 on the agenda. Anybody have anything? Any amendments to the agenda? I do. My email today that Thatcher Hinman is possibly looking for $2,000 to be earmarked out of the Wreck Fund for his grant. He's writing a trails grant and he calculated the match wrong. So I'm not sure. I haven't got a response email from him so I don't know what he's going to just reduce the amount of his ask in the grant or not. The money's in there but to spend capital funds means like we're approval. So I told them I would ask about it tonight just in case. Okay, well we'll just bring it up in other business. Yeah, that's fine. I'll make a note. Yeah. Anything else? Nope. You're done. Actually, I just want to quickly add an executive session at the end. I don't have all the fancy code put in there but in regards to town personnel. Okay. I move to accept the agenda as amended. Second. All in favor? All right. All right. All right. Public comment inquiry. If there's anything that is not on the agenda this evening that anyone would like to bring up now. Now would be the time to do it. Lisa, you have anything? Comment? There was something but it's gone now. You missed it. All right. So here and done. We'll move on. First on the agenda was to reward the bid ask for access for the fire equipment and I believe everybody got the copy of the quote. They had to get to read proof or they got the responses. So here and I'm Matt and this is one as you can see that he proved this has the type that they want to move forward with and so. I guess the only question I had didn't really matter too much but I just couldn't remember what the amount of the grant was with the portion that we were, was the total. For some reason I was thinking the total was 120,000. But because our match was higher so then we would have a match on top of that. So it might have been might have been 128 and then our match. So we're within the budget. Yeah. Okay. Well, I just couldn't remember what the number was. I'm assuming that because it wasn't brought up that it was. Right. Exactly. Yeah. We're good. Okay. Any further discussion in regards to the bid? Move to. And it seemed like it was a choice of fire chief. So I'll give you the opportunity to make a motion. All right. I move to accept the bid from Lake City Fire Equipment. Do you need the amount in there? Yeah. Yeah, we probably should. For $133,858. We got it. Second. All in favor? All right. Did they happen to say how long it would take before they would get the new equipment or? I didn't ask. Gary may have told me during the conversation but it's a while. Because they have to get it and then I think they have to all get fit tested. Yeah, exactly. They fit test the mask but they still have to order the tank so it'll be a while until they get it. But I'm sorry. But. Okay. Well, good. Well, it's good that we were able to take advantage of that. Yeah. He's writing another one for the compressor, you know, to fill it. So for the compressor and the fill, that one's going in next. So he's feeling good about it, which would be great. Good money, big money. And the other one we have is a next step is the ordinance in regards to the regulation of control of garbage and trash and litter and solid waste. At the last meeting we had the board had made the recommendation to cut out the, you know, vehicles and mobile homes and end the bit and stick with the trash solid waste. And did anybody have any questions or any comments in regards to the new draft? Other than I think we may have gone too far, but with the garbage we did a good job. I don't know if we wrote it, but about being very careful to talk about garbage and what it does about the attraction of robes and smells and all that stuff and being a detriment to your property and your neighbors. So I just want to say that I've got some teeth in it. So this will go, I drafted the warning for the town meeting warning this weekend. And so in order to do this, we have to put in like a pair of wraps synopsis and then you post in the warning where, you know, it's available full copies, etc. So, but no teacher did a great job. So we did take out the things that you wanted, construction waste, and there was a few things that we'd eliminated from the last discussion. But I guess the only question that I had that I wanted to bring up was reading through it. And I read it twice and I read it once and then had a question and read it again. And I didn't see the answer to my question here. So I might have missed it, but being that we have to conform with the composting laws, there is some slight wordage in here about or approved by what it's not in here. So I was, oh, okay, should we put some, so we should we put two things? I guess one would be, should we put a definition for composting, you know, private composting, whatever we could call it, call it facility or box or receptacle. Yeah. And then, and then should we add, should we add something into the duties of one or is because one it's going to be law. So we have to do it. The only thing I could see in here, it just said, because when it's talking about the accumulation of garbage and litter and there is a little bit of teeth in here, except it does not apply to an area designated or approved by the town of Bethel as a permanent disposal site. So I guess at that point would we be saying that the town of Bethel is already saying that a landowners composting area is already an approved spot or should we have something in here? Most people are already composting on their own where they can. Right. And if not, there's receptacles down to the solid waste facility for that. Right. But I could just see that coming up as, you know. Where are you seeing that portion, Chris, the one you're talking about? Well, there's nothing about composting in here at all. No, that part I got. But looking under. Section 2B. 2B garbage storage. Yeah. So it goes in there about, you know, the normal garbage and basically saying that needs to be identified in a proper, yeah, approved town of Bethel site or as permitted. So I didn't know if, if maybe the wordage that we already have in here by saying or at town of Bethel approved site, that would be a composting box in your yard, that ought to be an approved site or should we actually put something in there? Because it actually says outside of the proper garbage receptacle. Because like my idea of composting is probably a little bit different than mine too. You know, I guess my idea is kind of the old, you know, you get, you know, your wood composting box that, you know, like used to grow potatoes and you know, that kind of stuff, you know, vertical box that you would compost in. But someone could completely take that as putting a big pile of compost in a yard, you know. Okay. So I guess you could see it a couple of ways, right? Because if we don't touch on composting, that means where it's excluded from the ordinance so people can compost as they see fit or you could define composting. And I mean, I think it's a stretch. I'm trying to remember what the state law says about composting. Well, so if, let's just go with the idea that if somebody has compostable materials, but they're not in a designated area that's specific, that becomes what we're classifying here as garbage or trash, right? Because they're not- Well, in the very first draft, there was leaves, there was scraps in the very first draft I presented to you and you wanted that taken out. So we took it out, but I don't mind defining what compost is, but I think maybe the state law is already going to define like that. It looks like it's true. Right. Well, I just didn't know if there's already a little bit of verbiage in under the section 2b, you know, that does give a little bit of leeway. Right. You know, because I guess you could, I guess at the end of the day, you could say that's an approved town of Ethel disposal site, right? Well, because they're saying it's a long-term storage relation of garbage, trash, or solid waste. So we're not including compost because it's not defined as any of those things. And it's hard for us to say where on someone's property they're going to put their compost file. I mean, we're hoping that they're not just doing it out in the open, that you're hoping that they're, you know what I mean, like they have an actual composting container, although some people build their own or- So if we put in excluding compost, some kind of verbiage, excluding household compost, site or something like that? I guess the way I was seeing it is one of two things, either we move compost in here and define it, like composting definition and then have something in here about an approved composting, you know, as a site for the town or something. Or- That's a huge kid room, though, because I've seen 50 different containers of approved compost. Or we could add section 2e, let's say, and it could just write the statute of, you know, the statute that has to do with the composting law. I'm not sure what the state statute is on composting that it takes effect this July, if they don't take it out, but I'm not sure of that wording. It's July 2020, right? Yeah. That's what I thought. So I mean, they've got it spelled out in there. I don't know what the actual verbiage is. I don't know. I mean, it might be easiest to just- To just add a letter and you could- Add a letter or you could say- ...reference to the state composting law. You know, either excludes composting or we can define or you can add and reference the state statute on composting. I think probably safest to go with the state statute because that's the default. Yeah, I think we should have something in there about the compost just so- All right, so we'll make it- I mean, again, that's a tough thing with setting ordinances, right? So making compost okay and encouraged to do versus it being considered a nuisance. Right. You know- Per state statute. Right. Right, yeah. Right. And that's the tough thing with doing the ordinances, like we talked about the last one, based upon what the board and the town manager today feels, you know, we're kind of on the same page, but March, it could be a board that's slightly different, you know? Therese could take a different job next year and then it becomes a different definition of what this is, you know? She can't take a different job next year. Yeah, so we can do, maybe we should define compost then. So I say we define a definition of compost under as 11 and then E would be the compost reference, the statute that takes effect 21 percent. Yeah, other than that I thought it was really good. And I'd like to have your hand over the junkyard, that's what we're doing there. I'm not sure if many people know that we can use the young to place the great compost. Yeah, we can, that could be, I think I'm out of that wordage in there as well. We can also ask Kelly to put something on Facebook and the website just to let people know that- It could just be a challenge because, again, the reason why we're having to go forward with this is because there are a small number of, you know, property owners that haven't been as responsible as others, right? So that very well could be the same as composting, right? I mean, someone could just have a pile in their yard and then it tracks, you know, varmint and you could be in the same situation, I guess, but it's not defined in a bag, you know. Put something out on Facebook and stuff just to remind people that they can take food scraps to the dump currently, for the transportation problem, for free, I think. It'll be free to start, anyways. Free, right, mom? Yeah. But, I mean, again, people are going to store it somehow at their house because they're not going to want to go to the dump once we drop it off. Maybe someone will, but- And a simple statement can also be, you