 Today, we are focusing on the rule of law. I must say that before we took public office, we made it very clear as we campaigned that one of our cornerstone programs when we take public office will be to restore the rule of law. We restore the rule of law which got damaged over years, lawlessness became the order of the day. And we committed that upon assumption of office, this will be a critical element for us to bring back normalcy in society, to give citizens their legal rights, to conduct their businesses, but within the law. So today, I'm emphasizing, we as the UP and the New Dawn government is emphasizing that it does not matter what the challenges stand in our way, reinforce the rule of law. It does not matter what challenges we face, it does not matter who is involved, it does not matter what propaganda goes on by whoever. This government will reinforce the rule of law, reinforce, reinforce the rule of law. In its entirety, not partially, but in its entirety, we know the importance of maintaining the rule of law. How else do you govern society if it is not by the rule of law? How else do you assure fairness to society if it is not by or through the rule of law? How do you check excesses of human beings if it is not through the rule of law? And no one is above the law. Once the law is transgressed, it triggers processes that should follow. Any law, not selectively, but holistically, any law that is transgressed, the process is there after trigger. And when that happens, we must not call it by different names. It is simply to observe the rule of law. Let me refer to the airport saga. And I do this knowing that judicial processes may have kicked in already. But I will stay with principles and not interfere with the processes that the country chose will be the way in which we conduct ourselves. I want to start by saying it is necessary to appreciate the work of the law enforcement agencies so far. DEC, the elite organization, ACC, Zambia Police, other agencies that are involved in enforcing the rule of law. I want to appreciate the work done so far. We also want to commend you for the openness. I must admit, we did create a gap in providing information to the public. Because the public need to know what is going on as much as it does not jeopardize the investigations. We don't want to leave a vacuum because a vacuum leads to speculations in windows, unnecessary in windows. But I want to commend SOFA, DEC, and your colleagues for when the issue of what exactly is going on arose. The plan has been released. It's gone. So we all read, we all heard, you took the media there. Transparence. And that was the right thing to do. We should have done it right on Monday. Right on Monday. Today is Friday. We did it on Thursday. Should have been better to have done it on Monday. Maybe Monday was too early, but at least Tuesday. We commend you for taking the media. And by taking the media, any media organization, I believe, was free to go to the airport. The media were shown the plan or plans involved. Others were saying, no, there are three plans. No, there are ten plans. I think the media then, who is basically the transmitter of information for consumption of the public, were able to see for themselves that the number of the plans, I understand these two, are there. But you see how the world works. Just days or hours earlier, people went to the media, again using the media, to say the plans have gone. I myself, I was in Angola and was sent a footage of the plane leaving. Now I don't know which plane was leaving. But how do you kill that story? Transparenly take the media. So, Dirk, we commend you for that. Our advice next time is moving quickly to avoid a vacuum. And then the nation is not entertained to drama, excessive drama, emotional drama. Takes away time, energy from useful applications to negative stuff. Let me be clear here. The incident that occurred at the airport and the attendant locations as crime would be always what you see on the surface could be deeper. But as it were, this crime took place on Zambian soil. On our soils as a country, Zambia, purely in my view as a criminal act. And crimes will always take place where there are human beings. Remember, that's why the laws are created, is to address the transgressions of human beings. And other things. So, to say that there will be no crime in this country when we are fighting crime is an absurdity. There will be crime in this country. The question is how do we address the crime when it's occasioned? That's the question. What is our attitude to crime conducted on taking place in our motherland, our fatherland? The law triggers in. So, I would like to indicate that once that crime took place was noted that it has taken place, systems trigger in. Which law is offended? Who do you arrest? Always arrest people in a civil way as per crime that is committed. And once that was triggered, I do believe arrests were made. You're the media, you are in the know. And when arrests are made, following a crime taking place, there is no reference or recognition of color of the person, nationality of the person. There is no reference to what language they speak. There is no reference to who they are friendly to. There is no reference to where they work. It is simply a person or person that have transgressed the law. And the law, as I say, triggers in its