 What the hell? Yeah, I don't know what that was. I accidentally hit the wrong button. It is what it is. Hey everyone Welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast season 2 episode 41 The month is just churning along. We're almost halfway through Halfway through halfway there the end of October next week Mario Wonder comes out so that's So I mean by the way, so it's like a bunch of other stuff sonic superstars and Spider-man 2 I think all those three come out in the next week sets. That's a lot of games It's a lot of games plus there's probably a bunch of other stuff I'm not even talking about coming out because who the hell knows Who the hell knows? I know Assassin's Creed mirage reason that came out So yeah, dude, October has been a big month for releases only to be probably topped by November that being said Hey guys doing much in the 10 of prime podcast Let's welcome all of our guests go around the room say what we've been playing lately and Who we are in case people don't know like who the heck is Nish quick pops? I have no idea I put in my children's milk From someone in high school who got her from Nesquik because Nish is like four letters of my first name And then he just put quick at the end and I was like why he's like Yeah, yeah, exactly and I only have I don't have the C. I just have the K. So yeah, just like Nesquik Yeah Yeah, hey guys, I'm Nish quick pops I talk about Nintendo and jrpgs on my channel mostly discussion videos not as much news But I talk about like big news stories I might I'm debating if I want to make a Zelda video about whatever we talk about today, but What if I've been playing a lot of games on? Like all three of the systems I have like ps5 PC We use which so for I've been playing Xenoblade X on and off because I don't think I'll ever complete that game but more like Importantly I've been trying to complete Final Fantasy 16, which I think I will complete the game by tomorrow I'm doing like the last couple side quests and then I'm just gonna do the final boss tomorrow And I'll be done with Final Fantasy 16 one of the big major releases of 2023 And then on to see if stars after that Continuing see if stars that took a massive break on that game That's what I've been up to Still haven't started to see a star is it just sitting there. It's really It's not what I thought it would be like, but I'll say this probably has my favorite OST of All of this year like though it's really amazing. It's really really good. I'll probably get me into it. Yeah The the gameplay is good. It reminds me of Mario and Luigi like the time-based like button prompts. That's really fun The story and narrative is good, but it's not as like when they kept saying Chrono Trigger inspired I was I kind of got my hopes a little too high, but it's it's still good. It's not like Not good or anything, but it's it's not like Chrono Trigger and what I've seen of the other like Similar Chrono Trigger inspired game chain decos. I think that is a little more plot and story driven but the OST in this game is fantastic and My favorite video game composer is a guest composer on it. Yes, Mr. Mitsuda So I love it so much because of that as well But he's only in like a handful of songs, but still a really awesome game. Yeah All right, Jake Randall. We've been playing lately bud I've pretty much only been playing for the last week and I've been playing a lot of it Pokemon heart gold on mine. Let's go classic. Yes Pokemon game. I just like that is up there. I play Miles Morales before spider-man 2 comes out and I Just can't pull myself away and like when I play Pokemon games I don't know how much everyone knows about IV training and EV training I do it with my starting team Which if you do it before you get to the endgame takes forever it takes like Eight hours to do you have a Pokemon 252 for one stat then knock out 252 other Pokemon for the second stat But you have to make sure you're knocking out the right Pokemon or it's gonna affect other stats You have to run from hundreds of battles as well to make sure you're getting the right ones Because it's not good early game grinding locations for the right stat But I like I just I'm obsessed with it. Like I get so into it. It's like I Know I love it I've almost got my whole team trains now and I do progress through the story as I train But I gotta get at least like two ready to go at the very beginning and I go through so I've got like four badges right now Obviously you can get 16 badges in that game But yeah, I'm just quick boys are using the items and the poker us to speed things up with No, so for the first few I didn't use any items and then You can trade for a machop when you get to Goldenrod where the third badges Yeah, and then that machop is holding a macho brace. So that cuts the training time in half You can't get the power the power items until you do the like the battle tower thing Yeah, when I used to EV train like in I don't know middle school like way way way back I I had a poker is Pokemon so I gave poker is to all my Pokemon and That boosts EVs and then I had those macho braces So I would our like it's a power item. So it's like the power and power wrist like yeah Yeah, those add for Okay, macho brace doubles it But so and the most Pokemon can have is three EVs give you but an early game They all have one so the macho brace doubles this will give you two But the power items add four and then there's like the energy drinks like the vitamin and the elixir and stuff that can Yeah, the vitamins add 10 AV 10 EVs each We're like we're nerder not way too hard on Pokemon right now, but I love it. I love it, bro I understand everything you guys are talking about used to compete. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah, I can beat a lot. I can beat a lot too. So that's awesome. Jen for that. It was fun I used to go to regionals I've been to nationals a few times. Oh man. I know that nice. Yeah, I was I didn't actually participate in worlds But like I went I've got I've been I've done the last chance qualifier a couple times I've gone to like the penultimate or final round and then you know, I'll miss a fire blast and get hacked That's usually what happens, but why are you running fire blast? All right? All right, I'm referring to the era. So, you know, so I'm kind of dating myself remember Pokemon X and Y Yeah, of course. So I'm a Charizard fan. So I was like, listen, I know Kangas gone is better, but I'm trying one with Charizard. So Actually a Charizard why so overheat would OHKO make a Kangas con But if you missed you dot you lose so or if you lose a speed tie you lose. So You know, I missed an overheat. I remember Caller power Charizard in the sun holding a life orb and just run claims or 100% accurate. Oh, well, the thing is Um it for Sword and shield I ran blast burn because a good Dynamax. Yeah, and then it's 100% accurate. Oh, yeah, it's so good. So good solar Blastburn Yeah, there's like three percent of the audience right now that is loving this Yeah, I actually tried out a strategy. I forget the name That there's the rock pokemon that has on like this ability that ups the offense of your of your of ally What's it? It's like the it looks like stonehenge Oh, uh stonejourner Yes, I I tried out stern stonejourner with Charizard So you set the sun versus nine tails or torcal switch and torch stonejourner to up his offense even more and just No, stonejourner ups his defense Is that what it did? No, it's not. Isn't that um a friend guard? That's what stonejourner has well. No, he has a that's that's Clefairy, right? Or Clefairy has it as well Stonejourner, I thought I had there isn't a billy. I thought it improved offense power spot. Yeah, it is. It's like it spots you Wait stonejourner has that stonejourner has power spot. Oh, okay I was actually actually I was wrong about 20 percent. It's 30 percent after google it That's okay. Yeah friend guard though friend guard follow me. Yeah All right, we should stop and talk All right, sorry What are you all right? Oh wait, you said you want you want second all right So I don't you start were you playing lately cars? You just that's what you said Well, I think this is actually a good follow-up um to discussing pokemon because Uh, I've been playing yugioh Oh Yeah Right it's it's a 2023 in case you didn't know but uh, so So like I entered like a little bit of like, um I play with my brother and my friend, right? So we each got a structure deck and we we made a an agreement to not like get extra cards We just played we got like the structure deck each three times This is this is the card game, right? But it'll get become relevant in a moment And so we are just kind of like trying to make the best deck possible with the cards we have And then we're gonna have a little tournament and based off how we well how well we do in the tournament We'll decide how many cards you can add to your deck afterwards to kind of continue to build on them but anyways So I've been getting more to yugioh lately to kind of researching cards and stuff and then yesterday Or was the day before I downloaded um poke. I'm not pokemon a yugioh master duel So it's kind of like you can play the card game for free And like earn more cards and play online and stuff On switch on any platform. Actually it's pretty cool So nice. So I started playing outside of still tears of the kingdom. So Awesome, it is fun. It's fun If you like yugioh Man, I'm so much of a nerd that I out nerded the nerds each I'm just gonna wait till Nate starts talking and say something. I'm founded out how nerdy I am Oh quick quick reminder that uh, if you have any questions chat You can actually submit them to the show with the super chat and we'll go over all of them at the end of the show So I actually also have played dungeons and dragons Before only a couple times though. I haven't I haven't like done it a lot. I want to play it more though I've never played quidditch though. So I'm not I'm not full nerd I'm gonna shut up After that, I'm not sure I have anything to add other than uh, Do you sound like the button? Dude, I sound like what I sound like. This is my real voice. I use a voice changer You sound like the man on enzeno blade x andress, you know what I'm talking about Nate in that voice ask ask andres, um if he's attracted to me Andress Are you attracted to Jake? Oh, he looks embarrassed I don't want to say no because that would be hurt his feelings I already told you what I've been playing lately I can't hear snap because you sound like we bring up you Not everything's about you andress yugio yugio This was a podcast record. I stopped talking for 15 minutes It's my turn now I played nothing moving on I said Literally played no I played one game. I'm adding and that doesn't even count as a game. You sound much better now Yeah Kind of nasally now. I don't know if I like it I thought you sounded like a little bitch before No, no, no, no, no You don't make fun of me. I am simply the best All right. Now you're intimidating me. Please. Please. Please All right, I have to shut him up. He was about to he's about to go off a little little too Little too too early in the podcast. We drop enough bombs there simply the best Um, I did be worn already. So, you know, yeah, but that's not the same. That's literally that's that's cable access You can say that on cable. Oh, you're no, yeah bastard. You can say bastard You can say bastard. You can say ass and you can say bitch like those And dingus, but that's not a curse word. That's not even a curse word anyways topic one This is just sort of a checking in because you know what we're A little a smidge over a week away from aria wonder coming out Sort of weird because we have a podcast on the 19th, which is like you could play the game like the night of the 19th But also we're not going to be we're actually going to do an impressions podcast where we're actually playing it together the following week But uh, which is cool because you know, we've never actually done that That's something that uh, because we usually don't when we do impressions on games on the on the podcast Seems to always be single player games like zelda not multiplayer games Or multiplayer capable games but uh As andress is not different. See so see he's even worse. He takes the headphones off and walks away I at least was aware there was talking going on because I could hear some garbally good in the background about pokemon and yuyo Anyways, uh mario wonder so Like there's been so much marketing for this game right so much marketing How are we feeling about mario wonder right now about a week and a half out? Oh question a question first when this quick you can take it. Um, I'm just wondering did anyone play the demo? No, no, I did not I know people who have played the demo. I've talked to some people who have I do not have a driver Yeah, you can go to any target and play it play it now if you want the demo It's that target some game stops some best buys. Yeah Yeah, they've opened it up to best buy and another retailer Don't remember if it was walmart or something, but yeah target and best buy have it. Um, it's it's looking pretty good It's looking good with the demo Previews that come out too as well. I think like nintendo life was saying it is like the most 3d 3d mario a 2d mario game has felt supposedly I don't know what they mean by that. Yeah, they had the final previews dropped this week, which were I couldn't even find the negative one. They were all just stupidly glowing. I think this could be like a I could have ever fallen and I was hyped for it already Yeah, I brought ruby over because a few people were asking. Yeah, there was there was some demand in the chat I understand ruby's more important than me. It's cool. Um, I will say Why don't ruby camera some stream? It's cool. Well, we'll do it. It's funny I'll say this real quick about mario wonder. This might be Blasphemous sacrilege, whatever. I don't think I'll play it at launch, but I'll play it eventually Get out of here. Yeah, I know Spider-man too, man. Yes. Get out of here Spider-man. Well, jake is saying the first thing with mario wonder is together on the show I have a spider-man poster here. Spider-man funk over there like spider-man is the day after it comes out I love spider-man before but like I I don't know when I'll get a chance to play mario wonder because like This year itself is just packed with games, but spider-man takes priority mario wonder is the game. I'm waiting Use the thing a game like mario wonder based on the reviews. I'm reading like you guys have said some stuff already I'm also hearing it's like is people the same feel Um that were around when super mario world came out for the super A game like that is a palette cleanser and you can play that while you're playing another game Yeah, like just like play a play a level every you know what I mean like before you start your regular gaming session Or maybe at the end Um and I and I do that with mar with 2d mario games already Especially using like Nintendo switch online like going back to some of those like literally super mario world or you know the The original trilogy Um, so and I I did that with like the ds like new super mario brothers um, so I can It's a really good game to play while you're still tackling your backlog and playing other games, especially like Unisquik. Um, yeah You're playing all those rpgs. Yeah, it's really A good type of game to break those up. Yeah, especially handheld on switch Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so i'm gonna vehemently disagree Um, I would say that 2d mario has become that because 2d mario hasn't been good since super mario world But I I when you have one that's mario world. Yeah, but you're talking about super mario world today You're talking about the super mario world today. You're not talking about a back in the day That was the only game you played Tomorrow or back in the day was like mario See at that time play any mario game all at once, but I like to use them as paletonsers And that's that's fine. No, that makes sense. That's fine. I I think you're wrong. That's okay Bro, i'll put mario one every hour wrong. That's how I like to play them. Yes. Yes It's not I'm not I finished my point Yeah, I'll finish my point You're gonna disagree and that's totally fine because it's about your personal way Hold on. Hold on before you finish your point. It's not that I disagree I agree that you like to play him like that and I like to play him like the way I like to play him That's all I just hate your opinions That's okay No, what I was trying to say what I was trying to say is When a special mario game comes along You know it when you play it and you set everything down to finish it. That's what happens Um, and 2d mario hasn't been that in a long time Pretty much since mario 64 came out because a lot of the focus of all the creativity Went towards the 3d mario games You know like you might play the size really mario games as a palette cleanser Would you play mario odyssey as a palette cleanser or did you play it? I would play a 3d mario as a palette cleanser if it had courses if it had that format of five minute courses So how about 3d world or 10 minute course? Yes, exactly. Yeah okay mario galaxy Um, galaxy is a little like each of those star levels are a little bit The thing about galaxy though is that uh, I was obsessed with like a hundred I'm always whenever I play it. I have to hundred percent it So that makes me play like replay the courses over and over to like get stuff perfect when it's on the high I do that for every mario game. It's just on the wrong 2d mario has have those as well with the star coins and the yoshi coins as well I need to get all the blue The fact that uh The producer of the game who's been making mario since the very beginning was like I can't get the last badge I'm like, oh yeah I got a hundred percent this like how I like dude you would play you you literally help create every mario game It's ever existed what in your you can't get the last badge. Let's go Like I I I don't think it's going to be like the hardest mario game ever But I do think they're bringing some challenge to it and I think it's one of those. Um I understand the quick the quick pickup and play sessions. I have games that I do do that with But the problem that Oh, yeah, I said do do uh The problem what happens is when a game comes along that I would normally use as a palate cleanser like a The whole new super mario bro series I use as a palate cleanser. I do the same thing with 3d land and 3d world It was just palate cleansers. I played in between playing other Games I was enjoying uh to a greater degree, but just sometimes needed a break so I'd switch Uh, but when I played world back in the day That was the last time a sides rolling mario game Demanded my attention you completed one stage you couldn't wait to play the next one You didn't want to go play anything else You wanted to go to that next stage because it was that well, you like the fun was that was just there you couldn't Help it and then you find out there's all these things you can collect and all these ultimate routes And then you're like, oh shit. I got to go back and figure out all of that You can get the flutes and you know do all that crazy stuff back and like the the uh That was my part of this three So it was like two two games in a row that did that for me and then obviously sides rolling mario sort of fell off Um, but with this game and again, here's the thing when I say jake's wrong. He's not wrong for himself You're never wrong for yourself. You play you play games. Yeah. Yeah I was just disagreeing with like being a palate cleanser if Yeah, if this game slaps the way world did for me back in the day Like dude, I can't play anything else like I will literally finish this before I start spider-man And what's funny is neither one of them are going to be