 higher than, you know, I might be, you know, I'm higher than you, depends on where you're at, I guess, you know, lad, tune the lines. So, well, the calculation is my son, who's in, you know, I'm higher than my son was in Minnesota. What happens is the the borders go up. So Minnesota is actually more north than yeah, we are Ontario dips down, but we're back, right? So we're kind of like, but you're Ontario, you're in Ontario, right? You're Michigan's. I'm in Michigan. Yeah, Michigan. I thought you were Ontario, Jimmy. You're Quebec. I'm in Quebec. Yeah. Oh my god. Are you guys both speak a lot of French? Them too or? Well, we have pretty much no choice to get by. I'm one of those lazy Americans. It does not speak. I actually was in it was 19 though. I was I went to Old Quebec City for the first time in December of 19. It was beautiful. Really. Oh yeah. I mean, it's about as close as you can get to Europe without going to Europe. Quebec City. That's exactly what I thought, man. It's just so old. I was like, it was unbelievable. Yeah. I mean, you walk around the old town and there's literally cannonballs still stuck in walls from when like the French were shooting at each other and like they're it's pretty cool. I was trying to dig one out, but then I figured the it's been tried before. I think you're gonna need more than just a spoon in your hands. Yeah. Alright guys, we are alive. Right. Today on the show. I'm curious. Here we go. Todd, Michael Hall, Sonic Healing. I just put that up your album cover art on there. It sounds very it looks very cool. It's like some sort of snake thing happening with a microphone in a nap. Is that it? Yeah, it is. It's the medical symbol, you know, the rod and the serpents. So, that's supposed to be the healing. That's what it is. Yes. Because you are a part-time doctor, correct? Of course. Yeah, I play doctor. I just asked my wife, you know. No, the you know what it was is with the the title Sonic Healing, I was like, hey, you know, maybe we could do something that involves the the medical symbol and there's a few different medical symbols, but kind of the famous one is the rod and the serpents, which it has a certain name and I'm forgetting it. So, please forgive me. And I told Jean Michelle, who you know, Joe from Rat Pack had lined me up with him and he just kind of I said, maybe you can, you know, have the rod be a guitar neck or whatever have you and I don't know. He just went away and came back with this and I was like, whoa, I was blown away. I thought this looks awesome. So, worked for me. I thought it looked great. Yeah, it does look great. Sonic Healing produced by Kurt van der Hoef from of course, Middle Church fame. Yeah. Guitarist and main man will be released May the 7th or it's been released on May the 7th on Via Rat Pack records. But before all this happened, there was the voice and we spoke. We had an interview about the voice. Yeah, yeah, we did the whole voice thing. All right. So, just explain to people just quickly that that experience on the voice and how it led to all this or just tell us about the voice and the aftermath of the voice. How's that? Well, I mean, I think the reason the voice led to this is because when I got on the voice, you know, I did a foreigner for my blind audition song and actually, you know, I knew Joe from Rat Pack from previously because Armor of Light, the last Riot 5 album was almost released on Rat Pack actually, but in the last moment, Donnie and Mike decided to sign with Nuclear Blast instead. And so, I knew Joe from that and I had sung a cover tune for him that he never released, but that's how I kind of knew him anyway and introduced him to the band and went on to have you. And I had told him a while back, you know, he invited me to do a solo album a few years ago back around that era and I told him I want to do some old school rock and he was thinking heavy metal because I'm in Riot. And so, you know, nothing really came of it. And then after I was on the voice and in the jukebox hero song kind of was hitting a little bit. It seemed like it resonated with people. I called them back up and said, man, I said I'd really like to kind of hit the ground running with something and have an album to release after this voice thing is done. I said, I have a bunch of song ideas. Can you hook me up with someone to help me turn these into, you know, old school rock, classic rock inspired stuff. And he thought about it and he's like, well, I've got a guy and then he went and talked to his guy and then he came back and said, all right, I got this guy. It's Kurt Vanderhoof from Metal Church. Do you know him? And I had met him because we opened up for Metal Church in Switzerland and I actually talked to him a little bit out front because he sat out and watched a sound check and he was telling me how he likes sorts of tequila and stuff. And the interesting part was that once we got going though, you know, Kurt listened to some of my song ideas but once he got going he just, he's really interesting the way he writes. I haven't really experienced this before. He's like, let me get in the zone. And I remember he had some stuff to finish up or whatever heavy but he called me. He says, all right, I'm going to start now. I'm like, okay. And like a week later, I think it was, he's like, all right, I just loaded up five songs in our shared Dropbox folder. And I'm like, really? And then like, I'm like, okay, cool. I started listening to them and then like the next day is like, all right, I got another one. And then the next day I was like, all right, I've got, I got running after you done here. Take a listen and then pop up. And we just went back and forth like that for like, I don't know, in 21 days he had 18 songs written and loaded into that Dropbox and add another week to it. And I had lyrics and vocal melodies for like 15, 15 or 16 of those songs. 15 we ended up finishing recording. So it was like a very amazing, amazing period. I mean, it kind of helped that it was COVID and my business was shut down for a little bit. And so I could focus on it fully. But I've experienced songs that went fast like that, but never, never a whole album. It was just amazing. I mean, we had the whole album written in, inside of a month and then, you know, spend another month recording, another month mixing it. And we've had it, had it done really since end of June. It's just been taken forever to get all the promo material together. Yeah, it's hard. It was hard to film videos and stuff like that. Oh, cool. I should stop talking and let you ask another question, huh? No, no, it's fine. No, you make it easy for us. You're the guest. I mean, you just, you just stand there and I just, I, you just poke me and then I'll talk about it. And I won't shut up. We tickled you. I have really long answers. I, I actually, I get teased heartily from it because all my, you know how you have your buddies. I have these, this group of friends from high school days and we get together. And to this day, whenever I tell a story, they all fake fall asleep, roll their eyes and you know, it's, it's known as a Todd story. Even my own, my own family ridicules me. So All right, well, let's wind you up again. Yeah, yeah, I get it from my mom. She's a long story teller. So congrats on the record because I will say like any press, I know it's only been out since I think Friday, but any press I've seen and reviews I've seen, they've all been positive. So congratulations on that. That's always a great thing. I was the same too offline. Like it's, it's a very positive upbeat record. I was listening to it for the first time, sunny day, driving in my car, put me in a great mood. And it's not always easy to be in a great mood or be coming from a great place with these times we're living in. So, you know, why did you want to, you know, did it just come out organically between you and Kurt or, you know, why did you want to go the route of kind of having sonic happy, happy. Why didn't you go down the death route of the black metal? It's a little, the subject matters a little different than what you do with riot. You know, I mean, for there's, there's, there's things in here that riot fans positive, positive, out, you know, but, you know, it's