processes. So, I want to assist, encourage citizens of this country, that when a law is broken, let's focus on the criminaries. Let's not focus on other things and start speculating, drawing everybody into it. We will lose sight of what needs to be done. But equally when such a situation arises, citizens, all of us, media, report what is correct. If you are not sure what is correct to report, ask questions. Who do you ask questions? The institution is on the ground. That is important. Then we remain professional. If you read stories that are meant to digress us from the case at hand, you may mislead yourself or misread your readers. And that could lose us the opportunity to broaden the network of criminals that need to be brought on board. Because now you start chasing the wind instead of chasing the real crime and criminals. I was following what was happening back home and I noted that tendons. I know sometimes falsehoods are very juicy and then we run on them. Even us as media platforms, when people come to present, because as I am told, I have seen footage of somebody who went to a radio station and said the plane is gone. The cash is gone. So now when you went there, you found the plane. So how is it that someone was able to do that? Maybe we must be more careful, more responsible. So we feed the nation with the truth. Let me be very clear. Zambia is open for business. I proclaimed to be the chief marketing officer, chief investment officer for this country. I said so during the opposition days. But this must not be confused with this invitation, this environment for investments. Trade, whatever it is, must not be misunderstood to mean that there is a safe haven for criminals. Local criminals who may be wearing a jacket of being civil servants, who may be wearing a jacket of working anywhere, including state tax or the vice president's office. Wearing the jacket of investors, gold traders, that room is not there. That space is not available. And as I said, local, us locals, colleagues in the region, international colleagues who we invite to invest in this country. We are inviting investors, people to do genuine legal business. Anyone who comes on the backdrop of that, and you a journalist knows someone, say something to somebody, report. And the law enforcement agencies, the charter we have is law. That's our charter, it's the law. There is no investor there. There is a criminal. I hope I'm making my point clear. There is no investor there. There is a criminal. And once people are arrested, they have to go to court. The court then triggers, takes over with the support of the law enforcement agencies. With the support of the end of the prosecution now, DPP and others, step in. And I've said before, vice president, we don't want cases taking so long, justice didn't delay it. It's justice denied. Full stop. I want to encourage the public, the people of Zambia. The social media technology is good, but we must check stories. We must not give stories legs to grow when they have no credibility. Because you destroy yourselves along the way, and lose sight of what you need to do. The public, I invite the citizens of Zambia, residents of this country, those who live outside the country, since today we share stories almost real time, to play your part in the fight against corruption. To report any activities you believe are transgressing the law. I think the law enforcement agencies, we need to find genuine and protected hotlines. I want to guide. Provide the public with the genuine and protected hotlines. Or platforms where the public can report what they believe may be transgression of the law. If those platforms are credible, citizens will utilize them. If they are not credible, citizens will shun them. Let's build trust around there. When we do that, we will build society. I know where we are coming from as a country. And that's the reason that we need to fight illegalities, including corruption. I know where we are coming from. You know where we are coming from. You know very well. Crime must be separated from politics. It's another message I'm giving. Let's not politicize everything. On a crime, we smear politics around it. Then we lose sight. Then you take advantage now, whoever, to say let me rub X with the smell of corruption or crime. Let me name call somebody. For political reasons, Vice President, this is my chance now that there's a God's come there. Let me name call somebody who is my political opponent. Within the law enforcement agencies, let me fix my fellow director. Let me name call him or her. And what do you do? You send an anonymous message using platforms. You say, there are so many people involved here. That one and that one and that one, I have evidence. But you have none. What are you doing? You are now misleading the law enforcement agencies from going in the right direction. They start going all over the show. If we allow them to do their work, they will get to that. It's nice to say, check that line. Rather than you say, I have the evidence. I know. Because you want to fix a political opponent. You want to fix a workmate. You want to fix a fellow journalist who will be destroying yourself and society in the process. Absolutely no need to go that way. I know where we're coming from. I understand where we're coming from. And that's why we need to work as a team. And I invite