 Alright, here we are, Winter Wonderland London, we're going to go ask some people about Christmas and what they think about eating animals. Let's go. Should everyone be more kind at Christmas time? Why? I think we should all kill each other at Christmas. I don't give a f**k. You don't care about animals? Any animal has best night. Even though I do eat meat, I'm not like a vegetarian. Let me talk, wait, wait, wait. You'll be vegan. Ciao, arrivedi vederci. So wondrous. So wintery. What's your name and where do you come from? My name's Joey. Do you want to be in an interview with us? What do you want to interview us about? About Christmas. What's your name and where do you come from? I come from Adelaide. Hello. Hello, what's your name? Abby, Robin. You're coming for an interview? Yeah, yeah. Why do you want to be interviewed? Because I want to be famous. You want to be famous? We're asking people, should you be kind at Christmas? Yeah, definitely should. Definitely should. Always. Always. 100%. Yeah, okay. Yeah, of course. You should always be kind, eh? I don't know, there's times, there's times. But I feel like in Christmas everyone's happy. Everyone's more happy, eh? Yeah, just f**king go along with it. We are Italian. Oh, Italy. I'm Italian. You are Italian. I'm half Italian. Half Italian. Do you speak Italian? No. Only a little bit. We're talking about carne. Carne. Yeah. Meat. Yeah, meat. I'm asking people why they eat animals at Christmas when we should be kind at Christmas? At Christmas, chicken. Yeah. But not chicken, turkey. Bird. Yeah. We have the tradition, my grandma prepares the turkey. It's better than all the grandmas in Italy. Do you eat animals at Christmas time? Where's Adelaide? Oh, are you vegan? What makes you say that? Because that's a very vegany question. Whoa, whoa, is it? Adelaide. Where's Adelaide? Where's Adelaide? Where's Adelaide? Australia. Wait there. Are you f**king vegan? What does Christmas mean to you? Is that a lame question? It means food and presents. Food and presents? Yeah, presents. What about like? Food and presents. Oh, like kindness? Yeah. Kindness? No, I just love giving presents. Is that kindness? Family? Compassion? What about compassion? You're a Canadian. Australian. Australian. I know him. I know him. Wait, you know me? I think I do. I think you're vegan. Oh, so you know what's coming then. What about two animals? Like dogs and cats? Oh yeah, for sure. Do you have cats? Dogs? No, I'm vegan every time. You're vegan? Yeah. So am I. So are you. And you? No, we're veg. Vegetarian. We're not fine to be animals. Should we be kind to animals as well? Oh, definitely. Yeah. We've just got a dog. Like dogs and cats, eh? Yeah. My dog's at home today. Does your dog get a Christmas present? Yes. And an advent calder. He will literally be, he's not spoiled by a little bit. He's basically a baby. What about dogs and cats? Should we be kind to dogs and cats? Always. Yes. Why? Because they're animals. They can experience kindness and... Feel it. They've got feelings. Okay. Who eats animals at Christmas time? Which one? The land's awesome. Hey brother. What new show is this? We're asking people, should they be more kind at Christmas time? Yes. I think we should all kill each other at Christmas time. Stop! Wait, we'll get there. We'll get there. We're nearly there. He's a psycho. Don't listen to him. Don't listen to what he says. Should you also be kind to dogs and cats at Christmas time? Yes! I have two dogs. Why? You have two dogs? I have two dogs. Why should you be nice to dogs? Because they are also human beings. They just don't know it. They're like personalities, aren't they? Yeah? What about other animals? Should we be kind to other animals at Christmas? Every animal in the world, except for... I think we should be kind. Except for Komodo dragons. That's disgusting. What about turkeys? I think... I don't like birds. Everyone kills turkeys at Christmas. Everyone does. Yeah, do you think they should? Do you think eating a turkey is kind? Yes. It's nice to do? It's very good. Yeah, but is it good for the turkey? No, but it's our tradition and humans have to eat meat, I think. You have to eat meat? What happens if you don't eat meat? Nothing, but... So nothing? Why would you have to? It's very good. It's part of our alimentation. What's the matter with eating animals at Christmas time? Everything. Well, isn't it about compassion, sharing, giving gifts and that? Survival of the fittest. Survival of the fittest? Really? Yes. Really? I'm the fittest. I'm the fittest. Do you think turkeys should have to die for Christmas? Right. For our celebration? It's not obliged for them to... What makes you say that? Well, if you think animals should die. You're vegan. Maybe I'm just a spokesperson. I thought you were projecting your