know, respectful storage of, respectful whatever. I can't think of this time and night, but, you know, just one phrase that says, you know, be mindful of this as much as you are mindful of all the other definitions or- And I think if we don't refer to the state statute, then it could be fine. So once you do that, we're good. So I'll move forward with just adding to your warning and coming up with a little synopsis for that, but we'll put it back in your packet for next time, too. Any further discussion on- There's nothing else in the ordinance for June Paris? We took it out because of the meeting last time. There was a couple people here that were opposed to that. So that came out, and so we're focusing just on trash. Currently, there's not much in the zoning regulations with the bylaws, but maybe that's where we'll look at, and the zoning regulations are done, or redone. You might attempt to tackle it through there, and then it's by zone. There's a state statute- Well, the state finds that. Yeah. Four cars, 90 days. So for the most part, the feedback that we had gotten, well, the only feedback that we had gotten, but it was on a small scale, had to do with not just cars, but people's property. So that would be if someone has a bathtub in the yard that has flowers in it, that type of stuff. And that was kind of the biggest feedback that we got. Of course, automobiles and mobile homes and trailers and things are more seen. But the important thing was the initial issue was solid waste trash. So we had dialed it back to make sure that we didn't want to get in a position where it gets voted down, and then springtime comes and we're having some of the same issues we can't enforce anything. So hopefully this way of having it watered down, but it's just trash related that that'll address the majority of the complaints that we're getting. It's also a working document that can be changed. Yeah, I think we went a little far with- And we had also talked about that the bylaws will be coming back around here in another two years, right? Something like that. So usually that's when some things like the quote-unquote junkyards or things like that come around to be redefined if possible. And then you can do it by zone. So I'm going to the planning commission meeting Wednesday, so we'll see where we're at. Everything stands. They're coming to next agenda, or next agenda, to the 20-something to update you on what's happening here. Any further discussion? So we'll see another version of this. Well, it's going to go in the packet. But there's enough now that as long as you're happy with the majority of it, I can make the synopsis for the warning. So as I put that timeline in your packet. So we'll throw it in next time. But because you're only going to be able to tweak it one more time before it goes for the first one. All right. All right. Class four highway policy. So along with that, I did put in a copy of Derek Wright's letter about the bus or basically confirming this maintenance to class four. Works. I mean, I guess my opinion, I read through the class four policy and I also was able to look up a couple other municipalities through website to look at their class four road policies. And they're very similar to what we're proposing here. The one might have just a little different version, but the point is still the same. And all I wanted to throw out was through researching it a little bit. The only thing I did see that there was a couple of rural towns kind of similar to Bethel, like larger, just as rural bus, maybe bigger, but that I did see some wordage that they had in theirs was they did they did reference some basic maintenance, which included things like rough grading or greater ditching of the road. But they then also put some language in there about basically as a, you know, if time allows or on a first come, first serve basis type thing. So I wouldn't necessarily say that every class four road is going to get rough graded every year and greater ditch, but, you know, if there was an issue on a certain class four road, it would allow the town's personnel to, okay, well, we're going to be up that way next week, we'll, we'll rough grade it for you or we'll cut a great redemption. No, we'll leave, but it wasn't, there was no like adding materials of like stone or pipe or things like that. Well, I think it kind of covered in section 2a when we say the exam required by necessity staff and financial resources allow. I mean, I think just hold on and look if you're out there and that road hasn't been graded in a while, go ahead, you know, and kind of left it to him to the only real change I've made was this one versus the last draft was taking out some language because you don't want to penalize someone who's been a good steward of the road and I don't need someone to call me every single time they're going to drive on the road either. So we kind of backed it down so it was a little bit manageable for the people that use it and us, but so without getting too specific because I think you could cover it in that. I could just let Alan know. That was the only other thing that I saw that some towns had in there. Yeah, no, I do. And I can tell some towns we had read looked like they maybe they had issues with this because they were some like Rochester was extremely specific and had a lot of verbiage to it. So we assumed they had some issues. So when I'm not familiar with the process, but so if somebody does live on the Class 4 road and they come into the town manager's office to get a quote unquote permit, is there any charge for the permit or is it free or have I have to look at your fee schedule, but I don't think and only right now I think the only thing people are playing for is a curb cut because I would just I would just say if we're going to put the you know, if someone living on a Class 4 road wants to you know, plus their heart put some gravel on the road and grade it, then we shouldn't be charging them. No, there wasn't a fee on the highway. I didn't know if that was something we had in there, but no, just for the curb and that's only if it's a new addition. Okay. No, and we have given some people like some culvert like pieces if they weren't going to be using kind of a secondary culvert situation. Sometimes they would give you know, we've done that, but no, we're not charging anybody. So I just didn't know. I know we passed the new fee schedule a year ago. I think it was just the curb cut so that if someone wanted a new driveway access. I do think that some of the Class 4 roads should be posted in the spring for no motive people. Yeah, Allen and AJ are attending a class in February and Randolph all about that that the DMV is sponsoring about posting and all that sort of stuff. So they're actually going to that in February. Because there's a lot of a lot of these roads that are not passable now because people were allowed to get in there in the spring and tear them out. Yeah, no, it's true. I think that's it somebody. No, they see them on Paul. I want to go to you and I would have heard about that. You actually gate the Class 4 road up on top of that. Yep, you can select where has the right to gate the tent. I don't get to enter the Class 4. You know, I mean that you can close Class 4, select where it can. They did it here. Big steel gate there. And we do end up on off of McIntosh. I think you did. We did. They were going in there. Carl was involved in doing some work up in there. Well, it says in here that it's a logging operations that they should notify the town foreman about being in there. I did see that in there. Yeah, that was one of the issues we had. Does a man on the commission can work on it? Yes, in this policy they will. Any person who wishes to perform or arrange for the improvement, restoration or installation. So not generally, you know, so yeah, they would if it's, they just need to get a permit from myself or the designated for repairs, maintenance, improvements, restoration or installation just tells how we will authorize it. So yes, they will. And some of that's really for the, you know, let's just say for instance, the landowner wanted to put a culvert, let's say in a road. You know, because there could be, there could be effects on the discharge of water from that culvert. You know, let's say in the past the water, the water cross in a different location and now you put a culvert in the water crosses and you could spill out into, you know, neighbor yard or affect another roadway down, you know, down from that. So that's, you know, a lot of times it's just a more of a keeping track of who's doing what out there and not really necessarily policing that you're going out to do. I wouldn't think it was really necessarily be like a farmer getting rid of some bratch backragging with the bucket. I don't see where that would be a problem. No, it's just, you know, that's why I always just wanted to make sure that they call for a permit, but it really it's kind of a verbal discussion of, you know, next month I'm going to do a little bit of grading on my road or I'm going to knock all the stone walls in or something just so that we kind of know what's going on up there. So if we get a question or call, we do have to be careful because there are different stormwater type permitting things that are in the state of Vermont now with stormwater discharges. So we have to be careful of those two. Anybody on board or the audience have any questions in regards to the current policy? Is everybody, well, anybody that's here for it? Anybody have a chance to read it or look at it? No. Like I said, I read it and then I pulled up a couple online that I can see from different towns. One happened to be a town in New Haven which is kind of rural like us. They have a lot more people, but you know, it was kind of similar other than they did spell it out about. About some basic maintenance or something they just gave the town the option to go and go out there if they need to. You have a class four with policy before now. Yeah. How is this different from that a lot? You didn't have a class four with policy before? We've always had kind of a working, well, I guess we haven't had officially a policy. You had the highway access policy that Moe and those I signed in the 80s. Not that I'm aware of, not that I've seen. I haven't found one. It doesn't mean there wasn't one, but I haven't seen it. They did have a highway access policy and you've read this too, right, Rick? Yeah, you've read it. And I think the biggest concern was just for some people was just the fact that they still think the town should do some maintenance on class four roads and not just leave them. Well, and right now mostly that mechanism would be if a landowner called to complain about a spot on a class four road. We'd go look at it or the cruise already up there, right? That's the mechanism that would trigger. Right. But I think basically the policy was really doing was because this lifeboard doesn't want to upgrade bridges or culverts on class four roads. So that was kind of where the impetus of the policy came in. And so since it's in a draft, although it was like I'll add it to the next agenda for signatures, I just wasn't sure where it was going to go tonight. So I didn't give you a copy without draft on it. I read it is there's no requirement for us to maintain or repair a class four road if we don't have time or the finance. Right. Right. And that's state and the concern I have with that is the road above their house goes to Randolph. We used to go through there with my pickup truck with a little wooden. Yeah. You can get through there with a four wheeler. Maybe a dirt bike. Maybe. I mean, I guess the feeling concern I see on that is just, you know, if you have a class four road, let's say, let's say there's