her and then um she seemed to not understand whatsoever what even transpired she has no like clue what the what the fuck's going on aqueduct like in the middle of nowhere that leads to nothing why not it's not is it an aqueduct or is it just like a drainage a lot of people were saying aqueduct when we went over it i don't know daddy i don't think that aqueduct it can be an aqueduct aqueduct it goes across like a dirt road it's clearly for drainage log luvie log luv log and so yeah i uh i find it fascinating that we can ignore everything that structurally makes and like how do you register what happened in that moment we were all confused we're like did she cheat was it okay that she did what she did was it just not okay that she didn't hit the target can you cheat quote unquote if you as long as you hit the targets i don't know i mean if you're lucky nothing there's enough targets and this one for you i'd say part of being punished for cheating is fucking knowing you cheated which isn't clear she doesn't yeah if you don't accept that you've cheated like deep down even people who don't admit that they've cheated like they know like come on how do you not but it's yeah that's thing oh we criticized how diana in that scene we don't know what she's thinking she's just upset like she has she even recognized that she cheated at all as she absorbed anything about what's being told to her i mean obviously the stuff being told to her is just for the audience for a useless theme that won't actually be executed in the rest of the film in any meaningful way it's a it's a really bizarre scene that doesn't really serve any purpose into the film she once again let's go of steve her heart is crushed but she still finds a way to keep pushing towards that finish it oh he he tried to connect the scene with that first scene he tried his dandest someone said it's clearly an aqueduct there's no i don't know what clearly an aqueduct is all right so if you have an aqueduct right it's not going to be it's not going to be some dirty uncovered pathway made out of rocks that is clearly supposed to be drainage for a road like here this is where the i assume we're talking about the things that that she slides down that's not a fucking aqueduct that's just drainage for it that is not like when the romans build aqueducts right they were really impressive structures that carried water unobstructed over long distances and they work out they were covered aqueduct so i'm guessing like the difference between these images is pretty clear like what rags is getting at i'm sure people can understand this like oh yeah like if you if you want to say just a path for water to travel that's a useless definition of aqueduct to kill yourself what i'm talking about is if you think that this is an aqueduct that is supposed to carry water across vast distances like well i think we're all gonna look fools because aqueducts are specifically going above valleys or ravines it's a bridge like conduit is a bridge that carries water over a valley or a ravine it's a structure usually a bridge that carries such a conduit okay it doesn't have to be as it is a bridge yeah it because it is a bridge a water bridge so like it when you when we think of aqueducts we normally think about bridges because you have to have a bridge in order to get the water across you know the the the valley essentially because it can't go into the valley because it ain't coming back up because you know water flows downhill you're just as typically in the form of a bridge at least yeah you say aqueduct i think i think the thing is where we're getting confused is that you guys keep saying it's typically a bridge whereas wikipedia says it is a bridge like it is a bridge that that is critical to making it an aqueduct it doesn't even matter for this because this clearly isn't an aqueduct what we're talking about yeah no well that's what i'm saying this this categorically isn't like it's definitely not but i think this part of the aqueduct would be so when does does it just become um so if you if if the aqueduct is just the bridge section it's a bridge that carries water across the gap when it when it stops like at the point where it is no longer a bridge and just carries on over land is it a not an aqueduct anymore it's just becomes a pipe now a channel uh you hey i'm guessing that's what it means um a lot so i someone said a viaduct is a bridge from the probably from the uh because we are wia uh we are is um road and latin um somebody said ignore wikipedia not jobs change and maintain it yes i'm sure that the political agenda of changing the definition of an aqueduct it's not even priority it's funny that because they didn't change it to be anything other than just it's it's always a bridge that'll get them that doesn't sound very postmodernist of them they're fucking it up so i'll say rags still not trying not to be i i'm not well yeah i'm trying not to be wrong because i think i can justify our position based on the information i have at hand and i'm even asking clarifying questions to see if i'm incorrect this is the right way to do it yeah i i would have to as far as i know the aqueduct is not specifically the bridge part but it is usually a bridge because it is necessary for that structure to exist to get water to travel with gravity across over the top of the the quote unquote top of the valley and keep going but if if it's just the bridge part i'm curious what the part is after the bridge so well yeah come yum that's what i'm saying things wrong regardless of politics yeah but the implication was that it was an agenda i'm sure people can get it wrong without politics all right it's a way to push yeah this says it's a conduit or a canal which is i what i assumed it was because part of it in order for the aqueduct to work it just the bridge is pretty much just an extended lower portion of what that canal would be as it travels yeah i i think it's just the idea that it gets water from one side to the other over a gap that's basically what an aqueduct is i i think that might be because when people hear the word aqueduct that's what they think of because that's what all the pictures are because it's a very impressive structure that you know the romans built and maintained that there's a lot of math and engineering that goes into it and so that's what the pictures are always of because the pictures of the aqueduct that don't go over big chasms aren't as impressive you know i mean yeah i think the aqueducts but they just look cool oh yeah definitely aqueducts are cool yeah aqueducts are political ideologues and you guys know how how the romans would actually repair their broken aqueducts right i don't ductate nah why don't they repair it with aquas i don't know how that would work well that's just shows how intelligent the romans were yeah now we still don't understand how they did it oh they figured out roads that doesn't make them geniuses okay oh no no no ink dis no i'm incredibly impressed that the romans with their level of technology were able to build aqueducts that had such a gentle and gradual consistent slope across like a bajillion miles to get water to cities like realm like that is an incredible architectural engineering accomplishment and i can i'm i'm very very impressed by that that's insane that was lost unfortunately when they fell and didn't really come back for a long time rippa rooney roma roma rooney finish line knowing fully that she has lost that scene where she throws the whip on the road she's clearly sliding yeah whenever she runs up and down that's how people move when they run yes right up you know you're not steady nope the fact that her rope got long enough to reach like a kilometer away as well but you see basically spider man he said the connecting piece between this scene and the initial scene is that she was looking like to complete her mission despite knowing that she's already lost that's not trans this that's not the case in the opening scene she's clearly confused lost the battle isn't over yet well she lost steve i guess that means she lost even though he was already gone to begin with you back to square one and from that from that selflessness that loss she can save us it's selfless to choose that your dead loved one doesn't take the life of another person who's alive that's interesting it's selfless for chris pine you're not here you really think she's like batwoman you wouldn't want to go to a fight not doled up that's the whole idea yeah like he gets a totally it's it's totally backwards it is selfish of her to lose him it is selfless of him to give that's his life to give up it's a weird so backwards well if you twist it enough she can come out good i guess firing us not by fighting us you know i'm a sucker for when superhero climaxes end with the heroes talking to the villain appealing wow you must like a lot of movies um that but weird take because in first class they fight each other after that scene yes it doesn't work at that movie and in spite of that too isn't this just arbitrary it's like the the arms don't control him at this point for some reason yeah so it's it's weird because like in no other scene in the movie in in this movie and i'm sorry that i have to talk about star man two again but you know what it's on screen okay it is on okay well no people people you want to mention like he sounds like he's bringing up star man two whenever he can eat that like okay this is my second appearance i've released that fucking video um so it's weird that peter knows who auto octavius is and doesn't once try to appeal to his humanity before this point but also for most of the movie he's under the influence of the tentacles uh until i guess they get electrocuted and then he's able to like will himself into no longer being influenced by them he was electrocuted maybe that did it yeah it's it's weird it's pretty it's like oh it docks off the claws like no no they're still alive are they still a clearly evil but the electric weakened they will you're like okay all right instead of apathetically punching them and wonder woman 84 wait so he doesn't like batman then is that what is that what that was apathetically punching them do you know what that scene is this batman realizing that joker was the one who killed his parents i was i was literally about to say like how often is it that the hero is apathetically stopping the bad guy in a movie i probably bring spider-man two up all the time because it was the one time he had a good point okay toy story four and the last two are great then gosh he's so bitter south boy you can't accept the people think you had a good point yeah hello clown boy little clown boy four extra mile by having the hero our hero talk to us she tells us we have suffered we have don't just don't i need you to stop okay i need you to it's like stop the movie became a lecture breathe don't don't say breathe it became a fucking oh my god truth is beautiful right guys if you didn't earn it you don't deserve it and that's the truth hello no true hey hey uh moller uh oh sophistic autistic has a question for you and rags does this mean that uh this scene is good in high top logic then you know what you know what batman and robin has heart where wonder woman 84 does not wonder woman 84 promotes rape it promotes violence against the enemy when they're not even controlling themselves it promotes the idea that wishing well for others is a lie and that you should not do that idea that unattractive women should just accept that lot in life meanwhile science doesn't be attractive when we go to whatever they want meanwhile batman and robin says in the search for a cure for your wife's you know destructive disease you are you go to certain lengths certain harsh lengths diamond searching leads you down many roads and you know what in your in your quest you you may have a couple of casualties here and there sure but ultimately you realize in the end that it's just not worth it is it is it really i don't think so and you decide instead of just essentially obliterating everything in my path to save my wife i will help someone else who is within the realm of saving while continuing in a peaceful way to save my own people my own loved ones such a beautiful story and it promotes promotes goodness and greatness i like goodness and greatness yeah sounds like a great film yeah it's also kind and it's also it's unafraid to be what it is and it would have a problem with that and it knows what it is and it's it's so incredible i'd say it's incredible in how it's it knows and if you can't accept that that's fine but you can accept a radioactive spider so i don't know think about that i'm stupid mr friss get ready for the impassioned specie guys oh my god we all wish the world was a different place but we must persevere and try to come together through love not hate and that love can save the world love love love he always like he accents that word love you could never make a wish in favor of love you could never do it i'm sure that i'm sure if we go through high tops twitter history about his politics it's nothing but love nothing but love nothing but love oh yeah i remember him tweeting about something with i'll just carry on lads i'm good i find it like a very childish view of the world it's like when world war two was happening and the Nazis were storming across europe what was the option there love guys we just want you to know we love you all right please stop please thank you sometimes that's not how the world works sometimes like you have to oppose people by force so uh the timeline that's where we're at and um as as free aptly pointed out all right i can't remember which one of you um impassioned speech is on the way and it's not just because of the topic it's also because this is the part of the video you have to no no it's not that it's the it's the end of the video so you've got to have an emotional eye to get them to click the next one yeah and also this is what people will remember the beginning and they'll remember the end yeah the middle is kind of no one in the middle is so fucking gotta really make that ending stick you gotta make it and people will watch this video and be like all of that video led to this final point and i really felt that while we're just like huh what do you yeah huh where this comes from the optimistic perspective one that believes that we can all be wonderful all be heroes and save the day if we just care if we just rape what about the guy what about that one dude who like the one guy he got beat up by barbara what about him he's probably dead so i because you said it was good that he got the shit kicked out of him so i'm like what he's weird isn't it the moral of the story is as high top says it's to love everybody but also it's okay to beat the shit well she kicked him with love fringy don't you understand that was a love and remember aries that was love all right i do i do like he's celebrate how everyone can live and survive with aries like what about me and he's like no no you're not you you weren't a victim all right so you know go away shush evil would live can save the world so has has high top even begun to try and explain how the theme of truth is supposed to work here yeah it's it's pretty clear it's that uh you should uh you should you should accept the world for what it is and persevere that is the truth but if you're persevering to change it you're not accepting it for what it is you're trying to change it imagine selling the slaves in like 1861 look you can't change the world all right just persevere you just gotta you just gotta push through it all right um it's almost that having emotions are a virtue and expressing your emotions doesn't make you virtuous so having emotions aren't a virtue everybody has emotions everyone has emotions it's baked into our brain chemistry like you don't even choose so how you express those could that be virtuous i don't think he got it backwards how you express your emotions can be you can say a lot about self-control in maturity and not expressing emotions that might feel good to you but might damage the people around you or hurt their feelings or produce some bad result and having the you know mental capacity to hold back and and to to not express it necessarily that could be a very virtuous thing i got you i think you got it completely backwards if someone was born without the capacity to feel emotion as weird as that is like would you condemn them for like automatically that's not so fair yeah they're just like oh i want to eat and sleep and uh i don't know they have like no goals whatever they just exist other than survive i suppose and yeah and even if you have no emotions yourself you can just understand what emotions are why people feel the emotions they do and that it's generally good it's generally pragmatically good to act in ways that don't you know needlessly upset people around you like if you're like a robot or something that wants to be a part of a society but i guess we're gonna have to i just saw that and it just seemed like acts absolutely backwards to me in baffling so i just want to point out we're almost there guys yeah for each other i'll take our loss and learn to fly soar in the sky oh my god wow what what is he saying that as an allegory for like just to go on is that what he means what what do you want do you have to soldier forth or to his being like succeed in the face of go forth and fly i love how he hates spider man homecoming a film that very clearly makes the point of like sometimes you got to sacrifice the things you value to do the right thing and like that's hammered in very clear is like oh it's just cynical stupid marvel movie but in this stupid film it's like hey you can learn how to fly it all right in fairness this film knows what it is for me and it's unabashedly unashamed of what it is and just because it didn't explain itself to you just because patty jenkins trusted you'd understand it doesn't mean it owes you an apology what i hate talking about films this way like they're people like what are you what's happening the way to look around us and see those burdened by that same weight and use it to rise up instead of push us down a few weeks explain shit so much to consume in 10 seconds do we want to go back and put people through that again or no we don't all right we have we're i mean this thing has been densely deconstructed as it is and we can yeah first i love the fact that that's we were constantly pausing and playing that because multiple people were trying to just yeah hit the pause button and comment on that um that was really awkward and terrible that was a that was not pleasant to sit through never do that again high top all right let's go yeah this this portion almost seems like it's built for us so this is gonna be fun i said movies aren't about logic and plot that's why i almost never talk about those things yes you do because you're literally capable of discussing logic even though you do it anyway because you can't not talk about it he talked about it through this entire fucking video he doesn't even realize it yeah he ranted about how bad it yeah that's right and i'll go ahead for you he just fucking talked about it about barbara and he oh my god i think that parker going on a vacation and wanting to uh to pursue someone romantically six months after his father figure dies is bad yeah he thinks it's not an issue with like logic the problem is just that like you can't not talk about logic because it's like impossible this is to like sentence structure informing thoughts this is transmitting your ideas into other people's brain brain has a logic and that's the misunderstanding when i said it like at the start of the stream oh does the the mg whatever have x amount of bullets or y amount of bullets they see that and talking about a character's motivation to commit to an important action as two separate things like one of them is talking about the emotion and the feeling the other one's talking about logic and you're like wait hang on it's a driven plane internal they're both logistic like the we we argue where are you drawing it from and what we're gonna go from there that's what everything functions on they just don't seem to actually understand this cause and effect applies to characters it's all over the place whenever you you can't apply like an actual pro to a story without appealing to how something relates to something else so for example no one makes a video saying max is a character all right so that's my review of wonder woman you'd be like wait wait no no you have to you know max is you describe a trait on its own and you just grab another trait and how they can coexist or how they would match how someone would behave in this world and then you add the backstory and then you judge how his actions reflect his back story you all these things interconnecting now that's the emotion that's not plot this is i'm just realized that this sense and emotion and feeling good that's nice and redundant emotion and feeling are the same i mean yeah kind of i don't talk about logic that's some pretty prime gadelb material if you haven't put it down well but i guess again i guess a lot of people just assume that they don't talk they don't get anywhere near logic if their videos aren't specifically about like epistemology or something yeah it's just hard to uh i don't know feel emotionally invested in a story where you're just distracted by all the things that don't make any sense the world your brain has logic to it i don't the white the when you put one sentence and then another sentence there is a logic to it when you have a thought there is a reason why you have that thought and if you have an emotional reaction there's a reason why that happened that's what logic is it's the reason take the uh the moment in mando where she wakes up the robot and he goes that droid is a killer we pause right there like why do you just say that uh well he has this um history of like he hates droids because they kind of killed his family in the clomors and ever since he's just distrusted them like okay that explains it however this doesn't really make much sense in this world because droids are so plentiful and different that to be averse to droids in totality just just doesn't match how the world how someone would function in that world and if you said you're talking about the logic not the emotion i just get i'd be like what are you what is it what are you just distinguishing here like what are you saying talking about how someone would feel i don't see the through line that's that's specifically what we're talking about he's like you're not talking about the emotion though like why why doesn't a character at any point just shoot themself in the head it's like well it would i mean you don't you don't think there's a logic behind that that the characters understand logic and why is it that they fucking wheel this argument out every time a movie is garbage i mean a character shooting themself in the head can be a great emotional payoff just like the room yes nailed it i am i just i need one of them to just stop with this and just like high top you need to talk to somebody who's straw manning please i beg you like it feels as though he's in a bubble and he's just never been exposed to any of this when he talked about what didn't work with Barbara he specifically references he wants to see him make the choices herself as a result of having you know a new lease on life but um he's he's frustrated that the choices are marred or affected by the the stone like huh you just explained a through line to me of why you're frustrated emotionally i understand what you're saying it doesn't it doesn't line up with things he said previously in the video but you get the point stop hating logic step one for becoming a fucking critic logic is your friend he doesn't want to hurt you but he will yes about emotion and feeling i went to take one shit came back and to my surprise i was being shit on like one clown that like do you normally take them in bursts or yeah i mean it was just the one this time but last time i was like a scatter shot i love when people sound like i just said something on twitter and people responded to it it's like it's public platform he also said something incredibly incendiary stories aren't about logic they're about emotion like the fuck like imagine every fucking writer who just doesn't like who puts a lot of effort and care into making sure that all of their information makes sense and is coherent and follows through logically and they hear this you who on youtube saying stories aren't about logic and plot you're like well fuck you too i also want to highlight the fact that when he said that stories are about emotion and feeling he was using the scene from one woman uh like the first one with aries talking about his motivation he says like it's you don't want to cite the third act of one woman to bolster your point okay i just um i want him he one of his tweets involved that whole um he wouldn't want to watch a movie that's like completely logically sound but he doesn't feel anything for and i should be like but what if i could just flower it up no matter i we can even the chair in a room objectively you know static story i could still argue just a metaphorical interpretation that's really meaningful it's not hard i've never found what they do to be hard they make 10 to 20 minute videos they look at a couple of references from a film they draw together a message and they have a flowery ending that's all they ever do they don't have to work hard because they don't have to appeal to the references and for some reason they think this is way more complex and meaningful than someone actually digging into all of the details and finding whether or not they actually you know coincides logically or coherently um and then figure out whether or not that the perceived message or the message that was being gunned for is actually something they achieved or if it's something they failed at and you try to suggest alternatives and then you move on the process like that is considered like nitpicking obsessed with logic what is supposed to be about the emotion the logic is gay so the chair represents loneliness it's true jesus christ so he's live streaming on twitter right now and he keeps on shaking his head no wonder this movie so emotionally resonant with him oh yeah remember when she shook her head a whole bunch as well in the movie yeah that i am every word to me in my experience of making and watching movies they are never entirely about the logic they are never entirely about the plot what does that mean yeah but they are though whether you want to recognize it or not a plot is literally characters taking actions and moving through like the plots are like defined by this i mean okay let's let's give okay like let's take that's what he said at face value his own fucking video disputes his own fucking claim he i mean you can say that i just liked it and i like this and that and whatnot but he then goes on to say that parts of the plot bother him you cannot do that right you can't say that the plot doesn't bother you but what i feel is important but then you go on to say that the writing is bad at some points in the middle is full of expository shit you can't say that it's almost more interesting as well at least be fucking consistent because he said they're not entirely about it the implication being like yeah i understand why i need it and then i'd be like ah so where do you draw the line high top is it that once