views. I'm forcing my views. It's fine. We're okay with that. Wait a second. Who's been forced more? Turkeys don't have an opinion. Unfortunately. If they did, what would they say? Don't do it. Don't kill us. Don't do it. Don't kill us. Yeah. I'm going to walk away. Stay. Stay. Stay. Let me talk. I'm vegan. But do you like animals? Yeah. I'm not. Wait. Should you be kind to animals at Christmas time? You should. Always. I'm vegan. I'm vegan. You're a vegan? Yeah. Okay. It's hard to get a good interview these days. Yeah. So they know what's coming. A grilling. No, you're actually part of my interview because you're not vegan. And I'm talking to people who aren't vegan because being vegan, obviously, you oppose all the industries that torture and kill the animals. But the egg and dairy industries obviously torture and kill the animals. So I'm asking people about whether they should be kind at Christmas and why animals should have to be tortured and killed for them, especially around such a compassionate time of the year. Cows. Cows. Any animal has, personally, even though I do eat meat, I'm not like a vegetarian. That's where we go. Okay, we'll go on here. Those are our best friends. So what about the animals that you'll be eating at Christmas? Do they deserve kindness? They do deserve kindness. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Of course they do. And I feel I've been vegetarian for a while and I do agree with vegetarians. I think they should do if you've got the willpower to do it. But I've been brought up to eat meat and it's just something that we've really tried for a long time. But it's hard to get out when you already have it there. I get it. I feel like people talk negatively about people that are vegans. They're like, oh, vegans, etc. But I feel like that's the way everyone should go. It's just difficult. I mean, do you think it's a kind of choice? It is a kind of choice for the planet. We're trying to go... We're trying to go... Well, everything we've done sort of food-wise, we're going to places that do free-range stuff rather than just bulk. Like, who eats the animals? Who eats? Gay men, do you? No, I just don't. None of yous eat the animals. Okay, so you don't actually eat their bodies? We're going down that road, we're vegans. You're going down the vegan road? Are you? Oh, yeah, well, of course. Wouldn't it make sense, obviously, your biological extension of being kind and being kind to dogs and cats? You'd also be kind to other animals as well. Animals, yeah, of course. Especially when you've got choice. I mean, if you're in a survival situation, you probably don't have a choice but you have to eat the other animals. But the thing is we do make sense to choose to be kind. You can either choose to be cruel or choose to be kind. I was vegetarian and vegan for a really long time but I do think that it's part of, like, evolution to eat animals. To be... To hurt them. To kill them. Not to hurt them, but... To consume them. You know, because everyone kills them. Do you think we need to to survive, to eat animals? I don't think we need to. Can we survive without eating animals? Yeah. No, you can't. Well, yes or no. Because you need the protein that animals give to you in order to survive and there's not enough other sources but there's not enough for 7 billion people in the world to live off. How are they feeding the animals that people eat? With grass. Only grass. And hay and all that. Chickens eat grass. And wine for wagyu beans. In a factory farm, chickens are eating grass. Chickens are eating seeds which come from grass. They grow plants to feed to the animals, yeah? I'm asking that because you are a vegetarian or vegan. Why? How do you know? Maybe I eat animals, maybe I'm a hypocrite. Maybe I'm a hypocrite. Can I be fair? Yeah, yeah. I don't give a f***. You don't care? I like meat. I want to eat meat. You don't care about animals? Yes. So what about dogs? Do you care about dogs? No, I said if you want to imitate a turkey bend over and you bolt on the fat. Isn't that weird? That's actually a good point. Isn't that weird? No, we didn't want to have them. Humans, they stuff turkeys' bums full of bread. She's punching on. She's crazy. That was very funny. Here, take this actually. I'm giving out these so you can be vegan. You can be vegan at Christmas. You should be. Well, if you care about animals, you should be. You can scan that with your phone. It's just a Christmas pack. You can find all your vegan roasts for Christmas. Okay. She started saying something interesting about turkeys getting stuffed with bread in the behind. Turkey corpses. That's how people celebrate Thanksgiving and Christmas. Stuffing breadcrumbs into the backside of a turkey, which is pretty crazy. A dead turkey at that. And no one questions why we do