two property owners live on the class four road, what does empty into another road and people do use it as a, let's say a through road or cut off road or something. You know, there is, it really isn't fair if they're, if they do spend some time maintenance that road and others are traveling on that, you know, but again, I mean, how do you police that? I mean, you're not going to sit there and, you know, take it away. It goes on the class four road. No, and that's why, you know, we're encouraging that now it's going to go to the class. That way we put signage up and at least get them signed. So whether or not people ignore them, that's what they'll do. But if someone calls and with a plate number or something because somebody had gone up and torn up a road, we could certainly kick that over to the constable. But Mo will kind of hit it on the head. I mean, I would say, you know, from my experience, a majority of the damage that happens to the class four roads happen in the springtime and they happen with individuals that have some recreational vehicles. So some of it happen though with the flooding. Sure. Yeah. Like on that flooding, our class four roads are really vital to the rest of what we have that Irene's got. And so I think a little bit of maintenance, like you said, driving with greater every now and then, like he said, you could drive through there to pick up truck. And that was a good road. And that was Irene that wrecked a lot of it. But everybody used the four wheelers to get medical equipment around. So they are very valuable to our town and community. So it's kind of hard to, you know, blame it all on the four wheelers because I have a lot of that real flooding trash, some of them. And I'm pretty sure in the rules before the town was required to fix up some of the roads, I don't just don't know if areas, like you said, it was convenient at the time to work through some of them because some of them may be a little work done for emergency situations. And that would be, you know, like he said, that one road going through the school used it for biking and things like that. It's kind of, you know, just for emergency situations. I think they're all passable. I mean, at least we have a class four road committee too. So apparently one thing that we could task the committee with is maybe identifying certain class four roads that may be a lifeline on a potential event, or if there's documented in the fourth class roads, like they should be doing, there's an opportunity to them for, if there is something that needs to be done, that may only take a small amount of time. So they could basically inventory them and kind of report as to what the status is. I mean, I don't see us wanting to go out there overnight and hit them all. But if we know there's a certain couple or these, these are vital to, you know, a potential flood event to get supplies or. So Rick, it was you, right? Tim Mills? Tim Mills, Chris Forrest, Alex, right there? Uh-huh. I think it was just four of you, weren't there? I believe so. Yeah. Okay. All right. So that could be an option that, you know, the committee could identify some of those problem areas. And then, and then that would just be a matter of talking with, yeah. So we could, with Theresa and Allen about prioritizing that when they're in the area, maybe they could, if it's a grading issue, maybe they could load the grade answer. You must have something to note about from the ancient road when you did that. So you've got a pretty good idea. We did the, the ancient road to a journal. Yeah. A little bit different than the class four roads. But you had to see some of the class four roads. Yes. And we've had some significant rain events, but I can always get a hold of you guys and see if you'd be willing to take a peek at them in the spring and then kind of, you know, inventory them and say, hey, these are the roads that need some damage or have damage and need some repair and kind of prioritize them. So I'll send them all. There's plenty of people in our area who are respectful of class four. Oh, we agree. We're not, we're not, we're not dissing four wheelers or anything. We just have a couple of, there's just a couple of problem areas. That's all. For the most part, people in Bethel are great stewards of the class four roads for sure. But there definitely are times of the year that we have to be gentle on those roads. Like, you know, when you get into April, May, early June, you know, those roads are very delicate at that point. And any vehicle traffic on that can really do a lot of detriment to the, to the road. So maybe I know we don't typically go out and post those ones, but it might be something for certain ones to post. I see that in a lot of towns where we're out in the fall, they've got a sign up saying prohibited. Like we put up for posting for weights in the spring. They got a permanent sign there. They post the biking trails, too, you know, to tell people to just count the trails. Right. Then you'd be class flying the class four road is a trail, right? Once you get down to Well, there's definitely, you know, that two, two and a half months of the year where the roads are delicate. Absolutely, yeah. And that's why Alan and age are going to go to that class that way they can understand what their, you know, powers are to, to do that so they can get some signs ordered. Some of the class four roads we drive on in the fall have been graded and others haven't seen a grader for ever, ever. Yeah, that's true. I was on a class three road this year that hadn't seen gray hair. Yeah, me, too. Class three one. Right, Trace? That's true It's more grass than there was gravel. Graded now, all the way to the top. A lot of the class fours are going to be tough to do any graded, there's not a lot there. Right. Yeah. There's no drainage. It should be more important to concentrate on the water wires and where to. Some grader ditching or some water wires. Yeah. That's where the most potential is for damages and things. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Any further discussion on the class four road policy? No, I was going to ask about the committee. I didn't know we had a committee. That's great. Yeah, what, three or four years ago? Yeah. Well, the class four committee did that start up right around when we had to go talk with the ancient road. We had a time period to either classify those as class fours or they were gone, right? And I think that's when the committee originally was to go over some of these ancient roads and evaluate roads and make recommendations to the select board, which did include some class four, but not all of them. Right. And so the thought was to continue on maybe with some of the class four roads we didn't evaluate first. So how do you, how do you feel the committee is currently, is it very active or? No, it hasn't done anything since we appointed. In my mind, we're waiting for direction from the select boards to what they, what they want. So probably would be helpful for us. Yeah, I'm going to write. At this point, I probably might want to wait until town meeting day, but probably ought to be one of the first couple of meetings after town meeting day of, yeah, I'll just give that back together. Well, okay, just all right, just let them know what the board is looking for and then they can kind of reorganize themselves. Obviously, they're not going to start meeting until spring till they can get around, but they can at least organize and get a, you know, the map of the class fours and I can tell them what we had done during April and so. Sounds good. Okay, move on. 2020 is we've got a highway mileage through the state. You haven't done any, you haven't discontinued, you haven't added anything, so that's really just a motion to, I think it's, is it all of you Chris? I put it in front of the top of the table. I gave you mine, which is the original. So, you know, the motion for everyone to sign or just the chair? It looks like just the, just the chair. Yeah, just the chair. To make a motion, we authorize Chris to sign the certificate of highway mileage. Second. All in favor? All in favor. That's not it. That's the application to conduct a charitable solicitation. Okay, I thought they were one in the same. Oh, okay. So, let me re-look at this one. If they get a backup name in case of rain. This one, it says select men. So, it gives you enough places for people. Trust me, there's, there's at least three lines. Okay, let's pass it around. It's not politically correct. Proper pronoun? Proper pronoun. It depends on how literally you want it. I guess I spelled it out and then authorized the chair to sign it. I guess I didn't spell it out. The next one is, you know, yeah. Yeah, I got confused. I thought they were, I thought one was the signature page, so I, yeah. Broads. Didn't actually get there. We even had one in a few months, I mean, about a second. What else is that with that? And, Bethel Historical Society Coindrop request for May 16th, to entertain a motion to approve. Is that a question about the proof of insurance? Yep. Do they, do they have their own? They, they're insured. The building is insured be us. So, the only thing that they have insurance for is they have insurance for the contents downstairs. So, they probably don't carry their own liability. They probably are under, I would say they're under us, under the towns. Or do they have- It's more for if you had like cystic fibrosis or gross care. Yeah, yeah, I don't understand. Yeah, I just wonder if something happened. Probably I'll make sure that they're covered or something. Well, they've been covered, yeah, I'm sure, by us. Because you can get a short term ride or just to- You can, and do this, if you need to. BLCT, you can actually get the tulip. So, it's a whole process where they can pay for one. And so, I'll talk to Greg, feedback to see, because I had just asked him about his contents the other day, to make sure they were separately insured. Yeah, okay. So, right now, May 16th from 8 a.m. to 2 p.m. Could you say a second? Yeah, I move. Second. Second. All in favor? All right. Discussion on regards to the Bethel Historical Society's request to donate a World War II monument. So, you can see, Greg, feedback put in a letter. And right now, they have no idea what they want it to look like. And he was assuming, yeah, about 250 names. So, as I said in there, Kelly is looking at the zoning requirements. Because if you were to accept that donation, then it's town-owned land. So, you would be the applicant on the zoning permit. So, I do have Kelly researching the appropriate zoning regulations right now to see what's setbacks, etc. If you're interested in moving forward with the donation. Sounds like what he's hoping to do is to have Rock of Ages donate his stone, maybe have him either applied, put on it, or engraved into the stone. But 250 names, quite a bit. And I'm not sure of the dimensions myself of Fort Fortitude. One of the questions I had was if we do accept this in concept, are we accepting it specifically for Fort Fortitude, or is that movable? Well, I think once it's there, it's there. Oh, sure. You guys, you could say, you could say, we'd love it. We just don't want to go there. So, we're not locking ourselves into that placement of it? No. Just saying yes. No. And right now, they, you know, he, I, before he went too far down the rabbit hole and started designing and the whole thing, I wanted to see if you were even in favor of it. And so, we, obviously, you would be apprised of and would be able to have, say, and what the design would be and that sort of thing. So, did you think somewhere? No, more just the curiosity. Where that decision came from for Fort Fortitude to be the placement for it, but also thinking about other spaces in