my colleagues in the political parties that please support the fight against corruption, fight against crime. I'm happy for a political person, a member of a political party, civil society to provide leads to the law enforcement agencies. Different from sending a scandalous note to say, I know and have evidence. Now you create a spiral of others setting you up and eventually the criminals escape. And we are left talking politics. There is no need to bring in a civil society identity in the fight against corruption. And I want to invite Transparency International, anyone, please cooperate with the law enforcement agencies. If for sure you know someone in the law enforcement agencies involved and is corrupt, provide information to another agents. All in need to anyone else. You'll believe we'll take it up seriously. As a citizen, we are all available for such conversations. Then we will succeed in fighting crime. Then we will succeed in fighting corruption. I know it's a tough call. I understand because it got embedded in society. It became part of society. And many citizens, even those that may be in the new government, our government, will be aspiring to be what those they saw became flashing cash all over. That's not the culture we want in this country. To pollute the minds of young people. To tell young people you don't have to work in order to earn a good decent life. You just have to do illegal things. We're destroying our children. Again, I look to the law enforcement. Move in quickly. When you get a lead from the public, take it serious. You know how to pursue it. But in fighting crime, I repeat, in fighting corruption, there is no politics. There should be no politics. If a member of any political party engages in crime, any political party, any civil society, any church, you're on your own. You engage in criminality, in corruption, you're on your own. I've said this several times. Is it just words? No. There are cases now where we have removed people from this government, including those appointed by this president. And we have no qualms about that. And we're not tired in taking action. I want to say to the people of Zami, this president, this vice president, these ministers should not tire. To do what is right for the people. Some would say to me, send me a message that, Mr. President, are you not tired of pushing this issue? I said, what do you mean? The day I'm tired is the day that I'm not relevant to society anymore. There's nothing to tire about. I return to reporting transgressions when you first them, when you see them, when you experience them. But report correctly. Because otherwise it would be dogs chasing cats and cats chasing mice and mice chasing grass. And little insects. Then it's confusing. Over the years we've lost the values that we're supposed to live with. Truthfulness. Detesting crime. Detesting corruption. And we're beginning to accommodate these negative vices. This government will not accommodate negative vices. This country should not do that. Let me flip the coin. In fighting corruption, in fighting crime, we should not commit crimes. In fighting corruption, in fighting criminality, we must not commit crimes. So if anyone is palpable, it means there's no one above the law. If you commit crimes or you are corrupt, you can't hide behind a political party. You can't hide behind a church. You can't hide behind a ruling party. You be in there. There's no room for you to hide there. You can't hide anywhere. That's the coin I flipped. So when you transverse in the process of fighting crime or corruption, the law, another law will be triggered. Isn't it? And the process will move on. So don't cry foul, citizens. Don't cry victim. No. Even there, you're on your own. We will work with international law enforcement agencies, continue doing that. Already there's collaboration that's going on. By virtue of my office, I'm aware that there's collaboration going on. Those that voted from the airport, those that ran away, we have invoked already. The institutions have invoked the global network of law enforcers. I've been out for a few days, and I used the opportunity when I was there to talk to my fellow colleagues what was happening at home here in Zambia. And that we needed their support. And invariably, without exception, everyone said the crime in Zambia and it takes a regional dimension, international dimension, it affects all of us. And so I want to encourage law enforcement agencies, invoke those networks. If you are facing problems, talk to us, we'll talk to our colleagues there. You will get the support. Do not be intimidated by the fact that someone is foreign, somebody is powerful. I don't understand when people say, no, no, no. That individual is untouchable, it's powerful. What does that mean? Are you afraid? Are you compromised? If you are afraid, we'll help you to gain courage. If you are compromised, we'll remove you. It's as simple as that. But you have the machinery of government and the global community to help you fight crime. So there is no issue of cross border. Someone has crossed the border. Where have they gone? They have gone to heaven. Only where God is, we can't reach. In today's world, only where God is, we can't reach. Where a human being is, we will reach by a stroke of a phone call. So there's no hiding place. Crime does not pay. Corruption does