super long games Yeah, probably the 20 hours to beat each of them. Yeah, well, I'm gonna platinum spider-man, which I think is more 40 plus, but um Reviewers are saying 25 26. Yeah That's if you already got 40 for a lot of reviewers and I actually know someone that has it too but Jake which game are you playing for regardless? I I I see what you're saying and I agree with you. Um, when I Initially made that statement. I was you know, it was in context. I was talking to uh Nish quick about the problem of just let me be the day. It's okay. Let me be a day. No, no, no, no Let me finish my point. Um I'm a dick. I can't finish There was more there's when there's so many games out that are that quality You want to play and you have to pick and choose Sometimes you can fit more in by using one of them as a palate cleanser even though it's it's worth it on its own And all of the games that are coming out That's a good one to use. Yeah, that makes sense And that's a way you can play it while you're still playing spider-man 2 Or a big rpg or whatever That's like Mets, I guess Sonic superstars will probably be that game for me when I'm playing spider-man. Yeah Just to be honest, I'll probably buy it after because I'm I have spider-man and already odyssey pre-order for day one So all of those but I know I don't see pre-order for day one I'm also a nintendo youtuber. So I sort of have to focus on mario anyways, but right that makes sense Yeah, but but here's the thing. I don't I covered news like I don't make a lot of discussion topics So actually I don't technically have to play it at all Uh, but I want to and I really want to play spider-man as well But this is like every time they market this game because the marketing has been going insane. They are marketing this game Amazingly well, they're they're treating it like it is the next really big mario game Um, but then all the previews come out And you're hearing words Frost around like game of the year contender By the people reviewing the games right now that are playing it right now to review in their previews They're like this is a game of the year contender and you're just like what does that even mean at this one? How many amazing games have come out this year and we're talking about a side-scrolling mario game Possibly being one of the best What do you think the metacritic score is going to be if you guys had to I think it'll be hired in spider-man Okay I think it'll be in like the I think it'll break 90. I think it'll be a low. I think it'll break 90 as well And I think it'll be like 91 92 ish. I think spider-man is going to be like 90 maybe 91 Okay That would be the highest rated yet the previous game up on my podcast. I think it will be the highest rated for sure I was I was thinking it might hit a might hit 90 or 89. I don't I don't have to get Yeah, I agree with 90. We'll bet right there. Will that be the first? No, no, no, it's gotta work. I'm taking here. My brother's got this is 93 wasn't it or 94 I was going to say we'll be the first ps5 like exclusive to hit 90 No, it'll be the first ps5 exclusive because gotta war wasn't ps5 exclusive Yeah, final point 16 had 88. Yeah 87, I think it dropped. Oh, it dropped down to put. Oh Sorry to people who think it's gonna win game of the year. It's it's probably not It'll be nominated, but it's not it's not winning I'm gonna say that I predicted when I was a week or so ago That my yeah, we were talking about right. Um, I think I predicted a 91 It but the thing is brandon and I were we were looking at other 2d games And how they rated. Yeah, right like if mario wonder hits a 91 It's gonna be I think it'll only be like have a lesser score than hades As far as 2d games go on metacritic Like even metroid dread Is it 88? What did celeste get again? I I listen to I've exclusive right. Oh no, it is on ps4. Yeah got a war is on ps4 So less is up there. Spider-man could be the highest rated Um exclusive playstation 5 game so far Because return old if I remember correctly didn't break 98 It was a high 80 game. I think right. So demon souls was I oh, okay. Okay. I mean score wise Maybe I'm a little homerish on this the way they're talking about it. I feel like this is going to be like a 93 Okay, I could see that for sure. Yeah, I just to go over maybe even higher The the higher But they're talking more lonely about this and they did 3d world back in the day and that's a 93 So here's the top metacritic scores for for nintendo switch mario odyssey and breath while they're at 97 Then there's this house of something. Oh that yeah 96 tears of the kingdom 96 tetris effect 94 persona Um, it's the it's not showing me the title, but I think it's the Deluxe edition. Yeah, that's at a 94 primary master that at 94. It's number seven Smash ult apparently is at a 93 undertale That that's a 2d game. That's at number nine. Hades Is also is that is the number 10 ory? So undertale hades ory are all 2d games and they're in the top 11 um Celeste is actually top 15 at 92. Okay, so You know if mario wonder I think it'll be a better game than ory and celeste I don't know great games. Yeah, those are good. Yeah, and uh, so that's some top tier shit Yeah, so the thing was a great game of the year nominee, but I don't know the competition is a lot It's tough. It's it's really tough this year. It's tough. Especially with like armored core bald resgate um Yeah, what's crazy is that with all the incredible games coming out this year It's weird that there's really no competition for the game of the year Like it's it's balder's gate and I bet none of us have even played it and we still know it's that's what He's being serious Yeah, I know I am being serious You don't think june the kingdom stands a chance. No, they're both 96 I I I was telling like undress I was telling you like balder's game is It's I'm not saying it's not a good game, but you're gonna say it's not it's not even a competition I think I think there is a competition, but I don't think it's a close competition. Yeah, why so so why It's gonna happen. We're gonna have our game of the year betting special and we already know what he's picking So For winter hopefully but but why is I just want to know why why I well Can I answer that or are we talking about it later, Nate? You can answer it All right. Well, again, I haven't played it and I 100 completed tears of the kingdom minus the corex seeds um, so for my for my personal taste it would be tears of the kingdom obviously, but just the discussed like the discourse the popularity And the sheer scope of the game like tears of the kingdom is a huge game massive in scope but it's nothing like 100 percent completing tears of the kingdom isn't even as long as The cut scenes in balder's gate three Yeah, and it has a lot of detail in its dialogue and its choices and its customization And the thing is it it is I I don't think it's like it's good though. It's not just like cut scenes on cut scenes The thing is um, here's the kingdom has like the open world Quality yeah, it's like a game. It's like I'd rather play a 10 hour game That's packed with like goodness than like a 50 hour, you know ubi soft assassin's creed but this is like That 100 plus hours where every hour is good If you like if you watch videos and do reviews, which I've done a little bit of and uh, that's why I really think that I think it's it's got it locked and I don't think The discourse on balder's gate three the positive discourse on balder's gate three is reminding me of Some of what people were saying about breath of the wild people were like, oh, I never could get into open world games I never could play a game like this, but breath of the wild has me hooked Yeah Is it's amazing, but it's already been done. It's not you had you had this point the other the other week andre says Breath of the wild was brand new You know, it broke all the molds Here's the kingdom doesn't have that balder's gate three does and that's that was a great point this week That's probably why have you played the prior balder's gate games at all? A little bit. I never beat them So there was a so the presumption is made that I haven't played vg3 I'm actually about five hours in which is nothing in that game Right, but it just feels very much like the old game so far It's just we haven't had a balder's gate game And I mean when did two come out? What's it been 20 years? So like it's been forever So does balder's gate three feel more like balder's gate two compared to how it tears the kingdom feels more like It feels it feels a lot like the rest of all the gate series It fits right in with what that series has always been. We just don't get them very often. Hey Nate But again, this is me with like a very early build very early in the game You know and not deep in I heard that like the first act might be the best act the third act of the game Actually is causing people some issues But I don't know how many reviewers even got Over here or Nate what you stepped away for a moment before it went live earlier And just quick and Jake and I were We're talking and we were they were they were talking about taking teams on a particular subject And I was like there's listen. There's no way Nate and I are in the same side. It never happens, but you know what? tonight We're on the same side Cheers buddy. Oh, wait. You got water. Hold on. We've got my water. Here we go This is actually I wanted the intake I don't even know what that is. I don't speak that language I'm drinking. I'm drinking. That's all right. Yeah. Anyways, um, no No, here's the thing I'm not far enough in the balgers gate three to give any sort of final determinations And it's absolutely everything I've wanted it to be as a fan of the series so far Um, and I hopefully will get enough hours in where I complete the main campaign at least I don't think I'm in 100 but there's just so much to do But it's it's interesting When this debate happens because you talk about like oh ballers gate three was such a big thing Ballers gate three was such a this it was such a that Uh, and it was sure twice because it came out on pc first and then playstation But also I I look at the grander scope of Um of everything like both games are rated 96 Baldur's gate three really isn't that shocking compared to the rest of the balgers gate series You know, it's only shocking if you've never played balder's gate before Um, it's not like a super revolutionary. It's just perfecting what they were already doing Which is what tears of the kingdom did the difference is six years versus 20 It's going to feel a lot fresher when you haven't had this experience in so long Um, that's just my my experience so by the way, I have no complaints about balgers gates It's like the perfect game so far five hours in Um, and this is just the build I have going right now. You can replay and do different builds and different classes and And I know someone who's on their third playthrough of the game. Yeah already So like I'm not at all insulting the game But like it was there was brought up like the the momentum of it and the popularity Baldur's gate three is no longer trending and tears of the kingdom is still trending every week So let me let me ask you one question pop up on tiktok. Yes, you one question clips keep popping up on tiktok So do you think that tears of the kingdom will be Baldur's gate three in game of the year voting. Yes Yeah What are we what are we betting? Oh What do you want to bet on bet and I saw we should the loser should have to do something on the podcast I don't know what well, that's fine. That's the only way you want to bet What's have all right I want to see a super chat $1 for a suggestion and if you have really two dollars you to type All right two dollars you type if you have a really good suggestion you don't have to you don't have to super chat We might miss it But oh man, I want to suggest you're crazy loser has to wear a flannel Yeah, and that's just saying that because he likes men and flannels. They'll listen to him We don't need to provide him when you're entirely and I wear flannels like every other day. So he's just yeah That's tough. I don't know. You should bet you make you should bet then I know I know yeah If if you win Nate, I'll wear a buckster. Is he on the podcast? You have one a t-shirt. We'll order, you know, a cheap t-shirt up amazon or whatever And we want to sell this one. Yes God damn it It'll be on the show when they're playing each other and I'll be like, you put it in your head in your head Oh god, fine team move better come through for me I Need my team move off the something shirt Um, I agree with you Jake though about it. It's it's a two-way race between tears of the kingdom and balder's gate. I think Well, um, no, Jake doesn't think it's a race. Yeah Yeah, I think it's down to you make you take this balder's gate. Yeah I just want to make it clear. But we're arguing here I'm not even trying to say yet that tears of the kingdom will or not win like that is that it's But I'm all I'm saying is that it's a debate. Jake is saying it's not even a debate. Am I correct? What I'm saying isn't played Basically, but one distinction I want to make is that I'm saying that it's not your feelings on it It's what people are gonna say Right. I'm saying it's concluded that balder's gate three will win I'm not saying there isn't arguments for tears of the kingdom or that it will get votes I'm not saying it won't get votes and I'm also saying that it would get my vote If I had one But I you're right. I do feel that it's already we can you can safely say for a gone conclusion What I meant to say was I agree with you my game of the year is tears of the kingdom But I think it will go to voters gate and What I'm saying is I feel like I already know it's going to balder's gate like I don't I It is closer to what they're saying as a hardcore as a hardcore nintendo and zelda fan who loves tears of the kingdom And yes tears of the kingdom is my game of the year Um, it's not really a debate mario wonder. I mean maybe mario wonder, but I doubt that I I do feel yeah, there's a lot of bias On this podcast because you guys consume so much nintendo Hold on before I just want to say something. Okay Tears of the kingdom Has very comparable views so it's a balder's gate and I found if I'm not mistaken tears the kingdom actually has a larger sample size Which I don't think p a lot of people really factor into it a larger sample size actually votes more a lot better for the score because It's you're opening yourself up more for aberrations and outliers which can drag down the score Um, so just think that's really taking into consideration. Correct, right 150 critical reviews versus 100 Having the same number The one with 150 that says a lot more Yeah, because that's 50 more opportunities for some to get someone to give the game a zero three six or seven And that will drag down The the numbers a lot. It's way it's way more weighted Right, because if you are if you're above average in tears of the kingdom or balder's gate reviews You're gonna give the game a 10 Right, but if you're below average you can give anything anything between a zero and an eight And you will drag down the score so that it's just more weighted in that way. That's that's how watch why Metacritic score is in general like if you see a 93 That's not like just a 93 right like because there will be sites that will give it a 95 and 98 and 89 like it varies Yeah, so I just want to put that out game game that sold the most. It's game of the year I know what I'm trying to tell you I understand but if If there are more critics that have reviewed tears of the kingdom than balder's gate and they have basically a same score Even though yes balder's gate. I think is a little bit higher overall, right, but they're still out of 96 and tears of the kingdom has sold more and While balder's gate has been talked about more recently it just came out There is this thing called recency bias tears of the kingdom has been out for longer and as net was suggesting earlier It's looking like now that balder's gate is kind of getting out of the honeymoon phase Will it still kind of maintain that level of conversation that makes you feel so confident That it's headed shoulders above tears of the kingdom for game of the year I think that's up for debate because balder's gate is a way more recent than tears of the kingdom I've also I'll also say this I talk to a lot of friends Like inside the nintendo community and honestly most of them are outside of the nintendo community Most of them don't even have switches don't play zelda or mario or anything And even the people who are in the nintendo community outside of the nintendo community just in general consensus A lot of them aren't saying tears of the kingdom is their game of the year and that like That's just an observation. I've seen I'm like, oh, it was tears of the kingdom. Not your game of the year. Why? What are you talking about? User score on that it's like 8.5 or something like that. What is balder gates user score? I don't remember. Let's see. But we have to remember this is this is irrelevant It is relevant because this is the gamers This is the actual gamers don't decide it the game is the kingdom user scores 8.5 review outlets We're talking about jeff kealy's the game awards. It's 100 percent decided by the argument of it if more if there's more reviews for a game And it has a higher chance that more people on the panel Have played tears of the kingdom the balder's game. That's basically what he's saying The actual gamers the ones that that matter. Yeah, I want to see how they voted It's 8.1 They do have an award for that. They have the player's choice award. Okay. What let them talk What was it one for tears of the kingdom versus 8.9 for balder's gate? Yeah, and it balder's gate has 300 000 steam reviews and has a 96 as well, right? Yeah, it's a 13 000 Giveer 13 000 user score user ratings with 8.9 for balder's gate Tears of the kingdom is 10 000 um Users ratings with 8.1. So tears of the kingdom is Jake I wanted to ask you this. Do you think it is as clear cut of a win for balder's gate As it was for elden ring versus god of war ragnarok last year Because I think i think elden ring was like a clear cut like Godward didn't stand a chance, but I think I think tears of the kingdom stands more of a chance. That's a great comparison I think that that year was a bigger gap than this year. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah So yes, that was way more clear cut than this year. I still think this year is clear cut But that's a good comparison to kind of gauge exactly how I feel about it because yeah, it's not as big a gap is that Yeah, elden ring was I'm trying to understand what your where your reasoning is for it to win game of the year like what what what is your logic for it I mean, it's everything. I've already said I don't have anything more to add. I mean, I think a direct sequel I'm not sure I really understood it because like With it being like well, like we brought up like user reviews Literally has nothing to do with the vote but nothing to do with the panel. That's not what I that's not what I brought up I we I Talked about you said it's a gap and it's in its game of the year, but game of the year And we always talked about how like the entire content of tears of the kingdom Doesn't even equal the cutscenes in balder's gate. I talked about how does that make the cutscenes better than the content in tears of the kingdom You did you not hear anything? I said I everything you're asking me So Because you haven't played balder's gate three. So you wouldn't even know you're making an argument answer the question Do you want me to answer the question or you want to talk? Okay, all right ahead so The entire playthrough time of balder's gate I I said this would you rather play a 10 hour game that's packed with good content start to finish or a 50 hour Ubisoft game That's boring you'd rather play to pack the content balder's gate is a longer game than tears of the kingdom But yet is packed with content And I was a little longer game and I know I know you disagree with this Uh tears of the kingdom isn't the new fresh thing like breath of the wild was and I think that's the big thing about it. It's not and I know that you disagree with that But it's so crazy to say a 20 year old game feels exactly the same as this New one that has more cutscenes than the other one ever had. It's it is the same cutscenes Cutscenes aren't new to gaming like that's not a new thing. Yes, but I'm talking you're talking about how like this is supposed to feel I don't know Cutscenes having cutscenes being like the driving force that aren't the points I said you like What you're doing is you're taking key words that I used in my argument And you're like, oh my god. He said the word cutscenes But cutscenes doesn't mean game of the year. What the heck like that's not you're not listening to what I'm saying You said the cutscenes of the game are longer than the entirety of tears of the kingdom. Those are your words That was one thing I said in the entire argument and you're like, but it's a but it's a factual argument That was that was part of it to build context But if the content but at the part to build the context is incorrect Then it's not really context is it are the cutscenes of balder's gate three not longer than the entire game of tears of the kingdom No That is incorrect Everyone open up your switches. Tell me what your play hours are in tears of the kingdom I'm more curious to know what the balder's gate cutscene is a subjective thing right And I'm not saying it's the cuts. It's like It's to complete ball. I'm saying a full playthrough of tears of the kingdom without 100 percenting Just the hours alone of the cutscenes in balder gate three. There's more now in one single In one single you will you will not experience all the cutscenes because yeah, many of them. They're all independent to choices Guys listen to this More cinematic dialogue than all three lord of the rings novels combined times three With 174 hours of cinematics the game's cutscenes will be over twice the length of the entire series game of thrones So, all right. Yeah, well, yeah, that's that's That's all I'm saying Okay, so your context is that there's 174 hours of cutscenes And that is that leads to the game being cleared got game of the year because That's not what I said and I'm I'm I'm done because that's not what I said You you said because it's it's a newer fresher experience I was just pointing out that it haven't that your only context. So that was 174 hours Oh, is it just there he goes easy. You might actually be mad I might have made jake run away You ran away too. So I don't really know Uh my pc crashed. Oh, okay This all happens when you talk about game of the year. It just gets a little heated It gets very very heated. I I want to ask you to specifically you to the nintendo sent like focused entirely 100 nintendo people Have you guys played anything outside like any new 2023 releases outside of nintendo like have you like zelda mario pikamins, you know blade fire emblem like nintendo's had a lot but What have you guys been a busy year? No, but like it's been a busier year outside of nintendo as well. So like What I I I know like Being a nintendo what I'm trying to say is that as an as a constant creator Who's trying to make it at the amount of work it takes On top of playing the nintendo games all the major nintendo games I have not had time to play other games outside of other platforms Not that I wouldn't want to I have not had the time to yeah So when I play a game, it's usually a game that I'm probably going to talk about in a video Okay, I'm not saying I'm not saying that there are games. I don't just play at my leisure I just talked about for 10 minutes about yugioh like I do but that's a that's a small investment, right? Like I've kind of I've continually put elden ring on the back burner But that's not a small investment. You know, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna start for the switch two hours Well, that's the thing like at this stage I'm kind of hoping the next year monster hunter resting before remake an elden ring Like my three the three like I keep talking about those games because I well one monster is unannounced yet But I mean we know it's coming. It's just a matter of one I thought it would be announced by now honestly, but I think they're waiting for switch two I think they're waiting for switch two. Yeah. Yeah. So like those are all third party games That I'm kind of hoping are on switch two and next year Yeah, and hopefully I hopefully I have time and resource to hire a secretary or something So I have time to play those games, but Yeah, um, I haven't played any major third parties this year. No Not anything new So there might be something I forgot about Mario wonder We would have stuck to that topic Sorry, I even mentioned that previous said it might be go to my bad The jake's computer crashed too, or did he? No, no, I'm pretty sure I made him mad and he dipped out Really, you know how like you and I will go back and forth sometimes we were having one of those moments And he just peaced out. So I I'm not so sure he's coming back. I could text him But I he's actually if he's actually upset at the moment. I'm gonna give him a little bit calm down Just in case I don't think it's appropriate to text them right now. Um So Mario wonder any thoughts on it before we move on to the next topic. Um, yeah, I want to play it. It's gonna be great I I'll play it eventually, but I think spider-man takes precedence for me right now No, but but it looks it looks great. It looks great. Mario wonder looks great No, no, you're wrong. It doesn't look great. It looks magical. It looks wonderful So I wonder it's great too and it's like spider-man mar wonder looks like something Fresh as I see it was a ultra biased nintendo fan who's not interested in the spider-man games even though they are good games The way you blinked you were just insulted by my opinion. I could I could feel it I was just like it wasn't me. Was it was it? No, I was talking this quick. Yeah Yeah, my my ps5 has been in use a lot more this year than it was last year. I'll say that actually no um, I had a very big dry spell with the ps5 like January till like summer was 100 switch like fire emblem Uh, something else in the middle and then xeno blade and zeldo or like back to back. Yeah switches Yeah, switch. I always switch is what I used to play games. I don't yeah Yeah, I still I still need to pick up a ps5 though. Yeah It's starfield sucks. I'll probably get a ps5. Yeah the next box I I don't have an xbox. I play if I want to play an xbox game I would play it on pc which I did for high fire rush and that was really I'm joking about starfield sucking I don't think it sucks. It's just not my it's not what I starfield Is yeah, I don't think it's a game that I would enjoy playing from the looks of it, but It looks it looks pretty decent. It's good for what it is. Yeah as well, but yeah, um I uh, I'm more interested like the game of the year like Winner is one thing, but I think the nominees is gonna be even more exciting To witness like who's gonna be In the six, I mean, I think this is um, I mean, I'm sorry jakes not here because the thing is there there is another game That stands I was just texting him There is another game that stands above tears of the kingdom and bowless gate Lord of the rings golem Uh, if this was paul gill number street fighter six It's above those Golem is golem is golem is number two That's how good it is I feel bad. I shouldn't make one of you losing their jobs. They try hard This game is actually good. The game is actually good. This game should be played by This game should be played by more people than any other game. We've mentioned today f 0.99 F 0.99 That's a good credit score as far as I'm concerned 99. That's how good it is family game It is really good of 2020. That's why I pick up and play, you know Like when I need a break from other stuff because like I'm gonna get my ass kicked, but I'm gonna have fun getting my ass kicked to be totally I don't know I don't want to say honest because it's not that I'm not honest, but I just want to say I feel like there should be why is your face so big? Mine. Oh, it'll be once jacob's back. It'll be it'll be fine. He's more zoomed in than we are He's jimmy dude. Look. Look. He's really smart Dude, he's dexter. He's got the laboratory going four thousand Yeah, I hope you're getting enough oxygen up there Anyway, um, what I was gonna say um I think they should we should we should do like um like a nintendo. I mean award show because there's Like just like we should just talk about like oh, that's gonna be fun against each other because like pick been four Outside tears of the kingdom Probably is like my would be my personal game. Can I can I ran for a bit about? uh, nintendo specific Game of the years Oh, oh, oh, don't even get me right nasty. Here's the thing. I made I made a video about this and like you guys Might know what I'm about to say here, but basically in 2016 The game game, uh, the game awards jeff kaley's game awards game What's that the witcher three blood and wine? The best rpg not even dark souls three not even xenoblade x not even anything else It was witcher three dlc So i'm i i i know for a fact future deems not even gonna get a single like Mention at all in the game awards, but i'm gonna have a dlc award Yeah, I feel like at this point this should have a dlc award I I should be there. There's enough dlc coming on every year at this point I just hope that octopath traveler two gets a nomination for rpg and at least A nomination for soundtrack octopath two gets in and I don't know how this game three is going to win best rpg. It's going to win best story It's going to win best direction. I think final fantasy has story in the bag. I think it's going to win game of the year And nintendo fans have never watched the game awards ever again. Yeah And nintendo's gonna have no announcements no metroid prime four no switch to hint nothing Nintendo's going to be like, oh we were invited to the game awards. What? Yeah Yeah, I think um future redeemed is Like even out of other games that I played this year on pc and ps5. It is my number two I loved it that much. I I personally think it is only a dlc in its naming It's marketing and it's branding otherwise Everything else about it plays like a modern Like nintendo switch release It's like a game. I spent like 30 hours in Probably more than 30 hours. It has the amount of content content equivalent equivalent to like a normal action rpg like comparing it to like Kingdom hearts three or something. I feel like there's enough content there The it has a unique story unique OST unique characters unique combat system Basically, basically it's a dlc and only it's a naming. It's marketing I knew when I invited nishwork on he'd find a way to go. Yeah, I always Not even a topic. We're supposed to be talking Mario. It's like the only thing we haven't talked about So it's probably time to move on since it clearly isn't a lot of interest to talk about that topic transitions real quick Two things one keep it. I just I didn't want to cry on stream So I I had to go real quick, but also I'm too sexy for you. I understand exactly you better not Treat me different. You I come at me with that intensity that fire. I love it Um, if you treat me different because you felt that I would that would make me mad I love your passion for nintendo Keep it up. I'm just I had a long day I was tired and I I couldn't articulate what I wanted to say and I was just like I don't want to deal with this So I just needed to take I didn't need to take five Yeah, all right, man You don't gotta worry about it. Have you got so basically what jake just said is you're a bias little nintendo fan boy man, he basically just Wait, what? That's all you just jake. That's what you just said about me. He's a bias little attempt nintendo fan boy He's a little bitch. It's all right. I am small literally five five. I'm pretty short. So Geez, why are you bringing it hide into this? Why would you do that? Cause I'm a little bitch like literally Wow Hey, we're all fanboys about something. I will own that. I'm a zeno blade fan boy. So, yeah Wait, who said that? Nishquake nishquake says zeno blade fanboy. Oh, sorry. I you get a little closer to the screen Oh, oh, you should have seen when it was just the three of us. No, I did. I was He did. He was watching Anyways, um, moving on to our next topic. Uh, this is The this is kind of rare. We don't we don't usually go into other Consoles and the stuff they have going on unless it's like major announcements like when new systems are coming out And sure as shit new systems are coming out Because playstation and sony while sony in particular, I guess made the decision to refresh the playstation 5 With brand new models that'll be replacing the current ones So they're basically not making the current ones anymore when they're gone. They're gone. Then you can only get these ones Uh, they are essentially what they used to call the playstation slim But they're not using that moniker because they're just doing it straight away. I gotta I gotta correct you I got it because I want to get in argument with you Sure, they never called any playstation revision of playstation slim Okay, that was always what the public called the public call. This is consistent. Thank you. Thank you I appreciate you can still call it a slim. I've never bought a slim playstation before ever But well, I've never made one. I've literally only had like launch units weird I'm looking for I have the ps3 super slim. That's I had an xbox 360 elite though But I think we're the same size as the normal xbox 360 I had a bigger hard drive. It just didn't die half the time Yeah, no red ring enough problem. Um You know what's interesting about this ps5 slim is it supposedly confirms the ps5 pro next year? Yes Yep, we'll get it. We're getting to know about it on the podcast as well. Well, I'm sure we'll go. Yeah, we'll get to that in a moment Okay, let's just go over what this is because I don't know that Everyone that follows a nintendo podcast Even knows what's going on because you probably don't pay attention to everything going on across the industry So let's tell me what's going on. So these are these models are straight up replacements for the current playstation 5 and the playstation 5 all digital They're roughly 30 smaller. I'm not kind of good at all the spec details You want to go and look at the size comparisons. You can go do that The disc version is still going to be a 499 dollars. No price change. The old digital, however, is going up 50 bucks to 449 Which is interesting since they announced this while they're still selling the 399 model It is what it is. It's bullshit Yeah, some people argue you get a little bit more extra storage or something and i'm like maybe It's one gigabyte of storage now Of like accessible storage whereas before it was 867 gigabytes. So you didn't have Yeah, the full terabyte. Yeah. Yeah, why didn't they increase the price of the disc version? Well, hold on hold on We'll get to that in a moment The disk drive is detachable Which is actually a pretty nice quality of life feature because you can buy extra disk drives if you're worried about it not lasting long haul You can also A ps2 all consoles should have done that. Yeah, imagine your game cube fails and you just pop a new disk drive on That means with pc To come up with that feature it's so it's such a good idea. It's coming out of the time when they want to get rid of this Wait, but you don't want to get rid of them now. Yeah But what is cool is that you combine all digital and if you have buyers who are more slater and want physical games You could buy a disk drive for it and it will cost 80 dollars Yeah, so if you bought a digital And then want the disk drive You're going to pay 530 dollars. Oh, but maybe even more So Yeah, the playstation 5 today the current one that's been here since launch. I guess it's been I guess there's been a couple minor internal revisions But it's the same PlayStation 5's launch comes with a stand the stand lets you set it sideways Which I have my ps5 back here set which looks to which by the way the ps5 happens destroyer Like like like this little ps5 look this giant ps5 sideways by the way, it looks completely ridiculous It does not look like a console that should be set sideways. It should be set straight up I can't set it straight up or it covers part of the tv So so for a size comparison the new ps5 kickstand is like that big like A third of a switch. Yeah, so here's what they did The all their big promotional stuff all their commercials are showing it standing vertically with a stand Which is exactly what you can do with today's playstation 5's Except the stand doesn't come with You get a little tiny little looks like a 3d printed plastic Little nub that you can stick on it just so you can lay it sideways Which by the way, I just showed you how ridiculous the playstation 5 looks like when it lays sideways because it wasn't This one is smaller. It might look a little better But yeah, but even then it's how would like aesthetically to me the playstation 5's already not a great looking system And it looks ridiculous sideways because it was never really built to be sideways I just hate the disc models that the ace the fact that it's not symmetrical So I hate it. I hate it vertical either way either way But you get this guys you want to stand it vertical, right? Because like that's the way it looks like it was actually designed to stand was vertical $30 accessory For a piece of plastic. Yeah, I don't think that's yeah You might be a little metal ring that's kind of a ripoff For a stand it's how expensive is it? Apple What You can get a switch dock For $80 it has the entire functionality to hook you switch up to the tv. Does nintendo's sold docks? Individually The standard play station make it stand up straight which is the way it looks like it's designed to stand in the first place right it's like And they've been including it the whole time with the ps5. They're yanking it out Sony is going back to when they fumbled the bag with the ps3 launch And they're they're messing up. They're they're getting cocky And they are they're literally fumbling the bag and i'm i'm as a play station fanboy I'm a nintendo fanboy and a play station fanboy not an xbox hater just don't really care that much But as way station fanboy I'm genuinely worried. They're gonna absolutely f up the rest of this generation and i thank god jim ryan's out But he could just be escaped though. This could be stuff that everyone in the company is on the same page and it's concerning Yeah, I don't know how many little bad decisions even were jim ryan's decisions. I mean he might have been in charge of spinning it That's what I mean. He's a scapegoat. They're using fire. Like they're using that as an excuse. So like oh guys, don't worry jim ryan's out I saw a picture Dude, it is so tight. Yeah, no one's ever gonna lose that I don't know. I think it's built in to the ps5 The the horizontal one you think you think it's built in it looks like no, I thought yeah, it flips down It's just a little bit of pictures. I'm just saying I actually might buy this one They need to be coming out. I mean it's good for you since you don't have one right now Yeah, well, all right. Here's here's another thing. This doesn't matter at all But it is one positive thing about the new model that I think is kind of cool. Yeah It has four plates now Instead of two. Yeah. Yeah. Oh you could do four different colors, which is kind of sick. Yeah, that's