town and, you know, not knowing if we said yes to this, would we be resigning ourselves to that as the only potential spot, or would it still be up for discussion? I think that, that site has some history as to why they're going there. Right. Right. And I'm not opposed to it. I just, it was more of a curiosity. So, all I have to do is figure out, since it would be, the next step would also be preliminary, which is, you know, once Kelly lets me know what the zoning regulations are, I'll give you a map of that area. So, you, because it'll, obviously, set back supply, et cetera, all that sort of thing, to see what you would need, or where it would need to be placed, you know, within there, and then he's going to have to do a little math to figure out, you know, how big of a, is he thinking the writing's going to be, and if there's 250 names, how, how large is this going to be? Yeah, is it an obelisk with a plaque mounted to it, or just carved in stone, or whatever? Exactly. And it's super preliminary because he's done nothing. So, I said, well, before you do, let's see if this slideboard is even interested in this. If they're not, then I didn't want him to waste any of his time. And the only thing I have to go in is Kelly looking at the zoning regulations for that area, that piece of land. So, that came to me. Is there a, right, there's two misspelled words in here. Oh, from, on his letter? Yeah. I know, but they're driving me not, I had to read it like five times. Oh, that's what he means. Is there a particular reason why they selected World War II, as opposed to Vietnam or World War I? No, we have a World War I plaque. No, it's two. We have a World War I plaque, and Greg is wanting to do something for World War II. And originally, my, and I think it's why I was a little bit of a monument because he had wanted to do a similar plaque to what's here. It says World War I in his letter, so that's why I was thinking. But he means World War II. Okay. Oh, okay. I'll read that. No, you're going to read that. There's a flag for World War I. That's why he chose World War II. Oh, I see. It's already the word. It's already the exact flag. Yeah, okay. I think that's what Link was saying. Right. I see it. And I think originally his thought had been to do a similar plaque to what's downstairs, except then he found, when he started researching, he found there were so many more names that it wouldn't just be a plaque. So then it morphed into the monument concept. So if you are interested in the concept, then I will let Greg know, and I'll get you the map and have Kelly, you know, that's where I would the zoning regulations are, and we'll get those to Greg, and then just tell him, obviously, since you're the applicant, then you get, you know, design approval. Yeah. I mean, I would be all behind it. I think I think history is very important, and 75 years. I mean, history is very, very important. My grandfather served during that time. I guess I was just, it's a little difficult because we give them the blessing. We don't really know. Well, they're not, I'm not going to tell them. Can it go there or how big can it be? So I would just say for him to caution before he spends a lot of money, spends a lot of time on it to see what the options are. Exactly. So we'll just get a map of the area in the zoning regs. Just take for him to write off more than he can fit. Right. Well, and he knew that. I think that's a good idea. He knew that we were going to look at the zoning regulations, and that would, that actually may give him some guidelines, because if there's, there's obviously setbacks and that sort of thing. So that could drive the whole project, is what the zoning regs are. So I don't think you could do something on that site with, you know, 250 names. Yeah. So, but I'll let him know. And he knew you guys would obviously have design approval. Royalton has a pretty large monument that they have done. And maybe there's a car that's still. I don't know if any of you have walked in there recently, but foot access or walking down there is a little tricky. So in addition to the monument, I picture really that I have to put in some steps or also walk wise so that it's accessible so people can walk. Well, in that whole section of sidewalk means some love. Yeah, but definitely accessibility. Well, yeah, it does. Trees getting out of control. Maybe something to look at, Trees. Yeah. Well, maybe that's something they're willing to do as far as if that's part of the plaque. And, you know, if they want to put something there is maybe the access or, you know, we even, I even talked about like a brick path where people buy bricks and put in, you know, with their families. Maybe there's some way to do kind of deal with kill two birds one stone. The last conversation I had with Greg was probably close to a year ago, but I know he was going to be doing fundraising for whatever it was. So I have a feeling there'll be some things kind of coming down the line. So that's a good idea. I'll talk to him and then we'll walk over there and see what it looks like. The BRI request to use the town hall for March for BU. Was there a letter or was there a lettering? No, I attended the BRI meeting and they asked about it. I said I would take care of it and ask at your next meeting. I mean, the only thing I would just make the recommendation is anytime we donate the town hall, we probably ought to have some sort of formal letter just so that we can process the same. I figured that even you did it every year, I wasn't sure. Yeah. And Kelly, I think already had marked off on the calendar anyways for March for BU. So I would entertain a motion to allow BRI to use the town hall. So the month of March for the Bethlehem University at New Church. Second. All in favor? Actually what we should start doing is saying that we'll allow them for the whole month that New Church is assuming they get the balloon off. Like any means they choose? That could be a class. Yeah, a big class. Ringing. I'm climbing one-on-one. It's a staging class. Yeah. I need staging. Reverse. Yeah, trampoline. More helium balloons. Yeah, no balloons. Yeah, we can talk about that. No more milers. Payroll authorization. Town manager and town treasurer. So this can go a couple of ways. We talked about this and we outsourced payroll to CompiCount. So in this package that you signed, you saw what you're getting now. So you can still send Paul down to look at payroll. It's already been processed and he can initial it and then if there's any issues, you'll deal with it later or you can just initial it as you did tonight at the board meeting. I don't really know, but do it either way. Every town does it a little bit differently on how you want to handle it. But that's what it's going to look like from now on is that packet. And then what I was able to do it was the time cards and the spreadsheet that I fill out to send to them. What do you think, Paul? The only thing that I very rarely find anything. I mean, it's especially since Theresa's been at the helm. I haven't found any kind of errors and I'm not adding up hours and things like that anyway. I'm just kind of given a general perusal of the time card just for my own information kind of thing. I may see something that just kind of feeding the memory banks. So I enjoy looking through it and seeing the hours and things. So it's fine. We can continue as is. This last time we didn't get the payroll until it was that day. So we didn't have because they were redesigning their spreadsheet. We kind of we did a lot of back and forth. We still had three errors, but it worked out. I think we got the last ones scheduled out today. Yeah, we need to not know make a motion or figure out which way we want to go just for the sake of meeting the statute and all that stuff in case. Yeah. I mean, I think it's good to keep a second set of eyes. Yeah, it's fine because if Paul sees something we talk about or whatever, so it is good to have somebody else. I wasn't sure about the timing how it was going to go because I think that we usually we processed, but you came in and signed it before we sent it out to be processed. And now it's, we're not doing that. Now it's going to be processed and then he's going to look at it just timing wise is the way it's going to work. But a lot of times, well, the only few times before you're still we're at the point where the correction of the whatever I found had to be done in the next payroll cycle anyway. Right. It's all about timing of that. It's too far in the cycle. Yeah, sending out the direct deposits. That's, and if it's holiday, then you really fine. Then you should just continue as is, but then you can still how do you normally make that motion in March? Or what do you guys, how do you normally address that? We do that right after town meeting after we have whatever the board looks like. Then why don't we just not do anything with it now? We'll just leave it as it is because Paul will continue to prove it and then you'll just make that same motion again in March. I'm the same way I want it. Because you have to have it in by what Tuesday or to top account. So yeah, I like to do it first thing Monday morning and be done, but it's off my desk and then I do it and it's done. And then, but I, you know, and I'll continue to do that and you'll just look at it, we'll find anything we'll fix the next time. Yeah. I mean, I think it's great that we have it down to the point where the errors and missions are non-existent, but it was put into place for a reason. It's pretty much a double check anyways because everybody's signed by the supervisor and then Therese okays it from there. I just usually do the math or double check their math. Yeah, I kind of look at look at the math a little bit and if it's not signed by a by a manager, I'll ask about it. So I think that we should just leave it as it is and then we'll make, we'll do that motion again in March. So I'm the same way as Paul. I like you need it in the minute. No, I think it's good to have somebody in a second set of eyes from the select board because that was, well, at least when I came on, I think at that point, Lisa was doing it. And it was something that they had just started a year maybe prior to that, but I don't know who was doing it prior to that if it was done in the town office or, but she don't know. Okay. Any further discussion on that? Anybody want to upseat Paul to do that, John? Don't be cutting in on my cop time, you know? He has the card to take his second cop time. I get that extra cop time. I get that extra cop time. He has it down to a science. Well, especially the payables. I mean, I really like looking at the payables. Yeah, that's good. No, but it's always nice to have a second slice on those. No, no, we'll just wait until after town meeting. And then usually we deal with that with the first meeting after town meetings. Three says in their request for proposal for architect for town garage. So Chris and I talked briefly on Thursday, Friday, Friday, I guess, and because obviously what I'm looking for here is some direction. All right, if you want to go to the metal building, that's fine, but you're looking at a 25 year building, or are you building something further out that you want? So you're looking for something more. So Chris said that he actually was thinking about just a metal building because in 25 years, you'll have some stuff taken care of. You'll have some bond payments wrapped up. And then right now, you currently don't own a piece of land to put in, say, a town garage and a municipal building. But in 25 years, who knows what the situation might be. Either way, we're still going to need a person to, even if it's a metal building, that's fine. But we all know we have some site issues to put in the