enough stuff makes sense he's wishy washy about it also it's kind of awesome it's not always about the plot non-committal is one of the biggest strengths these fucking reviewers have like if they never truly commit to anything but then they'll often they'll just sneak in stuff here and there like hey if you think daredevil's boring you're objectively wrong meanwhile even our boredom is literally subjective so well you know that's how it goes whatever those two things are used to give you a feeling to evoke a reaction from you they are needed to support that reaction to support the characters so they are wait is he talking about logic and plot here yep he is saying they sit underneath the motion you know i mean they support it in the sense of they like they're they are required yeah yeah it's required it's not like a support character in world of warcraft that you can get by without maybe no no it's it's you have to have it it your brain has to transmit you have to have something to work with this is how the conversation i expect would kind of go i'm like describe what you like about max high top and he's like oh you know what it's it's probably the fact that you see what everything that he does in the modern day and then you think about his childhood and i'm like stop you're using logic he's like oh uh i'm like describe what you like about this movie without using any logic because of course it's only about the emotion really like ultimately so go he's like uh well i like the wonder woman obviously knowing how much she loves steve is willing to sacrifice you know that's you've just connected to two events you've got reason you stop go back to the emotion just only about emotion rags dissing wow i'm not i wasn't dissing wow i was had a how is that a diss on world of warcraft i would if so if high top then said i really like the colors of the clouds you're like all right and he's like i like her shoes why well they look like they fit well at stop he's like okay i like that's logic i'm looking at your video you can describe stuff that lacks i guess what he perceives as logic i suppose it's i find it pretty fucking difficult and i also find it pretty worthless to translate to someone else what it is that you're experiencing and why you're enjoying it if you don't use any logic at all but hey show me what your video ends up looking like when you don't appeal to logic once i'd like to see what that looks like i'm looking at this frame here from wonder woman the denouement i'm thinking like when we were watching this none of this was emotionally resonant to us because she's looking at a picture of steve who didn't yeah sorry did i did i just pronounce it what's interesting is that earlier in the stream when we were talking about words that we see written out but we don't know how to pronounce them or vice versa one of our examples was indeed that oh so it's how is it pronounced yeah datum wa datum wa as far as i know i think so okay um anyways well fine post climax of wonder woman just i'm gonna just no why would you not say enough right went through all the trouble because it's fucking french and sounds gay um so this didn't right here what we're looking at here she's looking at a picture of of steve trevor who died unnecessarily like he could have just jumped out with a parachute didn't have to kill himself and also this is right after a climax that completely bungles the film's theme so whatever emotional resonance that the film was going for didn't work on us exactly because none of it what you just highlighted yeah so in the we've just talked about how do you describe it without logic if he said this is meaningful because a man sacrificed his life to save a whole bunch of people and that was the man she loved i'd be like oh what you just said is it's like inconsequential though because like he made that decision for no reason um it would be like if if i loved one of your shot himself in the head and you're like he sacrificed himself i'd be like no he just killed himself i don't see what why are you calling it that it's like well it's more resonant to me that way like oh all right i guess that doesn't that doesn't get in the way of anything that's sure sure is wonderful for you i suppose and it's like if you turn your brain off you might not notice any of these things i do it all the time i still notice it should dry harder man be not be retarded metal not what art it's about tell me what art's about oh he's i'm sure he's good so they are not what art is about wonder woman feels doesn't focus on plot or logic or realism or i think it does focus on plot yeah the plot just doesn't fucking make sense how can you say it doesn't focus on plot when so much of it is spent trying to explain how any of this fucking works but it struggles like hell because it it can't be consistent with itself there's a lot of plot in wonder woman 84 way more than wonder woman one i'd say there's a lot of just not doing stuff that's really relevant at all to the plot there's a lot of plotting around slowly yeah it's getting to the point where it's just like hi top how do you even separate these things out i'm starting to get very curious about that is it just when a movie is bad you say it's full of plot when it's good you're like no it doesn't have plot though really from your perception i mean do you moller do you want to just play the starting at 1044 real quick just do it what's the it's a it's a citation he uses plot as a criticism right yeah and logic i mean he's already done it in this video yeah i believe that he's not consistent this is what i mean what we highlight with barbara he's highlighting plot instead of appreciating the emotion but of course it doesn't count when he does it that's kind of yeah it cares about super charging you with earnest emotion wrapping the lasso of truth around you and making you feel and not everyone will feel the but truth and feel like i felt emotions that like like how can the last of truth so i imagine if the last of truth gets wrapped around you and makes you see something the way you feel about that the lasso doesn't have any control over that's up to you i say up quote-unquote up to you how you feel about it but that'll be different i mean it's just a weird deal that doesn't make sense i understand what you were saying with that and um i like that he says like some people might not feel from this it's like therefore hi top you've unlocked the next tier of critic where what people feel is basically different from every single person to the next one and so not a super useful way to judge how good a film is is from what you specifically felt it's like okay so everything is up in the air all the time and we can't actually bring anything down in any way sweet i'm struggling here like i just this is so the man is trying to fucking advise us how to criticize art in the last minute of his fucking review of what the world i i don't think it was ever gonna be that good if you're gonna try and change how we view art you're gonna have to try really hard because we've had a lot of experience and it seems to work really really really well iraq's i guess he could appeal to logic in some way no why would he do that he didn't care about that the message and frankly whack story might get in the way of that not everyone will be on the same if the story gets in the way of what you're trying to do then you fucked up well let's just let's just iron out the statement if the story gets a little way of the story then yeah that can be a problem you're like oh kind of an issue yeah it does sound like it would be an issue you could always you know just rewrite it did you just imply that a fellow writer isn't rewriting things the fuck i just like the idea that your first idea is the only idea that's worth anything um or that there isn't such a thing as like actually amending remember the story is not set in stone you are writing it you can amend it as you see fit in fact some would say that that's where the hard work and talent comes in no no no no no no no it's all about you you researched that gun and found the exact amount of ammo and then you created the action scene to follow through with that and many other elements good for you need no it just happens shoot forever yeah it is funny to me how somebody who is trying to make the claim that stories are whatever you want them to be can just make so many statements that imply that he thinks that writing is not a craft in the same way that a lot of other creative enterprises are and that an entire medium of storytelling is inferior and goofy and stupid it's really funny to me that you can do these same things in the same video he's one of the kings of like this open heart see and fun and flowery person and also making incredibly fucking reductive statements about all swaths of things that he just doesn't seem to give a shit about it is funny isn't it right because ultimately what is our argument just makes sense and otherwise you can do whatever you want whereas his is like well no it's about emotion right but also don't make moral statements that I disagree with and also you need to think about like does the logic get in the way of the story and if it does then maybe don't do that it's all this all these other additional things that you load on to it typically how it'll go right because CJ just said if the story gets in the way then rewrite the story so if we're dealing with you know a payoff and high top is like no it works because of the emotion of it it's like okay let's make it make sense too and so in the world that we can get more people emotionally invested yeah that would be the appeal I think that's perfectly reasonable but if he if we're dealing and I don't like to try and come up with examples because this this is just hard but like you have a payoff that is impossible to reach for some reason just just within the narrative you cannot I guess the impossible is tough because like there's always with fiction there's often something you can do but just just a payoff that you just can't have maybe maybe it is like you know Luke Skywalker standing over Kylo Ren and igniting that lightsaber you can't have that payoff it's like well how do we have it then mr it has to be logical like now you just we're doing a different like like what are you trying to achieve emotionally we'll find a different payoff because this you can't have this one um and surely you could deal with that as a writer but ultimately perhaps we could still make that payoff happen we just have to alter a shit ton of variables like luke was influenced or it was a nightmare sequence or you know whatever it takes a lot of work um and a lot of writers do it and we like to celebrate those ones we're like hey you over there good job high five clap wonderful hey patty no you really just splooge all over the film huh you just like hey this stuff is out fun now all right I don't want to pretend to know people's minds um though I'm pretty good at guessing oh yeah CJ I agree with you by the way he said you get what I mean it's like yeah yeah I agree yeah I get what you mean you're right um CJ so we sit down with high top and we ask him so why does why does the plumber feel the way he does right and he would probably without even thinking without even thinking without skipping a beat he would tell us all about all of the reasons why the plumber feels the way the plumber feels I'm not even sure he would I imagine he might be like well if you couldn't figure it out that's you know that's all right all right well I think of the average person if they're like I he's like I thought it was really interesting and and the imagery was you know very you know bedazzling but I just couldn't quite uh could you clarify for me because I just don't quite get it why does the plumber feel this way as long as he believed you were coming to him in good faith I think he would go into all of these very logic-based reasons why the plumber feels the way the plumber totally yeah um because it matters then but it doesn't uh doesn't matter here I guess story might get in the way of that not everyone will be on the same imagine saying story might get in the way I can't I wouldn't my brain wouldn't even dare to think that it's like it's like you're building a house you're like oh your house might get in the way of it like what do you what does that even yeah you're trying to yeah you're trying to build a house like these measurements I don't know they're just sort of let's do it fuck it anyway it's going to get in the way of the story like the story beat I'm starting to think about live more film maker also right like oh he he makes he shoots movies but well films yeah and he single-handedly keeps the like the spotlight business in his local area going yeah and wavelength and that's but I felt I chuckled I smiled I teared up I cared and that can be kind of wonderful she brought it back he brought it back it's like it's like it's like I lived loved and loved in homecoming that makes it wonderful all right high top and titans as well um and other stuff you don't like it's not to piss I just god damn so low what is the rest of this video let's see what company probably right it'll be like thanks patrons and all that yeah thanks guys for making me money oh that adds I I keep whenever I see at high top films I think it's always like high top films high door my brain just high top films yeah high top films via lex hunter the alexander the alexander hey guys thanks for watching this year i'm going to try to get well what's with the lights look at the fucking lights why do you need to use these lights it's artistic I film school it's awesome yes to justify you don't understand it because it's different what does that mean good question as of now that means videos on foot imagine like it imagine he lives like that like the lights are like that in his house all the time oh that means he has to put them up and take our guests they're always there he just doesn't turn them on he's done the the max pain three thing on all the text where it's like got the red and the blues on the other side what is that called aboradic uh what's what is that called hold on I need to know I don't like chrome chromic aberration yeah I think that's it chromatic aberration I remember that yeah there's a setting in soma that's why I remember it and that's kind of what into the spider verse does looks like in two Batman forever the Disney plus shows donner superman movies and more that means for films hopefully through one and I know you guys want to hear my thoughts on other kinds even as it scrolls it's like trembling yeah he's considering that about too many fucking movies a month I would love to share those thoughts that's why I'm going to start live streaming at least once does he not have a lid on that nope it's for the honestly rex it's for the shot yeah it's for it to do that what a waste of food this is like well it's for over editing not sure if it will be on here or on my twitch but it's going to happen I'm also going to start oh no it's getting everywhere oh no and watching movies it looks cool waste of yeah I agree I agree it's always oh it's so messy and it's gonna popcorn's gonna get everywhere and then like it'll fall back into the onto the range and burn and it'll be all crispy and so I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and say so um you know how like in spider-man fire from home another movie that high stop doesn't like there's that scene where peter uses his spider sense in that black room to destroy all the drones and there isn't really any other shot that's quite like it it's kind of cool how like when you have shots that are really normal when the shots are crazy it stands out that's something worth considering the idea of maybe not every shot needs to be crazy and unique and full of colors and chromatic aberration it's just a thought well all the I've been I've been a lot of the people who saw far from home and didn't think much of it or didn't care about it I bet they remember all of like the hallucination sequences or all the like the dream if the whole illusion like that that would have probably wouldn't have remembered it so much it didn't need to complain you've complained that all those sequences were with CGI there's like yeah how are you supposed to do it well but it I actually think further than that it's literal like light illusions it is CGI yeah it is CGI in the universe it's computer generated imagery so but guys he's an illusion he makes illusions for people and false images and no hero is born of lies it all makes sense he's giving people except spider-man actually is way better at this point and it's not even the main point of that film oh my goodness movies idea when no idea so thank you for sticking with me this long thank you for the endless of yeah we actually watched the video are you proud of his heights up yeah we're at six and a half hours jesus fucking christ oh marcus is marcus brown wait is marcus brown the other guy i don't mark brown and the oh mark brown maybe that's his alias i think he spells it with a k but um uh okay clever his clever alias have a nice day his personal thank you for telling us to have a nice day mr alex oh god what a mess what a mess you gotta clean up yeah clear the look the popcorn gone in was it was it worth it was it worth it i don't know it because it's not even what a what an adventure what an adventure guys oh okay i guess we did it yeah maybe he ate it after we did it maybe eat the popcorn when it's done i don't know he seems like a dirty person so he might just because of his lighting rags really in his films wow look isn't she hot you know well he is pretty he's showing more emotion in this picture she absolutely is that's what i'm saying it's like it's it's just feels like that's all it's yeah we did it yeah we did it i couldn't say fuck the michael is that was that was that was really bad yeah just no emotion and yes it was really bad you know just like they all do it their pauses and their dramatic intonations and i don't know that's a mess your videos are amazing bro this one gave me the feeling you were talking about what cringe and he loved the comment this one gave me the feeling you were talking about jesus oh man it's not self aware cringe smaller that's the problem wait this movie made no sense at all worst movie ever the hot chick barely dressed wonder woman two thumbs down okay all right this entire carpentry is a crock of shit she literally snapped Maxwell Lord's deck in the comic which then went on to infinity crisis to show the consequences of actions this movie didn't even have the balls to address real world issues you like spider-man so much because it showed the cause and effect nature of power and the human aspect of superheroes but this movie literally went entirely against the comic that showed just that you have no clue what you're talking about oh well no but his point would stand if he's talking about valuing the cause and effect nature of of human aspect of superheroes and the way they use their power um so i will be right back i have to use the loop guy gets raped in this movie and the plot doesn't even acknowledge my fucking messed up but it was a wonderful movie indeed all is well until you realize Diana made a young Bruce Wayne renounces we should bring back his parents okay so the comment section isn't actually on his team that much um i agree that's really interesting i agree the movie had good intentions but it was clear that there were good ideas in there however the final product we got was a mess i think this film like i i would gaze if you got everybody who watched it most people have a negative view of it that's what i would bet yeah i think that this one was a step too far it makes too little sense that it's just like incomprehensible as we're watching the film i think we're struggling to try and figure out what's happening mm-hmm it was corny cheesy literally all the food related descriptors not as good as the first but it was genuine it made me cry and it made me smile i liked it i need him cry what i mean yeah i was were you not crying with laughter like come on no not even that not even that oh look at this this is 74 upvotes i kind of do heights off would like this after all he said spite about three was almost perfect i think that one haunts him because like nobody even like the hardcore rabie fans are going to tell you that spite about three is awesome i think there's some of them but yeah a lot of people like well yeah but i mean how you know do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do you know how do you how do you watch that scene and go like oh yeah this is actually a great movie that's what we call kino that's the german word for cinema oh my god i don't love this film nor hate it but damn it was so much fun okay was it though dab get on up it was just incredibly slow it's a comic book movie did everyone forget comic books were ridiculous with a lot of heart i love i just love the fucking defense like it was shitty back then it's shitty now what is i have a question if you watched a movie you know called waspman and it's just it's just superhero movie really bad just like one woman a four there's no comic it was based on just a movie is it is it bad because it didn't adapt to comic does the fact that these things come from comics have anything to do with how good they are or you can excuse it german not there because it's from a comic it's so silly and then if he said yes it would be bad i'd be like okay what if i reveal after the fact that it is based on a goofy comic then would you be like oh shit now it's good some more comments i'm just confused on how lord wasn't prosecuted at all i mean yeah i guess the wish disappeared like we saw with the missiles but he still should have been held accountable movie wasn't perfect but man it had heart shut up once a woman was made a selfish hero and even worse a callous rapist in this movie just awful 225 likes you know he added kinder after realizing how much everyone hated it yeah yeah yeah definitely i think so yeah he was being wishy washy about it oh listen to this one to summarize directors need to leave the script to the writers jenkins and snider have both proven that just because you can put a camera doesn't mean you should put your fingers on all the parts sit in your director's chair and stay out of the writers room oh damn yeah savage wonder woman was just never going to give this guy his body back if she didn't absolutely have to um i'm just annoyed that her ability to fly is basically shoved in there for some failed fan service that just makes justice league even more weird i've noticed that so much people like um it's kind of weird how she doesn't fly out um the idea of making steve trevor come back to life and somebody else's body just doesn't sit right with me it feels kind of rapey well 412 likes oh man you know what you restore a little bit of my faith in humanity just people like hey it's actually really wrong that this happens i kind of like this comment section this is much more reasonable as a comment section than i expected rags cooked some popcorn poop corn well didn't snide it don't worry about it don't worry about zack snider oh my god oh i feel like it's something to worry about i am worried i suppose unless there's anything else anyone wants to say on wonder woman 84 or high top um it wasn't no it was booby video films enough enough stop stop high top no i can't wait this is like it's gonna be great oh well from what we understand from uh good old patty jankins you know it's back in the hands of someone who understands the characters so yeah i i'm i look forward to seeing wonder woman with her sword at chopping things up oh you got smash brothers sounds so exciting so while we're watching this uh incredible video i've been playing with the cane and i haven't been using any fire papers for any of the bosses oh look at you look at your big chungus it kind of sucks you're just you're just prepping for the eventual race that you free and i shall do again yeah oh i think oh man fucking oh god we all are smaller and gang i think i'll i'll bounce because we're gonna have lunch now oh very well right before yeah before yeah we have what have lunch early like at 11 but we have to make the food so i'm gonna bounce now well tell people about shall we do yeah oh no that was a fun ride guys wasn't it wasn't wonder woman the best film ever made by absolutely liar yeah i've been a pencilist or like this it must be just great wait so this was all you're gonna you're gonna mention what why people should subscribe to you or are you just gonna leave like a mean man well people should subscribe to me because i'm cute and i have a nice voice so all right i mean it's good reason as any works for a lot of people yeah so but i i do video game and movie reviews and i haven't made anything recently but i am planning something so to everyone and watching please watch out for for the next videos i'm making i am making videos so that's watch out otherwise it would run you over while you're crossing the street what you're not looking both ways you need to watch out it's coming oh boy oh well thanks for joining us we can't for this wonderful thanks for having me here see on me that one take care guys good bye catch it bully boy see you later what the fuck was that man i agree and it's not my stream so i can't yell okay okay i'll i'll see you guys you get you yell later mama keep on being the superior you know w w initials having the first oh hell yeah i oh yeah as a parting shot i am of i am ashamed that i share an acronym with this film so fuck this film oh get right that's right that's it thanks guys see you later see you bye bye um i might also actually bid farewell i want to eat and i also have to go well cringe yeah all righty how do you really unlock any of the characters in melee oh i mean can you figure it out what why do you think ringy you haven't played it enough yeah well you gotta work on that all right i'm so sorry why don't you tell people about the channel in which you have unlocked all of the melee characters oh my god uh yeah so i'm i'm working on video crash bandicoot 4 you may have heard of that um so i've i've stopped playing the game now so now i'm just uh working on the script it's gonna be a big chunky chungus boys uh video so probably not anytime soon but yeah i got you i know all about that all about the chunky chungus boys probably something else in well yeah because you've been working on that mando video it's kind of the same situation it's gonna be a lot of work but hey look it's it's all in the spirit of christmas make a video i've got a rat yes it's all in the spirit of that thing that happened two weeks ago um but yeah it's been fun that video is pretty awful uh yeah i agree it was they all are just doesn't make a video do you mean when you say all do you mean all videos about wonder woman or just all videos well just you know it could it could be any number of things all videos on wonder waman's all videos on the dcu or just like emotion tizm films in general where it's just like hey look you tried around that's all that counts hey freak do you want to do you want to cover hi tops video on shizam being perfect did he did he say that he said it's the perfect dc movie what was this why i i can't remember what is free every scene she's saying i can't remember i'm pretty sure i have um i'm pretty sure i have but i don't feel like i remember much at all i remember you told me it was awful i think i watched