pretty cool And also, you know how it has like the slash in the middle of the console What I think would be sick Is a wolverine special edition where it uses that slash as a claw mark, but it also has like a Another slash on each of the plates that surround it. So it's like three claw marks Sure, it's hard to like explain this without a visual, but does that make sense? Yeah, you know, it makes sense to me Okay, um So yeah, this is like something you might be able to fold down which is cool I still you know my experience of fold down one's a switch and it's not it's not good But uh, this is different because obviously you're not holding it Yeah, right. Yeah, I still I still think it looks ridiculous Then dumb and stupid But it doesn't really matter because the PlayStation 5 honestly is kind of look ridiculous from the day they unveiled the damn thing It's a it's an alien spaceship Thing of a bobber and that's what they went with and that's total, you know what it is You know, it it I don't want to I want to be careful, especially in tenor pockets to be like Oh, it's the market leader But it is the outselling the Xbox significantly so And that by the way, this actually doesn't mean the Xbox is doing poor Microsoft seems to be pretty happy with the sales so far Uh, but they know that they're they're at half at best of what ps5 is doing Um, and this and you brought up that point jake that like this feels like a move Sony did when they were on top of the world at the end of ps2 And they said we're just going to do what the hell we want to make the most money And this is just what it's going to be and we know better than everyone we have cell processors We uh, we're going to charge 600 when the competition has been out for a year and has only been charging 350 and 600 in 2006 was like Eight to nine hundred today. I'm ridiculous today so And it kind of feels like like I'm trying to think of a time when a console in the middle of this generation refreshed With replacement systems and said, you know what? We're also going to charge you more and take out features that we included in the original like version two switch They just gave us better battery life Not even like a boost in performance at all. Yeah, it's the same specs In theory them doing this should make it cheaper to make ps5 It's like But they're charging more like when nintendo released the v2 switch that had Yeah, yeah battery Yeah, when they had a new chip in it that was smaller and no more exploits It was yeah better battery life. Yeah, they shrunk the die a little bit and then had better battery life because of it But that was it though. They didn't charge us anymore. It's still 299. It was just a straight replacement for v1 That's what these are, but they're charging more And even if you think oh, they're not charging more for the top end one Well, if you want to stand it vertically and one another thing that we haven't even talked about is the raising the price of all the accessories In other regions, not in japan japan and specifics in huge price Both Japan, I mean europe as well So both dual sense controllers are getting a price hike Um, what else not charging dock web cam everything Yeah, every all their first party accessories except for the vr are getting price hiked. Wow Let's not even get started on the vr. What a we don't need to get there and somehow Games you can play out play on both are compatible of both. You can't play together. What are you talking about? dumb It's the same game. Oh such a dumb Um, I have a I don't know if I'm jumping the gun on this but With ps5 pro that is rumored for next year What is going to make it a pro? I I don't know. I'd be more powerful But like in what ways are going to be like, um, some people are saying 4k 60 with ray tracing for basically every single game Or like 4k one 60 that's so last gen it's going to be 8k 120 It is going to be able to hit 8k with accelerated ray tracing We don't know the fps that it's going to be able to do that at yeah, but it's okay I'm going to be able to technically this ps5 the current one and Just makes me dizzy like it's going to be like It's going to be like 1.5 ps5. So it's going to cut a ps5 and a half Duck tape it to another one. That's what it's going to be. But probably isn't a bad thing They should instead of calling it ps5 pro. They should call it the ps5 6.9 or as you call it 1.9 more ps5 So there's a lot of people out there that are making fun of this idea of the playstation 5 pro And I think I understand it from one perspective And that is the only just now started to see exclusives this generation And we're to believe that what we're seeing now is the best the ps5 can do You see that come through at the end of the generation Well, you and still has frame drops for me Yeah, there's going to be games that optimize the current base model ps5 so well play them so well But the ps5 pro is just something that sony can use to boost sales sell people that already bought the ps5 whatever Like what nintendo does with the olad which had no performance improvement decides a better screen Well, they charge the 699 games that are going to utilize the base ps5 a lot better and they'll just play even better even smoother Yeah, or no, there's other performance same performance But whereas maybe they'd be you know 64 k on The ps4 maybe not like a full one. Maybe they won't go into increment of a full 120, but maybe it'll give you if it's on capped You know a higher a higher frame rate with that same 4k and it's going to be for the same Market that bought the ps4 pro now. I think of course it is. Yeah, it remains to be seen How big that market will be this jam and also And it never really be a price is going to be and then there's just one other thing I want to say about it Yeah, the 8k and someone in the chat was like who has an 8k monitor no one now That's like to future-proof quote-unquote The ps6 is Allegedly according, you know to leaks that, you know, tom henderson gonna come out in 2028 I don't think most people are gonna have any k display even by then Yeah, I don't care about a like take that out of it. Just get me better like performance I would like to see a I want to see Just like just like you can go play fortnight 124k spade ps5 right now, dude. Yeah, you can do that with fortnight We a way bigger deal Yeah, 124k you can do that with an online game Right now grand fortnight's not the best graphics, but it's not terrible If you can do that with an online game, you should be able to do that with your single player experiences like So I'll tell you why though and this is something that that's been talked about for a long time Oh, why are all these games on switch only 30 fps? Why is this? Why is that? Every game you did look playstation 5 supports 120 fps all ps5 games can be 120 But it has to be a developer target and goal if the developer's goal is to always we want to push the visual fidelity That's where they're gonna put the power There's currently one 8k game on ps5. What is it? The tourist Oh, okay. I didn't know okay. That's pretty cool. Yeah, so That's that's the thing even if they support it what I mean, they'll have support for 120 I just don't think the developers are going to use the power for that because 120 doesn't sell on a commercial I I agree with you, but I want to see like insomniac Freaking get wolverine options. Give me pc like options where I can turn the graphics down to get higher fps Well, they do that now, but they call it performance. Yeah, but it's only yeah, it's either performance or quality But I want more. I don't watch this performance quality. They have performance quality performance ray tracing and hypo Incorporates that where you can customize How you play the games more like what you're saying, Nate That would be a I think a big win That would be a very that would make it a lot more appealing to me Yeah, you still keep your base settings because not everyone's when I want to mess But give the option like I look at it like the witcher three on switch Actually, this is kind of crazy They added an update that actually let us go in there and mess with like pc like settings on switch like sliders crazy Like yeah, they give us sliders for things like it was insane like we so I was like man I I love that on pc gaming, but I don't from a general consumer view point Yeah, most consumers aren't going to mess with that But if you give us the option I like having the option even if you have these two Completely optimized ideal modes, but hey, what if I want to you know, this ray tracing game What if I want to turn that off and hit 120? Let me turn it off So I don't it's interesting. Obviously, we don't fsr3 hasn't hit hasn't hit the systems yet either So we don't know what that's going to help them with you as well We talk about the lss a lot with with nintendo and it is From a technological standpoint the more advanced technology compared to fsr, but fsr isn't a joke There's a reason nintendo is using it on switch Yeah, it does do stuff and they're using 1.0 3.0 kicks the shit out of 1.0 I think like I said, Nate I think that's an amazing idea and sony should do that one thing that makes me nervous that they're not Is I don't think they can optimize it or play test it with every customize setting to make it work And my friend a reference for that is look at all their pc ports They fixed them over time, but they come out Yeah, you know what when they when they make games that do have those options. They can't freaking do it Yeah Yeah So they give very limited options in their ps5 games like god of war It had fidelity performance and then if you have like a 120 hertz display with a 2.1 cable It's high performance or quality performance or something and then spider-man has performance spray tracing And then like if you're using a 120 hertz tv, I think you can play fidelity at 40 fps But it's like it's like long Like like Nate said this is like if you want to do the the high quality graphics You can't then turn off the ray tracing. Yeah They give you two choices You either get all the valves and whistles with the lowest frame rate Or get the higher frame rate and and nothing like nothing in between. Yeah, yeah, so Here's the thing like, you know, we're talking about these new models of ps5 Like like a ps5 pro coming isn't a shocker when they when they did the ps4 pro They're making smaller models of their other playstation. Look, they've been doing that. I mean gosh, probably since ps1 I have to remember if they made a smaller one But um, either way, they've been doing that for a long time. So none of this is surprising The most surprising part is The jacking of the prices the increasing the prices of accessories increasing the price of the digital model ripping a A feature a stand out from the system that was included and then thinking you could charge 30 bucks for it People are probably just going to go on amazon about five dollar third party ones at this point, but Um, so I mean someone will buy the official lungs. I understand it's officially supported. It screws in blah blah blah Well, that's the thing. That's what Sony does with all their accessories. You know, I know Someone's gonna do a third party one that you can screw in as well. I mean look at D brand at the plate situation Yeah, I mean look there's a bunch of alternate switch stocks out there for cheaper like that's that's fine And so many people still want to buy the first party And that's well, there was an issue with them bricking switches that scared people like four years ago But that's not a problem anymore. Nintendo actually released an update that stopped that from happening because Um, they had like even their partners that made those docs were like, uh, what's going on? So Look The scary thing is mostly just all the price I came because this is people always talk about how Um, they would they would love in their mind to have there be one console that gets everything So Nintendo is no longer a console manufacturer Microsoft no longer is everyone just puts everything on playstation or everything puts or they all combine and make one giant, you know system or whatever But this is the scary thing that happens when you have a monopoly and I would venture to guess at the moment PlayStation 5 compared to xbox has as big of a monopoly as they've had in a long time And they know it and they're they didn't do these this at launch They're doing it mid-gem when they're already successful and already creating the man Oh, by the way launching their most in-demand game They're purposely doing this when they are because they know they can get away with it in the moment regardless They knew they're gonna get backlash. They're not stupid They just know spider-man 2 is dropping next week and everyone's gonna forget about it Not everyone like the hardcore like podcasters and stuff some of the playstation dedicated channels because I've even seen they're not happy about this Nobody's happy about it But there there's not really a way to spin it as a positive it's just they're doing it and this is What people are scared of is Last time sony got this full of themselves was the beginning of playstation 3 and a lot of bad things went bad things went down With decisions they were making and I think people are more worried about if they're making these decisions now What decisions are they going to make with the ps6 and then just to clarify for chat that May not have been around when the ps3 happened specifically when when you're saying a lot of bad things happen uh What you mean what you mean is Sony went very anti consumer Which is bad for everyone. Yeah, and and they're showing a lot of and someone's had in the chat even what's the problem What's the big problem with ps5? I mean objectively just the games that are coming out how the console performs all good What's what's bad with going on with the ps5 and sony is the price hikes the the bs like slim that's Increasing the costs of everything for the consumer. It's anti consumer practices that have been a pattern for sony when they start to Become more popular than the competition and I'm not and by competition. I don't mean nintendo because Nintendo's when they feel like there's a when they feel there's a large enough gap But the next one is microsoft basically yeah, and last time I did this was playstation 3 and guess what was leading compared to them Most of that generation xbox 360 xbox 360 we're selling like crazy people like oh, we're not dealing with this bullshit We're not the games are even running better on the 360 because you went with a seller on or a sell processor that nobody uses Nobody wants to develop for oh and you're charging six hundred dollars Which is almost twice as much as the competition and then oh look at this Uh now like everyone's talking now like hey, this is great news for the nintendo switch too because when it comes out It's going to be priced under the all digital version You know who this is really great news for the xbox series s That's like now. That's a hundred and fifty dollar price gap to the next playstation From the cheapest xbox and I understand there's performance differences But you're all the third party games keep going to the xbox. Here's the problem with xbox And this is the reason I think playstation made a lot of these decisions is because they are they're choking In the even worst way where they're not coming up with games There's there's no one senses by it. I mean starfield was their big game and honestly for that to be the big game I mean forza came out, but that's a racing game. It's a little different Hits on a really specific audience The xbox exclusive game of the year is embarrassing Yeah, I mean it's just it's a it's a Bethesda Copy and paste. I mean I I guess that's a little harsh, but you get what i'm saying Yeah, you're not a huge fan of starfield But you know and I don't think it's a bad game, but it's just it's just not for me But but regardless even if I loved it um For that to be your biggest game in years, it's like They've just messed up. They messed up. Halo. They're messing up ever like all their big stuff And so Sony's like great and instead of like just keeping doing what they're doing, which is what they should do They're like cool. We're just we're going to take this opportunity to just take advantage of people more Yeah, and and people aren't dumb And I I do wonder if if this mentality persists see my thing is I don't think it's going to hurt them this generation But I do worry about decisions being made now as they're working on the playstation 6 The only way I can see it hurt them is if all those xbox games that were announced a couple years ago Like fable and yeah, they all start coming out rapid fire and a couple of them are really good Sony's going to screw themselves. So that's the one thing I was saying is Sony's on top and they're enjoying it But I think they're ignoring that Sony or sorry xbox just bought a ton of studios over the last five years And when all of those studios not just Bethesda when all of those studios start to bear fruit And if that fruit ends up being starfield or better every single time That's going to be a problem because they also they realistically might start releasing more high quality exclusives more often than than sony does and That's only going to drive xbox sales And then sony's going to be like, oh, well, you know, we'll be maybe now we'll be friendly We'll drop the the all digital price back to what it originally was because we're a nice guy and so Interesting Now xbox owns 20 hot crash band acute spirally dragon banjo kazooie for all xbox exclusives Oh, yeah, and they're gonna come on. Yeah. Yeah, the only game they promise is call of duty ain't going anywhere Will the warcraft ain't going anywhere. Well, of course they're not Well, all those other ip's are probably going to be exclusive What um, sony first party games if any air confirmed for next year None, right? Do it does anything? I think you're correct. I think you're correct I don't think they have any announced for 2025 right now specifically and also Nice of the old republic. I think got cancer. Yeah, it's I think it's basically done. Yeah, they just don't want to say Oh, it's not okay, whatever You almost everyone got fired. So they called the trailer from youtube What was that and they said it's because of music licensing licensing, which doesn't make sense So you don't have licensing for star wars music in a star wars game They deleted all the trade the twitter posts about it as well. They deleted all their If you don't have licensing for a star wars music in a star wars game You want to wise cancel because disney's buying ea and doing it themselves. Yeah, that's probably what that that is something that's being talked about right now Oh, yeah, yeah, disney disney might be buying Prime for kind of situation Is that what's happening? Development restart with a different studio. No, I don't I don't think so. I think disney wants to start their own game studio I also I also think that um I think the hesitancy from the top of disney to even pull the trigger on that even though I apparently there's pressure from the board is that Ea hasn't been consistent with the star wars games and their quality And there's a one that everyone is super hyped for being made by ubisoft right now That looks like it might be the best of all of them And if that drops and just takes off they don't want to be like oh now we can't work with ubisoft because we own ea Which is aspire part of ea Someone pointed out vio fan c7 uh remake the part two part two. There you go. Oh, yeah. Well. No, yeah, uh Yeah rebirth rebirth is There's the goni but that's like saying I I mean I don't yeah rebirth is a ps5 exclusive But it's not first party time exclusive. I think yeah It'll probably be on pc someday if I don't be persona three by the time Rebirth gets a pc