not pay. Eventually you will damage even your children and your great-grandchildren. The name will be damaged. No one will trust them to do business with their career level, on their foreheads, on their backs. That this one is a child of a corrupt or law breaker. This one is a child of a drug dealer. You have encumbered your children even before you give them a chance to be somebody in society. Let me close by saying, this government will uphold the rule of law. No matter what happens, Vice President, I've whispered to colleagues, since I came in last night, the relevant ones, that what happened at the airport, we commend the law enforcement agencies. We commend citizens that were led. The question is that there could have been situations where planes came like that, transacted and left. It's good that this come has been exposed. But tied to that, I have asked a question myself. How did the other plane taxi you on the runway? What was the communication? Who gave people who went on the runway yellow jackets? That's the question. Where do they work? What systems are there to allow a facilitation? I'm here saying that we will ensure that those two are brought to the table. There's a failure of supervision. While we commend what was done, but there's a failure of supervision there. I'm told there was negotiations for some time. I will not dwell into the facts of the case, because that's not right for me to do. But institutionally, we must check who is responsible for those movements. How did it happen? Which individuals were involved? What role did they play? Everybody will be reached out. And I want to assure the people of Zambia by closing. Criminals will be there. But the environment has changed. The leadership has changed. What you were able to do some time back, you will not be able to do it. You will not be allowed to do it. You are on your own. I want to assure the people of Zambia that we were elected to do what is right. We were elected not to observe and look the other way, see and look the other way. We were elected to do what is right. Let's work as a country to clean up our society. And we should do it without fear. I don't know why people fear things. Many of you fear death. There's only one who controls life. God, he knows when each one of us is going. Even those of you who are afraid, he knows when you are going. So you may still want to be alive, but if God says today is your day, you will go. So are you afraid? Just do your work. Do your work. The rest leave it to God. If some of us were afraid of death, we wouldn't be sitting here as heads of states. I would have probably jumped to another country and ran away. And when colleagues would say, you better move, you'll be killed. I said, what do you mean? You can die in the shower. Enjoying your shower, you fall off and you die. So what are you afraid of? If you are tired of working in your institution, you are a law enforcer, put in a letter, resign. Go, 20 million people, someone else will come and do that work. That's the way it works, to serve the value. So my assurance to the people of Zang, is that crime will be fought. We're going to invest a bit more now. Going forward, looking at the lapses here and there. Including technology will invest a bit more. I think citizens deserve that. They do deserve that. But citizens must know that things have changed and do not let them down. Fear is not what we should live with. The Bible is very clear. Fear nots. Unless it's something, you know, which you are guilty of. If you're not guilty of anything, what is the fearful? Journalists, I want to encourage you to do your work. I want you to do what you were trained to do. That's my encouragement to you. What you were trained to do. To report factually, isn't it? To be professional. To also have a system of counter-checking, isn't it? With social media, you can run a story that leads you into a hole. And into a criminality. Do what you were trained to do. Help society. All of us must help society. Make it better. Focus our attention on the economy. On addressing male-male issues. I will have a session with you to deal with male-male issues. Because I have a team working on that. And it will give you the truth as it is. So let's have a debt on that. But for today, we stay with these issues. Thank you very much. Thank you, Excellents. Thank you, Excellents, for this strong message to our citizens. Through our colleagues in the media. And like you said, yes, indeed, we are arriving late in the night. When I was interacting with a few colleagues outside, they were saying, Are you sure the pleasant is around? We expect him to be, to soon be in Angola for a certain extent. You know, he told us it's normal, party after party. It's work after work. And even after this event, obviously you will still see us somewhere else doing some other works. And what we'll do is in the interest of time, because there are other engagements somewhere else. I think we can, I'll ask a few colleagues in the media for points of clarification around these subjects who may want to ask. You put up your hand, obviously. And then you come over here. I can see a hand already there. You can come. And do you have another person? You can just line up somewhere here. You can come also. So obviously you have your name and where you are coming from. And please, this, the profession, let's