it after that yeah it didn't help that i was told it was really good beforehand it was like well i remember when it was coming out it was getting really good reviews and everybody's like oh look it's fun that was the problem with the dc universe it's like oh no that wasn't like the main perfect and i love the fact that it's like the qualifier no it's the perfect dc movie it's like oh sorry it's not a perfect film then it's some arbitrary criteria that you've decided yeah it's just good with a really low bar okay yeah well that's awesome all right yeah i'll talk to you guys later see you later buh buh buh boy don't michael lush fucking sucks so bad or you suck dude no i agree you suck he nuked me twice with a stupid aoe move in the second phase like there's no there's like nothing nothing you could play more about it's so fucking bad i hated my blow help me it's too late for you also why aren't you streaming me as well as i'm just fucking around wow you don't want your fans to see you fail against mucolosh they've seen me fail enough actually that's like the most attempts i had to do getting a boss fight i'm not enough i just murdered mario how do you think i feel pretty good it's the first one first of which i was about spider vs but i believe rags actually answered it so we can jump right on ahead to have you ever swallowed a pull bullet moeller no i haven't no i have a lot i have not what is even a pl bullet i don't know it's like a super bullet kind of i think i think that's the implication so i'm gonna power it up bullet yes i'm gonna destroy two two innocent decays uh i see that avatar weekend warrior the shock outfit one is pretty neat uh hello all my inwards also finally finishing doxels one love this game also hi rags hello um yeah doxels is a fucking it's a beast of a play through your first time around good luck with that uh completion yo i wish i could play for the first time again that was fun oh yeah that's madacus is saying man of steel is a good film i'm not even meeting we'll see about that oh my god i've never seen that one i've never seen we shall we stand off meal what a kill oh that didn't count boom what the fuck well in dk so you know how bico let's just jump into the windows uh into the boroughs he just jumped like left from the window out of the borough not into it that's super weird let the man make his own decisions okay it'll be funny if he would just you zombie trash against the wall my oh this is terrifying okay fine i guess i'll just go down um my first super chat no way is anyone really defending one woman 1984 also give wealth my love um lots of people that defended it it was cringe um and hopefully it won't happen again but who am i kidding there's a little discover here on e-fap that people will defend anything anything yeah even the very concept of logic is called into questions it's like what used to you truly have none um have you watched sound of metal on prime wonderful story of a heavy metal drummer losing his hearing and coping with going deaf was really well written no i haven't i did not know that sounds interesting it's gay you should probably shouldn't keep calling things gay you're gonna get in trouble with the twitter police b why are you implying that gay insult yeah oh yeah that's because gay that's the worst thing oh my god have you oh wait did you notice that wonder woman tells steve don't use the sword those guys are innocent and then he immediately tries to shoot one of them it's weird also i am um well the guy has a gun right i don't know for that point you kind of you're running out of options you gotta yeah i'd have to watch it again to figure it out but steve in both movies seems to be the most um normal of people almost except for the whole he just doesn't seem to register what he's doing with someone else's body no character oh for fuck's sake now that ladies and gentlemen's what we call fun don't you want to play bloodborne race that sounds great this boss dude it's coming up bellies you guys able to separate art from the artist depends generally yes like it's not something i necessarily control it'll be uh if i'm like if i'm watching and so for example whenever i see amber hood pop up in anything now i'm gonna be like uh it's like why are you doing that she's a character in this i'm like yeah i know however it wouldn't play into whether or not uh i judged like how consistent it was of course i know to keep that separate i'm just talking about whether or not it can affect in my enjoyment yeah i imagine everybody's different with all the different examples how is he struggling michael ash do you know there's a taking dust where he nukes you and like instantly that that's the only one that kills me everything else is just a fucking drag yeah um michael ash does have like an insta kill depending on what build you have unfortunately guys so it can be a prick that sounds fun yeah um hi rags hey hi prospector m he's not even here uh no hi for you mauler oh but hello to your family oh look that's it's nice enough oh wow that uh also it tickles me in wonder woman 84 batman wished for his parents back a lot of people have been pointing that out because it's very possible it happened however unfortunate for him uh why theo fakes his accent and calls himself capital wait theo you think capital o and theo sound similar or am i missing something that oh yeah i didn't even i did not even know you just saw that oh man redrafting is difficult sometimes also rags will you be my dramatic purpose in valentine's day i'm kidding by the way your dramatic purpose i guess i i'm not sure what that means that reference dramatic purpose i yeah i don't quite know what that does refer to oh very strange on how would mr freeze how would mr freeze puns in endgame my guess is get back to the to reality iron man or don't choke on reality stones what's your guys is don't choke on realities stones maybe um but you still do cold related ones right yeah uh maybe like would would he be working with i don't think he would work with Thanos because if his objective was to eventually cure his wife the chances of both him and his wife surviving are not good not good no um so i would be i assume he would work with the heroes because he doesn't want like like he can't have an ice age if everyone's yeah yeah he wouldn't risk his wife getting killed that's the thing though i'm seriously on board with bringing mr freezing twin game yeah let's do it i love that he's the avatar of love or the paragon of love from uh crisis on infinitary just watched jojo part one it's a two out of ten at best the dialogue gets a zero a kid sneaks behind someone and shouts that he succeeded in sneaking behind well that might breach your uh further chances of the element of surprise benefiting you but what can you do if you're that excited you want to tell people about your success have you seen chris duckman's get out video no i'm not always the one where he talks about how he has black friends oh god oh yeah i've seen that it's hilarious was it jay i can't remember yeah i've been shown that i can't remember who it was though it's so embarrassing uh weekend how are you you've been absent from twitter for a while now i think that's probably fair twitter's not a fun place where people go to to to tweet who wants oh cool oh no what happened oh cool wow i'm oh wow that wasn't on stream that's something cool happened you should stream wow cool that was the most wow so i jumped down into a second phase i landed tentacles on the back staggered i can't move tentacles on the back staggered can't move tentacles on the back dead oh dude that'd have been great to have on racquet fuck me dude just more evidence the big glass fucking terrible boss holy ball sex hey i don't have to constantly see players game developers you don't have to you don't have to punish us we like you you can like you can have challenging fights where the player is constantly in control of their character it's okay mel you should stream so people have a choice of seeing bloodborne or super smash brothers i feel like that covers the entire demo of things you fat movies for shock boy and lava girl or any spy kids i mean i could see us doing that as a series yeah maybe pretty they're pretty crazy you know you want to we all know they have the best CGI of any film that's ever existed so true just spilling the truth on us all over us uh sorry this is too if this is too personal but i always wanted to ask how do your families feel about your success online do they get it do they not understand it um my family doesn't know that really any of the details and i keep my personal life and my work life separate but they're very very glad that i am independent in what i do and that i found something that i enjoy and that i don't have to like ask them for money and that i'm you know living a life and supporting myself so yeah they're very uh they're very glad of that yeah my parents is over the moon with all of it and how it how it worked out very very happy they don't understand much of anything about it of course but that's fine i can't really the game just drops two maximum tomatoes on him thanks come get me you bitch okay i didn't mean it don't do it don't actually come get me die yes he died first i think i died as well but i didn't count but yeah i i don't know if i've said on ifa before but i was a um my sister's wedding and like a distant family member was like what is it what is it that you do now and i was like oh you know it's just like uh sort of like film is review thing and he's like review films well well how does how does that work people have asked me that uh fairly often actually like how does that work how do you make money doing that i don't understand like i know youtube but how was that yeah how do you make money i have to explain them you know sometimes i weigh up if it's worth it i'm like um you know oh you just get money from like ads and people can send you money if they want i can kill myself oh okay all right i don't think of the snorlax boo yeah um you know the the the family members are always just like you know what i may not understand it but it seems like it's good i'm just like yeah it is feel very complicated sometimes um video to cover is patrick willams what's the point of r-rated superheroes says when a superhero film is r it's saying this character was that was made for children is not meant for them anymore that movie isn't meant for them yeah i guess i would want more context on that before deciding exactly what i think he's trying to like what does he mean the character's not for you anymore like yeah i'm live happening now it sounds a little bit more dramatic than yeah this age rating is out of your bracket you know i mean i have gone live are you happy now nope wait what wait now you got to recreate that glitch or whatever happened i don't i don't want to though even if it makes you sad again god someone poke him oh look oh so if i stream at three a.m in the morning i get the quality options that yay you're gonna fuck over your schedule again there's some bandwidth for you it's three a.m like you're you're already yeah you're at three a.m and how long you wouldn't be waking up for waking up for that's uh yeah that's what i've got it awake for i mean i walk up at like half past one p.m today because i was slept i didn't even want to sleep that long but how can't you ever slap how can't you slap i know all right wait game geez a two dollar super chat doesn't give enough characters to w wait a minute i get it this super chat is funded by the bill and melinda gates foundation hey bill and melinda gates have been funding e-fap how about it sick i kind of always knew just why wouldn't they oh there we go i hope you mad lads are having a good day got any plans for 2021 or are you just hoping to survive if by plans are you asking like content wise i imagine rags and i are going to be doing some e-fap in in 2021 possibly yeah can i be on uh we check the polls you're just not getting high ratings anymore people think you're pathetic annoying i don't know what to say come on let me on this is not safe is it oh oh no i'll say i'm i'm i'm doing the highlights right now uh then john wick two and i i should not entirely show what i do after that but when i do something with john wick one i guess maybe john wick four is up and then who fucking knows and with me it's like oh things will be happening but i'm gonna tell you about any of them so that they can be nice surprises instead of failed promises you know because things can change guys do you see how epic the michael ash fighters i'm running in the circle and him and i had once in a while that's so cool i'm like my fight this time is like exactly like 40 years clips we watched yesterday it's funny dude just captain felt fucking me up good john your moods i'm trying look at his tizby's track as well as i can hey we'll see a hello everyone in my chat the one that's just going oh no i'm in a way jump in the way i'm doing some more visual stuff on them this time like some different giffenheimers and all that stuff there's some fun stuff in there i tried to don't overdo it so there's just some clips without anything we obviously could like edit every single clip but i think there would be a little bit of overkill but i think there's like 30 minutes of it edited now so there's like still one and a half hours left you won't die a lot of clips there we go he died premium content metal yeah i mean even that fucking thing is gonna get redrafted i'm gonna proof watch it and then let other people proof watch it redraft it yeah redraft a highlight video uh-oh um wait i don't know are you a writer if that's the right term in that regard because there's no scripts it's just like more like proof watching i guess i'm just saying that i care that i put out a good highlight video okay okay don't you rags what are you doing for 2021 oh i haven't planned that far ahead well what about you southpaw 2021 um well apparently there's a growing movement that spider-man 3 is actually a misunderstood an unironically good movie hmm are you you're looking to dispel such rumors possibly might even go after the first movie too because i'm spotting some issues with that one as well you think you just kind of hate everything huh yeah i do why can't you just let love something just end the sentence there why could you just let love why love yeah such an edgy boy oh what are you gonna say next fucking masterpieces like let me jump in this direction so maybe he doesn't stand like we this time i squished him wait what the fuck was he trying to do you should let him stun lock you as part of the game just grabbed like he was trying to use an item it would be awesome if you stop his attack but he still does it it would be awesome if you did an e-fap on chevrilla's productions why bojack is the best thing that ever happened would love to hear your thoughts that i'm do anyway i do that as if i rewatch bojack and i am not fucking wasting that amount of time it's not happening i'm gonna heal he's gonna do his attack oh i was fast enough greetings have some money you massive it's been watching since e-fap 66 and love your content really liked watching you tear mando apart please tcw next oh no you're my goodness don't want it well i guess that guy wants it which is fair i've seen a growing sense but of like they want us to watch it to tear it apart there's there's two factions right now okay the ones that want us to enjoy it and the ones that want us to destroy it you can do it yeah he didn't stop like me to honestly even if we wanted to i don't know how we're fitting that into our schedules watching it all of tcw you have to hire someone to edit all of them too because the fucking way i'm gonna be able to mando is only eight episodes and that knocked a whole uh what was my unit of measurement a flak a flimp i don't know that much there was obviously first try i was just joking i'd never died to this boss in my life i'm just stabbing no i reckon you're a liar i would have loved to have that last attempt on screen on stream damn it that was insane still my heart oh it did so rude you're fucking lying fuck these little weird children up yeah we gave these children hammers it was a flap yeah um find someone to dislike bojack and then cover that video there's gotta be one out there somewhere yeah yeah i from what i've heard i don't want to go i've only seen an episode sure but all i hear terrible things from the people i trust i ain't going anywhere near that show oh miami's committed suicide that's nice um hey moobly last time i asked ragu to tell you to watch ghost in the shell now it's your turn to tell him why he should play hotline miami one and two um have you actually played any of them at all i have not i've heard they're good well the soundtrack's pretty baller and it combines well with the um what's what's the genre name it's like that's a question i can twin stick shooter i guess right well not yeah yeah i think that's it it's symmetric what's your what's your qualified as a puzzle game it's kind of puzzling it's kind of puzzling i can't see how that game would do puzzling yeah like i'd say gunpoint is a puzzle game kind of yeah yeah yeah um a lot of fun pretty like unforgivingly hard at some points but at the same time pretty rewarding um i mean you probably know all of the reasons why you would enjoy it at this point anyway so check it out if you really want it yeah i can really thumbs up it seems pretty appealing in terms of like an idea for a game and it's not so large scale that i just lose too much time playing it mm-hmm seems like the kind of game i would tackle right now really only doing casual games in between working on the video um just i'll be just be working maybe like yeah it's time for a stardew break mm-hmm they're gonna do my guild wars dailies or something like that i swallowed a bullet in anomalies memory swallowed one in anomalies memory not entirely sure what that means six flaps and seven thousand meters that's pretty good wonder woman 1945 hero shima wonder what she thought about that uh what do you think about big hero six also his rags what i don't know maybe they meant hi i'm gonna assume you meant hi in uh hello to you and thank you and if you didn't mean hi well you got one anyway so yeah that's that's that's customer service right there oh yeah you don't get this just anywhere yeah that's right and uh but i lost it what was the first thing oh yeah big hero six i've not seen it uh don't know if any of you guys i've seen it i've seen it i really liked it a whole bunch i don't know if it holds up objectively but i really liked it haven't seen it right but some points and stamina next just a little just just just a little bit a little point in there i hit someone argue that when stuff is bad it's hard to point out a lack of interesting stuff so it's easier to cite logical errors but when something has logical errors but interesting stuff it's good what a stupid argument well so it's under the assumption of it's kind of a bad faith perspective of somebody like they're not being honest that they just didn't like it instead they cite these logical things and try and claim that's why it's like um i thought we were in the business of assuming that people are being honest when they list their reasons and even if you don't think they're honest can you address the arguments maybe yeah also the logical arguments and them enjoying it are kind of two different things well i guess he's saying that there's people out there who think the only time we would someone like us would cite uh logical is the problem is when we dislike the thing and we wouldn't do it stuff we do like because we're just trying to find a reason to explain why we're more right to dislike it now burning me shouldn't stop me from being fiery oh my boy nice oh pikachu and zaptoz fucking bringing him down nice pikachu fucking me it's lucky that wonder woman and steve didn't get guy injured arrested or fired from his job in the two three days their ventures lost it also high metal yerp so is barbara oh hey it's giga bowser going to jail at the weirdest day people are saying i was flying a jet and shit i don't i don't know what the fuck happens i don't do it bar they swear i just woke up at some loans like fbi open up keep my lasers bitch i can't remember how hard this fight is assuming he's kind of an idiot i'd say it's like at least oh now it's slightly more fair off the edge you go you bastard i know you thought it was something you just thought it bald your water keeps track of the shit what that locked me out boo you're going down not a t-rex person Monday Thor Ragnarok is the worst Thor movie and it is a terrible movie with Ghostbusters 2016 like humor and bad acting and bad CGI changed my mind no i'm just not that invested and changed your mind on that one if you feel that way very well i thought it was real funny gave me the big old chuckle tens chuckle tens even and why why do you get to go so far good about it that's kind of racist oh why did i do this to myself come on pigs killed those shadows for me a very loud um plane went overhead and i thought it was raining for a second my god oh the last one ended with also high metal hello i know right crazy hello and hyme governor stargic critic last action hero vid tis bad well we'd have to watch the movie first wouldn't wait for maybe three fat movies we could we could do that i think i've not seen it long enough and charles dances in it so hi massives hello hi um my grandparents passed away due to coo few days ago thanks for doing tis me fun to help with it and enjoy the moopa art i made man i'm really sorry to hear about that man yeah that sucks yeah i'm really sorry about that but i'm glad we can help fuck over yeah right in the ear really sorry and uh i'm not a hundred percent sure if i've seen whatever art you're referring to but i do trank you track of uh the twitter and the fat memes sort of thing on the discord and thank you so much for making it and um of course it's always good to hear that any of our tisem re can help out with um the gayness that is 2020 and 2021 2020 part two if you will what do i even get to fight giga bowser anymore i guess i guess i missed out because i failed so miserably it's only put him down howdy tizmos was a bro funny how someone can think emotion and logic are opposite how can i develop an emotional connection to something if i can't imagine myself in somewhat of a relation to it in my mind aka understand it they're not opposites they're just different i just um you leave saying they're opposites it's annoying uh yeah but they're definitely built on top of each other very often and when you see when you like things they're it's for a reason you might not know what the reason is might be subconscious or you might just not be aware of why but a lot of the times there are very logical reasons why you like things flicked at organ oh that's cool very epic winter lanterns can die in a fire frenzy mechanic can die in a fire um hell yeah chinese food and e-fap on my birthday could only be better if tonal just appears out of nowhere again i had chinese food yesterday high five tonal is quite um an elusive figure and he does come and go at will it's a wonderful little element of his existence we should soon love to see him again so you guys are talking about the characters in mandalorian aren't really characters clomels has actual characters with motivations even though i agree that the show isn't great i'm sure some in there so it sounded like you're trying to sort of prop up tcw by having more character than uh uh good ol mandalorian and this isn't meant to come across insulting to the prospect but i think everything has more character than mando at least at the very least it'll be the same or more i'm also pretty sure that the clone wars has more like themes and what not the mandalorian does new forms and did you beat cause yes urban i didn't really don't fuck yourself if you're gonna ask me what the least damaged character is in mando like the ones who basically are the least involved in the story would kind of sort of be my answer there aren't really characters in the mandalorian that act like real people would act go to a better form shut up for tia why aren't you in bed it's the same what a coincidence for tia we're watching all your clips about how you dealt with michael arge back in the day today yeah today or yesterday i can't remember anymore that was really funny we didn't say you suck don't tell him man you'll get all upset i heard so much about you high top makes me want to eat a bullet no don't do it i heard it's very unhealthy to eat a bullet oh yeah that's if there's yeah the lead isn't good for you i can cause some health issues just a memory loss and things of that nature do you guys want to eat a bullet or a plub bullet i tripped no i probably go with a plub bullet in the hopes that it's not quite a bullet uh you know i mean i i would happily eat a plub bullet but the idea is i actually just simply swallow it you know not actually nobody's gonna be chewing on a bullet are they don't hurt metal chat but other than efab chat i mean yeah wait this is please watch high tops terrible spider man takes um i believe it's like efab number fucking i don't even know anymore but we cover two of them oh god damn it how'd you go back there to get my are you referring to your terrible spider man take and saying that sermon two isn't good it's perfect for your baby oh yeah you know what he has a lot of spider man takes so maybe we didn't cover the one you're thinking of i don't know we uh we've covered his home coming in far from home ones i think that's cool he's just trying to emulate wonder woman from the first movie he'll defeat your criticisms with love oh no i think he can do it can you fire laser of love at efab i sure do hope not i'm telling them there's a cancer yes can watch it from banana peels yeah oh my god the movies in this game uh i don't think the main game has any mimics i'm not sure about the chalice dungeon if there are any movies but i don't think so uh the lasso can catch slash block bullets latch on to lightning and all this but can't go through a gust of wind okay um run gelon those things are very different all right catching all of that wind also it can go through wind we saw it go through at the end so get correct we just didn't for a bit for some reason hey chat we can send super chats for free look at this nerd wow y'all remember high tops meltdown on me laugh my ass off oh that's the loveless guy the one that yeah we covered that at the beginning yeah he was unhappy with what you said to imply that he doesn't even write or redraft i guess because that is super insulting to a man of his stature called redraft was implied if endgame had a reveal from dr strange explaining that when he looked into the future during infinity war rose uh he saw thanos destroy the stones after the first snap this influences strange is the choice to let thanos win resulting in the timeline where the stones will be in a state when which they can never be used like this again the hardest choices require the strongest will um i don't even think that he necessarily wants all the stones destroyed because that doesn't need desperately want to protect the time stone because it's super useful at protecting people and then of course there's the fact that he would know from checking all the timelines all he needed to do fuck you uh was essentially just stop star lord okay that just happened from fucking up the whole thing