Like a part one's coming for an ounce. Yeah, I'll probably just get it on pc. I don't know a vowed Um persona three is an ax marks is a lot of announced games. I keep thinking about they have a lot of one I mean, I I I don't know how many are coming next year, but And they have a lot. I hope Hellblade should be great to me by the original developers of the first one They just have a huge budget now so they could go crazy and do whatever they want hellblade Last of the party was coming out next year. I mean, oh, yeah Horizon zero dawn remaster is coming out next year. Uh, well last of us just leaked. Yeah Yeah, the part two the part two. Yeah Dude, it's just kind of crazy man Look, this is this is what happens. It's anti-consumer practices all over every industry out there And this is just what sony's choosing to do I just want to read Andres is making me feel like eric really is still here Yeah, I've never I've never seen him talk more than when we were when we discussed playstation Yeah, you can tell he's a huge playstation guy. I mean Look, he's got the black and white Look at his wall. It's all playstation themed. It's black and white. Yeah with a zeno blade poster such a such a playstation That's not zeno blade. That's Oh, I don't see 16 Yeah, where did where did the zeno, uh, where did the zeno Universe start what what platform zeno gear is ps1. Yep Zeno gears on ps1 zeno saga trilogy on ps2. So, yeah, that's the sony fanboy coming up being like, hey, I'm sure I can get my credit Don't get the shits in Nintendo. They own Really want to argue that square soft is making Bamco still owns the ip for actually square soft made a nintendo game before playstation where did and enix did All right, let's get on to zelda. Shall we? Yeah, let's talk about zelda. Oh, now it's the You said square soft. I thought you said square enix. I miss her. I whoa, we got to keep it clean Wait, wait, wait, we got to keep it clean. We're good. I know I was I was keeping it filthy. That's my bad I literally confused myself. I like tricked myself You're talking to square soft and square enix. Hold on. I'm not gonna hold. There's a big For those who don't understand square soft is first and eventually square soft broke into two different studios square enix and monolith soft eventually No, no, no Enix for two different studios And then square soft acquired enix. The the the reason Dragon Quest Yeah, then talk about So here's what happened. All right guys So activation was this really big company doing big things and then he split off in the two companies Activision and then blizzard and then you're also right. Andres that happened after no no The the soft with monolith soft is just software. It's it's nothing to do with square soft It's just takahashi didn't want to work with square anymore. So he created monolith soft and Bamco It was it was there's a lot of staff that left it wasn't Yeah Into something more fun Zelda As the topic literally says Zelda what? Joy cj. You have to keep it clean. Yes Yeah, I enjoy cj's You're the exception joy cj. You don't have to keep it clean at zelda. Hey, you can you can freak out Hey, she's a mod she gets special privileges. Sorry guys. Sorry guys. Sorry guys. Um, so I wonder why we talk about zelda. What's going on with zelda? Was there a new remake or remaster announced? I don't know lego set. Nope animal crossing actually looks kind of cool 75 bucks for like 150 legos sounds like even though the zelda legos that got leaked Yep, but this one didn't and this one's coming first. Uh, so There was basically a interview that occurred with the director of tears of the kingdom or We could probably have referred to at this point It's like the director of all of zelda because he's been directing the last three majors all the games um and Uh tomorrow fooby ashi Fuji by ashi fuji by ashi. Okay. Whatever you tomorrow fuji by ashi Okay, you go to your yashi anyways He said the following about what happened to the shika technology He was asked about it. Like hey, this is like a plot hole. What the hell's going on? What happened to the shika tech? And so he went on to explain where did all that shika tech go? They disappeared after the calamity was defeated All of the people of hyrule also witnessed this But there is no one who knows the mechanism or reason why they disappeared and it is considered a mystery It is believed that since calamity disappeared They also disappeared as the role had been fulfilled It is anyway commonplace for mysterious events and strange phenomena to occur in hyrule Thus the people have simply assumed the reason behind the disappearance to likely be related to the ancient shika technology And it seems there is no one who has tried to explore the matter further the main Um, I don't even know what that word is. I don't know that's not the word that I went to type there But the visualizations, I don't know. That's not the word I meant to type. So I don't know what it is Um, anyways in breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom. I this is what I didn't link the source I usually link the sources in and I didn't link the source. I don't know. No idea I have no idea what that word is in the you guys seeing that the doc. I have no idea what that word is Oh, it is visualations Apparently, it's a real word autocorrect. Probably it's probably a bone me because it's a real word anyways Breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom are completely different. So we thought about the game based on concepts that match each of those civilizations Um, it's civilizations. Is that what it's supposed to be the main civilizations? Okay. Yes. All right. All right. So that makes 100 percent I remember it. All right. Got it there Just have to do one thing or right next to each other to and boom Got it. All right So I'll reread that last one the main civilizations and breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom are completely different So we thought about the game based on concepts that would match each of those civilizations Um So there's a lot of directions to go with this for starters I want to warn there's always the possibility since this deals with like a story detail. There could be some Spoilers in this conversation for the game Um, I don't you know, I don't think we're going to get into end game or anything like that with uh, Here's the kingdom. I want to say one thing to you. I'm sorry to interrupt. I just want to applaud you for not Butchering what was said because a lot of people just read the interview And there are the parts that are in quotes and the parts that are not in quotes and some people have Misconstrued what the writer said as flavor text surrounding the quotes as what fujibayashi said Yeah, his interpretation Like it's the last part he says in short. Don't worry about it. He never he didn't mark fujibayashi never said that That's just what the writer interpreted Yeah, so and a lot of people think that he said that when he never did No, um, I have a quick question about this. Is this the same interview where awenuma Did they interview awenuma as well in this this article? You can't even you have to if there's a paywall Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, but I would like to read the whole article I also saw like a quote from awenuma saying I want to create a game without a story Was this the same interview or was that a different interview around breath of the wild time? There's a paywall I don't know. Okay. Yeah, because I'm just gonna give my two cents on this I don't know how you I think I know how you guys feel. I talked to Nate a bit about this before the show I saw andre's video on this This is the worst possible explanation they could have given for me because I Was always out like the one thing I was very excited for what tears of the kingdom Is it's a sequel to breath of the wild in the same high rule? Where they will mention things that happened in the first game They will mention characters. They'll mention events. They'll mention things to establish continuity, you know Like a lot of sequels Will kind of reference things from before to establish continuity if they don't have anything present They will at least mention why that isn't present And especially with a game as big and as vast and as lore filled as zelda is you would expect someone Like pura robbie impa Anyone who's knowledgeable on shikatek to at least say something about it Like I don't know. I I find it very I It almost feels to me like this quote was thought of in the moment And like of course they most they 100 thought about it in development, but It just feels like a very big glaring omission And I feel like there was a lot of other things in breath of the wild where I was like, oh, why didn't they talk about this? Where is this? Why didn't they mention that or this character or why is this character at this age or why is this character? Like acting or behaving the way that they are because it doesn't make sense from what you experienced in breath of the wild Well, I think I mentioned this to you. I think one of the main things about that Is the sheikah slate was the we you gamepad And so what tears of the kingdom they wanted to make it about the pura pad and the switch and so they really I think they wanted to cut all ties With that because it really is representative of the we you I know But the sheikah the sheikah slate still existed in high roll And there's there's only one like I I think a better explanation like my head cannon Was when the upheaval happened a lot of sheikah tech was just like Corroded with the gloom and sent down into the depths and that was my head cannon and I was like I think you were completely right about saying that he might have just pulled that quote out of his ass Yeah, because I think what happened is you're right. They thought about in development and they they made a conscious decision Obviously, we're not going to have any sheikah slate. They didn't think about why they didn't want to give a reason why Because they didn't want they didn't want to talk about it at all And so That's why this answer because he doesn't want there to be a cool explanation like what you're saying right now He just wants it to be done You know, I mean Nintendo just makes shit up as they go when it comes to zelba All right Before I continue I just want to I want to I want to speak on a point There's a point I wish I actually addressed more so with my video yesterday on this subject But because there's a paywall behind the article I don't think we had the we have all the proper context for what's being said here I forgot what website was it again? No, no, no, I paid I have all the context. Don't worry That's your word for it then I think you can disable all the script on chrome and then on Try to remember what website it was Yeah, I should have known this just a reference guys. We're talking about Uh telegraph how much how much is the paywall the telegraph Can we get in trouble for sharing? Well, not if we just speak it. We're not showing it. No, um, I'll sign up right now It's got a free month I I just I just think context matters because in the document me Honestly, I and if you guys watched my video and you heard the whole part right or if you didn't like The way it said The people of hyrule thought a certain thing or it seemed a certain way that doesn't mean that is what happened I think that that's if you read the quotes He doesn't say that that the shika technology disappeared. He says the people believe it disappeared That it seems it disappeared. So which is just a great cough out Answer I I think that I think that makes it even sillier really did do they why would No one in the entire kingdom of hyrule Like well, I think we're gonna have a little more what what you're that's not keeping it clean. That's why Well, so the reason so okay that Context matters because if this interview if these words were said in a From a perspective of oh, I don't want to spoil a game for readers Then I understand it more so which is why I'm asking about context Because maybe they don't want to say all the details of of why or that might be one perspective, but then the other As I said talked in my video. I still think you can read this and still interpret that the gloom played a role How so No, because I think because not every because it's it's a mystery Before you wake up, I don't yeah Okay, yeah, I don't see how the disappearance of something so prevalent in a I guess Kingdom would be a mystery That would be I don't I don't know if something disappears that you don't know why that's what a mystery. Okay. That's a mystery Literally, if you don't know it if something happens that you don't understand why You don't have an answer for it. That's what a mystery is That's the definition of a mystery So all I'm getting at here is that the quote is saying What the the it's good speaking for the perspective of the people of hyrule He's not saying what happened. He's he's talking about what the people of hyrule think So it it's it's how they do it. They leave it all for room for interpretation, right? Um, that all said the reason link and zelda the beginning of the game the exposition for the game is them Exploring underground hyrule to find to figure out the mystery of the gloom Gloom is is causing issues in hyrule So we understand that as the beginning of tears of the kingdom one very beginning is them one thing that doesn't make sense about the gloom being the reason that the it destroyed the the sheikah technology is because It seems like the sheikah technology did go as he said in the interview with the death of calamity gannon And I don't think about 10 000 years ago with the first calamity The the divine beasts were still used the guardians are still used the ancient hero with the We actually have a canon answer for that so he was sealed He wasn't destroyed. So there is like actually canon answer for why That the last calamity attack was the last attack because the the in breath of the wild that final battle Damages caused the hyrule castle That caused the stir to the the core root of it all which is gandalf underground that entire battle with um that amalgamation of Guardian beast parts when they broke down into like that that tomb area That caused damage to hyrule castle, which led to the stirring of gandorf. This is actually This is in the gandorf's bio in tears of the kingdom. I did not know about this until like two days ago I mean gannon used the guardians it it used it took advantage of the sheikah technology. So why would it destroy it? What i'm trying to explain is that gandalf the seal on ganondorf started to fully break after Because of that final battle the final battle in breath of the wild and at the end of breath of the wild The very final scene zelda says that varuta the the elephant the divine beast is not working So they're already hinting at something going wrong with the sheikah technology. So when they reach zora's domain at the end of breath of the wild varuta just vanishes Or it's I mean, obviously there there's a gap here. We don't know what happened to fujibuyashi It disappears. No. No, that's not right Disappears according to the people of hyrule according to fujibuyashi He's not saying it disappeared. He's saying the people believe saw it disappear so Or think that it disappears you understand the distinction i'm trying to make here The people of hyrule think it disappears. That's what he's saying. He's not saying We have the full context now. Nate put it in the in the document and uh, I think he wanted to comment on it too I did. I want to read it. Well, I think Yeah, and that's sort of a reference if you want to make videos and stuff as well. It's fine okay but uh Yeah, yeah, that's something i'm ever gonna show publicly because it's fine. I pay well, but Uh, the the basically there's two things. I saw a couple comments in the chat The context around this there really isn't that much context to it. It's a completely separate point made in the piece I can basically talks about the whole interview this talks about the uh, the creation of the game And uh, why they were thinking certain ways why they why they actually wanted to make a sequel And this is one thing I saw a few people in the chat say Here's the kingdom feels like the most forced sequel of all time. If you read this interview, that's kind of ironic Uh, because they actually all their ideas they had they felt needed to be in the same high rule So for them, this was the exact opposite of forced. This was something that made sense to them And that's what the whole interview is like focusing heavily on how like They wanted to be in the same high rule This was something that they chose because the ideas they had and they do dive a little bit towards the end On the point of not adding dlc and content and clarifying because they were probably asked about it Um, and it's just being like hey, we're not going to create dlc this time like reiterating that point They've already made because everything we wanted to do development wise we did we were given the time to do it in this game Basically, we're moving on to the next one so And that's something we've already heard technically before they're just this is just like months later They're still re clarifying the same point that hasn't changed. They're resetting the we're not getting dlc and basically the the two the two little paragraphs they give about this is what they give and To me and this is what i've always felt about zelda and maybe it's just because i've been so close to covering it for since 1998 at this point It's that nintendo and their directors and and stuff Not only do they contradict themselves all the time Uh, they kind of I feel like just make things up as they go And that's because they don't care about Continuity as much as the fans do they care about this individual game Is it the best possible game it could be to hit our vision? They didn't care that there was going to be plot holes between games. What happened to cast? There's no explanation. Yeah, people just pretend the guy doesn't exist Like there there's a lot of these issues all throughout the game Um, and you know, I wouldn't be like you've done that with zelda from day one for 30 years. Yes Absolutely, and that's what i'm saying that like they don't think this stuff is that important Yeah, what they love now is they realize people make all these videos and they speculate they're like Oh, we leave that up to your imagination. Like like like i'm trying to I like that this is what happened. He's saying that no one's explored it. I like the people It's like I like that they do that. Yeah I I didn't I don't know. I i'm much younger, but I don't remember there being that many massive How are you here? Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something not until the past is once a prequel to the first zelda game Oh, yeah, yeah that no, but people are arguing about the story and the connections for zelda Since time in the memorial like it's been always been When zelda 2 came out and it didn't perfectly line up with what happened in zelda 1 Since then people have been debating like why didn't this line up? This is literally zelda 2 How does it not follow zelda 1? Interesting just like how do you I am 25 All right Yeah, dude. That's a good. That's a good. That's a good age for me. Oh, yeah. All right. Yeah Yeah, I I think um when it comes to zelda I feel a little bit differently than a lot of other zelda content careers Yeah, I see all there's other content creators opinions on on this. I actually really like the story in tears of the kingdom I thought I love the story. I thought it was fantastic. I think it was very emotional It was a lot of there's a lot of There's a lot there if you choose to see it if you choose to explore it But i'm not going to pretend it's perfect, but also I never had an expectation that it would be perfect And if you it's not like it's boulders gate 3, you know what I mean It's not like it's You know play chronicles 3 future listen listen. I had talked about this my podcast on monday What tears of the kingdom is? At its core Is an adventure game what tears of the kingdom does better than any other game is adventure That's what they focus on. It's not like stories there Fighting is there But those aren't the most important if you want to you want combat play street fighter play smash play dark souls Right if you want story play ballers gate 3 play final fantasy 16 But if you want adventure adventure it's creativity to I'm well in this game particular especially. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean that's the game we're talking about right? Yeah You're talking about your tears of the kingdom. Am I right on my wife tears of the kingdom He was saying it's also about creativity. Oh wait, sure Yeah, you use your this particular one is definitely to explore an interactive world as you please Yeah, right. It's it's a tool Um, I feel like please I just don't I just I just don't look at I'm not as angry about certain details Because I didn't expect it to be the best story the best story ever told like I I I would say that if for example We don't hold mario games the same standard in terms of story. Why? Because we don't we don't all the same story We play the game about story because they because they don't care about it. They've never care mario galaxy two Basically just rewrites the story of galaxy one. It's just like Didn't Miyamoto specifically say that he like he like forced uh, I don't it was like koizumi He was like don't write a story for mario galaxy Don't have a story for this game and then he had to like push in the rosalina story book near the end or something Yeah, I love that stuff. Yeah, I love it But galaxy two has zero connection. It's like it's like there's like You have to really you have to do some some serious mental gymnastics to understand and continue Honestly, seriously the kingdom Doesn't feel like a sequel to breath the wild as much as it feels like An independent story In the exact same universe where there are like still the same some of the same characters There that's weird because Feels more like that. Yeah, I feel just I feel like just to Make it a more like the game is perfect. I think the game is perfect. It's like everything I ever wanted to be except for The story could have been better if they Polished things up made it just make a little more sense, you know with the continent. I agree I think at this point we're being nitpicky because you're right like the it's it's an amazing game Love the game. Definitely one of my like favorite kids on I I think it is something good to discuss there is definitely stuff like that I I think it is something to discuss because I am Just like ever since breath of the wild came out Not even when breath of the wild came out Maybe like approaching tears of the kingdom's release is the first time in my entire Like again, I I'm younger than you guys But I've been playing zelda for a while and I've never heard anyone say zelda's never been about the the story zelda's never been about the story until Approaching the tears of the kingdom release and I was like No, zelda's always been about the story for me. I mean, of course, it's gameplay focused very gameplay focused But I always pride zelda on having a balance To all the emotos creation zelda has the most story Twilight princess wind waker skyward sword these games Are some of the best nintendo stories ever told I think and they make sense They make sense with what is the start of a very administration best nintendo stories Yeah, no. Yeah, and I know I still think they're great stories I think skyward swords one of my favorite stories in games just personally because I love skyward sword But like even wind waker the story of like someone who's not even supposed to be the hero But becomes the hero because he is like living up to the hero times name all that stuff Like it makes sense with what's establishance in ocarina of time and all that Even skyward sword when you're building the master sword, you're like, oh, you're building the master sword with the Like flames of the golden goddesses it like it makes sense whereas Like even majora's mask like kind of had a Like different kind of situation because it's in a new world. It's in a new like alternate dimension It's not necessarily connected to the high rule of ocarina of time But here's what the kingdom was so I was really looking forward to them saying like, oh, here's why The divine beasts aren't there. Here's what we did to like Take down the divine beast or like here's what we did to do this Here's where cast is like when I went to the shrine of resurrection. I was like, oh, okay Nothing's here the eager here and all that Someone will probably talk about it later on in the game because this is like the second day I was part of the reason they made the conscious decision not to answer any of those questions was because of all the hype had The and they knew this year's in advance that all the hype the game would have going up to it They wanted people that had never played breath the wild or Those people that play breath the wild and decided they hated it and didn't finish it They wanted people that have no knowledge of that game to be able to play this game Yeah, and not get confused. I I don't think A handful of npc dialogue would have thrown off new players though I also You could argue There's so there's a lot of lore in history and story in breath of the wild that doesn't get credit because you have to read journals and Diaries that are everywhere It could have been like that where for those that want to find it you could discover it Um, but they didn't and we still have journals and diaries and stuff with a bunch of lore and cheers again But they did it again They wanted to keep the lore For anyone who has no experience like I'll I'll give you guys an example like cast not being present They don't say where cast is But cast is mentioned in the game What's the name pen mentions cast is the regional bard but he is mentioned. No one is like Like newcomers to cheers of the kingdom may not be like, oh, who's this retail bard? Who is it? Yeah, that was that was a good idea like at least Acknowledge it. Oh, he has his kids are in. Yeah, his kids are there Where the hell where is he? Yeah Here's what happened. This is why they don't tell you, okay The you know the the chasms come and we got the depths coming in and he might have standing there And he got hit by something that took him down to the depths and killed him And they just don't want to talk about it because he is too gruesome It is possibly die. It'll make the game rated M Well, they just had death in the last game. So it's not like, you know, they're adverse to doing death themes They had death in in tears of the kingdom in the most might be a video I don't think he necessarily died They didn't want him in the game. So they just didn't put him in the game. Yeah, I think Or I mean that's the standard with the sheikah tech. They didn't want the sheikah tech So they didn't put it there. No, exactly. I think it's exactly the same. Yeah So it was kind of like coming up with story reasons to explain gate like, you know design choices, right? I I do want to go back to the quote because I was saying something and I think I was a little off And I just want to kind of clarify, right? And I think I have the full context too Yeah, well just going back to the quote again because I was telling this quick one thing I think I was a little off So I'll just read this part, right? The um fujibashi said they disappeared after the calamity was defeated And parent articles are sealed So he is saying they disappeared, right? But I think what needs to be understood here is that disappeared We don't know what that means disappeared, right? So let me continue on just keep that in mind All the people of hyrule who also witnessed this, but there is no one who knows the mechanism Or reason why they disappeared is considered a mystery. So the reason why I emphasize mechanism Is because they don't know how it disappeared, right? They don't know if the gloom is what caused it to just be disintegrated Or if it evaporated into like that blue like energy like it did in Breath of the Wild like we don't know Like why or how it disappeared necessarily that that's where the mystery is um And I I just want I just think it's interesting though because You just from a lore perspective The shiga technology did present the option to kind of like Disintegrate or dematerialize like link does it all the time um And even alongside with the sheikah slate so even sheikah tech can do it itself At playing so can the other things and then teleported to the sacred ground Sure, but like the monks every time you would interact one of the monks they would dematerialize away. They would move on so it's possible that the sheikah technology It just there was something that happened in Breath of the Wild that That it was understood that the calamity Is no more and once they understood there was no once it understood There is no more longer a threat of the calamity again, which is why it was built It wasn't built for gand or it was built for the calamity again and Just moved on right like we now we see we it's easier for us to understand when like spirits move on When their job is done because that's an established trope, right? Like like, you know, I don't want to I don't know if I can spoil it. What? At least characters in Breath of the Wild Once we knew their job was done They moved on some of this happens in tears of the kingdom, but I want to say any more because it's a spoil So the part of me that is always confused about this is So he gives his explanation that you know once the calamity was defeated, you know, they just you know They vanished or whatever um But they create that he kind of says that you know the people don't even question it They're not really even curious about it. No one bothered to even let's consider the look into it It's considered a mystery But throughout tears of the kingdom everything that happened That led to tears of the kingdom is also a mystery and they're busy exploring trying to figure out They're very curious. So how weren't they curious about that? And and my thing is how did they know the calamity was even gone? Since it's sort of inferred that shortly after he was defeated This all went down and it happens to look at a lot of the calamity Well, actually it's not it there's evidence suggests it's been years, right because of the child Well, but it's but they've been exploring that the reason they were exploring the depths of the castle at the very beginning Was because it had already happened. No, so the reason they're exploring Underground is because of of the gloom So they're going to explore why but gloom gloom is the signification of calamity. So why would they think calamity's gone? I'm saying he's contradicting himself the same as malice It is a different you triggered the fireworks. It's but it's very similar Very similar but gloom causes people to get sick The malice didn't do that It's different. I mean they couldn't they didn't really touch the malice. We don't really know If the malice and it hurts us when we touch it. Yeah, it hurt link when he touched it it hurt, but it didn't Remove there was no residual effects afterwards. It's stronger. It's stronger I just don't I don't think they're Gone and like one of the things that signified the calamity was here was this stuff Is just a metaphor for covid and oh here we go. It's just a new strain. It's the variant. All right, so Yeah My perspective Costume with the hood that covers your face Makes the gloom not take your arms away All right, sorry. So we have You know, we have purra right and we and robby like they are scientists They and input input like no sheikah lore and she knows a lot about the people There's and obviously we have the zonai survey core like there are clearly people who have an interest in mystery and discovery and figuring things out So I guess if you when you by knowing this and hearing his explanation it can maybe feel like a little bit of a disconnect um There there's something to maybe be said with that. I I do think though that I wouldn't be surprised if What actually happened if it's even if we ever actually get any clarifications. What happens is that purra Is the one who notifies zelda of this mystery of the shiggy technology of these this gloom stuff popping up Caused people to get sick and this is what leads to link and zelda going underground to find out why I'm just busy over here trying to unsubscribe Before they charge me um Yeah, yeah, I'll figure By the way, the first time they charge me is not what I'm worried about they'll charge me a buck and I get two more months But then after that it's like $50. So like oh my god. Yeah, we need to need to get off of this Anyways, um, I am glad I have the rest of the article because there's some more stuff in there I can maybe reference some future videos or something but cool. Um yeah I don't know like I My my opinions haven't really been swayed one way or another like the nintendo just makes shit up They've been doing it for 30 years with zelda and they're gonna keep doing it because they don't really care They care about the game they created Stop asking us questions about things we didn't address because we don't give a shit We sold 20 million plus copies and we're a game of the year contender and we're good with that And people seem to be really happy. So and we know we're not going to be bothered to gate three But it's fine. We just don't want to answer your questions. Yeah, we're not going back down that that rabbit hole I will also say Staying for later this year. We'll have a big debate later this year. I We already have the bet Everything you said they just don't want to they don't want to they don't care and they don't want to answer The only part that bothers me about the information because I honestly I have no problem with what's being said here I don't think it really impacts the lord negatively in any way Except for this one part where he says and it seems there's no one who has tried to explore the matter further Because that doesn't seem like something that purr would allow purr would be like na na. Yeah That that would be interested robbie would be interested in purr would be interested too but but There is a word in there that leaves it up for debate because he says seems there is no one so It seems means You know not necessarily right so purr could be the exception now. I guess The consideration is is he just saying this because he's talking about it from like a macro perspective where If you just think about the masses, there isn't really a significant group that I have to say something about everything that you said on this Is that I think I first let me say let me just give you credit Technically everything you said is correct. Like everything you're saying Yes, could be Inferred from what he said, but I also think That you are looking into it Way too hard. I don't think this is something that can be analyzed because I agree with Nate It's just something off the cuff So, I think I'm gonna let me counter that a lot of his This is bad I think it's I'm out. What's up? What's up? What did I just get myself into in order to cancel my subscription? You cannot do it through their website. You have to call their number During their business hours for an assistant To help me cancel my subscription and of course this is a uk website So it's a long distance overseas phone call during hours that i'm not available This is bullshit. So, you know what I'm gonna do to cancel telegram. Let me tell you what I'm gonna About this dude make a video about this. This is a great freaking topic So dumb No, make the video. This is a scan. This is like what jim You can't offer a free subscription and then a dollar and then I can't even unsubscribe without talking to a human That's the only place in the planet I have to talk to a human Yeah, all right. I just want to jake want to respond to you before I lose the thought Yeah, sorry. Go ahead. So you're talking I'm making these points about the language and how technically Interpretation and there's wiggle room, right and then all right Nate don't do that because um They can send you into collections. They can still charge you every month Even though it's not charging you but then send it to a debt collect agency and it's going to f you over You wanted you want to cancel it for real But sorry go ahead andress. No, it's all right Um I just don't want him to get after a bit like that So, but all I wanted to get at right is that Yeah, I'm not even necessarily just agreeing with what you're saying just for the record, right? Um, I'm just saying there's two sides So on one side if you're the analytical person, right? Because I think nintendo is intentionally ambiguous because they want Though the zealot theorists of people who want to get into it They want to give them that material to do so But if you're not into that then you know, it's very simple, right? It's just it is what it is So my perspective is We can if we analyze it the way it's being said it's left up for interpretation But at the same time If you just think it's you know, just kind of made up which is definitely arguable Then it's not a big deal. You shouldn't care about the story the minor story details anyway That's kind of my thought on it, right? Like if you're someone who's analytical, there's there It's it's it's done in a way where it's flexible and you can kind of choose how you choose to perceive the story That's that's a good point because that's how the entire franchise is Leaves it up for interpretation Yes, you know And it's like like we were saying earlier all the videos and the timelines and theories and Whatever, I mean the answer really fits right in with that like you can analyze it as much as you want or choose not to So I I don't I agree with you. I agree with you. It's it's it's all it's exactly It's all it's it's meant for you to because it's a legend And and by by as being a legend and inherently it's room for interpretation, right? Like you go back and you check like Hyrule Historia and it's when it talked about initially about the timeline that When you read that book it talks about how like this is just How we understand the timeline currently More information may come to light down the road like it's That's just it that's just how they do it and as I said before you can choose to interpret that as It's just a cop out. So yeah, can I also say something about this? Uh, I have a few things to say first of all When he says oh, it seems like this it seems that the people didn't realize or something like that, right? I feel like that's more of him just pushing it under the rug It doesn't seem like oh i'm putting it up for interpretation to me it Gives off the vibe that like He doesn't he himself doesn't even know the answer to the Okay, uh, I I have a few a few quick things to say I will say this, um again um I I I know I always bring this up, but I got to bring up xeno blade again I wanted to finish the point about zelda Because you're saying some stuff and I wanted to I wanted to it's relating to zelda what I was saying is zelda leaves things up for interpretation With it's lore and stuff, but I don't think it gives you enough to go off of Whereas xeno blade does the same thing you can make a lot of assumptions like even after the base game of three before the future idiom dlc a lot of Xenoblade theorists were like making guesses and making concrete like Theories about what the black fog meant what the sort of the end was a lot of these things that weren't answered in three