different. So, so, what, what made you go that route? I mean, I think if you, if you look, I mean, if you look at my, my work in riot, I mean, because I write a lot of lyrics in riot and you can see, I mean, with the album armor of light, there's definitely some positive touches in there. I think what happened for me is like, so I was on like seven albums, seven heavy metal albums, like in a row, basically. I mean, I guess I had one, my one little solo album in there that I did for charity, the love songs and whatnot. But just a lot of heavy metal, a lot of heavy metal. And I was kind of in the mood for, you know, we jokingly say that riot because there's, has been around for so long riot. The early riot is like left to right riot and the, the later riot is up and down riot, you know, because you, and I just wanted to do something that wasn't all double base, you know, what I have you. And, and I just had a hankering for the old school stuff. And, and, you know, I call old school, I mean, because I can't call myself classic rock because it'd be classic rock. You have to be old and have to be really popular and I'm not that, but I'm old, but the music's not right. And, and so I just think back to my youth and in, you know, it started when I was really just not even a teenager yet, just a tweeny, all the bands that I just remember like Boston and, and sticks and Ariel Speedwagon, my brother John would listen to Ted Nugent and Van Halen was mixed up in there and, you know, all those types of bands like Triumph and that, and really there's two things that stick out my mind. One, I felt like there was just that air, that golden era of singers where everybody had these big huge ranges, lots of, you know, you know, that kind of singing, you know, even like Queen. I remember we had this big old cabinet turn table in our living room and we would, the kind, if you jump too close to it, it skips and what not happened. And it was also a TV. Yeah, yeah, I mean it was, or a table, or a table. Dinner, yeah, dinner. Yeah, it was a piece of furniture. It was like six foot long with the stick speakers built into it. But I remember we had that Queen album and I couldn't remember, but I just saw it today. It was News of the World, the one second alien hole in somebody or whatever. Yeah, like a robot or something. And yeah, we had that album. And I mean, just so many. I mean, and, but I remember it as a kind of the golden era of singers and it really stretched into the 80s. Because if you look in the 80s, it was like these virtuosos, you know, right? Everybody knew who the singers were, everybody knew who the guitar players were and drummers and it was all that. The other thing that I remember too is just the music was all over the radio and there was just like a real positive energy about it. You know, I don't live in a huge town, but the Saginaw Civic Center was called back then now it's called the Dow Event Center. But I mean, it holds about 7,000 people. And I know that when the tour bus was there, everybody would be all excited and you'd get in and there was just that energy in the atmosphere. And, and like you didn't really know much about the bands. And when you'd get the album cover, you'd read the lyrics from one end of the other and study it and look at pictures and read magazines just because, you know, you didn't know what they had for breakfast that day. Like you could do nowadays. Now, now there's like no mystery. It seems if they play on social media anyway. And so I don't know, there was just this to me it was just an era of just great rock and roll and just a lot of positive energy. And so I think for me, that's that's where I wanted to be with the albums. That's kind of where it ended up. And, and, you know, I talked about with Kurt and Kurt was throwing music at me that I don't know, does the music itself seem positive? I guess I don't know. Maybe it was just me. I guess I could have made it like angry sound and stuff I wanted to. But I think the music had more that feel too. It's upbeat. It's it is it's bouncy. It's it's you know, there's that. Yeah, there are elements of what you heard in the seventies and eighties there that just when life was a little bit more carefree. And you kind of feel that not just it's not just lyrically. It's definitely in the music as well. Yeah. And I definitely wanted that. And I think that's ultimately why that, you know, because the one song I wrote and I didn't actually have a title for the song. But then I said sonic healing during the song. And I thought, oh, well, that big make kind of cool title for the song. And then later on, we're like, wow, that seems like the best name for this album. Even. Yeah. So yeah. But you know, all the songs were all organic, all written brand new. We didn't go in with any ideas. So it was all created on the spot. Let's just go. We'll come back to this, but I just want to want to touch on something. You're on the voice would now that you've gone through the whole process that all the auditions, the stress and all that, would you recommend to somebody to go through that experience? Or do you think, oh, did it help that it hurt or was just too much stress or overall experience? If someone was to ask you, should I audition? What would you tell them? I think I would say it depends on what they think they're going to get out of it. Like. Well, yeah, that's a good point, too. Yeah. I mean, if you if you're looking for a really cool experience, then I would go do it. If you're looking for something that you're going to make money doing. I mean, I don't, you know, and I mean the actual event because for some people, I was very blessed when I they didn't I didn't have my salary cut when I left work. And I've been here for 30 years and I have a vacation policy and it's a family business anyways. So so but there are other people that were on there that I know they they quit their jobs and stuff in order to be able to go be out because you have to go be there for like three weeks now another three weeks and if you keep going, it's longer and longer. So in that aspect, for some people, I could see where it would be financially burdensome, really financially burdensome for them to go on the show. And so I would say if that's going to be a problem for you and you don't have a real supportive family, then maybe you don't want to do it. If someone is going on it because they think it's going to like they're going to be the superstar afterwards, then I would say that that might not be the best perspective because let's face it, there's not a lot of people that have been on the voice that you can really name that because they're superstars, you know, not like, you know, there's some people that you can name, but they're usually American Idol people, you know, and there are some people from the voice that have done really well, but keep in mind, I mean, the music world's really splintered and so there's people that might have lots of stuff, but they're not household names necessarily. So I think, but I mean, I had a great time. I had a great experience. I definitely am happy that I did it. It gave me really huge, intense exposure. I think a lot of that attention is what I would call voice apparatus. You know, it's voice attention and I don't know that you necessarily carry those people with you, but I definitely made, you know, friends and from it and I definitely made. But here's the question. Here's the question. I get it. It's a great experience. If you were 25 years old versus, you know, well, you're like 40 something now, right? I'm 51. Okay. You're 51. It's worse. I'm 52. So it's all right. And you're a better shape to me. So do you think if you were 21 or 25, it would have been a completely different ball game? I think really the struggle for me, I don't think it was my, well, it might be my age. It just depends on, because they have a, they have a preference for more modern music. And I know that sounds stupid, but that's where I kind of got a little screwed up in the, in the knockout round, I think, because there was a little bit of an insistence on some element of it being newer. And so I think it just really depends. First of all, I didn't necessarily go in thinking I would win and