like if he he knows that but if you want to make a motivation for why he wanted the stones destroyed and that this was the only way um it would have cost surely it would have been more intelligent to defeat thanos and then essentially have a timeline where you have um the team uh one of them sacrifices either themselves fully or a portion of themselves to destroy the stones like hulk could theoretically do it i assume instead of having uh vision die loki die an iron man die like i don't know yeah i'm black widow so good night so not sure about all that you know not sure if any of you mad lads played any monster hunter games i highly recommend yes i've played uh i've played the last one that came out uh haven't played the dlc yet though i might do that someday if i have unlimited time on my hands so yeah i liked it like a lot yeah i'm a big fan of monster hunter i don't play it that much these days though weekend pride worldwide i can agree with that did you kill all the bosses yet mortal uh i did kill all the bosses on my other playthrough but this is like a new one that i just started when we started the event so no i have not in this one i wish in the monster in the movie the beginning should be my name is alice i work for umbrella corporation yev umbrella created monsters the whole world of monsters terrifying someone has to stop we'll be traveling through their 17 underground facilities even though there's an apocalypse like an apocalypse nice thanks like more like my cock on her lips oh nice really you opened with that move link why such a piece of shit so yeah a little little cringe boy oh wow that killed him okay i'm okay with it now that's fine i played doki doki literally club twice and i'm pissed i want to have a rant video coming soon oh do it well looks like it didn't work out for everybody uh he said he also said infinity wall was bad because it was fast paced okay i thought apparently i thought you would like infinity wall yes no it's uh harm some echoes and get some lower level the runes little clown boys oh and high top said that Thor Ragnarok is mediocre and that the first Thor movie is great uh well that is true the first Thor movie i think the first one story that was fucking boring it was first one's boring the second one is bad and very forgettable and the third one is a great um oh you know fair enough again for e-fat movies i recommend better off dead and one crazy summer there are a lot like jingle all the way you'll love them perhaps they shall see some exposure in the future who knows oh my god uh will be the one argument to convince someone that the Mandalorian is bad specifically din's character doesn't really have one and he constantly he constantly acts contradictory to what his upbringing should be and he has incredible plot armor unlike anything i've ever seen not sure what i would appeal to you can't accomplish and he's not actually a bad ass they just try to trick you into thinking he's a bad ass yeah he's a buffoon he's an idiot he constantly does things that are extremely stupid one need only look at season two episode three when he just runs right into a hallway and gets hit like 24 times with blaster bolts and just you know they all hit his armor uh didn't get the tisms the answer like the first and foremost sort of best argument to use to convince someone it's like really depends on who you're talking to i guess uh wait yeah you might want to start off by asking what is like bad what would you consider bad like what what is it in something that makes it bad just before we begin because you might be talking to somebody you could tell them all the issues of Mandalorian which are basically everything except the the graphics and the music and they'll be like oh yeah well i liked it it just feels like star wars to me and you've wasted your time so i would double check on that before you even start a conversation because you might just be actually wasting your time with an idiot i had a a discussion that went over five hours about uh starting to with a couple guys that um like we started kind of uh it was it was sort of like a feud on twitter that then turned into uh like we'll do a five hour long voice call and thought theater was there too and it's it's up on my channel if you want to check it out but um it's basically a good portion of it is me just trying to ask them hey so what is uh what's a nitpick to you guys trying to get them to agree okay last Jedi is bad for x y and z reasons right the ones that i believe are reasons why the last Jedi is pretty bad or things in the last Jedi that i think are bad that fireman 2 happens to have in common get them to agree to that get them to just like just set a baseline right you set a baseline for what their standard for quality is and like ask them uh if certain things that are in something that they didn't like are bad things that you know are in the thing that you're about to like discuss with them and once you have that baseline set you should be good uh good let's go so and hopefully whatever they say you can apply something from mando from it if that's kind of what we're going with that yeah because mando is kind of bad in like all the classic ways that's a lot of glowy eyes yeah you can tell that guy has seen mandalorian poor pig yeah he didn't deserve it now his butt is getting wrecked if that movie's chud this is not a drill um you're chud got him i you know i i'm not entirely sure what chud is but i like chum like a chum bucket like a bucket of chum like proficient for sharks get the bucket of chum just chud i don't know some some meow chow it's a soy boy's way of saying chad did you guys hear about arch losing his channel it got hacked yeah so yeah and so they did the whole it got hacked and then it started streaming for like bitcoin shit um so i would expect it to be back because that's been happening to some more hammer related channels before i think it happened to astartes for instance so yeah hopefully i'll be back soon i think it is i think i saw something on twitter today if i'm not mistaken yeah i suck so if it's sort out i might even be by now i don't know fuck fuck it's done dogs i recommend covering have you ever considered sirberus for halloween like how i considered him like how i considered him fucking me silly yeah did mutil punched the orphan to death i did indeed i did indeed fuck you orphan i uh i changed back from the kirk hammer back to the sock lever and that was a good decision and a good thing someone pointed out that you just try and yeah don't use the kirk hammer against cause it's not very effective the visor is just don't hit properly oh yeah here we go uh i recommend pick give me your xp i recommend covering love a boy meteors why i love bvs with high tops for e-faps dc you you arc i can't get past the first five minutes of it maybe we will maybe you just better basically one shot up with the kirk hammer that's a lie first phase is really easy with kirk hammer though it gives a stagram to shit for the second phase you just slew um a wish for your own death wouldn't be able to be retracted high rags hello true that's true yeah you can't retract that and of course if you die that still has a lot of not has a lot of uh a lot of issues creates a lot of things will happen now that would not have happened yeah people will know you are gone i'm an idiot i use whatever weapon i'm trying to main on a character no matter how much trouble that's giving me well that's the reason why i did attempts for hours and hours and then change the weapon and finished it in like 30 hours so there you go pp iraq gay hello is that a g word the gamer word thoughts on anomaly ink acting like a child and honestly not like yourself who is normally calm and collected during his convos in your streams um i mean so many thoughts could be had upon such a situation i can't imagine what one could formulate as a response to a situation from me and rags where someone tells the x third host of efap to go and kill themselves i'm sure that would go down great with us there's a lot of nuance to it really i mean at least he didn't double or triple down yeah that would be really dumb of him both tactically and morally mm-hmm as you can tell we're just overjoyed that's great we love it pretty epic gamer move fucking kibby no don't fuck her be he's like i don't know it seems like it's just a big pillow i don't know also he sucks real good though then he copies your dna or something this is kind of terrifying it is yeah i was just shooting a ray gun at kirby this is peak gaming fuck off you bastard uh lord long bone of muptulington abbey have you heard of a channel darthed do you think that efap worthy if you have they seem like a bizarro just right ps hello wags these switches for the good boy oh hello um i've heard of daft i think but i i've never seen a video from so i don't know but who knows for this daft challenge because steve learned that move from the soldier earlier in the fight scene when he did the same move and steve said something like that's new or something oh if that's what happened i prefer that because i think he wasted the fuck out of his wish if that's what he did but if like the guy did it to him earlier and then he's using the move on max because he saw that guy do earlier i think that's cool there i praised the movie happy now no i don't just say everything goes this way chat keeps on asking when did anomaly say this so i'll do my bike quick explain the situation yeah why when and you know knee house go ahead okay knee how so i guess uh basically there was a discussion anomaly had with a fellow on twitter about the first rainy spider-man movie and spider-verse i guess eventually i got involved too of course like keep getting dragged and you just bring yourself into all these buddhman conversations don't you yeah i do i really do and uh so then i guess because anomaly doesn't do a terribly great job at rebunning my arguments or the other guy's arguments his names sk sk comics uh he then unleashes on sk and a bunch of dms um and eventually he makes a comment um which is like like basically god so he complained that i supposedly recorded him in a private conversation without his consent um what happened was this is a thing that i recently uploaded to my second channel moller you and i and anomaly a couple other guys were going to call and we were reacting to the bank scene from that was a really dumb superhero movie um we were just watching it together and anomaly was there and uh he like i was like i'm gonna record this i recorded it because hey i like you know hearing mooch these reactions to tizm maybe this will be a fun thing to upload i don't know if i'll upload it who knows um waited on it until this past week because like well uh if this gets uploaded and mollers fans see it and they'd see him laughing at a terrible scene from a beloved movie they're going to be demanding him to deal like a video series or something on it um so eventually i make my video i deal with the fallout uh eventually a bunch of people you know come to the conclusion okay yeah this movie's bad and then uh i had moller go through it see if there is anything that he wanted me to edit out because of you know maybe something that he like like a take that he's not ready to release or whatever anything he might have regretted saying and he went through it said no he may upload it so i uploaded it but anomaly ink just happened to be there and he was providing some not so convincing defenses of that scene as he's known to do with other movies like you know star wars prequels hot take their garbage um and so but yeah like he i wasn't recording him without his consent i made a pair i was gonna record before it hit recording and then i reminded them like 54 minutes into recording like yeah i've been recording this i don't know what i'm gonna do with it um he raised no objections to that he raised no objections to me at all in the three months since it was recorded then he decides to should talk to me sorry should talk to s k about me uh complaining about being recorded without his consent and so i uh i decided to call him out on it enough i did off anomaly go off enough so i you know oh sorry s k shared the screenshots of these dms of anomaly uh basically acting like a child and i just took the one screenshot of him just talking about me making this pretty serious accusation and oh he also accused me of cherry picking spider-man two defenses which um you'd have to do because my video is so terrible yeah but you know it's not like i've been literally trying to address every single one that i've been getting and all of them happen to be bad i wonder why that is um so yeah i was really pissed about that in particular too just because it's like all the shit that i've been dealing with the last three months and you're accusing me of cherry picking okay um and so there was a like okay before this really blows up wolf who's aware of anomaly uh sending these dms to s k that you know he decides he's going to offer it to be like a mediator of sorts so i message anomaly i'm like hey would you like to be in a call with me and wolf and he says after the shit you pulled last night which was just me simply arguing against him and also offering criticism of his argumentation and his videos i said he's just really bad at criticizing things and and defending things and he says nah i'm great actually but whatever um so he just doesn't handle criticism very well and then uh when i offered him to be in a call with me and wolf and wolf just simply wanted to try to like mediate here and anomaly then told me uh no and after the shit that wolf pulled last year tell him to eat a play bullet a play bullet you say a play bullet this does sound like it doesn't still doesn't sound like a real war to me i don't know right so that when i when i call him out on twitter um there's a series of tweets between him and me that just escalate to the point where he says you need to grow the fuck up so he said he tweeted to me i need to grow up after he had sent me that wolf needs to go eat a play bullet do you guys recognize any irony there whatsoever any sort of irony very mature a play bullet yeah so oh by the way like a latin word for lead which is plumb them which like wolf by the way apparently what he did it was just simply again wolf criticizing him uh in his shitty videos um so yeah again he doesn't take criticism very well so he's saying wolf needs to eat a play bullet um and then you know he tells me over twitter that i need to grow the fuck up so naturally when you tell someone hey tell your friend to eat a play bullet and then later like 30 minutes later you know you say you need to grow the fuck up well i'm just gonna say he asked for it okay he kind of asked for it so i decided to post a screencap of him saying that um like i'm not the one that told wolf to go kill himself all right i'm not the one that needs to grow up here normally you do um and then he proceeded to double and triple and quadruple and quintuple and sex tuple down so oh i love sex tuple yeah he's um even got quoted by critical drinker and cj and jay let's just say telling fellow content creators with no hint of levity that they should end their own lives is not hugely appreciated like it's not something that people really like that much yeah i'm not a big fan myself uh i'm just gonna let that out there i'll take i'll take the arch then give someone in chat saying wolf has called people to do the same thing as well uh i would imagine wouldn't want to speak for wolf but i'd imagine he would say he he would never mean for that's actually to happen yeah i think if you because i've done that too double down on yeah i've done it in the stream but it's always jokingly and it's not serious it's about dumb things like misspelling a word or just having a wrong opinion on like pizza toppings you know it's it's always very clearly jovial like the joke of it is that it's so over the top i would never double down and act as if i really mean it if i was questioned on an instance of it and if wolf would do that then i mean sure that would be hypocritical but um i doubt he would also uh there's the fact that um i think that there is a difference between telling someone to kill themselves without actually knowing that they have like a history of mental illness or depression or suicidal like inclinations and uh then knowing as anomaly did anomaly knew that wolf uh struggled with depression um and then telling him to go kill himself anyways and i'm aware of other heinous things that anomaly said to wolf's face in a call that you know was had lately that night but i'm not going to disclose them because unfortunately unlike with the eat a plat bullet i can't have evidence for it i can i only have wolf's word as to what he said and uh honestly don't even think that the eat a plat bullet comment was the worst thing that anomaly said just gonna put it out there it's less to do with like the the choice of everything more to do with the sentiment behind all of it is just a genuine desire for him to kill himself like damn well i guess that puts you in a category bye like moller moller so when you said oh toy story four is the best one right if i had said kill yourself you know you know that i would be joking there's like a difference there but i mean there's just i don't even know of an instance where i'm on efat podcast and i say kill yourself to anything ever that i actually mean it that's just never the case right hyperbole as they call it fortunately when you look for that clarification with other people and they like absolutely not i would wish for them to end their old lives like oh damn i guess we were on two different wavelengths this whole time and with anomaly who has demonstrated to have serious anger issues especially like in this current situation it's like yeah pretty easy to interpret his actions as like no he unironically wants more skills off weird choice and very odd especially about a spider-man move yeah this is probably the part that really blows people's minds but i mean you know people get intense online and uh people were obviously intense when they saw what he had said and i i would like to think that he's come around but i doubt it uh with some of the stuff i've seen him say it's like okie dokie then not even the first person i've seen telling people to kill themselves a first part of my movie not even the first efat guest or a member of the community or memer or whatever to do it there's others trust me spider-man rots the brain the crazy spider-man will out there uh pee pee poo poo uh long bone your content is great thanks from texas us oh i'm not the other texas yeah there's a texas in wales i'm sure of it uh can you bring on quinn curio as a guest uh if she's interested i am on board i like her videos yeah yeah absolutely i advocate justice for handsome man he joins the dawn as a group of wonderful men in film who were wronged by selfish women agreed still funny just called him handsome man it's like it's a little tally the guy don't forget john jamison oh yeah they just keep on coming uh so fun fact when the ship is in the first movie randomly sinks the Germans in the boats are fleeing a doomed vessel attacking them as a war crime fun but why was it doomed what like remember the ship that like fucking falls over at the beginning of Wonder Woman like why did that happen i don't know also they find it out they shot though the amazonians first so i don't know that that would count oh damn that's me gone uh see ya Wonder Woman wished that steve would return in an other man's body i don't see why else the movie did what it did see what i mean the braid tries its best to make sense of what happened it's like patty why did Wonder Woman wish he would come back but in a different body and she's like she didn't like oh oh what's going on your movie's weird uh maniacal for nursing it's a crappy thing to do for sure but why do you care so much this is the internet people tell each other to kill themselves all the time come to the territory ignore it move on um it's not that it's really harmful it's that it's just it it's a shitty thing to do it's a sentiment right i assume that's what the issue stands yeah and i mean that's what's the double down that's the biggest issue i would say i would say it again i think was uh what's the tweet or something yeah i would say it again and i also uh didn't even bring it up until after he was accusing me of being immature and it's like all right you just fucking sign your own death warrant by anomaly like he seems to have no regrets over it so i would have kept it private like i i didn't it's not like i i he set me that and i immediately went wow look what anomaly ink did here but man you uh we backed out and then you accuse people of being immature the same people that you uh have just told you know some pretty shitty things it's not very smart weekend is one of the best efab guests well he's not even here what if steve was not the in handsome guy's body but some fat dude yeah i said that during uh what we were watching her just video it'd be funny dude really a fucking love weekend on here don't let the trolls get you down weekend we've been getting a lot of spurgs in our efab audience lately you're all being with me fred i mean i i think most people like weekend there's no concern i think it's a bit of a tism let's go ahead big old tism boy german hatred i never thought i'd see the day lie i guess bob oh man off you go bitch yeah eat this grab some water i'll be right back you'll be careful guarantee you won't be careful it might take you more than a week to decide a movie makes no sense but it takes you less than 10 hours to play through ddlc do it dumbo's oh well it's gonna better be amazing with how much people tell me to play it yeah though i am glad we watched hardcore henry mm-hmm uh rags i want you to elaborate on why you believe cronks cronk would be better than kratos would be better than kratos better at what i don't know yeah if i don't know what like better yeah i don't know what you mean if i don't know what's better or not than better at fixing up the spinach puffs i guess yeah his spinach puffs look pretty good that's why it's still hot uh how did steve trevor know how to use an rpg and modern weaponry that's a good question you learn how to fly a plane in like two minutes so he's just a genius accept it uh it might take you oh wait uh metal is a scrub who uses kirk hammer everyone laugh oh lucky he's not here because he would have fucking he would have raged out mel's that kind of guy uh astronauts okay men who would win in a fight please discuss out at what in a what fight well so the interesting part of the question is that it doesn't include restrictions or environment so rags who would win in a fight in an either just a cube of a room but obviously with oxygen and shit um astronaut just grab from space or a caveman grab from whatever time probably an astronaut you think yeah i would say i think astronaut yeah uh so my reasoning is that i think that so astronauts you have to be very physically fit you have to a lot of exercising a very very healthy diet that keeps you very strong they'd be maybe a lot healthier i feel they would be a lot more like physically in their prime to do that sort of thing um i think that a caveman would just not be as strong as a a modern human who is being trained to do that sort of thing and going into those environments what if it's ega what if the what if the caveman is ega who's ega you've not seen ega no clearly not only um especially if the thing is called the thing i'm asking what it is okay well let me see if i can pull this up for you see yeah because the thing is like cavemen were not bodybuilders no but at the same time i would presume the ferocity and the the the nature of being in a will that's constantly out to kill you in some way shape or form would bring them to a position where they're more likely to just tear an astronaut apart if the pretense is that they both are going to fight to the death and they know this that that's ega right there let me check ega ega i want chugs those babes ega's love of a pre-ethoric giant for a ravishing teenage girl oh my god what's this ega's absolutely e fat movies were too do you think it's better than turns on love breaks the time barrier it's it's absolutely amazing i would love to watch it i will say though with no context i'm very glad that question was asked thank you super chance you're the best guest here southpaw hey thank you i disagree wow can't just let one person shine for more than a second when it's not about you huh no such a racism give me best guess or let's speak let's click no just put down put the let's click down what the let's click down uh metalers a scrub who uses k camera i meant to read that out while you were here and you went so how do you feel well yeah i know right just trying to have fun and what gave it just gave me pain oh man i blew myself i didn't even kill daisy oh why would they start chanting go peach after i died is that condescension i see right through you game season two the crossover i don't know what i was referring to my ass do you think shabadi g had to give back his free coffee yes the we'll never get an answer that question so fucked up and keep your carry on i care about him and his coffee that is a question that that burns as much as that coffee must have burned his tongue as a result of when he's by effect poor lad is that a sign of too much ifap if when watching blind matter that one of my first thoughts was oh i didn't realize er was in this that's reasonable i think everybody kind of knew we said yep it's like oh my god it's yeah yeah enough stop at the aisle if any of the e-fappers get married with the others attend the wedding i mean possible who gets married if one of the e-fappers were to get married with the others attend the wedding sure i would i don't see why not yeah why not maybe when turned up everyone's allowed to travel everywhere again don't get married until then rags okay promise pinky promise i'm pretty sure that like a lot of weddings are not happening until oh man i blew myself mubiltisms 2021 do you have a problem with people blowing themselves no but i thought you should get married for e-fap wait why get married for e-fap what would be yeah every 100 episodes an e-fapper has to get married is it because i'm turning 30 you're old yeah i can't even fucking celebrate it with my friends because i can't do anything fucking cove it cove it is cringe there i said it also thoughts on island at the end of that question island it's it's i it's neat i like it whatever you guys thought stop it help help getting raped daddy it's not horrible for you it's not when the wham what was the question i'm sorry thoughts on island what is island i know about the island ireland oh ireland oh i didn't i didn't detect your thoughts on ireland ireland um never been i don't really have any it looks like a lovely country i'd love to visit mel you haven't explained your thoughts on island what the fuck tell me what you think of ireland go anything about the ireland you're just mad because you're really bad at blood we're going um how much do i have to pay for rags to do a do his babu freak voice for the rest of the stream or rather it was just a whole stream actually i'm all i tell him i don't know how much how much do you know i i see you you got all you got all the answers you're the you're the efab i don't know that you'd be able to do a babu freak voice for an entire efab stream without fucking