same spot. So we're going to need to take a peek at that. There's now, there's new energy codes and standards. There's, and we'll need a new state permitting. So I think to, to put out an RFP for an architect to do a little bit of a feasibility study, let us know what we're looking at cost wise, especially for that site. And just so we know what we're looking for, because obviously our budget for this is going to be, it's not going to be a big budget. You know, metal buildings usually can get for a reasonable price, but with the new energy standards, I'm not sure what's going to, you may end up having to put some sort of panelized system inside or, but obviously there's things we don't have in place right now. Like if somebody was in the garage with a truck running and they had an event, you know, you should have safety standards and so that the doors will open so that there's some sort of ventilation system. And there's going to be a few things like that that they don't have that will take into place. But when I spoke down, we're looking at a similar size building, maybe an extra bag and, you know, we'll have a mezzanine that would be rated for store like parks and that sort of thing. You know, not going to put an office upstairs, nothing like that, that's going to trigger all the ADA issues. And I think the challenge we have in Bethel obviously is the footprint to work with. You know, we don't have a lot of real estate in the areas we do have real estate right next to the river where we, you know, can't build in. So I think it would be a good idea to get some sort of professional opinion to at least start where we're at now and say, can, could we move forward with a new building there because we have, you know, the landfill, you know, there's a couple of complex things there. So before we get the cart in front of the horror, should we take a little bit of the money that we've saved, put an RFQ out there to do a small somebody to do a small study on it on what could we build there. And so is your thought to look at it for both the metal building and well, not necessarily if the board is in agreement, then that's going to be better because it would narrow the scope of the, you know, the RFQ because then I can say, okay, look, what we want to put there is a metal building. And you know, then we can, then they're not spending their time giving you three different design options for what could be there. If you are in agreement that you wanted to be a metal building, then that's going to narrow the scope and which will be easier and cheaper. But if you are unsure, and some of you want maybe a metal building and some maybe want it to be built for the last longer than, then we would say maybe we're looking at it asking for a couple of options. So the option to do anything with the existing building is just crazy. It's crazy to even think about it. Yeah, it's way expensive. It's useful. I went through it the other day and there's holes and it's way past its 25 year life. We don't even have enough room to put all the equipment under cover anymore. Because you can't right now, there is an addition on it that the workers of the road crew at some point had done and it's coming apart. And so that needs to be torn off too. And the existing metal, it's just one of those situations. You know all the washers that had rubber gaskets around them, the whole thing is kind of... Because the issue that we're having right now, at least over the last three years in a row, we have spent probably at least $12,000 a year on just maintenance thing that, you know, beyond normal maintenance of that building to keep that building workable. And of course, you know, the state keeps sending different guidelines of, you know, truck wash or anything you have up there. You have different things that we have to do up there. So we've been spending a fair amount of money up there the last couple of years for really getting back nothing. You know, where at one point we had figured, you know, for double that money a year, you could have a brand new facility. But right now the uncertainty is, what can we build there? Because you have the dump portion of it on, you have the building, you have the sand pit, you know, below it, you know, what could you, what would the footprint look like and could, is it even worth putting another building there? Because clearly the building that needs to go there needs to be slightly larger than the one we have now. It does need to be larger. They kind of, Alan and I were talking like another, at least like another bay, would be good. And obviously it doesn't have like an up-to-date or up-to-code oil, water separator. And it's just a lot of issues with it. I think so, but for me, I don't know where exactly in that footprint of land up there falls the old dump because you and I know we disturb that and we don't want to disturb that because that's A&R and that's a whole other issue. So I don't know the parameters of that lot, where this dump is, but you're right. There certainly is more room, but I also have to look at, we also have to adhere to our own zoning regulations. And if we were going to be come back to setback, then we need to go to the DRB. And so there's several cans of worms and that I think that's why we need a professional to come in and take a peek and see what are. Because they would look into all that. They would. They'll look at that. They'll also look at, yeah, what are the state energy codes? What's it going to require us to do? And you know, that sort of thing. But what I was looking for was before we went out was to figure out what the board is looking for. Are you looking for a 25-year building in hopes that in 25 years Bethel's in a position where they could buy a piece of land and combine, you know, the town, the public highway department or the public works department and the municipal office, because municipal offices, you know, certainly planning on staying there. That building owes you nothing. It was given to you. It needs. But again, that's something that we're putting money into the. Because nobody's maintained it. So it needs a new electrical. It needs to be insulated and all that good stuff. So, you know, everybody can stay with, you know, the town office and certainly stay there and have needs to have some maintenance done to it. But plus two, if you ever did sell it, you'd get some money back as you had maintained it and then to deal with the town garage. But I don't know if you're all in. I guess that's a question for each one of you, is how do you feel about metal building versus something that's going to last longer than 25 years? I just don't go to the metal building because in 25 years we don't know what the state's going to want us, you know, to meet requirements in 25 years. You know, we don't know. And this one's lasted longer than 25 years. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I mean, you know, they say 25 years, we might get 40 out of it or whatever. Maybe it depends on, you know, maintenance and you kind of look at which is the other issue of how well it had been maintained in the past. But certainly, you know, some of it is really designed to start some of those things to start kind of failing after 25 year lifespan. But yeah, maybe we can do more maintenance or maybe to this, the architect may know if somebody, maybe they do a metal building that's longer lifespan. Those big things maintenance on anything? Absolutely. I think it's hard to get a right your head around how much this is going to cost. So it's hard. I mean, obviously, you want to build something that's going to last 50 years. If it's only, you know, X number of dollars more than the 25. Then it's like we're doing with the water system, you know, go for it, plan for the long run, as opposed to the metal building. I mean, I like I've seen a lot of metal buildings that that will work perfectly well for what we need. As long as you keep the salt and everything out of them, and you do your washing outside, you know, and do the maintenance on the building and metal building last long time. And the salt shed is a separate, you know, that would be, we do need a new salt shed. So that would be built at a different time. And there's usually, or there has been some grant money available for that. Yeah, I was going to say that. If you only grant money out there for salt sheds. There is. I don't know about who Rivers has got. Yeah, for salt sheds, I've seen it. Salt sheds. And but not necessarily the town garage itself. But there might be some sort of municipal grant out there. Some sort of VLCT, you know, at least for the design or something. Some of the safety features that need to go into it. But anyways, we'll need to. I mean, I think ideally if we had the proper footprint, ideally, you know, to have the town office and the public works be one building would be most ideal. But I don't know if we have a site like that. Nothing we currently own. That's for sure. And And do you want to mix the two? I mean, there's so much truck traffic and the salt and the gravel and sand and all that. It's I mean, nice to have a building like Royalton has for their, you know, town offices separate. Yeah. What do you think? Yeah, I mean, normally I'm more on the mindset of going investing more towards the future and for longer term. But I think in this case, because we're fighting such an uphill battle with all of the things being 10, 20, 50 years overdue. Yeah. I mean, it's not ideal. I don't love the idea of just sort of putting something together for a 25 years span. But I don't think that it's necessarily in our best interest given the site issues that we might face and the additional issues of our municipal offices needing renovations and potentially a future new site. Yeah. Is there any way we can move forward with, you know, some sort of feasibility study on that property to see what we could do with it while at the same time we continue to talk as a board because, you know, the board, you know, we only have two months before town meeting day, so things could be a little different on the board or may not, but it gives us some time to get through that hurdle of new board or not. And then we could really put it as a top of agenda item going forward on dealing with the garage. Because I mean, I think we all agree that, you know, every year of dumping, you know, we figured it out there with some quick math there when Greg was here that, you know, with the money we're putting in a year just to keep the building the flow, we could pay half of the payment, you know, on a new facility. I think that we could just do the RFP and then get word of the RFP so that the first thing they're going to tackle is, you know, let's talk about what are our issues with the site, what size we have, what are our needs, what are the codes, what is the, you know, get that sort of information because that obviously that's going to drive the bus too. Because then we can figure out what kind of structure will fit there. Not to mention, you know, the salt shed is very important to up there. Yeah, so then they're going to look at the whole piece of land and say, okay, the salt shed could go here, you know, but this is where the footprint needs to go and, you know. Yeah, where can we actually build? Yeah. Can we build on the same exact site and then how much bigger can that footprint be ready to use? Exactly. Well, I will put together, I'll draft an RFP. I have a couple samples from other towns so we'll take a peek at that. I think it is actually, yeah, I did speak to the fire chief about that, how they got their land and I know it's a farmer that owns it, but yeah, that area, I know across the street is, and I think that is too in the flood plain. It does. But part of the thing, the issue is