 Hi, this is your host of the party and we are here at open source summit and then currently we have with us Anna Hermansen, you are our ecosystem manager at Life Research and it's great to have you on the show. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to talk. Yeah, me too. First of all, let's talk since you folks, you know, you work at Life Research. At this event or before this event, any major research work that you folks released, just give us an update on that. So we've had nine research reports released since January 2023. We've been pretty prolific this year. I think we're at 31 reports published since Hillary started LF research in 2021. So we've been doing a lot of work. The last few reports have been focused around the economic value of open source and how to actually quantify that, which turns out is very difficult to do. So we had a research report that came out earlier this year on that. We also had a accompanying report on that about the economic, how open source can help as a potential lever for economic recovery. And that got into conversations around where the government can come in to implement open source, which we've seen at open source summit North America. The government can play a really useful role in implementing open source and regulating around open source as the government of British Columbia has been doing. So lots of work in the economic recovery and economic around economic concerns that also came out in our tech talent report that was released just I think yesterday at open source summit North America. So we had a report that came out that surveyed hiring managers around their sense of hiring technology talent as we enter more economic recession and where priorities are being placed in this as there's less money to go around in terms of hiring developers. So that was a more recent report that we published. And we've also been working in the sustainability track. We were here under the sustainability con mini conference at OS SNA. And so we have a few initiatives coming out for the sustainable development goals and where open source fits into those. And we also have a few reports coming up down the road in micro grids and energy utility transformation readiness. So lots of work being done right now, but that's a high level overview of where we are. Of course, the boards play a very big role in understanding where the market is. It also helps the foundation to see where the invest resources. But if you look at Linux foundation, it's a foundation of foundations. Do you also work with different foundations within Linux foundation to collaborate with them? Like when you talk about talent, you know, the client's whole team, the training they work and sustainability, they're different teams, a lot of energy is there, ag stack is there. So do you work in an isolation or you work with other foundations of the Linux foundation also when you work on these reports? Yeah. So we work, we work depending on the research question and the industry, we work either within an industry vertical. So that might be collaborating with LF energy or LF training and certification. We also work within or across technology horizontals. So that may be with LF AI and data or hyper ledger. We're also releasing a study in the fall on hyper ledger brand. So we definitely don't work, it's hard to work in a silo, especially in an organization like the LF, which is such an umbrella of umbrellas and so we definitely work across technology horizontals, industry verticals and at a sustainability level we work as an ecosystem approach because it requires such multi-stakeholder collaborations. So definitely working across projects and across industries to answer research questions that make the most sense to these individuals and groups. And can you also talk about the rule that events like these play for your team, you know, when you bring your research, you can release the research online through white papers. But what additional value see when you come here and share with the community here? We do have a entirely open source mindset when it comes to our research, but also the way that we publish our research. All of our research goes on to data.world, which is a place where individuals can go and see aggregated anonymized data from our surveys. So we do take an open source approach as we should with our data and our research. But as you say, if it lives on the internet, it's very accessible, but sometimes it's hard to get the word out beyond using our channels. And so coming to Open Source Summit North America allows people to learn about LF research. You know, Hillary can run a keynote on LF research or we can run a session in the sustainability contract to talk about our research in this space. And so it's a huge component of knowledge translation is to have individuals in the room that may not have heard about us before or may not have been able to have participated in our research to say, hey, I actually have feedback on that research question or, you know, I'm going to take this evidence back to my, you know, Ospo leader back to my executives and to, you know, implement this kind of really data driven knowledge. And it's also a really great way to receive critiques about our research and to build off of that and gain new perspectives around what we're looking at. So yeah, coming to events like this is a really fantastic way to promote what we're working on and get more collaborators to work with us. You mentioned sustainable development goals twice earlier. So can you talk about, you know, some of the key findings that, you know, either it kind of attracted your attention and you're like, hey, this is what was expected or you're like, this is not that was expected. I think with the Sustainability Development Goals project we're working on where we're mapping all of LF's projects to the 17 different goals. It's almost like a can of worms where you open up one project and you realize this project actually fits into many other development goals or initiatives. And it's, as Hilary has also said, we have these projects that were born to be sustainability minded, you know, our open source climate egg stack are focused on sustainability issues. But then you also have other organizations like the Hyperledger Foundation that has projects that aren't necessarily sustainability focused, but lead to becoming sustainable implementations. Hyperledger Fabric and Pardon with Fujitsu to release a water sanitation project. So, you know, Hyperledger Fabric wasn't built to be purely a sustainability minded project, but there's so much that these foundations and these projects are doing and where they can be implemented that they actually touch a lot of different of these goals. So I think that's been the biggest learning. And I know our researcher is whose work, who is commissioned to do this is just finding so many, so many new insights in this space. So it's been really interesting to learn more about that. Can you talk about, you know, what are the search work that, of course, there are certain things that you can share this point, sort of thing you cannot share, it may be very early stage, but just, you know, what are the things that you folks are working on? Yeah, so we have, I think we have 12 surveys in in production in the field and being analyzed right now. So our quantitative data analysts are very busy right now. And it's across the spectrum of research questions. We have a few reports following the open source program offices evolution of the Ospo. And so we've been doing this research for a number of years now with the to do group. So we have a survey in field launched a few days ago here on evolution of the of the Ospo and how that's kind of evolved over the years that we've been doing this research. As I mentioned earlier, we have a hyper ledger brand study. So understanding where individuals are perceiving hyper ledger to have the most benefit, where its challenges are and really looking at a broad subset of people. And so we're actually avoiding surveying the hyper ledger community and instead going out to broader circles to understand generally what the consensus is around the hyper ledger brand and and its progress to date. We have a number of surveys. We have one global spotlight survey coming out and that will be segmented into different geographic regions. So that survey is in field right now and we will be turning the results of that into a general global survey report. We will also be turning a report out on Japan and on Europe. As we had last year, the Europe report. This will represent the second Europe report. But what will be exciting this year is that we have these other regions that we can that we've surveyed and that we can compare as we as we've been hearing throughout the conference recently, this fragmentation of open source is really something that that needs to be talked about and needs to be researched to understand how to how to move forward in a less fragmented way. We have a bunch coming out in the energy sector on microgrids and on utilities readiness to transform to clean energy. So lots across different industries and technologies. It's an exciting year for us. Thank you so much for taking time out today and share off course, the work that the research is doing. I'll also share some, you know, insight and, you know, the key, you know, take away from those research and also the importance of feedback. Thanks for sharing all those. And I would love to chat with you again whenever the next report is ready. Absolutely. Thank you so much. Really nice to chat with you.