either killing yourself or essentially driving everyone mad i mean our only references bonuses the only reference for like what babu freak sounds like is him saying hey no he says words and written alien speak i think so yeah does he yeah they're not english but that's because but that's because hey hey trends it transcends all language barriers true that's why i don't that's why i never have to define it a worry about it because it's just you know that's why it is hey metal if you played blasphemous this is a 2d souls likes game where you start playing it's pretty fun i did play it and i streamed it is it uploaded highlights in my yet it's even in the highlights whoa there's some me dying it's it's pretty funny but yeah i like that game it's uh has a cool art style as well i liked it a lot uh this is what the fuck are you doing i'm answering super chats and casually playing the game wow stop it you wait what who why is why why was someone so mad at you what are you lightning rod of hate so yeah i have no idea i guess one million dollars right rags that would be your price for 10 hours of babu freak voice 10 hours of babu freak i don't know that seems kind of cheap but uh wow i don't know i don't know 10 million dollars when i play platform we start playing it's pretty fun you joker you stop doing the fucking what is this bot fuck you yeah i bought bottom door enough am i seeing am i seeing peach using a golf club as a weapon in this game problem ask her you know like golf no i was just i'm not curious you just you got ptsd from last was two that's what that is what in the world would make you say that because you didn't like it see that that's logic and emotion working together blissfully true hello again moeller and co hello hello hi there just want to know how much is left of the catch up and from which streams because my old super chats haven't been read yet so we recently caught up with 103 um they're they're across four different streams and they're going to be they're coming out um as as days move on uh the next i think rags are going to do a catch up soon i'll do all of stream labs in a row and then the two bloodborne stream ones that'll probably be the the collection of three the big one we got to do is the boys stream one still looking for a slot for that because there's a lot of them um but we'll get there we've been we've been running a lot of catch up streams and we're with we're just you know it's it's a journey we're too having to answer a bunch of boys related super chats uh without having recently rewatched the boys or had he recently rewatched the boys oh i remember most of its garbage so it's fine unless they're non-specific like don't you hate it when that happens and i'm like what is what's fine when what happens god damn it a van vice has just said metal which can tell a long man that well that one of them wishing to perceive to being with one makes total sense and what one would learn see if there's a giant dong and what one has won't read like healing she wants to do the sex so she wishes deep alive but with a smaller dog to spare some of her pain from being divergenated over and over again can't just shrink men's thing this is so different body was needed see you know i'm convinced now i think that's yeah that does kind of explain all of it yeah yes pg is a golf club yumbo she do i love you played the best-selling secret alas of us to golf with friends looks fun yes i played that one that's the thing actually is can the can the wishing stone grant wishes in relation to like i wish to you know like alter the the size of a person's body parts like a different person parts you respond here you could kill people on the spot i'm sure you probably could yeah i guess man that's that'd be interesting to see um rags did you have fun storming the capital no i don't have any capitals lately someone tell high top no hero was born from a lie um would that be in reference to how he omits things from his videos about what happened in certain scenarios because i agree you know he needs to understand that message no this is impossibly hard not like it guts and lorry there is obstacle cross vehicle game with floppy physics isn't that by the guys who made that flash game happy wheels or whatever it was early car huh carry on i thought you were answering my question i'll i'll be i suggestion is okay yeah i think i heard about it i don't think i played it though uh i killed the lady in the darkness and it was a brass how much oh wait to be fair double soundtrack equals twice as likely for someone to emotionally like it and thus win-win ah there's a lot of reason behind all of the things you think are really stupid and that means that they're good uh i see original if i wanted to private wait which one was that i don't know uh i like not sure um but 102 was a while ago i don't even sure which one 102 is i have no idea as long as it's available on mula uh let's chill but if it's if if there's anything wrong with them let me know yeah i will rush to their aid all right see you freddo that is the only time that i would rush to aides i feel like that's not something that typically one would do uh it's a lot of us too with internet janitor well like i said it was as long as it's available on mula i don't really care yeah yeah there's a pokeball gimme oh nice kids kids is asking me southpaw could you and nom's go on a stream and talk all of this out so i don't know if you missed the part where i offered him to be in a call with me and wolf a private one he said that after the shit that i pulled i and just simply criticizing him no he wasn't going to be doing a call with me and he also only did a call with wolf as long as i wasn't there so i'm not sure that's gonna happen especially because he seems to be against being in a call that gets recorded or streamed nowadays so that's fun hmm probably not gonna happen spider went to is terribly written into the spider versus vastly superior as his homecoming crime or amiodes wait a minute is that who would say such a thing i think it was chris duckman i can't quite tell is that chris chris duckman watches ethat apparently i hope he doesn't watch the ones where we cover him i'll be awkward you're fine mr stuckman i agree with you completely except when i don't but just except when you're a fucking idiot oh wait i said that wrong bye fox you got fucking raked did he seriously just use bloated as a positive well he said that um it was all of the criticisms people bring up or you agreed with some of them or something like that it's i don't know the movie the movie the video was kind of a ride yes it's fun so it's the trained Auschwitz mm-hmm lots of kinds of rides you know hello no foxes just rushing a sequel to wonder woman 84 are they really that's hilarious he he reimeo it's glad to see my wood put to use law hey we can war you are you a shrimp now noise we're in a shock suit it's completely different already delicious spider versus just bunch of token characters you're fucking wrong god it's a weird way to i disagree but all right hello and chat no that's that is a critical drinker on blind man or tear take wow yeah 1450 violence naked force has settled more issues in history than any other factor and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at worst it's fine well then i mean yeah it's pretty well does was there a statement made that like punching doesn't solve the problem or that just wonder woman doesn't do that i can't remember anymore because she clearly does by the way i think thank you no i mean about uh high tops video like his his position on the wonder woman remember the um the part where he says she doesn't punch i can't remember if he said that was in the was it in the quote that punching doesn't solve the problem or some shit it's not the best way that's all the problem i think was the quote i mean wonder woman clearly disagrees she she would say you're right punching doesn't solve it giant love lasers do you like oh and knees of justice eat my love laser fucking sick dude could it be said that love laser is a euphemism for a stream of cum delicious good stripper name cum laser cum laser well i guess we'll never know that's a shame so it showed that not all germans are nazis ragu what are your thoughts on band of brothers i've not seen it i thought it was excellent it was i didn't i did i did not see that show i get it that's not what i wanted to happen but i still survived if wonder woman is omnilingual does that count for made up languages does wonder woman no cling on all languages are made up in which case the answer is yes right she would no cling on right okay surely long long does she know languages that like one person made up in their room because they were bored i mean it's omnilingual so she'd have to yeah well they don't know what a watch is they know all these languages but there's no watches in these remember they're not controlled they're not restricted by the the hands of time ranks they they are much better people well i don't like playing this map with slow motiony characters the floaty ones feels lame and make the west stupid chunky boy oh almost killed myself i'm on jiggila uh so she's slightly more heroic than kate kane god damn it kate came regret of killing someone though yeah kate kane did it because she's weird and then she regretted it then when she found out someone else had done it she was fine but wonder woman didn't even well she seemed to recognize the the thing she was doing but she didn't see anything wrong with it so i don't know she might be worse than batwoman for that there you sitting on your couch when all of a sudden you remember you have german ancestry suddenly your clothes morph into an ss uniform and you have the edge the urge to cleanse humanity of genetically racial impurities oh that's what we all want so i'm gonna say that's like your whole thing what if it was like midgets it wasn't the jews it was midgets they went through the entire world trying to find midgets and kill them and they had whole they had these massive concentration camps full of midgets and and and they think about how many you could pack on a train like you know i haven't thought about that it's all right just don't don't worry about it you just pitched a movie that that ray from india would love to watch guys imagine you were like hardcore ss and you were they were all recommending which group to basically go after you're like what about midgets we could fit a lot of them in the trades like that would be a reason that that's brilliant the rest of them are trying to consider the midgets they're all trying to do it based on like other things and you're just talking about efficiency of traveling them to the fucking camps you're like that seems to be the thing we're trying to do right i don't know how about these we'd have like a like a movie about like the midgets that tried to put up an arm persistence to the nazis and if anyone lost they're racist damn it interesting how hip altar preaches to diana about the truth while everyone around her has been lying to her about everything her entire life yep i don't think patty noticed that either that's me just like peak incompetence when the writer just fucking blissfully unaware of things they written before happy that my comment about wonder woman kicking a medic made it into efab love you guys have some janeva convention money and high rags oh hello thank you i love people ask me what conventions i go to i always i never missed a janeva convention nor should anyone i'm gonna just read this out just just because it's relevant to what we're just discussing i don't know rags they'd be a bit short handed at those camps i think i don't know what you mean i think you do there there is there is a uh there's a lion and vermin tide where if barton gorkson who is a dwarf uh does friendly fire damage to victor salt spire he says short-sighted as well and it's very damn it's very it's clever and funny and it's very in character for victor salt that sounds pretty offensive though i don't like it how it is did more for humans than anything else ever did and now you're a liar even electricity okay electricity maybe that's the only thing but other than that the only thing uh so maybe a gloopy things max well is mando doing his best trump impression that doesn't make any sense matters not a person it's just a couple cut out he's just a vehicle for a plot also yeah i still don't give a trump allegory and yeah same word nobody did patty may have them i guess and i don't know death of the author bitch bye bye hey that was my mind new nukes there we go game up promise chunky bits through full-blade web phone gimme i need one more for fuck's sake to be fair she didn't ever punch that drunk harasser in the face either true she only kicked him that's different threw him into a car so i guess you're saying like you know you don't solve your problems with punch people in the face you kick them in the sternum one woman is not a superhero she's the child of a greek god and they were just as good as they were cruel and she's pretty cruel as well when she wants to be cruel and climb as a soy man i've never thrown a punch oh i've never punched anyone either i've never i've never needed to i have but for a while you live in that's because the welsh is like mad max yep it's just a wasteland full of scrap metal and sand can confirm mute mute me have only punched in marshal arts class so yeah i imagine if there if i have yeah i'd probably i'm probably more likely to shoot someone than i am to punch them i feel if i'm in a situation where i have to punch someone i'll be fucking off mm-hmm well it kind of depends on like you don't want to ask like escalate forest soul you know disproportionately and she said he'd be fucking on what yeah i got you yeah if i if i feel i have to like if i feel if i'm in a situation where a punch will do it then i'm probably just gonna like leave you know but if i'm in a situation where my life is in danger well that's uh the gun's coming out what do you mean the people on the man lorian they always uh punch instead of shoot it makes sense right well as long as they're wearing a protective helmet i could just sort of lightly hit him in the head and then they'll just fall out of frame and that'll be that okay but have you considered using your gun to stab them that's that's a good point yeah it's a pistol but i could still do it they do it in john wick they remember it and they do it in john wick two yeah there's there's there's they're probably doing john wick three as well where if you have a gun you want to try and run towards someone with your pistol and like try to stab them with it so that they can disarm you and take your weapon well why would they be considered lethal weapons if you can't stab people with them explain that yeah so i thought as you can see the logic people cower in fear against a standard emotional argument it's john wick uh wonder woman doesn't punch people in the same way the batman doesn't kill he just shoots a gas tank and if it explodes and kills someone so be it but it's not him i knew it fair enough batman rags did you like starcraft story when you played it i can't remember much about it i can beat you up in my awesome thing this is incredibly gay i'm like a princess firing stars from my wand at bowser it was this like black fiery tortoise creature and i'm just like away just stop that right there throw ice at him oh throw ice at him well um as much as i love being here i think i'm actually gonna go ahead and hop out because i've got to be up pretty early in the morning and it's getting late but all right i had a lot of fun being here and covering high top and talking about this wonderful little movie i did as well it was wonderful so cool why don't you tell the people what you've been up to lately and where they can find you do it oh well i made a little video that you know came out a few weeks ago uh it's getting like sort of ratioed i guess 1.8 k likes to 800 dislikes riparoni um yeah people weren't too happy with the take but a lot of people would say i disliked the video when i first clicked on it but then i watched it and i actually hit like on it so maybe actually watch the video and pay attention to what i say and you're like it's just simply saying it's driving to you it's it's far from great you know not that good um it's way better than any of the other videos i've made all my other videos are bad i'll admit that i'll be the first to admit that um but this was uh definitely a a work like a like a passion project i put a lot of effort into it and i think it turned out pretty well and i want that to reflect the kind of content that i'm gonna be gonna be making in the future uh i'm still working on a last of us two video as well as dark night rises i'll be going after it you know the occasional low-hanging fruit but um yeah i also kind of like the feeling of going after sacred cows and putting those under the microscope and re-examining them to see if they actually hold up the way that we think that they do so there you go if you needed a reason to check them out go nuts maybe very much change your mind on sputamen who knows uh yeah thanks for joining us mr southpaw and we'll catch you around yes here dude mollador enough oh my god oh my god that was racist can't tell me to stop talking it's like my whole thing wait why am i the last one that's still here normally i'm the one that leaves early rags right there what do you mean hello oh my god he's still here he's gonna go to bite you with his paws let's see how the wet nurse goes with the cane fully upgrade now so it's uh remember that time that she dropped four prisoners onto a car roof from the top of a mall but at least she didn't punch them yeah i don't know how you can you can say this shit like it just doesn't register with me at all you're like the biggest virtue of our hero is that she'll talk down our enemies and she'll defend the innocent from them she'll never hit them though you know but she does she does that a lot actually why would you say this that'd probably be the first question i want to ask high top about honestly what do you think you like how would he respond you reckon he would be like no like spiritually she doesn't really hit them or something you know well he always knows that he has the the ability to just retreat back into you know feels and emotion or resonance yep i'm sure of this buddy i'm a metal your formants younger than me how you're older than me dab damn dabbing on when your view is like that and yeah mula cannot shut up it's this power yeah with all the powers to get it was okay it's like a mid tier one i imagine it's a lot of really bad powers that's really as i could have just opened the fucking shortcut now you have to walk this thing again but some dumbo fool look out i'm coming through getting so bullied really shadow enough okay let's let's redo this level i did a real bad let's see here's another super chat uh just calling me gay whoever sent that i hope your family gets eaten by bears oh my god she bears killing a baddie is arguably better than critically injuring them and saddling them with a lifetime of agony and insurmountable medical debt uh is that way are we talking about when she could kill dr poison versus grievously injuring her i guess i'm trying to think of the context there i don't remember or is it when she um when she dropped them on the car is the suggestion that she should just kill them because now they're gonna have horrible medical debts and well i don't fucking know oh my god oh my shlores whoa let's not kill myself that would be against the goals Geneva convention that too damn wonder woman's villains have a vulnerability versus electricity first aries now cheetah who's next she should have electrocuted max lord and called it um aries is cool with uh electricity just unless you fire it back at him like from he's like he can he's okay with it but if it comes from you he gets old tizmy he's like no wow i can't play ocean if a hero kills a villain they're banned from the Geneva convention damn they can't even go to that convention anymore sucks mollaren co diana killing max well lord in the comic is an extreme exception generally she never kills anyone unless she absolutely has no choice all right all right in final fantasy 14 there's a whole quest that makes that joke about the weird uh foe called mr fantastic mr foe ah it happens it's just some words you go through your whole life pronouncing one way so you haven't heard anyone do it and then one day you're in a call and you say wow that's like the thing that that guy says you know Freudian everyone's like wait a minute wait just suck it right there okay being small was not what i thought it was oh maximum give me there we go my mistakes mean nothing now uh please read some of the comics they're amazing we did actually read some of the comments uh magical so the wet nurse is in the shadow phase but not really all right so there's like all the shadowy mist stuff but she's just moving around normally that's weird it is weird oh no there we go many people seem to love the new Pixar movie soul i watched it and thought it was meh but the more i thought of it the worse it got over time a lot of movies be like that i do i've not seen it i honestly hope it's good because yeah me too like me a good Pixar movie electricity most americans can't pronounce to Worcestershire source right oh you mean like Worcester this is this that one's still a bit you know it depends on where you're from in britain even to get different answers on that one Worcestershire Worcestershire Worcester all very confusing rules in this beloved language we call english wet nurse is still a part of the way what a bitch you're just mad because the wet nurse is such a good boss i like my nurse is wet yeah i like that the wet nurse is basically like human size but she's still just us flopping around moves yep it's like oh this is a normal size boss but she has eight hands she goes swing shwang oh my goodness i was swinging my whip bye wow they both died to the bomb god that's some some tizmei right there um Worcestershire also many people pronounce gira Gira but it's pronounced like the second syllable in gojira also whenever there's someone named x steen or stein it's not steen but stein Stein anyone ever say Epstein Epstein stehen stun. I'm not even change. Oh, I agree with everything this person said You're a liar. Wonder woman didn't kill dr. Poison because she got a vision of Joel playing the guitar So she decided to save I Knew it. I do not know who this man is But I have a feeling he's a good man. He's a good man. I feel like he did not deserve whatever happened Look dr. Poison went on to make some of the greatest cures to ever exist and she she just became a good person. It was great Shadow phase takes the fucking ever just stop it help help. Oh wow snap help. I live in Illinois Rags, it's not a bad place to live Chicago's in Illinois, so it's it's very likely the case Hmm. I know someone from Illinois who doesn't want to be there anymore Ealy noise My mom lived in Germany when she was a kid and was fluent then but it faded when she came back And she only knows a little now. Is she sophisticated? Why not if wins a winter gets released in our lifetime, can we get a book e-fap also my birthday is tomorrow Can I get a high from rags? What's wins of winter that would be the latest well hoped latest book from George R. R. Martin chronicling Game of Thrones Though I think most people are gonna start to forget that even a thing with how long he's taken Maybe now a strategy is to hope people forget that game of Thrones was a TV show then they just do it again This time we won't fuck it up. I swear. Hopefully Charles dance still live. We'll be right How interested people would be in that Well another try Yeah, I mean Be interesting. I think Precedent wise. It's like, you know what we're gonna try it again because everyone didn't like I always thought it would have been Need to have filmed an alternate season eight. Just fuck it People really didn't like season eight. How about we give them one that they liked and then we have the two options You know the real story for the real fans in what they made and then the shitty one that the fans wanted You know, we'll just do that First try nice, bro. I thought it was pretty nice. Oh, so I haven't used any fire papers anything on any of the bosses Why aren't you? Because it's a challenge. I wanted to see how it how it works Moopsily TFA part for pet pets cop to double release when Obviously the best I can offer is time It will be time. I Know that's not hugely specific, but it is kind of you think about it. It's more specific But it's honest. Mm-hmm time and time Belgium What nurses wet Rex are they indeed? They are especially when I'm around. Oh Boy, oh shit. Oh, baby Bob Damn Yoshi I could kill German now. Oh, she's already said Can I see how long also as for a book EFAP I don't know if that's gonna happen Especially not with that because as much as there's a chance that I would read winds of winter I wouldn't want rags to have to fucking read all the way through a song of ice fire just for an EFAP We talk about a book. I don't even know how that would go exactly. I guess we just be sort of the same You're a book I'm not even sure I have enough interest in it to read it myself That's kind of the issue my Game of Thrones passion kind of died with the show unfortunately. I can't read And I see metal can't even read like this is really mean that you would suggest we do a book EFAP with the EFAP guy You can't even read. Yeah, I could just say I just should take a break for a bit. It's fine Yeah, they just wanted to call you out. I think Getting old set now as you should She keep being annoying What really Zelda's like, oh, I'm all cutesy, but then she fucking muted me I'm really bad at Yoshi. Okay. I don't I just he's just not my main. What can I say? You lied to me. You hate so me Only the best soundtrack from Pharrell Williams Composer for Lion King 2 How's he reading chat then in the chair? Yes, Charlie is whispering the super chats into my ear It's super to norm. I don't have super chats on Twitch the chat messages Into my ear right before I read them. It's a very very good system She please stop being alive You can't say that it's really annoying or rather. She's really annoying Oh Wow, wow imagine losing two lives to Sheik to a wham and I know Hey, don't block my attacks. What a cock. I gotta go back to work soon, but Mollie You should check out JoJo's bizarre adventure also a I don't know a is but that's a pretty sure that's a vtuber thing. Oh Yeah, my vtuber knowledge is it's like not I Only go from the few things I see on Twitter and only because we can worry I like likes or retweets Makes sense. Oh, that's all I got. Okay. It's all I got Damn it Play through hasn't been terrible I've actually been doing way better on the bosses than with the sock lever, you know Once the race starts, you're gonna get loads of bad luck. Oh, of course I'll make sure of it It's the most attempts I need a buff work for me collection. That's because he nuked me you three times before I went online Here's $5 to never ever mention your sounding P system again sounding P system sounding P system I have no idea what that is. I don't need her Super chef. Thank you for my for the money. Oh, thank you Plus that story is really crap and yes, it's mainline And this is the thing whether fanboys want to admit or not even some of the mainline comics before the edgy edgy