too about that is, is that one of the first things you want to see when people drive into Bethel is if you're trying to get Bethel revitalized, you bring people here to invest money in the town is to have the town barrage right there. That's the first thing to the fire chief's personal opinion, you know, and then because if you were going to move materials to store somewhere else and then is that make it feasible for the road crew to go from point A to point B. That section is in a flood plain, however, it's buildable there because because route 12 right there is a definition of the way the state has their flood plains, you can't cross roads with it. So anything, anything on the riverside of route 12 right now to build in that would be very difficult, if not possible, but to the, you know, if you're traveling north, anything to the west side of that road is buildable. You'd have, you just have to, I believe, just meet the FEMA requirements like where I am. That's, yeah, that's flood plain. Flood plain, but it's still buildable because it's buildable because that road is a barrier, even though, you know, so you could, it's not saying you couldn't do it. Be very well, could buy that piece of property, and well, if you could build something. Well, the fire station is up a little higher than the one they had. Well, I think they had to bring that up to the 100-year flood level. Because the river corridor is different to the flood plain in what you're talking about, is the river corridor doesn't go across route 12. Right, we're talking flood plain, not river corridor. So you could, you just have to bring it up to the FEMA requirements. So it's not a bad, it's not. You could build there, it's just going to take some. But the material there, being stored there, all these stuff like that. You'd have to do something like a brick. Well, you could, you could build your, you could build your town office, and this whole building there, and you could keep the piece of property up there, and put yourself in. Yeah, it's just a matter of property. And then you could leave the building there, and you could put a couple of pieces in there. I'm not sure the guy, I don't know. Oh yeah. And then there would be inviting between our hands of that chair, so. Well, why don't we, if we all agree, why don't we move forward, if everybody agrees, why don't we move forward with at least taking a look at the piece of plant property that we currently own, and see what our options are on that. And then based upon the feedback that we get from there, then we could, you know, does it make sense to go forward and build something there, or do we need to look somewhere else? Right. Yeah. Well, once they, they, they look at that place, they're going to tell us whether we can dig down for a foundation or whatever. I mean, we might not be able to. Yeah, yeah. So I think. Yeah, I don't know what's under there now. If it's just a slab with some frost walls or what? I don't know. I don't know. That was there. I mean, it's definitely worth also looking at, you know, getting into that and looking at what other options there are other than that piece of property to, you know, of course, when I was built, there was no regulations on landfills under the stuff. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think the only thing is, you know, who, who or what, you know, puts the time and, you know, I know in the past, they had a study group for, um, I don't know if it was both for the municipal offices in the highway or maybe it was just the highway. It might have been both. Yeah. But they did have a study group. But the way we've been with committees right now, I mean, we can't get enough people to talk about it here in a minute. But you don't need a committee. You need an architect to tell you what the world is. No better saying if we wanted to explore other options. Yeah. You know, unless we spend a tremendous amount of time doing that, you know, um, but we're having a hard enough time with the other committees holding, you know, the planning committee now they even have enough people to even be legal. So, well, we'll see. Yeah. We're kind of, that's why I'm going Wednesday. So we'll see what the situation is. But all right. So I'll move forward with that and just look at the feasibility study for the site, the existing site and see what we can get, what it's going to trigger. And I got to think, I got to think that there's probably some municipal grant out there, maybe not for building, but maybe either for planning or there might be something out there. We'll take a look. Not sure. Help us. If not, I mean, we have capital funds in there. Yeah, I know. We have limited. That's why I don't want it to be too, vague because, you know, but we'll put a cap on it, how much we're looking for. So I'll read a couple more and talk to somebody who does it and see, you know, what kind of money I'm looking at here for doing the study. So it's definitely worth moving forward. And then I would say, you know, once town meeting hits, you know, we, we would probably, probably establish this as a, a continuation agenda item for this year or on your list to just keep working at. Kind of like the water bond this year. Yep. Done. Sure. It's a possibility. It was identified in our sanitary survey that the state was concerned about the pressure that residents had up there, especially if you needed to run water in the village for fire flow. If we had a fire and they were pulling out of hydrants, it would really drop from up there. Actually, by today's standards, the water would have never been allowed to go to Crystal Drive. So Tim Mills and I met with the residents of Crystal Drive before Christmas. We sent them a letter kind of saying, this is what we know and what we don't know what, what's going on up there. We only know what the state has said to us. So we met with all the residents or most of the residents of Crystal Drive and they're great. And they talked to us about what was ongoing. And some of them are experiencing intermittent water. We're like, why are you not calling? We didn't know for sure. But someone's like, oh, you're in the shower and the water stops. But then it comes back on. It's amazing what people were, will live with. And yeah, exactly. That's exactly the way it was. And so we got all the feedback from them. We talked about wells. Some of the residents want the town to install the wells and then lease them the wells, kind of so they'd still make a quarterly payment, which was a thought Tim had. And we discussed that with the state and they said, no. But now that we have, we've spoken to the residents, Tim and I have a meeting tomorrow with the engineers. And I'm not sure if one of the state reps that we want to speak to is going to be there as well to find out what are the options. So the residents up there, because it has been something Bethel has done before, drilled wells for people and they did it down in Pleasant Street. And what we're going to do is look at what our options are. Some of the residents are like, well, we own it, we're done, and we don't have to pay a water bill. Some residents said, no, we want you to do well. We want to pay the quarterly water bill and lease it from you. And then some were like, well, if you could guarantee this issue of warranty for five years on the well, then we'd be okay with that. And so we're kind of still exploring the options. We need to talk to the state now to say, okay, this is what the residents are experiencing. Now we know for sure this is what they're saying and what can we do. So as soon as we told the residents, as soon as we hear back from the state and get answers to those questions, we'll let them know what the option is. So A lot of that isn't that old, correct? It's 130 years? Maybe, I'm not sure. In the cell, it's basically under slide, under. Exactly, because some people, because, yeah, it's not on its own, it's not getting the pressure that it needs. So it's certainly by today's standards never would have been allowed. So as much as we hate the thought of taking somebody off the water system, we also need to do what's best for them and the rest of the system. But it is a violation that the state knows that we have, and then we've been trying to figure out how to address. We couldn't put it in the $2.8 million water bond because the engineered response for this was almost $800,000 if you were to put by a piece of land to build a pump station to serve, you know, 10 or 11 houses. So it was just too much in the 2.8 we needed to do just downtown. But the state's aware that Rome wasn't built in the day, but the system has several issues. So that's where we're at right now is working with the residents and they were wonderful and came down and met with us. And so now we fully understand what's going on. And once we get answers from the state, we'll let them know and see where we are in the process. We have not hired an engineer to go do site surveys yet to figure out where wells could go or anything like that. So that would be wanting to get permission from the state. And we're okay by the crystal drive residents. That would be the next step would be to hire someone to go up and do the survey to figure out where the wells would go. So at this point, we pretty much identified the issue or issues up here. And now we're just kind of looking for what the the most efficient way of going about solving the problem will be if that's either putting in a pump station and doing it that way or if it's drilling wells or something else. Yeah, because that's not physically feasible to spend, you know, $800,000 for 11 houses. That's crazy. You know, that's not. So that's why the wells and badly done wells before for the residents. So we'll figure that out. You know, the it'll be a project that'll kind of be coming after the main street, you know, we'll get main street done. And then we'll start trying to figure out how we're going to tackle that one. But so but early on anyways, it's been favorable with would yeah, absolutely. They were very gracious and and were very helpful as Tim and I, you know, Tim's only had taken over the system two years ago and we just didn't know what they were experiencing. So the state can do, you know, did a model, but they do it on the computer. They're not actually out there testing pressure. So so that's where we're at with that. Anything further on the town garage? Okay, town manager's report. Let's see, most of it you have. So so you did see in the packet was the resignation of Andrew Delaney from the Planning Commission. So that would leave Andy Stone, Peter Dorn, and Cecil Washburn. So I'm going to attend the meeting Wednesday to see, you know, what's going on the Planning Commission to see if they're all going to continue or all the members that are currently on Planning Commission staying on the Planning Commission. There are laws about this, obviously, that you have to have these members and actually don't all have to be residents of Bethel, which is interesting. We actually had a non resident in our and the last town I managed and that he lived in Bethel for years and then he moved to Middlebury, so he still serves. So it does give you a little wiggle room. So certainly we're looking for people that are interested in planning and zoning and have some time to put in. They do make monthly meetings on Wednesday at seven. I believe they meet once a month. Like the third Wednesday. Yeah, it's the middle of the middle of whatever this one is going to be this Wednesday, the second Wednesday. I think it's a third one. I'd have to look at account because of this one. What is my statue? How many members have to be part of the to make it illegal? We need to have three. So currently technically we do. We do unless so unless