stick to the subject. He has already assured us that there will be another session on another theme as we go. Thank you, Kamaji. Good morning, Your Excellency. Yes, my name is Oswat Kafuanka from Prime TV. In your delivery, Mr. President, you talked about issues to do with government creating a platform for citizens to report crime. Yesterday, of course, other platforms and us as Prime TV had been following up the same issue that has been in the media. And a Lusaka businessman was detained. As of last night, he was at Kawata police station. And the lawyers claimed that he was a whistleblower. So my question to you is, what measures is government going to put in place to ensure that these whistleblowers are protected? Thank you. Good morning, Mr. President. Good morning. My name is Mats Aoso, Mokwai Aaya from the Zabinational Broadcasting Corporation. Mr. President, you have spoken that we have started engagement with the international community to fight such crimes. Are you able to speak to some of the specifics of what this collaboration involves? What exactly does it involve? You have noted that we have started collaborating with the international community to fight such crimes. Are you able to speak to some specifics of what exactly does this collaboration involve? Thank you. Got you. That's also. Do you have another person? Yeah. Any other? Okay. I think we can go on. We can tackle these two for now. Thank you, sir. Also, thank you very much for that question. Yes, thank you for that question. I think the platforms are essential. I do know in the past there used to be numbers, just as an example, that ACC will give you a number, publicize that number, DEC will give you a number. The police would give you a number. What I'm suggesting is to recognize that technology has changed. There could be other platforms, other contacts. Remember I said credible contacts, protected contacts. Also, so that when you call that contact, you are protected. When you give the message, you are also able to give you identity in a manner that is confidential. And that identity will not be abused. That then lies the issue of building professionalism in the institutions. Very important to protect whistleblowers. And if there's a weakness in the law around whistleblowers' protection, we should enhance that law. But let's stick with platforms because that was your question. So that's my example. That's the example I'm giving. And when the call or contacts received from the law enforcement agencies is treated in a confidential manner, I don't have to teach or to provide a lecture here. The institutions are there. I think in due course, they will be able to engage with the public to be able to provide what I'm saying. I've only given a suggestion. A businessman was arrested and his lawyers are saying he was a whistleblower. DEC is competent enough. I have trust in the leadership of the DEC and I think U.S. citizens need to give that institution trust. The changes we're making in these institutions should lead us to enhance trust and confidence of these institutions to handle. It matters like that to assess whether this is a whistleblower or not. Is this a whistleblower or not? I will not say much. That competence lies in the institutions that are handling these cases. I don't want to say something to jeopardize the fair treatment of any one of those who have been arrested, any one of the accused. It's not my intention today, but my intention is to say crime will be fought directly, openly, or even when it's smeared with vassal. Sometimes criminals smear you with vassal. More importantly, they give you the most expensive perfume so that the smell changes. That's not for me to determine. It's for the agencies. They are listening. That's a job. I don't send instructions to the agencies. This president doesn't work like us. I was in Angola. I read one of the statements from my colleagues somewhere. Opponents saying, no plane lands without the clearance of the president. Statehouse. I'm sure you saw it, isn't it? Are you a shy now? I'm sure you read that statement where someone emphatically says when that plane landed, it means statehouse. Who do they mean at statehouse? It's me. Maybe it's the vice president. I hope you are aware that the presidency is the vice president's office. It's part of the office of the president. Cabinet office is part of the office of the president. So they could have meant that this presidency here and the people around statehouse or the vice president and the people around her or secretary of the cabinet because that's office of the president in case we're not aware. Or indeed the other offices of the president. Essentially meaning the presidency authorizes. It doesn't work like that. We have civil aviation. In the past maybe it worked like that. Now it doesn't work like that. They are institutions. If you want to call those as the presidents, maybe you're right. But this president, this vice president is not our duty to know who is landing when who is taking off. What are they carrying? No, they're institutions that should be mandated to do that. Please citizens, understand that. Also I want to say to you the presidency doesn't directly get involved in who is landing. What are they carrying? When are they taking off? No, I'm aware in my time in opposition I was not allowed to use the