but We were given more hints and more context as to what could be the answers to these until future idiom gave us the actual answers Saying that It seems that this disappeared and it seems that no one knows the answer to why this disappeared Isn't really giving us any hints to go off of for Much at all. I don't know I think you're that's totally okay if you feel that way. Um, the only thing that I I think you were referring to earlier that I kind of disagreed with is just Suggesting that he doesn't know the answer. Yeah I don't I I think that's That's an assumption with yeah, no real evidence because we've seen interviews where they've told us Hey, we know we have an internal thought process on what this is, but we're not going to tell you So, yeah, I I I think Fujiwara. I mean, it may be the case that they just I don't just the thing is like I'm not saying like you're in a minority because I've seen a lot of people that just kind of think that They just don't know what the hell that they're doing with the story. I don't feel that way I think they they I I'm not saying that it isn't like I don't think they plan the story out as well as say like as they do for Xenoblade like that is clear But I also think they handle things in a way that's Intentionally ambiguous to leave them to leave things in up for interpretation. Yeah, that doesn't mean I think you're right they like have a discussion and Pull up with all like the The basic answers to those questions how things are linked Just because it probably helps with the process of creating everything else So they know but from the very moment of conception not a lot of thought is put into it and it's it's Designed with the intent of never ever coming out Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it's even something they write down on on paper and don't put it in any official So here's a it's interesting. Um destroy it after the game's done Hold on. I want to look at the name of this voice actress real quick because that's relevant. Um Queens, who knows who I actually Oh a Cherubili is Sonia If you're wondering, no, actually, you know, I'm I'm I was mistaken that Queen Sonia If it's Minoru, it's Heather Gonzalez. I think Yes, yeah Yukari in persona three Which is coming in February, right? So I actually I was on my goddess podcast A while back and he brought on Heather Gonzalez and I asked her You know, what was what were the directions that you were given to voice this character? and I was curious because My perspective of of Minoru is that she's kind of playing like a motherly Like role more so like an aunt because I think Queen Sonia is more of like the motherlike character But I kind of asked her about that and they didn't tell her from what she told me, right? Because she is under NDA, but um from what she told me, um, she wasn't directed in the sense of like Oh, yeah, this is her aunt pretend to be her aunt or something, but she was told to be kind of like um Sort of like a a a um a role model, you know a A more mature female figure figure for her for Zelda For for Zelda. Yeah, so what the reason I get to this right is because I do think that they do have a certain They have it's not like the this is all cobbled together with no thinking behind it There is and they did want Queen Sonia And King Rauru and Minoru to have more of like a mentorship like role for zola. They did they did Right by mentorship and role model. Do you also mean like maternal? Yeah, I mean, I think Queen Sonia is basically like it. It's just like a I just wanted to clarify. Okay. Yeah, but Minoru is a sister of Rauru So that's why for her. I think it's the most more like an aunt kind of thing. Yeah, but Yeah, the point is is that she's supposed to be A mother figure, you know For for Zelda and while my point is that why they didn't say specifically mother figure um to tell her how to act they gave her certain descriptors that would be they would fit under the kind of like a you know a A a a you know a mature female figure that's being meant to be a mentor, right? Which would You know fall under something like that Point being yes, they do put thought into how the how the character dynamics work. They do. Oh, yeah, definitely Yeah, uh thoughts and about how the story should be handled Yeah, the the memories and tears of the kingdom are like I've said this in a few videos of mine I think the memories and tears of the kingdom Are directed written and acted Leagues better than they were in Breath of the Wild The whole like interactions and the relationships done in the tears of the kingdom memories Far surpass the ones in Breath of the Wild and even the breath of the wild cutscenes and memories are pretty good But I think it's the kingdom. It's a good point. You bring up I actually because there were moments in the Breath of the Wild um flashbacks that I I was like, oh, that's a little awkward here and there but I still love them overall I didn't I didn't experience any awkwardness with the cutscenes in tears of the kingdom Say for the imprisoning war stuff How did you guys go about memories? Did you look them up to make sure you're doing the right order? No, I felt that it was every time I went up to a sky view tower if I saw a memory I would skydive to that geoglyph and also when you do the one of the first side quests where uh Infa takes you to the temple. That's fun. They show you the order in the temple You know, it's funny. Yep. Is I went to the temple after getting the last I didn't have the camera to take a picture of it You could take notes like the original No, I just I just thought it was tedious to the last memory. I figured they already told me. So what's that? I got the last memory you can find before doing like the side quest I got the last one you can find up to that point was the first one I found because it's right to the north of Hyrule Castle Yeah I was like, oh, I was like and I didn't know have the context So I thought that took place right after Lincoln Zelda got separated In the sky first scenes for me that I that I ran into was the one where Sonya was already dead And then when I figured out that was the last one I I pieced up together I was kind of annoyed but like you that kind of proves that you could go completely the wrong order and still not have it ruined I I kind of wished that I that I got to see all the scenes in order But once I did the whole quest and I saw the one that they saved for when you do it did everything I was like no, I still I still felt greatly impacted even though I kind of knew what was going to happen because You know, it was very clearly foreshadowed Um, yeah, so I think it was it was still good. I think they could have done slightly better Yeah, they were definitely but overall it's I will say one small continuity a run You have a screenshot function on your switch, Nate, but all right go ahead one small continuity thing Which kind of annoyed me just a little with the memories When uh, Ganondorf ah When Ganondorf came to the castle did his whole thing and then he leaves And then Raura was like, yeah, yeah, you can go Ganondorf go do do whatever and then Zelda's like Oh, Raura. I don't know about this guy. His name Gives me pause or something. I'm like Zelda his name is Ganondorf Do you not remember Calamity Ganon? Like do you not? Like all right Is that all you're gonna say to Raaru after meeting a man named Ganondorf in the past? That that also kind of was like Yeah Maybe maybe maybe Ganon is like John in Hyrule. Yeah So like Ganondorf is like Jonathan Ganon is you know what I mean, man. It's like a common thing. Yeah Yeah, but but then again Like him being the only Gerudo every 100 years. I'm like who else? like Well, the Calamity Ganon was wasn't wasn't a Gerudo. It was more of like a Being like a pig. Yeah, but I don't um That brings up the whole other theory like were there a Gerudo after This Ganon like this Ganondorf we saw in Tears of the Kingdom. I don't think so because I don't think that this is Like I don't think this Ganondorf predates a green of time Ganondorf So I think after Tears of the Kingdom Ganondorf there were no Gerudo until Maybe after Tears of the Kingdom, but I don't know we saw the we saw I don't know I don't want to get into spoilers right now I I think I just heard a bunch of things that I strongly disagree with but it's fine That's a that's a discussion for another time. Yeah You know, sorry, I'm sitting over here completely distracted because you know that firmware updates 17.0 that dropped But did nothing? Yeah, you see did nothing publicly Right, of course. That's why it's a awful update And they didn't really do nothing it did nothing for you Okay, setting that aside um A bunch of things that changed on the back end actually have to do with the next switch Oh, oh, okay. Nothing. No, by the way, it's nothing happened It's nothing to like Be like, oh my gosh Get crazy. Here's some cool features. It's just some things that they updated Um that are that are going to show certain things moving forward Um such as obviously the entire operating system Yeah, they said I don't even know if we're making a video on it related to that about something you tweeted But basically the nso app is one of the big ones that was updated to be the exact same app on both systems so And it's so confirmed moving forward Not that we didn't okay. Maybe maybe maybe it is um, um more video worthy. Um, yeah I'm just digging into it now with people who actually know what the hell they're talking about so i'm trying to I'm like, why am I doing this during the show? This is so dumb. I don't You tweeted the other day the pro controller icon at the mario wonder demo Yeah That means nothing. I'm pretty sure that's nothing That's I mean even the switch logo is not correct technically in that in that art. It's weird Nothing, it's a very weird Like why it just artistic interpretation whoever they had it's just a very weird overall Got it. Got it. I think you're just wanting to check it. Yeah, I will say though I feel like it but it's it's it's an awesome. I mean how much in advance is the company going to start Updating their form where their firmware on the back end to prepare for another platform Well, it has it's all connected because they're using the same sdk the same software development kit for both so like That's basically there's just a bunch of updates on the back end that change terminology and change Unique thing about the switch going to switch to is nintendo really I guess maybe with like The ds 3ds kind of Not really but they've never had a continuous Ecosystem like the way sony's had the playstation network. Yeah, right? It all the console has always been connected to that going back so far The e shop doesn't connect to the we u e shop. I mean it's called the same thing, but it's really not the same thing Yeah So this is the first time they're like, okay, let's do what everyone else has done for years and just yeah Keep the the same system going forward. So this is the first time Yeah, so to answer your question andre it's like how far in advance do you need to The plan for that? I think typically you don't need to plan for it really Unless your nintendo and it's the first the first time you've ever done it And it kind of makes more sense that I also think that like With that being primarily what this update is about is just updating things behind the scenes for the next thing It's also sort of one of those. Oh, well, this indicates the next thing is obviously coming Like you've been waiting for It's common They're prepping they're prepping for this next system. It's already being prepped this year and I'm just Don't know when it's coming, of course. There's no indication. I want to obviously release the thing but It is interesting that they're prepping the current operating system to You know on the switch right now For the next system a little bit behind the scenes. It's just kind of interesting that they're doing that Obviously, there's going to be a lot of similarities It makes sense because they definitely need it to be a seamless transition It makes sense that they would start doing this that way on the back end that they can start It has to be seamless. Yeah. Yeah, so I got to do some more research into it But you know, I was already had some stuff gathered for a video So I just add to the videos already working on do you think that this lens credence to Backwards compatibility they're influencing it this early because they want to test how the backwards compatibility works with digital titles and things like that I don't know. Hopefully But do you think it would it makes it more likely? I think it was always likely that it was happening I agree. Do you think it makes it more likely now or the same the same Likely there was okay. I mean, it's interesting because if the inference here is that the nso apps It's going to be the same between both platforms because that makes sense So I'm not to have two separate nso apps with just one continuous one between platforms. Well, that means nso is forwards compatible That's a bunch of games Then what else is forwards compatible? Yeah, exactly. I guess that was a much better way of saying what I was trying to say Yeah, uh, we had a five dollar super chat just coming from j2 blue wonder Uh, who said how much do you think it matters that the next gen system keeps the switch branding? Well, we already know how you feel about it switch to is the only direction I feel there is But I'm probably wrong because they never they never never does the Hey, nade, do you remember that video you made last year about the switch forward? Do you remember that? You know, you know You know how many rumors I've covered I know, no, I'm just asking you if you remember it. Why would I remember that one? I don't want the name switch forward But I don't want to do 100 see them Calling I'm gonna click that and play it on the podcast every week that I don't remember a rumor I cover when I I'll find it. It was sometime last year saying I 100% can see them calling the new switch to switch forward Every time he says it has to be the switch to I'm just gonna play it. Yeah I never 100% said it's gonna be such a bad It needs to be in order to be successful Switch to yeah, so yeah. Yes. Yeah switch to it needs to be so I think it's the thing that leads to the most bad. Nintendo was that naming their Uh systems I can totally see them calling it switch for anyways, so the question the switch branding on it's only how important is it that they keep that You know, like play station keeps play station It would be very forward The question isn't if they will as if it if it will be helpful, right? I think that's that's an important distinction. Um I mean it does matter. I mean that that I will say a lot The nintendo is definitely their key thing because people don't call the play station the sony play station People don't call xbox the microsoft xbox But every freaking switch video on youtube it's it's people call it nintendo switch So the title well, that's that that's due to search terminology But like in person nobody tells to ask me if I have a nintendo switch They just say where's your switch? I hear us saying nintendo switch all the time. We never say sony play station That's true. We reference it as nintendo switch. Yeah. Yeah, we're like a bit of one thing. I'm retiring Well, no, but yeah, I remember like nintendo has put their name in the branding of their systems Right, right like technically when you see a ps5 logo just as playstation 5 It doesn't see sony playstation 5 when you see nintendo switch logo. It says literally nintendo switch That's what that's exactly what i'm saying is that the only exception i'd say to that is like some of their handhelds You don't say the nintendo game. Yeah, that's true. They don't say nintendo game boy That you even nintendo dds Even nintendo ds that I don't think it was in the logo was it I'm not sure. I'll have to look up the nintendo ds logo 3ds for sure No one everyone for the most part 90 percent of the time. Oh, it was in the logo. It was in the logo for ds Was it for 3ds? Let's see here I don't remember because I never referenced it as that. Yeah, exactly. It was in the 3ds logo too. Yeah I it's interesting. Um, just because nintendo has put their name so forward like that, but I honestly I look does the switch branding matter? Yes, because it represents Overall what the family of systems is which is a portable hybrid that you could take with you and dock with your tv And if that's what you're going to keep making moving forward Then I think it's really important you maintain that branding because branding recognition is Something that you can't really fully ever replace and we see nintendo try to replace their own branding several times And not really be able to do it or use branding that they killed You know we you um With a system that really wasn't the same sort of concept system as an example If they want to turn the we and our next system would have been more like motion control e You know more like even having more towards the vr segment, but like happy if it's on motion controls Yeah, another we name could make sense for that because that's like a natural evolution of what we was doing But that's not the direction they went. They went to traditional controllers with a screen Which is like not at all what we was and again, that's just another problem with the we you branding but um, it's interesting thinking about the importance of brand recognition like as an example Um, you know, we just call things iphone. Everyone knows they're apple Everyone knows apple Right um And the iphone itself or the ipad or whatever that these are household brands that when you're making similar samey products You're going to keep using that brand. I think that's what I think that's the same for switch switches Branding relevance hasn't gone anywhere software still selling like crazy even like this long into it The system's still selling pretty well considering how how long it's been Thing that could make nintendo nervous about that is that's exactly what they felt about the we And there are so many things that are different than that. There's yeah, I I think shantara furukawa is At least I hope he is we're about to find out. I think he's a very shrewd businessman I think he is because he brought it up himself the cliff nintendo always falls off of he's been at nintendo long enough As a numbers guy to see the cliff happen like several times under owata And he said that's my number one goal is to not let that happen and I and I think um, he's examined a lot of the situations on Um, I'm assuming outside of nintendo like how did other successful tech products move on to their next product and maintain momentum Something we see in the chat every time this topic comes up is like people are like, oh, what about the super nintendo switch or super switch? The reason I hate that is because it just sounds like a switch pro It doesn't necessarily distinguish itself as a new system Which is your entire point, which is why you have to go with switch too because it makes it clear that it is a new system Especially a company with nintendo that does make sure that it's the next switch and you could argue well New nintendo. Okay, drop that new shit get that especially to the average consumer. I I'm telling you they're gonna call it switch forward Oh, here we go That's that's why you brought up the rumor because you're sold on that being the name, aren't you? No, no, I I'm not if if it is if it is the real name. I will be very Well, I mean, I absolutely think that the switch branding is important because Let's be serious for a moment. Okay The strongest branding nintendo probably ever had was the ds right 150 500 Second best-selling video game console of all time very strong branding the problem they had is that Felt cool at the time because of the touchscreen, but