I get bad news Wednesday. But if you look at the minutes from the last few meetings, they some of those members have not been there. Exactly. On a regular basis. That's why I want to go on Wednesday. And I don't think I put maybe in here, but I guess I didn't. I had printed out. So should we be I printed out the ordinance on planning commissions for the state, but I guess on my desk. So I'll take I'll find out Wednesday, Chris. I'm going to the meeting. So I'll have more to report back to you next time. But certainly if people are out there that are interested in in land rights and zoning regulations, then obviously the planning commission would love to would love some new members. There's a there's a representative from two rivers that's been attending the meetings and working with with the planning commission. So I'll meet them on Wednesday and I'll have more information for you next time. Should we look at at this point of putting something out there as an advertisement for? I mean, I'm trying to get members or the rec for planning. I think I've sent out things on Facebook about planning and the rec already. I think what we need to do is do a bigger push at town meeting as well around that time. And for members, maybe I can try to do Zoe or something to do a little article on the paper. I don't know. I mean, police is always putting a push in for us, letting us know we have whatever your interest is. We have a committee for you. So the other one is sorry. I'll never shop of just taking a leave of absence from the conservation commission that was on here. And if any of you are getting any questions about the free table being removed from the transfer station, that is was addressed at the last Beville Royals and transfer station meeting. And I did give you the information in your packet that Jen, the new facility manager, Jen Barlin had put together, which was very nice. And that's in your packet. So if you have questions about that, you have information to give residents of Beville. So right now it's not coming back. And, you know, if they supported Jen and they hired her to cut costs and clean up the transfer station, it was part of it. So I mean, what lower on that topic, I mean, after seeing the write up, it's, you know, kind of reminded me a little bit of the trash ordinance, you know, like it's just too bad because the originally that free table was fairly valuable to a lot of individuals. And it was kind of like, I remember, you know, when my kids were big enough and we had this really nice pack and play, you know, that cost like 100 bucks, you know, we put it down there on the table, it was gone within like 10 seconds, you know. So those things are nice. But, you know, when I'm reading through this list of things that people are throwing in there, it's like, what, thanks for, you know, spoiling it for everybody else, you know, I mean, talking about bags of kitty litter, use, I mean, come on, I mean, I know, and it's too bad. It is. However, I mean, however, looking through it, I'm like, you know, taking the table away is one thing, but I don't know if I agree with the dollar figures associated with cleaning the table. Yeah. Come on. It's not just you throw it into the rubbish. You've got to sort through it. I know, but I mean, a lot of people, they're just throwing that stuff in the rubbish right now. I mean, they're claiming right now it, you know, it's eight to ten, eight to $12,000 a year cost to have that table. I don't know if I agree with that. Well, I mean, by the time, but you think about how many hours it takes somebody, you know, your employee plus the hours, but whatever they, anyways, point isn't gone. So you can donate to the Randolph to the thrift store. There's also something in Royalton. There's two thrift stores down there, I believe, isn't there? Yeah, but again, it's just goodwill and other places. It's really sad that people kind of looked at this table as a way of not having to pay their trash bill and just throw stuff on there, you know? Because I know when I've always, and I've put a lot of stuff down there, I've always loved to see like, oh, okay, it's quality. There's not a single stain in it or, you know, and then you put it down there, not just throw stuff on the table. Exactly. I mean, it's sad that one bad apple spoils a bunch, as they say. Well, it seems like there's a lot of them. Yeah. That was odd. So anyway, so if you have, if Bethel residents contact you, that's information that you can provide to them. We're going to have a new utility person. Richard Manning starts full-time on the 20th. He's going to start working right away to secure his level one water and wastewater licenses. That's quite the process undertake. So, but looking forward to it, he's Bethel resident. Nice to keep that salary in Bethel. Is that going to take a moment? Yes. Yeah. I think he's going to be a good addition. And how long does it take to get? I don't know. Right now he will run under Tim's and I don't because the classes are not online. I know last time Tim actually took classes with Morgan. So you have to go to some of these. So I'm not sure what the timetable is. Does the state give us a grace period of not having two licensees or how does that work? I mean, obviously they don't have a choice. I mean, right now, immediately he'll run under Tim's license. So there's caveats for that. But I don't know how long it takes. I'll have to ask Tim. Could be some hours involved too, right? Yeah, imagine this. I'll just ask Tim. What are the requirements? No, I would assume it has something to do with, you know, obviously getting a document that says you're licensed, but there are probably so many hours that you're going to serve doing that role. I imagine. And you have to be tied to a system, obviously, just like I can't like it, but somebody couldn't just go get their water one license, you know, you have to be tied to a system. So you'll be filling the exact role that Morgan was in or? Yep, yep, because we didn't hire to replace Doug Marshall. So that was just put a seasonal person in there now and took over Doug Marshall's route. So that seems to work well. And that gentleman, Dave Bergeron, who's been a great addition, will be leaving in April to go back to Pike. And so currently that is the plan for the position because we needed water, wastewater. And there'll be the trade off from half a year to half a year. Winners with Alan, summers with Tim. And so anyway, so we're very excited about that. I met with Alex Rice for the other day. He's going to give me, we went through the entire basement of the town office, which which is going to be hold out this summer. I'm going to have the road crew come down and we're going to have, it's going to take a couple days to get some of the stuff. It's just, it's like the free table in our basement. There's a whole bunch of chunk in there that needs to go. And then we will be able to put in some once it's insulated, put some shelving in and stuff. And just Alex is going to provide me with an estimate, which I'm sure is going to scare the Magipers out of me. But I won't release his number, obviously, for bid purposes. The upstairs in the attic, I had the fire chief because it was where respirator he sampled that material. So that's been sent away. We should have the results back because if that's a zone of light, it needs to be remediated. And that's going to be pricey, but they have a trust that will pay 50% of that. And I need to have that taken care of before I can have the electrical upgraded. And we're also talking to the neighbor to see if we can, he seems very open to letting us the property to our left that about parking maybe two or three spaces. So these three of us there could park there that would take care of it. Also that not the attached quote, garage, but the other little building aside from that Tim wants to tear down and move that hydrant, which if we moved it back would gain us another space there too for parking. So that's where we're kind of staying with the town hall. Did you get anywhere with the chairs that are downstairs of the school or anybody wanting to take them? I have a feeling the school will take some. Because I was going to say maybe the art department. Well, you have to pick through. I think that I grabbed one out of there because I may have somebody who's interested in them in the whole lot of them. But the one I the only one I could really get access to is pretty well busted up. You could cannibalize it to repair other ones. So I wanted to try to get down the basement and get a nice one. I think that's going to end up happening is is right. Is even if someone came in and took them all, we've had had a resident come and pick up a couple. Kelly put out on Facebook. So but they they need to go and there's just so much stuff. We did have a gentleman from Boy Scouts come the other day and he picked up a bunch of stuff that was left from when Boy Scouts used to have their meetings down there. He was very nice and said, Oh, do you want me to put it all in a pile and you can come and look at it? And we're like, No, we're happy that you're taking it. So we can have a yard sale. It's well, it's too bad because some of the things that were down there have been smashed, you know, and and destroyed. So and of course, the door from the base like this bunch of the bottom is totally missing. So the rats, you know, not like they need to just walk in. So we're trying to deal with all those. You didn't tell me anything about rats. I just wanted you to go downstairs. So are we in violation with that rat holding up here? It's all contained. It's all covered. There's no garbage or litter down there. It's just stuff. You just need to get a cat. Yeah. You can use litter at the free table. I'll set you go. So Tim and I have a 90% complete drawing meeting tomorrow with Aldrich and Elliot and some from the state for financing. So that's moving along. Tim, teacher, and I met with Wade, a masseur of BLCT to address any issues, unaddressed from his last inspection of all facilities and Tim and teacher, you're working and together creating, you know, some programming to address some issues that are out there. FEMA continues, you know, weekly just goes here for six hours last week and she'll be back this week. It's going to trigger us to pay for an additional $7,000 that I did not budget for for a single audit next year. Rick Brigham from Sullivan and Power seem to think that there was FEMA money out there that would trigger that would help pay for it. But I just heard back yesterday from one lady at the state or the state level. She didn't think that there was. Jessica is also looking for us. And I had sent an email to Chris Bump and Joe Parago about will the federal for federal highways because we did all that can't work would is their money from them. So if not, then that's something we'll basically pick up in our ERAF next time this when we budget that next year will take care of it then. So I'm still working that angle because if Rick has seen it, then it's happened before. And I just need to try to figure out how to get some of that paid for. So yeah, so this week, I'm going to meet the planning commission meeting on went so tomorrow's the water Wednesday planning commission Thursday. FEMA and representative from Bernie Sanders office called. She wants to stop by on Thursday just to talk about that phone. See what's what. So that's good. Deetree got the road crew job descriptions done. They gave me some feedback. I looked at this week and then put them on Deetree's desk tonight. So they'll be signing those this week, which is great news. We're going to be applying to VLCT for a grant for some. It's going to be like cones and maybe safety barricades, that type of thing. That'll need to