grim dark reboot We're bad. That's in relation to Wonder Woman Killing the guy by the way I can believe that was an edgy story for sure pronunciation of a rendezvous is French cringe on those news Max didn't start going super nuts on the malegalomani until his son wished he could be great. I don't think that's coincidental He did you want more nuts? I always thought the nut stuff coincided with how much damage he was taking from the wishes as well You're so great about the movies we can all speculate forever about what the fuck even happened That's the sign of a good movie. Yeah, they're just there's so many interpretations Patty be so everyone has shit their pants as a young thing But have you ever shit someone else's pants? Yeah, yesterday was very fun. Can a Jedi? All right Max didn't my future wife today was a blind date with a girl that was cross-eyed She said it was okay though because when she comes they go normal Okay, I get it Oh Don't watch Jojo it is good, but you guys will not like how often they pull wins out of what looks like nowhere They do that. I watch a bunch of Jojo. It's fucking insane. Hmm If you like legit look at it objectively, it's probably most likely garbage Well, yeah, it's anime. I just watch it for the memes and it's entertaining Mola, please please please please do an e-fap mini of Ruby It is worse than Batman and we would all love to see it break you Break me break me. All right, you guys really sell it So rags, please be ruthless when he forces you through Buffy and Angel will you and please record it like a reaction post session for us all to hear Hmm, that's a good idea. I Know ah Also, as you know rags is only selectively ruthless You'll only ever apply your systems to things. He doesn't like that's that's how I just feel kind of guilty about killing Kirby No, I don't Mola rags you've probably been recommended this before but I'll do it again You guys should really play near-automata good story likeable characters very solid fun gameplay amazing visuals God tier music It's even got themes if either of you want to let me know I'll buy you each a copy. Oh I've heard it's good Mel you like it, right? Yeah, I enjoyed playing it I actually played it when it came out because I had a friend over and we wanted something to play and Then we both bought it and played it psychosite where we're hanging out Was pretty fun Don't really remember this story. I think was kind of interesting I think it's been too long to be honest and it was really paying attention because it was with a friend and probably drunk Most of the time, but yeah, I liked it. Oh, yeah, I only hear good things Um, I might check it out one day. No promises I'll probably replay it at some point Most likely on stream because to be honest, I would be played games on stream time Why not in it? Why fucking nor? The cast of Wonder Woman 1984 obviously took the youtuber actors class. Oh Also high racks There's the plot thing with the the max's illness obviously nobody asked her if she edits or revises well, why would they that would be offensive Yeah They just need to appreciate the emotional resonance, which should be just obvious from looking at it. I mean come on. Yep Just look Yeah But also Some cheetah and a zoo wished for a gazelle to eat That would be interesting happy when it happened what is allowed and is not allowed to make a wish I imagine it's just humans, but who knows what fairies Do they count as humans? No, no, of course the wish thing is like what the fuck do you mean? No They're not your wishes You matter what the world would be if they did like all right wish thing I get it I'm gonna damage a single crow can deal to you In this game Well, if that crow is jacob cane and he has a desert eagle then Oh, yeah, kind of damage to you. I mean desert eagle could shoot through anything. What do you complain then? The way I just killed fox was pretty fucking awesome. I see a reaser. Have a good night Uh Do you think the Wombus will be in Jurassic World 3 they don't have the balls to put Wombus in there Hmm Even though he's earned his fucking place We haven't played uh Champed up in a while now actually Yeah, we don't have that Metal yeah metal the fuck Sorry, I guess Few more apologies and we will be about even Sorry, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I said a few not five of the fuck Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. You can just keep fucking up, don't you? That's all it is Sorry Before the film I thought 1984 in the title alluded to Orwellian themes involving a trump-esque villain turns out it was about sexual harassment instead I think a lot of people have asked in that question. It's like what does it have to do with 1984? And you're like good question Give me pokeball. No, no, don't give the enemies the pokeball game that would that be stupid Well fairy fuck them up Uh, she turns into an organization whale and then they correct it to orca whale Did it actually ought to correct your orca to organization? Damn Well, I I hear orca in conversation way more than organization. I mean it totally Uh molla give my money back kick j sleep aiden high rags and good morning molla. Oh good Hello Also sleep aiden I like that. Yeah. Hmm the very first e-fap sleep time I believe j has e-fap sleep time and rags does I think Um, and I think I did but I think yeah, because when I got slamer, right Was that on metals? I think it's hard to remember. No, you you just crashed at some point You it's like I think I want to go lay down and I cried for boar amir and everything and then I just sort of woke up eventually You've told us about your love for mashed potatoes Yeah, nothing to be ashamed of that no I'm looking forward to edit the fucking Drunk stream portion. There's so much funny shit in that Oh, man, I got cliff area and cliff able at the same time. I'm the pokemon master That's cheating. Put it away. No Put it down. What were some of your issues with the dead evel show? I think they're two pitties It's been so long that I don't even know that I'd be able to tell you anymore, but I I thought it was like, um It was okay Like a like a five. I thought it was fine. There was some stuff It was getting in the way of my enjoyment, but at the same time it was pretty It's like the best fucking tv show out of all like cw and marvel tv shows probably I was about to say it definitively and I realized like I've only seen episodes from the other ones. So what do I know? Though I would be willing to rewatch one like that while I wouldn't be willing to rewatch bojack So that tells you something Oh I think that someone bought that comic up because I've got a hot take max in the movie is a better character than in the comics To be continued. Oh, shit I've heard from many people that max well is is quite a liked comic villain character. So interesting One I like efab two Recently watched the riddick movies. They're wonderful three in that comic strip one conflict in that story is how lethal diana is Interesting neat Also, I really like the riddick movie. So this would not be a bad trilogy. I imagine Yeah, we need to watch uh, you don't watch pitch black again. I really do want to see the chronicles of riddick and yeah, I haven't seen it in a while I get yeah, I mean, I'm a fortune of three of them if one Yumbo the chronicles of Oh, man It died. What's your take on the avengers theme? I like it yum But uh, but uh, but uh Let's just sleep on if you have to make cubicans replace the eats pizza of cutlery benna from efab That's like one of my biggest regrets just eating a pizza on stream with cutlery ones like that's just It's like against many of the rules, okay? I legit have to eat a pizza with cutlery since then I got the pizza They they gave me cutlery with it. I was like, yeah, fine. Oh It's so hot. I'm hungry. I'll only use cutlery if it's Like if I'm if I'm at the computer and I want to do stuff on it And even then it'll only be if it's like reheated pizza like leftovers where it's not quite as good, I guess And then pepino, thank you for the subscriber. We know Howard the duck is best comic book movie ever changed my mind I do not intend to change your mind. That sounds like it's just It's real threatening this I don't fucking eat pizza with cutlery fucking pizza Do it again. I will end you Haha Back war falcon cock Yo twitch prime everyone else should do that Uh, I got the health before you you will shit. Did you though? Yes. Okay, cool. Oh, no Excuse me blood boys. I need to get through here. Ew. Oh shit. They do poison. I didn't even know that What the fuck? Why are we getting that's cringe? What the hell's happening? Man, he tried to taunt this game. Stop slapping me. It's rude That was funny Why did ryan johnson make a star wars movie? Please don't shoot me. Please don't shoot me I don't know that sounds like a setup to a joke. Why did ryan johnson make a star wars movie? You'll take on the oh, yeah, uh in this film the usa and russia fired nukes at each other Even though the nukes didn't reach their destinations. They are now at war. The world is done We'll know because the wishes undid it so everybody was just like oh, we're at peace. We're at peace cool Everything magically worked out guys. It was just a prank, bro That's where an actual rocket fire works. No, they'd be like, oh, shit. They're actually willing to do it We better not do anything Imagine if there's both on the phone like so all your nukes disappeared, huh? All ours did too. It's like so peace Listen, I won't fire anymore if you don't fire anymore. I was like, all right then That's sort of like the agreement we had before but okay Can we rock paper scissor about it? Yeah, because it wasn't that someone wished the nukes launched they launched because of having loads of nukes Right, they just decided now is the time we launched the nukes Kind of yeah, they just did I think that film I guess America has a lot more nukes And I'm like yeah, but they had enough anyway Yeah, like Russia would like difference between 500 and 580 nukes really didn't they I can't remember how many they said They just said new nukes. So it's it was so many The the russia saw that many and were like nah, they've got too many time to nuke them Weird logic, but all right What just happened this film three things I was like You know wonder woman 84 probably has the worst world building in the dcu. So at least it has that accolade Caitlyn jenna as a wonder woman she can actually run and kill It's true. Yeah, she I think she hit someone with her car Mm-hmm. Hi top, please no death of author. I mean, yeah, he's he needs the author on this one. I think The mouse graphic novels are friggin mint Yeah a little bit we saw so it's the goofy fun that we all know comic books to beat How much would you pay for gobby's crotch rocket? I mean, I need to make sure we're talking about the same thing before I purchased, but It's like the the rocket knee pads that boba fed has right just on your crotch. Yeah What could be to read some reviews? I don't understand the magic rock is the bestest of all McMuffins Stop shoesting me Clearly the greatest of all things in the universe We never actually got the answer as to whether or not I reformed once max under this witch I almost think they did that on purpose just to try and say like yeah, it's gone now. Bye. Okay Do I feel someone said how do you feel about knowing the next Superman movie has JJ Abrams was at the helm? It'll be shit. Yep DC is in for a ride. No that they haven't been already You have lost your brother It's time for you to sacrifice Um Frick you high top damn dude Can't be tolerating that kind of language here at e-forb DC might come young. Hey bruh Aladdin makes more sense than this movie. Hell fucking. Yes. There's not even a competition Aladdin's like a film a story, you know Yeah, it has it it has logic in plot Oh, I like those in my movie. It also has emotion and feeling isn't that nuts More like lullacost because campy comics. Oh, no, not the lullacost I guess I'll try Ludwig like once or twice Stop hating on Ludwig Ludwig is floppy That sounds sexual What if the coffee wish literally murdered the person who was supposed to get it? Like they got mugged and left for dead in an alley. So the dude got Java. Um I don't think that's impossible. The the wish stone seems a little brutal in what it'll do sometimes Uh, Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2 had a character making a wish that came at a cost and also showed the social pressures of people who Don't know your life Uh, yeah, let's say so But it didn't have a wish stone therefore inferior Ludwig stop Say hello to Ludwig Uh, the new nukes despawned but the old nukes returned to the silos So but But that's separated from the wish right like launching the nukes isn't a wish Getting nukes was So they stated more nukes so the ones that were part of the wish is bloating into nothing I suppose that's something that is fine, but reversing the ones that were fired. I don't know that that makes any sense Because you know like for example, the guy says I wish you dropped dead Does he forget everything that happened as a result of that conversation? Because it's all as a result of a wish because I don't think that's shown to be how it works at all considering max Clearly remembers everything that happened Before making his wish and that's part of how he gets his arc so Yeah, they just Don't talk about what just the earth just I guess they all just decides. You know what? There's an off day for humanity. Let's just all not talk about it 84 was a weird one party Oh Have you heard of terrible writing advice? He's a channel who makes videos on using common plot devices and stories check him out if you haven't I've heard that channel get recommended a couple times actually. Yeah, I've heard him. It's pretty good I think jay likes him too. They make good stuff from what I've heard I'm gonna stop streaming now because I want to play game right now. So I'm just gonna chill Thanks for Stumping around. I'll probably stream tomorrow. Uh I'm still chilling on the e-fap side. So I'll be You don't see the you don't see you fail against ludwig I just really can't be asked to try right now Playing since we've started e-fap, so A lot of blood blood wait, did you start a new campaign at the beginning of the e-fap? Yeah I could kill german right now. I went to a dlc don't kill gerbil Dribble. Yeah, goodbye everyone. Also not really because I'm so leave. Goodbye Yeah, we're gonna steal all you viewers Oh my god Enjoy the boost nerd They can see me beat bowser fucking epic Little cheeky stream on the twitch. That's always fun Yeah, that's what you get for picking up a pokeball a piece of shit We get cheeky stream on twitch So this one says a high top feels like the embodiment of the hello fellow kids meme He over kills on stylistic choices and his arguments are but it's cool He's a direct result of people thinking that lighting means you've done something great and that's it I got the lights. I bought them Is it light? They are so good If someone wished to die because they were depressed and saw no hope with the nukes and everything going on How could they renounce their wish? Yeah, it's a fair question to ask We shan't be getting answers to it My dm gets around the wish spell in d&d by requiring hyper specificity. Otherwise, he'll monkey pour the shit out of it. It's great Yeah Yeah, imagine that's careful with those wishes If I wish for joel to stop killing, what is the monkey pour there? Um, joel is the ultimate on key. He's the whole joel is the monkeys par the whole time Oh, the big max well, right? He became the weird wishing stone thingy Well, there you go. What do you think was the wishing stone before it was joel? It was joel. This says high moriarty. What in the world? Monkey pours nothing compared to the ape dong How many wishes to go with an ape dong Don't lie Maybe getting the monk dong is the wish that came true Maybe it is. Maybe the real wish was the monkeys dongs you got along the way I would hope that would be the message. Makes a lot of sense. That does seem wholesome Hunter x hunter has a magic system that is clearly defined rules and the rules have to be clearly defined in order to use it almost all the time That is true. Very nice And that doesn't mean it's not a magic system Stop I get the fucking mushroom and it makes me more vulnerable. That doesn't make sense would pesky Yoshi Uh max in the comics was never a villain until they retconned it to be so when he's not he's fine And when he's just when he's when he is he's just insane Though the concept of him as a villain in the comics could be interesting similar to baron's emo in captain america civil war a mastermind I mean, you know execution in both is probably lacking then Presumably I don't knew When I say both I mean the uh The comic and the film Because you know, I don't know if you guys feel as though we've been arguing for this But I feel that one woman 84 has been lacking overall Yeah, I get that impression But how did it make you feel? How did it make you feel? Must know the answers So these two humans are bullying this monkey. I feel like that's rude monkey For ape I am giant ape. You cannot defeat me Oh, wow, didn't expect another word Hello harambe I am now the harambe Imagine patty jankin's remix freaky friday and the father sleeps with the mum while the daughter is in her body Classic body swap hilarity Allergy who'd be so funny Regarding intentions allen grant in g Jurassic park three said some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions It's very true. I often quote Jurassic park three allen What if handsome man had a hernia? Oh, oh i'm dead had a hernia or other condition and during the heroics pushing that body steve ends up seriously wounding or crippling him Well, these are not things steve was concerned about for reasons I like that high top describes that as a reading Like the reality of the situation is just a reading fascinating That's another thing I'd love to pick his brain on I just feel like all of his positions But just sitting on the fact that nobody challenges them and that's about it Oh, yeah, definitely his comment section fucking eats it up because they're dumb too Damn, well, some of them will push him back in his comment section on this one. I think it's because 84 was so fucking bad No happens They could have just brought back steve with no possession bang at wonder woman's place go on a shopping montage The dude adds nothing to the story If the concern was getting the fucking dressing scene you could just have that be done in a shop Like they did in the first one. Yeah, they had yeah Except this time it's steve trevor who has to get Hilarious. He's got such bad taste in fashion He doesn't understand our customs This is old Feelings denied art murdered jay kicked. Oh, yeah, it's efab time Seems about right. Yeah Dragonlands's soft magic is cool can do anything but has two limits one damages the caster aka spell too strong equals You're dead to spell leaves your memory after use and has to be relearned aka one-time use Interesting that is an interesting rule never even really interesting. Yeah So you can't remember if you well, yeah, you could you could remember if you cast it before you could ask other people You could write it down beforehand Yeah, but like those are like workarounds to a system. So that's kind of interesting You gotta wonder what kind of dramas can come out of it. I hope the writers did a good job Me How come I never find the right one? First what's that about? We're talking about like people like marriage. Are you looking for love moller? No, just looking in all the wrong places just link sword the sword of truth or whatever the fuck Excalibon um master sword. That's the one Oh, there's an up here. Nice. Is he wrong on how did I check this many and get them all wrong? How does this happen? Got so dumb. Fuck it would be. Mella, why would you say that? Fucking idiot. This is why I don't metal on the stream anymore rags enough is enough Fucking cronjlard. See see what he just said You didn't even stop them Simple way to see how messed up it is if steve was female would everything that happens still be kosher Pretty sure people wouldn't be okay with it. It would have gotten way more attention if it were reversed I Found this money deep in my asshole, so I decided to give you the shitey end to youtube and the rest of you. Oh, thanks Cool. That's not too bad. That's pretty epic Get dug into the ground. Oh, that didn't last very long It's gonna Oh sheet come at me, bro. I'm a character that I'm better at now Beat you the fuck up Hey guys, remember remember the wacky coma swap bit from kill bill? I mean, it's it's it's all in how you read the movie, right? Yeah It was totally wacky when they want to have sex with people who are coma toes silly Some people take it a bit seriously, but that's fine, you know, you can read it however you want Definitely going for a moment of levity there Oh, what a punch Wow killed themselves. All right pronouncing Dorchester versus Worcester Yeah, no Dorchester Worcester Dorstja Worcester. We're the words Hey guys, remember? Oh wait that awkward moment when star wars episode nine does a better job bringing back a dead person Then it turns it up to 11 with the cringe Oh, I hear there's so many bad movies Why You don't care about innocents getting killed. You just want to dump on batman versus superman Yeah, I mean you couldn't pull this argument for like fucking anything I know your true motivation You see your honor consent was implied by the premise. This isn't my joke Aravangatos said it in the discord chat all credit goes to them Oh Incent consent was implied by the premise But a premise is like Outside of the universe I guess that's the joke. So that's what they would try and pull the defense. It's like the whole idea is a body swap So there's no consent element. You know, like what do you mean? See you Anna? It's a body swap. Hey, you see those movies your Anna real funny Oh, man Another life wasted All right die So totally dominating Stop it. All right metroid. I'm gonna fuck you up now. You've you've pushed me too far Why don't metroid crawl? I don't know why it doesn't metroid crawl Oh out you Super natural did this way better with having ruby possess a body that just died. In fact salmon just died Dean made her do it to protect others autonomy Yeah, but Wonder Woman is making fun of movies that do it. So it's fine Did he literally just give a variation if a stereotypical rape phrase of just let it happen? You'll enjoy it Uh, I'm not sure. I can't quite remember if that was the wording he used I should prefer that he didn't Doesn't means don't right And in it's a future tense of the future Past progressive participle future just to make sure we got that right Um handsome guy should have been shatner to have Kirk replace Kirk Hey I just did that reference Here's a hot take. I recently were rewatched both the pacific and band of brothers and I think the pacific has better writing I have not seen the pacific But I hear it's good I think they swapped pine for handsome guys so they could have the meeting scene and the outfit montage Those are the only two scenes that could have been done With just bringing pine back. I can think of high rags Hi Yeah, those those are the ones that you'd have to redo I guess and everything else can run the same So was it worth it? I suppose the question She's more of a reference to not another teen movie I remember not another teen movie. Chris Evans was in that I think Hollywood star rich Evans who was on the Ellen DeGeneres show Oh, they wouldn't be able to afford someone like him. I meant Chris Evans the one who played the hero guy and whatever That's fair enough um Listen to the screams of Kirby everyone No, we are relating to her because of her actions and her character Of course Well, what else would there be? Charizard earlier Please uh, just don't bring up your garbage morals as a person movie reviewers and will be fine more than 2021 I mean, everyone will be fine, but we'll be better Be nice to know that you don't suck Suck you long He's beard to be suck Now in the beginning of wonder woman 84 Why does the dropped pistol indicate bad man in america people can legally own guns and carry them on their person Even in a mall privet molotov and regovich Hello, so that one more time Um, well, it's it's the question of uh, why is it that everyone screams when they see the pistol in wonder woman 84? Um, when people are allowed to okay, so like a mall is not normally a place where you see loaded firearms dropping from random people's pants Yeah, especially if you're like a lady who doesn't do anything with guns and you're not used to them And you don't deal with those Like I could see why it would be You know rather disconcerting Um, I guess the question's not so that it shouldn't have happened. It's more so just um Like like everyone collectively freaks out at a drop gun And I think yeah, but how that spreads in such a perfectly organized fashion that all of the robbers like get identified And all of the people in the mall know exactly like what's going on and who to run away from That's the really that's a really bizarre thing Um, yeah, I don't know I I wouldn't know if That very Do you know anything about this like to moles typically have like a no Guns even as far back as 84. I wouldn't assume you wouldn't have no idea. Um Probably moles would have like a sign or something that would say something to that nature, but What that would actually translate as realistically Because you know if you're carrying a concealed weapon and no one knows then No one knows Yes, so is six rumps a flap Which is about the same distance as one million mebs molar. I need to know the measurements. I'm sorry I don't I can't get too specific. It's that kind of power is only meant for one person Oh my god, maybe two The measurements mason the measurements Drunk dude wished for not having broken ribs. Oops Oh, he's in hospital and he wished for it and it came true and then he was compelled to accept the truth His ribs are broken your ribs are fucked up. We ought to heal the old-fashioned way He's like, but But I mean I could just wish it right guys like that would be selfish That would be that would be a lie But like but like it actually changes reality. It's like would that really be a lie at that point? Like, yes Oh Here I go again with my broken ribs Yeah, I'm just getting great pokemon all in a row So you're saying you're cheating got it Fucking I have killed myself with electrode like every single time. It's kind of insane Oh, that was a good freeze for docket call Hey molly, are you taking art commissions? Uh Wouldn't you draw I was gonna say I don't Unless they're not referring to voice acting, right? That'll be the only thing I had to take commissions for a bit. Oh, yeah, I suppose Um, I don't do drawing commissions new Unless they mean are you doing commissions in which case like asking for art or something and uh, not currently but have done Oh Uh, I'm now waiting for a super chat catch up because I feel asleep before you answered it But I told you I donate every stream and count it up until you watch a Gundam show preferably iron-blooded orphans Well, no promises on when that may be In the last of us two couldn't abby and oan uh Have used a radio at their firefly base to contact other bases right away And if Joel broke the radio, how did word spread enough that the fireflies disbanded? um Contacted other bases to do what? But Like to get Joel I assume