 November 19th, regular council meeting. Clerk, will you read the quote of the day? As you expect, oh my goodness, as we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. Thank you. Clerk, will you call the roll? Let's give this a try this time. 11 present. A quorum is just present. Tonight, first of all, we have a Boy Scout troop that is joining us, 890 from St. Clemens and Holy Name Church. Could you guys wanna stand up for a second? We'll just be recognized. Thank you and welcome here tonight. Thank you. We also have a Girl Scout troop, 8704, that would come forward and will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. The republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you very much. Next on the agenda, approval of the minutes, all of them in hand. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to approve the minutes of the previous council meeting. Second. It's been moved and seconded to approve the minutes of the previous council meeting. Is there any discussion, changes, or additions? Hearing none, clerk will call the roll. I age two, some date. Thanks, Bill. 11, ayes. Motion carried. Resignations. City attorney. Thank you, Your Honor. The mayor received an email message from Pastor Mario Shetolo, advising that for personal reasons, he needed to resign from the mayor's international committee. All of them in hand. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to accept and file. Second. It's been moved and seconded to accept and file the resignation. Clerk will call the roll. 11 ayes. Motion carried. Mayor appointments, there are none this evening. Public forum, City Clerk. Okay, this evening we have two on public forum. First will be Milt Storm. Milt, if you could come up to the front podium, please. And Milt, can I have your home address? 1736 Marvin Court. Okay, and you will have five minutes. I want to thank the mayor and Sue Richards for giving me this opportunity to address this council this evening, turn the page. The issue that I'm thinking about discussing this evening is the budget and the controversial garbage fee. Before I do that, I am quite intrigued this afternoon that fewer persons are not taking advantage of the public forum. Having three different dictionaries, I looked up how public forums were started. To my amazement, they were surprisingly used in biblical times. The definition of public forum was pertained to people of a nation, state or local communities. The dictionaries also mentioned it is a meeting of the people to discuss issues. Be they open, well-known, non-secured or noteworthy, which is now being replaced by the term notorious. I will choose to use the latter definition of notorious. Tonight, my issue is with the budget and the garbage fee. The mayor's response was to keep his rhetorical campaign promise, which in my opinion is of a little value and only political speaking to win and gain some talking points. In my opinion, an efficient cost saving is to reduce the department heads and city employees who receive more than $55,000 salary. They would be reduced to two and a half to 3% like my social security. Also, they need to pay more for their benefits and their health insurance. Now this would require some hard bargaining with the unions. The only department to receive a two to 3% raise would be the city clerk's department and the fine ladies that work there. Revenue for that department could be raised by keeping the guard fee but reducing or providing a waiver of $3 a month instead of $5. Also, a six month evaluation would be made by the finance director to before raising the fees again for the next year. The mayor's position would remain full time to encourage qualified in village to lead the city. With more public input from the business leaders, responsible citizens, and the elderly citizens, I'm confident that we can move the city of Sheboyga in a more positive direction. I thank you for listening and hopefully the San Francisco 49ers will play exceptionally well this evening. Thank you, Mel. Thank you, Bill. Next on the list is Mike Brunette. Mike, if you could come up. Mike, can we get your home address please? 1925 Salt 26 Street. Okay, and you will have five minutes. All right, and it's like other than just being the weird guy that comes to the meetings and sits around and doesn't do nothing and makes comments, trying to tell what I'm really working on as a project of a study on Sheboyga based on the Middletown studies by Robert Merrill Lind from in the 1930s which is the most studied study in the history of studies, whatever that's worth. But it's basically, as I told the first person I talked to at the first panel, I went to Alderman Borden, that I'm here to look at everything open-ended, see what's going on and what's either gonna make a success or a failure of Sheboyga County. And it's like, I've been following this stuff since back in the day when I was the editor of the Centron and show I have no fear, this is hanging out of an open window with Joe Poseid driving the plane. Back in the days, while we were doing stories, the only real stories in town on the potential doming of downtown by a Mr. Livesey and such and all the redevelopment which most people don't remember. And it's like in politics is relatively new to me. This is one of my first really crappy but for in the day award-winning photos from the first campaign I covered what a kid named Ronald Reagan. So you can see how old I am. You guys like Paul Simon and my buddy John Kerry who I followed extensively. This is the biggest rally in history depending upon who you talk to, the biggest rally in the history of a political campaign that was in Madison. And it's basically a copy of what Bill Clinton did but slightly bigger. And one of my favorites would be I'm not running for president. This is from the day Tommy Thompson came out running for president. And in a month later said after nobody showed up to his press conference except me, my buddy, her she was shooting for Getty pictures and one other reporter and