go out this week and there'll be a match, but it'll just come out of the highway budget. So that's it for this pending that I can think of right now. Yeah, I had a couple of questions under the budget status report. Sure. And I know we talked about where I couldn't remember what the answer was, but under the materials, we have we have monies in there for gravel and culverts. And I just had wondered is any portion of that FEMA related that's in the arrows. So it is all is the $24,000 we spent in gravel is that all non FEMA related material that we put on our roads or some of that FEMA related? Some's not? Well, the culverts are not. The any of the culvert budget is not a budget. That's not the deal with the gravel budget is this. This kind of got sugared out a little bit last week was Allen, when you were done, Chris, well, Chris knows because we've been doing it. You have to go out and measure, you know, the every road that you did that you repair and how long is the ditch? How deep is the ditch or how long is the road? And so how many materials? So Allen, I had Allen do the non contract work and Chris and I doing the contract work. So when Jessica was looking at the numbers, she's like, trees, you don't have enough gravel in here that you've coded as expenses to cover this. And I explained to her that prior town manager had told both Alan and I the same thing that he had had some loads sent back to the town barrage that he believed that we received all of the gravel back that we put down. But Alan kept saying, no, that's that can't be right. And so when we met with Jessica, she was like, no, it's definitely not right. So I think that's what I'm thinking as I think there's we're going to end up getting more gravel back. I end up giving her invoices for the two prior purchases for the prior fiscal year. And so I do think we're going to see some of that, but I can't quantify it right now. She's working out the formula. I was thinking of the roads that we graveled that were non FEMA roads this year, and I just couldn't figure out how that would equal 24,000. So I think that yeah, I think there's, you know, I don't know if it's 12,000 worth of FEMA and 10 that we did ourselves, but I'll be able to let you know because if we know that, at least that's you know, that's in his budget. Those are things that we can do in early summer. Well, once she quantifies it, I'm actually going to move that expense out of the general fund into the FEMA expense, but she was in the process of doing it. There's formula to figure out how much and I just didn't know if there was because we installed some culverts that had washed out too. So I didn't know all of that was those or no, all those that we bought from we buy our culverts from Bethel Mills, they gave us state pricing. Those all were coded. Yeah. So I don't know the number yet for gravel until Jessica comes up with an amount. I won't. So there it looks like there's favorable that we'll get something back. Yeah. And then clarification. So under the debt services, we have the debt refinancing item and then there's the long term debt for town hall. Long term debt town hall. Oh, that looks like coding error. And yeah, well, yeah, I'll look. So I guess I just didn't understand. No, I didn't see it. That was in or where that money's, you know, okay, is that I guess I didn't is some of that money supposed to be on the line item above it? It might be. That makes it 100% or it definitely is like coding error. Financing somehow. Yeah, no, that's I'll look. I don't know because my first guess was that we had paid just the interest on debt financing and had another payment due. But I don't know if you're right. It could be in there off the look of detail. So I will. So I don't know. I have to look at the detail. And then the last question I had was under water because water right now is a little tricky because we had costs associated with the work to be done with the water bond that's showing up in here. So well, not just cost, but there's been some revenues that sit too, right? Right. You'll see the grant revenue up above is what we requisitioned for. And I have some more. I have two more slips on my desk that I need to submit. And there's a couple things that I submitted that we haven't received money for yet. Like when we dove the tank and paid that cost to have the tank inspected, the initial payment to Paul Giuliani for the bond, when I submitted that the first time, the lady rejected those as payment out of the bond until the engineer weighed in. And so she said that when I resubmitted my requisition, and I have two more from Baldiginelli to submit on my desk, she said she would pick them up then. So that's why they're such a big. So I would assume that the biggest line item is the one that says engineering characters. So I would assume that probably all of that was associated with the water bond. So if we take that out then. Yeah, I don't think that we had any engineering that wasn't bond related. So if we take that out then we're in the 40 some odd percent. So we're tracking exactly and we're also in the same thing with legal services that 600 bucks will get back. And if we take out the grant revenue, so we're doing well then. Yeah, and there's some permits like the construction permit and a couple others that I'm not sure will come out of there that we'll end up eating, but that's in the permit line. Okay. So, but I'll make a note to look at the bond debt. I don't know. That on my computer I can't tell you what the detail says. Any other questions in here? This is a budget report or anything else? I asked Oscar for some reports for the budget, but I didn't hear back from him. So we'll have to make a note to try to get him to submit constable reports next time. He ended up getting with you after I spoke to him. That's just so happened to me. We got out of here and I literally bumped into him like 20 minutes later. I saw him for about two minutes. That night. Yeah, he sent me an email, but I'm going to email him a time. We need to, I emailed him action. I haven't been back for me. I want a time to set up to meet with him this week and I haven't heard. Yeah, I think we kind of need to nail some things down. Yes, we do. Do we have to make a motion to accept Andrew Delaney's? I think it's nice too. That way it reflects in the minute. So if someone goes back later, then they can take a look and kind of see when he served from start to finish. And if we reject it, then he has to continue on. I just think it's nice if you accept it. You can try. Well, Andrew, we decided to reject your proposal tonight. I think if you accept it, you'll regret it. We signed you up for it in three years. That's nice. Just went and voted on it. Yeah. Yeah. Majority. So I would entertain a motion to accept Andrew Delaney's, Andrew Delaney from the Planning Commission's Letter of Resignation. And I didn't have an effective date. I know. I kind of was thinking it was that instant. What are you waiting for? Except depending on three years ago. I think he had to be determined. I just didn't know if he complained on... He didn't say. I'm not sure if I'll see him there Wednesday, but I kind of doubt it. Okay. All in favor? And do we need to do anything in regards to the Conservation Commission? I don't think so. She's on... Is it a resignation or is it just a leave-out? Just a leave-out, so she's on a return to be at least. Gotcha. And under any other business we have, the Recreation Department in regards to the trail funding... Yeah. Thatcher. So we... Everybody exchange emails today about that. And I haven't heard back from Thatcher. One of the options for him was to lessen his request for the grant. So, but I haven't heard back from him. So I told him what I would do is come to Select Board and ask the Select Board to earmark $2,000 of the existing dollars in the fund for trails for this grant match. So is that on top of the $5,000 or is that in lieu of the $5,000 or... On top of. So they'd be using the $5,000 that they had talked about last meeting or the meeting for that. And then they're looking at another $2,000 to go for this grant match. Yes, because he calculated this match wrong. I think he didn't... He subtracted the in-kind when he should have added in and based it on that time in his email. See, he's been the one in charge of all of this. Yeah. So it's really, it's not reducing the appropriations, just earmarking that, I mean, that additional money if he needs it for that purpose. Because nobody can spend capital money without Select Board approval. Right. Again, I know that we usually approve the spending, but like we've said before, it's up to the Recreation Committee to manage the plan. So if the plan requires an extra 2,000 of their money to be used towards that, then I'm fine with that. I don't know how the rest of the Board members feel, but... Well, it just comes out of there. Yeah. Yeah, it comes out of there. It comes out of the general fund for a lock of a little term. Yeah, it just comes out. So I don't know if you need a motion now because it's not 100% or... I'll just make a note that we'll just say that the... I mean, usually when you're talking about grant like that, we kind of give a verbal approval. Right, because you normally do. We just, I think by consensus, you can agree that they can earmark 2,000 of the money for that. Yeah. And then, so what we're talking about grant funding, there was the Energy Committee was, remember we still have what we have 7,000? We do, yeah. Match, and did I hear that that's not going to happen now? No, it's still going to happen. What's not going to happen is the car charging situation. Okay, so the car charging one that we were going to have to come up with like $1,200 I think for the car. Right, but then we would have had the whole maintenance on us. So that's gone. We had to charge for electricity. Currently, that's not moving forward because I guess GMP is not doing those type of grants anymore for currently. Well, they're going to install 22 of them out here by the end of state here next year. Yeah, so then it doesn't even seem that we would even need to put one in Bethel if there's going to be some down there. I mean, it just takes up parking and we don't know what the maintenance is going to be because the contract ends up and then we're stuck with it. That worries me, but no. So the only thing left in the budget is the money for the planning study year. Better connections. Better connections, yeah. Okay, all right. And we did find out too, I put the money in the budget for Aldrich and Elliot. I got an estimate from them, not necessarily they would work, but to do the water, the storm water on Avon and Liberty. But I actually ended up just getting something from Peter at Two Rivers. And then I talked to Lady of the State and we're actually going to get in their package. So we may end up with some free engineering out of that. So I'm going to leave the money in there though because we'll make it for something else. But anything else to come before the board? So I have the language if you want it for the executive session. So go ahead. So you would need a motion to go into executive session to discuss the appointment, employment, or evaluation of an employee per one BSA. I don't know if that's, I guess, where's the 32? Whatever, must be in the minutes to get cut out, but per one BSA is fine. I can dock her up later because there is a section. Executive session to approve the employment or hiring? They're just going to discuss, just if you write the time and discuss the employment and who made the motion, I'll put in the wording for you. So move. Second. All in favor? All right. We don't have to do it when you come up. Yep. We can exit executive session. You're up. The list of all bills.