the firefly is disbanded Because they'd lost their only chance at doing something that they'd uh Possibly done a lot of sacrificing for the the whole plan with the cure Because the the the graffiti said lies or liars or something So the implication is obviously that they disbanded over uh people didn't feeling they were bullshitting everybody Is my gay yes I top is a male feminist. He loves birds of prey and Wonder Woman 84. It's a consistent pattern. He defended amber hood before any facts were known So you don't have to be a male feminist to like those two movies All right, you can like them for whatever reason you want As for the amber hood discovered today, you could like things for fucking any reason regardless of how ridiculous Yeah Yeah Also, I think I'm gonna pop out now. I'm getting a bit sleepy piece All right, these seven You want to tell people where they should go to watch your disgustingness? Yes, uh, twitch as I was doing while we were doing the super chest, uh, I'll stream there almost every day On every day other things to do Uh, sometimes things you do better than streaming. Is that what you're saying? Uh, yeah, sometimes, uh, I also finally re-uploaded my John Wick video on My other channel that was supposed to be for the critiques It's still up. I hope it stays that way. Uh Uh, wait, do I have a link for that somewhere? I think I do. Yeah, there it is I'm pretty sure you didn't link that one down there. I'm just gonna do it myself because I have mud Nice Uh, yeah, if you haven't seen that, uh, give it a watch It's almost a year old now. I need to get on to the next one Uh, but yeah, I'm working on my highlight video from the last year from the twitch things Which is just going to be chipping away on it's a long boy It's probably going to be like about two hours long It's a lot of lots of clips And then I'll drift right into the John Wick two tisms And in the meantime streams efap all the good stuff That's that's about it Very well, uh, go check them out folks right there And yeah, I'll I'll talk to you. Do you fell as laders? Oh, are we doing something tomorrow by the way? Like the thing I'm not sure you can check the group chat if everybody agreed It seemed like a lot of people went answering so I don't know what's happening I'm gonna let go ahead and assume no, but could be Oh What Come All right. Good night. Bye. Goodbye. Do loo. Bye My god, you know, it just hangs around for ages like, oh, I'm so special Rags, would you rather have no mouth but the urge to scream or have no ass but the urge to shit and why I would rather have a mouth. I feel like a mouth is extremely useful all the time I don't know. Do you die if you need to shit and you have no ass? Yeah, that's the thing that is this taking into the account like I can breathe through my nose But I don't have an alternate like poop, you know avenue Or is it just a perpetual feeling of wanting to shit? I could probably get used to that I don't know the desire to well, it was without a mouth. I can't even talk then. So yeah, I don't know Again, I probably have more I probably have more experience with my asshole than most people Okay, so but I you could get used to that, you know Because the feeling of pooping Is you could you can get used to that and be fine with that Like you're bought you would essentially associate that sensation with no, you don't actually have to poo That's just how life is now. Oh, okay. Well, yeah And then you could you could live a normal life Like without a mouth you could not live like a typical normal life as you do now Oh and about the amber hood thing high top apparently did like get asked about that recently and uh He has since said that he was wrong about it. So Worth mentioning Ted Bundy was a victim. Oh, yeah Anybody who has a bad childhood you need to not look at them as the villain According to black scientist man, the earth is smoother than a cue ball relative to space or something gay like that It's just its size Wait, so are they saying if if like earth was reduced down to the scale of a cue ball, it would be smoother than a cue ball Yes, because of how small the mountains are and the valleys are Uh compared to its, you know surface. Yeah, that's not one of those facts that surprises me. I'm also like, uh-huh Because imagine if you blew up earth is very very big and mountains Yeah to the earth are very very not big and if you were to blow up a cue ball to the size of earth I imagine we'd see loads of like imperfections, you know So this is a bad take rags not being able to poop as an unpleasant feeling you're I never said they weren't I never said It's fucking great. I never said it's wonderful. Why is that the response to what you said? I don't get it. It's bizarre It's like i'm sitting here advocating for it. Like this is actually a position you should take Never and what you said made me think rags. Don't you understand wanting to poop and not being able to is uncomfortable You're like, uh, yeah I fear so The problem is Because I kind of agreed. I I don't know that I want to separate the ability from myself to be able to speak I really like that one And if I have to want to shit all the time Uh in exchange for that, I guess I'll take it not to mention by the way Having the urge to scream that doesn't sound like we're in a good position in life, does it? So, yeah, I guess we close the butthole. However If it leads to our death, then I guess the question isn't really that fun, is it? There you go thorough answers There you go. High top kind of forgot about the stone fleet, uh, magic Oh, I get it nice We're ukrainian peasants who suffered hollow Holodomor Yeah Under Bolsheviki Then joined ss units to exact brutal revenge against the former presses villains Oh, damn it Um, well, I would say anybody who uh, no as he said nobody on earth is a villain. Okay Everyone has reasons for everything That's an interesting opinion Um, but how did it make you feel? I'm glad he told us that it made him feel good because that was the most convincing part of the video I'd say However, I felt like I hated everything about it I mean, I thought it was a funny movie. The video is a little bit more painful than the movie Not ideal I'm a manager at a movie theater and I just wrote someone up for telling a guest that one to one One to one 84 was good also high rags Hi, good man. You find the good fight. Yeah one day at a time Not all heroes wear capes Some of them wear name tags and vests How can it be concise and bloated with saying a thousand things like that seems contradictory? Well, there is no contradictions if there's no logic, so correct Only emotions at the high top channel for you see movies are about emotion and feeling That other stuff you talk of is rather annoying I'm getting bullied by children No Hi rags Hey Metal by the skirt and stockings. I believe that is a reference to stuff. I saw on twitter They won't was he gonna I mean, I hope so Never know with metal. You're never quite now Hi, this is spoodle wars guy here I did recently watch southpaw spiderman 2 video and overall I thought it was good Oh, I think he needs better examples to make it more clear to understand and I disagree with some things about the video It seems like a perfectly normal response to me Sure Yeah Sounds like a what a normal person would say, you know, and that's a spoodle wars guy saying that so Yeah Well, what is wait, what does spiderman have to do with spoodle wars? Well, that's a complicated question and it leads you down a pathway to many abilities Some would consider it to be unnatural. I am out I think the spider-man community and things that are unnatural I just killed three children in one punch. That was very satisfying. Oh sweet It rags as an outside dog and he's not supposed to even be inside. No I'm uh, I'm I'm really both. I'm the ultimate like I'm super versatile. That's the thing I like living inside, but I love going outside One punch So moodle oh wait. Oh wow skirt and legs stocking picks when wow the story continues. That's You must have agreed if they're asking who knows um But overall I thought southpaw's video was good rat better than what e-man and anomaly think Great work. You will for rip off. Please do spider-man 3 next Well, yeah, I'd be curious why people wouldn't like it. I'd be Might be nice to actually see a you know Do an example of it break it down southpaw break it down to its atoms You got you got spoodle wars guy to approve. All right, that's all you need Toby crapping himself while stopping a train and the citizens passing his unconscious body back did that 1.2 billion times better um I'm assuming in reference to something in the wonder woman Uh movie. I'm not sure Yeah, I'm not sure what the comparison is too, but uh very well Who knew high tops wonder woman review would create an existential discussion about cheetahs being true You never can predict these things Uh Has shatavisti seen the dragon's dogma anime. It's pretty terrible. Also. Howdy ragamuffin Hello, I'm gonna sue me hasn't But who drew who knows for sure No, the dragon's dogma stuff. No, I have not I just know of the game and I'm they're asking if shat has seen it But I think shat shat has recommended dragon's dogma, I believe Oh So has he seen the anime who knows I still would guess not but you know, maybe Little space not a medic the cross would have been obvious on this Darth helm Darth helm front looks like regimental symbol on ventilator horn medic is funnier I'm assuming that's related to her murdering people Yeah, wonder woman do be like that Fringy's definition of truth is in line with christian scholars. Oh, yeah, he read that out Uh Something that is a fact and his truth is that rags is a doggo There you go. It satisfies both criteria Pineapple on pizza is culinary heresy punishable by death by shock rape that's um specific speaking of objective I Surprised that you and Theo are friends more or despite you two disagreeing with each other on objectivity How did you guys become friends anyway? And will you ever do a debate? Uh, we only Friends in the sense we watched some stuff together here and there have some chats for different things including that subject I was playing left of dead 2 and I talked about them But no, I don't I don't plan for um much of a debate to happen Um, a lot of it foundationally will come down to a semantic difference or a use of words To mean something while while others use different words to mean something else. You know, that's kind of some Um Though it's not exactly a hard subject to get over considering Theo seems to Very much value the exact same system. He just doesn't quite label it the same way, which is totally fine with me I rags Hey, do you have any chance to know any jokes? um Hmm Yeah I do Let me see Hmm My parents when I was young They wouldn't let me go and see the the the symphony orchestra I was young I I wasn't until I was 18 that they let me actually go with them to to see the live orchestra play And they always told me it was because there was way too way too much sacks and violins I like it There you go. Try that. You can do with that what you will Uh, you can have a railway aqueduct Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm very loose on my aqueduct knowledge. So I'm just sort of was was just listening to the ideas, you know Bringing was certain that they have to be a bridge Uh wikipedia definitely made that clear But who knows what kind of variations may have been attempted over the years Oh, no, poke about Really? Oh, it's a goldfish who fucking kiss Bull Dean rather We dropped little boy over Hiroshima out of love You know I'm not sure one normal would agree with that But we never got to have a opinion on it unless they make another prequel So I suppose we may find out in the future Uh first super chat been watching and loving the stream for about a year much love for long man and the rest of the brood Also, hello rags Hey Hello and glad you're enjoying it You having fun Hey all are they still fast-tracking the sequel to wander woman 84 like HBO said they would if so that's messed up I I don't know anything specific about it. I just know that that weird statement was said where they they were like Uh, this one will be serious. It's like oh I think The producers slash studios see the goofiness of 84 to be the problem When in reality it was just how shittily written it was Who to thank it Truth is beautiful most important message also buy my sponsor's product to stop losing your hair because you deserve to change and be better I didn't even think about that. Oh, yeah, except the truth. You're bald Stop. Yeah, but the the truth is you're an ugly bald person except it die alone Uh I hate flowery movie reviewer language. You need to learn to fly He brings that line out of nowhere and it doesn't really mean anything No, it means everything It means whatever you think it means Press x to baby You know at the last we have references to amnesia rebirth the better will all be just saying I kind of blame star trek for people thinking logic and emotion are geometrically opposed to each other right because of the uh Vulcans See my track knowledge is just so limited These people seem to think that logic is the opposite of emotion When rather emotions are supported by logic. I don't believe these people actually believe that logic doesn't matter also how I am M's not here right now But i'm sure he depreciated And yeah, the the dichotomy is so fucking strange But whatever makes them think their movie is good, I guess Our emotions and feelings the same is pain and emotion An emotion or just a subconscious reaction if yes Then emotions would be a subset of feelings and watching a movie without thinking can feel good because of adrenaline I'll be less concerned with um Trying to figure out what he means by separating emotions and feelings and more concerned with just what he even thinks The argument he's making is Especially when his own video Set to contradictify it I'll tell you how I feel I feel angry at wonder woman 84 because it contradicts bvs, which said diana was on the low Until the end of bvs Yep, it's gonna be real weird to watch those ones When they're like, why didn't you get involved in anything and the whole reasoning I believe is that she lost faith in the world of men Um, which they did not have happen at the end of 84 so I guess we're getting a wonder woman three set Still before bvs. It's gonna explain all of this Remember everything's worth it as long as someone felt something also my gf in the film school thinks objective Objectivity makes her education meaningless kek um He's what makes objectivity meaningless. Sorry my gf in film school thinks objectivity makes her education meaningless That's the opposite of what education does I'm a little bit. How do you think they teach you things? I'm not sure what they were trying to say with that message honestly Makes objectivity meaningless like makes her education meaningless I'm not you know like the like the like the education that she got from like her college or whatever Was just wishy washy lefty bullshit. If that's what they're referring to That makes more sense Like the stuff they teach you in film school is how you end up being like i top of the high top and he said i top Where um, you've learned that you've got to have shots with one light that comes in an awkward place And you've got to make sure it's full of heart. That's the key guys Full of heart Movies aren't about logic explain mystery movies. Uh, they're about mysteries not logic They owned you destroyed you with facts and logic He went to a motion school, right? Like I heard someone say film school earlier, but that can't be right That can't write as they teach plot and logic and objective things Maybe it depends on what classes you went to In what places who knows At fringy. Yeah, there is reality and there is context needed to interpret it The concept of truth is just the idea of some kind of universal context Some kind of universal context That's what was said I'll be honest with you. I don't think I have the batteries to go into a conversation about truth. You're welcome to uh Explore as much as you wish to Or fringy if you were in the chat or something Oh Maybe he responded to that one. I don't know We did it. Well done everybody. I'm assuming that's referencing when we stopped the video Lives was sped Uh, you guys should play tlof2 The legend of friendship The lies of far quad It's not like a shrek game The living ocarina Fiddle true lies or The last of frank The last of Lin flam My birthday's in 17 minutes. Happy birthday ahead of time Someone posted the lives of far quad. Yeah, that was one of the gases The last of fails The last of us Hmm, I mean a shad. Sorry chat doesn't know the last of fringy the land of fringy the last of furries The legend of fringy too that could be it. Yeah, I don't know 10 legs of Format Wonder Woman 84 cinematic version of cyberpunk 2077 Oh, that's a claim All right. Good night massives kiss wolf from me heart and metal. You know what to do This chatter clearly has some kind of deal with metal Wonder if we'll ever find out what it is Hello massives and rags Hello I am trying to write my own fantasy sci-fi novels, but the big problem I have right now is coming up with names people places magical items, etc Uh, do you guys have any tips on how to make your own creative names to fit your fantasy world? Hmm You can take real names and mess around with them. Mash them up reverse them. Yeah Mash them, you know boil them mash them stick them in a stew. I'm gonna word stew Check out some uh random words and random languages Why not see what tickles in your fancy? MMOs have random name generators for all kinds of different characters and races and stuff. You can probably use some of those There you go Yeah, I've never actually had to think about how I would go about doing that myself, you know I just come up with names like lord galathar. You should use that one. Make him a skinny to Oh fucking hell I'm gonna lame way to die No, you don't get tomato. He's mine. I wish to falcon punch you Thank you, uh, steve literally disarms the guy and takes his gun Does he shoot him? I don't think he does, right? I don't know. I'd have to see the scene again Maybe you're right. Uh, that he doesn't quite Avoid killing people. I don't know Uh oi moly cicario two and iron man three praise when and then it just says rags exclamation point Oh, hello rags Um Don't think I'll be praising those movies anytime soon, but you know, it's just the stranger things have happened Ray druth eggs Hello massive boys high top sucks, but will you do e-fab movies of the transformers films? They are true masterpieces of drama and sorrow. I could see that happening Hmm boy not it'd be funny We're gonna do it Uh First super chat arch wall hammers channel was hacked a few days ago Uh, the hacker ran some bitcoin scam ads so youtube deleted his channel. He's trying to get it back Yeah, that happened to some of the uh Uh, yes some other channels who do that sort of thing So hopefully he'll get his channel back soon But at least it's something that youtube is aware of that happens to channels Yeah, that sucks But it's always they get hacked they run these bitcoin or whatever scam streams every single time The coin's crazy. You're shot off Makes a bazillion bazillion millions And I don't even understand it for a second right? I just don't I don't either It's a mystery to a boomer like me flip-flying There we go Uh What are your thoughts on the anomaly ink situation and why is he still on your discord? Uh, I don't know if my mods You have banned people for like If they break a rule outside of the discord. I don't know if they're gonna be doing that anytime soon But if he was to start telling everyone to kill themselves on the discord he probably wouldn't last day very long Yeah, I can imagine And uh, I guess we went over earlier. So we were not impressed Moola moopa wombo mutually galathar destroyer of art. I think mola is like gender fluid But for his supervillain name also high rags. Hey, that is a good theory Can we not invite anomaly on ever again? Uh, I mean, I don't know what you're suggesting by such a statement. I I could see him totally jumping on I have to say and stuff like that. Why not? It'd be great Also, despite getting his neck snapped by diana max isn't even a wonder woman villain So it's weird that they picked him for the evil businessman of the movie instead of her own villains such as veronica kale or dr psycho dr psycho You know when coming up we were just talking about coming up with names for things Dr. Psycho. That's a real good one Dr. Psycho Uh, boop boop Rags look up rad sheba. It is someone you know or is it someone you know? Rad sheba. Mm-hmm I don't know. I don't I don't I don't recall that. No Uh, love you guys tangents you go from postmodernism to discussing truth in one podcast You never know what's gonna happen. We're pretty great Uh question part one of four. I've been watching hillhouse and finished episode five is great so far I've been watching your mini alongside it I found it interesting that in episode one when steve decides to write the book about the black woman You saw it as an act of kindness when I saw it as I thought it was him continuing to write the books Even though he doesn't believe just because he needs the money Like in the scene just before what made you think that or does it spoil what's to come? um He isn't very invested in the story and he also thinks it's bullshit because of the explanation he has But he can tell that she's kind of sad about it And it's like a grim reality that she's not because there's an essence of hope in seeing a husband again I think as much as it's terrifying. It's like and so he's like, you know, I'll I'll put your story in uh In in the thing he doesn't have to he doesn't need her story um I'm pretty sure he could probably write his own at this point because he's he's already done a shit ton of them At least I think that's the implication we have from uh one of his book tours and stuff So yeah, I always took it as him being like I'll put your story in there and she seems relatively happy about that So, uh, that's that's fine. Oh, yeah, I'm I'm I'm really happy to hear that someone might be using that mini that way Like with the system involved in it where you can pause At the times that we're done with the episodes that That's nice to hear Uh graphic scale recommendation budget is five hundred dollars. Ooh Uh you probably have some really good choices. Um, if they're available now some of the 30 series stuff, um Let me see like wasn't it like the 30 70 or something? Let me have to double check, uh How's the availability on them? I don't know check out the 30 series cards because the some of the 500 dollar ones, uh Are really good. I forget the numbers exactly. I used to know but uh, yeah I'm I'm probably going to make a new computer sometime this year But I want to make sure that availability on things is good and the price isn't jacked up because of it um So yeah, look around go to like gamers nexus and jays two cents and linus tech tips and all of those benchmarking channels uh Howdy folks love in the stream. Hello there Have any or all of the teenage mutant ninja turtles been e-fapped Uh, no No, we never make videos on youtube. I don't Yeah, I don't typically know it. I don't know anything about teens. I know that they're teenage Mutant ninja turtles, but that's about it. That's how far as it goes. I have a master splinter. He's their rat daddy He's he's yeah, he's like either He's their sewer rat daddy. Hmm. They like pizza and they say cowabunga dude and shell shocked Yeah All of those things are true. I think what's the name of the bad guy like razor Shredder shredder. That's it shredder. That's the that's the guy right there. He knows what's up And wasn't he taught by splinter or something and that's why he's extra mad I can't remember. Yeah, I don't know any of I don't know any of the teenage mutant ninja turtle lore. I am And we claim to be cultured um Oh, wait, so if the question is about like the movies have they been e-fat movies? No, we haven't done any of them Uh, also does anyone else feel dead to disney star wars? I'm willing. I'm still I mean, I like my star wars. I'm still willing to see new stuff from them But I don't have much hope their track record is fucking abysmal We're not talking about one mistake. All right guys. This is an a lot more than a pattern Have you guys seen pixar's soul? What do you think of it? I didn't like it much The protagonist is an absolute selfish ass also high metal Damn, I have not seen it And I don't believe rags has either but Uh, we could do in the future who knows Just these soul. I think I saw the trailer for it. It looked kind of cool Uh, have you guys seen screen rents woke lord of the rings recasting? Oh god That sounds like it'd be really fun to read Great You know if I can survive adventure mode Without doing one restart. I actually think I get to fight gigabowser. Like that's the way it's done Fucking it's not gonna happen if I keep having these really shitty deaths Oh, wow Uh, second super chat. I'm curious but thoughts on spider verse. I think it's pretty excellent the um insane levels of balancing so many characters All at once the idea of like comb combining different art styles at once um, the overall message about Like who is spider-man what it means to be spider-man and just the standard sort of arc for someone stepping up to their responsibility And um, a bit of subversion with that open into the I think that's chris pine doing the voice of spider-man in that opening as well I remember correctly. I thought it was real neat um What did you think of spider this? I really liked it. It was really well paced There was always some good character moments going on or you know, it's just some fun action scenes dialogue seemed really relatable um, the art and the aesthetic of it was really excellent It it wasn't like it wasn't overloading my eyes or anything um I like the story and how it progressed. I liked all the characters a lot. It was really funny Uh, I'm a I'm a big fan of spider verse. I think it's great There you go First if I was able to catch live no disappointed at all keep ripping and tearing the redrafters cheers Hooray will do If love breaks the time barrier can porn revert the big bang Hmm I guess there's something we're gonna have to try I don't know I still know can this kind of power be harnished. Who knows? Uh, you guys like shrek 2 erod slash block buster buster has an awful review of it e-fap it I mean, I haven't seen shrek 2 in a while, but if I did I'd be up for that Yeah, it's been it has been a long time. Maybe we should have a shrek watch where you just go through the shreks I would just be so absolutely on board with that Shrek deserves his time on e-fap, doesn't he? Yes, I played the shrek 2 game, but is that truly enough? Don't know Entei, hey Give me more legendary pokemon please Arnie's impression on wonder woman What also high rags? Hello, Arnie's impression on wonder woman like what does arty think of wonder woman? I reckon he'd love it and then he'd be like, you know It's still not quite as good as some of these other movies That's his way of trying to explain the difference, you know nice and kind God so much Pikachu death Oh, what an upbeat Had to miss this e-fap but hyped to watch it when it's archived if you ever plan on covering more dc slash mcu vids I suggest getting sk comics and batnik on It's quite possible. Who knows Mola play w7 nightfire