airports. That's gone. Now the airports are viable. The roads are viable. As by law. Remember rule of law again. Airports are public places. But still it does not mean airports must be used for criminal use. I hope you understand me. But this president doesn't get involved. Unless there is a trigger that requires me as command and chief to invoke that. That I'll do. But there's been no opportunity or situation for that. So also let's leave the speculation. Lawyers are speculating. If I say anything I'll be speculating. Let the law enforcement agencies do their job. And as evidence comes out some of these things will shock you. The very people who were pointing a finger or fingers at other people may be the ones that are involved. You got me. Because this thing on Monday was a no state house. This one even started drawing, you know, graphs and maybe because I like graphs they wanted to use graphs as well and pictorial presentations. Maybe that was digression. So also let's wait. Let's wait and see. Everything that goes up comes down, isn't it? That's the law of gravity. Everything that goes up comes down. Man's house. Collaboration with others. Such as what? I'm sure you're aware of an institution called Interpol. You aware of that? That's what I'm talking about. To exchange information, there are protocols that govern exchange of information. Intelligence is another platform. We have to be open and factual about it. Intelligence is another line. Police, Interpol is another. Just to give you a side issue, Vice President, where I went, we got sad to back our citizen to be the head of Interpol. Am I right? Where is the minister? He's there. Man's house also has a small digression. This government has made a decision to promote citizens including you to get international jobs. We will stand behind you. If there is an international press union, which I'm sure there is, isn't it? The same way you collaborate, Aujazira gives you stories. French media gives you stories. BBC gives you stories. That's the same here, security and crime. But the side story I'm giving you, only yesterday we lobbied all the Saudi countries, all of them to support your own brother. I want to tell you the name. As a candidate to take over the leadership of Interpol. Just a side issue. I'm only reinforcing the existence of Interpol. Those are the platforms I'm talking about. By a lot of platforms, this government will have security understandings with neighbors to exchange information. Are you aware that we have brought back into our countries two helicopters? I don't know if the second one has come back. When? In days. That's also. Two helicopters associated with criminality. One has already arrived. I think it arrived a month or so ago. The second one is coming. How were we able to do that? Collaboration. As we are taken into a foreign country, I would have said commend the UPND government. But no, it's our duty. I am sure you are aware that this president has gone out to create stronger relationships with neighboring countries. Are you aware of that? These relationships are brought to bear when we need to invoke them, such as on those two helicopters. Such as this case. That's what I'm saying. That's also. Remember I said, if you are hiding where God is, we can't reach you. But if you are hiding where human beings go, we will reach you. Just like that. So you can't be a criminal here and jump into another country and expect that you have a safe haven. Kulibi. Tikupes. It's a matter of time. Sometimes we know where people are. But we remain civil. Sometimes even here locally, we know they are hiding. The police know. Somebody was not going to court, jumping bell. And the police knew where he was. And I commend the police. Because where he was, it was not necessary to create a story and news around it. My view was that sooner or later they'll come out and they came out. I won't say more. And then the law takes its course. Then you accuse law enforcers and the politicians that they are after me. No. It's the law that is after you. You want the law not to be after you. Don't commit crimes. From previous governments. From this government. I do believe future governments do not commit a crime. Work hard to raise your children. This government will support you. Finish. I think I've answered the two questions. Directive of ceremonies. I've answered the two questions. I'll take the third one if there's any. The last one. Okay. Yep. Madam, there come. Especially from a lady. Yes, indeed. Good afternoon, Mr. President. My name is Rodan Vola from Diamond TV. Mr. President, there has been a sharp reaction from the public on the ongoing God scam. You, as the commanding chief, what steps have you taken to show that there's transparency in the ongoing investigations because some people feel some uniform personnel are not to be trusted. Thank you. I want to believe, coming from a lady, that could be our last question for today. As you have heard, the president will be offering us platforms quite often from now onwards. I think, Mr. President, we can tackle this one. Yes. I'm aware of your other engagements elsewhere. Yes. Then we move. Thank you. Rodan, thank you very much. And I'm glad we encouraged someone else to ask the question, such as the one you have. Rodan, to assure the nation, you, the nation, and the world, Zambia is not a self-heaven