because I know the show is very pop based and I'm in the rock. So I can tell you right now, flat out, they're just not that into rock. I mean, I just watched the show last night, not the whole thing, but a lot of it. And it's like the every song is so low key. I'm not slamming the show. I hopefully don't try to be negative. There's a group for that. They have to cater to an audience right there. That's right. Yeah. But everything on the show is more emotional and slow. And like, I wanted to come bring the energy, man. When I was talking, what was cool is, man, I was on the form with Clyde Lieberman, you know, on a Zoom call. And because I wasn't out yet, it was like, hey, what do you want to do for the live rounds? What are some of the songs you would pick? And I had picked like Iron Maiden, you know, and I had some songs of that. You told me, you told me you had one in your hat. And they're like, no. Was it Iron Maiden that you had? Like Phantom of the Opera or something? What? No, it was, it was some, it was some somewhere in time. Wasted years. No, no, wasted years. Sorry, it was wasted years. I remember you told me, Todd, you told me, Jimmy, there's just one song if I make it through the next round, I'm going to do it. And it could have worked, but we made it through that. And like, you know, I know that you also spoke, there's a lot of complications and being able to do a song on the show. Yeah. Well, you have to get approved. I mean, actually, my next song after the knockout, if I'd have made it through that, like for the knockout round, I think they had a preference for me to have a ballad because there was four options for my knockout round. And remember tomorrow? Yeah. One of them was Dio Holy Diver. But they didn't give me that. There was also, I had a police song on there. And then I had Adele set fire to the rain. I thought I could do well on that. And then I had that other one. And so that's, I think they wanted a ballad. But my song, if I would have made it through the knockout, was going to be Boston, more than a feeling. And I really wanted to get a chance to do that. And I actually performed it for Blake a couple of times through like a Skype type meeting. And he was like, ooh, that's awesome. Why didn't you do? I wish you'd have done that in the knockout round. And I'm like, well, it wasn't an option. You know, I mean, it wasn't, but it'd been an option to knock out round out of picked it, you know. But yeah, I had, I had like a white snake song on there. I mean, I had Iron Maiden. I had some good songs on there. And what was funny is, when I spoke to Clyde Lieberman, who was the head music producer, he was talking about the Iron Maiden, like he was serious about, yeah, man, because what it was is they had a song that would be your, they have a night where like you send a song out to someone, like you could send one out to your wife or you could send one out to this, that. And I wanted to send that song out to my best friend, Bob, from my childhood. And he thought that was a really cool angle and stuff. So he was actually giving it thought. And I was, I think to myself, my God, if I could only got through a few more rounds and be able to do Iron Maiden, because over in Europe, they do that, you know what I mean? You've heard TNT, you know, on and you've heard all these rock bands, but over here, you know, you don't, you don't see that. So I thought that would have been really cool to do an Iron Maiden song on there. You know, I remember watching, and I'm sure Perrin saw it too, when you were doing a jukebox hero, I go, this is like a slam dunk. And then you did, what did you do after jukebox hero went? It was simply the best, the Tina Turner song. It was kind of like you in a different league than the other artists. They were kind of like at the early developing stage and you were sort of a professional singer. You should have won hands down, you know, I, maybe because I'm looking at it from a different angle, I'm looking at it from the angle of where your album's at. It's a, you know, the great singers and it comes kind of ties into your album, right? The great singers of the 70s and 80s, these kids and nothing against them, but they don't have that. They don't understand that concept. I think that for me, like I came, when coming out with jukebox hero, that was a song that I did in the open call. I did it in the callback. I did it in the executive. I did it in the blind audition. I mean, it was like, it was my song and I think they knew it and they liked the way I sounded on it. And I think just after that, you know, as much as Blake might have said, you know, you got to stay in your lane, they weren't really keeping me in my lane. I don't think my lane would have won. Like if I would have came out and sang Dio Holy Diver for the knockout round, I probably wouldn't have won because most of the people that watched that show are going to be like, what is this? Yeah, exactly. I think I would have rocked it out, but I don't think so. So I accept everything that happened. Like I don't, I'm not mad about it, but to get back around to answering- I'm mad at it. I'm mad at it. I'm mad at it though. I could be mad I'm allowed. To get back to answering your question, I think that if you are a rock guy, you're going to struggle a bit on that show. Now, what I would say this is there were incredibly, incredibly talented people on that show. And there were quite a few of them that really had this kind of trajectory going. Like I started out real high with Jukebox, and then the song selection, I felt like it was almost like I was heading down. I felt like I did really good on the Tina Turner song. I wasn't that thrilled with how I did on the other one, which band I can't remember the name of. I haven't watched the show since. But there were some people that made and did really well. And when I look at and try to compare to myself to their voices and things they do, it's in one way it's like an apple and an orange because I do this stuff that they don't do, but then they do stuff that I don't do and they're so good at it too. So I thought they were great singers. What's weird for me on the show is I don't think they give a lot more... Like to me, I give a... It depends on your perspective on things. I give a lot of credence to a big range. Like I personally think if you can hit a really low note. Going back to my point. And you can do stuff that most people can't do, that that's pretty incredible, but they give a lot of credence to a tone. And I don't think so. I think they look at who can we market and manage and have a career with and who we can book. That's what they look. They kind of look, yeah, tone, a look, a certain... But not really though, because the show's not tied into your career. You're signed to a record contract. So honestly, the show, they have a very this season perspective. Now, if you win, they'll kind of involve you with later seasons. But it's like every season, it's like a new batch of kids and they're kind of done and they've moved on to the new one. So I don't agree with that. I think that what it is, is they want everyone to do well. They try to make everyone do well. But the challenge they had with me is that there was a certain batch of songs they want people to pick from. And that's tough for me because there was... When you give me 400 songs and there's only a half a dozen that I can even know the names. I mean, there was a lot of songs. I'm like, what is this? But so I'm definitely not slamming the voice, but I would say it's... They're very geared toward pop. And that's not as much... I can sing it, but it's not really where I was wanting to necessarily be on it. And so I think that's the tough part for me. I think the problem is the judges, but maybe the judges are giving direction. I mean, Kelly Clarkson, who's got a great voice and who could rock out and do pop. I thought you would have been a more leaning towards you, but maybe the producers are pushing them in a certain direction because they want... So show at the end of the day, right? Ultimately, they want everyone to do well and they want to make America fall in love with you, America and the world or whatever, fall in love with you and vote you and