that is actually in the potentials. It doesn't run As well as I'd like, but I think it runs well enough So big maybe on that one. Do you have played nightfire rags? No, I never played nightfire We still have the multiplayer on that. Neymola, have you seen carbon networks infinity train on hbo max? If you haven't the first three seasons are out and they are pretty damn great. I am oh Never heard of infinity train I do not know that one So nom's still off to you know officially unsubscribe from him. Uh, how have I have the mighty have fallen. Oh, how the mighty fallen also moops watch the mothman prophecies you weeb. I am not a weeb How dare you? Uh, meme fab when also help I still live in Illinois. Oh I mean we'll do something about it at some point. I'm sure Uh, and as for meme fab probably next week It was gonna be this week, but then the high top video came out and I was like, you know what? I am up for talking about that It's gonna be some fun. So next week more than likely E fat movies for the teenage mutant ninja turtles trilogy I mean, maybe I'm not I'm not against the idea Uh, more the way you pronounce automata makes me want to commit to stop all metabolic functions I'm serious about buying you and rags a copy though. Um, I that's fair and everything like I appreciate it. It's just that uh If I was going to be invested in playing it, I would totally buy it myself Like I wouldn't want the idea of like as long as someone buys it for me I'll play it like I don't like I wouldn't want to make that kind of a an obligation I um I don't think I'd play it because Well, it might take me a while to get to it right now. Um with the video Um, I'm just kind of playing games sort of casually Uh as breaks from working on the video and it might be ages till I get to it And I don't want it to just sit around but Hey, I'll hit you up. I'll ask if uh, you know if I'm in the you know When I get to that spot where I'm just looking to go through games Because I've heard good things about it. I've heard a lot of good things about near so Yeah, maybe When max fell tried to get Steve to make a wish in the fight of the white house Why didn't he wish that all wishes for the past few days were undone? That was the Uh, they'd figured out that he was the wish stone, right? So the goal was to get him to undo all wishes by renouncing his position as wish lord Yeah, and And if the counter is well, he just didn't think of it in the moment And it's like well this this this kind of feeds into one of the issues A lot of the times that people sort of forget like when characters are moving from scene to scene In sequence to sequence they're traveling there and that takes time Like they have a lot of time to think about this stuff in between scenes to formulate plans and stuff of that nature Yeah And it also comes into the whole if someone said oh because you thought of it He had to do it It's like actually I only just thought of it because it's not my I don't even remember the scene where they planned stuff Um, but they would Yeah, like imagine the time it takes from them to fly from washington dc to cairo Let me check It's probably gonna be a while. Yeah uh 10 plus hours Yeah I wish for endless war. I wish for world peace which wins I give the sheer amount of people who Like and plus if you want war and world peace you have to change the attitudes and the minds of everyone So yeah, it just yeah, so I don't know if that's something you want to introduce They already clearly have but on that scale I don't know if they're that old The last you think about it the better because it doesn't make any fucking sense The most nonsensical and fictional thing about Wonder Woman 84 is a woman realizing she was wrong and owning up to it Yeah Still think I mean it is a fantasy Yeah, you're allowed to sit and you know Sit and breaks from reality I just think it would have Honestly open them up for a way better movie if they're just committed to the thing that they accidentally did Oh my god, such a conundrum Because of course the conversation should have been like oh, we've taken over this guy's life And it's like what can we do about that? And if they don't know about renouncing the wish at that point, which I think would be slightly better is like Oh, we've got no choice though What have we done and what you know Like dealing with the repercussions and then introduce the fact that you can actually undo this And will you it's like But uh, oh well because the movie may have been even more boring without that I mean with that because I don't even know how I fit action scenes into it Then again, they found a way so Sure, we could We wonder woman just battles random aliens Thoughts on capital violence I don't like violence I am non-pro violence Yeah, I'm kind of afraid to even talk about it Yeah, that'll be another thing too probably Uh Amal on previous e-faps a a remember I remember you saying you didn't like parts of Caribbean 3 just wondering your thoughts on it also high rags Hey um So I don't know what I said previously. I would clarify now. I like it, but it's terrible um so The third act is probably the most interesting thing that happens It's the major crazy war between like the front of the flying Dutchman and the Black pill with all the characters from the trilogy fucking deal with each other The first two acts of the movie. They were crazy nonsense And to be honest with you, I look forward to covering all the pirates movies on e-fat movies because uh some great discussions to be had I'd say But I did a rewatch fully of them about two years ago I think now with wolf and uh first one holds up real well second one is pretty good but Fools apart completely when you tie it to the third one the third one's garbador North one's bad and then This is it five and six or just five Which other last one was everything after the first two. It's just like mush in my brain It's like all the transformers movies. They all blend into we get into each other well, uh with Dead mental no tales I think uh We were surprised at how bad it was so You know Also, I'm getting close to the end and I haven't had to do a restart yet. That's something It was a reference to major league defending TLJ Okay, I don't know what that's a reference to though. It just says that Question for rags. What's more aggravating in a bad film stupid protagonists or stupid antagonists? Hmm Stupid protagonists, I think well That's tough to say I guess it depends because it could be either Um, it depends on like who the protagonist is supposed to be and who the antagonists are supposed to be Uh, I honestly don't know. I'm trying to think my reasoning was gonna be uh I prefer the antagonist be stupid just because they'd be able to screen less Presumably like I don't know I have to watch the be stupid for less Yeah, and maybe yeah, I I probably go with and It's it's worse to have the protagonist be the stupid one. I feel Because you're always with the protagonist and the protagonist can be super stupid things Probably more often than the antagonist would because we're probably following the protagonist around more so But I'm not a fan of either Fuck off mario Being a dingus oh pokeball please be good. Uh, okay. Well Wow, all right. I give mario that that was pretty awesome. He needs to die now though um Six hours on the piss is enough to make me. Hello rag Hello. All right They should have had steve appear out of nowhere t2 style then watch diana wet herself from seeing his massive wombo again Also, hi rags Hello Mola totally off topic, but mate really want final game of thrones season 8 episode 6 and bridal rage you were so spot on Listen, there's there's there's a possibility that it can be made the prompt is so many other projects I want to make and ones that i'm working on right now. It's just It's a difficult one if I clone myself as a guarantee without that It's gonna always be a maybe But um, I do appreciate the passion behind those those videos people um very much enjoyed them I'm sorry. I didn't manage to get that episode six done within the timeline that I was sort of focused on game of thrones, you know But it could happen one day Uh, the fact she's in film film school is what made her education meaningless. Hey, oh Get licked why ctc w the clone wars is two syllables faster Well, so the way that happens is People have been writing the clone wars Abbreviated and then when they send super chats, it'll be abbreviated and then when I read it I will automatically read tc w rather than the clone wars So it's not something I do necessarily because I think it's better. I think it's takes longer for sure It's just that it's just it just sort of happens I'll be honest with you saying tc w doesn't take that much time out of some of a sentence, you know I don't mind too much saying Oh, wow, he just killed syndical Plus if I saw tc w written out it would take me a moment to be like, oh the clone wars if I knew exactly what it meant Then um I would probably just say it out loud as the thing it is Yeah, sometimes I just forget for a moment that i'm like tc w and then like as i'm reading it I'll be like oh clone wars right now Yep Please don't kill me booze No I've only just I'm been able to fight gigabuzzer in ages seriously Whoa, I do not could do that. All right Um So I take anomalies now an enemy of efap yikes I mean and he can do whatever he wants Uh As if efap 84 needed to be made retroactively worse It's the best one shut up I'm all a big fan just wanted to let you know that you missed my super chat It was comparing cheetah attacking the drunk man with the subway scene from joker. I hope it was youtube being tizmy Uh, I mean, I've just been relieved with him in a big list. I hope it's youtube being tizmy I did not mean to miss it. Um, I'm assuming the comparison is Just the difference in how someone can do something Because I mean there's no question here The joker one is fucking phenomenal compared like it's it's very simply done He kills someone in self-defense and one of them is dodgy and then one of them is absolutely not And it's a nice little progression It's the power that he gets from having the gun The fear that was generated from being hurt prior and that really no jump Listen guys gigabuzzer will be killed one day. It's not today though Um, and yeah and the setup of how he got the gun joker is one of those films we call well written I don't know if you've ever heard of them. They're around Pretty cool. They used to be here. They used to be praised and Now they're only used as Like walking shambling zombies To carry on his money-making machines One day they shall return. Oh wow. That was an awful way to die, too Uh next all was movies being done by patty jankins All right. Well RIP star wars. Oh wait, it's 2020. There's one that happened a while ago Yeah, it dies a lot. It's kind of uh, thank you for spawning invincibility on top of bowser. That's nice Do you struggle get quality new blood for efap? Fuck no, we've got like Not only shit tons of videos to cover but also plenty of guests to still get around and to be honest with you Plenty of traction to be able to run out with uh with new guests different combinations all kinds of things Like maybe we'll try metal and rags soon. Who knows? Oh boy, they seem all right. Yes, they do Except I fucking hate rags. I can't believe he said that thing that he said that I don't like Yeah, that was fucked up. Fuck all the good things he says I don't remember those ones just the bad ones. Yep Um When do you do quake for efap gaming? I mean, I'm on board. I just I'm not sure when someday someday indeed Uh big lez show on youtube better than bojack with fringy I think I've heard people talk about big lez show before I've not seen it though When I say watch you don't have to stream big lez show Thank you. I suppose Uh, do you have any plans to open up a channel on an alternative platform to avoid youtube banhammer? So everything that's done. Are there any left? Both efap and uh My own channel I have backed up. So if ever youtube deleted everything suddenly I would move to another channel But I'd have everything to upload again But no worries about that And uh last of us two video when um after the uh The boy season two that's the plan No plans can indeed change Um When will streamlabs chat be read super chat catch up is well actually Um, that should be All of this streams. I'm gonna read a selection of the streamlabs ones now And then we will try and hit those first on the next catch up Dress them. I mean so the first is Molar and rags go together like peanut butter and doggo Yeah, sure. Yeah, beautiful. Sure. I like peanut butter Um, I like it smooth. I don't like it crunchy. I am okay with both I will I will tolerate them My angle was criticizing high top for saying cheetah's attack was good when it had the same message was better in joker Replace superpowers with a gun Um, yes, actually uh, but for some reason I guess the message wasn't clear enough to high top that what she did was fucked up Again, really strange A lot of reviewers reveal a sense of morality that is dissimilar from my own. What can I say? very Uh was raised grandma a nabuti call I don't know I'm not even sure what that means I don't know what that means Oh, this just says high rags Hello Mola don't read this message aloud also high rags. Oh no. Hello there. I've broken the rules Oh darn God emperor of the intel acutal Oh, it actually says intellectual gaming community tonal bloke said there are no good lord of the rings games in his newest video Um The fact that I have to think about it should tell you that it's Complicated way ones are fine for what they are. I guess like return of the king is is fine on game cube It's not fantastic, but it's also not like a disaster. So Yeah It's not miserable. Then there's like a couple of the pc ones like the um, wasn't there like a bell front clone type I can't remember what it's called Um, there was lord of the ring. There's the The one where you could like summon ghosts and stuff mordor champion of Mordor some shadow of mordor Oh, yeah, I were two of those I figured that one was already considered. I don't know if do people consider it bad these days or I don't know. I kind of legit don't know um There's some there's some rts's I think right Yes, I'm pretty sure those ones are still considered good I think there was a I don't know if they still do it, but they had this hex based um collectible Lord of the rings game where you'd buy like figurines and maps and stuff And you could put them down and have them do things and they use hex based grids um I don't know if they're that's still going on but Shadow of war was great once they patched the loot box nonsense. Yeah, it could be I have not played enough Lord of the rings games to really comment on this but I could believe it. The there's no good ones. I just you know, I'd hope it's not the case I love satan. See any goats around? No because I sacrificed them ALBL's above fill me with your dark naughty ways. Oh There's a knight god is pretty fond of the animal sacrifices that then have to be a satan thing I guess they just they're just trying to appeal to satan and apparently he does like that. So Why not? There's a nightmare mod made by comea for re5 Which makes the game harder and way more challenging with more enemies for this mod true ammo conservation strategies are required early on though Anyway, love what you do keep up the amazing work Thank you and um, thank you Yeah, I mean, I'm probably good on playing resident evil 5 for a while now Perhaps rags and I will return to it in two years or something Yeah, we could do it on the harder mode See how things change up Maybe we'll get even more frustrated Yeah, and at least the frustrations that were from the game weren't like causing us like gameplay issues Like it wasn't stymying our progress making us endlessly frustrated It was like that shouldn't have happened or oh now I have to use this item when that shouldn't have that sort of thing Well Neil Druckmann said that in Uncharted 4 the studio was conscious to have fewer fights But it came more from a desire to have a different kind of pacing than to answer the ludonarrative dissonance argument Because we don't buy it Okay, well, well if they didn't mean to and it fixed it or at least it helped it then yeah Well, no because it the having Wait like you're saying like the reduction of fights was to do with pacing not to do with fixing ludonarrative dissonance is what they said But the part of the ball is me is that we don't buy it. It's like I don't care if you don't buy it It's fucking clear as day Yeah, whatever the Well, which part do we not buy like exactly? Well, I'm assuming what their reason for doing that I thought I thought the comment was saying that he is saying he doesn't buy this ludonarrative dissonance Neil Druckmann all the team In which case I'd be like well the the idea that You have such a great focus on like the cycles of violence And then we have to spare abbey because of the ultimate adventure of fucking killing people is kind of wrong In between all of this crazy level of killing kind of gets distracting I would say I was thinking of Uncharted for some second I don't know why I did but now that it's Neil uh now. I know what you're talking about. Um I think of people complaining about uh Uncharted's ludonarrative dissonance I don't know. I maybe I'm confusing it with something else. Maybe I should give me a sec I need to get some of your right back. Okay Season four of Attack on Titan is coming out currently. Have you seen the show one of my favorites? Check it out I have not and I've seen a lot more recommendations for it recently. So that makes sense that it's coming out Attack on Titan is freaking great. Watch it Like I said lots of recommendations but Mr. President, I wasn't tired of winning yet sad face Uh So you added razor fists on twitter. Hope you guys get to connect. Yeah, I did. I gave it a shot. Um I assume if he is interested he'll let me know But I don't know right now Now I'm knee to the doctor sent form parody idea one out of two Vitae is extracted by excessive cooming then when you've been caused to coom at But so much depraved shit that you're numb to everything, you get the mind wipe. And the shadow, or red flesh, or whatever it's called, is a giant floating vagina, or a succubus that eats your soul, more or expected to be a voice actor in this when it inevitably gets made. I suppose I could lend my voice to such things. It sounds like an interesting idea, of course, I wouldn't want to suggest otherwise. I can see a lot of creativity went into it. Okay, can I? Yep. Okay, God, Ganondorf is so fucking heavy. Bye, DK. Oh, that's gone too. That went well. But I'm proud that you figured that out. You know, you went to the efforts of doing that. Uh, Trump is the Halloween Grinch. You have a like movie, Bob, definitely. G'day, Moopa and Rags. Hello. I have a movie recommendation, Going Postal. A two-part TV movie adaptation of the Terry Pratchett book of the same name. As far as adaptations go, it's rather faithful. Oh yeah, and Charles Dance is in it, too. Coomium. Well, well. Going Postal. I mean, if Charles Dance is in it, you know. Same. Definitely a plus. No, no, no, no, no, no. Why is the hip hop and DK level? It's in the main menu, I think, for his games. I'll be honest with you, I can't quite remember. Um, hey, Mueller, I was thinking since eFap debates have been considered as shambles, that maybe you should try out a formal debate style. Oh, no. Um, formal debate style might come across as more functional. Like, people might be like, there you go, I understood the sides clearly. Um, but you'll end up with a situation where a lot less was even addressed. And, um, we don't really have a huge amount of interest in that one. We like it when people have to, wow. Good move, DK. I'm almost proud of the bots sometimes in this. Not even on, fucking, they're on normal difficulty, too. Alright, I am here. Hello. Hi. We just, um, just read one out that said you should try a formal debate style, opening statements for buttholes, opening discussion for debates since they're not well-received. It's like, fuck no. Uh, fuck no. That was really short. And we're talking like, I'm fine with the idea of an opening statement if it's short, right? Couple minutes each side just so that they get their positions clear and out there and then just let them, you know, ding ding, go at it. Um, but I don't like the formal debate styles. I just kind of prefer open discussions. One point at a time. And I don't think that they don't go bad because of the format. They go bad because of like the positions people take and their ability. Yeah, I was saying that. I was like, it might come across by the end of it. Oh, that went really well. I'd be like, but how much was actually addressed? How much progress was actually made? Or was it just both sides telling the audience how they feel about the topic? Because they, you know, express about 10 points and then someone counters one while saying three more points in relation to it and then they counter one of those four and add five more that aren't to do it. And just like, well, this was great. Um, as much as it can lead to a bit of, uh, you know, harsher back and forth, I would prefer just a point-by-point basis and, um, an address of every single piece of an argument as it goes forward. Sort of style. But, um, don't worry. A lot of people feel they have the answer when it comes to making EFAP debates better. As far as I'm concerned, they're just not going to go, like, perfectly well. The nature of debates they often won't. Um, as I said, I assume it's the same for X, but I still watch a lot of debates in my day-to-day and, uh, our ones go relatively well, honestly. Get Flash, Gets, and Meat Cannon on. They've been podcasting and they just talk on end about random shit. Tom is a movie snob and they all love talking about weird sex-tisms. They'd be a good fit. Oh, they would, yeah. I'm absolutely on board with that. I will perhaps shoot them a message in some way, shape, or form. Uh, hi, Jay. Watch Batman TAS? Fuck you, rags. Oh, well. What makes you think we're going to watch Batman TAS if you're going to be all mean, you know? Batman TAS? TAS. The series, right? The animated series, yeah. Oh, Batman TAS. Oh, okay, gotcha. Hmm. Heaven and Hell sucks. Who the fuck wants to one-shot all the bosses? It's not just me. That's like the opposite of fun, right? I mean, depending on the game, of course. If it's Dark Souls 2, one-hitting all the bosses is probably better. I don't know what it was. Heaven and Hell. I don't see how Heaven Hell fits. Is it? I don't know. I can't remember the context for this, but I'm confused by opening with Heaven and Hell sucks because you can one-shot all the bosses. Well, if we were going to say... I guess someone in chat could let us know just in case there's a reminder. But I have found that sometimes in games I'm thinking, what if this was like everything dies in a hit, but you are also extremely vulnerable? It's interesting. Definitely changes how you play. In Risk of Rain 2, there's a modifier that you can get where you do 500% more damage to enemies, but you have 10% your normal health. So it totally changes how you behave in game. The characters you use, the items that you pick up, and it's really kind of interesting. The runs, which are often short, just the way that you behave is so different. It changes everything, which is really interesting. A lot of games might improve from a little optional mode. Yeah. Swat and Halo? Swat is shit, though. I hate Swat and Halo. I think it's dumb, actually. Can I just hit someone with my magic wand, please? He's acting like it's Marvin Branagh running around the police station in RE2 in a grass skirt with a spear. Also, what are the boss characters' plans after killing you in an RE series? How do they function as massive tentacle monsters? I don't think they're concerned with that. I've actually thought of that. So this guy in the boat who just transformed himself into this huge, hideous monstrosity, let's say he does kill us. I guess he's just living in that lake now. Yeah, that's just his thing now. That must be great. What's he going to do? No idea. I guess we'll never know. Attack on Titan is as if someone used the JJ Abrams Mystery Box method but actually had a plan and put something satisfying inside the box. I think lots of people praise and attack on Titan. I sure do hope it is good. Prime flaw of the T-Virus was that it caused extreme brain deterioration which of course is why a majority of infected have the stupid. Umbrella bypassed the stupid by inducing the bioengineered NEA into a host allowing some retention of intelligence. Alright. Okay. I'm sure you're right. Good to know. The first bell, yeah. And I'm very glad that you enjoyed them. Dark Souls is quite a fun experience, you might say. I will get to all of them and I will add the ones that got added today. And like I said, Rags and I will try and get a catch up going. Yeah, we can do that. What do we have? Well, we can talk about that later. Hopefully soon we can get one caught up. I don't have a very busy schedule. I'll be around here pretty much. Hopefully soon. We will try and find a slot. We're very good at that, you see. But that about does it for today. We just hit 10 hours. I feel like that's probably a solid enough time to say. Good Jimbo. Something like that. Mola, do you watch The Great British Baking Show? And if not, are you truly a British long man? I do not. And I don't consider it important to the British experience. Also, what do you guys think of David Lynch's work? I'm not really that familiar with it, honestly. I've seen a couple of stuff, things through it, but just nothing recently. So my mind blanks on it. But fascinating is obviously one of the words you could use. But yes, I think so we'll probably end there. The only other thing would be what's happening as time comes along. So we got a couple people editing EFAP movies now. I've tried to move around in terms of editors but I can basically focus entirely on mainline stuff. One division is coming out soon. We're going to want to check it out. Hopefully it's mundane and there's no coverage required. But maybe there will be. Maybe we'll put it in the form of EFAP alone. Maybe it'll be minis. I doubt it'll be minis though. I'm working on the Boys Season 2 video pretty much exclusively now. I got done with The Wonder Woman 1 the day it got out. It's still hit with copyright but for some reason it only blocked it in France or French counties. I don't know. I'm hoping for it to stop doing that at some point but at least it means that most of the world can still see it. And I believe Rags is working on the Mandalorian stuff which is about it. Other than that, more EFAP things are on the way. Is there anything else we should say before heading to Sleepy Slash ET town? No. Not really. We've talked enough. That's what we do. Thanks everyone for showing up. Thanks everyone for sticking around. That was a fun video to cover. It was densely packed. It was quite a video. Good luck in the future, High Top. You are a special creator. It's undeniable. That's for certain. And as for us, that is about goodbye. Thank you so much for the donations. Meme FAP is on the way. That should be next Saturday unless something comes up that we want to cover live. We will be doing another catch up for the Superchats. We're getting there chunking away. And thank you all for hanging out. Goodbye. Toodaloo. See you later.