by the time the 3ds came out We all had touchscreens in our pocket. We were walking around with them So it the novelty of needing two screens and one being a touch and one not being a touch Really wasn't that big of a deal and that sort of wore off the novelty of switch hasn't worn off We're seven eight years in It's not even a novelty. It's not even a novelty. It's a convenience. It's essential Oh at this point. Yeah. Yeah, like and other companies are copying it You know, it's so many it might not only be doing like the little streaming tablet thing But we're looking at all these gaming PCs that you can dock and use the monitors and stuff It's it to me. This is one of those things where nintendo hit on something the market Was ready for and didn't really have anything serving it nintendo proved that market exists and now they can sort of own it and It would be dumb to abandon the branding That owns that market and try to have a completely different branding that people don't associate with that market right now Which is the biggest brand in In hybrid handheld systems. It's the biggest brand back up to back up your point even more Nate is like The problem is you're right. So switch is The brand and if you go with anything other than two It could come across as just the pro version of a switch Yeah Okay Sounds like an upgraded version of the switch. It doesn't sound like a new console. Yeah switch two is like, oh dude I got to get that new switch The only way to keep switching the branding and make it clear to not to us not to the people that play video games at the time but to the average consumer That and and that is very important to nintendo because so many people that don't play video games bought a switch Play animal crossing or whatever or to play mario kart with their friends because they missed playing nintendo To make it clear that this is a brand new next gen console Is to add to that's the only thing you can add to it anything else you just want to note something So, uh, the thumbs up is appropriate here because uh for the first time in podcast history Not only did me and jake agree on something me and audras agreed on something earlier as well. This is uh This is crazy Now it's just me and nishwick got to give them the same page and remember we have the whole the whole, you know Quad tuplet here going on. Um We had another Is zeno blade the best rpg series i love nintendo Is no wait you guys both both said something to me at the same time Sorry, well, i'm just trying to get i'm just trying to make dreams happen Nate do you agree that zeno blade is the best rpg series nintendo has? Oh a hundred percent, you know This was a question for nate. I already know what your answer is We know you you and zeno blade like Two pieces together I want to know your answer. They don't what other rpg's do they even have active fire emblem? Oh fire emblem pokemon. Yeah, okay. So what was the question again? Is zeno blade the best rpg series nintendo has the best rpg series. I mean do we count paper mario? Yeah, yeah, I guess you are in the leegee Well, you're saying active paper mario is now more active than it was Yeah, paper mario. There are mario's active paper mario's active a fire emblem Which is a tactical rpg, but it is an rpg Um, and then obviously we have zeno blade Fire emblem fire. Yeah, I said fire emblem already pokemon We have like three or four of them pokemon obviously pokemon's probably the most important But that wasn't the question the question was which one's the best Quality gaming experience. Oh, i'm excited for this answer I'm surprised you're even like debating it You you have a zeno blade super fan in the podcast Because I like fire emblem better than zeno blade Hey fire emblem is pretty good. Well, here's the thing It's a tactical rpg and I don't really consider it the same thing as zeno blade even though they're both rpg Like I like fire emblem more. I enjoy let me put it this way I enjoy fire emblem because I like tactical rpg's way more than traditional j rpg's Like I love them way more than that. So like I really love fire emblem. Yeah, zeno blade combat is not very Approachable, I will say I will give zeno blade is Oh, let me let me just say I I beat zeno blade chronicles x I Um, I haven't beat zeno blade one two or three zeno blade combat is a mobile game And the thing is and the thing is I'll tell you why One thing I've noticed because I loved rpg's growing up and j rpg. Oh, I love all this stuff growing up For me personally as I've gotten older the systems are too complicated now. Yeah It's too complicated now. I I need to be simplified They gotta be but I might want to play an easy mode. That's not the way the game was intended Like the systems are just overly complicated now for me to understand what the hell i'm doing you completed x then Yeah, I know the most complicated x is a different time of my life X is a different time of my life So when one came out I was in college and I just picked it up and didn't really play a lot of video games Um, but when when x came out that was Hey day of we you and zelda informer and I literally was playing we you like 20 hours In my opinion is the best zeno blade game that's it's the best it's the best exclusive game Here's the thing. Oh, yeah When I go play zeno blade x today, I can't play it for more than an hour because I I always need to like No bestiality based video game is zeno blade one. Oh, here we go. Um So Anyway, so for me like fire emblem z like the answer technically to your but like Look zeno blades more critically acclaimed right like the general populace is going to say it's zeno blade Clearly I will you know at least learn more about you even though I couldn't get us I'll say this When it comes to their their mechanics and yeah I will agree fire emblem is more approachable gameplay wise and zeno blade is but I'll say this zeno blade is easily The best nintendo has going for its story Wise for any of their franchises right now More than zelda more than fire emblem more than Like metroid or anything zeno blade is Obviously 99 The story of how The zeno blade has an entire race of people where if you're the king It's required that you have children with at least one other species. Oh my gosh. All right So, uh, samuel talks about games uses member chap to get in uh switch to release timing and announce timing predictions Uh, he predicts march reveal for a september release Uh, and it won't be called switch to sadly You know what we should I should even brought this one up you just for anyways Let's get let's get to what the actual thing was though switch to release timing and announce timing. So Prediction when is it coming out? When are they announcing it? It's getting it's getting it's coming out tomorrow It's gonna be um revealed next month I I really hope they say something substantial by march because you know the whole nat the hate march thing I I would like if we Wait, I want I want to ask you guys this. Do you guys still believe the november thing with the amiibo november thing? I never had Here's the thing. It's just speculation based on prior announcements of things Technically we we're not gonna know. We'll know in the next month like that. Yeah, it's one of those things I never believed I talk about it either happens Or it doesn't like there there's no in between but we don't know right? So that's why we talk about We'll find out there's evidence. There's there's there's supporting evidence. There's strong speculative evidence That something is gonna be announced. It doesn't have to be a new platform Something's gonna be announced. Yeah I'm very vocal on here that I've Thought it would be in march, but I gotta admit with everything that's come out. I feel like it has to be actual release Is probably September Okay Look, I think april april announcement launching in august Yeah, I I'd say it's right around there probably That's kind of what I'm feeling right now. However, it could be sooner You know, we have we have these stk updates from from the ding You know recent update the switch has to do the next system we got Um, obviously dev units are out there like crazy. Um, you know, they're demoing it to a bunch of developers Uh You know It does launch unlike The ps5 and xbox were it'll be ready to go. I'm sure they'll have a great launch lineup Yep, there won't be any missing features like Headphones that launch that they won't add until five years in Exactly when I was crazy a year from now It's gonna be in our hands probably it's october if like even if it's even if it's not in our hands You're from no, it's gonna be about to come out like oh my god. I'm lining up tomorrow night Right. We're literally gonna be doing the podcast from our phones waiting in line Oh man, yeah, I don't big is the nintendo prime podcast going to be the Wednesday after they announced switch to I might not be very big because well the Wednesday after it's announced Yeah, everyone's gonna also all anyone's gonna want to talk about once. Yeah That's all of what the entirety of gaming twitter is going to be I'll say my biggest live stream will probably be when I stream me at the midnight launch That'll probably be my biggest live stream ever because when I did it for ps5 and for xbox Dude, we have like 1500 1600 people watching and that's not even in that wasn't even nintendo systems So when it's a nintendo system, I'm taking notes. I've never I've never I do it for my phone There's a I literally have a second phone specifically just to stream off it when I'm when I'm waiting in line Yeah, yeah, although I will I make my setup more complicated? I don't I don't even want to think about How many viewers I'm gonna have on that live stream Yeah Jake will be like do pre-order live streams. Yeah That's what I'm gonna be helping everybody He might have like 40k I wanted to ask you jake because like a lot of my friends have been telling me like oh man It's gonna be so hard to get a switch to it's gonna be so hard How difficult do you think it's going to be to get a switch to versus how it was for ps5 and series x? I think It will be easier Yeah, but I think that recency bias will make people be like this. It's just as hard Because it is most people won't get it I'll say this they want pre-orders available in store. So it's automatically easier Yeah, because you can just go to your local store. You don't have to fight with people online if you don't want to Also, that was during a pandemic with chip shortages, which are exactly it's not gonna be it's gonna it's gonna be easier Yeah, it's not gonna be like, oh you can't pre-order a PlayStation 5 in store. It's all online for context of this I have people saying like the spider-man PS5 plates were way harder than the ps5 ever was and they they're the hardest thing that it could get in a very long time But they when they're not nearly as hard as it was the the spider-man plates are not as hard to get and And the ps5 is being scalped for like over a thousand the the plates are being scalped for like 200 You know, so that that shows in itself And they've had restocks and people are acting like it's harder than the ps5 ever was and I'm like you guys just have It's recency buys. Yeah, they don't remember what to do. It's gonna be way easier than that launch But but the people that don't get it put it this way. I'll have my hands on multiple pre-orders, which we're already telling you It's easier Yeah, right Yeah, I think it's a giveaway have reports that nintendo wants to really build up a lot right like they stock If they do in september they will Yeah, yeah Yeah, it's it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting You know, that was one of the reports that nintendo wants to have more stock at launch than they've ever had before Is what's that gonna do? I don't know. It's just gonna put more switches in the market They'll sell them all As long as they do in-store pre-orders, I don't worry about anything because not just because I live in a smaller town So it's easier to like try to be one of the first people to get pre-orders in it's just because fighting with millions online is Harder than fighting with like a hundred people that try to want a pre-order from the same store Like you could literally just go camp out and get your pre-order in if you want And you just know you guarantee it versus like online where you hope you're going to go through checkout and Yeah, and I know those all the tips jake went through all the tips of the ps5 and also yeah All that stuff there's all those tips to get through checkout and get through this and that but You're competing with bots. You're not competing with bots at an in-person store So yeah, it's it's as long as they do that. I don't really care I also Also a key thing to remember and I don't know what they're going to do at this time. They did this with switch in my area Walmart 24 hour walmart's so they they take they take pre-orders, but they always have extra consoles on top at launch They never pre-order out every system. They're going to get So if you're willing to go away to the 24 hour walmart, you can literally walk into midnight and get it I mean actually He has five and series x as well. I think right and especially the halo edition series x Yeah, there was lines like wrapped around best fives on that release. Yeah. Yeah, there was yeah, so So we'll see obviously, you know the hype the hype will go crazy whenever they decide to announce this thing Should be announced within this first six months of next year You would figure so yeah It's no later than june if it's going to be a holiday release. So Should be uh, should be quite crazy. We have we have no idea when it's going to come it's it's going to be absolutely nuts when it does and uh All right, I gotta roll when that happens. It'll it'll be really nice Hopefully I no longer have a keg when that happens. Um Anyways, well, that's going to do it for the internal prime podcast this week episode 41 if you guys want to check out The podcast anywhere podcast I heard we have the audio version that goes up on pretty much everything I'd say google podcast but they closed it. So i'm sorry Um, but it's everywhere else But before we sign out here, let's go around the room let people know what you got going on where they could find you Uh, jake with the cake. I believe you have something happening here soon that people might want to go watch Oh, yeah, um, you can find me jake randal on youtube or twitter slash x And uh, I'm doing a couple live streams. I think I'm going to be doing Uh, I'm I'm considering doing a playthrough of uh Miles flat iron man miles morales on saturday But the big one is next saturday the 21st I'm streaming for 12 hours straight to do a full playthrough of the quarry Which is a horror game for halloween It's a choose your own adventure game Um, where you have choices and every choice will be a poll in the chat where the chat What what happens so it's basically we're playing through it together majority rules Whatever you guys say Even if you tell me the the wrong stuff whatever people vote, that's what we're going to do And I've never played the game before so that's that's a good idea That's the same devs as until dawn, right? I think so Yes, and I did the same thing with until dawn a couple years ago And it was really fun and I wanted to do it last year and I I didn't so Now we're doing one more thing about that is every hour during the 12 hours on the hour. I'm giving away a brand new ps5 game So three copies of the quarry Are going to be included a bunch a bunch other stuff, so It's going to be Gaming Fest over there. Go go watch Exactly. I'm I'm sure I'll I literally just I literally just land based on myself say they except you actually get your prizes I'm still shipping stuff from last year, so It's a problem over here. Um Nish Quick Pops, what you got going on? Where can they find you? Mr. Zeno blade? Yeah, uh, I'm nish quick pops a k Mr. Zeno blade you can find me on youtube at nish quick pops and twitter slash x and instagram at nish quick pops Also tiktok. I've been seeing some success with youtube shorts and short form content on tiktok and youtube shorts, but yeah, I talk Nintendo and jrpgs Instagram over here. Hello. Yeah, definitely check out his instagram everybody yeah, but um Yeah, nintendo and jrpgs. I haven't talked much about zelda or nintendo in a while I've been on the jrpg binge I talked about like games like tales of a rise and some other games. I don't even oh, I did a really I did a very like serious and like very kind of I I made a pokemon video basically and I was not beating around the bush. I was saying like game freaking used to change I'm very upset with Scarlett sucks Yeah, and It actually did oh you guys agree on something Yeah, there you go trifecta. We all agreed with you on one thing. Yeah, but yeah, you guys Pokemon you guys should check out that video And yeah, there's nothing else. Yeah Double fist pump. Yeah I'll do it like that. Yeah I was about to yarn for a second Back off a little bit. I keep it clean. I will say this You guys are excited for persona 3 reload Check out my channel because I'll be talking about that game Quite a bit near the end of this year and approaching February. So yeah, I love persona Oh, yes, I'm very very excited for reload Especially since this is the first time I'm playing Persona 3. I've never played vanilla fez or portable So this is my first persona 3 experience They cut the fez content, right? It's not in it They cut out the answer and they cut out fem C. That's all they took out Basically, most of everything else is in the game all the quality of life stuff from fez Like igus's social link and then the part-time job stuff and all that stuff from fez Oh, sorry, wasn't there only the female protagonist and the answer epilogue are not in it Which I think I think it's fine because Yeah, I mean they're adding so much new stuff into this and it looks amazing. Oh, yeah I'm just restart. We got going on. We're gonna find you Um, you can find me at Andres restart That is the truth That's uh Pretty much all I got to say I talk about Nintendo every day So check me out. Wow. You sound so excited about your channel, man You're so hyped for what he does for a living. It's so cool. You know what I'm gonna be more hyped You should check out the Andres restart podcast every monday at 7 p.m. Central on his channel It is a hoot and oftentimes he's talking about exactly what we're gonna talk about on this show Just a few days earlier with his friend Brandon and who knows other special guests that he sometimes drags into the boat Oh and uh Go watch his last three videos because they're all bangers and they should all have Video on zelda remakes. It's really good. You guys should check that anger I hardly know where You know what you're gonna get up right up close and personal aren't you with the trifecta Anyway, thanks guys All right. Well, that's gonna do it. Thank you guys so much for tuning in and uh, we'll be back same time next week But it's a special episode. Oh, yes We got Andres restart. We got jake randall should be eric more back assuming he's doing better We'll hopefully he's doing better. We also have rgt 85 coming on that, you know, apparently I pulled them in But you know what the biggest he's named Nintendo youtuber and changed it every time he tries to change it back Rgt is the best you'd you'd probably find that funny. Um And then we have reviewed that usa coming on yep as well So we got a we got a six pack next week. It's gonna be a lot of fun. I actually won't have to talk that much I'll just get the sit back and laugh and actually do what i'm supposed to do as host Drive the conversation, but not be the conversation Do you I'm not very good at being the conversation. I'm kind of a dick All right. All right guys, we'll catch you next week boldest gay game of the year