want to watch the show. That's really all they care about. And I don't mean that in a negative way. I mean, that's what they're doing. No, no, that's what it is. It's what it is. But yeah, I was surprised at Kelly. I thought that Nick was a known commodity to me. I didn't know. I knew he'd done some kind of half rock stuff, so I thought maybe he would, but he sings a lot of falsetto. I don't hear him sing head voice. So I think when he heard me sing a head voice, he was kind of like, what is that? And Kelly, I thought Kelly would be into it. And she did when she turned around. She's like, oh, I forgot to hit my button. They edited that out though, so you didn't see it on TV, but she said that. And so, yeah, it was, you know, yes, I don't know. I think so. The bottom line is, if you're going on the voice, don't expect, and I think that's what it is. There's the expectation that if I win it or if I'm close to winning it, I'm going to be selling out arenas. No, I mean, even if you win it, I mean, you know, you're back to just trying to, what the voice is, it's a great opportunity. It shows you a lot of people. It's a nice bump, but you're not like a huge star. And even the winner, like if you look at, I mean, if you look Todd Tillman, I still talk to him. He's an awesome guy. And he just gave me a shout out on a tweet and stuff for my new album. And I thank them a lot for it and stuff. You know, but I mean, like, if you look at how many followers he has, 30 or 40,000, whatever, followers, 35, well, thunderstorm artists who came in like third place, he's got like 80,000, you know? So, I mean, it's just, who knows who knows who hits what and what happens and how you do it afterwards. But you're definitely, I, from what I understand, I mean, I don't want to speak like I'm a total authority, but from what people have told me and what I understand, a lot of times the record contract that you get is actually just the single that they release at the end of the show. You know, on the final four night, you do like your original song and that song can be, okay, there's your release and then they don't do anything with you. So, it doesn't seem like the record label has been trying to do anything with the winners. So, you're kind of off on your own when you're done. So, frankly, the winners not in a whole lot than I am. Next, next, next. I mean, the TV show is certainly out of the next and I get it. So, it seems to me like it's the record label maybe dropping the ball, but you know what it, you can't manufacture stars, you know? No, and I think that's a good point. You know, you can have, you can't manufacture stars. No. So, Todd, you mentioned, well, I mean, we mentioned jukebox hero because that was your hopping on point for the voice. And I definitely heard Lou Graham hearing the new album. And, you know, I listened to it that I'm scribbling, you know, I hear Night Ranger, I hear Foreigner, I hear Free and Bad. I hear Rush. You know, I heard Aerosmith. That's just what I heard. But what were you hearing? What were you channeling when you were making Sonic Healing? Because, you know, I think for me, you know, musically, I know, you know, because Kurt would write the music and I believe for Kurt, you know, what he was doing is he was kind of thinking of different things that influenced him back in the day and different artists. So I do think musically, for sure, you're hearing a mix. You know, when you listen to all on the line, if you don't think Foreigner at the beginning of that, because it's got that it just sounds like hot-blooded or something. Yeah. You don't know. And it's faster and it doesn't sound. I think the beauty behind what Kurt did is he wrote songs that have a hint of origin, but they just don't sound like a blatant ripoff. And I think that's because he goes different places that they didn't go. So, like, to me and I, Jimmy, you posted a comment about it, but that song I posted a video of today running after you. You listen to Pre-Chorus writing on an endless wave. When you listen to that. That's Rush. That's Rush right there. Like, I don't know why. I didn't copy Rush, but he gave me the guitar line and I made up the vocal line and it just screams Rush for just a moment, but then nothing else really sounds like Rush. That's the thing, right? I just sound like Rush for one second. I'll even say, vibe-wise, and again, you wouldn't think you'd get this from the guitar player from Metal Church and the singer from Riot, but I even heard some hints of 80s hair metal in there. Like, you know, there's a band, I don't know if you know them, Takedo, with Danny Vonovil. I know Takedo, yeah. It's also when Wasted. And, you know, there's a couple songs I'm listening to and I'm like, man, you know, that sounds, what does it sound like? And I'm like, yeah, it sounds a little bit like Takedo or, you know, so there's some, there's a bit of 80s, you know, whether it's 80s AOR or 80s melodic rock metal, I just kind of, I think, I think it did. You know, we were shooting for kind of old school, which makes me think more 70s, but we definitely didn't land just in the 70s. There's certainly some 80s vibe going on. And, you know, like when, like to me, I'm just like, I just took the music and I'm just singing. So like, I feel like I sounded pretty similar throughout the whole album and I didn't necessarily sound like anyone in particular. Although like, there's one song, like if you listen to Like No Other, that song to me seems like it's a little different than the other ones. And for some reason, I feel like I sound like Empire-era Jeff Tate on that. And I think it's because the Empire album, Empire, well, the Empire album had a lot of relationship songs, if you think about it, it had, oh God, Jet City Woman. Yeah, Jet City Woman and stuff like that. And I have that. Another rain night, another rain night. That kind of stuff. Yeah. And Like No Other is kind of a relationship-y type of song. And if you listen to the verses, you can't say, yeah, you know, I don't know. I feel like there's a little pinch of Jeff Tate in there. Well, speaking of Queens, right, Todd Lattori says, all the best to you, Todd, with your new release, Amazing Vocalist. Awesome, man. Todd, thank you very much, Todd. He's, his album is incredible too. I mean, like, I can't believe his voice. I can't believe he can sing that. Every time we do a show with Todd Lattori. Yeah. We always have to get a Todd plug in. Now we're going to be a Todd plug. It used to be There it is. I'm sure he's laughing there. Yeah, that his voice, I don't even know how he does it. I'm going to have to have some lessons with him because I cannot sing. I call it the cookie monster stuff, man. I can't sing that. It just rips my throat up. Well, he doesn't really do the cookie monster stuff. It's pretty. It's yeah, it's definitely not bad. It's not the you know, but it's it's pretty rough. It's definitely way rougher than I can do. I mean, if you listen to reverence, that's me trying to sound rough. And that my brother Rick is like, it doesn't sound any different to me. And I'm like, really? I'm really trying, you know. So we're we're laying the groundwork here for a Queen's Strike Metal Church riot tour. So that's what we're angry for. A lot of times we do a show or just adding bands. It's going to be a festival at the end. Oh, you know, we got we got look, we got the two pods. It's the metal voice festival. That's what it's coming down to. How about we do the Todd and the Todd tour and we each go out with our solo? The two Todd's. That's a great. That's a great idea. That's a cool. So what about what about touring? I mean, OK, all right, COVID-19. But things are easing up. What do you think? Well, I know in talking to Kurt, you know, we the music, we were kind of going for like a strip down kind of just sound like a rock band approach. So there's not tons of like keyboards and layers and layers on guitars and all that. And so I really think it would. I think it would present itself well live. Like I think it would translate well to the live. And I know Kurt's excited about it. You know, we're both just excited about the music because it has a lot of great energy to it. And we would love to play some shows. I think