it. No one ever questions it. They just do it. We're actually giving out these. You just scan it and it will show you where all the good vegan Christmas stuff is. Wait in London? In England. Alright. In Tesco and Seisbury. Well, you're a vegetarian. She's a vegetarian but I think you already know about the dairy and egg industries by now because you don't live under a rock, do you? No. You live in a house like normal people out with the internet. What happens to egg layers and dairy cows and stuff like that? No. You don't? I do. Do you know what happens to egg layers? I do, I do. And the male chicks in the egg industry, do you know what happens to the males? I don't. They get macerated in a big blender. I don't. They get blended up alive. The little male chicks when they first hatch, they get blended. I don't know. And the hens, the egg laying hens when they stop producing eggs they go to a gas chamber. They get killed and put into chicken nuggets. So the egg and dairy industry, yeah, it's horrible. You didn't know? It's already signed. It's already signed. Why didn't you tell them? Because I bet you already it's not worth it. You're vegan. I know I am. But I don't like it. You should tell them. It's as hard as it is. But then they know because they don't know they're being like by buying dairy and ex-harming the animals. Would you rather know or not know? No. Would you rather know and do something about it or not know? I'd rather know and do something about it. What is doing something just not buying eggs for free? Yeah, like well, all eggs even organic and free-range they do this to the animals. So we just juice tofu for scramble or get some vegan egg. You know, you're living in an amazing country with lots of vegan options in Tesco and Sainsbury and all the other supermarkets. You're doing well anyway. It's fine. You're doing well. I'm doing my bit. But I'll do more. Who's doing my bit? The girls are doing their bit. So easy to be vegan. It's really an injustice. So let's just say put it free-range, right? Let's just say your dog is pretty free-range. Imagine free-range dogs, right? I go and get free-range dogs for Christmas and they go to the slaughterhouse. Have you seen inside a slaughterhouse? Yes, I have. I've watched many videos. So you would still say that's not kind, yeah? That's not kind. No. That's not kind. Yeah, it's not kind, but it's kinder. It's kinder. It might be kinder. Yeah. It's not kind. But it's not kind. It's not kind. The human race eating meat is not kind. Like, we're like it's like a lion going when you watch animal documentaries and a lion goes and kills a little lamb. Lions are heartless, aren't they? Everyone's like, oh my God, they feel everyone's watching it like, oh my God, it's so sad. You're doing the same things to chickens or any other animal. But you think because everyone's a little step removed from it, aren't they? Remove. All the time. Ah! You tricked me. You're a vegan now? Yeah, a vegan from five years. Are you a vegetarian? I'm a veggie. Vegetarians? Yeah. Okay. Target audience here because I don't see a moral distinction between being vegetarian and eating meat. I think that if you can afford to be meat free. If you've got a choice, all right, if you've got a choice to be kind to the animals or to pay for them to be in a slaughterhouse to have their head cut off. Okay. What should you do? What should you do? There's a difference. You can source your meat from other places. Instead of chicken, slaughterhouses where they're cramped and like discussing it. You mean a factory farm like a nicer farm? If they're organic. A nicer organic chicken in a slaughterhouse is okay? A slaughterhouse where they roam free. If you get it from a specific farm. I get these dogs, right? You said be nice to dogs. Who's got dogs? You've got two dogs. They roam free? Do they take them for a walk? What if I took them to the slaughterhouse? Would that be kind? No, but I'm saying don't buy chickens from slaughterhouses. If you're going to eat chicken, get them from a nice place. I hope he uses my best friend. When they get killed, how do they get killed? They get killed. How do they get killed? They just crack their neck. Is that kind? No. No, but they've had a good life. Dogs have had a good life. Yeah. Can I crack their neck? Yeah, but can I crack their neck? That would be horrible. But you don't eat dogs. I would never do that. But I reckon that if you can afford the lifestyle of veganism and you can figure it out like... Well, that's a cheaper than animal products. That's the truth. No, no, no, no. I think it's a really cool lifestyle to lead. Rust is the cheapest food per calorie on Earth. I used to be vegan. I'm vegetarian. And what happened? My doctor said I had to eat meat until I was a fully-formed adult. Really? How old