 So my name is Alejandra Mora. I work as a local gender expert at SEAT but I also work for ILRI. I'm based in Manawa, Nicaragua and I work for the livestock and fish research program. We are working with the dual-purpose cattle value chain in Matiwass and Kamuapa which is located in the central area of Nicaragua. Where livestock is one of the most important economic activities but it's also very male dominated. We work with dairy cooperatives and with local organizations. I mainly work with a group of women that they try to influence local policies and most of them are livestock producers. What we have done, we have developed many workshops and they've been involved in many of the activities. I also work with men from the cooperatives and I try to engage them in some of the gender work that we do. But it's more difficult because there's a lot of resistance still to open up to the idea of gender. So I think it's important to figure out different ways to reach the people and especially men and come up with even different words that don't seem as threatening as gender and as feminism or those types of words that seem to be scary for some people. So one of the interesting things that we have done to engage men in gender work is we've developed these radio messages that we did with focus group discussions using techniques such as games and theater to get I guess more honest messages from them and in a very relaxed environment. I think it's better to have that environment to get a clear idea of how people feel and what they think. And we came up with two different radio messages that have been airing for the last six months in one of the territories and I think they've been well received. They challenge the way that farms are structured and gender-wise because they aim to recognize women's roles in livestock production which is one of the biggest challenges in the sector and to question masculinity ideas that men have and that actually create more gender differences. So in the end we aim to make women's work more visible and at the same time to get men to recognize the women's work but also to understand that it can be a joint work and it can be a teamwork and that power relations are more harmful than what they think. And I think people first need to realize this in a very natural way to then start changing and I think it's a very long process. I don't think it's something that you can do in a workshop or two. I think it's something that will probably take many years and well it's also not only the gender specialist work. I think it's something that everyone needs to be engaged in. Everyone in the teams and everyone who becomes a bit more aware of the issue. So first I think it's important to get the message across and then to really do something about it from the position that you're in which can be any kind of discipline or any sort of position in an organization.