about three farmers he declared about four weeks later he's not sure if he's running for president and claims he never did. Later that day I was talking to a guy named Barack Obama at his first coming out party telling him, hey, don't trip on that little dog. If you turn around, I get a nice picture. You look good, we all win. He didn't turn around, didn't trip. I didn't get the picture, but it was cool. But bottom line is I'm looking at everything and I think in my opinion, I'm not really happy what's going on with the mayor's position because I think it's a very, very important position and I think everybody trying to gut it consistently is basically a bunch of crap. I mean, it's like every, I mean, constantly. I mean, for months and months, years and years it's like let's cut the responsibilities. Let's cut the pay, let's cut this. I was very happy to see Marilyn Donahue who was a little proposal where she actually had responsibilities there for the mayor. I was worried I was gonna see it and was gonna say he taps the keg at Al and Al's. He throws out the first pitch at the A's game and other than that the mayor just pretty much sits there. And it's like I think it's an important position. I don't know what Terry did that he should be getting a salary cut in half. I don't know why it should be half. I think it's one of the more important positions there isn't in politics, I think it's great. And even though I'm an idiot photographer my real masters was covering presidential politics and studying America. And it's kind of like whatever it's like I don't really know what I'm talking about in any front but it's like I really think it sucks that everybody's constantly trying to gut the mayor's position and that's all I have. Thank you, Mike. That's it. Thank you. We went to the consent agenda 2-1 through 2-16 Alderman Hem. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to accept and file all ROs, accept and adopt all ROCs and pass all resolutions. Second. It's been moved and seconded to accept and file all ROs accept and file all ROCs and pass all resolutions. Any discussion? Hearing none, clerk will call the roll. 2-1 through 2-16. 11 ayes. Motion carries. Communications and petitions 3-1 will be referred to the committee the whole. 4-1, RO from the city clerk submitted communication from the Sheboydon County submitting the appropriate sheets and levying appropriation taxes for the Sheboydon County. Alderman Hammond. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to accept and file. Second. It's been moved and seconded to accept and file the RO. Any discussion? Hearing none, clerk will call the roll. 11 ayes. Motion carries. 4-2 will be referred to public protection and safety. 4-3 and RO will lie over. 4-4 and 4-5 will be referred to finance. 4-6 through 4-10 will all be referred. Resolution's introduced. 5-1, resolution by Alderman Hammond will lie over and the resolution by Alderman Erasler authorizing the city to enter into a contract to be a new provider for stop-loss insurance will be referred to finance. 6-1, reports of committee report from law and licensing recommending denying taxi license number 9733, Alderman Vandewilly. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move that the RC be accepted and adopted. Second. It's been moved and seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted under discussion Alderman Vandewilly. Is Jonathan Schild here this evening? He is not here. He had two opportunities to appear before our committee and he did not show up to either of them. Thank you. Any other discussion? Hearing none, the clerk will call the roll. 11 ayes. Motion carries. Report of committee 6-2 from law and licensing recommending denying taxi driver license 7390, Alderman Vandewilly. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move that the RC be accepted and adopted. Second. It's been moved and seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted under discussion. Is Salvador Olivas here this evening? He's not here and that was the same situation. He had two opportunities to appear and did not show up to either of them. Thank you. Any other discussion? Hearing none, the clerk will call the roll. 11 ayes. Motion carries. 6-3, report of committee from law and licensing recommending denying taxi license number 9744, Alderman Vandewilly. I move that the RC be accepted and adopted. Second. It's been moved and seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted under discussion, Alderman Vandewilly. Is Andrea Mullins here this evening? She's not here. She also had two opportunities to appear and did not show up for either meeting. Thank you. Any other discussion? Hearing none, the clerk will call the roll. 11 ayes. Motion carries. Report of committee from law and licensing recommending denying beverage operator license number 4074, Alderman Vandewilly. I make a motion to file the current RC and grant the license. Second. It's been moved and seconded to accept. File the current. To file the RC and grant the license. Under discussion. What happened was this gentleman, he did not show up for either meeting but did contact the city attorney's office. He is being mixed up with another person with the same name and there was no reason for him to be called in front of us. Could we have that again, so you want the motion to read accept and adopt and grant the license? No. To file. To file and grant the license. It would be a file and then a grant it. Steve, do we need to make that in two separate motions? I think it'd be a good idea. Two. Yeah. So first we'll be to file the committee report. Motion to file the committee report. Thank you. And then let's just add the other one on. All those in favor signify by saying. Yeah. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carried. Now we'll need a motion to grant the license. Motion to grant the license. Second. Been moving seconded to grant the operator's license under discussion. Hearing none, clerk will call the roll. 11 ayes. Motion carries. Six five from salary and grievance. Recommend and filing documents. Submitting on general ordinance number 341213. Alderman. Racelier. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move that the RC be accepted and adopted. Second. Been moving seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted under discussion. Hearing none, clerk will call the roll. Six ayes, five noes. Motion carries. Report of committee by finance transferring appropriations in the 2012 budget. Alderman. Hammond. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move we accept and adopt and pass the resolution. Second. Been moving seconded to accept and file the committee report and pass the resolution. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the clerk will call the roll. 11 ayes. Motion carries. Ordinance of seven one will be referred to public protection and safety. On matters lied over. Alderman Hammond. We're talking about eight one. Eight one. Thank you. I'd like to take eight one through eight four if it's okay with Mr. Mayor. An explanation. These are just reports that we get from the various taxing authorities, LTC, Kohler and the Shpuginary School District for information only. So we could expedite things by taking them all as one. If that's acceptable, I'll make a motion to accept and file eight one through eight four. Second. Moving seconded to accept and file ROs eight one through eight four. Any discussion? Hearing none, the clerk will call the roll. 11 ayes. Motion carried. Eight five by Alderman Hammond approving adjustments to allowable tax levy for 2012 payable in 2013. Alderman Hammond. Thank you Mr. Mayor. I move we put the resolution upon its passage. Second. It's been moving seconded that resolution be put upon its passage. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the clerk will call the roll. 11 ayes. Motion carried. Eight six a resolution 96, 12, 13 from Alderman Raceler, establishing monthly premium equivalent rates for dental insurance, Alderman Raceler. Thank you Mr. Mayor. Can we take eight six and eight seven together? Yes we can. Okay and then I move that each resolution be put upon its passage. Second. It's been moved seconded that both resolutions eight six and eight seven be put upon their passage. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the clerk will call the roll. 11 ayes. Motion carries. Eight eight from the finance recommending ordering the 2013 budget appropriations for the city's Sheboygan funds. Alderman Hammond. Thank you Mr. Mayor. I move we accept and adopt the RC and put the resolution upon its passage. Second. It's been moved and seconded that we accept and adopt the RC and put the resolution upon its passage. Is there any discussion? Clerk will call the roll. 10 ayes. One no. Motion carries. Eight nine by finance recommending ordering the 2013 budget appropriations and the 2012 tax lead before using the calendar 2000 and passing the attached substitute resolution. Alderman Hammond. Thank you again. I move to accept and adopt and put the substitute resolution upon its passage. Second. It's been moved and seconded to accept and adopt and put the substitute resolution upon its passage. Is there any discussion? Alderman Born. Thank you Mayor Van Akron. I'm not gonna be supporting this budget. I appreciate what efforts you've made and I've also appreciate the efforts of the chief administrative officer and the finance committee and strategic fiscal planning. I was, I voted for last year's budget which included the garbage fee but when the vote came up to implement the garbage fee I voted against the garbage fee. I don't think enough attention has been paid to certain budgets. I think we've done a real good job the last year or so of going through the public works budget. A number of years ago there were substantial changes made to the leadership of the police department when the last chief retired and a couple of long serving dedicated deputy chiefs retired and also another couple of individuals in the police department when they retired they weren't in the police department they were not replaced. Back in 2008 late 2007 I guess it was middle of 2007 early 2008 when it came up for discussion before the council regarding the ambulance service in the document in the proposal from the fire department on the ambulance service was that they were they forecasted that they were gonna have 48% collected out of the accounts receivable and they said they stated in that proposal that if they did not meet the 48% in the receivables that in the following year or years that the council could deduct 1% from their budget for every percent that they were under the 48% Well it came out a couple of weeks ago that with the back and forth between a constituent and Mr. Amodio that the collections for 2011 I believe it was were 41%. Therefore if and this was not anybody on the council's idea this was the idea of the fire department at the time that if they did not meet that 48% that where they were to have 1% deducted from their next year's budget for every percent that they were below the 48% and looking at their budget for 2013 7% of their budget would come to a total of $527,850 the garbage fee is $869,000 so Mayor I would suggest that if you're looking for some dollars in the 2013 budget if this budget does not pass tonight and if it does pass you decide to veto the budget I would think you one of the first places you would want to look is at the fire department because if you take that 527,850 off of the 869 garbage fee that leaves a balance of another $341,150 that you would have to come up with to do away with the garbage fee for 2013. So mainly for that reason the two reasons number one I don't agree with the garbage she to begin with and number two I would encourage you and the finance committee and the strategic fiscal planning committee if this budget does not pass tonight to look there for some dollars in the areas I suggested thank you. Is there any other discussion? Any other discussion? Hearing none clerk will call the