obviously COVID is one factor, but ultimately it comes down to like do people even give a shit and want to hear me? You know what I mean? Because I'm not like I'm not Rob Halford or anything where people know who I am that well. So it's just a matter of would I even get all the book shows? And I'd probably have to open up for somebody or something. But it's OK. That's all right. No, I'm saying it would be OK. But I'm saying I just don't think there would be enough draw with the Todd Michael Hall name. So I don't know that I'll be. I don't know I'll be touring. I'd love to. I'd love to play. Quiet fans will support you. I mean, that's the thing. If anything, we're a loyal throng, right? So you'll you'll get, you know, support from the metal community. That's for sure. Well, David, David Marshall saying I want to see the two Todd's tour in Victoria, BC, Canada. Yes, please. I'd love to. I'd love to. I mean, the promoter and. But I can do the cheap version. We'll just go out with like an acoustic guitar and like one of those little. Yes, yes. We're spoken word spoken word. Yeah. No, I'm not going to really sing this album. I'm just going to speak this album. Yeah, no doubt. All right. Gabriel saying Kurt is a great songwriter. Just have to hear Presto Ballet and then Metal Church to appreciate how good he is. True. That's very true. Kurt is an incredible songwriter and and maybe like you. You know, he had. He's been doing metal for so long that changing lanes sometimes there's just more ideas there. You know. Oh, yeah. He told me as much, you know, that basically, you know, I mean, love's heavy metal, but you know, he told me well, when I pick up a guitar and just start playing, you know, these are the kind of risks that come out of me. So this is really natural for him, this this type of music. And and and I think it is true. I mean, you know, there is some truth to be saying when I'm in riot, I'm in a certain box, if you will. And and this opens a door for you to just try something else. And really, that's what it is. I mean, that's that's what I wanted for my solo album. I just wanted something different from the other stuff I was doing for me to produce something and, you know, have it sound like riot would, in my mind, it would be ridiculous because there are already in riot right. Why would I want to do that? Yeah. And it's, you know, I think riot fans will like it, will like the record because it sounds like the singer of riot, but it sounds like the singer of riot singing something different. And again, I'll tell our riot followers out there. Like you'll you guys will like this record, you know, like most most of the metal that we love is rooted in other things. And I think if you are into kind of the seventies and eighties scene and even some of the stuff that came out of the nineties, I think you'll really like this record. So definitely something for the riot fans. But it's probably probably the and just to tell everybody, like you just released your video today. That's your your new video, right? Yeah. Well, I just released another one today for running after you. Running after you. That's what I mean. Yeah. You released it today. And you know what I like? Where are you going? You're going to pee break? My wife is bothering me. Oh, OK. Sorry. Just take Jimmy. No, it's OK. Don't worry. Take your time. We're here. Live without a net. Yeah, it's OK. There we go. Interesting. So folks, check out the record. Again, if you're a riot fan or even if you're not a riot fan, it's a good seventies and eighties rock record that I think. Is that your office, Todd? This is my office and my daughter has a soccer game. And it starts at seven. But my wife had to take another daughter to soccer practice. And she needed tickets for the game that I had to print out because of COVID you have to buy the tickets online. You can't buy them there. So yeah, she just showed up. Overcome the metal voice. Do you get the real experience? Yeah, there you go. It was funny. We were talking to Max Norman and Max Norman goes, hold on, fellas. And he went for a pee break and he came back. I'm surprised I'm not doing that. I'm getting older, you know. But no, I think, you know, I did see, you know, talking about the riot connection and stuff. Somebody posted, hey, this sounds more riot than riot five. And I mean, I don't know. I mean, in the sense like the old school riot. Yeah, maybe a little bit, but not really. I mean, old school riot. You know, I think what made Mark Reali kind of unique and I'm no expert on the topic. Don't get me wrong, but I love all the old stuff. Is that he played rock, but he played it fast. I mean, I've been trying to learn how to play electric guitar this year because I've played acoustic for many years. And man, when you try to play those, they're just too fast for me. A lot of these songs, you know. And so I think that's kind of what made riot kind of unique. In the in the way they are. And I don't know if that's really the case with, although Kurt was laughing at me because that song of ours let loose tonight, you know, the beginning is like, and I'm sitting there, I had to slow it down to like 65% speed to be able to try to play it on the guitar. And I still can't play it at full speed. And I've got, I'm telling my Kurt, that's so fast. And he was laughing. And he's like, I'm not a fast guitar player. I guess he's thinking of Inge Malmsteen or something. I don't run. Running after you is the video that you released today. And you know what I liked about it? You know what? I love when video videographers, I guess, are directors. They take a simple idea and you're just walking, but they kind of, you could see it's not like a major production, but he's done it so well that it's so cool to watch because he uses the slow motion effect that Weezer did. You sort of speed it up and you slow it down and then you get that effect of its slow motion, but it's not. Yeah. You're losing some frames. I think it's a 24 frame thing. It's funny that you mentioned that because, you know, I really wanted professional videos, you know, for this. And so I worked with Jamie Baker who actually is a singer for the band Roxanne and he's the, Jamie Brown, excuse me, who's a singer for Roxanne and he's the one that, you know, produced the two videos for me. I flew out to LA for him and I think the first two videos turned out great. But yeah, this other one, I don't know, I just had an idea and I actually stole the idea from a kid on The Voice, this guy I know on The Voice. He did one like that and he explained to me how to do it. And yeah, it was actually quite funny filming it and believe it or not, my daughter filmed it and my other little daughter held onto her shirt so that she could walk her backwards, not run into stuff. You can actually, if you look carefully at the store front where there's a glass, you can actually see them walking. Yeah. Yeah. I noticed these things. There's a spot where the glass angles and you can see them holding the camera and walking with me. So people watched a video just to see them film in the background. It's like a little Easter egg and the, well, what was funny though is that when I filmed it, yeah, I did. I doubled the speed of the music and then I sang along to it and then chopped it in half to run it, the video in half to then put it to the real music and I'm telling you, trying to say, I had to practice it quite a few times because of it. Because then when you pull it back to 30 frames a second, then it's in sync but it's slow motion. Yeah. Yeah. So it had that kind of need and I didn't know, I didn't know if the slow mo would be a bad thing because the song is a little bit longer and it's about, kind of ballad even though it's up temple and I didn't know if that would make people feel like, oh, this video is so long, you know, the slow mo effect but I don't know. It's an emotional song so I think it's tied in well and I like the way you bookended your brother kind of in the video where you kind of, the video starts with a kind of a silent moment with I guess your brother and you on stage early on and then ends with your brother as well, you know, on his motorcycle. So I thought that was really nice. Yeah. You know, I specifically