for criminality. Zambia is not a self-nation. It's not a hiding place for corruption. No. Zambia is a place to do business. Chenwin business, legal business. Zambia is a country to live in and work hard to protect you legally. Zambia welcomes tourists. I hope, Rodan, you know we have removed visas now for a lot of countries. And you go to Rwangwa now, in Fue, you go to Livingston. The tourist numbers have increased. Talk to two operators, talk to airlines, talk to anybody, vice president. I'm very delighted that the police changes we're making are working already. Occupancies have gone up. More of our young people have employed Rodan. That's what we intend to do. And that's what we're doing. But this country, the flip side of that, this country is not a self-haven for any criminality. Let me go now to your issue. I've set the background. This country, this commander in chief will not allow men and women in uniform to use the badge to commit crime. Let me share something you didn't know. We were having a lot of traffic congestion where senior government officials will stop traffic to give them wear. They were doing that outside the law. I have put my foot down. You may have not paid attention. If you get to see that stuff, talk to somebody. The laws are clear. Who stops traffic if there's an emergency? Who doesn't? So we are basically clamping down Rodan on lawlessness. Sometimes it's not crime, per se. But it becomes criminality, it becomes an offense to the law if we are doing things outside the law. Imagine, imagine. If there's an ambulance, yes. We all know those provisions. But people can't say, I am the minister. Therefore I'm stopping the traffic from moving so I can pass. I've said to these ministers in cabinet, no ladies and gentlemen, you will not do that. You used to see people driving in the opposite direction of the road. I'm sure you remember. Sometimes we forget easily. That was normal in Nusaka. You see that tip somebody. We will not allow that. Whether Rodan comes from a senior government official, a military person, a police officer, correctional service officer, no. All of this is to retain, restore the rule of law. That was the subject today, isn't it? Rule of law. Order. I'm glad you've raised this issue. The law enforcement agents are sitting here. They'll clamp down on anyone. Remember when I began talking, I said, the law does not recognize your dress. Maybe I didn't say the dress, but I said your height, your language, you speak, which chief you come from. And there's a tendency now. When the law breaks the law, they rush to the traditional leader where they come from. No. They come and fume, they go now, go whereop they commit crime. You didn't go to the fume. They committed a crime. Equally, the uniform does not stop anyone, Rodan. It does not exonerate anybody from the law. I hope I'm right. I do know I'm right. There are things that men and women in uniform are allowed to do by law. To any natural as commander in chief, I have delivered that message. And I'm monitoring. After all, the most disciplined people must be men and women in uniform. In society, isn't it? And I have great belief in our commanders. All of them. Army, staff, national service, police, correctional services, other systems. I have every belief. I appointed. If I didn't believe in them, I would have removed them. It's as simple as that. That's the law. So, but they know, they understand and they are professionals. They know what the constitution says. They know what secondary laws say. They know what they are allowed to do, what they are not allowed to do. In the case of images, yes. If there's instables in the country, yes. But the commander in chief will provide the direction. But not anything else. Rodan, I want to encourage you and others here and the citizens to wait and see when this case unfolds. Just wait and see. But to be blunt, Rodan, I think there's some word you're looking for me. If a policeman got involved in this crime, they'll be arrested. If a soldier got involved in this crime, they'll be arrested. I guess the crime you're talking about now. And the other crimes. I must drill it. If someone wearing a cover of a civil service anywhere, including state house, if someone got involved, they'll be arrested. I've extended my answer to your question to reinforce the point that the law is supreme. I know there was lawlessness in this country. I know. You know. But we're working hard to stamp it out. But I must also say to you, Rodan, old habits die hard. People emulate. I want to be like that one. I want to drive a hammer. You want to drive a hammer. Work hard within the law. You drive a hammer because you are breaking the law because you're doing corrupt things. You may never see the day you enjoy the hammer. The hammer will remain outside and you'll be in prison. How does that help you? Some of these aspirations are really sad. We are brought up to work hard. We are brought up to be disciplined. We are brought up in a Christian nation. Where have we lost our values? Who do we believe in as a nation? Teaching our children that you don't have to work, you can drive a hammer. You can drive a Roslois. Without working, without doing that. Certainly, if what you aspire to drive is funded by the taxpayer illegally, the law will catch up with you. It's a matter of time. Thank you very much.