roll. Seven ayes, four noes. Motion fails. Need nine. Can we take a five minute recess? Back into Camine Alderman Van Ackert. Thank you Mr. Mayor as much as I don't agree with the. Can you speak a little louder? Yes thank you Mr. Mayor as much as I don't agree with the current budget I don't think we can just start over at this point so I'd like to make a motion to reconsider the last vote. It's been moved in seconded? Yes. To reconsider. Do we need a vote on the reconsideration? Yep, hold on just a second. All those in favor of the re... Just give me a second. Just give me a second. So is it a do over? All those in favor of the reconsideration of proof. It's gone. Push your buttons. Seven ayes, four noes. Motion carries. Then the motion is back on the floor for Alderman Hammond. To... Do we need to make a motion? No, motion would be back on to consider the prior vote for passage of eight, nine resolution from finance, accept an adopting and passing a substitute resolution. Clerk will call the roll. What is this? Alderman Hammond. I'm exploring. There was no motion or second yet so. We're going back to the original motion. Sub-motion to reconsider the last motion. The motion to reconsider was the last motion and it was seven to four. And now we're going to do eight point nine again, which is a motion to accept and adopt and pass. Do we need a motion for that or the previous motion still... I think it needs to be put on the floor again. Alderman Hammond. Thank you Mr. Mayor. I move to put the accept and adopt and put the substitute resolution upon this passage. Second. And move the second to accept and adopt with the substitute resolution on this passage. Clerk will call the roll. I don't see any lights, any discussion? Mine's not cooperating. Alderman Carlson. Alderman Hammond. You're very nice, thank you. And I appreciate Alderman Van Akron's willingness to put this back on the floor. I know that tonight we could go back and forth and we'd never get enough votes either way. So it gives us an opportunity to have the discussion. The only thing I would ask is since this is going to be passed you're the mayor you've indicated that you're gonna veto it and that's certainly within your purview and that the meeting would probably be Wednesday night out of courtesy for the employees, department heads in the council had asked that we don't have that meeting on Wednesday night and have that on the following Monday. So most of us can enjoy our Thanksgiving holidays. Many of us are traveling. So just ask that as a courtesy. Thank you very much. Thank you. Any other discussion? Alderman Born. Thank you. I'd like to ask Mr. Ramonio a question please. Sure. Mr. Ramonio. I guess my question Mr. Ramonio is my remark, my previous remarks is that seeing that the fire department did not meet their financial responsibility for the receivables for the ambulance service why are not they being held accountable for what they promised back in 2008 that they would lose a percent of their budget for every percent short of the 48%. Now I know you weren't here then but there are staff in your department that were here then and that should have been part of your discussions for this 2013 budget seeing that they did not meet their financial responsibility for the ambulance service. It's not a question of what, they're doing a fantastic job in providing the service. They're not meeting their financials that they said they were going to meet. So if you can answer why they're not being held responsible I would appreciate it. I don't have an answer for you Alderman Born because this is the first I've heard of that. So the first thing I'll do tomorrow is pull that document see what it says. And then we'll look at what it says in that document and based on what it says in that document see how the calculation should be performed for percent collected for revenue. Okay. Alderman Born anything else? That'll do it. Thank you Mr. Ramonio. Any other discussion? Hearing none, clerk will call the roll. Eight eyes, three nose, did not pass. Still did not pass. Motion fails. Under other matters. Nine one from the city column. He shared services on combined dispatch. Alderman Hammond. Thank you Mr. Mayor. I move to accept and adopt and direct the city attorney to work with the county to draft an agreement to be presented to the council in the future. Second. I said move and seconded to accept and file the committee report and instruct the city attorney to draft an agreement for the city colony services. Any discussion? Alderman Millinger. Thank you Mr. Mayor. I would just like an update on where things are at as far as the county side have they passed it or has it gone through any kind of committee? Is it, if you could, Alderman Hammond just give us an update of where things are at from that perspective? It did go to the law committee and the law committee came forward with a recommendation similar to this, telling the county attorney to draft an agreement that then would be forwarded to the county so that we both have the same agreement to go forward to both bodies. So they have passed it through their committee system to draft it. Any other discussion? Hearing none, clerk will call the roll. Nine ayes, one no, one abstention. The motion carries. Close session. Alderman Hammond. Steve has one more. I'm sorry, Steve has one more other matters. It's an RO by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30, 2013 and June 30, 2014. That will go to law and licensing. Alderman Hammond. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to convene into closed session of the exemption provided in the section 19.851E, Wisconsin statutes for the purpose of deliberating the possible sale of public property with competitive and bargaining reasons require a closed session. Second. The move is seconded that the, Try to say that. We go into closed session. Any discussion? We'll take a five minute recess to let the, I'm sorry. Clerk will call the roll. Aye's. We'll take a five minute recess to allow the people to.