wrote a song on my album, one of the bonus songs, you know, was written for John and to see you on the other side but then, on the other side and then, but after I listened to running after you quite a few times, you know, I think when I wrote the lyrics, I was thinking a little more along the lines of, you know, of a female as being the counterpart and a female and a girlfriend thing but then the more I thought about it, you know, my older brother, I was kind of like this little kid chasing after him for a lot of my life and so it started to feel really appropriate and I don't know if you caught it but the store I was looking into Yeah, I noticed that. I noticed that. Yeah. Your brother, he passed away, what, a few years ago? Yeah, just last year, actually. Yeah, I remember that. March night, yep. Well, we're sorry for that but the video was a nice, you know, a nice tribute, I have to say, you know, and it sounds like it just came about kind of almost by accident that it wound up being a tribute to him. Yeah, I just, you know, I think for me, you know, necessity is the mother of invention, like, I'm not good at making videos and I didn't have a budget for that video. So I just, you know, I believe we just went out one afternoon. I told my daughter and her boyfriend and my other daughter, I'm like, I need you to film a video and my oldest daughter, she's graduating this year, it's May 18 and June and she's like, deathly afraid of any sort of attention whatsoever. So for her to be out in public doing that and it was kind of funny, but yeah, it was, but yeah, it was one of those one-takers. Actually, Todd, I don't know if you know this or not but your video for Riot 5, we don't want, take me back, right? It was take me back. Yeah. My son edited that one. Oh, did he? Yeah. Oh, wow. Just, you did a good job. Didn't he just all the, the in and out? Yeah. What we're saying is next time we're going to get my kids to do something. Yeah. Please do. No, we got your kids in the Thor. I need all the help I can get, you know. It's tough. You know, the thing is, I mean, it takes a lot of money to put on an album and, and, you know, you know, people don't always buy it so much. So, I mean, it's hard, you know, you know, for me, I don't, I'm in a blessed spot where I don't need to make money for music, you know, you know, so, so it's not obviously that critical for me, but there's the, the measuring stick, you know, the thing is, you know, you tend to measure like, well, how many views did I get? And, and how many albums you sell that just kind of one of those measuring sticks that let you know if you reach people. I mean, at this stage for me, like, so I've just had, I've had albums and bands and things that have kind of been the soundtrack of my life through various stages. And they're not all heavy metal even, you know, I mentioned Counting Crows earlier, you know, I had an album of theirs, I absolutely love them. And, you know, for me, I've gotten such joy in my life through music that way. And at this point, that's really just what I want to try to, I had this fantasy that I could write an album, write a song or whatever that's really meaningful and kind of the soundtrack of someone's life and brings them joy like music's brought me. I mean, really, that's my goal, ultimately, you know, so if I can have something be really successful and I didn't, like, I always say, like, if I could sell a million albums but not really make any money with it, I'd be okay. The only caveat on that is, I wouldn't want someone else to be screwing me and making the money, you know what I mean? But like, like, if I wrote a song and it just went out on the internet and everybody loved it and it was getting quite, you know, but I mean, what I'm talking is like, okay, so I've been to India a lot, right, because my wife's from there, so I've been there 20 times and I've also been to Kathmandu and Nepal and there's this beautiful area, Tamelle, it's like a little labyrinth and you walk around these shops and every now and then they have these music shops and it's kind of humorous because everything in it is all bootleg. But when you walk by one of these shops, like, I remember hearing like, Dustin the Wind cranking out or whatever, a Bon Jovi song or something like that. And it's like, you know, when you are on another part of the world and you're hearing a song that's 30 years old and people are still playing it, I mean, that's pretty amazing. And I'm sure I'll never probably get to that level but that's the type of thing that I would aspire to was that notion that you write a song that just 30 years later people still would play. Transense, transense. Do you know how you sell a million albums? You record a million albums. Yeah, probably. That's what Thor always tells me, he goes, I could sell a million albums. If I could record a million albums, I could sell a million albums. Yeah, I'd probably have to sell, you know, what, 100,000, or if I record 100,000, maybe I could. Yes, 100,000 is doable. So you have to start now. So is there anything else you want to talk about in regards to the new album? It's out now, so people can hear if they want. What, describe it in like a sentence. What you're getting? I mean, we've talked about pretty much the whole overall picture of it. But what are you getting? I think the shortest sweetest way I could say it is just feel good rock. I mean, it's not, I mean, I think there's some twinges of heavy metal in it, but I think it's probably more in the rock or hard rock category. And it, I think overall, the album's pretty uplifting. I mean, God, I mean, I even, I wasn't even sure on the song, the other, the other side that I wrote for my brother, because really the topic about him dying is kind of depressing. But the song itself is very positive upbeat. So I kind of wonder was it inappropriate to, to write a, you know, you know, song of him that has a positive feel to it. But so yeah, I think overall, it's a positive vibe. So yeah, if you're looking for something to kind of, you're on your angry mood, maybe you're looking for negative, forget about it. Yeah, but I mean, I think there's a mixture. You know, there's a need for all of it. I mean, I have days like that where I just want to put something mellow in and, and, and be in my own misery. And then there's days I want to roll the windows down, like you said, parent and, and enjoy it. You know, and I think that's what this is. It's parent, I think stayed it real nicely. This is a summertime, you know, roll the windows down, crank it up, kind of help them. Yeah, it is. It's a little strange. Guys, I said that the Todd offline, but just, I was driving in my car today, listened to the record and the sun was coming out. And forget if you have the lyric sheet in front of you. Like I wasn't, I didn't have any lyrics in front of me. I just had the music and it put me in a great mood. So if people are looking for a summertime record to put them in a great mood that maybe takes them back to a moment in time, I think this is a really great record for that. So I think, you know, if anyone needs a little pick me up or anyone just wants to keep feeling good, I'd say put on, you know, Todd's new record. And I think you'll really have a good day probably so it'll make you feel good. That's that's how I felt. So isn't it amazing how our moods change with the seasons? Oh, yeah. I mean, for sure. I mean, last year for sure was definitely a struggle. And then this year, I mean, I'm frustrated this year because I thought, you know, things, okay, well, this is, you know, with the calendar, turn the funny thing is just the calendar turning in 2021. It was like all sudden you feel better. But now now it's like, I don't trying to run a factory. It's like orders started going up. So I thought, okay, maybe this is our chance. But now I don't know average people know it, but the the materials market is so screwed up right now. There's incredible price increases coming that the steel people broke contracts with us and they're raising the price of stainless steel 30% July 1st, whether we like it or not. And I mean, you know, and we are running out of stuff. We're running out of steel. We're running out of compressors. I