are you? I'm 15. Okay. You're taller than me. God. So... Trousers. Do you care about dogs? Yes. So if I said I don't give a f*** and just started torturing a dog, cutting the head off, would you care? Some types of animal I don't give a f***. Sorry. So only certain animals? Yeah. But like, which type of animal do you care about? Yes, yes, yes. Dogs. Do you care about... Yes, yes, yes. But like the cows, cows, chickens... You don't care about them? No. Okay. I'm sorry. They suffer the same. If I hurt a cow, they suffer the same as the dog. You are too politically correct for me. I don't care. No, that's okay. I don't care. Sorry. Would you try to stop me if I kick the dog? Yes. If I kick a dog, you would stop me? Yes, yes. Okay. Exactly. Do you say about you, I am an hypocrite. But if I kick a cow, you wouldn't stop me. You wouldn't care? No, yes. What's the difference between eating a dog and eating a cow or eating a turkey? You like more a dog because you have it at home and it's a tradition to... I don't know how to explain it. There's a tradition to eat dogs in Yulin in China. Yeah. Is that okay? Is that okay? No, no. It's not okay. No. But why? What's the difference? I'm glad you know now because you seem very surprised and... I'm so shocked. I usually show people footage of it, but I don't have it on me and I don't think you'd need it. They already know. They're already doing that best. They don't know. She didn't know. They've already... You're too nice. You're a nice vegan. No, I know, but... You let them be friends with you for this long without telling about the egg industry? You're housemates. You're housemates. They've already known. You didn't tell her about the baby chick? I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. If I was torturing little baby animals, I'd want you to tell me and say, hey, Joey, you're torturing little baby animals when you buy those eggs, so then I would stop. I'll tell you daily. Thank you for recording us. Thank you for being so kind. No worries. I'll go ahead. You seem really nice. Really kind. Isn't she so kind? I didn't really have to tell you much and you're already like, oh my god. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. She knows anyway. No, I know. She didn't... You didn't know? No, I didn't know. No, I didn't know. I'm not sure. I have to go on. I'm getting confused. Have a merry Christmas. Have a vegan Christmas. You have a great Christmas. Take care. See you later. I was getting confused whether she did know or didn't know a Christmas guide. Maybe they'll actually use it. She seemed really nice and that she didn't want to hurt the animals. So anyways, vegetarians are our target audience. We're trying to reach vegetarians and get them to stop abusing the dairy cows and egg laying hens as well. I don't think going to a slaughterhouse is cool. Maybe the act of slaughtering is cool. Killing someone is cool. Would you agree? Taking someone's life? Yeah, but it's part of the industry, right? It's part of industrialization. I think it's convenience versus knowledge, right? Like we said, we tried to go vegetarian. I found it a nightmare because I had no idea what to eat, what to do. If I grew up eating the right foods, knowing how to balance out my macros and everything else on all-time diet, I would do it, absolutely. We tried to do it. We watched... What the f***? What was that documentary about? It's about the fish. Because there's people that are pesketerians. Pesketerians. Absolutely. They're pesketerians. Do you know what? I feel more for the fish. It's not that I feel more for anything else, but like that really struck home. It's put me off fish. I don't need fish right now. Have you seen inside these slaughterhouses? I've been across farms. I've been across about a dozen farms in the UK myself inside of them. And they're all up inside free range and better, you know, red tractor farms. I've also been in slaughterhouses and seen all the footage. I can't find really ethical slaughterhouse footage. It's always horrible. But anyways, I really appreciate you talking. You know, on that little card, there's something called Challenge 22. It's free help going vegans, so they guide you. We probably will anyway. Or you could do Veganuary and you can get vegan cheese. Exactly. You can get vegan cheese. Watch one of those and of hope and glory. Watch that. All slaughterhouses in the UK. Check it out. It's horrible. You eat the milk from the cows? I think I use cheese. You can tell me about my cheese consumption. You're allowed to. Cows always have to have had a baby or be pregnant to produce milk. And they have every baby they've ever known taken from them. And that milk is given to human beings. And the cows have maternal trauma. And they say that maternal trauma can be similar to like physical