mean, people can't get people to show up for work in order to make stuff in order to send us our stuff. Yet everybody's demanding in hazard. I mean, is a very crazy market right now. I don't I don't know I don't know how much people realize it, but things are really going on. What's going on? What's going on? And the next record might not be as happy for us. So yeah, that's a depressing one. Yeah, I might have to that's a suicide job. But I mean, even shipping, like people don't not everybody realizes it, but like shipping containers, what used to be $900 for shipping container is now like $4,300 because there was so much product that flew that came from China into the U.S. And I'm not bashing China, but when people got stuck at home, they bought a bunch of stuff online. A lot of that crap from online comes from overseas. So the shipping lanes, it's really expensive to step. So when the ship, when the containers and the ships get here, rather than load up something in a port in the U.S., because they don't get as much to go from the U.S. to there, they just turn right around and go home. And so I know I read some article that said like there's piles and piles of apples somewhere and like Washington or wherever. They can't get the apples to ship back out to Asia and overseas because they won't even pick them up because they can't make enough money in that. They just turn around and go home. I mean, this is how screwed up. It is like you can't get product ship. You can't get stuff. And so between labor shortages and all this kind, it's a very crazy time. It's a very, very weird time. It's okay. Because Canada, we have a lot of commodities here and you could just buy them up. And I think that's why the Canadian dollar is actually getting stronger because commodities and the demand for commodities is increasing globally, at least in North America. I think there are weird, you know, the politicians, you know, I think they all certainly mean well, but there are these unantended. No, they don't. Who are you talking about? I tried to be nice, you know, but there are these unintended consequences, you know, and like one thing, like I get it, I think we are a manufacturer and manufacturing is dying in the U.S. I mean, or there's elements of that are dying. So it's very important to the U.S. that we have manufacturing. People realize that when they're like, wow, we don't even make medical surgical masks here in the U.S. We don't make microchips here in the U.S. We don't make medicines, antibiotics, things here in the U.S. Well, no, we don't. You know, so, you know, so manufacturing is really important. It's also important because you have all these tertiary jobs associated with like we buy steel from the U.S. So we, we employ steel workers, U.S. steel workers and the products that we make. So all those things happen. So I believe in U.S. manufacturing. So like when they pass tariffs on steel to protect the U.S. industry, I liked it, right? I think that's cool because I want to protect industry, but the problem is is when there's shortages now, every now and then it gets turned on its here. So the steel industry's kind of using that tariff to say, oh, I guess we'll scooch the price up a little bit now and blah, blah, blah. So now they're actually begging for the government to get rid of the tariff because they want to then bring in foreign stainless because there's not enough supply here in the U.S. It's just, it's there's, I'm sure, I don't know, man, like I said, as much as we want to teach politicians and everybody else, it's very complicated and I definitely, I definitely don't have been seized. You know, I'm all for protectionism, you know, made in Canada, made in the U.S. It's important to keep people employed, but I get what you're saying, but if you close those borders and there are shortages, like you said, then you kind of screw yourself in a way. On one hand, I'm definitely a free market guy, but on the other hand, you have to be careful in some situations. I would say the fact that we don't make any antibiotics here in the U.S. is scary. I mean, we don't make any, we don't make any vaccines in Canada. So we are at the mercy of everyone else. Well, even, even microchips, like we can't even make like a fighter jet or something because we don't make microchips here in the U.S. So, but I mean, even something as simple as antibiotics, if you, like, I'm not saying China would, but if they decided that they didn't want to sell us antibiotics anymore, we'd be, we wouldn't have any and people would be dying of, you know, you know, whatever, normal infections. So that sort of thing is scary. So I think there's certain crucial industries that you probably, you know, and I don't necessarily mean military. I just mean, you know, antibiotics isn't really a military thing. You know. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good topic. You know, we've turned it into geopolitics, politics. Yeah. We talked about geopolitical discussion. Now everybody knows what I do for a living, rather, right? This is why it takes so long to get albums out because I'm working most of the time. So I think that's pretty much it. Oh, Riot 5. So what's going on there? We have a bunch of songs written like I think 14 or 15. I've demoed out vocals on them all and everything. So right now we're just in that going to do the final recording on everything. I don't have the final music. I think Mike and Nick are finishing up some guitars. And when that happens, they're going to send me some some tracks on which to put the vocals. You know, the final vocals. I really think, you know, well, I don't think I know it. You know, Mike and Donnie, they really want to be all play a show. I mean, let's face it, it takes a lot of work to put an album together and they didn't want to put an album together and then not be able to tour and support it. So in a way, they kind of hit the pause button like, all right, well, we're not going to kill ourselves getting this album done. You know, and then you get busy. You know, we're all busy people that have to, you know, make a living. And especially, you know, with with Mike and doing guitars, I know Mike, a lot of his living comes from playing out, you know, in like a BG's tribute band and cover tune band, stuff like that. And so, I mean, that had hurt a lot. You know, so he was scrambling around doing other things to try to make money and stuff. So it's kind of hard to focus on recording, I think, too. Do you hope you guys can get out there? You know, I don't know if there's going to be a 2021 festival circuit in Europe, but you guys are always pretty present on the European festival. So are you hoping for 2022 that you can kind of get out there on the festival circuit again? Yeah, definitely. I mean, we had, you know, usually what happens for us is we'll get a couple of festivals that'll serve us like anchors and then we can book some shows around it. And that's what we had last year and they got rebooked this year. We had Bangerhead Festival in Germany and Rockfest Barcelona booked last year. They got rebooked this year and now I believe they're canceled this year and might be the next year, too. So that's the thinking. And we had a promoter over there, too, that was talking about us coming and doing a tour. And he wanted to do it in January, February of this year, but then he was like, all right, I guess scrap that. I guess it's going to be January, February next year. So there's definitely some desire to get back out there and play shows. We just have to see how it goes. I think there's going to be a flood of bands trying to get out there. And so I, you know, I think there's going to be a tidal wave. I mean, I guess it depends on the next three to four months. Yeah. If the vaccine is truly, you know, helping. And it seems like it's working so far. I mean, that's well, you definitely have shows starting up here. I mean, in the U.S. and in different areas. And you'll, you'll see, you know, like, because I didn't saw Queens right, because they had listed some shows that they were playing. And so you're seeing some stuff happening. I'm just kind of worried like the different variants will start popping up. And then we're all back indoors