pain. It's that emotional pain for a human. It's like a female. They're in their stomach. It's breast feeds to her child. For nine months. Yeah, exactly. Imagine taking your child away from like a month. Being a child and being taken from your mother as a little toddler. It'll be the most heart-wrenching thing. But they experience that consistently, systematically. Do you think that's worth cheese? You just don't cheese. I know. I know. My fingers are frozen but you can take these. They're like if you zap them, right? You turn them around and you zap them. Oh yeah. What's that? Is that just a white one? That's my bank card. I'll give you all a hundred pounds to go vegan now. All right then. So if you zap that this is a little Christmas. You can get all your Christmas roasts. All the different supermarkets Tesco, Sainsbury, Tarja made that one. And then you can bring it. You know what? Little is crap for vegan food. I think little is the worst. Little, do you hear that? You're the worst. Thank you so much for the chat. Take care. We love you too. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. Take care. See you later. Bye bye. What a lovely, lovely bunch of women and vegan with three vegetarians. So you've got to make so many vegetarians but it's good. It is good that they are making no steps. But the egg layers and the dairy cows they suffer so much. So please all vegetarians watching this have got to go vegan. It's so easy. All you have to do is kick the dairy, kick the eggs, educate yourself, get our little Christmas starter pack. And there you go. The largest group of nutrition experts on earth, the Academy of Nutrition Dietetics have a peer-reviewed statement. All right, there's 50,000 of these nutrition professionals said you can be healthy on a vegan diet for all stages of life. Infancy, pregnancy, adulthood, athletes, pregnant women, everyone. Doctor doesn't know what he's talking about. Okay. That's like an idealistic point of view. Like it's not sustainable for everyone. It's not sustainable to feed all these plants to these animals, cut down all this forest, grow all these plants, give all this water to cows and pigs and chickens just to get a little bit of their flesh. That's not sustainable. Put yourself in a pigs position like about to be gas chambered, terrified about to die. Yeah, maybe not. I'm going to go vegetarian for three weeks. How about I give you these little cards you can zap them and I'll give you a little Christmas card so you don't have to eat turkeys at Christmas. And it'll give you like vegan roasts where to find them, vegan food where to find them. They can't spin it to Christmas. Don't just eat spinach, you've got to eat food or you'll die if you just eat grass. But, it's good talking to you. You would still eat them even though it's cruel. Yes, because I eat them. You don't eat them. Honestly, even if it's cruel, I will eat them. You'll still do it if it's cruel. You wouldn't eat human. Also, dogs, cats, I will never eat them. But also, because you know you've been brainwashed a little bit. Do you know brainwashed? Of course. Brainwashed to eat cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys. But, dogs and cats, no, no, no. You won't eat all animals, only some. You've been brainwashed. I think that it's still the same amount of wrong to take a dog's life as it is to take a pig's life. It's the same amount of wrong. It's the same. It's not more wrong to kill a dog. It's as cruel as the other. It's as cruel as the other. For the animal. For the animal. For them. For them, yes. You have a choice every day to kill the animals or not. Not to kill the animals. To eat. I don't kill the animals. But you pay someone if I have, I be honest, if I have to kill the animal, I would be vegan through a vegetarian. Yeah, yeah. I'm not... You're not a killer. I would never kill. You're not a killer. No. I'm not a killer either, but I'm not a hypocrite too. I don't eat them. Okay, no problem. A vegan. There's no problem. I'm open like this. This is, yeah, you scan with your phone. Vegan, vegan supermarket guide. Okay. No worries, brother. Good talking to you. See you later. Ciao. Arrivederci. All right. So this has been Winter Wonderland with me, Joey Carbstrong. We had a few vegetarians, a couple of vegans here, a couple of people who would actually eat dogs, but it's been interesting finding out who is going to be kind to the animals this Christmas. You can get our vegan shopping guide here. You can just screenshot this and you can get people to zap at the QR code, get some vegan stuff. Leave the animals alone this Christmas with kindness. What have we got here? What have we got here? Wait a second. Wait a second. Vegan hot dogs. Thank you very much. What's this called? A hot dog thing. Very my dogs. That's amazing.