again. Right. And not enough people are vaccinated. So it's tough to do a tour. You know, if one state has this rule and the state next to it, it's a different rule state next to it. I mean, we look, not everyone knows the economics of touring, but the economics of touring is you probably got to do four, five, six shows a week, depending who you are to make your tour economically viable, which only works if you can do those shows in different states or provinces that will allow you to play. So that's, that's the thing at a capacity or close to it. I think there's a, there's a lot of, I mean, it depends too, because bands will try to swoop in and do a tour. And a lot of times that'll be like, say, a band from Europe or something. They'll come in and they'll try to do like a month where the show's here in the U.S. But a lot of your U.S. bands, they do weekend shows. Like they fly in, fly in and do Friday or they fly and do Saturday, especially when you get casino stuff, because casinos tend to pay pretty well. So there's a lot of that that happens, you know, because it's harder to book shows on a Monday, Tuesday, you know, whatever, because it's hard to get people to come out. So, but look at this. So, so Quebec and Ontario, the borders have been shut. Like we're talking about just imagine this, imagine Texas and New Mexico, I guess they border each other. Those borders were shut. So not only do we have the international border shut, but now we have inter-provincial border shut. So people who don't understand provinces, they're like states, basically you can't go from one state to the other. Unless it's essential work, unless you get a permit or something. Paris and might be New York and New Jersey, Quebec and Ontario are pretty codependent. So imagine if you couldn't go back and forth between New York and New Jersey. Yeah, yeah. So imagine starting a tour, investing in that tour, the promoters, of course, you know, fronting a lot of it. And suddenly you can't travel between states or you can't travel between provinces or you can't even go over the border. There are so many problems. Only Voivode contours Quebec-Omi, but like, but even within the province of Quebec, there are red regions and orange regions and green regions. You guys are screwed up up there. What the heck? We're still on curfew. It's 9.30. Yeah. That'll be home by 9.30. I think it's the vaccines rolling out pretty good. I personally, I don't keep up that much on it, but I mean, you know, I'm a little behind in my reading, you know, but I think they're getting to the point where the people that don't, haven't taken the vaccine here are the people that don't want to take it. Because I've read that there's about, you know, I could be wrong on the number about, but about 40% of people that don't want to take it for whatever reason. They either had COVID, don't feel like they need it, or they just, yeah, I don't, think of the flu. You know, a lot of people are like, well, why aren't you taking it? But there's a lot of, like, I don't take the flu shot every year. There's a lot of people, so maybe there's a lot of people who look at COVID that way. I ended up taking it because I wasn't, I wasn't really thrilled to take it right away, but I ended up taking it because the local university had opened up and they had extra shots left over and they were going to go to waste. And I was, and at the time, this was back in March, toward the end of March, I thought there was still a chance that Riot was going to play in the festivals and I thought, well, there's probably a mere requirement in order to travel to Europe that I have. Have you done two or just one? I've had both. You know, I had the poison. Oh, wow. Yeah, the US wills. We talked to, that's a topic whether they believe or don't, and they don't necessarily have to or want to divulge. They kind of understand for the nature of the work they do, if they want to do festivals, if they want to tour, if they want to be allowed in a venue, they might just need to. So it's kind of becomes kind of, yeah, I want to earn a living. I got to do this. And that's, that's the way I look at it. Yeah, I figured out I'll be required to anyway that. And, you know, if I ever want to go see my wife's family again, you know, in India, I mean, yeah, which is a whole other conversation about that. No one's, no one's going on vacations here anytime soon. Doesn't seem that way. Well, they did come out and said, I don't know if it was definitely a rule, but I thought the EU came out and said that it's going to be a requirement this summer, that if you want to travel there, you have to be show proof of vaccination. The number of the beast, you have to have, if you have the number of the beast, then you're okay to travel. Yeah, I glow. I glow in the dark now. I'm okay with the vaccine. It doesn't bother me. I mean, I never really did. I mean, you know, there's a little fear, like, oh God, I'm scared just a little bit because of all the sort of, I wouldn't call it fear. People are scared of things that seem to have passed quickly. Like, you know, typically it's not as fast tracked, so people are a little worried about that. It was pretty fast. Yeah. But I think we're, I think for myself, I'm okay with it. And, you know, I get it and I'm okay with it. So, but I think overall people will slow, look, my parents got it. They're like in their 80s, right? So, I mean. Yeah, I'm hoping that we don't start seeing this two tiered society where it's like, okay, if you have it, you can do this. If you don't, you can't. And they're even talking about that in New York. I just heard where there's two baseball stadiums where when you come in, they're going to ask you if you've been vaccinated or not and people that are vaccinated go to one area and people that aren't go to another. And like, that's just weird to me. I don't know. Yeah, I think that is weird. That is weird. All right. On that note, we don't want to get too, you got everything wrapped up. We keep getting wrapped up in this conversation. We just lost. We just lost all your people. What were we here for? We got the steel industry. What do we have the steel industry for? Screw this. I wanted to hear about metal. Yeah. Well, they got metal. They got the steel industry. They got the what's copying the American steel industry. So they got a bit of that. That's metal. Let me tell you something, Todd. I'll give you a breakdown of Montreal right now. Our bars are closed. Our restaurants are closed. It's just take out and our curfews at, I think, what are we? 9.30 now? 9.30 PM? Which is fine. I'm okay with it. I'm not screaming about it, but I'm just saying that's where we're at. Yeah. And the cases are coming down, so there's some good news there. That's good. You guys need to get open back up. My rep up there is going to have awful trouble selling any bar equipment if you guys can't open the bars. Yeah, yeah. There's going to be a lot of bankruptcies pretty soon. Yeah. Or they have been. You know. Okay. Here we go. Sonic healing to get you through the the agony of COVID-19 produced by Kurt van der Hoof, the Mel Church released. It was released on May the 7th. On Rat Pack Records. And of course, Todd Michael Hall. Thanks for being a guest. Hey, thank you for having me, guys. Thanks for joining us, Todd. We've been lobbying for about an hour now. Yeah, it's not hard to blab for an hour with me. I'll say that. So people are like, my god, shut him up. All right, man. Have yourself a wonderful day, and we will talk soon, my friend. And oh yeah, don't forget to visit Canada with Riot. I would love to. I'm hoping we get to actually. Yeah. This time come to Montreal. I had to drive to Toronto last time. I would love to. We haven't been able to get in Quebec, but I'd love to. Yeah. I don't think Riot has ever played Montreal. Ever. Maybe you can help us make that happen. Maybe I can make it true. We got a promoter buddy. We got Nick. I think he wanted to bring the band. So yeah, we might have a hookup. Well, I'll bet me and Todd Latour want to get up there. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we got to bring you guys over and get up there. The two Todd's. The two Todd tour. Two Todd tour. T2. T2. All right. Thank you guys.